1969 Plymouth Barracuda vs 1970 Pontiac GTO PURE STOCK DRAG RACE - no commentary
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- 1969 Plymouth Barracuda (Cuda 440) drag racing 1970 Pontiac GTO 455.
First car is a 1969 Plymouth Barracuda Cuda 440. The other a 1970 Pontiac GTO. The Plymouth Barracuda has the Cuda package and the rare 440 V8. The Pontiac GTO has the 455 V8. The Cuda 440 was rated 375 horsepower. The GTO 455 was rated 360 horsepower. The Pontiac GTO has a turbo 400 3-speed automatic transmission. The 1969 Barracuda 440 was only available with a TorqueFlite 3-speed automatic transmission. The Plymouth Cuda 440 has a set of 3.91 rear gears. The Pontiac GTO has 3.55 rear gears. The Plymouth Barracuda weighs 3604 pounds including driver. The GTO weighs-in at 4024 pounds with driver. There were only 340 total 1969 Plymouth Barracuda Cuda 440 cars produced. 1986 GTOs were produced in 1970 with a hardtop and the 455 V8. Car Life tested a 1970 Pontiac GTO with a 455 and a 3.55 rear and it ran the 1/4 mile in 14.8 seconds @ 95.94 mph. Muscle Car Review also tested a 1970 GTO 455 and they got 13.5 seconds @ 103.5 mph. Car Life also tested a 1969 Plymouth Barracuda Cuda 440 in June 1969 and it ran 0-60 in 5.6 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 13.89 seconds @ 103.2 mph. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. FAST factory appearing stock tire factory stock.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website: www.psmcdr.com
Also make sure you find them out on Facebook.
The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
Disclaimer: The Cars And Zebras TH-cam channel is a news channel bringing results/news of drag racing with added history of automobiles. All footage/pictures used were either captured by the Cars And Zebras channel, or used for critique purposes under Fair Use.
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I had a '69 Barracuda Formula S, 340, Torqueflite, ran it at the drags a few times in '72, set up for Pure Stock class (exhaust dumps, 4.56 rear, a little tuning, didn't need much else). It won class, but in time trials it also beat two Trans Am 455s, and my wife beat a '70 AAR "Cuda 340 6-pack. AAR driver couldn't believe it, so he came back around, and she beat him again! That's the one car I owned that I've always regretted selling.
The difference in weight was making me think this was how this was going to go. I love me some GTO though, that Cuda is one rare car and a nice specimen. Thanks for another great video! 👍
RACE CAR LOL JUNK WHEN NEW
@@kennieb5606 What?
My Brother had a 1972 Chrysler New Yorker with a 440 4 barrel .that old Boat would get up and run ..love those old 440's
it was THE engine.
there was nothing stronger, tougher or lower cost in perf mill options.
bang for the buck was simply outstanding.
I had a 67 New Yorker 440. I always said there had to be something special about my motor...other 440s couldn't touch it. Years later I read that the 67...and only the 67...had the preferred free flowing heads. Why they didn't continue using them, idk.
I bought a 70 New Yorker 300 for 40 bucks from the impound, you could put eight dead bodies in the trunk and still have room for groceries 😂
Had the privilege to drive my parents 1972 Buick limited. 455 four barrel would gave ya all a try for the fun. That big ol boat sure would float.
I’ll bet the GTO would be a great daily driver. Torque like that is amazing.
Rhine the quadrajet saves on fuel (until the giant secondaries open lol) you don’t feel all that much great response when driving normally but if you just step into it enough for the secondaries to crack open you feel it strong along with a second gear chirp or you slow for a red light but it turns green and you are still doing about ten mph and still in second gear you can get some rubber without getting into the secondaries. My 400 Pontiac would do that too but the torque difference between my 400 and 455 is big. It’s about the difference in my 4th gen Trans Am auto LT1 and my RA III 400 which is big difference. I have a vid of my formula 400 vs a 79 TA ls1 swap... guess who wins lol not the LS 😜
The GTO is the much better daily driver. The 440 in the cuda that year was not a happy marriage. The 340 was the much better choice. Then you could get power steering power brakes and a 4 speed. Put on headers, recurve the distributor and the 340 was just as fast too.
What happened to your commentary? That was some funny stuff. Made the videos even more enjoyable.
LoL .... was just thinking the same thing ...
Yeah I miss it as well.
