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Satoru is a complex individual. He is normally seen to be nonchalant and playful towards his students, close colleagues, and friends. However, he is unsympathetic and cruel towards sorcerer executives, an example being his blatant disrespect towards Principal Gakuganji, and his enemies.
Satoru is extremely confident in his abilities and reputation as a powerful sorcerer, believing himself to be invincible. His opinion of others often only go as far as his judgement of their strength, and he is quite apathetic towards anyone he deems weak. Additionally, greatly influenced by his own desire for power, he is very arrogant. He is convinced that he is the strongest in the world, which he technically is, claiming, during his fight with Toji Fushiguro, that "throughout the Heavens and earth, he alone is the honored one." This can be further exemplified when he was tasked with protecting Riko Amanai, one of the few 'weak' people he genuinely grew to show compassion for. However, any empathy of her death was soon negated by his extensive amount of pride and arrogance after perfecting his reverse cursed technique in his following battle against Toji Fushiguro.
During intense battles, Satoru is seen to occasionally fall into a frenzied fighting state, urged by his determination for victory and undeniable proof that he alone is the strongest. His combative style is characterized by his aggressive and domineering attacks, while flaunting his mastered techniques to his opponents. Furthermore, in a crisis, he is capable of being cold-blooded. He will prioritize his enemies' destruction over saving innocent people when he believes that the sacrifice is unavoidable. However, this only extends to the people killed by his opponent; he will not do any lasting harm to or kill anyone innocent to gain the upper hand.
Nevertheless, despite his haughtiness and strength, Satoru is more human than he first appears. After defeating Toji, Satoru retrieved Riko's corpse with a sorrowful look, showing that albeit his recent conceited victory temporarily clouding his feelings, he still felt some grief over her death. He sought to kill the Star Religious members that were laughing over Riko's death, though was stopped by Suguru Geto -- who he relied on as a moral compass at that time -- before taking any action. Furthermore, Satoru was later left visibly horrified and panicked after learning that Suguru, his one and only best friend, had become a murderous curse user. Satoru attempted to reason with his friend, but eventually realized and accepted that he lost the one person he truly saw as an equal. After having to put an end to Suguru before more calamity arose, it was Satoru's trauma over losing his best friend that caused his ultimate downfall in Shibuya. He was also distraught when Yuji seemingly died.
Yes, he is. It took a legendary tag team to take him down. It wasn’t one on one.
@@alchene321lmao it's Tru. Gojo wooped sukuna. And no I'm not giving this video the time of day, bringing up such a stupid question
Honestly I think you’re right but with a lot of doubts. Once Sukuna reveals his other powers. We can come to that conclusion.
@@alchene321 thanks for your input. Now read the comment again.
@@zaneh31 I doubt it. Gojo had to worry about saving Megumis body, defeating Mahuraga and Sukuna and lost because Mahuraga is BROKEN. lol.
current sukuna slams badly, u cant hold the title if their is another character much stronger than u
common misconception sukuna hasn’t been living for 1000 years like kenjaku he “died” and became a cursed object(the fingers) 1000 years ago and has been that way until chapter 1 when he incarnated inside yuji
But sukuna does say “the light feels better in the flesh” when yuji eats the first finger and transform, which at least hints to sukuna having some sentience while on finger form
@@jose72705 Oh yes he absolutely does. While they're a cursed object, curses and sorcerers are in their innate domain and they can do pretty much anything they want in there (hence why Choso was so skilled with his ct although he didn't have any combat experience whatsoever)
@chair7890 yeah but we also know that curses have eaten the fingers so he could have some form of control or sense of something through that
I'm pretty sure he just "died" of old age because I don't see anyone killing him or getting sick from any poison/viruses and I doubt he would game end himself at the time of his life
@@SayShelo He didn't literally die. He made a binding vow with Kenjaku (the conditions of this vow are unknown, as far as I remember) to become a cursed object and be reincarnated some time in the future, like the other incarnated sorcerers in the culling game.
Calling him FraudJo is insane when he’s still no.1 - no.2 in the verse rn. Put some respect on him.😂 The reason he lost in both scenarios were Batman levels of prep time. The way to beat Gojo was simply just to strategize around his well rounded kit and both of them had tools to assist in the matter.
batman prep time 😂😂😂
fact
goatkuna>>>
@@Roberto-fg9oj More like Fraudkuna
No, just no, he lost cuz he is not the strongest.
It's funny how the fandom switched sides when the narrative changes
Yeah it's almost like they can't see into the future.
😤....I had been with sukuna's agenda from day 1
@@nirbanjyotidas5828I've been simping him far longer than yorozu & uraume combined
Always on Gojos side . No matter the L
@@nirbanjyotidas5828stayed strong through weeks of clowning. Always team sukuna
This fight wasn’t that simple, Gojo played strong and Sukuna played smart, pure strength and skill goes to Gojo and pure strategy goes to Sukuna, exactly how he won
Indeed. It is what it is
I mean to be fair gojo was sealed while sukuna was still prepping. He was kinda forced to just fight them off rip
@@Mori13011no, gojo took a whole month off to train lol. Also, he was only sealed for 16 days.
bruh sukana survived both two hollow purples and infinity void, if that isn’t plot armor idk what is.
@@treyexists for real Gojo most powerful attack or DE by limitless technique with six eyes
Gojo could've won but his mentality was the thing that separates him from Sukuna.
Sukuna only has love for himself and does not care for bonds/connections like Gojo nor Kashimo, he lives for himself and does whatever he wants. Sukuna doesn't care about fairness or love as he even openly states in the fight of the two strongest that it isn't a 2v1 but a 3v1.
Sukuna has that drive to continue growing stronger but Gojo never wanted to be *the strongest.*
In his youth he valued Geto his best friend the most and would call them together as the strongest, after Gojo's awakening things fell apart and Gojo started to feel even more isolated than what he already was feeling especially as Geto fell into his own despair.
Gojo instead of focusing on growing stronger instead focused on those around him growing stronger than even him, Yuta, Yuji, Megumi and more were all in Gojo's wish to surpass him. In JJK the theme that goes with needing to be the strongest is to be entirely selfish, Sukuna even states this to Jogo in his final moments that instead of the love for his fellow curses and the yearning for the worlds love Jogo should've burnt it all away to reach the levels of the strongest. However Jogo couldn't and that's why he died like he did.
Gojo wasn't supposed to win by actually killing Sukuna, he'll win because unlike Sukuna he put his focus on those around him over his own strength.
gojo will comeback to rescue megumi
Honestly yea although sukuna was stronger if gojo had grown up with the same mindset, or in the same time period with the same mindset, he definitely could've become stronger.
Just imagining gojo with access to things like an open domain, and more knowledge of rct, the black box thing, further improving upon his ce reinforcement. He would've definitely been able to.
For better or worse he instead like u said started focusing on other people. On top of getting complacent with his abilities.
@@jinkazama6510not to be rude but this is copium.
Mindset means absolutely nothing in this fight idk what you're on
@@sleepyking4558but when he is fighting toji he says that a good thing about being part of a famous clan is that he has all the books and secrets of the family tecniqes.
But is also true that gojo was born the strongest unlikel sukuna so if he would have taraind harder and having a more selfish mindset he would probably had become stronger than sukuna
(Sorry if my English sucks)
I would like the author's input on Gojo vs Sukuna without the Ten Shadows and inhabiting a body where he can shift things that would affect him to another body/soul. They are both prodigies, and Sukuna had more abilities to use in their fight, but I'm truly curious as to how Sukuna deals with Limitless without Mahoraga specifically.
The attack that he used to killed Gojo was something he learned from Mahoraga and Gojo withstood Sukuna's Domain Expansion multiple times, where Sukuna shifted the effects of Infinite Void to Megumi.
I can understand that Sukuna + Megumi + Mahoraga + Agito and other Shadows would defeat really anybody, including Gojo. But I'm curious to the result of Just Gojo vs Just Sukuna. It felt like Sukuna, nor anyone else in the series ever intended to fight Gojo "alone" (which is smart), but Gojo never intended to fight anybody with assistance.
For instance, on the flip side, if Gojo (had the capability to and) used Ten Shadows (especially Mahoraga) and an extra soul to offload attacks onto, would the fandom think Gojo proved himself stronger than Sukuna? Honest questions.
Gege had Gojo say he would’ve lost to Sukuna even if he had his original body, but I personally don’t see how that’s possible because Sukuna original body gives him more arms and another mouth to chant and do hand signs while he fights to boost or strengthen himself which I feel wouldn’t be enough to defeat Gojo. We also haven’t seen his cursed technique yet which I’m sure he would use if he didn’t have Megumis 10 shadows, so that could be the push he needs but we don’t know.
Why hiean sukuna low mid diff's fraudjo, adressing some of the discourse...
1.“Sukuna almost killed by UV and hot saved by mahoraga🤓"
Reasons why this argument is invalid is because if sukuna wanted he could have easily avoided the entire situation.Chp 228 Gojo states sukuna had the option to destroy UV from inside when gojo flipped the internal and external conditions of his domain,but sukuna intentionally chose a riskier option.
Secondly sukuna couldn't use either DA or his own ct during the 3 min domain clashes so he was practically fighting on just ce reinforcement while gojo could use everything he has.
Megumi taking hits from UV was irrelevant to sukuna as he himself was never getting hit and megumi never took the damage for sukuna.This is stated in chp 230 when narrator states both MS and UV sure hit effect canceled each other out but since UV hits everyone that isn't gojo or touching him amd megumi and sukuna coexisted in the same body megumi took the damage, sukuna perfectly placed the wheel during that time.
2.“Sukuna would never get past infinity without mahroaga🤓"
Another garbo arguement which needed to be addressed.Sukuna simply doesn't have to get by infinity to kill gojo he could have easily won the domain clashes if he wanted to.
The reason why sukuna even got hit by UV in the first place was cause he was damaged inside the 3 min domain fight which wouldn't be possible without him not using DA.Sukuna if never used the wheel could simply destroy the domain quicker according to gojo statement and end the fight early.
3.“If sukuna could have won with any other method he would used that and not try get past infinity🤓"
No shi* bro read the manga, chp 230 when sukuna thinks he had a guaranteed dub over gojo still says he will enclose the barrier of his domain so gojo couldn't escape and adapt to his infinfiin the meantimeWhy do yout think he will say he will adapt to infinity when domains provide sure hit?Its was always his first priority to adapt to infinity first then kill him
@@Goatkuna236 What need is there to adapt to infinity just kill gojo and his clan. No more six eyes and no infinity.
@@cmelikethat Too boring to do that
@@Goatkuna236 Gojo cant even be dead in the story no matter what. We havent seen his "special trainnig." We havent seen him tell megumi about his father, we havent seen him foster a new gen that isnt megumi. Gojo has rct and even if you say cursed energy is in the belly so he couldnt use rct just retcon it.
29:07 if anything it proved Kusakabe was wrong. The fact that Yuta didn't go in to handle the shikigamis allowed Sukuna to learn from Mahoraga how to bypass infinity.
Actually no. Just simply no. Kusakabe was absolutely right. Gojo has mobility and offensive options he cannot use when Yuta is in the way. You act like Sukuna would split his forces when the more likely outcome is Sukuna just tries to kill Yuta while Gojo tries desperately to help him. Sukuna has extreme mobility because of his shadow walking, he can just walk into Yuta's shadow and then kill him. Yuta would be nothing but a liability and would either die immediately, or force Gojo into putting all his effort into protecting him.
Moreover, even if he did jump in, are you forgetting Uraume? Uraume would jump Yuta the moment he got close as they were already there when Kashimo arrived to drop in his cursed tool.
exactly. Sukuna had henchmen with him basically, while Gojo was fending off everyone at once. If it wasnt for Megumi's body i dont think sukuna would have won. Im also in the camp that Gojo may come back to life. lol so take it however
@@NaciooicaNsukuna prolly still wouldve won due to yorozu’s gift(of his heian incarnation) cuz during the domain clashes he never used megumis 10 shadows till the very end, so what if instead of using mahoraga he used the item to incarnate into his heian era self.
doing this most likely rejuvenated him and made him stronger than he was when he clashed with gojo which would allow him to put gojo into another domain while gojo cant counter
i could be wrong but this is just my opinion
@@kuledud5853Yorozu's gift was just a cursed tool.
@@kuledud5853 that one i never actually considered. He wouldn't be able to bypass his infinity as he did without mahoraga, but he could've rejuvinated himself so as to use another domain expansion. Then Gojo did indeed lose "fair and square" even though nothing about that battle was fair
Now what if Gojo also had the same level of experience as sukuna. He was alive for many centuries whereas Gojo isn't even 30 years old. With the 6 eyes, he could grow exponentially compared to sukuna.
sukuna was sealed for centuries, he wasn't alive for centuries, remember he is human too so he must be around the same age bracket as he doesnt have a ct tht allows him to live tht long
@@SWEEN_PRODUCTIONZhe also lived as a curse thi
Well hard to speculate and form an argument with thay
@@SWEEN_PRODUCTIONZdude sukuna has never died. He’s been inside his innate technique this whole time. Well his soul has never died. He continued to live through all the curses his fingers have passed through and so he more than likely accumulated at the very least a few centuries worth of full lives out of those 1000 years.
@@SWEEN_PRODUCTIONZand also sukuna knew all of gojo’s techniques from being inside yuuji and now megumi. Whereas nobody knows about sukuna’s techniques. Basically sukuna came in with a plan based on all the parameters he knew. Gojo came in with hope and a lot of cockiness.
Gojo is still the strongest individual in the JJK verse despite dying. Don’t forget that it took *BOTH* Mahoraga and Sukuna working together to defeat Gojo. On their own it would not have been possible. Gojo defeated Mahoraga in the fight using Hollow Purple, and without Mahoraga’s help, it wouldn’t have been possible for Sukuna to copy the Infinity Adapted Space Slicing Cleave that broke through Gojo’s infinity and killed him. And even then Gojo almost beat Sukuna. Individually neither of them stood a chance against him in a 1v1, and together they still almost fumbled the bag. Sukuna could not have defeated Gojo with his own abilities, he needed to copy a God-like being who had an op ability capable of neutralizing Gojo’s natural ability.
Nuh uh
He absolutely is. Next question.
Well if Goatjo had the 10 shadows technique as well it would have been different ( since 10 shadows is Megumi's and not Sukuna's ). If Goatjo summoned Mahoraga and tag team'ed Sukuna, I think his domain would get expanded automatically. Like for a manga that is heavily inspired by Bleach, where honor in fights and fair 1v1 duels stands above winning or losing, we get to see a lot of jumping and 2v1s type of battle, which while I do think they are interesting and sometimes funny, it just makes moments like the Sukuna vs Goatjo fight worse imo.
