Great Review! Your content has enormous value because you have ridden these bikes-motors yourself, nothing beats personal experience. Thanks! 👍 Sound was weaker than normal but very good nevertheless (and I don't have such good hearing), watched it on my laptop.
Great review, helps a lot in deciding my next eMB. Currently I have Shimano e8000 was looking at Bosch/Trek but will go for the Giant with Yamaha motor next for the value for money.
Just Amazing !!!!! A video I was really looking for a long time. The information you provided was priceless!!!! Really appreciate all your videos as they contain lots of information for someone like me whose planning to go for an E Bike as my next bike to my collection. Thanks a lot Sam.... Keep up your good work as always !
I like these kinds of comparisons! But I do wish that more reviewers would include the dyname 4.0 motor. Just got myself a Rocky mountain altitude, and love it!
Thanks for the summary! I have a Trance E+0 and even with the 625 whr battery, it’s so efficient that I don’t think I need a larger one. I’m getting about 2000ft of climbing with the auto mode on and still have almost 90% battery. The bike itself is just plain awesome and I’m happy that I didn’t t pay the bigger bucks for the Levo.
Double that the sound is broken. Okay on phone and iPad (but not good), same on Apple TV when sound output is on the tele, but almost completely silent when sound output is on Home Pod Mini. Maybe this helps. It also could be that the TH-cam algorithm put out the vid too early, it’s only 720p. Maybe shit heals itself by tomorrow.
The EMTB mode on the Bosch is a game changer for me. Just choose EMTB and the motor give you what you need, if you dont need much it dials it back. BTW I have 3 mates with Specialized bikes, gen 1 2 and 3, all have issues, dead batteries, broken power cables and lattterly dead TCU. The Gen 1 owner has 5 dead batteries in his collection. All have been left stranded.
I’ve just got my crafty r. It’s definitely got a clunk down hill. Wondering if it’s the battery but as it’s fixed so not sure how involved an investigation will be to get the motor off and have a look. Edit! Just remembered I upgraded to rattling xt finned pads. Need them out so I can isolate. 👍🏻
Hi Sam. Nice video. Have you ever tried KTM bikes? I think that KTM Kapoho Prestige is very interesting bike. In top soec 9000€ with Bosch, 750Wh, XTR, Mullet
Thanks! I wonder if the EP8 gets updates thru the year? I just got a Canyon ON CF8 and the motor is awfully quiet, uphill or downhill............none of this clunking I hear about. The thing rips, loves going fast on tight trail.
Need to remedy your Audio. And what is the problem with no one comparing Dyname or Bafang, to The Top 4 brands? My Bafang M510 with a 700 watt battery, is a powerhouse for climbs and is lightning on city bike paths. Best is the maintenance/component costs. Very maintenance free after six-months of use(straight through a entire Winter season), and no issues. Like all TH-cam bike reviews, they only concentrate on what the top one-percent can actually afford. Us little people, don't mattter.
I went through 6 motors on my 2019 Levo never getting more than 900km out of a motor. I have had my Trance for 7 months now riding 1,400km problem free so Giant and Yamaha get my vote. In my opinion Specialized is over rated and over priced. I was so happy the day I sold my Lemon Levo.
@@2011buddylee It makes no sense does it, was it my riding style that killed the motors or was my Levo just a lemon? I am riding my Trance harder than I rode my Levo and it does not have a problem. Time will tell I guess.
Hey Sam, thanks for all the awesome and super helpful videos you make! I've got a question not really relating to motors, but I'm debating right now between the 2022 Trek rail 7, (so with the same geo as 2021) and the 2022 specialized Turbo levo comp alloy. Which of these do you think handles better? Cheers!
Hey Gabriel thanks for the kind words! Both the Rail and the Levo are amazing bikes, I personally feel the Levo is more versatile and more capable as stock but the rail can be pimped up like Rob has done! Hard decision out right speed the rail is faster but the Levo is more fun!