@@eddieb1408 Ditto
@Tankmaster 160 you must be jealous
Why did you stop doing the commentary and other info. I loved that part of the videos almost as much as cars themselves
I'll take either car. Rare now. 440 in the 'Cuda , ultra rare. Also just a bad fish. Love the old body style. With a Hemi , it's a badass destroyer.
Thanks C&Z. This ‘cuda is one of my faves!
That GTO restoration is impressive
I helped a guy put a built 455 H.O. in a '71 a few years ago. He refuses to take it to a track, but now I know about how fast it SHOULD run!
what happened to the colorful commentary ?
Fantastic video and race, brother! I love the '69 'Cuda 440, a pony car with the biggest engine of 1969. It's not so much impressive in handling but on a drag strip... Wow! Thank you so much for this drag race.
Cuda! Cuda! Cuda! Okay, I would totally take both of them. The GTO is my favorite non-mopar
Casting couch
Yes his commentary was great and entertaining😀 He was getting creative with video production too! He probably had a strike for copyright infringement for using movie clips and old commercials I thought they were really entertaining 🤔if you get 3 they take down your Channel😑I noticed a few other channels I watch got threatened😑 oh well I still like watching! It's just not as entertaining as it was ,but what can you do!
I agree with you. I think TH-cam threatened C&Z, and he got frustrated enough to stop the commentary completely.
Thanks for continuing to post these videos. I love seeing people running their classics. It amazes me these guys get such good launches on those skinny tires.
Back in the day, the starting line of a drag strip was slicker than snot. Some time in the last 2-3 decades starting lines began to be prepped and now they hook very well. I don't go very often, but the last couple times I've been I was just amazed at how good the traction was.
@@herman452 rubber coated launch pad, lol. yeah, w.e they treat them with helps tons, now.
out on a regular rd these 2 cars would've had to walk 'em out a bit more.
@@herman452Thanks for the info. I also suspect the tire "rubber" is a stickier compound.
Please bring back the snarky commentary....
I miss the 4000 pounds fart sound :)
Both are really cool and this one could probably go either way depending on conditions.
Yeah, but the Cuda win was predictable. 15 more HP, better gearing for drag racing, and 400 lbs lighter. I'm a little surprised that the GTO was as competitive as it was, but these cars in this drag racing class are all tweaked, with some being tweaked a little more than others.
I own a green 67 Barracuda 383-S with 3:55 gears. She's getting rebuilt to look stock but internals will be bullish even with stock exhaust manifolds, like these beauties had. Can't wait to get on track and hoping to have similar times. Thanks for sharing. These are great videos and fun to watch these factory american muscle cars in action!!
Where is the commentary that was half the video
Back I'm my teen years mid 1980's .My Dad and I yanked the engine out of my 1972 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser 9 passenger station wagon and dropped it into a 1974 Chevy Spirit of America " 2 door impala ..That 455 Rocket .4 barrel. 400 turbo trans 3:73 rearend made that old Chevy Dance ..Super fast car ...I miss that car
What happened to the commentary? 🤔
I’ll bet both of the cars are tough to launch
on the street, yes..it's not as bad at a drag strip, bc
rubber coated launch area, lol
@Charlie B ahaha! I believe it. ..kind of like our dearly missed movie theater floors :p
Love that 'cuda!!!
Bring Back the commentary, hope you're doing well.
this was an outstanding race!
Gonna have to yank my subscription if we don't get the great commentary back! Please don't make me lie on the floor kicking and screaming!!
Looks like you already are dogg
Stuff like this will put Viagra out of business!!! BTW, liked the GTO 455 option for $57...they drove a hard bargain!
The mopar cars were very fast in the 60s and early 70s.
They were..& they still are, lol.
Leah Pritchett set a world record a yr or two ago for
Team SRT in a Hemi Challenger.
I'd prefer a vintage car, but the new ones have their place.
they were very tough to beat if you were going stock to stock, 340 six pack was a beast on the street m the 340 4bbl was well in the dart and duster!
Beautiful cars. One of the closest matches I’ve seen on your channel.
No power steering available in that Cuda 440 either..... bet that with a big block is fun when parking.
Not much turning unless you are rolling just a little bit. I don't own one but I have driver a big block A body with manual steering.
A small block with power steering, power brakes and A/C would have just as much weight on the front end.
My Dart has a factory 318 and fast ratio 16 to 1 manual steering. It's a bear to park too but drives and handles better than the typical 24 to 1 steering box most of the the grocery getter A bodies got. Rare option only some of the small A body cars got from 67 to 69 as far as I know. I used to one hand it as long as it was moving...