Gojo is the strongest in his era honestly I don’t really think the is any other sorcerer that has lived apart from sukuna that could kill gojo, sukuna is more of an anomaly among anomalies with a body built for jujutsu and a mind greater than others. Gojo is also just as talented and smart as said gojo can do anything he tried, at some point I’m sure gojo stopped trying to be stronger because he had already reached a point others could never and just wanted to meet someone stronger than him if and this is an if gojo had lived long and continued to make himself grow stronger and stronger the is the possibility that he might have involved beyond human because even among the six eyes users I doubt any user reached the heights of awakened gojo or maybe even and might even been on the same level as pre awakened gojo as we were told the past six eyes users died while going up against mahoragas but gojo was a said to be able to destroy mahoraga in a single attack if he got the right opportunity but going up against the king of curses while he protects a monster like mahoraga and using two different cursed techniques is something others can’t even last 2 seconds against so yes he is the honored one but sukuna is just an anomaly in the jujutsu world he practically is the definition of jujutsu but even gojo was able to do him enough damage to the point where he had to revert to his original form gojo might not be stronger but he was probably the second strongest sorcerer in all of history
Your statement about gojo wanting to meet someone stronger than him clearly doesn't make sense. He always wanted to remain the strongest and stay untouchable which is why he destroyed the inverted spear of heaven and the black rope as it was a genuine threat to him. He didn't want to die a boring death tho
@@sammitmenon that’s because the are cursed tools, the is a difference with fighting someone with them and someone just using pure jujutsu. That’s why gojo died feeling happy that he fought sukuna and he was sad that sukuna didn’t get to show him everything, if gojo did want to stay on top he would have died with regrets like not being able to beat sukuna but he clearly said he enjoyed it, it’s the same for sukuna when your strong and no one else can match up to you to start looking for people that are even stronger so you can have a better time
@@choolwe5564 sukuna is not looking for anyone stronger than him. All he wants to do is eat humans and play with them till he dies. He has accepted his fate as the strongest.
@@sammitmenon sukuna still said he enjoys fighting others he doesn’t just want to sit and do absolutely nothing
@@choolwe5564 All he said was that he eats when he wants to, plays with anyone interesting and kills someone if they're annoying. He doesn't look to challenge himself by fighting others, as he doesn't look to others for satisfying himself. Yet he mercilessly kills anyone that challenges him as that is his way of acknowledging others. All of this was said in chapter 238
Gojo is too strong that gege himself has pain to write the story and gege has to pull the off-screen technique on him
He's still the strongest guys
Copium lmao
@@JustCallMe_Tonk nope. dude got packed up immediately when his infinity chan wasnt there to bail him
The ofscreen death is sukuna mo he did same with jogo and kashimo
tht makes a lot of sense when gege just gave sukuna a power boost making him infinitely stronger than gojo
Gojo dogwalked the strongest in history + a cursed technique that killed the previous limitless + six eyes user.
He is the strongest.
If the situation was flipped and Sukuna had to fight Gojo with six eyes + limitless + ten shadows, do you think he could win?
No way.
Gojo is the strongest, Sukuna just had mad prep. This is not ragging on Sukuna, his cunning + strength makes him great to watch. But when it comes to both fighting on even ground, Gojo takes it 6/10 times.
everyone who ive debated gojo vs sukuna never ever won, gojo is the strongest period
@@Valorisgoated Agreed
Honestly, i don't understand people who always want the hero to win every single fight. This is why plot armor exist.
Look how people are losing their minds that Gojo is dead. Like bruh who cares, he was cocky & paid the ultimate price for it. More creators of manga are too afraid to kill off their hero characters.
But that's why I loge jujutsu kaisen so much, cause anybody can die & a lot of the main cast is dying off. Which makes sense cause who they fighting against is no joke at all.
I hate it when they hype a villain up in a anime & then he can't kill anybody at all.
Like look at demon slayer & my hero academia. They hyped those final bosses up Like absolutely crazy. All for one wasn't able to kill a single high school student at alllllllllllllllll.
Muzan couldn't kill any of those demon slayers at the very end at allllllllllllllllllllll. Shiz even his upper moon demons put on a better performance then he did. But they still barely got 1 kill with upper 2, & then upper 1 I think he killed two slayers.
But it's like alllll that damn hype for what??????? For these major villains to barely be able to take down 1 or 2 characters that barely got any screen time in the first damn place. Smh.
This is why I like jujutsu kaisen, sukuna is actually living up to his title of "the king of curses" & we didn't even have to wait till the very end to see him kill off some characters. & what I like even more is that he killed people on both sides. & took down the supposedly strongest of that Era.
Nothing but respect to sukuna, he said he was going to kill & he followed through on it.
But now look at the back lash, everybody crying cause poor gojo is dead. Smh. This is why so many popular anime always protect the shiz out their main cast. Cause the fans don't want a realistic story. They just want to see a story where evil exist, but loses to the forces of good. Smh. Thus plot armor was made to protect the main character always & to protect the main cast.
Me personally I hate plot armor so much. If the main character gone lose, then let that mo fo lose. I feel like it's a reality check to show the viewers that this villain is actually strong & not just all talk Like 98% of all these other Shonen anime villains are.
@@Valorisgoated lmao , okay debate with me sukuna >>> gojo
@@astro3260 sure, lets debate heiankuna vs gojo first
I still don’t think Sakuna beats Gojo without Megumi’s body. That was the only way he was able to counter limitless and damage him that fatally.
if sukuna went to defeat mahoraga without the body of megumi he would've died due to the sword of extermination used by maho
@@MothGuy69that's not true at all? sukuna ain't a curse
DE and DA counter limitless. Sukuna out performed gojo in DE. Re read the fight with a more analytical mindset and not just the pov of gojo. Sukuna hindered himself during two of those domain clashes and yet gojo couldn’t deal significant damage. Out of the 5 domain clashes Sukuna was rly the more powerful one considering the context given. Gojo going all out while sukuna was hindering himself tryna prep his plan during battle
@@IdontlikeWhytepeoplesukuna nerfed himself limiting to only one technique but in that state without megumi's soul he would have died with Unlimited void and without mahoraga he would have lost afterwards
We dont know if sukuna with all technique in the first clash of domains would have killed gojo regardless
@@arturartur1327 that’s not what I’m talking about, the limit I’m referring to is during the first 3 domain clashes. He played it risky and gojo pointed that out. I can go into detail if you’d like but he’s winning with or without maho. Gojo himself said it. Also maho wasn’t a deciding factor in the fight, he help sukuna elevate his technique but that’s just about it.
Gojo survived Sukuna's domain while being effected by it. Out sped Sukuna and fired a Red in his face ending the domain. This happened 2 other times I believe it was or presumably happened due to the damage we see on Sukunas face that he was healing after the miniature domain clash. The moment Sukuna got hit by Unlimited Void it would've been over if not for Mahoraga. Sukuna only got the killing blow because of Mahoraga showing him how. Which I'm still confused how a cut like that killed Gojo when we see Hakari in almost the same situation with only half of his torso left but I'm not going to get into that.
Sukuna may have won without Mahoraga if he didn't get caught by Unlimited Void and he just fully reincarnated and got a full heal. If that means casting his domain again then Gojo may lose but his output was almost at normal levels I do believe around the time of the Unlimited Hollow blast from the multiple black flashes he had hit. So it could've been about the same as the other clashes. Unless you would think the boost in power from hand signs and chants Sukuna would get from his true form is great enough to over power any attempt Gojo would make at attacking him.
So removing Mahoraga from the equation gives Gojo a exponential boost in chance of winning. Having him go up against a Hein era Sukuna out of the blue would mean Sukuna would lose but it would be a high-dif fight.
Its actually the exact opposite. Mahoraga being there is what gave Gojo a chance in the first place. Sukuna was intentionally taking risks and exposing himself to damage to speed up mahoraga. If not for that, he would have targeted Gojo's barrier from the inside and broke that one faster, Thus, Gojo never gets the advantage there. Without that, Gojo would never get the extra damage on Sukuna to be .01 seconds faster with his domain expansion, so Sukuna never gets his brain damaged, and Gojo would then be killed after his 5th domain attempt
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Smoothbrain take 😂😂😂😂😂
Sukuna's 1st agenda is literally improve his CT and make it able to pierce infinity via Mahoraga, killing Gojo is just Secondary, which is why he risked himself by tanking damage numerous times just so Mahoraga can adapt to Limitless faster.
Smoothbrain.
@@fg009letyrds8 Gojo is the only one alive at the time who can use infinity so learning how to bypass it serves no advantage to him outside of fighting Gojo. You're the only smooth brain here if you think sukuna heian form beats Gojo without mahoraga's adaptability
@@vengeance7731 Imagine not knowing that Domain Amplification exists, nor not knowing that Sukuna could have killed Gojo in their DE clash as said by Gojo himself, smoothbrained shiteater. Also Cutting the World is definitely a powerful powerup for Sukuna's Slashes, you're just an utterly smoothbrained R3t@rd to not see that.
If i could change 2 things from the fight i’d show gojo struggling in his fight with sukuna maybe a line of dialogue that demonstrates it or him not smiling anymore, and then second thing i’d add is a panel at the very end of someone being shocked or sukuna smiling. The outcome of the fight was expected by just about everyone in the fandom but the execution could’ve been done better
What? There is a panel though? Ots after the DEs he starts to bleed amd kneels no longer smiling while Sukuna clowns on him. He looks defeated but then Sukuna bleeds too and he suddenly gets hyped up and confident again. I suggest reading the manga again, seriously.
@@SemekiIzuio but for majority of the fight he looks like he’s having fun sure there are moments when he’s caught off guard but he goes right back around to dominating he doesn’t look like struggling at all even against mahoraga. He cut off his arm but rather than panic he proceeds to kick even more ass destroying Agito while his arm is missing. In the end even when he got caught off guard it didn’t matter i get it he’s gojo but he’s fighting sukuna it should’ve looked like sukuna was a challenge for him but it didn’t
@@LongChongSilver he was what are you talking about, he even reminisces the last time he was pushed to his limits which was Toji. Its Gojo, he even says he is having fun and enjoying himself. Im p sure he didn't fear dying either if it meant he would have a fight of his life as he mentioned in 236 he did the best he could against Sukuna, gave it his all and he was happy dying fighting as he wanted to rather then sickness or old age.
Im not sure if you understand Gojo as a character or didnt read the manga... there were quite a few inner dialogue in which he question Sukuna actions and his confidence faulted a bit, ofc though Gojo being Gojo doesnt think about defeat his confidence and arrogance wouldnt allow that, he was constantly adapting finding ways to counter Sukuna and Maho by being creative with his CT Black Flashes and his shrink DE. When his arm gets cut off he is surprised by it but coming from Maho and not Sukuna naturally he didnt see it as a threat because he didnt think it was possible for Sukuna to mimic that same attack applying to his own and in one single time. He gave it his all and even says this, I dont get why you think Sukuna didnt push him? Like I mentioned the last time he felt that was against Toji and then hes smiling like crazy because he is enjoying the thrill, again he isnt scared of dying and he is a state of mind not having any regrets if he does die, he is fighting for his own selfish validation. Think of Yuuta v Geto, Yuuta was fighting for his own existence. Gojo is no different and that meant fighting with his all and not caring about anything else not even dying.
@@SemekiIzuiofacts, he was looking at the floor like “did I just get mid diffed? No f-ing way.” Then sakuna bleed and he was happy as can be lmao.
@@Blackjesus327 yes I freaking love that moment and the clowning begins even Sukuna was talking s hahha my favorite version of Gojo along side his teen self.
Jjk fans will watch a man lose the battle for the title of strongest and then say he's still stronger because the other guy prepped
The at the same time say toji is stronger then pre awakening gojo dispite him also prepping and using a stolen weapon
The other guy prepped? How does that even matter? It was gojo who wanted an extra month so they both had equal prep time. Also the only thing we see sukuna doing in that 1 month was lazing around and eating the fingers that uraume brought to him whereas gojo was undergoing "special training" Based on his experience in the prison realm
@@sammitmenonwearing a sukuna pfp and glazing gojo, I don't really get what Ur trying to say here. It's like fans are trying to complain about sukuna for going all out. Gojo was born with a talent and a gifted child while sukuna was the unwanted child and he made himself go to the top ranks and eventually sliced gojo earning the strongest.
@@islamistheway7338 where tf was I glazing gojo? Your reading comprehension is shit. All I said is that gojo fans should shout their mouth and not talk about sukuna having prep time. Also it's not confirmed if sukuna was born the strongest or he became the strongest. All he said is that I was born a cursed wretched child, which does not reveal anything
@@islamistheway7338bro Sukuna was born with the literal PERFECT BODY as stated by Kashimo, greater than Toji’s, and 2 extra mouths and arms which apparently the most busted thing you can have in the JJK verse as per the narrator
Lotta hard work there huh? It was just so easy for Gojo that he simply had to die and lose all of his friends to become the strongest, everything was gifted to Gojo frfr
@@metallicarequiem2936 gojo casually getting gifted with the most diabolical and atrocious defence ever. Sukuna could definitely defeat gojo in heian era form. Totally without mahoraga he could defeat gojo. Not a lotta work right for sukuna? He didn't need to learn any of the slashing technique he was gifted right? Nu uh my bou sukuna ain't like that
Gojo is so strong that the strongest sorcerer from the golden age had to kill him
That's a feat he should be proud of. Love both of them. Gojo shows how being written OP done right and Sukuna just being a top 3 villain in all of manga/anime of all time imo
@@GothamThotSlayergojo is op done right and sukuna is evil done right
Now that is a statement I agree with. "It takes a Goat to kill a Goat"~Tom Brady🗿
And he was Still holding off a 3v1
@@CujohX holding off one enemy with one cursed technique
Heian era form sukuna destroys GOJO, boy gojo is the strongest in his mind.
1. Sukuna would just decrease his Domain range to increase his Ct output (stated in chap 228 by yuta) and then change conditions of MS strenghting outside surehit(by removing inside surehit) then increase surehit on outside again by 120% with chants(MS is the DE and the surehit is the CT /C&D, which C&D can be boosted by its chants, allowing MS to have stronger surehit installed also gojo surehit is different from blue & red and doesn't have chants unlike C&D that have chants😧) thus gojo basketball size DE is breaking long before the 3min and sukuna would win cuz gojo brain would fry & rct would be lowered which = dead gojo and sukuna getting hit by UV wouldn't happen .
