@@sebastianpfau1174AP meele is lacking since they are region-locked, but if Ered Luin got a middle-tier strike unit avalible everywhere they would easily be the best dorf nation and infringe on Erebors roster
I don't know, Khazad Dum give them a run for their money. Erebor is the weakest, on that we can agree. However Ered Luin vs Khazad Dum is more of a stylistic difference than a power difference. Ered Luin's Pike and Shot is very strong of course, but is quite annoying to micro to make sure your crossbowmen always have proper line of sight. Khazad Dum's play style is much more straight forward and their superior bulk over Ered Luin does come into play often enough. Also a recruit anywhere tier 3 pike unit vs a slightly stronger but only recruitable in 1 province(and after a lot of effort too) is quite a significant advantage in favor of Khazad Dum. Basically it comes down to how much you value the power of crossbows, which are certainly nice and all but are a bit redundant for Dwarves as their superb siege units fulfil the same role from a longer range and without line of sight issues(catapults) and they still have the reclaimers for some throwing axes. Also they do have some pretty solid regular archers which are much better than the crossbows in skirmish fights, which is where the Dwarves are weakest in as they have no good answer to enemy archers/crossbowmen other than mercenary cavalry or whatever.
@@Augimund think i saw something like that in one of my History books, the basic ideas behind this, is all these Raised pikes, standing like trees increase the chance that arrows get catched and deflected, loosing energy during the process.
@@jordinagel1184 Thats the neat part about rome and medieval total war - it did translate things like that into the game. It also matters if the arrows strike the shield or not. Shooting at the shield flank of a unit is way less effective than back or weapon hand side.
Pikes are more resilient to archers and other missiles because they get a bonus to their missile defence, I believe it's +4. May only be in effect when spear wall is enabled, I'm unsure.
Note, You can Ally back with K and E, right after you accept the rings this will carry over. For the Vaults thing, You will need to send a diplomat to the daweren capatials.
or do the vault script first you will just need to rush to it and rely on merc troops until the other Dwarven faction do send aid or if your smart enough and have enough armies within the area as in within the area of the reinforcement area around it then you dont even need them i had 3 armies on fully ranged one only merc sell swords the other a mix of Dwarven units with a few catapults for long range aid and i held them at the outside of the settlement with massed pikes and by the time my first rank of pikes fell the other armies were in combat and the entire enemy army was in retreat within a few more mins
Ty Augimund 😊 The new crossbowmen general's Bodyguards are Amazing! So hiping and strong. I was playing high elves last week, and Ered Luin accepted the ring. Then, after one turn, they attacked me with heavy late game army... A little bit overpowered.
something I’ve always wondered about regarding DAC pikes is why the majority of them don’t utilize shields? historically most pike style formations used shields until masses firearm deployment. I would submit that putting yourself into the factions in game lore shoes you’d probably have a shield via common sense. plus, I think lore would support shields for pike formations, especially the dwarves who wouldn’t labor under the additional weight.
I believe it is because the engine can't. I could be wrong but a lot of the weird things are caused by the engine rather than a modders choice. It could also be a way to make the pikes at least slight less overpowered. Range units are one of the better ways to counter pikes.
there is a huge bug with the elven assault on thorins halls. The army will do either 1 of 2 things. A) They will sit idly at the gates twidling their thumbs until the timer runs out B) An automatic pop up will say that you have won the battle 3 min into the battle and if you click end battle, the enemy army dies instantly. Its quite lame TBH
on pikes being resistant to arrowfire. it could be a remnant of the original phalanx formation from rome 1. The Macedonian phalanx would have the 4th 5th etc rows have their spears angled. they then blocked a lot of projectiles and arrows that were thrown.
Does the AI Ered Luin build the Great Vaults of Beleriand if they control Buzra Dum and do they get attacked by the Balrog if they do? For that matter do AI factions build other similar buildings like say the Bridge of Tharbad if they can?