@@herman452 yeah… But then you have power steering. These replies make me want to gouge my eyes out.
@@parodynuts5407 Hah! - you do have a point. The only time, though, I ever really missed power steering was when my 67 Barracuda was still slant six powered and I needed to back up a steep driveway with a small utility trailer hooked up. Even with just a slant up front, I simply could not turn the wheel and look back at the same time. So I converted that car to power steering. Went back to manual when I moved to a place with a level lot, even though by then the Barracuda was 360 powered. Who parallel parks these days, anyway?
What happened to your commentary?
What happened to your voice bro?
I love all old Cars
HAha pampers ad before the video. Fitting for the Pontiac guys.
I miss the other way they would set this up.
Goodday C & Z,
What a great race especially when there is a M Code Cuda.
Second time this Cuda has made an appearance on your channel, & if you remember I specifically requested this Cuda.
Now where is that Oldsmobile in the last video, the green one in the background either W 30 or W 31.
Keep the videos rolling in.
2 beautiful muscle cars for sure.
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I wouldn't mind owning either of those.
I miss the commentary but who are the guys talking about what in the background?
Go with the lighter car 90% of the time, I hate the 308 or 323 gear ratio for racing!
Man my 70 GTO is HEAVY... it is a non AC car, the only options it has are power brakes and steering. It was originally a 400 4 barrel 3 speed manual car. The front bumper alone, without the mounting brackets is 90lbs, that does not help traction. With a mild 455 running only 8.8:1 compression D port heads, a stock converter in a Th400 or 2004R and 2.93 gears it would smoke the 275 60 15 tires no problem at anything under 40mph. With a set of slicks it would spin them but run mid to high 12s at 105mph. Been trying to decide what to do with it when I restore it, its too heavy to race it, I'd rather put a 5 speed with OD in it than put it back to stock. Make it a fun driver/cruiser. If I build a car for the Pure Stock Drags it would be a 71/72 455 HO Formula clone, so it can run pump gas. They won't let me run E85 like I do with my high compression Pontiacs. I'd race my numbers matching 455 HO 72 Formula, but it has every option the original owner could check on the form... so its as heavy as the GTO.
Its fun owning, building, and driving these old cars. I've had the 70 GTO since 1994, the 10th Anniversary TA since 1987, the 67 Cougar since 1982, 72 GTO since 1985, the 65 GTO I got in 2007, but it was a rusted rolling shell, now its my daily driver with an E85 swilling 455 that has 11.5:1 compression thanks to the 67 vintage 400 heads on it. The 72 455 HO Formula came along in 2005, and it needs a full restoration. Have had a 71 Formula 400 rolling shell since 1998, it would be the one I build into an HO clone, its manual everything and no AC. The 71 T37 would be cool with a 455 HO, but like the GTO its heavy. Not enough left of the 68 Firebird to restore it, so the shell is going to be a tube chassis street strip fun toy.
Its strange finding myself being the old guy with all the cool cars I wanted back in the 80s and early 90s, but couldn't find or afford. I can afford to build them, if I buy them as rusted heaps, can't afford to buy them in nice shape. Its a good thing I love doing the work..
Another excellent video, please keep them coming. Great channel. :)
It’s just not the same without the commentary
Then don’t watch? Seems simple.
@@imstandingrightbehindyou9185 thanks for the reply! Glad my observation deserves it 😉
Hey guys, I love your new format. Great detailed information, covering all bases, and 3 races. Thanks. I guess I'll "re-subscribe"
Not a fan of automatics, but this match-up was extremely even. I think the Mopar had the advantage, with a lighter car, a bit more gear, and a better driver. But a 13.5 from the goat is pretty good considering it weighs over 2 ton. I'm sure there's a bit of "tinkering" under the hood. :) Thanks again for your hard work.
No losers here, both beautiful cars
The GOAT!!!!!!!
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C&Z. Please help us keep America funny!
Politically Incorrect!
Please? :D
Thnx
Guys. Get a winner in there. 1970. Buick. GS 455 St.1. Rarely looses. Had 2 Buick s. And races a lot. In late. 70 s and early 80 s.. 510 Torque.....
that GTO is beautiful
I sure hope you get your voice back I miss the cars talking smack to each other justsayin.
A firebird with the Ram Air IV 400 would have that
Week 4 of sending him pictures of my 72 LeMans until we hear from him.
