Same here just in reverse. During the Ashley era Man City were my team to watch in the champions league and Saturday games ( we had a lot more 3pm kick off then)
Only team worst then Newcastle in England is probably City and Chelsea. Cheaters with no history who destroy fair play in football for the whole world. Disgusting fans
What’s Keown on about, stadium announcement imminent, feasibility study been ongoing for over a year, literally is a priority. Keep up Martin. Little bit of simple research would have told you that
It negates the point of buying a football club, Premier league clubs have enough income to spend upto there ffp every summer anyway, So buying a club is almost pointless under ffp, You buy a club for 1billion, Cant invest in the team, So whats the point? Imagine taking over a company and not being able to invest in the company to make it sustainable, Its bizarre honestly.
@@jimjogger306 exactly. Companies don't go under due to debt, they go under due to lack of access to funds. It's actually basic business knowledge. It's amazing so many "fans" on social media really thinks that a club "has to generate it's own wealth" from the get go. That's not how investment works
No real Newcastle fan was expecting the likes of Mbappe to come through the door 😂 it’s the likes of this radio station who starts these false rumours for headlines
The EPL PSR/FFP rules are supposed to be about making sure premier league clubs remain solvent. Newcastle have the richest owners in world football and so applying the PSR/FFP rules to them makes no sense in terms of what the rules are supposed to be there for. Other club's fans are overjoyed that FFP/PSR are limiting Newcastle's spending of course especially the usual top 6.
There should ffp rules to decrease the market prices, despite that it was not what it meant to be, they wanted to stop new teams from competing to win trophies, it was a problem in the 90s too when lazio did it then Chelsea whom became a regular competitor
@@abdulrahmanalsultan2871 then stop teams like Man U paying £100m for Sancho, City paying £100m for Grealish (who had 1 good season), and Arsenal paying £100m for Rice. Or just let the market determine the prices, as is currently happening - you can't have it both ways though
Didnt he say a few weeks later that because of the way Mike Ashley ran Newcastle that they could spend 500 million for the next 7 or 8 transfer windows and no one could nothing about it .
Bribe later against epl rules that are against uk laws. It's a pity that the woke has gone woke. Reason don't work anymore, just try to satisfy people's feelings.
If a proper market rate was paid by Sports Direct then it would be far far more than 385k the newcastle books showed, never mind the fact absolutely nothing was paid in the first decade of the ‘partnership’ Ashley could have literally sent us to the bottom of the barrel, and the premier league didn't bat an eyelid, FFP is not to protect it is for control and cencership
We aren’t the richest club in the world we have the richest owners their is a difference, we are being strangled by PSR ffp because the premier league wants to stop us
@@docholiday-lm4vf so did Chelsea man city Blackburn cheat oh no they only brought this rule in to stop Newcastle, cheat are you joking so Chelsea got to spend billions and Man U did and everyone was happy until Saudi bought Newcastle and your saying we want to cheat, your a clown 🤡
The Irony of FFP is that newcastle wont and cant throw millions to other clubs like Palace for players like Guehi, the league is actually more worse off for it...
That's great, you don't want Saudi to be able to buy your whole league. Sure they already bought most of it including a CL spot and they will keep using their economic doping to get success so just wait soon Saudi will be able to buy the whole league
No a rule introduced inte fooling the real English fans their league and culture is not getting shipped off shore. Saudi easily bought their way into a CL spot and will continue to expand their territory. UAE already own the PL title
Not the result remotely. In its current format it has been found the laws need tweaking in order to comply with UK law. The laws are also still currently exactly the same until the premier league have amended them who still maintain a view to prevent clubs inflating finances via obscene sponsorships. The premier league aren’t under an obligation to change the policies entirely. However on the other hand it would be funny for Newcastle to sponsor themselves for 10 billion odd a year and just have fun with it.