I've tried the "pike and shot tactic" by placing the crowssbowmen within the pikemen's formation, but the crossbowmen just fire vertically. I hope somebody could give me an advice other than by flanking the enemy with crowssbowmen as what Galu said, crossbow units require micromanagement. PS. Thank you Augimon for continuing the faction overview, yours is the best by far for version 5.
I like to use inverted V formations with about a half units space at the bottom. The enemy bunches up stuck near the gap, sitting ducks for the crossbows to gun down.
I usually place them so that the first rank of crossbow men are just in front of the first rank of pikemen that way they are covered by the pikes when in spear wall.
whats the difference between each dwarven faction? and what are campaigns like, i like dwarves in most fantasy games and want to start a campaign on this mod but dont know what each faction is about
Erebor is your standard dwarven faction. You have a relatively safe start insofar that you are right next to two allies and pretty far up north (in fact, the only ones to start even further north are the orcs of Gundabad, who will be your main early threat, and Angmar, who is far away). Your roster will be relatively well-rounded (minus the cavalry, of course), with a focus on shielded and shock infantry as well as axe throwers. Khazad-Dûm is more interesting, as it starts as a horde faction near Erebor and has to make its way to eastern Moria, defeating several scripted armies on the way before arriving at the ild dwarf hold itself. Once established, you can ally with the Anduin river folk, Lothlorien, and the High Elves, but will still have to deal with constant incursions by Goblins, Dunlendings, and soon probably Gundabad as well. The roster relies on very solid infantry, in particular shielded infantry. You will have more access to spear units, and have the best dwarven archer unit (as in, specifically using bows). Ered Luin has arguably the safest start of any faction, though as explained in the video you can choose to challenge yourself and attack your neighbors instead by siding with Sauron. It’ll make it a lot harder, but the alternative is fighting Angmar, then perhaps Gundabad, and once that’s done you’ll have more or less run out of enemies. The roster is laid out pretty well in the video, dominated by excellent pikes and crossbows. Hope that helps.
I need some info on the scripts. Is it sure that Bree doesn't participate in the attack anymore? Is it true that getting those two elven and dunedain settlements stops their attacks? Lastly, getting those elven settlements will push the elves to get their defiance stack, does it spawn in Mithlond or Rivendell?
God i want a random start locatino submod! The only thing bothering me with this mod is fighting the same enemies over and over when playing my fav factions
I was hoping the units of Ered Luin would have a much brighter blue to em and seem a bit too de-saturated as they are in this video. But this is still pretty cool.
true, the Argead’s and the Diadochi’s pike formations would progressively angle the rearward / unengaged pikes so that when fully arrayed above the formation and swayed they would knock down many arrows.
Anyone know any strategy for Ered Luin I can't seem to expand much more to attack the enemies they seem to keep spawning with more and more armies and I cant get any rest to replenish my troops its my first time play MTW 2 and this mod.... also any tips on army comp and tactics please any information would help
Expand to the rebel settlements right next to you including Barketta which is a Castle and a good border settlement to have with Angmar. Build your economy early, build all the buff buildings (Stone mason etc) and make Thorins Hall a commercial hub. Trade rights with the High Elves and all the other southern factions will help a lot. By turn 50 you'll be making a lot of money.
@ It’s very annoying to play as a faction that literally doesn’t have any cavalry at all outside of mercenary units. Everything else about the dwarves I love, they just need one or two dwarven mounted units.
pretty sure there is something on that island, as in there's a recovering artifacts script later on where you have to send a spy there? Edit: Maybe that was earlier version like 4.0 or 4.5 can't remember tbh
While playing as Ered Luin, I got a few messages about some relics that can be reclaimed. Can anyone tell me more about this? I am a bit lost now, because after I closed those messages I can't find the information anymore. I remember there was something about reclaiming Narsil by sending an envoy to the Dunedain. Is that still possible after accepting the rings?
