Top 10 Greatest Pitchers of All Time

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  • @mauricealexander9975
    @mauricealexander9975 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    A top 10 with a closer and no Greg Maddux is inexcusable, idc that TH-cam removed it or whatever put him on the darn list.

    • @thebaseballcenter
      @thebaseballcenter  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ?? I said he was on the list. Not my fault youtube wants to annoying. And mariano belongs on the list idc what anyone says he was so dominant for so long and he was elite in the postseason.

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with the closer thing....Maddux, wasn't really a money pitcher....11-14, slightly higher E.R.A.....one WS, with all those Braves teams of the 90's....I'll pass on Maddux as my go to guy in a big game.....Nolan Ryan, I'll also pass on for the big game.....I'll go with Schilling, Pedro, Johnson, Seaver....Maddux, would make my top 100 pitchers, and be between 90-100!!

    • @JosephEshleman
      @JosephEshleman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Here is my top 14 so I will include another member of the top ten. And I will put in where I put other members whose membership in the top ten is inexcusable.
      PEAK-5 ROTC GOAT
      SCORE
      1. Walter Johnson 395 388 783
      2. Lefty Grove 379 392 771
      3. Roger Clemens 368 395 763
      4. Randy Johnson 381 378 759
      5. Cy Young 371 384 755
      6. Pedro Martinez 380 371 751
      7. Pete Alexander 377 372 749
      8. Tom Seaver 350 376 726
      9. Kid Nichols 340 383 723
      10. Greg Maddux 367 351 718
      11. Christy Mathewson 366 346 712
      12. Curt Schilling 349 361 710
      13. Clayton Kershaw 344 349 693
      14. Bob Gibson 362 322 684
      65. Sandy Koufax 355 125 480
      66. Ron Guidry 250 229 479
      66. Mark Buehrle 155 324 479
      68. Eddie Cicotte 276 202 478
      69. Noodles Hahn 312 165 477
      70. Nolan Ryan 163 313 476
      Now even here there are a couple older guys, but Young and Nichols were the first "modern pitchers." And their entire careers are in context The rating for peak is based on a long formula for the five years. Notice Koufax's peak is rated very high and Ryan's very low by these standard and then vice-versa.. Nolan Koufax would have been about 15th and filled the next spot.
      Also, I am not a purist. I do not simply count only innings pitched as a starter, but I would not put a pure reliever in the top ten. It suffices to say that Mariano Rivera was the greatest relief pitcher in MLB history and thus the GOAT of that herd.

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Greg Maddux, belongs on no top ten lists...

    • @TeQuantumR6
      @TeQuantumR6 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tedsilversyeager840he is in the hall of fame and there are only 84 pitchers in the hall of fame.

  • @HarveyMeadowlark
    @HarveyMeadowlark ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Found this channel by mistake, but I enjoy it very much. Your videos are outstanding

  • @chrissheridan8544
    @chrissheridan8544 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for showing a pic of Maddux!

  • @johnuthus531
    @johnuthus531 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Missing Christy Mathewson, Lefty Grove, and Satchel Paige. Also, Nolan Ryan is credited with a save in the 1969 World Series with the Mets. He most definitely has a ring.

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Satchel Page? You kidding?

    • @JosephEshleman
      @JosephEshleman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly, this is a decent list with a couple horrible flaws. Grove is the worst omission.. Most serious: experts always the Grove very high, but that is people who know what the are doing. He had nine ERA titles and nine ERA+ titles as well as 300 wins and he is the only pitcher in modern history post 1920) to have two five year peaks above a 40 WAR (1929-33 and 1935-1939. The 12 pitchers who had WARS over 40 for five years since 1920 besides Grove are Bob Feller (1939-47), Hal Newhouser (1944-48), Robin Roberts (1950-54, Sandy Koufax (1962-66), Bob Gibson (1968-72), Tom Seaver (1971-75), Phil lNiekro (1974-78), Roger Clemens (1986-90), Greg Maddux (1992-1996, Pedro Martinez (1992-96). Randy Johnson (1998-2002)
      Oh Nolan Ryan's best five year peak between 1973-77 was 27.5, was 60th best of the post 1920 era. By these standards Ryan is a joke. He belongs in the HOF for his unique accomplishments but he is no more the G.O.A.T than I am.
      And Satchel Paige was amazing, In 474 innings in the MLB he had a 10.2 WAR and showed dominance when he helpedthe Cleveland Indians win the 1948 World Series. He MLB career spanned 42-47 with and exhibition when he was 59. He is most deserving .