@@mattswinnerton9892 This also forces the EPL to recognise that none interest loans from owners should be banned. City is literally killing the lifeline of most of the clubs that where testifying againat them in that tribunal.😂
Well it depends, what it does do is potentially put a stop clubs only being allowed to spend what they can generate. The team the current system benefits most is Man Utd. I don’t disagree actually that teams like Newcastle or Everton or anyone should be afforded the opportunity to grow and develop and challenge for titles. That enriches everything about the league. What you probably shouldn’t do is allow Newcastle and city to sponsor themselves for as much as they want and ruin any form of competition. Albeit it would be moderately amusing for Newcastle to now play effectively football manager.
That is our issue. FFP rules (which only ever got spoken about after we had been taken over) plus Newcastle tax other sides put on the transfer fees. like Guehi
Nobody at the EPL or FA had a problem when man u had a monopoly on buying the best players in the world. Now "it's not fair". Stfu you whining hypocrites, times change and there is a new boy on the block.
@@ElBarcoGaming they keep spending big and have a club loaded with debt, bought by debt and credit. It's not really their own generated income when it's built on sand. Newcastle have no debt but their owners aren't allowed to put £1bn of their own money in to buy players.
There should be a player expenditure cap that applies to every club and that’s it! PSR rules have turned the Premier League into a no ambition/investment zone.
This wont stop newcastle for long money always finds a way as simon says by fair means or fowl its just a matter of how long it takes them mark my words newcastle will be a top 4 club sooner or later
@@TonyODOnnell-tt8gh yep am you know what it couldn't happen to a better club or nicer fan base had alot of good times with Geordies in my old army days proper good lads I don't like this Arabians pouring money in but if it has to be someone then am glad it's you ynwa!
Simone jordan is tally right! He said if they dont sort the piracy out, then they wouldn't go anywhere! As a newcastle fan who is level-headed and honest, I would agree wholeheartedly.
The fairest way is to have a first team salary cap so no team can have all the best players on high wages, its then skill of the manager and management to get the best mix. If you want to spend everything on eleven players, great but their squad players will be poor. It will also encourage clubs to do more work with their academies. Clubs should have no financial barrier to infrastructure such as stadiums training facilities and academies.
In the same breath, you could also say that allowing Newcastle owners to spend whatever they want is also unfair, to allow them to "sponsor" their own club by as much as they want. People think it's unfair what City was allowed to do and what Chelsea was allowed to, but also think it's unfair that Newcastle can't do the same thing! Can't have it both ways. Limit those cartel clubs, don't just add ine more to the group. Annoying
Think there needs to be more convo about how Abramovich was forced to sell Chelsea for having links to Putin in the wake of the Ukraine invasion, yet the PL agreed ( under pressure from the UK govt at the time ) to pretend the Saudi Government's investment fund isn't part of the State and in doing so, allowed someone actively commiting genodice in Yemen at the time to buy a club.
Do you think English people care? They have sold their whole league to anyone waving a bit of money in front of them. There is not a soul in England who cares about what happens in Saudi.
Everyone knows the Premier League are fixing it for the teams they want to finish in the Top slots. Corruption at its finest!! How they’ve managed to get away with this for so long is disgraceful. It was blatant and anyone who says it wasn’t us full of 💩 This is a group of businesses, competing!! Or supposed to be, but competition is being unfairly stacked against Newcastle!
Unreal that they talk about something that’s on the show agenda but don’t know what’s going on with the stadium. They just bring it up as if it’s not happening. SJP is situated next to listed buildings and an historic public park and land owned by the Freeman of Newcastle. It’s also big enough and young enough in terms of previous development to take the time to establish if development is feasible and financially possible. They are doing that right now. Everyone says Spurs have a great stadium, they do but they were 20 years behind everyone else who developed their stadium after the Taylor report.
Add up how much money man utd and liverpool and arsenal chelsea have spent building success and winning trophies over the last 20 years. And these clubs have the cheek to vote to stop other clubs spending some money like them Cowardly.. If you have faith in your club You wouldnt worry about what other people are spending
@@dash3115 Of course I do, no need for that many emojis all that does it state mental age, CAS cleared city years ago, and in that statement it said city failed to comply and announce details regarding FFP, it's been four years since then, do you understand how bribery works?
Get away with what? The Premier League have just been found themselves to be breaking the rules! City are now going to sue the Premier League for a lot of money which is owed to them. What is even funnier is that the APT rules were shown to be unsound which spells massive trouble for Arsenal - they are cheats!