The 1970 GTO with the 455 was kind of a dog.The 400's were actually better, imo..at least for the drags. GTOs were heavy by 1970, and Pontiac didn't have a 455HO until '71...now THAT was a great motor, even with the lower compression, and smog equipment.And then the awesome 455SD in '73 and '74. That Barracuda looked awesome...rare and quick! Thanks for posting.
The 64 gto was heavy and under powered then too
@@robintaylor1490 The 64 GTO was rated 348 HP with the tri-power, and weighed in around 3450 pounds. It was a pretty good power/weight ratio for back in the day....the '65 was bumped to 360HP, with tri power , but the weight remained pretty much the same. The '65 was probably the quickest of the first generation goats....
@@gary9426 check out the 64 sport fury 426 max wedge stage 3 the real first muscle car.
@@robintaylor1490 Yeah, I love the old Mopar muscle as well..I agree...it would be hard for a goat to hang with a Max Wedge back in the day...Pontiac should have dropped a 421 into the goat , instead of the 389...may have leveled the field just a bit, lol. I love all the old Super Stocks from back in the day...the Mopars are my favs..
@@gary9426 exactly
Let me get my baldness inside those cars!!!
That GTO is red. Like all the Pontiac fans’ faces after watching this blowout.
lol
Maybe they need a Big Mac
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........coming in hot.
meh..my 70 is faster than that one, with 2.93 gears and an 8.8:1 compression 455. With the 13:1 heads and E85, it would put a bus length or two on either of those cars. What the owners and drivers of them can do varies a lot. So why get butthurt over it? They ran pretty much the same times, and the GTO is 400lbs heavier, and is much nicer to drive. My 70 has a big swaybar up front and one in the back, so it doesn't wallow in a turn like a chevy. I like how the Chargers my brothers own, and the 70 Cuda I own drive too, the torsion bars do surprisingly well in corners. The 340 in the Cuda can't really compete with any of my Pontiacs though, but it has AC and is that eye searing bright green, dad left it to me last year.
Not sure which one is heavier, the 70 GTO or the 72 Formula 455 HO with every option available. I suppose I should weigh the Formula and find out. Either way, those two are the heaviest cars I own... well maybe the 79 10th Anniversary TA, yeah its portly too. Nice leather seats though, and it really goes around corners well. Fun cars.
@@SweatyFatGuy Those
T/A's do handle good for unmodified car. I had a C3 Corvette and I always thought the Pontiac was quite a bit better.
2 of my favorites
Excellent video
The reason the1969 440 'Cuda was only available with an automatic is that the 440 took up so much room in the A body that shift linkage wouldn't fit.
Nice race for both cars!
Just told my bro to watch your vids, as they are, were, so funny. Hmm, what a, uh, drag.
What happened to the "narrator/announcer"?
My hat is off to the GTO..amazing that both back in the day and here, it can run with a BB Mopar A body. Both ran mid-high 13's when new, depending on the day, the driver, tune etc..same as here, now...so, though my hat off to the GTO..my heart to the 'cuda
Nice vids mate, hope my car can make one of your vids.
What happened to the A/C on the GTO? I bought my all original '63 Grand Prix with 67K miles and fixed the A/C. I hate having a car where everything doesn't work as it should.
Weight killed the Goat!
Factory compression ratio of the 440 is 10.1:1.
Surprised the race was this close..
Mopar or No car. 😈
I still think this series would be way better if they took the reaction times out of the equation. Make it all about the car, not the drivers foot.
Why does it always seem like cars on this dragstrip have traction issues on that right lane?
The Pontiac needs the original steering wheel. I would pick the Barracuda because I had a 70 Judge.
That is the original steering wheel. You could get the formula wheel in 1970.
@@lookielou843 My mistake I owned one and I seen many but I guess not many were ordered with what I call a Firebird wheel.
To think I could have bought a 70 gto for 650 dollars as a high school student. Pretty rusty though. Instead I bought a 73 Chevelle with smashed passinger front fender and messed up door. Same side replaced them both but never got quite right as the frame was slightly bent same price.
Price per pound the GTO is the winner, just doesn't help much when drag racing. 3.55 gears didn't help either, 3.90s would have helped. Both nice cars !
Would have been slower with 3.90s
@@707x-y6s Funny thing is 3.90 is a good all around gear for Pontiacs. Would be even quicker with 4.11 or 4.30 gear. Racing for a top speed some miles down the road, yeah 3.55s would prevail but this is a 1/4 mile so sorry.
@@benkrom2737 HI Ben
You're going the wrong way, 4.11 or 4.33 are way out of the power curve.