    • @JosephEshleman
      @JosephEshleman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It had an extreme contemporary or recency biais

  • @george1654
    @george1654 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Maddux should be on that list!

  • @jamisonweaver3711
    @jamisonweaver3711 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Bob Gibson. Man. Love this guy. He hit a batter in an old-timers game for something that happened 10 years prior. Look that story up.

  • @BigBossCQCLegend
    @BigBossCQCLegend ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Steve Carlton and Greg Maddux are Missing

  • @quinnerlandsen8550
    @quinnerlandsen8550 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, man, keep up the great work!🎉

  • @andrewlimoli5053
    @andrewlimoli5053 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If I'm playing one game for all the marbles I want Koufax on the mound...the GOAT IMHO...

  • @haresear126
    @haresear126 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wow not a mention of Steve Carlton. Maybe he didn`t make your list but at least an honorable mention?

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, Lefty, like many of his era threw over 300 innings a couple times, led the league in innings pitched 5 times, played for sh!t phillies teams his first few years after his trade from Cards, won over 300 games, could hit, field, and finish the game.....Dave Parker, would shake in his cleats knowing Lefty's slider was coming....oh, and I think he won 4 Cy awards?? In 72, he won 27 games out of the phillies 59 wins.....that's incredible, actually....and completed 30 games, yes, completed 30 games....nowadays, if the superstar pitcher makes it to 200 IP, it's lauded as something special......phew......

  • @dakidd84
    @dakidd84 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just because a trophy was named after Cy Young is a pretty weak argument. With no video or any other evidence, seems pretty silly. Geg Maddux should definitely be on this list over a closer. Maddux was so smart and pin point accuracy. I don't feel a closer should be on this list at all. Just my opinion but I'm right. LOL!

    • @thebaseballcenter
      @thebaseballcenter  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, the Greg Maddux part of the video got cut because youtube is annoying, but he was number 5 on this list. Also thank you for your feedback!

    • @RichardGrenier-u2z
      @RichardGrenier-u2z หลายเดือนก่อน

      The man won 509 games. He was doing something right.

  • @josephmolina03
    @josephmolina03 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video my guy. I would have to disagree with number 1 even though you hold a point. I would give that title to no other than… Satchel Paige. The man pitched into his 50’s and was Dominating. Completely amazing!

    • @thebaseballcenter
      @thebaseballcenter  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great take. Satchel Paige is a legend!

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thebaseballcenter Satchel Paige is a sentimental pick for obvious reasons. He makes no ones' list except for the PC crowd. He won, according to unreliable stats, 124 games, and his 162 average W/L record is just that, average......judge him on his merit, not by the color of his skin, and anecdotal stories...he was dominant to the point of having a losing record at the MLB level 28-31....so the "great take Satchel Paige is a legend" is just that, a legend!

    • @JosephEshleman
      @JosephEshleman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tedsilversyeager840 Satchel Paige ha a 124 ERA+ and a 10/2 WAR in 474 innings form ages 42-47. IN his first two staarts with the 1948 cleveland Kindians he shut out the Chcago White Sox twice. You are right about the terrible record keeping in the NeL, But it was not his fault, nd it was not his fault that major league teams and moronic executives like Judge Ladis kep the NeL players like Paige out. HIw 28-31 record was because he pitched for the St ouis Browns, the worst team in baseball.

  • @joshbailey7775
    @joshbailey7775 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Nolan ryan was on the 69 mets that won.

  • @ianmason2003
    @ianmason2003 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Greg Maddox and Roger Clemons.

    • @thebaseballcenter
      @thebaseballcenter  ปีที่แล้ว

      TH-cam made me remove the greg maddox part and Clemons is disqualified for steriod use.