@@jonnyhull7860 lol well let’s start with selling there own ground to the owners who brought the club for 60 million then paid 90 million for the ground they owned to get out of ffp in championship
@@leehaslam5751 Which if I'm not mistaken wouldn't have been the case/needed if not for restrictive rules and regs created by the corrupt FFP system and the like.
I do think FFP rules are pretty stupid in terms of being applied across the board. FFP makes sene in the lower divisions much more because these teams aren’t owned by billionaires and Bury for example what happened to Bury so FFP is understandable much more in that realm but really Newcastle what’s the danger of a state owned club going into administration? It should be applied more individually and should be taken into consideration if a club is having issues financially then FFp should be applied if the club that is having issues to help them so they don’t go insolvent but just applying across the board to clubs that have no worry or any chance of ever going to administration is ridiculous in my opinion and just limits competition as well. I understand FFP but it shouldn’t be applied across the board lower tier clubs should be prioritised more to help them from going bust and should be applied to prem clubs if they have a history of financial issues that’s it not just applying to every single club even if that club has no issues and are completely fine
@@paultaylor9498I get you but this is why I think FFP should be applied individually so they look at the situation at hand rather than a blanket Man City right now with their current owners will never be in any danger because they’re owned by a Sheikh and yeah if they sold to Steve down the road they’d have to do that but I think they should look at the individual circumstances of the club and do it by ear rather than a blanket thing
there was not a single Newcastle fan thought we would buy Mbape Simon, it was always just lazy journalism that put forward that narrative and lazy journalism is something that you and talksport in general are experts in
You people make a living out of talking about subjects you know nothing about. St James Park is surrounded by obstacles because it is in the city centre , listed buildings parks and transport routes to major hospitals. Do some research or speak about something else
Let’s say I was a trillionaire and loved a club like and saw a club that was being badly run and was going to put a bit in then seeing what’s happening to Newcastle I’d think sod that and buy another club away from the premier that’s bad for business
Exactly. Reduces the chances of other clubs like Brighton, Wolves, Fulham, Bournemouth etc. From getting next level financially strong owners buying them and investing. Were I rich enough and wanted in on that ownership game, I'd look to another country for sure, maybe even a different continent.
I don't want Newcastle to be able to spend hundreds of millions on players, but it absolutely isn't fair that they can't when Chelsea are spending a billion over a few years but it's ok because their owners can sell club assets to themselves. Then there's City spending as much over a similar period and enjoying the benefits of a sponsorship deal with effectively their own owners. It isn't a level playing field when nation states are effectively taking over clubs, but neither is it a level playing field under the current rules with the loopholes that certain clubs have been able to exploit. Maybe City will be punished, and Chelsea may be creating problems for themselves down the line, but it wouldn't be at all surprising to see them continue to get away with it, and for more clubs to start doing the same, leaving the rest trailing in their wake.
The financial rules means dosent matter how rich owners are, only funds generated by club can be used. newcastle new director for transfers got it right, they brought players with resale value. tho they did incredible well get into that champions league the issue will always be maintaining that top 4 finish. money in generates and sponsors all the above is massive, its what helped other clubs extend there strength over all others. selling players and recruitment is now the priority for all clubs. new rules next season tho still gives advantage to the so called top normal 4.