You Only get these after accepting the Rings, to get the Dragon-Helm of Dor-Lormin you need to go the westernmost small Island to your west with a Spy I believe it is then you bring the Spy when you get the Ancillary to Thorin's Halls, to get Narsil you need tosend a Diplomat to them and they will refuse you and you need to Kill Aragorn then send a spy to Imladris to get the Sword or if he is already dead then you need to send a Spy to Imladris and wait till you get a Ancillary or Notification.
@@FallenCorp 5.0 has alot of scripts and ive found its way less buggy than previous versions, just alot of flavour. every faction apart of the goblins of moria feel complete
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"You really don't get a whole lot of armour piercing"
Augimund, you silly man, the entire archer complement of Ered Luin are crossbows!
Even if you just look at the melee-units you still have the Labourers, the Firebeards and the Tomb Protectors. Doesn't look like a deficit to me.
@@sebastianpfau1174AP meele is lacking since they are region-locked, but if Ered Luin got a middle-tier strike unit avalible everywhere they would easily be the best dorf nation and infringe on Erebors roster
Ered Luin, easily the best Dwarven faction, and in my top 5 DAC faction.
I ultra destroyed every time, how you managed to conquer stuff against angmar!
Best experience is to accept or reject the rings according to you?
To accept the rings OFC. Othewise it gets too easy
I don't know, Khazad Dum give them a run for their money. Erebor is the weakest, on that we can agree. However Ered Luin vs Khazad Dum is more of a stylistic difference than a power difference. Ered Luin's Pike and Shot is very strong of course, but is quite annoying to micro to make sure your crossbowmen always have proper line of sight. Khazad Dum's play style is much more straight forward and their superior bulk over Ered Luin does come into play often enough. Also a recruit anywhere tier 3 pike unit vs a slightly stronger but only recruitable in 1 province(and after a lot of effort too) is quite a significant advantage in favor of Khazad Dum. Basically it comes down to how much you value the power of crossbows, which are certainly nice and all but are a bit redundant for Dwarves as their superb siege units fulfil the same role from a longer range and without line of sight issues(catapults) and they still have the reclaimers for some throwing axes. Also they do have some pretty solid regular archers which are much better than the crossbows in skirmish fights, which is where the Dwarves are weakest in as they have no good answer to enemy archers/crossbowmen other than mercenary cavalry or whatever.
31:41 there was tests that shows - pikes (still raised) block 30% of arrows. So in TW games they have bonus versus missiles
If you could send a link to the source of that, I would be very interested in checking it out.
@@Augimund think i saw something like that in one of my History books, the basic ideas behind this, is all these Raised pikes, standing like trees increase the chance that arrows get catched and deflected, loosing energy during the process.
@@einfachignorieren6156yeah but that doesn’t necessarily translate into the game
@@Augimund Pikes protect against arrows because the arrows strike the pike, not the unit holding the pike
@@jordinagel1184 Thats the neat part about rome and medieval total war - it did translate things like that into the game. It also matters if the arrows strike the shield or not. Shooting at the shield flank of a unit is way less effective than back or weapon hand side.
Pikes are more resilient to archers and other missiles because they get a bonus to their missile defence, I believe it's +4. May only be in effect when spear wall is enabled, I'm unsure.
Thank you for putting these videos out I look forward to seeing them
Note, You can Ally back with K and E, right after you accept the rings this will carry over. For the Vaults thing, You will need to send a diplomat to the daweren capatials.
or do the vault script first you will just need to rush to it and rely on merc troops until the other Dwarven faction do send aid or if your smart enough and have enough armies within the area as in within the area of the reinforcement area around it then you dont even need them i had 3 armies on fully ranged one only merc sell swords the other a mix of Dwarven units with a few catapults for long range aid and i held them at the outside of the settlement with massed pikes and by the time my first rank of pikes fell the other armies were in combat and the entire enemy army was in retreat within a few more mins
Ty Augimund 😊
The new crossbowmen general's Bodyguards are Amazing! So hiping and strong.
I was playing high elves last week, and Ered Luin accepted the ring. Then, after one turn, they attacked me with heavy late game army... A little bit overpowered.