2. Also stated by gojo in chap 228 ,sukuna took the riskier option to get rid of gojo domain and this was because he wanted more time to adapt and gojo mention he could attack from the inside which is true cuz 1. since sukuna would focus on inside he would cancel out gojo surehit with his own then use 20f fire arrow to destroy gojo domain on the inside since it now weaker and even mahoraga with pure strenght alone DESTROYED gojo on the inside,NOT convince how about two 20f fire arrow boosted by chants(120%) to gojo domain which is now weaker inside !!bro would instantly rip through it like what he did to gojo DE in 1st domain clash. Also just a single 20f fire arrow scales to purple in DC as 15f fire arrow was already nuking the city and mahoraga punch or sword cut isn't scaling to 20f sukuna fire arrow but it still break gojo domain on the inside. gojo brain would fry & low RCT output= death to MS - thus mid diffing gojo. GOJO BASICALLY ADMITTED by mistake in chap 228 THAT HE ONLY MADE IT IN 3MINS CUZ SUKUNA TOOK LONGER ROUTE TO BREAK UV 😂😂& TURN OFF DA (stated in chap 229 by sukuna)TO BUY TIME TO ADAPT.
Cool head canon, sadly for you it's untrue
@@senjusan6359Nice rebuttal. I liked the way you deconstructed his points one by one and proved him wrong.
head cannon and yapping, and you said destroys ok buddy its still about the same difficulty it took meguna if he even wins he also cant switch gojos domain effects to megumi cant break his domain cant have a space cut and his 4 arms arent just gonna make him be so much more superior in hand to hand
Knowing Gege’s hating ass this is true, he might even have Gojo glaze Heian Sukuna MID FIGHT like that farmer killing bum Kashimo
As long as Gege is writing, never bet on Gojo 😂
@@metallicarequiem2936sukuna>gojo
I know sukuna won and all. And to be fair it’s well deserved seeing all the work he put in to get the W. But it’s important to keep some things into perspective. Gojo is definitely stronger than sukuna in hand to hand and domain clashes. That’s why he was so damn cocky to begin with. He legitimately knew and believed if it only came down to hand to hand and cursed energy manipulation, he would have likely won. That’s why he never panicked the whole fight. His fatal mistake was to believe Sukuna would not have been able to breach infinity. Basically, he underestimated Sukuna and jujutsu in general. So for people saying sukuna wasn’t serious and only wanted to learn a new technique… just no. Narratively that doesn’t even make sense. Gojo was stronger and would probably be stronger than even hiean era sukuna when it comes to hand to hand and domains and stuff. Sukuna just has too many shady techniques that would most likely give him the W no matter what.
Anime fans are just weird, the author will say one thing,the characters themselves will say one thing but you guys will come to your own conclusions anyway.
I would say that is heian era sukuna had ten shadows or even mahoraga alone then gojo while putting up a fight would have just about 0 chance
Sukuna literally has a superior Domain Expansion than Gojo lol, it was quite literally shown.
Gojo has a better sure-hit, but in a clash, Malevolent Shrine will always win.
Gojo's only option was to put up his Domain before Sukuna's to avoid a direct clash, otherwise he would've lost again.
And no, Sukuna with 4 arms and a much bigger Physique is definitely better in H2H than Gojo, lets not start trolling.
@@ThatsCrazy482 so sukuna didnt transfer all the sure hits to megumi’s soul to avoid getting smoked? Gojo didn’t encapsulate sukuna’s barrier into the size of a basketball? Gojo himself said his domain is much stronger than sukuna’s… say whatever you want. The recent chapters only prove that without mahoraga, and his one time rct thing, sukuna would have most likely lost that fight.
@@diadiecisse3089 Sukuna already had Infinite Void broken down and was touching Gojo to avoid the effects
Yes and how many times did UV break? Gojo was only able to damage Sukuna becasue Sukuna was using Domain expansion, Domain Amplification, and took risks by letting Mahoraga adapt.
When did Gojo say his Domain was better? Give me the chapter, because if his was better, it wouldnt have been breaking down every single time.
No recent chapters prove that, the Gojo sucking is insane and Im a Gojo fan ☠️☠️
Am i tripping or did Gojo loose to Sukuna, why is this even a question?
Was it sukuna in his own body without mahoraga help ? Think more before aggressively typing atuff
@@Frenchy78ify First of all how that aggressive? Second of all mahoraga wasn’t just helping, Sukuna tamed mahoraga with his on strength along with the other 10 shadows. I wasn’t talking about him in his hein state form, i was talking about him when he fought Gojo the previous strongest character.
@@walnutstudio502 yeah cool story, it's not obvious at all, gojo also lost to toji. He would have beaten him in a more fortunate situation which he did vety easily later obviously. No its not fucking obvious who is the strongest. Sukuna beat gojo in megumis body with mahoragas help, that's it.
Oh and kenjaku also beat gojo right ? Lets not talk about his very calculated plan and all hia friends to help him. But lets say kenjaku is stronger than gojo also right ?
@@walnutstudio502maybe next time dont act like a very interesting question that demands analysis and objectivity shouldn't be asked. You remins me of people who screams fake at evrry video and tell other people theyre dumb not to see it.
@@Frenchy78ify Personally i don’t think it’s a very interesting question that demands analysis because Gojo literally says that Sukuna is stronger than him even without megumis body in chapter 236. Also calm down it’s just a japenese comic book. Maybe drink some water milk is also a good alternative that helps me cool down when I’m mad. Working out also gets the job. It could be weight training, jogging, or even some yoga stretches. I’m not trying to troll you or anything these are some things that actually help when your angry take it from your uhhh big bro figure father figure might be stretch.
It’s just the plot that facilitates Sukuna being way stronger
If you took Sukuna as himself (not reincarnated) but as his 4 arms 2 faces form at his peak strength, and put him up against gojo, gojo claps him easily
It’s the plot that makes it possible for Sukuna to regenerate and use mahoraga
Edit: nice how when you follow how the fight went and all the plot points you’re said to be gojo glazing but when you say Sukuna is just powerful it ain’t Sukuna glazing💀
How can you say that ? You gojo fans are the worst
Kid even without ten shadows gojo said sukuna prob would of adapted his technique to infinity it’s just sukuna didn’t use all his strength and let’s not forget the fact that sukuna didn’t try to beat him he tried to beat his infinity not something of a problem for sukuna more of a little fun challenge
@@Either_0 go read the manga again blud sukuna clearly says he used mahoraga’s model to bypass infinity which he couldn’t have done otherwise. In the current story through the plot Sukuna is obviously portrayed as stronger, but if gojo were to fight a regular true form Sukuna without mahoraga he’d win
Heian form easily destroys gojo and he won't even need to bypass infinity because he can kill him by just amplification and domain expansion
It’s honestly impressive how disillusioned y’all are with reality
sukuna would have one shotted gojo If he could have, he'd have loved to considering how much gojos arrogance pissed him off. he played the battle the way he did because that was the only way to win, he knew the other strategies would not have worked
I'd say Gojo was the strongest character in Jujutsu Kaisen UP UNTIL Chapter 234 of the manga.
Now he's easily the second strongest and no one else (at the time of this comment) come close right now 😅
Nah, he was never stronger than Heian Sukuna
@@filthyvibes4768 You have no way to prove that. Besides, this is just my opinion. Gege never really gives a definitive answer, and I interpret that lack of an answer to say that, without 10 Shadows, the fight could go either way
@@GenZVallYes there is a way to prove that....Sukuna's Heian Form and the advantages he has in it plus Gojo's doubt in 236. Sukuna if he had his Heian Form would've won off the DE clashes.
@@GenZVallit can be argued that it’s still highly in sukuna’s favor more so than gojo, for instance:
Gojo would’ve lost every DE if he wasn’t a better h2h combatant. But 237-238 showed us sukuna in his heian body is probably the ultimate h2h combatant. Gojo’s advantage in the h2h would be taken away, at the very least it’s highly unlikely gojo would cause enough damage to force a DE collapse, resulting in UV never landing, gojo capping out at 5 DE’s again, and sukuna still being able to open his.
It is still an ambiguous arguement I will give you that.
@@saucekay6793the hand to hand doesn’t even matter. True form sakuna can chant at all times because of the extra hands and mouth. So his slashes are buffed to 130%. Meaning that gojos mini domain expansion doesn’t last the 3 minutes that he needed to damage sakuna. So he will loose every domain clash, it’s not even debatable as that is such a massive advantage. So he never lands unlimited void, and when he bleeds from the nose, sakuna talks all that trash and kills gojo. No bleeding for the eyes, no malfunctioning shrine. Just a mid diff fight.
Gojo is obviously the strongest. Sukuna needed to inhabit Megumi, use Mahoraga and that abomination thing, and he STILL barely cleared 😂😂😂 be serious Gojo still the top
It's all in the fact that Gege had to off-screen Gojo. Not only was that a massive kick in the teeth for fans of course, but also because Gege created a character he literally couldn't kill any other way except to do some dumb bullshit.
just terrible writing is what it is. honestly it's not that deep, gege created the strongest who literally had sukuna on the ropes and then realised "shit i dont want him alive" and killed him in the most hamfisted and unrealistic way possible
"shit writing" but you don't realise every sukuna fight ended in an offscreen.You hate this fight because your not able to understand it just make an effort before spitting shit@@lukastace3154
gojo is for me not that well written legit he past developped more geto than him but he death very fit him and add a lot to he character. But yeah before he was not that well written of a character@bruhbruh8892
The off-screened one. Cant blame him tho. I wanted my fav char to win but he simply wasnt strong enough to beat Author, I meant Mahoraga, Maho is one eyed cat, and if you wonder where that one eye is I reassure you its in the same place Plotkuna pulled his “world slash” out of.
Another seething smoothbrained Go/jotroon clown spotted 😂😂😂😂😂😂
watch the video again
@@astro3260 or you can read my comment again before replying?
@@aashas8553 I see plotkuna , "Cant win from author" lmao
"Without any special conditions", Sukuna now has to use world slash with 3 arms because of the binding vow he did to catch gojo off guard, also his heian era form would be useless anywhere before mahoraga slashing gojos arm because he wouldnt be able to use the world slash therefore wouldnt be able to hit gojo
Finally somebody who understands that to be special grade you have to be able to solo a country
For
Sukuna and Gojo
With Sukuna's DE or unlimited hollow purple by Gojo
I feel like its just weird how everyway we assume Gojo is just worse is always based of speculation from previous events.
And honestly, were used to seeing the good guys win. Sukuna winning is just kind weird. Gojo losing is also kinda just weird. I feel like it should have been a much more balanced fight. Gojo could just die but the weighs were way too tipped imo atleast from what the manga was showing...
And honestly, im just wondering how can the story keep going. A literally unbeatable Sukuna and a bunch of characters that have yet to have received any sort of indication they would be better and can beat Sukuna. One after another, all of them just die because Sukuna wants to dominate the world. Its just not really the way I would want this story to go on. Maybe for Gege it is exactly how its supposed to play out but oh well it is what it is
Gojo always wanted his students to eventually surpass him.
But if we look at the current context I have a feeling Takaba will become the new Gojo
......oh please god no.
This has been shown multiple times but there will not be a next Gojo, there will not be “the honored one” again because the whole point of JJK is for the new gen to all be on that level together
That would be wild af ngl 😂
nah I'd win
Oh gosh... this would just... no! 😅
My question is, if cursed spirits became stronger because his birth set an imbalance of power, now that he's dead are cursed spirits going to become weaker now
again, its mathermatically impossible to cut gojo. what? did sukuna get an attack that has infinite speed and can cut an infinite ammount of space just because he watched mahoraga do it? all of that is bullshit, the explanations of "he aimed behind him" and "deleted the space he was occupying" are utterly bullshit asspulls, gojo is infinitely far away from any attack, so the bullshit starts already at mahoraga "adapting to infinity", if it was something related to the inverted spear of heaven it would be perfect, but no, gege thought he was einstein and just made himself look dumb, im not mad that gojo died, im just mad that gege thought that any of this made any sense.
if sukuna regenerated to his true form to fight gojo (which idk why gege didnt do) then yeah whatever domain expansions and domain amplification and shit fine he wins, but why did gege kill gojo like this i just dont understand
anyway please read the whole thing with an open mind and not in denial if you want to debate
I think Gojo is the strongest but Sakuna is the best. Gojo has absolute hax and raw power and Sakuna knew that and is smart and skilled enough to come up with a strategy to get around it. It’s also worth noting Sakuna seemed to have more in the tank and Gojo admits Sakuna didn’t go all out, he powered up after for his fight Vs Kashimo, I think Sakuna wanted to find a way around Infinity just for future use in case anyone with a similar technique comes along.
Hax maybe because of six eyes. But raw power? Lmao hahaha
There is nothing funny actually.
Blue Punches is the most damaging move that black out Yuta,Hakari,Uraume,and even Sukuna(with Black flash tho) and that's strongest characters of the Verse. Red was so strong,that literally weakest form of Red was enough to launch Toji on big distance AFTER being canceled by inverted Spear of heaven.
Purple...
I need to say something when even Sukuna was scared of it?
sukunas only plan was to adapt to inifinty and make his technique stronger. killing gojo was second lmao gojotard@@purplecat4582
Keep coping lol
Gojo is actually stronger if Sukuna had no Mahoraga and its not even a debate 😂
gojo disagrees
Nahbruh stop coping
Unless I'm missing something, Sekuna couldn't get through Limitless without "learning" it from maho. That alone means he had no chance of winning without it, how could he be in no danger if he cant kill the guy he's fighting?
Yes you are missing alot of things. Sukuna could easily counter limitless without Maho
@@astro3260 Then why didn't he?
@@Dredan143 if you read manga he did. Earlier maho was not summoned sukuna was DA to do it
@@astro3260 Cool, how?
@@Dredan143 lmao i just wrote da cant read?
I do think his death was executed poorly but it makes sense in retrospect, sukuna could only cut through limitlesss because of maho although Sukuna was scheming and knew how to defeat him Gojo isn’t the strongest but he’s definitely the second strongest until proven otherwise tho
I mean sort of? Maybe I'm the only person who thinks this but Sukuna probably could've figured out how to cut Gojo without Mahoraga. He needed/ used the model but the alternative would've been just trying/ spaming cuts while thinking about the rule set of Gojo's infinity. Like Sukuna's only/ main weakness was being in Yuji who was very underdeveloped as a sorcerer. I think we put too much faith in the 10 shaddows for Sukuna cause he's taking people's bodies. But tbh he's fighting with none of his original tactics, his original body had 4 arms and 2 mouthes for a reason.