    • @ianmason2003
      @ianmason2003 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thebaseballcenter why would they make you remove him?
      As with bonds, steroids didn’t make these two unlike other players. They were hall of famers without question before they gave in and drank the koolaid.

  • @williammerne8510
    @williammerne8510 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wasn't Nolan Ryan on the roster of the "69 World Champion Mets?

    • @haroldsmyth6685
      @haroldsmyth6685 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He got a save one game inworld series

  • @cameronmcanally5977
    @cameronmcanally5977 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good list

  • @anthonyvillaman2805
    @anthonyvillaman2805 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    nolan ryan did win 1 world series, good list though

  • @michaelthunderhawk6128
    @michaelthunderhawk6128 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You Really Have Mariano Rivera At Number 3 ALL TIME. He Is Just A Closer, Only Works 3 Outs. I Guess You Never Heard Of Rodger Clemens With The MOST CY YOUNG Awards At 7. Or Greg Maddox But You Choose A Relief Pitcher At #3. God Speed Bro😎🙏💯

  • @williamzame3708
    @williamzame3708 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yaz played for Boston in the AL; Gibson pitched for St Louis in the NL.

  • @stevesteve788
    @stevesteve788 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pedro
    Johnson
    Clemens
    Maddux
    Koufax
    Honorable mentions:
    Seaver
    Walter Johnson
    Kershaw
    Gibson
    Carlton
    Ryan

  • @davidsecord6412
    @davidsecord6412 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ryan deserves to be on this list. I've had the chance to meet Nolan Ryan, when they opened Whataburger Field in Corpus Christi, Texas, which is one of his properties. Nice guy.

  • @jaredklein8863
    @jaredklein8863 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    No Greg Maddux? No, not a solid list, at all.

  • @marccomport6750
    @marccomport6750 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow, no Greg Maddux Maddux’s top five

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 ปีที่แล้ว

      Walter Johnson, and Cy Young, should be on the deadball era list.....this guy is guessing about how good they were, no video, etc.....I don't agree with your Maddux pick.....

  • @harryadams1618
    @harryadams1618 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Steve Carlton! (Lefty) 10× All-Star (1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1977, 1979-1982)
    2× World Series champion (1967, 1980)
    4× NL Cy Young Award (1972, 1977, 1980, 1982)
    Triple Crown (1972)
    Gold Glove Award (1981)
    4× NL wins leader (1972, 1977, 1980, 1982)
    NL ERA leader (1972)
    5× NL strikeout leader (1972, 1974, 1980, 1982, 1983)
    Philadelphia Phillies No. 32 retired
    Philadelphia Phillies Wall of Fame

  • @JohnKoziol-x7x
    @JohnKoziol-x7x หลายเดือนก่อน

    Max Sherzer, Steve Carlton, Phil Niekro, “Satchel” Page, Bob Feller, Lefty Grove, Charles “Kid” Nichols, Mordecai “Three Finger” Brown, Jim Palmer, Tom Seaver, “Big Ed” Walsh, Cy Young, Justin Verlander, “Rube” Waddell, Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, and Juan Marichal are just some more to consider that I can think of off the top of my head. Also, I think Pedro Martinez could be higher on the list. This is just my opinion. Yes, I am a Red Sox fan but I try to be as objective as poossible when I make such selections. Even the “‘Roids Boys” couldn’t touch him.

  • @lambo58
    @lambo58 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was that supposed to be Walter Johnson a left-handed picture?

  • @lilzae4848
    @lilzae4848 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dam Bob Gibson R.I.P at 10 😢

  • @jamesrichardson381
    @jamesrichardson381 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Should probably have done a once over through some historical list to make sure you didn't forget someone, like I don't know...Greg Maddux! When I got through the first half I wasn't surprised you hadn't listed him yet because he's much better than that and thought for sure he would be #1. It's pretty crazy not to have what many, many people considered the greatest ever. If anyone thinks Cy Young is the best ever they clearly have holes in their baseball knowledge. The guy pitched in an era where most of the batters he was facing had other jobs and it was much, much easier back when he played. He had a lot of wins but he also had a shitload of losses. Just because the award for best pitcher each year is named after him doesn't mean he is the best ever, it just means he was really good as one of the best known earliest pitchers.

