One great thing about this type of rifle is that they are often available for very little money as they are generally no longer popular. I often see them in gun shops or second hand/pawn shops for as little as $25-$50. That means you can learn to do some basic gunsmithing without risking a substantial investment. You can completely disassemble them, polish and then buff the outer metalwork and then re-blue. If the stock is too short, an extension and/or recoil pad can be added. The stock can be sanded down and refinished. (A classic 'London oil finish is awesome.) The muzzle can be re-crowned for better accuracy. Other than cleaning the trigger, I'd suggest leaving it alone. The triggers on these old .22's are usually just fine anyway. Unless the bore was abused by not being cleaned (or improper use of a cleaning rod) they are usually in good shape. It's hard to 'shoot out' the barrel of a .22 rimfire. So for very little money and a little effort on your part, you can have an excellent and good looking .22, while learning some useful gun craft skills.
You are right Stephen. You can also pick up ones in nice condition that have been looked after and don't need anything doing for a fraction of what you would buy one of the current "boys" rifles like the Savage single shots. May not have an Accutrigger® but old school quality, no plastic and will shoot as well if not better. I just bought a Winchester Model 69 in great condition with original peep sight and magazine for A$250 (about US$180) to go with the 69A you will find in another of my videos.
A lot of early American .22s did not have a serial number including the Winchester 1902, 1904 and the 67. Mine have had a serial number stamped on them subsequently for registration in Australia. The 1904 was already stamped when I got it. The 67 was given to me during the 1996 gun grab and I stamped it myself before registering it. I did it under the fore-end so it is not visible but being take downs it is easily checked so quite legal.
Just picked up a Savage 3C it has the enclosed bolt action area where you can't pull the pit firing pin back it's all encased it has a weaver mount with a weaver scope I believe it's a 40s model got it for $146 so I like the old gun with the old scope on it pretty cool old single shot
Nice vid bud. I've got a hankering to detail and polish up the few I've got. I'm expecting delivery of a 15A Springfield. In addition to a S&W .38 spl. Hand ejector . I've turned away from the newish tactical vein of stuff up here in the states. I prefer character and beautiful utility . The bare feet was a nice touch, comfy presentation. Salutations from the states mate.
Although they were low priced they were assembled by skilled people who had pride in their work. All.metal and wood. Better than machine made ones today.
I have a Savage 3A and it does require the "pull" to manually cock. From speaking with a few who are far more knowledgeable than me - they said that there was a lot of fuzzy crossover features between each model. Letting nothing go to waste, a newer stock might be fitted with an older barrel or a newer barrel could be fitted with a even newer bolt etc. Lots of interchangeable parts - but always a fine machine.
In addition to the models you listed in the video, Winchester also made the Models 67A, 677 and a 9mm rimfire shotgun on this design. The 9mm is more the size of the 1904 than the later full sized rifles. They also made a version of the 67 or 67A with a 20" barrel.
@@456eec model 1 basically the same as the 67 without the safety and shorter barrel. 1a and 1b have the trigger attached to the receiver section. Lithgow museum are researching a book on them at the moment. Will be interested to find out if they ever paid a patent fee for copying the Browning design on all those old Winchesters. Really enjoying your channel.
@@peterlazzari3950 Glad you like the channel. Lots more content is on the way. I know the Lithgows are very much like the old Browning designed Winchesters. The first of that design was the Winchester 1900 designed by John Browning. The 1902 and 1904 were modifications by Winchester of the same basic design. The 1900 was the last Browning design that was purchsed outright by Winchester which means no royalties would have been paid to Browning for any rifles sold. The next model Browning designed for Winchester was the 1905 Auto shotgun but Browning wanted to change to a royalty contract and Winchester refused. Browning walked away and contracted the design to FN in Belgium on a royalty basis who sold it as the Auto 5. They were already making several of his pistol designs. He also contracted to Remington as the Model 11 for the USA market. This was the end of Brownings long association with Winchester and their refusal to negotiate with him must have been one of the worst commercial decisions in history after the great success of all his Winchester rifle designs.
Thanks for that info Richard. It never had one so I assumed that was as it came. Unfortunately Numrich will now no longer send international so I can't get one there. I will have to some research and see how it sits and I might find one that works.
Yes. Mine was given to me and has a bit of pitting on the outside of the barrel but the bore is great. Despite the general primitive design it is one of the most accurate rifles I own. I shoot it regularly in service rifle trainer match as they are on the list of allowed rifles. They were sent to the UK as training rifles under the lend lease program during WWII.
Danger... You need to check sear wear.. Cool 67. I still have mine I got when I was 12,, 44 yrs ago. Notes. Dont pull the extractor / sear back at all to remove the bolt. Just pull the grigger then turn the bolt and it will slide out. ***** Please check the top of extractor / sear for wear on the points. Mine had that same light trigger pull which means the firing pin lock is barely catching on the top of the sear till one day it simply failed and wouldn't lock back at all. This could cause a very bad day for it to unexpectedly fail when you let go thinking it's going to lock back. Take care.
I have a very early one here in Louisiana it's been in the family for 3 now 4 generations it's slightly different than yours. My grandfather paid $13. For it in the 40's.
I still have my Dad's Winchester 67. Fires like it's brand new. My son and grandson will be getting it next.
One great thing about this type of rifle is that they are often available for very little money as they are generally no longer popular. I often see them in gun shops or second hand/pawn shops for as little as $25-$50. That means you can learn to do some basic gunsmithing without risking a substantial investment. You can completely disassemble them, polish and then buff the outer metalwork and then re-blue.