Sukuna has a goal ( to improve his technique which he had achieved)....if not for that he would have gone all out with his true form , black box , curse tool and others.....
Sakuna come in fight with 2 life & left with one now so you can guess who is the strongest also gojo is faster & strength wise strongest character in jjk
@@Darekiller47the strongest is the one who one. Stop this BS
@@Darekiller47but gojo came in with one life left with zero so far they are 1 and 1 by your logic.
Go/jo is still alright. Still as a corpse.
He got jumped by the 2nd strongest character in the verse, with a damage sponge, 3rd strongest being in the verse (arguably) and one of the strongest techniques, AND HE STILL ALMOST KILLED SUKUNA!
Rewatch the fight and listen to Sukuna
He got dethroned sure but Sukuna’s super duper special magic cut that severs the universe… yeah a bit of a stretch imo.
Wasn't a stretch at all. Certainly no more than a barrier of infinite space that isn't actually infinite space because if it was it would create all sorts of problems, but a simulated infinite space via cursed energy.
I'd like to see how they kill sukuna now
sukuna beat gojo the same way gojo beat toji. A moment of enlightenment where he transcended the usage of his own technique to achieve something the opponent didn't even know was possible
Why are Sukuna fans so toxic? They're never chill
Alone, yes I think Gojo is the strongest, remember Sukuna had to play his cards right, in reality if Sukuna went full in his original form he might have lost without the help of Mahoraga, Sukuna knew that with the limitless and six eyes he had to play right to get those out of the way, otherwise he might end up losing, once those were out of the way, that's when he played his reverse uno card,so yes I think in terms of default Techniques Gojo has the upperhand but Sukuna is Wiser, to be dubbed as the strongest in history means you must not just be the strongest physically but also must 8:36 be the most cunning.
The heck I mean still people think he's strongest I mean are the living under rocks are still in the shock that gyattjo died
did bro say tojis compared to 3 finger sukuna.. jogo is like 8-9 fingers and toji SLAMS jogo he has to be like 11-13 fingers
9 fingers was overestimated a little bit thats why jogo was shock when he fought 15 fingers sukuna because he thought sukuna would be stronger than him by only 50% which wasn't the case obviously
Gojo is strong, but we can all agree that Sukuna is just stronger, don't get triggered and accept the fact already, 3v1? take note that Gojo attacked Sukuna first with 200% hollow purple with the help of others, stop defending Gojo Satoru and just accept the fact that he's defeated by the Strongest Sorcerer in History
Tbh Sukuna had to have another body, technique, and soul just to be able to come up with a plan to beat gojo, without 10s and an insta heal Sukuna loses.
Nope
It’s obvious he’s not the strongest why make a video about it 💀
He is still in his own timeline
No
@@dark_knight719 Literally no one in his generation could beat him
@dark_knight719 Gojo is literally one the strongest of all time. No one else besides Sukuna can do anything to him. The only reason Sukuna won is because he had a strategy going into this battle. Gojo didnt
@@zerobalance4027cope with whatever u want
@zerobalance4027 hahahaahah gojo didn't he's to cocky that why he got slice up he is truly the halfone
The only thing abundantly clear, is that it took Gege to kill Gojo. Because there was literally nothing that could kill him. Gojo can’t die if his brain is still in tact. Wait nvm he can be sliced and killed the end! Bruh make it make sense.
For those wondering, wanna know how Sukuna would have beat Gojo without Mahoraga? Easy: Go back to the point where Gojo failed at casting his domain expasion. If Sukuna didnt wanted to improve his dismantle by using Mahoraga as a blueprint and Gojo as a training dummy, all he had to do was release his Heian Era form and heal up, open domain expansion and it was gojover. Dont really understand what y'all are questioning about so much, the dude litterally explained in the video ( 29:41 ).
Also even if he started the fight in his heian era form he would have most likely been superior in hand 2 hand which is the only reason he got hit with gojos domain and couldn't use his own time shred gojo to peices
does he even still have de anymore though? unless he uses a domain expansion again we don't know for sure if that strategy you mentioned of transforming then is even viable
@@randomperson1535even without that strategy all he would have to do to beat gojo without Mahoraga. Would he take slightly less damage in the domain clashes.
As the reason he got brain damage was from the one unlimited void. And he only got hit with that one unlimited void because of his Mahoraga strategy where he intentionally stayed inside of the domains for longer than he had to instead of breaking the domains from within. On top of intentionally tanking damage he didn’t have to in order to progress Mahoraga’s adaptation.
Gojo noted sukuna’s risky strategy and took advantage of it using the 3 minute time period where sukuna was doing this to do as much damage as possible. Which led to gojo just barely and narrowly being able to get UV off first. As a result of sukuna being delayed in casting his domain by 0.01 seconds.
So if sukuna just takes slightly less damage, which is very likely to happen if sukuna doesn’t have mahoraga so he isn’t intentionally turning off DA at times and tanking more damage. He simply takes less damage isn’t delayed, so he doesn’t get with unlimited void.
Meaning at the end of the domain clash gojo would get his brain damage, and sukuna would still be able to cast the enclosed domain meaning the end of gojo.
There is no proof that reincarnation heals his damaged brain. This still does not prove that Heian Sukuna would beat Gojo. It just proves that the "free heal" added another advantage Sukuna needed.. Still just shows how strong Gojo is for not needing any advantages in this fight other than his CT he was born with and his own smarts.
@@Tojiii I mean it completely restored his body so I don't see why it wouldn't restore his brain
Just going to say gojo is the strongest before sukuna gained the world cutting slash since if sukuna didn't have maharaga he would lose there is nothing that you can argue it is fact but if you have gojo versus current sukuna it would be a no diff since gojo could teleport and could tell when it would come since there is a chant needed for it.
Miguel needs to come back in the story cause why was he that strong lmao
he had a great curse weapon wich would help in the fight
I believe it was later stated that Gojo was stalling so that Yuta could fight Geto and grow as a sorceror.
2 months 1 week, GOJO still Dead. Officially not the Strongest.
I still disagree with just one thing being that sukuna true form would beat Gojo without megumi technique as sukuna wouldn’t have that space splitting at all, and he only gained it through adaptation. Yeah the form would’ve gave him a fresh boost, but if he didn’t get that adaptation a that attack would’ve done the same thing as it was doing before. The only thing I do believe that would change is the hand to hand combat as sukuna would have an advantage due to the extra arms.
Also in the beginning of the series he declares he’ll kill Gojo and seeked megumi body to do so and
I also think that Sukuna's original form's domain expansion would be much more proficient and effective.
Remember what gojo said in the afterlife
"I think even without the shadows. I don't think I would be able to win"
And since Sukuna is literally sukuna with intelligence on par with gojo WITHOUT THE SIX EYES he could've easily stalled out for a long time and thought of a way to counter his infinity
Thus expanding his target to reality itself and killing gojo once and for all
i'd like to think that sukuna is just working smarter and not harder since im pretty sure even without mahoraga he would've eventually reached the spatial cleave anyway. As its been clearly shown that he can easily copy anything that can be done with curse energy even without the ten shadows
He had ways to kill gojo without the space cutting slash. Remember the whole fight he was trying to get Mahoraga to adapt so he could learn that slash, if he wasnt he would not have been playing defensive and would be using domain amp inside the domain clash which he stated he wasnt doing bc he want maho to adapt. True from sukuna would be using domain amp and he would have his extra mouth to enchant the dismantle attacking the barrier which would destory gojo's domain faster than 3 minutes, considering it took gojo 3 minutes everytime to damage sukuna enough, true form sukuna with a tougher more durable body, fighting offensive and defensively with domain amp on this time, and possibly has special grade cursed tools with his domain dismantle and cleave being amped by enchants. Gojo would lose every domain clash and eventually not be able to use his domain, and then sukuna would simply close his domain with a barrier and murder gojo. Domain amp would allow sukuna's cursed tools to touch gojo, not to mention his 4 arms, he can block against gojo's rapid attacks with 2 and then attempt to grab, punch, or stab him with the other 2 hands, that forces gojo to have to play defensive as well as offensively unlike in the canon fight where he was only on the offensive in the domain clash. He can not defeat true form sukuna (no ten shadows) which explains why gojo made the claim, not bc he was gassing him up, but bc hes not dumb and knows he would have lost.
1 thing which is non debatable, Sukuna definitely outsmarted Gojo without a doubt as the entire goal was to get that adaptation which is true, but let’s go into a hypothetical that Gojo that very first time and the second being that hein era. That means he never got any of the information he learn in megumi body.The only true advantage sukuna now gains is the extra arms and mouth which allows chant and combat, which is definitely a major boost. Things that won’t change is Gojo using domain expansion more than once, and sukuna learned that from Gojo so he’ll most likely do the same again. One thing that’s certain is that with sukuna being in his true form, Gojo will be able to see his techniques since it’s no longer masked in another form other than his own so sukuna hand would be shown. Also sukuna is in no way an ignorant fighter so I truly doubt he’ll waste time on moves that he know won’t be effective, if so he would’ve used jogo fire as he learned on the spot. Biggest problem is sukuna domain with the enchant amping him, but Gojo has a simple domain which negates sure hits and if Gojo is feeling overwhelmed he would use as we see him do. Now the question remains if he can do enough damage to destroy sukuna domain. Now if he can, Gojo domain is a one shot, there shouldn’t be any disagreement and we haven’t been shown sukuna has one, and in this we can give sukuna a simple domain but the problem remains on the fact that as long as Gojo domain is active if you aren’t touching him it’s game over. But let’s say for some reason they both don’t go for domains off the jump for some reason, Gojo infinity is going to remain a problem, as sukuna only got damage on him through the domain, and without Gojo worrying about sukuna adaptation as he only had that with the 10 shadows Gojo is free to use red, blue, and purple without fear for his attack eventually not doing anything. As for Gojo feeling as if he couldn’t beat sukuna falls more into the self doubt as Gojo told yuji that if sukuna regained all his power he will still beat him, and to Gojo knowledge it’s a 15 finger sukuna instead of it actually being a full power sukuna not fully manifested into his own form. It only makes sense for Gojo to feel as if he couldn’t beat him and thinks he didn’t go all out as he didn’t fight the form he envisioned. Sukuna is strong but to say that without megumi 10 shadows it would’ve gon the same if not worse is unrealistic. That cleave he now has is from the 10 shadows, if you believe that he had that the whole time, he wouldn’t call called mahoraga a model for something he could’ve done the entire time
Gojo is the strongest and beats any version of Sukuna
If u think Sukuna is the strongest then that means u accept that Batman is stronger than Superman 🙄🙄🙄
I love how people here in the comments starts to DOWNPLAY gojo acting like he didn't show any amazing feats and prowess during the fight.He WAS the strongest of his era! end of discussion.
Sukuna glazers bro
Gojo is the strongest sukuna was just smart enough to know he couldn’t take him one on one gojo will come back don’t worry
Gege can still show Sukuna's powers so that fandom can cope better.
Nah🤣old boii is the bisected one⛩️🔪
From the moment Sukuna's finger was eaten, gojo stopped being the strongest
so you didnt see 1 finger against gojo clearly right
@@22.d.inventor15 I coulda swore it was a ten second exchange 😑
@@deeeeeeznutz bro if you think 1 finger sukuna wouldve won a full fight youre slow no ammount of buffs would allow 1 finger sukuna to beat gojo
@@22.d.inventor15that fight literally made sukuna plan out on how to kill gojo, he basically made a map on how to bypass infinity and from his Hein era experience he knows that in order to kill someone from gojo clan he need help from zenin clan, so from the beginning sukuna's eyes are on Megumi in order to kill gojo, so from the moment sukuna fought gojo, he made a plan to bypass infinity and kill gojo
@@LuckyVarma11 bruh, he only had this plan after he fought Megumi long after his fight with Gojo, stop glazing.
How can Gojo still be the strongest when the strongest was always Jogo?
It’s funny to think that Sakuna has never called himself the strongest (I think)
Not the strongest too me don’t talk about this If it ain’t about my king 😤😤😤
I don't think Sukuna wins without the 10 shadows. I think Mahoraga was a big part of why Gojo lost.
But then tbf infinity would have been a big part of why gojou would win too😂
yeah but it is his own ability and not from someone else like mahoraga which is from megumis 10 shadows technique.@@shinsoatimaku
chapter 238 proves that this heain era form boosts sk's h2h abilities crazily & boosts his physical specs a lot especially his speed (as kashimo was previously the fastest in the show with his speed stated to surpass the limits of mankind and socerers are part of mankind) making kashimo even faster than gojo but SK who is evolved beyond mankind has shown to speedblitzt him
Making sk the fastest in the series also the extra hands and stomach allows him to easily reinforce attacks mid combat using his stomach to incant and extra hands to do hand signs
I know u all would think this is useless against infinity but I will explain why it is not in the points below
This form would have 100% kept up with gojo in h2h or at least made the diff btw them in h2h negligible and escape getting serious injury in those 3 mins 11 seconds of the prison realm de battles
allowing to smash his de all five times wi (also remember that SK was limiting his use of da because of mahoraga adaptation so if he wasn't holding back with the mahoraga plan bcoz he knows he will get jumped and needs a full heal card he will use this form and go all out without deactivations on da nullying blue effects in pulls and punches on sk)
= Sk winning due to continous de + cleave barrage + fire arrows which has more damage power than cleave making it better for leading one to RCT burnout even tho cleave is more lethal (super enhanced with non stop chants with his stomach and hand signs) on gojo during the gaps of when gojo's De gets smashed and he loses his (infinity) abd when he loses all five de slots
He dies to RCT burnout from brain damage under continuous De barrage continously declining his RCT output ( as Ur RCT keeps dropping after brain damage) as he uses RCT to heal to survive until he reaches slow healing and gets destroyed by ms
Gojo only dominated sukuna hard only( and got d 0.1 second advantage of opening his UV over him) because he cannot use da and adapt at the same time and was extremely limiting his da use in the prison realm de battles
The fact that even with all this
Gojo only injures him at d 3 min 11 secs that his de breaks to ms should tell u a lot of how close it was even tho Sukuna was extremely limiting his use of da
Gojo even says how sukuna can destroy his de from inside and how sukuna was making risky options
Sukuna with 24/7 da will survive all de battles = doesn't get hit by s 0.1 sec infinite void = Gojo beign d only one that runs out of de slots = Gojo dying eventually to RCT burnout under ms
Gojo was already on the verge of slow healing from d short time he spent in malevolent shrine
Evident from d fact that he reached slow healing after only only taking a few more cc hits and the first mahoraga one slash to d body which is nothing compared to the damages per second in malevolence shrine
Sukuna had to back on his cards and use d 10S way because according to hakari
He still has to fight them and therefore cannot give it his all but u all keep ignoring that
Using the gojo vs sukuna fight to determine who is stronger is very flawed and doesn't tell the true story.