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, I guess this guy just thought he had to, because the award is named after him, it was also the dead ball era, balls, were beat to death, and kept in the game, hitters were hitting sponge balls, same with Walter Johnson....he's guessing at his greatness....maybe, have a list of best deadball era pitchers, vs. a more modern list of pitchers.....Lefty Carlton wasn't too bad either....

    • @tien315
      @tien315 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He put him in the video, TH-cam just copyright claimed the part of the video. He literally explained that

  • @geert574
    @geert574 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Spahn, Carlton, Clemens, Glavine by merit of being good at bat too. Seaver needs to be a lot higher and Cy Young is the plumber era c'mon these 19th century guys would be embarrassed today

    • @TheDondajonhon46
      @TheDondajonhon46 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't take the "plumber" argument seriously, it's just a low IQ analysis. The greats of the past still had to put the work in to dominate their eras. They also did not have the modern luxuries and privalages of these new players. If these modern players are so great, why do we have to disrespect the past in order to praise them? We souldn't have to do that.

  • @robertreddy9459
    @robertreddy9459 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Uhhhh... Greg Maddux was a fucking wizard. Make an addendum after some research, and maybe ill follow

  • @SteveLivolsi-t8z
    @SteveLivolsi-t8z 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you put Koufax at number 5 your list is wrong. Koufax was the best pitcher ever. No one was close.

    • @JerryMcManus-s8o
      @JerryMcManus-s8o 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      idk how you came to that. MAYBE Grover Alexander had a better 5 year run willing almost 100 games in 3 years

  • @Grumpy08
    @Grumpy08 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Randy at 7 is criminal. Great video though.

  • @GeorgeMain-y4x
    @GeorgeMain-y4x หลายเดือนก่อน

    he won a world series with the 69 mets.

  • @chrishiggins8614
    @chrishiggins8614 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Whitey Ford.

  • @nicksunfortune5718
    @nicksunfortune5718 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maddux

  • @PierluigiBonardi
    @PierluigiBonardi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yaz was in the American League so Bob Gibson never pitched against him in the regular season.
    You could really put these 10 pitchers in any order.

  • @c-payneyt3752
    @c-payneyt3752 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m a new sub and I play MLB the show a lot and I use Mario Mariana Rivera and I was wondering why the cutter was his main pitch and nobody could hit it😂 at least it’s just a dominant pitch for him