If the stock is too short, an extension and/or recoil pad can be added. The stock can be sanded down and refinished. (A classic 'London oil finish is awesome.) The muzzle can be re-crowned for better accuracy. Other than cleaning the trigger, I'd suggest leaving it alone. The triggers on these old .22's are usually just fine anyway. Unless the bore was abused by not being cleaned (or improper use of a cleaning rod) they are usually in good shape. It's hard to 'shoot out' the barrel of a .22 rimfire.
So for very little money and a little effort on your part, you can have an excellent and good looking .22, while learning some useful gun craft skills.
You are right Stephen. You can also pick up ones in nice condition that have been looked after and don't need anything doing for a fraction of what you would buy one of the current "boys" rifles like the Savage single shots. May not have an Accutrigger® but old school quality, no plastic and will shoot as well if not better. I just bought a Winchester Model 69 in great condition with original peep sight and magazine for A$250 (about US$180) to go with the 69A you will find in another of my videos.
Very informative, I just restored an old Savage 3D, very sturdy rifles. Great video!
Question... does the 1902 have a serial number on it.... if not how can I buy 1???
A lot of early American .22s did not have a serial number including the Winchester 1902, 1904 and the 67. Mine have had a serial number stamped on them subsequently for registration in Australia. The 1904 was already stamped when I got it. The 67 was given to me during the 1996 gun grab and I stamped it myself before registering it. I did it under the fore-end so it is not visible but being take downs it is easily checked so quite legal.
@456eec awesome info thanks
Just picked up a Savage 3C it has the enclosed bolt action area where you can't pull the pit firing pin back it's all encased it has a weaver mount with a weaver scope I believe it's a 40s model got it for $146 so I like the old gun with the old scope on it pretty cool old single shot
love these simple .22s .. timeless
Nice vid bud. I've got a hankering to detail and polish up the few I've got.
I'm expecting delivery of a 15A Springfield. In addition to a
S&W .38 spl. Hand ejector .
I've turned away from the newish tactical vein of stuff up here in the states. I prefer character and beautiful utility . The bare feet was a nice touch, comfy presentation. Salutations from the states mate.
Although they were low priced they were assembled by skilled people who had pride in their work. All.metal and wood. Better than machine made ones today.
I have a Savage 3A and it does require the "pull" to manually cock. From speaking with a few who are far more knowledgeable than me - they said that there was a lot of fuzzy crossover features between each model. Letting nothing go to waste, a newer stock might be fitted with an older barrel or a newer barrel could be fitted with a even newer bolt etc. Lots of interchangeable parts - but always a fine machine.
In addition to the models you listed in the video, Winchester also made the Models 67A, 677 and a 9mm rimfire shotgun on this design. The 9mm is more the size of the 1904 than the later full sized rifles. They also made a version of the 67 or 67A with a 20" barrel.
Great vid. I have a few of these. Think they were really popular here in oz until our Lithgow 1's came out in 1945.
Yes I do want to get a Lithgow for my collection.
@@456eec model 1 basically the same as the 67 without the safety and shorter barrel. 1a and 1b have the trigger attached to the receiver section. Lithgow museum are researching a book on them at the moment. Will be interested to find out if they ever paid a patent fee for copying the Browning design on all those old Winchesters.
Really enjoying your channel.
@@peterlazzari3950 Glad you like the channel. Lots more content is on the way. I know the Lithgows are very much like the old Browning designed Winchesters. The first of that design was the Winchester 1900 designed by John Browning. The 1902 and 1904 were modifications by Winchester of the same basic design. The 1900 was the last Browning design that was purchsed outright by Winchester which means no royalties would have been paid to Browning for any rifles sold. The next model Browning designed for Winchester was the 1905 Auto shotgun but Browning wanted to change to a royalty contract and Winchester refused. Browning walked away and contracted the design to FN in Belgium on a royalty basis who sold it as the Auto 5. They were already making several of his pistol designs. He also contracted to Remington as the Model 11 for the USA market. This was the end of Brownings long association with Winchester and their refusal to negotiate with him must have been one of the worst commercial decisions in history after the great success of all his Winchester rifle designs.
The Winchester mod 67/ 67A is supposed to have a trigger spring. Still available in the US
Numrich Gun Parts Corp. , product # 234020
Thanks for that info Richard. It never had one so I assumed that was as it came. Unfortunately Numrich will now no longer send international so I can't get one there. I will have to some research and see how it sits and I might find one that works.
Great little guns the model 67 winnies , manufacture dates 34-63 odd , yours must be an early 34-35 model with the finger grooves
Yes. Mine was given to me and has a bit of pitting on the outside of the barrel but the bore is great. Despite the general primitive design it is one of the most accurate rifles I own. I shoot it regularly in service rifle trainer match as they are on the list of allowed rifles. They were sent to the UK as training rifles under the lend lease program during WWII.
Danger... You need to check sear wear..
Cool 67. I still have mine I got when I was 12,, 44 yrs ago.
Notes. Dont pull the extractor / sear back at all to remove the bolt. Just pull the grigger then turn the bolt and it will slide out.
***** Please check the top of extractor / sear for wear on the points. Mine had that same light trigger pull which means the firing pin lock is barely catching on the top of the sear till one day it simply failed and wouldn't lock back at all.
This could cause a very bad day for it to unexpectedly fail when you let go thinking it's going to lock back.
Take care.
Acima exelente modelo de rifle
I have a very early one here in Louisiana it's been in the family for 3 now 4 generations it's slightly different than yours. My grandfather paid $13. For it in the 40's.
I have the top one
Same we found it in the basement of our house inside a wall
Halo
❤❤why didn't you put oil n rub the underneath of it was filthy n dry rusty needs oil my laddie boi❤❤❤