The gojo vs sukuna fight was never really a 1 vs 1.
Sukuna had a lot of things going for him.
1) He had complete knowledge on Gojo's techniques and how they work including UV. ( This is super important because sukuna already had a battle strategy planned at the start of the fight)
2) He had the 10S and maho.
3) He had Megumi's soul which he used to offset damage from UV.
4) He had convenient reset button which apparently restores him to full health.
All of which played huge roles in his eventual victory.
Now if the situation were reversed with gojo having complete knowledge about sukuna's techniques, the 10S and maho, an extra soul, and a reset button that can heal him can sukuna beat him? I very much doubt so.
Now if we have a scenerio where both of them meet randomly with zero knowledge about each others techniques, no maho, no extra souls, no reset button it will be interesting to see who wins.
Let me put it this way to everyone how strong gojo is.
It took the strongest sorcerer in history to kill him. That man aint no fraud.
He only being called a fraud because sukuna was getting slandered
@@brucewayne497 yes....and thats stupid as hell, both sukuna glazers and gojo suckers...they need to grow up.
No as soon as Sukuna came back he was second best
Gojo couldn’t fly before his awakening, so is his flight a product of his cursed technique reversal. Maybe applied to his infinity
Yes he is using blue on himself to levitate, pulling himself
sukuna is hella broken with this ammount of asspull , breaking infinity? full regen? cutting reality? wide domain shrine, mahoraga and not taking damage with OP weapons, if he was this strong to begin with how did they even seal him
He sealed himself on purpose after being taught by Kenjaku
its true. since sukuna's true form is even stronger than megumi's body. he was getting hit by kashimo. but when he transformed into his true form he was able catch kashimo easily which proves his true form is far stronger than his human form.
But if Sukuna didnt have megumi arsenal he would never win. There is a reason he needed to change from yuji to megumi. There was no way sukuna couldve won against gojo in yuji body
@@mikejardon8380 simple domain can bypass infinity
funniest part about the whole gojo vs sukuna debate is that gojo would've won had he actually utilized his abilities intelligently and actually been fighting to win like he claimed he was. gojo had multiple oppurtunities to either turn the tide of the battle in his favor or just flat out win. he could've won at the very beginning once he fired off the 200% hollow purple by immediately expanding his domain while sukuna was recovering. gojo also never should've directly engaged sukuna in a domain battle after his domain got destroyed the first time. what he should've done was tank sukuna's slashes for a bit then once sukuna thinks he has him, heal his burnt out CT with RCT and teleport outside of malevolent shrine's range. wait until sukuna drops it then immediately teleport in front of him and open unlimited void. by that point, mahoraga wouldn't have had any time to adapt to UV so sukuna would actually lose right then and there. so it's either gojo is a complete dumbass for the plot or he wasn’t being nearly as lethal with his abilities as he claimed to be. so a hypothetically intelligent gojo is the strongest because he still would've won had he remembered his teleportation was an option during the domain clashes. sukuna used gojo's stupidity and ego to his advantage and won. so he's now the strongest.
This is correct I think that gojo’s pride got in the way he wanted to beat sukuna in a domain battle, also he realize that if he could somehow defeat sukuna in his domain then he would have had the upper hand for sure.
@@Gojogoat132 it's infuriating in retrospect because gojo really could've used sukuna having a barrier-less domain against him by forcing him to play on his terms once he realized sukuna's domain didn't have a barrier after the initial first domain clash. he should've teleported into the air and fired off a hollow purple at sukuna while his domain was still active. then immediately teleport back to the ground and expand unlimited void while sukuna was recovering. sukuna would've been done for since even if he managed to recover and heal his burnt out CT in time and expand his domain, if he's off by even a millisecond we already know what happens next. his domain will collapse and he'll be caught in UV. and mahoraga wouldn't be able to bail him out in this scenario since it wouldn't have had any time to properly adapt to UV so it would also get incapacitated when it comes out. so sukuna loses to gojo if he had actually used his brain during the fight. fml.
Fights dont happen like this lol
@@xebec995 so what you're saying is that it makes 100% sense for gojo to not use his abilities to their full capabilities in order to win which he claimed he was trying to do? or are you just saying that because you think gojo acting like a dumbass during the fight so sukuna can win makes the fight better? clearly you don't know how fighting to win works if you think this isn't how the fight realistically should've gone.
@@Reseptics ok so y didnt sukuna sneak up on gojo and use his domsin right away since he knew where gojo was? Fights do not go that way in manga.
One of the things I got from the info is that without Megumis soul maharaga and all the other shikigami that ten shadows had sukuna would have gotten obliterated j no it easily but unless sukuna played it absolutely perfectly he would have gotten pretty handily stomped
The people will never accept Gojo's loss because of his crazy new applications of Limitless in the fight. He had multiple flashes of inspiration during the fight, and people think that puts him above Sukuna.
Meanwhile, the reality is that all of those new things we saw him do were attempts at keeping up with Sukuna. It is what it is.
You could say the same with sukuna since he had to use the 10 shadows and maho to keep up with gojo
GOJO is still the Goat… went out slugging 🎉
How could a mere human, as godlike as he pretends to be or is viewed, could ever beat an anomaly, a crack in the universe, as sukuna. Sukuna is virtually immortal. No physical body? No problem! He just divides his energy into horcruxes and chilled for centuries. He understands jujutsu to a degree far superior to anyone else. But more importantly, he won because he doesn’t bother himself with self reflection thoughts. He lives only for his own satisfaction. Willing to do anything to survive and enjoy himself, the likes of gojo who came in the fight thinking of it as his ultimate challenge to demonstrate what or who he really is.
Had gojo come in the fight with nothing else in mind than survival, which includes thinking of any shady or not plan to take out sukuna, I think gojo would have won. At the very least, he would have pushed sukuna far enough to revert into his real body.
In a way, Gojo never truly valued life or the blessings he was bestowed. Sure he will compete till the end and try to survive as hard as he can. But not at all costs like sukuna. That’s why he lost. That’s not a bad thing either. I just think him coming back as a totally changed man who will enjoy every minute of his new life would be interesting.
interesting take
Thank you for stating the ending regarding Sukuna's reincarnation. I wish you would have waited though because we have no proof that it healed his brain which would destroy that whole theory you mentioned. Plus that still helps the argument that Gojo is the strongest because if it was just Heian Sukuna vs Gojo he wouldnt have the free heal. Are you saying Sukuna needed a free heal to win? 😂 That's worse than needing Mahoraga... Notice how the only way to make Sukuna's won look realistic you have to mention all the advantages Gege HAD to give Sukuna so that he would come out the winner. There was no realistic way to do it if it was just Heian Sukuna vs Gojo BECAUSE of Gegs's statement telling us that Gojo was created to be the strongest character. So he gave Sukuna all these extra advantages to also help his statement.
Gojo was special grade from the jump icl
Born with the six eyes
Changing the balance of the jujutsu world after just being born automatically made him special grade
@@llawliet9793and?, that’s irrelevant as they are innate techniques
@@david_ce ? 💀 still makes him special grade 💀
Gege is the real clown, he created the most powerful character in Gojo and had powercrawling solved but he failed into stick to his own rules saying that he was the strongest and then let him lose, which meh but worse lied about Gojo saying that he would not have win even without the ten Shadows terrible writing, that's why the manga lost relevance.
@dontbothertoreply9755 "That's why the manga lost relevance" Bro the manga is still relevant, even after the entire fight. Its almost like you have no literacy and just want the show to be called Gojo Kaisen instead and blame his loss on bad writing.
What I find lacking in the fight,is the use of hollow purple and teleportation.Gojo never spammed hollow purple,which to me seems odd since he had many chances to teleport away and fire a hollow purples before teleporting back in to attack sukuna.On that topic he also for some reason didn’t spam teleportation,imagine him using teleportation then a immediate hollow purples,which he planted before like when he use unlimited hollow purple .Sukuna would die for sure.If he took multiple hollow purples.
Hollow purple is an advanced technique. Teleportation is even more advanced than hollow purple. They aren't techniques he can spam.
@@aminulhussain2277 he spammed teleportation during the sukuna fight.It’s clearly not that advanced of a technique.Aa for hollow purple,i said if he SET it up beforehand,Like when he used maximum.
what an analysis its not like it is obvious he do not use hollow purple bc if it don't one shot him he would adapt to hollow purple and he only chance to win would dissapear ??? have you seen when sukuna tanked a 120% hollow purple and also the end of the fight where its clearly said gojo was planning all this time to make a fully incantated hollow purple to straight one shot sukuna ?@@Senbu-dz1xp
@@JujutsuBrawl “If it dont one shot him it don’t adapt to hollow purple”
1st:That doesn’t stop him from using teleportation.
2;I said set them up before hand.What I’m imagining is that he sets up a bunch of hollow purples.Which he should be able to do,Remember he can use multiple reds and blues.And then he’ll explode them All at once.Using infinity to not take damage.
Fix your English,And stop trying to beat a boogeyman argument.
Im not english and I won't focus to have very good writting when you can't understand simple narration and power scaling you just mad@@Senbu-dz1xp
Gojo was always the strongest, Sukuna needing Megumi/Mahoraga to defeat him is like if Gojo brought Yuta and Yuji with him when he was fighting Sukuna
Had he gone to heian form before Summoning mahoraga he would not have a world splitting attack in the first place .
Meaning yeah he could kill gojo in a domain clash but he also could have just died.
Gojos final purple would have killed him had it no been unlimited hollow purple , and been the normal concentrated version .
So I agree and also don't agree .
They really didn't make clear who is actually stronger .
Sukuna won the fight but gojo is absolutely capable of killing him in either form.
Sukuna might have a slight majority but even than it's a pretty tight fight even now .
None of his attacks or tools would be helpful at all to him outside his domain attacks due to infinity still being the same .
Take megumis soul out of sukuna and he gets killed by unlimited void considering that's the only reason he actually was able to tank that so well .
Sukuna was winning in the domain expansions and gojo still found a way to land unlimited void
gojo only found a way to land unlimited void after sukuna switched to using 10 shadows, to take hits, play defensive in order for mahoraga to adapt faster because he wanted to get that world slash
their fight was much more close, and sukuna was playing much more offensively prior to using 10 shadows in chapters 226 and 227, he was the one in control if you will
@Am-fp7pn somewhat but gojo also just got the momentum at the end because he was fighting at like 200 percent capacity due to landing like 3 or so black flashes in a short period of time .
So there were multiple reasons for the momentum shifting and I do agree that was part of the reason as well .
If he didnt use mahoraga his offensive strat would likely have eventually been overcame as well.
Despite maintaining the advantage for a period ..
It was just a tight fight with 2 mostly relative fighters.
Kind of one of those situations where I would say gojo probably wins something along the lines of 3 of 4 out of 10 fights .
@@123NERDZ even if he didnt have a way to bypass limitless with his technique, it's only logical he'd focus on beating gojo in the domain clashes more, the requirement is to break gojos domain 5 times in a row, so that he gets braindamage, which i think sukuna is perfectly capable of doing if he was at maximum potential, meaning he utilized absolutely everything just like gojo did
-True Form
-Black Flashes
-Cursed Tools: Hiten and Kamutoke
-Incantations
-Hand Seals
-Maximum Output Attacks
-Maximum Output RCT
-True Cursed Technique (confirmed in the Jogo fight that Cleave & Dismantle are only an extension of his technique, not the actual thing)
-Fire Arrow
-Maximum Techniques
-his last finger, where ever it is
if he had all these things above, right after he destroyed gojos domain for the first time in chapter 226, i'm confident he has what it takes to win
I think part of the reason why Sukuna handcapped himself was because he wanted to beat Gojo at what hes best at - manipulating space, just like he beat Jogo at what hes best at - flame manipulation or Mahito, who he outclassed at mastery over the soul. Sukuna wants to beat his opponents at what they are best at lol, probably to prove his superiority. Makes him all the more insane as a sorcerer. In a way he's the most complete fighter in the series, everything from barrier mastery to mindset, he has it down to perfection.
3rd best character in jjk behind my king and his chef
Naratively Sukuna is stronger (which is still debatable, since he had to use Megumi's techniques and soul to pull this win off), cos without that JJK would've just ended, but logically Gojo is so broken, that Gege had to create this elaborate plan to kill Gojo (and he had to unreasonably glaze Sukuna all over by both Gojo and Kashimo), cos he made him basically invincible outside of few exceptions.
The exact opposite was shown. It seems clear that gojo was lucky to have made it as far in the fight as he did. Sukuna would have won with or without megumi. He just valued the prospect of being able to further upgrade himself, which was made clear in the manga.
First we have the domain clashes, where sukuna opted to progress mahoragas adaption instead of using other ct's to damage gojo during the time periods where the sure hit effect was active which applies to any ct a sorcerer uses in the domain, after gojo's first two domain's collapsed. Which he talked about in the clash how it ended up working out. And we know the moves in sukuna's arsenal would at the very least do solid damage given we know sukuna's fire arrow does more damage than gojo's red.
As jogo was able to tank gojo's red with only a little damage, where as 15 finger sukuna's fire arrow one shot and disintegrated gojo. But other than that in the domain clashes, one of the biggest things I think points to gojo all in all being lucky to make it as far, is what happened with the unlimited void he managed to hit sukuna with, and what happened after the clashes.
Also no megumi’s soul wasn’t tanking his for sukuna. They stated and explained it in the manga that the sure hit effects on MS and UV were cancelling out eachother for sukuna and gojo. But because of how gojo’s domain works it was all still hitting megumi. Sukuna just took advantage of that and put the wheel on megumi. But megumi wasn’t blocking or tanking damage for sukuna. As even if megumi wasn’t there he wouldn’t have been getting hit with UV anyway.
After the clashes where gojo received brain damage from healing his burnt out ct with rct, and was left unable to cast his domain without dying. Sukuna was about to cast the enclosed domain and adapt to limitless completely as well as ending gojo right there. But sukuna also got brain damage, however his brain damage was from the one unlimted void he got hit with, not as a consequence of healing burn out, which means A LOT.