Doesn’t seem very fair to me that City & Chelsea was able to do something that Newcastle united Can’t do through FFP So it’s one rule for one & another rule for other clubs ect Chelsea & Man City Doesn’t seem very fair to me! Im very surprised that No one has come in for Sheffield Wednesday a huge club with great history it’s from Englands 4th largest city by population & 3rd largest city by way of size SWFC to SUFC are only 4 miles apart from each other the city averages around 55K football fans with both clubs in the 2nd tier SWFC also have the Most Expensive Ticket Prices in football! If doing well in the Premier League SWFC would have 40k fans inside Hillsborough stadium every week! Massive Boxing 🥊 city Sheffield is & it’s the birthplace of football Sheffield is
The first thing that comes to mind is that Chelsea and Manchester City have both won the Champions League super cup and club World Cup this to go with the fact city have won the league and domestic cups and Chelsea has also won the Europa League and played in about 8 domestic cup finals they are also the most profitable teams in the sales of the academy talent that they have been producing for years. The fact that Newcastle have been not been spending on players is a joke they have had hardly any academy players in the first team and have spent millions on transfers to improve the midfield and attack and they were prepared to spend 70 million on a defender but they were turned down by palace
Clubs have to go through this unlawful APT, but others like Chelsea (and a few other teams) with dodgy front of shirt sponsors who are sponsoring the club for more money than the company has - more than it's turnover (which is zero in some cases) and one which uses a dead tiktok star as the photo of it's CEO - don't go through any scrutiny whatsoever and it just gets waved through. Biggest thing for me though is the clear evidence of cartel action after the NUFC takeover where 1 club lobbied the other PL clubs (minus Newcastle) and got 10 to join it in sending an email to Masters, who then held a meeting and didn't invite Newcastle. You can't get much more of a cartel action than that - that action brought in the APT rules which were rushed through without any testing of the system. I hope someone runs another CAT case against them.
So then, Simon will be happy that Man City won their case against the premier league. In that gulf state owned club's , the clubs spend cap was essentially "ellegal." Brought in, co- incidentally right after the nufc's saudi pif takeover. Hell, be happy that Y.A.R. will be, accomidating all them new Sponserships, e.g ground, shirt. & if they're owned by pif, he'll be happy that its totally legal ☑️
And when he is the manager of a small club again soon he will moan that he can’t keep his best players because clubs with unlimited funds keep buying his best players and he is being overcharged in Europe for replacements.
Sept 1st 2009 - UEFA introduced FFP, followed by a Premier League announcement that they will put together a report with a view to implementing FFP for the 2011-12 season. July 1st 2011 - Premier League introduce FFP July 8th 2011 - Man City announce £400m sponsorship deal with Etihad (Owned by Sheikh Mansour's brother) July 8th 2011 - Man City became the football club with the highest sponsorship revenue in the history of Football, by a BIG margin. This was at a time when they had reached their first-ever domestic semi-final in 40 years the year before. They had played a Champions League game since 1968 and had not played a game in European competition for 40 years until 2010. I am not here to judge, I am just writing down facts. You can google the headlines yourself.
@@iflgames3245 I worked on the Sports Desk at BBC Manchester at the time sooooo….yeah it’s all facts. This is when Arsene Wenger came out with accusations of “financial doping” that was happening at City and Chelsea. Dont you remember?
@@lozcontreras everything you said had no correlation, you information is still wrong and you never made a point. Random statements with no evidence provided, and your previous occupation means absolutely nothing regarding your innuendo.
@@lozcontreras Etihad is owned by Mansour brother and that Etihad is a associated party with Mansour. Please I will kindly wait knowing you will never providence evidence for that.
For someone who loves his word salads it amazes me that Simon Jordan can’t articulate some things so let me help him. Newcastle are not the richest club in the world - they have the wealthiest owners. That’s it! Don’t deny you said it Jordan it’s on tape! Geez, I thought this guy was educated!
There always seems to mitigating circumstances around Simons bullshit?!! Just say you got it wrong, instead of coming up with excuses. And Simon does talk sense (sometimes), but he can’t stand it when he’s wrong!
It is fair because i want the game played on the pitch and titles won on sporting merit not on how much wealth you have and arabs trying to expand their world wide image. If a club generates its own revenue from being that club, then uses that money to win titles that is fine. If someone ploughs money in from outside to inflate the whole industry thats not fine. I dont want an arms race. clubs come in different sizes so some will have more money naturally than others. Tranmere cant compete with Liverpool and you cant just put an arab in at tranmere, doesnt work like that. Each club runs itself to the best of its ability
The consistently issue is on the business of that our squad is. Which isn't the case of buying players, it's more the case of moving them on and such. Which is where the PSR issue comes in for us. Something we need to sort. We can't sell our players that we don't need any more on cheap, then go on and spend mega money on many players, that'd break the rules. Something we clearly don't want to do. Like I mean. We'd want rid of Miggy, Murphy, Wilson, Targett, prob all our keepers minus Pope. Hayden, Lewis, Lascelles, Krafth. With also uncertaintly over Trips, Burn's pace and issue, and Longstaff sometimes not connecting. But in order to get the best deals for those, and go buy players, we have to get the best deals, which is an issue in itself. Which leaves Newcastle in hard position to really move. The club looks miles better, and sure, we got further then expected, but till we clear those out, we won't be moving further.