Man i love these overviews so much
Would love to see a unit dedicated to thorin Oakenshield. Like Oakenshield warriors or something like that!
I think the Renown Trait gives you a public Order Bonus in Cities
And affects bodyguard numbers. Very minor benefits though...
Ngl Im not a huge fan of Dwarves (or EL's starting position), but this overview's gotten me very hyped. Gonna give their campaign a go!
The rings they get are a huge money buff.
something I’ve always wondered about regarding DAC pikes is why the majority of them don’t utilize shields? historically most pike style formations used shields until masses firearm deployment. I would submit that putting yourself into the factions in game lore shoes you’d probably have a shield via common sense. plus, I think lore would support shields for pike formations, especially the dwarves who wouldn’t labor under the additional weight.
I believe it is because the engine can't. I could be wrong but a lot of the weird things are caused by the engine rather than a modders choice. It could also be a way to make the pikes at least slight less overpowered. Range units are one of the better ways to counter pikes.
You forgot the lindar marines in the unit overview in the end
Well done, M8. Thank you.
there is a huge bug with the elven assault on thorins halls. The army will do either 1 of 2 things.
A) They will sit idly at the gates twidling their thumbs until the timer runs out
B) An automatic pop up will say that you have won the battle 3 min into the battle and if you click end battle, the enemy army dies instantly. Its quite lame TBH
on pikes being resistant to arrowfire. it could be a remnant of the original phalanx formation from rome 1. The Macedonian phalanx would have the 4th 5th etc rows have their spears angled. they then blocked a lot of projectiles and arrows that were thrown.
Does the AI Ered Luin build the Great Vaults of Beleriand if they control Buzra Dum and do they get attacked by the Balrog if they do? For that matter do AI factions build other similar buildings like say the Bridge of Tharbad if they can?
I've tried the "pike and shot tactic" by placing the crowssbowmen within the pikemen's formation, but the crossbowmen just fire vertically.
I hope somebody could give me an advice other than by flanking the enemy with crowssbowmen as what Galu said, crossbow units require micromanagement.
PS. Thank you Augimon for continuing the faction overview, yours is the best by far for version 5.
I like to use inverted V formations with about a half units space at the bottom. The enemy bunches up stuck near the gap, sitting ducks for the crossbows to gun down.
Chevrons, checkerboards, weird spacing with terrain. You can't use literal pike and shot but there's many variants.
I usually place them so that the first rank of crossbow men are just in front of the first rank of pikemen that way they are covered by the pikes when in spear wall.
@@feelingpine9123 Oh I havn't tried that yet. Thank your for that inverted : advice.
@@karacox6979 Indeed, thank you.
whats the difference between each dwarven faction? and what are campaigns like, i like dwarves in most fantasy games and want to start a campaign on this mod but dont know what each faction is about
Erebor is your standard dwarven faction. You have a relatively safe start insofar that you are right next to two allies and pretty far up north (in fact, the only ones to start even further north are the orcs of Gundabad, who will be your main early threat, and Angmar, who is far away). Your roster will be relatively well-rounded (minus the cavalry, of course), with a focus on shielded and shock infantry as well as axe throwers.
Khazad-Dûm is more interesting, as it starts as a horde faction near Erebor and has to make its way to eastern Moria, defeating several scripted armies on the way before arriving at the ild dwarf hold itself. Once established, you can ally with the Anduin river folk, Lothlorien, and the High Elves, but will still have to deal with constant incursions by Goblins, Dunlendings, and soon probably Gundabad as well. The roster relies on very solid infantry, in particular shielded infantry. You will have more access to spear units, and have the best dwarven archer unit (as in, specifically using bows).
Ered Luin has arguably the safest start of any faction, though as explained in the video you can choose to challenge yourself and attack your neighbors instead by siding with Sauron. It’ll make it a lot harder, but the alternative is fighting Angmar, then perhaps Gundabad, and once that’s done you’ll have more or less run out of enemies. The roster is laid out pretty well in the video, dominated by excellent pikes and crossbows.
Hope that helps.