As this means the rest of the characters assumption that sukuna copied gojo and was healing his burnt out ct with rct was wrong. Which was implied after the clashes as well as sukuna knew ahead of time was gojo was doing and knew he wasn't going to be able to cast another domain. Then started explaining to gojo that healing his burnt out ct and brain isnt the same as healing flesh. Meaning he already knew about it, and the bigger thing is that he either was using a different method to heal his burnt out ct, or his ct was never fully burnt out, or burnt out at all. But this also means that if gojo didn't manage to hit sukuna with that one unlimited void, it would have been over for gojo right then. And gojo barely and narrowly managed to get that unlimited void off first.
In the clashes the only reason gojo was actually able to get it off first is because, he realized sukuna was intentionally going with a really defensive strat (to progress mahoraga's adaption, which gojo didn't know he was doing), which he was confused by and said it was way riskier than him just breaking the domain from within. But after realizing that gojo decided to take the 3 minute time window he had before his domain collapsed to try and do as much damage as he possibly could. Meanwhile sukuna intentionally was playing it defensively and intentionally tanking some attacks. Which was also stated in their fight. But all of that led to gojo just barely being able to do enough damage to delay sukuna from casting his domain by 0.01 seconds as stated in the manga.
So to sort of summarize and make it clearer if sukuna were fighting any differently during the domain clashes other than his chosen strat of playing it defensively and tanking hits, rather than breaking the domain from within. Gojo never hits him with the unlimited void, and subsequently this means that after the 5th domain clash where gojo gets brain damage, sukuna would actually be able to cast the enclosed domain, which means it would be over for gojo.
Secondly gojo's black flash amps restoring his ce output. During the fight gojo's ce reserves and output were getting massively drained and worn down, and it would've eventually left gojo in the circumstance where he would have no chance of doing enough damage to kill sukuna. But he got multiple black flashes off, which happen randomly and by luck/chance and only occur when a sorcerer is in the zone. Gojo can't manually create them whenever he wants, its out of his control. Meaning without them it again would've left gojo unable to kill sukuna and with sukuna winning.
Then there is the difference in just stats, sukuna outright has far more ce reserves, as yuta has double what gojo has, and sukuna has more than double what yuta has. All while at the same time sukuna is just as efficient as gojo with his ce. On top of having better knowledge and usage of rct than gojo. On top of sukuna showing to be the tankiest character in the entire verse, and far far far tankier than any other character we have seen.
And then the final sort of cherry on top and the other huge thing that I think makes it clear gojo would lose either way with or without mahoraga, is the fact he was holding his og form in his back pocket the entire time. Which fully healed his body, as well as replaced the megumi body with a stronger, faster, and more durable one with an extra set of arms. But on top of that fully restored his ce reserves, output, and his rct output, and allows him to use hand signs constantly, as well as incantations. Which is a massive buff as would've made it basically impossible for gojo to win the domain clashes, as it would mean he would match or do better than gojo in h2h combat, as well as make it so he always gets his domain off first, and anything he uses is buffed, as he always has the extra hands ready for signs, and the extra mouth constantly buffing things.
And his incantations could very well boost the power on his domain which appeared to be purposefully lowered by sukuna. As we know he can change the output on it as he did it much earlier in the series and talked about it. And cleave has the ability to be adjusted to match the targets ce, and durability in order to one shot. And we do know sukuna wanted to adapt to limitless before killing gojo. We know this because after the 5th domain clash where gojo got brain damage, and sukuna thought it was over he still stated he was going to cast the enclosed domain to first adapt to limitless, and then subsequently kill him. Keep in mind again this is when sukuna thought it was completely over for gojo, and that he could end it right there, yet still his primary objective was to adapt to limitless within the domain first then kill him.
And we know he wanted megumi because yuji’s body was like a cage for him. As it was outright stated even at 20 fingers yuji could completely contain sukuna. On top of that sukuna wanted megumi after seeing him for the first time and not even having knowledge of Mahoraga existing. And it was stated that most people can’t even actually be a vessel as they would die from ingesting a finger. But he saw megumi was one of the select people who could. Mahoraga was just an added bonus he found out about, and saw it could be used to further improve himself.
So all in all I think what gege showed is that the odds were heavily stacked against gojo in just about every regard with or without mahoraga. But given gojo's talent, and skill, with a bit of luck he was able to go the distance, and really give sukuna a good fight better than anyone else in the past 1000 years. But at the end of the day sukuna was still in an entirely different league above everyone including gojo.
He wasn’t even in his Heian form
@@sleepyking4558 I’m not reading that essay
@@mjolninja9358 and? His Heian form can’t penetrate infinity, can’t shift damage from Infinite Void to Megumi’s souls, and can’t call Mahoraga to bail him out of it if he’s caught. Sure he’s a stronger version of basic Sukuna, but Megumi was essential to his win.
@@morsperferro3419 go read my essay goofball i broke it all down. Thats the reason its so long, is because people like u in the community outright either misunderstood so many things in the manga, on top of potentially forgetting how large parts of certain mechanics worked. And then subsequently complain about "bad writing" or "its just because gege didnt like him" and go on with ur own delusional opinion that gojo is or was somehow stronger.
So I have to break it all down for u part by part just so u can understand the things everyone else in the community has come to understand. That sukuna was stronger than gojo without mahoraga, with mahoraga, and now.
Don't be a simpleton and learn how to read properly, along with some critical thinking skills, and u won't have so many questions and u will realize the writing wasn't bad. Then people like me won't have to put essays in the comment sections breaking it all down for u.
Nice video also I don’t really care what anybody says in my eyes the moment you lose your not the strongest anymore
So that means Batman is stronger than Superman?
Here's what Sukuna needed to do to beat Gojo: get someone else's innate technique, keep a full restore only available to him once and only after incarnating, and even then, he very nearly lost.
Gojo would beat Heian Sukuna, and would likely do the same to current Sukuna if both were fresh. Sukuna beating Gojo required him to have 2 souls and a technique that isn't his own, along with knowledge on how Gojo's domain works that Gojo doesn't have on him, if any one of these 3 factors was gone, Sukuna loses their fight.
With only one soul, Sukuna wouldn't have been able to bear the burden of Unlimited Void, and would've died when he got hit with it.
Without Mahoraga, he wouldn't have a way past Infinity aside from his domain and amplification, both of which Gojo was able to counter and beat him up regardless of how strong Sukuna was.
Without prior knowledge on Gojo's domain, the clash he won by touching Gojo so he could strengthen his attacks on the barrier wouldn't have gone like that, and Gojo likely would've hit him with Unlimited Void in 3 or 4 clashes instead of 5, leaving Sukuna as the one who can't use his domain, not Gojo.
Sukuna had multiple advantages walking into the fight that had nothing to do with his own strength. His strength isn't in having 2 souls, nor is it in someone else's abilities, nor is it in knowledge he gained due to someone else. Sukuna with only his own tools and abilities loses to Gojo with only his own tools and abilities.
Gojo lost 2 fights, Toji, who caused a situation that exhausted Gojo before they ever met, and even then only won because Gojo turned off Six Eyes once he got back to Jujutsu High, and Sukuna, who relied on things he gained through other people's knowledge and abilities in order to barely beat Gojo. Without his extensive preparation, Toji would lose to teen Gojo every time, given how child Gojo scared him. Without the extra knowledge and abilities Sukuna gained from other people, Gojo would've beaten him more often than not, given how narrowly he won even with all that.
Satoru Gojo is still the strongest.
It’s clear that gojo was lucky to have made it as far in the fight as he did. Sukuna would’ve won with or without 10s. The only thing that would’ve changed is the strategy he used to kill gojo as without 10s he would focus much more on winning and killing gojo in the domain clashes which he held back in. Rather than letting the fight draw out as a result of having the opportunity to massively upgrade himself. I’ll break it down for u so it’s clear, concise and understandable.
The reason I say gojo was lucky to have made it as far is when we look at the domain clashed and how they concluded. First we have the domain clashes, where sukuna opted to progress mahoragas adaption instead of using other ct's to damage gojo during the time periods where the sure hit effect was active which applies to any ct a sorcerer uses in the domain, after gojo's first two domain's collapsed. Which he talked about in the clash how it ended up working out. And we know the moves in sukuna's arsenal would at the very least do solid damage given we know sukuna's fire arrow does more damage than gojo's red.
As jogo was able to tank gojo's red with only a little damage, where as 15 finger sukuna's fire arrow one shot and disintegrated gojo. And sukuna’s fire arrow was also able to one shot mahoraga and do large scale damage to the surrounding area.
But other than that in the domain clashes, one of the biggest things I think points to gojo all in all being lucky to make it as far, is what happened with the unlimited void he managed to hit sukuna with, and what happened after the clashes.
And I’ll throw this in just because I see some people misunderstand it. But no megumi’s soul was not protecting sukuna’s by being hit by UV. They stated and explained it in the manga that the sure bite effects of MS and UV were cancelling eachother out on sukuna and gojo. But because of how each of the domains work it was all still hitting megumi, due to his weird coexisting thing with sukuna. Which is why in the manga they went out of their way to specifically talk about how megumi was THE ONLY ONE left unprotected. Sukuna just took advantage and put the wheel on him. But megumi’s soul was not blocking or tanking damage for sukuna, as either way even if he was gone he wouldn’t have been getting hit with MS.
After the clashes where gojo received brain damage from healing his burnt out ct with rct, and was left unable to cast his domain without dying. Sukuna was about to cast the enclosed domain and adapt to limitless completely as well as ending gojo right there. But sukuna also got brain damage, however his brain damage was from the one unlimted void he got hit with, not as a consequence of healing burn out, which means A LOT.
As this means the rest of the characters assumption that sukuna copied gojo and was healing his burnt out ct with rct was wrong. Which was implied after the clashes as well as sukuna knew ahead of time was gojo was doing and knew he wasn't going to be able to cast another domain. Then started explaining to gojo that healing his burnt out ct and brain isnt the same as healing flesh. Meaning he already knew about it, and the bigger thing is that he either was using a different method to heal his burnt out ct, or his ct was never fully burnt out, or burnt out at all.
But more importantly this also means that if gojo didn't manage to hit sukuna with that one unlimited void, it would have been over for gojo right then. And gojo barely and narrowly managed to get that unlimited void off first.
In the clashes the only reason gojo was actually able to get it off first is because, he realized sukuna was intentionally going with a really defensive strat (to progress mahoraga's adaption, which gojo didn't know he was doing), which he was confused by and said it was way riskier than him just breaking the domain from within. But after realizing that gojo decided to take the 3 minute time window he had before his domain collapsed to try and do as much damage as he possibly could. Meanwhile sukuna intentionally was playing it defensively and intentionally tanking more damage than he had to. As he was turning DA off when doing this and DA was stated to reduce the damage gojo’s attacks were.
But all of that led to gojo just barely being able to do enough damage to delay sukuna from casting his domain and letting gojo scrape by and cast his first by 0.01 seconds as stated in the manga.
So to sort of summarize and make it clearer if sukuna were fighting any differently during the domain clashes other than his chosen strat of playing it defensively and tanking hits, rather than breaking the domain from within. Gojo never hits him with the unlimited void, and subsequently this means that after the 5th domain clash where gojo gets brain damage, sukuna would actually be able to cast the enclosed domain, which means it would be over for gojo.
Secondly gojo's black flash amps restoring his ce and rct output. During the fight gojo's output was rapidly declining, and at times he had to use chants to get the power in some of his attacks to what they would have been normally.
So without the black flashes it would've eventually left gojo in the circumstance where he would have no chance of doing enough damage to kill sukuna. Or unable to continue the fight.
But he got multiple black flashes off, which happen randomly and by luck/chance and only occur when a sorcerer is in the zone. Gojo can't manually create them whenever he wants, its out of his control. Meaning without them it again would've left gojo unable to kill sukuna and with sukuna winning. Hence why I think this was another showing of luck.
Then there is the difference in just stats, sukuna outright has far more ce reserves, as yuta has double what gojo has, and sukuna has more than double what yuta has. All while at the same time sukuna is just as efficient as gojo with his ce. On top of having better knowledge and usage of rct than gojo. On top of sukuna showing to be the tankiest character in the entire verse, and far far far tankier than any other character we have seen.
And then the final sort of cherry on top and the other huge thing that I think makes it clear gojo would lose either way with or without mahoraga, is the fact he was holding his og form in his back pocket the entire time. Which fully healed his body, as well as replaced the megumi body with a stronger, faster, and more durable one with an extra set of arms.
But on top of that fully restored his ce reserves, output, and his rct output, and allows him to use hand signs constantly, as well as incantations. Which is a massive buff as would've made it basically impossible for gojo to win the domain clashes, as it would mean he would match or do better than gojo in h2h combat, as well as make it so he always gets his domain off first, and anything he uses is buffed, as he always has the extra hands ready for signs, and the extra mouth constantly buffing things.
And his incantations could very well boost the power on his domain which appeared to be purposefully lowered by sukuna. As we know he can change the output on it as he did it much earlier in the series and talked about it. And cleave has the ability to be adjusted to match the targets ce, and durability in order to one shot. And we do know sukuna wanted to adapt to limitless before killing gojo. We know this because after the 5th domain clash where gojo got brain damage, and sukuna thought it was over he still stated he was going to cast the enclosed domain to first adapt to limitless, and then subsequently kill him. Keep in mind again this is when sukuna thought it was completely over for gojo, and that he could end it right there, yet still his primary objective was to adapt to limitless within the domain first then kill him.
And we know he wanted megumi because yuji’s body was like a cage for him. As it was outright stated even at 20 fingers yuji could completely contain sukuna. On top of that sukuna wanted megumi after seeing him for the first time and not even having knowledge of Mahoraga existing. And it was stated that most people can’t even actually be a vessel as they would die from ingesting a finger. But he saw megumi was one of the select people who could. Mahoraga was just an added bonus he found out about, and saw it could be used to further improve himself.
So all in all I think what gege showed is that the odds were heavily stacked against gojo in just about every regard with or without mahoraga. But given gojo's talent, and skill, battle iq and with a some luck he was able to go the distance, and really give sukuna a good fight better than anyone else in the past 1000 years. But at the end of the day sukuna was still in an entirely different league above everyone including gojo.
Its unlikely gojo would beat heian era sukuna, he didn't need two souls, or another technique that belonged to someone else, or the knowledge of how unlimited void works. Remove anyone of those factors and he does fine.