THE BIGGEST MYTH IS THAT NEWCASTLE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY THEY HAVE SPENT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN THE LAST FEW SEASONS AND IF NOT THE STRENGTH OF PALACE THEY WOULD’VE SPENT 70M ON A DEFENDER
They spent what hadnt been spent in the previous 14years. They have very quickly hit the ceiling of spend and had to sell £70m of players to meet FFP. Now cant move….keep up!!!
ofcourse its fair otherwise you just get the richest person in the building paying the most money to win the most things. its stupid. problem for newcastle is they bought at the wrong time when it was known all these rules would be coming down. can't complain you can't spend what you want when it was already known that was going to be the case.
Rules can always be changed and need adapting, Newcastle aren't the only owners being restricted by this, plenty of premier league teams and lower league teams simply can't invest their own personal wealth because the gate receipts and the sponsors don't cover the inflation of transfers and wages. Time will tell I guess.
@@paolo7688Yh and why do you think Man City is winning all these trophies? The hypocrisy of that club is hilarious, they only have a problem with the rules because the PL have charged them
Interesting to see the clubs who opposed Man City. Liverpool, Man Utd, Tottenham and maybe Arsenal! Keown never knows anything aside from arsenal, he is terrible.
I’m a Man City fan but Newcastle have always been a team I’ve had a soft spot for. Good luck toon fans.
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Snap. Even had a Man City shirt as a kid (the 89-91 one) and we were in the 2nd division and had never met. David White was one my favourite players.
Ooh friend
Same here just in reverse. During the Ashley era Man City were my team to watch in the champions league and Saturday games ( we had a lot more 3pm kick off then)
Only team worst then Newcastle in England is probably City and Chelsea. Cheaters with no history who destroy fair play in football for the whole world. Disgusting fans
What’s Keown on about, stadium announcement imminent, feasibility study been ongoing for over a year, literally is a priority. Keep up Martin. Little bit of simple research would have told you that
That will not help us for years especially if we build a new stadium, 4 years if lucky
Lol his notes are just for show😂
Keown is simple!
10 yrs from planning to completion
I do wonder about him
No Newcastle fan were thinking they will buy Mbappe.
We would have more thought about buying ronaldo and messi before buying that clown
The financial rules encourage debt but make investment criminal.
Exactly, most people are too thick to wrap their little heads around this simple concept.
That's how I see it but hey...I'm no accountant
@@Dmanz67please explain it
It negates the point of buying a football club, Premier league clubs have enough income to spend upto there ffp every summer anyway, So buying a club is almost pointless under ffp, You buy a club for 1billion, Cant invest in the team, So whats the point? Imagine taking over a company and not being able to invest in the company to make it sustainable, Its bizarre honestly.
@@jimjogger306 exactly. Companies don't go under due to debt, they go under due to lack of access to funds. It's actually basic business knowledge. It's amazing so many "fans" on social media really thinks that a club "has to generate it's own wealth" from the get go. That's not how investment works
No real Newcastle fan was expecting the likes of Mbappe to come through the door 😂 it’s the likes of this radio station who starts these false rumours for headlines
Real Newcastle fans, you mean Muslims?
Real Newcastle fans? You mean Muslims?
The EPL PSR/FFP rules are supposed to be about making sure premier league clubs remain solvent. Newcastle have the richest owners in world football and so applying the PSR/FFP rules to them makes no sense in terms of what the rules are supposed to be there for. Other club's fans are overjoyed that FFP/PSR are limiting Newcastle's spending of course especially the usual top 6.