  • @JosephEshleman
    @JosephEshleman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Whatever way you did this list it definitely is not the best way to do it. I am just going to use one stat for all ten of these guys to show Lefty Grove is better than all but one
    Grove versus Gibson: Grove had nine ERA titles to Gibson's one. Grove had a 113.3 bWAR in 3940.2 innings; Gibson had 81.7 in 3884 innings.
    Grove versus Seaver: Grove led the league in ERA nine times to Seaver's three. In 842 more innings than Grove Seaver had a 7.2 lower bWAR and he had a 1.27 ERA+ to Grove's 148. Also I have Seaver number eight (8) on my list, but no match for Grove.
    Grove versus Pedro Martinez: Grove won nine ERA titles to Martinez five they happen to have both pitched 2827 innings, Martinez in his career Grove in 11 seasons from 1928-39 (excluding a sore arm in 1934 Here is comparison for the 2827 innings:
    .............................Grove....Martinez
    Win-Lost Recprd..235-82.....219-100
    ERA........................2.73.......2.93
    ERA+......................168........154
    ERA titles..................8............5
    WAR........................95.7.......86.1
    WAR oer 250............846......7.61
    Grove versus Randy Johnson: Grove had a 9.8 advantage o WAR over Johnson 113.3 to 103.5 in 195 fewer innings. This is a list of the top 20pitchers all time on Black Ink (finishing first in the league) in the crucial categories of Wins, Winning Percentage, ERA, ERA+ Strikeouts, Strikeouts per game (SPG) (FIP (fielding independent pitching) WHIP, SO/Walk ratio and WAR for pitchers; Here is the list.
    ..............................W.W%. ER..A. ERA+ SO.SPG FIP.WHIP SO/W WAR/P
    ........................................................................................Black Ink Tot
    Walter Johnson 6 2 5 6 12 7 6 9 7 9 69
    Lefty Grove 4 5 9 9 7 5 8 5 8 8 68
    Roger Clemens 4 3 7 8 5 3 8 3 4 7 52
    Randy Johnson 1 4 4 6 9 9 6 3 1 6 49
    Chrty Mathewson 4 1 5 6 4 1 8 4 9 5 47
    Satchel Paige 1 3 3 2 5 8 6 6 9 2 45
    Dazzy Vance 2 0 3 3 7 8 7 3 8 4 45
    Cy Young 5 2 2 2 2 0 7 7 11 6 44
    Pete Alexander 6 1 5 4 6 2 4 5 3 6 42
    Pedro Martinez 1 3 5 5 3 5 5 6 4 3 40
    Sandy Koufax 3 2 5 2 4 6 6 4 3 2 37
    Tom Seaver 3 1 3 3 5 6 4 3 3 3 34
    Rube Waddell 1 1 2 3 6 8 5 1 1 3 31
    Nolan Ryan 0 0 2 2 11 12 1 2 1 0 31
    Clayton Kershaw 3 1 5 4 3 2 2 4 2 3 29
    Greg Maddux 4 1 4 5 0 0 4 4 3 3 28
    Justin Verlander 4 3 2 3 5 1 0 4 3 3 28
    Carl Hubbell 3 2 3 3 1 1 1 6 5 2 27
    Bob Feller 6 1 1 0 7 5 1 2 1 3 27
    Warren Spahn 8 1 3 2 4 0 1 4 0 1 24
    Now Randy Johnson i a first rate HOFer and deserving to be higher on the list, but not as
    high as Grove
    Grove versus Koufax: Koufax had a 53.1 WAR for his career in 2324.1 innings; Grove had 53.1 for WAR in 1683.2 innings from 1928-33. For the rest of his career Grove had 60.2 WAR in 2257 innings. And Grove had almost twice the Black Ink as Koufax and a 148 ERA+ to Koufax's 131.
    Walter Johnson should probably be number one and Lefty Grove number two.
    Mariano is a releif pitcher an there are probably four or five guys on this list of ten that would have been better reliever than Rivera, though hs is the relief GOAT
    Nolan Ryan on a top ten list is a joke.
    Cy Young was a great pitcher an deservs to be in the top ten, but the first great pitchers in baseball history was Kid Nichols; Cy Young was better but came a year or so later.

  • @jahprime6932
    @jahprime6932 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pedro is number 1. 2 through 10 is up to you.

  • @stephenrush1590
    @stephenrush1590 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Too bad a "top ten" list has only 10 spaces, but one pitcher who often gets overlooked in lists like this is Juan Marichal, one of the greatest of all time.

  • @TradingPantheonNasirTrades
    @TradingPantheonNasirTrades 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No Clayton kershaw is crazy bro

  • @eleazarlabriola5653
    @eleazarlabriola5653 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Correction; Nolan Ryan won the World Series with the 69 Mets!!

  • @NickWard-f6l
    @NickWard-f6l หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought Nolan Ryan won a world series in 69 with the Mets

  • @GusMcGee1
    @GusMcGee1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nolan Ryan won the World Series with the Mets

  • @leftlovers9137
    @leftlovers9137 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    bro literally was looking for a video without an AI voice i skipped like 3 other ones to find yours and you were over here asking your fans if they wanted you to ditch the AI voice. i'm subscribed now and can't wait for you to make more content. maybe a video about my brewers if you haven't lately? thanks!

    • @leftlovers9137
      @leftlovers9137 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I selected all notifications

  • @yb-rk5oh
    @yb-rk5oh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Johnson was a right hander

  • @MichaelHarris-zx7vl
    @MichaelHarris-zx7vl หลายเดือนก่อน

    Christy Matheson

  • @hp7639
    @hp7639 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guy is wrong. He didn't throw his cutter that often 😅 Just a quick search tells you that about Rivera.

  • @MrDirtyolman25
    @MrDirtyolman25 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m switching Pedro out and switching in Satiel Paige.