I have put a deposit on 2022 trek rail 7 .the shop I deal with is a trek and giant dealer. I like the simpler look of the prion display did a lot of looking on the net.bikes eta mid september
Your audio is messed up through air pods, i thought they were broken but i watch other videos and they are fine, the audio without airpods is fine but with airpods you cant even hear your voice
The price level of Giant Bikes exposes the absurd margins other companies use on their pricing. you basically get the same bike for half the price. Then again, even at that level E bikes cost a lot compared to let say a motorbike.
You can't imagine that secondhand emtb with a medium build has the same price with a brand-new motorbike,the latter contains more components and require more complex way to be manufacture d. let's turn about it and the answer is ridiculous!😢
It's absurd that a so-called expert doesn't understand battery capacity vs power. Battery capacity is measured in watt-hours, not watts which is a measure of power and seldom quoted for batteries except when talking about raw cells. Watt-hours is what you should talk about for ebike batteries just like electric car batteries are quoted in kilowatt-hours.
Great Review! Your content has enormous value because you have ridden these bikes-motors yourself, nothing beats personal experience. Thanks! 👍
Sound was weaker than normal but very good nevertheless (and I don't have such good hearing), watched it on my laptop.
Thanks for all the work. Great comparison.
Thanks mate
Great review, helps a lot in deciding my next eMB. Currently I have Shimano e8000 was looking at Bosch/Trek but will go for the Giant with Yamaha motor next for the value for money.
Just Amazing !!!!! A video I was really looking for a long time. The information you provided was priceless!!!! Really appreciate all your videos as they contain lots of information for someone like me whose planning to go for an E Bike as my next bike to my collection. Thanks a lot Sam.... Keep up your good work as always !
Hey mate thanks for the kind words, any questions just ask
Sounds good on my phone my love. By the way, great video!!!!
Great work Sam, Thanks. !!
Thanks Deano!
I like these kinds of comparisons!
But I do wish that more reviewers would include the dyname 4.0 motor. Just got myself a Rocky mountain altitude, and love it!
I love it too, but it's tough to get hold of one to review.
Yes. I believe it will be my first e bike. If I am going motor- the 4.0 seems to be the best.
Thanks for the summary! I have a Trance E+0 and even with the 625 whr battery, it’s so efficient that I don’t think I need a larger one. I’m getting about 2000ft of climbing with the auto mode on and still have almost 90% battery. The bike itself is just plain awesome and I’m happy that I didn’t t pay the bigger bucks for the Levo.
Thanks for the kind words and yes the range on the trance is very good!
Double that the sound is broken. Okay on phone and iPad (but not good), same on Apple TV when sound output is on the tele, but almost completely silent when sound output is on Home Pod Mini. Maybe this helps. It also could be that the TH-cam algorithm put out the vid too early, it’s only 720p. Maybe shit heals itself by tomorrow.
Thanks for the kind words it really means a lot so much thought and energy goes into these videos so I’m stocked people like them!
Seems that the talking is mono in left speaker, with only a right headphone u can't hear him talk..
Riders really sorry I had to take down this video yesterday because of an audio problem. Please let me know if you have questions.
Mate, there is still sound problem.
@@tsalesto what is the problem? It sounds fine on my laptop and computer? Can you understand what I’m staying how bad is the sound out of 10?
@@SamsBikes I cannot hear anything you say really, just faint background music. In the beginning and the end the music is ok.
@@tsalesto that’s so strange it’s totally fine on mine iphone and iMac
@@tsalesto exactly the same if I watch on tele and have the sound put out via an apple home pod mini. Only faint background music.
The EMTB mode on the Bosch is a game changer for me. Just choose EMTB and the motor give you what you need, if you dont need much it dials it back. BTW I have 3 mates with Specialized bikes, gen 1 2 and 3, all have issues, dead batteries, broken power cables and lattterly dead TCU. The Gen 1 owner has 5 dead batteries in his collection. All have been left stranded.