1. When it comes to being hit by unlimited void u seem to be one of the people who misunderstood the manga. In the explanation they gave in the manga they made it clear that sukuna and gojo were safe from each others sure hits because they were negating each other. And that the reason megumi was getting hit is because he was the only one without protection.
They literally specifically emphasized the point that although the other two were protected by the sure hits negating eachother, megumi SPECIFICALLY wasn't.
There domains target things basically the exact same where gojo's targets everything but himself, and so does sukuna's. Thats why for someone to avoid UV if they are in gojo's domain they have to just stay touching him.
Again reason megumi was being hit is because although the sure hits were negating each other due to megumi having the weird coexisting thing he wasn't protected like gojo, or sukuna.
2. Aside from that if he didn't have knowledge on gojo's domain he simply wouldn't have turned off the sure hit inside and it would've just been like the domain clash that happened after that round. Where gojo goes all out and just manages to break sukuna's domain at the same time his collapses. So no bud it would again end with gojo using more domains then sukuna are u high?
3. U do realize even after gojo changed his domain he wasn't able to get sukuna's to collapse first right? And this is while sukuna was intentionally turning DA off and tanking more damage than he had to in order to gain and continue progress to the adaption.
So had he not had mahoraga, he would've just left DA on the entire time hence taking less damage. As DA was flat out stated in the manga to reduce the damage gojo's attacks did to sukuna. So subsequently gojo would end up having to use extra domains again but this time it would be even worse.
4. All in all if we actually analyze the fight bud sukuna had far more of an advantage in the domain clashes due to having an open domain. And the only reason gojo actually survived that part of the fight is because of sukuna's gamble to focus more on the adaption in the clashes rather than taking all the opportunities he had.
Without mahoraga or the memories acquired from megumi and yuji he would definitely win in the domain clashes. Now if by some miracle gojo survived past that point then the odds swing massively in his favor. But without mahoraga in the domain clashes the odds swing heavily in favor of sukuns outright winning there.
@sleepyking4558 without Mahoraga, nothing in Sukuna's arsenal except his domain and amplification could get past Infinity. Gojo was able to heal through his domain, and consistently outboxed him when he used DA.
Without Megumi's soul, Mahoraga wouldn't have been adapted to UV when Sukuna got hit by it, meaning he couldn't have saved Sukuna from it.
Gojo was trying to capture Jogo, not kill him. Unless you think Jogo is more durable than Sukuna, who, I remind you, had his face blasted off by red.
Without Mahoraga, Sukuna would've lost the instant he lost that domain clash. Within Gojo's barrier, Sukuna's domain couldn't hit anything, due to them being equal. Meaning Sukuna's only option for breaking Gojo's domain was what he did. If he didn't have Mahoraga, losing a clash would lost him the fight, if he didn't have Megumi's soul to adapt for Mahoraga, Mahoraga couldn't have saved him from UV.
If he didn't know how UV worked from Yuji seeing it, he wouldn't have won the 2nd clash, meaning he would've lost the fight right there.
The fire arrow gets blocked by Infinity, Cleave and Dismantle get blocked by Infinity, nothing in Sukuna's arsenal worked against Gojo. Gojo tanked his domain, then beat it after a couple clashes, Gojo beat his ass in hand to hand, Gojo outdid him in terms of battle IQ during the whole fight, showcased best by his final Purple.
Sukuna won because he had another man's soul and abilities, with another man's knowledge. Sukuna won due to other people's talent mixed with his age. Gojo got there off the back of his own talent. Sukuna took a thousand years to match what Gojo did in under 30, and even then, needed to rely on other people's powers and knowledge to win, and even with all that, Gojo's final blow nearly ended him.
Sukuna loses that fight if he doesn't have Megumi's soul and CT alongside Yuji's experience inside of UV.
Sukuna wanted Megumi after seeing his CT once.
@@thatonguy2407 Go read my comment then go reread the manga.
1. In the domain clashes gojo didn't easily survive the two MS he got hit by. He literally had to use simple domains and falling blossom to buy time because the damage was too much.
2. Again u realize gojo hitting sukuna with that one UV was as a direct result of sukuna's gamble. Sukuna intentionally turned off DA and was tanking more damage in favor of progressing the adaption. While gojo simultaneously was trying to take his 3 minute time window to do as much damage as possible. Which led to sukuna being delayed and gojo JUST BARELY getting to scrape his domain out first by 0.01 seconds.
So had sukuna done anything slightly different and took slightly less damaga sukuna would never have been hit by UV. Hence why he didn't need mahoraga in the first place.
3. U do realize if sukuna fought in his four armed form he would've certainly either been beating gojo in h2h or at the very minimum matched him.
4. U do realize after the first and second domain clashes when gojo started getting hit by MS, sukuna could've opted to use the fire arrow or other cts and they would've been guaranteed to hit because the sure hit effect of sukuna's domain wasn't being negated anymore.
And to be clear I'm not talking about the imbued techniques in the domain's sure hit. I'm talking about how domains literally grant any CT a sorcerer uses the guaranteed hit effect as well. This was flat out stated much earlier in the manga.
The reason sukuna didn't use other Cts is because he couldn't use multiple different ones at the same time. Because he was constantly using 10 shadows to continue the adaptation process. So he was limited to just that and his domains imbued attack. He flat out explained this in the manga. And talked about how it ended up working out anyway.
So he had the option to use other cts to hit gojo and they wouldn't have been stopped by infinity during the times of either when gojo was getting hit by MS. In which they would've also been guaranteed to hit. Or during the time gojo's ct was burnt out. Again go reread the manga.
chapter 238 proves that this heain era form boosts sk's h2h abilities crazily & boosts his physical specs a lot especially his speed (as kashimo was previously the fastest in the show with his speed stated to surpass the limits of mankind and socerers are part of mankind) making kashimo even faster than gojo but SK who is evolved beyond mankind has shown to speedblitzt him
Making sk the fastest in the series also the extra hands and stomach allows him to easily reinforce attacks mid combat using his stomach to incant and extra hands to do hand signs
I know u all would think this is useless against infinity but I will explain why it is not in the points below
Gojo is clearly the strongest character on the show if u go through all the videos there’s a lot of haters because he’s so broken and it annoys alot of people but a 2-1 sneak attack to save Sakuna from dying which turned into a 3-1 back to a 2-1 and then dying while killing 2/3 that u we’re fighting while hurting the other one…..it’s pretty simple. I believe they had to write gojo out of the story because without getting rid of gojo the show couldn’t progress but they knew they couldn’t let em go out sad. So they basically made a epic battle and then made him lose to a unfair fight while still showing than him bs sakuna 1v1 was easy for em
Well even Angel said that if Sukuna finds a way to bypass infinity without Malevolent Shrine Gojo will lose and surprise surprise 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Gojos infinity (even tho it’s his ability) is kinda a cheap one, you can’t hit him unless you use domain amplification and if you use DA it strips you of YOUR CT but Gojo can still use his
Also Gojo said 80% of a sorcerer strength lies within them being able to use their CT so technically Sukuna couldn’t go all out cause infinity is such a broken ability while Gojo could go all out and but still failed to kill Sukuna
I hate to be that guy but infinity was prolonging the inevitable
The moment infinity became a non issue without DE or DA Gojo was already dead 😞
Exactly, I mean angel did say without domain Amplification not without Malovent shrine so, Malovent Shrine wouldve been sukuna way to win without Mahoraga. When the leaks first dropped and angel said that, literally everybody ignored her or told her to shut up calling her trash but I literally knew what she said was just a summary/debrief of what was going to happen... and here we are.
Yep, it's extremely impressive that Sukuna was somehow keeping up all while maintaining Domain Amplification. However, I can't believe you're calling Infinity cheap. Honestly, if the fight had happened without Mahoraga and without Megmumis soul, Sukuna would have definitely lost. It all came down to whether or not Gojo could land Infinite Void on Sukuna. And, as we all saw, he did. Just the brief exposure Sukuna received from infinite void damaged him to the point where he couldn't use his DE. If he didn't have Megumi's soul to transfer the damage of Infinite Void, that would have been game over for Sukuna.
@@morganadaltress9036 Well you can argue that sukuna wouldnt get hit by UV without mahoraga and 10S. For starters, can we see that from chapters 224, 227 and 231 that with Domain Amplification (DA) active, sukuna is relative to gojo can h2h combat even with gojo using both blue and red to make his h2h better, in chapter 231, it starts with gojo dragging sukuna bc he doesnt have DA active but the moment he turns on DA, gojo doesnt land another hit on sukuna that chapter. Secondly, we know from sukuna's own statement that during the 3rd, 4th, and 5th domain clash, he purposely turned off DA to allow maho to adapt, meaning that during those clashes, he couldnt attack gojo and was forced to defend and it took gojo 3 minutes to draw the clash by damaging sukuna enough. Even after sukuna got hit by UV, before we knew that it had an effect, even gojo thought that he had lost when he couldnt use domain anymore so we know that sukuna's domain wouldve killed gojo their, correct. Alright so, without mahoraga, sukuna wouldnt have to handicap himself by turning of DA inside the domain clash, so he would fighting back against gojo with DA which would allow them to relative as I mentioned before, unlike meguna who turned of DA and was getting bum rushed by gojo, gojo cant bum rush him this time. Another fact, gojo stated that sukuna couldve turned to destory gojo's domain from the inside since it was weakened, but the fact that gojo stated this means that he would stop sukuna frok trying to do this. However, as stated by kashimo, sukuna is able to switch between DA and his CT (dismantle and cleave) instantaneous, so there are definitely moments where sukuna can land one quick shot on the inside barrier of gojo's domain, making it take less time than 3 mins for gojo's barrier to collaspe. If gojo needed a full 3 mins to dmg a sukuna that was fighting passive, turned off DA, and didnt attack the inside of the barrier while being able to spam his blue and red techniques, against a sukuna that is using DA which will help neutralize both blue and red, actively fighting back, and tries attacking the inside of the barrier when the opportunity that arises, gojo cant draw a clash against sukuna's domain, therefore, he would never land UV bc sukuna wouldnt have to recast his domain. Since we saw that dismantle bounces off infinity, he could shoot it at gojo and gojo knowing it wouldnt work just wouldnt care but then it would hit the barrier like sukuna wanted it too. To futher go over the evidence of sukuna being able to match gojo in h2h combat with DA active, chapter 224 was literally all about showing that they were equal, no explanation needed. In chapter 227, even when sukuna changed his strategy to only touching gojo instead of focusing on the fight, he was managing to keep up even tho he got hit once, it had no effect.
@@morganadaltress9036 your counterargument could be the fact that gojo "tanked" Maleovent Shrine in chapter 226, and yes that's true and it was extremely impressive. Although their are some other things that could happen for explain sukuna couldve been using cleave and dismantle himself on top of his domain already using it or he couldve used flame arrow, but even I dont think this wouldve worked bc applying more pressure to gojo during that moment, wouldve just let him figure out to heal his burnt CT quicker, so he would probably figure that out the first time he uses simple domain bc even tho simple domain will clash the slashes from the domain, it wont stop the ones sukuna is unleashes so he will try to find something else aka healing his burnt out ct. However, even tho gojo will survive that onslaught of slashing everytime be loses, eventually, he wont be able to use domain anymore and sukuna will kill him, and we know that sukuna would kill bc when gojo thought that it was over before we knew that sukuna getting hit by UV effected him too. So, in conclusion, I think thag yujikuna and meguna (not using 10S) can high diff gojo with his domain and true form/heian era sukuna can mid diff him. The reason why he didnt do this is bc he took a different, more risky strategy bc he wanted to make himself stronger make his own technique stronger aka the reality dismantle, he knew that only gojo could push mahoraga to show him something broken as hell bc basically only gojo could survive against a adapted mahoraga, everyone else gets cooked fr, sukuna wouldve gotten cooked by mahoraga if he didnt have that flame arrow thing which I beliece the anime shows quite well bc when sukuna saw mahoraga walking and regenerating from his domain, sukuna's smile changed to a straight face thinking "oh im cooked" but then he remembered the flame arrow and went to use it. Mahoraga is very powerful but against the stronger character it can be a handicapped if u gave 2 CT's that is, during his 3v1 against gojo, he couldnt attack gojo unless mahoraga attacked first which is a handicap, bc if gojo went to attack him, he couldnt do anything about it bc he cant touch him, sukuna couldnt active DA bc that wouldve unsummoned mahoraga, or atleast that makes sense to me but maybe thats not the case but it seems to be the case. Sukuna only wanting to make himself stronger is evident throughout the whole battle, he tells gojo at the start that he is a fish on his chopping board, implying that at the end of the fight he was going to kill him using his own slashes, he calls gojo ordinary when he was about to win from only using his domain bc gojo didnt push him, gojo hadnt pushed mahoraga to show him what he wanted so now he pissed, even in that moment when we all thought gojo had lost, sukuna still wanted to adapt to infinity even tho his domain would automatically neutralize infinity, which shows that his gameplan from the start was getting mahoraga to show him that reality slash.
@@morganadaltress9036 in all honesty Gojo is a defensive fighter all because of infinity, Sukuna couldn’t use his own CT cause of that very ability
Take away Gojos infinity and take away the 10S from Sukuna, Sukuna is winning that fight 10/10
I think it’s also fair to note that Heian form Sukuna is far stronger than Megkuna simply because of his extra hands and mouth
That doesn't matter. Gojo domain can defeat anyone irrespective of how strong they are. Just the amount of time differs. Without Mahoraga full power Sukuna will lose too
Narratively sukuna should of won
Realistically and logically gojo should have won
Cope
True
@@filthyvibes4768 sure "cope"🙄😒
@@Vic-lu6dk 💥
@SilentAgression1Tillion there us nothing logical about Gojo beating a 1000 year old demon god
Is the fraudulent one still the strongest?
1) Claims to be the strongest, and yet has won zero significant fights.
2) So desperate that he opens a fight with an ambush with two other sorcerers, and still did no permanent damage.
3) Can't even force the opponent to unleash his true form or reveal any hidden cursed techniques.
4) Did zero permanent damage
5) Gets one-hit killed.
6) Admits he was a fraud in the after-life
Anime's most laughable 'strongest' ever.