*Breakaway , 6
There should ffp rules to decrease the market prices, despite that it was not what it meant to be, they wanted to stop new teams from competing to win trophies, it was a problem in the 90s too when lazio did it then Chelsea whom became a regular competitor
@@abdulrahmanalsultan2871if the price of eggs in the shops are going up...I don't see what can stop inflation of market prices 😕
@@abdulrahmanalsultan2871 then stop teams like Man U paying £100m for Sancho, City paying £100m for Grealish (who had 1 good season), and Arsenal paying £100m for Rice. Or just let the market determine the prices, as is currently happening - you can't have it both ways though
@@Charlieb82 agree it should much more strict, it's getting ridiculous, don't forget the 250k weekly wages is outrageous too
Martin having a howler there with this supposed stadium inertia. It's quite the opposite.
So unless you're Big 6 you depend on a miracle to win a trophy? I'm glad City won the case.
Yeah , they owned companies that are worth 5 million and somehow managed to sponsor city for 60 million. Genius
Do you want the Premier League title should go to the highest bidder instead? So your Saudi team can have a chance
As a Spurs fan I can tell you that supposedly being big 6 doesn't necessarily mean you don't need a miracle to win a trophy 😅
Didnt he say a few weeks later that because of the way Mike Ashley ran Newcastle that they could spend 500 million for the next 7 or 8 transfer windows and no one could nothing about it .
Yep
Newcastle are announcing a new stadium between 1 and 3 billion in early 2025. Either a rebuild or a new place altogether
Newcastle should just buy now, and bribe later!
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If Man City only end up getting a fine, then I think they will.
Bribe later against epl rules that are against uk laws. It's a pity that the woke has gone woke. Reason don't work anymore, just try to satisfy people's feelings.
Yeah copy the 115
If a proper market rate was paid by Sports Direct then it would be far far more than 385k the newcastle books showed, never mind the fact absolutely nothing was paid in the first decade of the ‘partnership’ Ashley could have literally sent us to the bottom of the barrel, and the premier league didn't bat an eyelid, FFP is not to protect it is for control and cencership
We aren’t the richest club in the world we have the richest owners their is a difference, we are being strangled by PSR ffp because the premier league wants to stop us
Want to cheat you do
@@docholiday-lm4vf so did Chelsea man city Blackburn cheat oh no they only brought this rule in to stop Newcastle, cheat are you joking so Chelsea got to spend billions and Man U did and everyone was happy until Saudi bought Newcastle and your saying we want to cheat, your a clown 🤡
True and since they own a few clubs we could only be at best the joint richest club.l in the world
@@docholiday-lm4vf daft twat
Dochoilday chatting shyt
The problem is the red cartel - LiVARpool, Utd and Arsenal. 3 dirty Soccerball franchises.
Absolutely spot on m8
That's rubbish and you know it. The cartels are always from Oligarchs and Sheikhs. That's not just in football
The Irony of FFP is that newcastle wont and cant throw millions to other clubs like Palace for players like Guehi, the league is actually more worse off for it...
Not if you're Palace
That's great, you don't want Saudi to be able to buy your whole league. Sure they already bought most of it including a CL spot and they will keep using their economic doping to get success so just wait soon Saudi will be able to buy the whole league
You man the Super League Lite?
Technically Mbappe did rock up on the toon
He got rocked at the Toon...
😝 😝 rocked up and got slapped up
Is Martin Keown doing the crossword every time he’s on?
TO AN EXTENT
Hahaha
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 brilliant
😅😅😅 more likely a wordsearch i reckon he'd struggle with a crossword
A rule introduced totally to handicap NUFC, the premier league hierarchy is being bought off 🤷♂️
No a rule introduced inte fooling the real English fans their league and culture is not getting shipped off shore. Saudi easily bought their way into a CL spot and will continue to expand their territory. UAE already own the PL title
Call the rules what they really are. The Cartel Protection Plan.
Rules on sponsorships confirmed as unlawful. We can now sponsor ourselves for 2billion a year. Watch out
Not the result remotely. In its current format it has been found the laws need tweaking in order to comply with UK law. The laws are also still currently exactly the same until the premier league have amended them who still maintain a view to prevent clubs inflating finances via obscene sponsorships. The premier league aren’t under an obligation to change the policies entirely. However on the other hand it would be funny for Newcastle to sponsor themselves for 10 billion odd a year and just have fun with it.