Thanks for the video Sam. I have a gen3 Levo Expert. Does yours make that bee sound while going uphill?
Thanks for the kind works mate, no my motor is pretty silent
I’ve just got my crafty r. It’s definitely got a clunk down hill. Wondering if it’s the battery but as it’s fixed so not sure how involved an investigation will be to get the motor off and have a look. Edit! Just remembered I upgraded to rattling xt finned pads. Need them out so I can isolate. 👍🏻
I came from specialized gen 2 motor 2020 levo, i had to chance twice the motor after that i change my bike for a shimano ep8.
Great video!
Hi Sam. Nice video. Have you ever tried KTM bikes? I think that KTM Kapoho Prestige is very interesting bike. In top soec 9000€ with Bosch, 750Wh, XTR, Mullet
Thanks mate yes the KTMs are very nice ebikes totally
Cool comparison 😎
Dang those prices though! Pretty happy to pick up the Pole Voima delivered for under $8.5K US loaded with high end options.
Thanks! I wonder if the EP8 gets updates thru the year? I just got a Canyon ON CF8 and the motor is awfully quiet, uphill or downhill............none of this clunking I hear about. The thing rips, loves going fast on tight trail.
You should do a comparison of the best microphones, but this time don’t coat them in Vaseline! Great video though!
Hahaha yes I had a mic problem on this video
Is it just me but I can’t hear you? Just got back ground music.
I’m going to upload again
@@SamsBikes cheers mate 😊👍🏻
@@SamsBikes just seen it works on the Fire Stick but voice sounds like it’s in the back ground. No voice on iPhone.
Need to remedy your Audio. And what is the problem with no one comparing Dyname or Bafang, to The Top 4 brands? My Bafang M510 with a 700 watt battery, is a powerhouse for climbs and is lightning on city bike paths. Best is the maintenance/component costs. Very maintenance free after six-months of use(straight through a entire Winter season), and no issues. Like all TH-cam bike reviews, they only concentrate on what the top one-percent can actually afford. Us little people, don't mattter.
I’m right in the middle of a long term review of the bafang m510 and I just did a review of the Dyname
Did something break on this video? There is NO SOUND. I hope it is something that can be fixed as I'd like to hear what you have to say.
Be thankful you can't hear it. The recording is really bad! It's painful to listen to
What about Flyon from Haibike ?
So what did you find had the best reliability with your research
Nice work Sam! Curious on the Levo Brose you've been riding is it the 2.1 or 2.2 motor?
Thanks mate 2.2 motor
Is the 2.2 anygood, looking at the Levo carbon 2023
@@gazbuck73 Its better that it does not fail as much but it still does fail occasionally. Excellent feel and power.
I went through 6 motors on my 2019 Levo never getting more than 900km out of a motor. I have had my Trance for 7 months now riding 1,400km problem free so Giant and Yamaha get my vote. In my opinion Specialized is over rated and over priced. I was so happy the day I sold my Lemon Levo.
@@2011buddylee It makes no sense does it, was it my riding style that killed the motors or was my Levo just a lemon? I am riding my Trance harder than I rode my Levo and it does not have a problem. Time will tell I guess.
Which motor is the most reliable?
Hey Sam, thanks for all the awesome and super helpful videos you make! I've got a question not really relating to motors, but I'm debating right now between the 2022 Trek rail 7, (so with the same geo as 2021) and the 2022 specialized Turbo levo comp alloy. Which of these do you think handles better? Cheers!
Hey Gabriel thanks for the kind words! Both the Rail and the Levo are amazing bikes, I personally feel the Levo is more versatile and more capable as stock but the rail can be pimped up like Rob has done! Hard decision out right speed the rail is faster but the Levo is more fun!
Hallo Sam, why not testing the new motors form BH BIkes???
I will try soon
Hey Sam, there is something wrong with the audio of this movie!