The funniest thing is that Gojo’s ego is what killed him. If he hadn’t had Yuji summon him the first time they met, Sukuna wouldn’t have had all that time to develop a counter measure against Limitless. If he fought Sukuna in Yuji’s body he really would’ve won but Sukuna still had Megumi’s inherited CT and the true body to worry about
You had amazing points but lost me at the end. From your own explanations it basically shows Gojo is just stronger. Also the other Transformation Sukuna did not heal his part of his brain that works the domain so your statement about he can just use his domain again is absurd also when Gojo healed himself it was stated he is now fully healed we can all agree yes Sukuna won the fight but not because he was stronger than Gojo but because that's the only way for the story to continue.
Bruh literally cut in half like a sandwich
The fandom: iS hE sTiLL tHE stRonGEst ?
I don't mind him loosing but the fact everyone is like "so what if it was off screen and seems like we missed a chapter. Sukuna is the strongest" i just hate how hype wins over quality in most things these days. Try that 10yrs ago during the Bleach/naruto hype and ppl would've ripped Gege a new one for that. I honestly don't mind him dying by any meams but bruh.......you put Gojo wins (the narrator says this look at the bubble) then next week ow he is in half on the ground.....like huh !?
The applications of Red, Blue and infinite void make Sense, but domain amplification is already BS, there is no explanation why infusing your hands with energy would bypass infinity, infinity is not a domain, it is a curse technique, the entire power system is deeply flawed, for example binding vow should not be so op or if that's so then just people like Kashimo should be able to reach their speed, the balance between non sorcerers and people like Toji or Maki is terribly executed and poorly explained there is no way someone could fight just with fist a person who can disintegrate them with a thought, and is unbelievable and non consistent specially for Itadori, Yuta has been selling smoke the whole manga etc, the lies about creating this All Might in Gojo set aside because Sukuna is the main villain is pathetic and of course the fact that Gojo won, and on top the revamp of the fight is proof that the writing was hidious, you cannot show Gojo wiping the floor with Sukuna being superior in techniques, adaptation, hand to hand, resource usage and management, application, combat IQ etc and then made him lie by saying that he was supposedly going to lose.
btw. sukuna can use domain amplification to hit gojo. why do you guys think sukuna cannot win without mahoraga? i mean just imagine when gojo relized that sukuna isn't fighting him back while he can fight gojo inside sukuna's domain expansion. sukuna also can chant and fight at the same time using domain amplification in his true form.
@@ProHero86 what?
@@Takatou__Yogiri lol I was talking outloud and I guess I hit record in my pocket
@@ProHero86 all hail pocket.
Make a How strong is Sukuna video again PLEASE ! ! !
I still don’t understand why gojo didn’t one shot maho with purple from the jump. He knew how maho worked more than Sakuna… Sakunas ct wouldn’t have adapted if he dealt with him quickly
Cuz it would be a boring writing choice, that’s the only reason lol
@@bessi142no. because he has to prepare it and by the time he does, Sukuna could have been able to spot it and manage to avoid it. Gojo had to distracted both Mahoraga and Sukuna, which he did. It's just that along the way Mahoraga showed Sukuna how to bypass Gojo curse energy to touch him. At this point, all Sukuna had to do was to wait and endure until Satoru to get too distracted, then cut him, which occured when he launched the limitless purple. It was a huge bet and he expected that he could have died, but THAT would have been a boring writing choice.
to be honest
the fact that Sukuna was about to die so early on the fight speaks volumes
(If Mahoraga wasn't there Sukuna would be forced to go back to his heian era form)
ofcourse Gojo still have alot of power left in him at that point and obviously Gojo would only need to land his domain faster again
even if Sukuna won in who gets to land domain expansion first we saw how fucking easy Gojo tanked that shit
and without mahoraga (Sukuna will have no space slicing technique)
all he can use is Domain expansion that can't even damage Gojo enough
Domain Amplication as we all saw Gojo still manhandles Sukuna in boxing match bro got knocked out by black flash and got saved by mahoraga again
there is literally no way for Sukuna to win without mahoraga
malevolent shrine isin't as strong as this video made it seem to be
theres a reason noone but me replied to this aboslute lunacy u typed up there
@@ceyuh its not a simple opinion or lunacy i am so sorry for offending you by typing whats written in the chapters the fucking manga itself that gave every detail, that the sukuna fandom decided to ignore right after gojo's death
there are alot of win cons that can be stated
Sukuna is alot weaker in heian era (compared to his current self while fighting gojo)
it has been stated numerous times sukuna fingers are getting stronger the more time passed
which means this aint just freakin sukuna with 20 fingers worth of his power now he is buffed to oblivion along with obtaining the perfect counter for limitless abilities
sukuna also make up for the missing finger by eating his mummified head sukuna was also being resourceful of what he successfully plundered, having megumi's soul to tank most of gojo's attack aswell as carefully switching to domain amp and the adaptation process
also sukuna already fucking knows every ability gojo have before the fight even start due to him observing inside itadori's body.
just shows how much of a goated ass villain he is compared to other villains who put their ego on the line and end up loosing, sukuna carefully planned everything since he know pure power won't work well against gojo
(he is basically stronger than gojo but gojo due to being carried by limitless and six eyes abilities is technically stronger)
example
Sukuna is physically stronger than gojo, but gojo seems like he still have the edge on fist fights, thats because every punch he lands is enchanced by blue as explained throughout the fight.
gojo's statement admitting sukuna is purely stronger is just him being generous enough of giving props due to his respect for sukuna for actually beating him, can't really be taken as a face value aswell
Since sukuna himself stated that he needed mahoraga to adapt and be his example ( he was being strategic )
i'm just telling shit how it is and your ego can't take a hit like a man.
it was not even meant to hate on your husbando named sukuna ryomen.
i'm basically just copy pasting whats written in the story
not to mention this video i just commented on is about how Sukuna solos makes sense that sukuna fans are the only once thats gonna check this video out, and i'm the only skeptic here.
@@ceyuh all i see is a bunch of copy pasted statements thats been further explained from the actual manga which you consider "Lunacy" since it contradicts the concept of your favorite character solos
i didin't mean copy paste too literally ofcourse i just meant its literally there sukuna himself is admitting that he needed mahoraga
precisely what separates him to other dumb super villains bro is actually strategic he has been gathering win cons before the whole fight even began
@@ceyuh but ofcourse if we compare the current revived sukuna + post mahoraga adaptation space cutting technique
gojo aint gonna be just Go/jo he would be erased from existence in a matter of seconds
Why do people keep calling current Sukuna heian era Sukuna as he is a lot stronger since back then shouldn’t it be something like true form Sukuna
The figh between gojo and sukuna was never on fair conditions. Yes sukuna killed gojo but the prep time and conditions he needed for doing that are just crazy and cant be ignored. Gojo vs Heian era Sukuna should be the real fight where both fight on similar conditions in a 1v1 and maybe sukuna would figure out another way but its just as likely that he might not. The fact is we dont KNOW FOR SURE cause the fight Gojo vs sukuna in the manga was basiacly Gojo vs Sukuna with prep time observing gojos attacks, abilities and his DE while in yujis body for quite a while and having Megumis abilities and SOUL to take the biggest hits. I hope Gojo comes back to fight sukuna again.
You're making it seem like gojo knew nothing about sukuna when that simply isn't the case... He knew about the ten shadows... He knew about sukuna... He even got filled in on what's been going on... You could actually argue sukuna didn't have any prep time... Considered he didn't really know about the limitless... Or blue,Or red or infinity really and has to kinda figure this stuff out mid fight... And by the end of the fight Gojo disregards all of that and just says sukuna was stronger than him and was a better fighter than he was while sukuna wasn't really going all out(You can interpret this statement however you want it doesn't really matter) and Gojo has six eyes which allows him to see cursed energy in very advanced ways... But he still said sukuna wasn't giving it his all... Which everyone watching the fight comments on... Even Gojo himself admitted a couple of times sukuna was going the harder route when destroying his DE... Or sukuna himself saying that he wasn't putting as much effort in as Gojo was...
@@nocomment6012 knowing about 10 shadows does nothing. Sukuna literly analysist everything gojo did while in yuji and had the time to observe and strategize everything.
It’s clear that gojo was lucky to have made it as far in the fight as he did. Sukuna would’ve won with or without 10s. The only thing that would’ve changed is the strategy he used to kill gojo as without 10s he would focus much more on winning and killing gojo in the domain clashes which he held back in. Rather than letting the fight draw out as a result of having the opportunity to massively upgrade himself. I’ll break it down for u so it’s clear, concise and understandable.
First we have the domain clashes, where sukuna opted to progress mahoragas adaption instead of using other ct's to damage gojo during the time periods where the sure hit effect was active which applies to any ct a sorcerer uses in the domain, after gojo's first two domain's collapsed. Which he talked about in the clash how it ended up working out. And we know the moves in sukuna's arsenal would at the very least do solid damage given we know sukuna's fire arrow does more damage than gojo's red.
As jogo was able to tank gojo's red with only a little damage, where as 15 finger sukuna's fire arrow one shot and disintegrated gojo. But other than that in the domain clashes, one of the biggest things I think points to gojo all in all being lucky to make it as far, is what happened with the unlimited void he managed to hit sukuna with, and what happened after the clashes.
And I’ll throw this in just because I see some people misunderstand it. But no megumi’s soul was not protecting sukuna’s by being hit by UV. They stated and explained it in the manga that the sure bite effects of MS and UV were cancelling eachother out on sukuna and gojo. But because of how gojo’s domain works it was all still hitting megumi. Sukuna just took advantage and put the wheel on him. But megumi’s soul was not blocking or tanking damage for sukuna, as either way even if he was gone he wouldn’t have been getting hit with MS.
After the clashes where gojo received brain damage from healing his burnt out ct with rct, and was left unable to cast his domain without dying. Sukuna was about to cast the enclosed domain and adapt to limitless completely as well as ending gojo right there. But sukuna also got brain damage, however his brain damage was from the one unlimted void he got hit with, not as a consequence of healing burn out, which means A LOT.
As this means the rest of the characters assumption that sukuna copied gojo and was healing his burnt out ct with rct was wrong. Which was implied after the clashes as well as sukuna knew ahead of time was gojo was doing and knew he wasn't going to be able to cast another domain. Then started explaining to gojo that healing his burnt out ct and brain isnt the same as healing flesh. Meaning he already knew about it, and the bigger thing is that he either was using a different method to heal his burnt out ct, or his ct was never fully burnt out, or burnt out at all. But this also means that if gojo didn't manage to hit sukuna with that one unlimited void, it would have been over for gojo right then. And gojo barely and narrowly managed to get that unlimited void off first.
In the clashes the only reason gojo was actually able to get it off first is because, he realized sukuna was intentionally going with a really defensive strat (to progress mahoraga's adaption, which gojo didn't know he was doing), which he was confused by and said it was way riskier than him just breaking the domain from within. But after realizing that gojo decided to take the 3 minute time window he had before his domain collapsed to try and do as much damage as he possibly could. Meanwhile sukuna intentionally was playing it defensively and intentionally tanking some attacks. Which was also stated in their fight. But all of that led to gojo just barely being able to do enough damage to delay sukuna from casting his domain by 0.01 seconds as stated in the manga.
So to sort of summarize and make it clearer if sukuna were fighting any differently during the domain clashes other than his chosen strat of playing it defensively and tanking hits, rather than breaking the domain from within. Gojo never hits him with the unlimited void, and subsequently this means that after the 5th domain clash where gojo gets brain damage, sukuna would actually be able to cast the enclosed domain, which means it would be over for gojo.
Secondly gojo's black flash amps restoring his ce output. During the fight gojo's ce reserves and output were getting massively drained and worn down, and it would've eventually left gojo in the circumstance where he would have no chance of doing enough damage to kill sukuna. But he got multiple black flashes off, which happen randomly and by luck/chance and only occur when a sorcerer is in the zone. Gojo can't manually create them whenever he wants, its out of his control. Meaning without them it again would've left gojo unable to kill sukuna and with sukuna winning.
Then there is the difference in just stats, sukuna outright has far more ce reserves, as yuta has double what gojo has, and sukuna has more than double what yuta has. All while at the same time sukuna is just as efficient as gojo with his ce. On top of having better knowledge and usage of rct than gojo. On top of sukuna showing to be the tankiest character in the entire verse, and far far far tankier than any other character we have seen.
And then the final sort of cherry on top and the other huge thing that I think makes it clear gojo would lose either way with or without mahoraga, is the fact he was holding his og form in his back pocket the entire time. Which fully healed his body, as well as replaced the megumi body with a stronger, faster, and more durable one with an extra set of arms. But on top of that fully restored his ce reserves, output, and his rct output, and allows him to use hand signs constantly, as well as incantations. Which is a massive buff as would've made it basically impossible for gojo to win the domain clashes, as it would mean he would match or do better than gojo in h2h combat, as well as make it so he always gets his domain off first, and anything he uses is buffed, as he always has the extra hands ready for signs, and the extra mouth constantly buffing things.
And his incantations could very well boost the power on his domain which appeared to be purposefully lowered by sukuna. As we know he can change the output on it as he did it much earlier in the series and talked about it. And cleave has the ability to be adjusted to match the targets ce, and durability in order to one shot. And we do know sukuna wanted to adapt to limitless before killing gojo. We know this because after the 5th domain clash where gojo got brain damage, and sukuna thought it was over he still stated he was going to cast the enclosed domain to first adapt to limitless, and then subsequently kill him. Keep in mind again this is when sukuna thought it was completely over for gojo, and that he could end it right there, yet still his primary objective was to adapt to limitless within the domain first then kill him.
And we know he wanted megumi because yuji’s body was like a cage for him. As it was outright stated even at 20 fingers yuji could completely contain sukuna. On top of that sukuna wanted megumi after seeing him for the first time and not even having knowledge of Mahoraga existing. And it was stated that most people can’t even actually be a vessel as they would die from ingesting a finger. But he saw megumi was one of the select people who could. Mahoraga was just an added bonus he found out about, and saw it could be used to further improve himself.
So all in all I think what gege showed is that the odds were heavily stacked against gojo in just about every regard with or without mahoraga. But given gojo's talent, and skill, with a bit of luck he was able to go the distance, and really give sukuna a good fight better than anyone else in the past 1000 years. But at the end of the day sukuna was still in an entirely different league above everyone including gojo.
@@sleepyking4558 bro wtf did yöu write here ? How tf do expect me to read all this lmao 😂 but the first sentence is already cause we cant expect shit lol sukuna never faught gojo without prep time or withough 10 shadows so your speculations are based in nothing 😂
@@rivarwayne8179 it’s English and a breakdown of the fight clearly showing how sukuna was up and he would’ve won with or without 10 shadows.
Just say ur smooth brained and illiterate and keep it pushing.