That 455 would run out of RPM before the end of the 1/4 mile.
3.31 might be even better.
@@707x-y6s Yeah, Pontiacs aren't the highest reving engines but they're not diesels either. I've been working on Pontiacs since the 455 came out 1970. The they revv higher than you think. Listen to that 455, it sounds more like it's going uphill, not accelerating. Probably already in top gear and just going down the track. 70 GTO was a pretty heavy car. Needs at least 3.90s If it was a RAM AIR IV I'd say 4.56. Listen to that engine, it's struggling/lugging. If it was a BBC I'd want 4.88-5.30s. Should drive a car with 5.30s , it's insane 😳
P.S. Always better to bounce off the top of a powerband than to have to climb all the way through a power band. That takes time and anything that takes time will make you lose. 3rd gear in an automatic back in 70 was a overdrive gear so only having 3.55s the engine doesn't look forward to the next gear especially if it's 3rd in an automatic. That's why most racers use a 2 Spd power glide with a stout final gear 4.11-513s. One less gear to change. Gear change is time spent. 455 stock with emissions and all might have most power at 4,300 rpm but doesn't mean it will stop reving and yeah maybe was down to 300 hp at 4,800 but who cares, it had already done its work and just has to carry you over the line. Nothing worse than hitting Peak at 1500 ft than 1400ft. You've left shit on the table.
miss the commentary bruh. :(
Mopar or no car. Good matchup, but the Mopar won all 3 races.......
White letter tires on GOAT Kool🍒Redline tires on CUDA Dorky but WINNING🔊III[[[[/\/\/☆\/
Why does it seem that everyone has problems with the right lane?
No commentary no watch
Obviously the win goes to the "DRIVER" of the Cuda 440...reaction time, not red lit...
Overall nice race.
Huh! 15.00 quartermile time for the 455 GTO my ass. I always knew that was BS when I saw that stat. Obviously, Chevy's management was filling in as the test drivers for Car and Driver that day.
I’m new to the channel but this comments section is very strange.
Trap speed is the indication of HP.
Missing the narrative and humor. Hope all is well C&Z
Cringe worthy. I’m still right, you’re still wrong.
@@livewire2759 that’s definitely not how channel strikes work. You don’t get one just because someone complains. To me it’s obvious. He just wanted to go back to the original style. Way easier.
@@livewire2759 still not how it works. They can’t give out strikes just because they don’t like the content. Just face it, he went back to his old style. It was bound to happen at some point.
@@parodynuts5407 No, YT can pretty much give out strikes for whatever the hell they want and they don't have to (and rarely do) give any reason for it, other than, "you violated community guidelines".
BUT... it could be that people were complaining and C&Z changed because of that.
@@livewire2759 So let me get this straight… you think that TH-cam, with millions of users, cares about a channel with under 30,000 subscribers? And then took the time to review that channel personally because you suspect there may have been a few complaints? And then they decided to give that channel a strike.... because of toilet jokes? So stupid. And I don’t understand why everybody thinks he did this because people complained, or because something is wrong. It’s very obvious he simply went back to the old style and he’s distancing himself from this channel. And I don’t blame him after looking at the comment section the last year.
400 lbs more heavy the GTO, that's not fair.....☝🏻☝🏻
The GTO needs a driver mod 😊
These commercials are getting out of hand.
the left lane is always better for traction.All the race i see at that track the left lane is better.
Crikey
Bloodeee Hell
Fish ate the goat for lunch.
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The Cuda is a pony car. Should have lined up with a Firebird. The GTO would match better with a Road Runner or Super Bee.
Slowly but surely the "where's the commentary" dummies are being weeded out. Nice.
Finally
Where’s the commentary? Joking, I’m here for the cars. But he could mix it up a bit....
Is it bad to miss the commentary?
So liking cars AND commentary is a problem?
@@WyoCutlass71 an even bigger problem is grown men, like yourself, who act like entitled babies when they don’t get what they want.
Cuda 1 2 3 woot
Classic losing pressure, result RED LIGHT. 0-3
Who wants to chomp down on my Big Mac??
I had a 455 H O 8MPG it had a six pack the hardest thing was changing number 8 spark plug this guy in the gto is slow reacting
6 pack 455????
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Mhmmm, so tasty 🍗
Just like your Yummy Coleslaw !!!
I love when you and Ron comment.. it's like having your 21 herbs and spices on a big ole hot pile of fries, and I'm just slogging them down like a malnourished 6 legged chicken...
Sometimes it was pretty stupid