I have put a deposit on 2022 trek rail 7 .the shop I deal with is a trek and giant dealer. I like the simpler look of the prion display did a lot of looking on the net.bikes eta mid september
625 watts or 750 watts ?
@@raphaellima9539 Alloy frame 625 watts
Your audio is messed up through air pods, i thought they were broken but i watch other videos and they are fine, the audio without airpods is fine but with airpods you cant even hear your voice
Yes I know it’s on my list to re do this video
Still a sound problem. Sounds like it’s coming from headphones from a distance.
What are you watching it on? Laptop iPhone?
@@SamsBikes ipad
@@darrenkupiec5436 well I have zero Idea it seems fine on mine! How strange, is it that bad I should loose the video?
@@SamsBikes you can still hear it. Just sounds tinny.
@@darrenkupiec5436 yea kinda sucks when you spend 20 hours a on a video abs you don’t know what you did wrong! Oh well sorry riders
The price level of Giant Bikes exposes the absurd margins other companies use on their pricing. you basically get the same bike for half the price.
Then again, even at that level E bikes cost a lot compared to let say a motorbike.
Giant is the biggest bike manufacturer in the world…. That would certainly help with them being able to keep their costs down a bit. 🤷🏻♂️
@@lachburgers OK, didn't know that.
You can't imagine that secondhand emtb with a medium build has the same price with a brand-new motorbike,the latter contains more components and require more complex way to be manufacture d. let's turn about it and the answer is ridiculous!😢
Still no Rocky Mountain 4.0. From what I have read/watched it is the motor.
Sam like you said, the undisputed truth of the last 4 years
FYI On my side the sound is still broken Android phone 🤷♂️
Sorry mate I did everything I could to fix
@@SamsBikes hey no problem I know u did, just an update for anyone else having the issue, I tried watching it on the TV and it was fine 🤟✌
your right and left audio are out of phase I think
When are you gonna get your hands on the SCOR to test out?
No sound on this video
no voice?
Sound is fine for me.
Rumors: I saw a picture SRAM is developing a ebike Motor.
Yep I saw that two! Let’s see, it makes sense they get into it!
@@SamsBikes swap your engine and connect with AXS. This woud be redifne the industry :=)
The sound is bad did not hear a thing Sam
Yep sorry please try a different device there was something wrong with the sound of some devices
Wtf? No voice, only background music?? 7 months on and it hasnt been fixed...
Actually it’s your device try it on your computer
@@SamsBikes fair enough, ill try that. Why is this the only video ive ever found this? Cheers
When your audio is this terrible you could've at least turned down the music to avoid it washing out the sound of your voice.
Sorry mate there was something wrong with the sound on this video
Removing the Motor from the Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Carbon Bike
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You are breaking-up captain... I'm losing you. No sound on my android bummer
Hahaha! Nice! 😂
Sounds fine on my phone not on my ipad
Yep it’s so strange I’ll need to get it looked out
Can't hear anything Mate
Sorry I know try on another device
Whats happened to your voice?!!?
Sorry mate I had a 🎤 problem! I might reshoot it next month
Man you have broken micro
Yep I’m not sure what is going on I need to check it!
Only sound is music...
Bad sounds Matte !!!
Sorry mate I know try on another device something is wrong 😑 and I’m not sure what
It's absurd that a so-called expert doesn't understand battery capacity vs power. Battery capacity is measured in watt-hours, not watts which is a measure of power and seldom quoted for batteries except when talking about raw cells. Watt-hours is what you should talk about for ebike batteries just like electric car batteries are quoted in kilowatt-hours.
Haters going to hate I try my best and a lot of people really like my work I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy this Free content
Sounds like you’re speaking into a can.
Und ist der Berg auch noch so steil, in`s schwitzen komm ich nicht. Mein Motor macht die Arbeit un ich tritt lässig mit....😎
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All rubbish - the best motor is the TQ (Haibike) … 😁
Really? I have tested it and range is terrible 😣
@@SamsBikes you are absolutely right, range is really crap - but I love the torque ❤️😁