  • @theone642
    @theone642 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lol pedro at 8.

  • @salvadormacias8176
    @salvadormacias8176 ปีที่แล้ว

    And greg maddux..

  • @colinchesbrough5772
    @colinchesbrough5772 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No Maddux, no Clemens, no sense

  • @cdsutton5470
    @cdsutton5470 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video but
    Why is Steve Carlton consistently left off these lists? How many of these 1/4 billion dollar FNGs have ever thrown a complete game? Or hit a GS?
    NONE?

  • @lawrencearmstrong8957
    @lawrencearmstrong8957 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Greg maddux is better than half the players on that list!

  • @RichardGrenier-u2z
    @RichardGrenier-u2z หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only big issue I have is the inclusion of Mariano Rivera. Every relief pitcher is a failed starter. And Rivera was no different. Some others that could have been considered are Christy Mathewson, Satchel Paige, Bob Feller and Lefty Grove.

  • @controlclerk
    @controlclerk ปีที่แล้ว

    No Maddux?

  • @sambarnard9628
    @sambarnard9628 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is no way Pedro was better than Bob Gibson. Also, Greg Maddox has more wins than ANY PITCHER FROM THE MODERN ERA. He has more wins than Rocket, yet he never used performance enhancing drugs. Nuff said...

  • @jamalama5548
    @jamalama5548 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would take Maddox over Martinez and Seaver any day of the week.

  • @toddfaulkner1194
    @toddfaulkner1194 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ryan won a Series his rookie year with the Miracle Mets. And yes, you’re wrong. He’s number one, even with no “Greatest Cy Young” award. Do you think Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time? Just because an award is named something because they were there the earliest to do it doesn’t mean they’re the best.

    • @JosephEshleman
      @JosephEshleman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cy Young and Bill Russell were both better at their respective sports than Nolan Ryan who is without question the most over-rated pitcher in MLB history

    • @haroldsmyth6685
      @haroldsmyth6685 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Says you

  • @hushpuckena126
    @hushpuckena126 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No Mathewson or Grove?
    This is laughable.

  • @christiansoldier77
    @christiansoldier77 ปีที่แล้ว

    You skipped number 6 LOL 🤣😂😁

    • @thebaseballcenter
      @thebaseballcenter  ปีที่แล้ว

      TH-cam made me remove that part it's very dumb.

  • @DaveYeapz
    @DaveYeapz 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Those are great pitchers but I don’t agree on some of them you don’t have years decades and it’s just not enough of substance

  • @samgilpin9007
    @samgilpin9007 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There’s no way Nolan Ryan was better than Seaver,Gibson and Koufax.

  • @Thomas-lc3hi
    @Thomas-lc3hi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    New religion could ever be better than Sandy, Steve Carlton or Greg Maddox

  • @reyjavi9060
    @reyjavi9060 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No Greg Maddux? Then I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about, period.

  • @tfurious4
    @tfurious4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not a bad list but id pit roger clemens instead of perdro he simply had better stats and more success

  • @jellomarx
    @jellomarx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You lose your credibility with Ryan . He was a compiler. You made second,he wasn’t always as high as second on his team. Certainly not in his leagues. In the AL Palmer was always better. In the NL Seaver, Gibson, marichal, Jenkins were all better than. Ryan has the sexy stats.

    • @JosephEshleman
      @JosephEshleman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Absolutely. If adding Ryan was a joke then in one sense it was funny, but that man does not deserve to be in any top ten except the ten most over-rated players in MLB history.

    • @jareddanielcunanan4303
      @jareddanielcunanan4303 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes Nolan was a compiler but when talking about the most dominant pitcher of all time Nolan has the:
      Most strikeouts
      5th of all time in innings pitched
      Fewest hits given up every 9 innings by any pitcher
      Most no hitters
      Most one hitters
      Most two hitters
      Most three hitters
      324 career wins
      (He only lost 292 games because in all the teams he played he had no fucking run support he kept losing games where he legit gave up 1-2 runs, pitching thr entire game and lost because the offense couldn’t score.