@@jordinagel1184 or as Ered Luin just take the entire map just betray the other evil forces after taking the rings
How do you activate the assistance from Erebor/Khazad-dum for retaking Buzra-dum?
I just took my FE, I’m assuming that’s what you got, good luck man!
I need some info on the scripts. Is it sure that Bree doesn't participate in the attack anymore? Is it true that getting those two elven and dunedain settlements stops their attacks? Lastly, getting those elven settlements will push the elves to get their defiance stack, does it spawn in Mithlond or Rivendell?
Ered luin Is my second favourite dwarven faction after erebor especially when you choose to Go bad 😊
God i want a random start locatino submod! The only thing bothering me with this mod is fighting the same enemies over and over when playing my fav factions
I was hoping the units of Ered Luin would have a much brighter blue to em and seem a bit too de-saturated as they are in this video.
But this is still pretty cool.
Pikes protect against arrows because the arrows strike the pike, not the unit holding the pike
true, the Argead’s and the Diadochi’s pike formations would progressively angle the rearward / unengaged pikes so that when fully arrayed above the formation and swayed they would knock down many arrows.
Anyone know any strategy for Ered Luin I can't seem to expand much more to attack the enemies they seem to keep spawning with more and more armies and I cant get any rest to replenish my troops its my first time play MTW 2 and this mod.... also any tips on army comp and tactics please any information would help
Expand to the rebel settlements right next to you including Barketta which is a Castle and a good border settlement to have with Angmar.
Build your economy early, build all the buff buildings (Stone mason etc) and make Thorins Hall a commercial hub.
Trade rights with the High Elves and all the other southern factions will help a lot.
By turn 50 you'll be making a lot of money.
Would love to see a dwarven faction get a mountain goat Calvary unit to fill that void of no cavalry
No, not lore accurate. Same as elk cavalry for elves. Just no.
@ It’s very annoying to play as a faction that literally doesn’t have any cavalry at all outside of mercenary units. Everything else about the dwarves I love, they just need one or two dwarven mounted units.
pretty sure there is something on that island, as in there's a recovering artifacts script later on where you have to send a spy there?
Edit: Maybe that was earlier version like 4.0 or 4.5 can't remember tbh
Chivalry raises the troop moral.
Command idk xD i think autoresolve results
Honestly think moral is affected by command stars.
While playing as Ered Luin, I got a few messages about some relics that can be reclaimed. Can anyone tell me more about this? I am a bit lost now, because after I closed those messages I can't find the information anymore. I remember there was something about reclaiming Narsil by sending an envoy to the Dunedain. Is that still possible after accepting the rings?
You Only get these after accepting the Rings, to get the Dragon-Helm of Dor-Lormin you need to go the westernmost small Island to your west with a Spy I believe it is then you bring the Spy when you get the Ancillary to Thorin's Halls, to get Narsil you need tosend a Diplomat to them and they will refuse you and you need to Kill Aragorn then send a spy to Imladris to get the Sword or if he is already dead then you need to send a Spy to Imladris and wait till you get a Ancillary or Notification.
Say, Agimund, what does "Buzra" mean? Most know that "dûm" is mansion/s
Reviews are great but man give us some fight on the end, wait for a minute or two so we enjoy it. 😅
Okay, I will do that for the following factions!
@@Augimund thank you, we will follow you gladly
Good video.
When's release? from an old v0.45 player
V5 beta is out
@@Blooticus Been playing Ago 2.0, much difference or wait for full release?
@@FallenCorp 5.0 has alot of scripts and ive found its way less buggy than previous versions, just alot of flavour. every faction apart of the goblins of moria feel complete
Huge changes in the middlemen factions
The full version of Version 5 is now available! :)
When does v5 come out?
V5 Beta is out
Any idea when V5 non beta is available?
Can any of the dwarf factions rebuild the vaults?
Good question. I am fairly certain it is only for Ered Luin, but it would make sense if they all had the option.
@@Augimund thanks, love the videos, keep them coming!
Vaults?
no only Ered Luin can