    • @haroldsmyth6685
      @haroldsmyth6685 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@JosephEshlemansays you opinion

    • @haroldsmyth6685
      @haroldsmyth6685 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@JosephEshlemangee ryan always pitched against other teams ace. Whats up wit that?😅

  • @davidmartinez2833
    @davidmartinez2833 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I realize any top ten list is one persons opinion and is subjective. You can argue Clemens is out because of steroids but leaving Maddux off is blasphemy. This list is weak AF

  • @ReactionShot
    @ReactionShot 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nolan Ryan not having a Cy Young Award is like Stanley Kubrick not having an Academy Award. Injustice.

  • @TK0_23_
    @TK0_23_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow. It's difficult to tell what criteria you are using. But your knowledge of how a pitcher prevents runs is severly lacking. We have a lot of statistical tools in our bag now, but counting stats is not one that is relied on. Young and Ryan? No. Just no.
    My #1 is Pedro. His 7 year stretch from 1997-2003 he carried a 2.20 ERA. Right in the middle of the steroid era when offenses exploded.
    Nolan Ryan... When will you people learn.

    • @christiansoldier77
      @christiansoldier77 ปีที่แล้ว

      @TK0_23_3 Best pitcher was Koufax then Johnson and then Pedro

    • @TK0_23_
      @TK0_23_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christiansoldier77 Bill James did a great comparison between Pedro and Kofax. Pedro won. Remember, Pedro pitched in the steroid era. But taking Sandy first is no crime. Incredible talent.

    • @christiansoldier77
      @christiansoldier77 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TK0_23_ Koufax played in a more offensive era . Plus he pitched way more innings and complete games so he had more quality wins than pedro who would just pitch 5 or 6 innings and get a win So clearly Koufax was better

    • @deaton1951de
      @deaton1951de ปีที่แล้ว

      Warren Spahn. Thirteen 20 win seasons. Lost 4 years during the WWII. I tip my hat to him.

  • @RileyReneau
    @RileyReneau 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for no AI voice. I click off immediately if I hear AI voice.

  • @williamzame3708
    @williamzame3708 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A list of the ten greatest pitchers that does not include Lefty Grove is a joke.

    • @Stratman1512
      @Stratman1512 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with you

  • @christiansoldier77
    @christiansoldier77 ปีที่แล้ว

    You cant have Mariano on list for starting pitchers . The best Closer for me is Dennis Eckersley

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rivera, a big no....not even close.....for a reliever, okay, but not on this list...1283 IP, that's 4 years of Carlton IP.....

  • @johnciummo3299
    @johnciummo3299 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can be serious with list. You left off Warren Spahn. He won 363 games and a career ERA of 3.09. He had 13 twenty games seasons. He lost three years off of his young career serving in the Army in WW 2. Spahn served as Combat Engineer and was awarded the Silver Star and the Purple Heart. If not for those years in the Army he more than likely would have won 400 games. 363 wins versus 245 losses.

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 ปีที่แล้ว

      The service is not important to this list....it's not a sentimental, he served, he deserves list....but, that being said, yes, he is deserving, as a pitcher, not as an army veteran.....

    • @JosephEshleman
      @JosephEshleman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tedsilversyeager840 Perhaps. But tell me with a straight face that Spahn was not a much better pitcher than Ryan. Warren Spahn was one of the finest lefties of all time behind only Lefty Grove then Randy Johnson and Clayton Kerhaw.

    • @tedsilversyeager840
      @tedsilversyeager840 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JosephEshleman Don't know, I only saw Spahn pitch at the very end of his career, but, that being said, I'd go with him, you're right! Kershaw would not make my top tier list, Johnson would, along with "Lefty".....and Maddox wouldn't make my list either.....

  • @mightya
    @mightya หลายเดือนก่อน

    Steve Carlton? Your list is asinine.

  • @christiansoldier77
    @christiansoldier77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ryan is nowhere near top ten all time

  • @masonrahal6980
    @masonrahal6980 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really bad picks. Truthfully.

  • @Draper1217
    @Draper1217 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’d have Pedro higher on the list considering he was facing batters at the peak of the steroid era.

  • @KerryLanier-fr7rz
    @KerryLanier-fr7rz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rayn did in 1969 with the mets😅