@@mattswinnerton9892 This also forces the EPL to recognise that none interest loans from owners should be banned. City is literally killing the lifeline of most of the clubs that where testifying againat them in that tribunal.😂
@@mattswinnerton9892 THEY ARE UNLAWFUL.
It doesn’t mean u they at all
Well it depends, what it does do is potentially put a stop clubs only being allowed to spend what they can generate. The team the current system benefits most is Man Utd. I don’t disagree actually that teams like Newcastle or Everton or anyone should be afforded the opportunity to grow and develop and challenge for titles. That enriches everything about the league. What you probably shouldn’t do is allow Newcastle and city to sponsor themselves for as much as they want and ruin any form of competition. Albeit it would be moderately amusing for Newcastle to now play effectively football manager.
That is our issue. FFP rules (which only ever got spoken about after we had been taken over) plus Newcastle tax other sides put on the transfer fees. like Guehi
@@yuyaWiseman16 what the fcuk has guehi to do with anything man utd paid nearly 90 million for anthony 🤣
Aramco please come in and its time to say goodbye to the Toon scrounging around for players .
Trying to stop Newcastle spending is like pushing back the tide, you can for a little while but money always finds a way.
It's not Newcastle spending it's Saudi
Nobody at the EPL or FA had a problem when man u had a monopoly on buying the best players in the world. Now "it's not fair".
Stfu you whining hypocrites, times change and there is a new boy on the block.
Because they were spending their own generated income
@@ElBarcoGaming they keep spending big and have a club loaded with debt, bought by debt and credit. It's not really their own generated income when it's built on sand. Newcastle have no debt but their owners aren't allowed to put £1bn of their own money in to buy players.
Maybe because they were actually a good football team and didn't progress with economic doping
There should be a player expenditure cap that applies to every club and that’s it! PSR rules have turned the Premier League into a no ambition/investment zone.
This wont stop newcastle for long money always finds a way as simon says by fair means or fowl its just a matter of how long it takes them mark my words newcastle will be a top 4 club sooner or later
It's an invetability....
@@TonyODOnnell-tt8gh yep am you know what it couldn't happen to a better club or nicer fan base had alot of good times with Geordies in my old army days proper good lads I don't like this Arabians pouring money in but if it has to be someone then am glad it's you ynwa!
Simone jordan is tally right! He said if they dont sort the piracy out, then they wouldn't go anywhere! As a newcastle fan who is level-headed and honest, I would agree wholeheartedly.
The fairest way is to have a first team salary cap so no team can have all the best players on high wages, its then skill of the manager and management to get the best mix. If you want to spend everything on eleven players, great but their squad players will be poor. It will also encourage clubs to do more work with their academies. Clubs should have no financial barrier to infrastructure such as stadiums training facilities and academies.
I can't stand Keown. Nothing he says makes any sense. He's an absolute helmet
In the same breath, you could also say that allowing Newcastle owners to spend whatever they want is also unfair, to allow them to "sponsor" their own club by as much as they want. People think it's unfair what City was allowed to do and what Chelsea was allowed to, but also think it's unfair that Newcastle can't do the same thing! Can't have it both ways. Limit those cartel clubs, don't just add ine more to the group.
Annoying
But Simon, Mbappe DID rock up at St James
Totally agree with Simon on this occasion
Think there needs to be more convo about how Abramovich was forced to sell Chelsea for having links to Putin in the wake of the Ukraine invasion, yet the PL agreed ( under pressure from the UK govt at the time ) to pretend the Saudi Government's investment fund isn't part of the State and in doing so, allowed someone actively commiting genodice in Yemen at the time to buy a club.
The government were selling the Saudis the weapons to do it.
Do you think English people care? They have sold their whole league to anyone waving a bit of money in front of them. There is not a soul in England who cares about what happens in Saudi.
Everyone knows the Premier League are fixing it for the teams they want to finish in the Top slots.
Corruption at its finest!!
How they’ve managed to get away with this for so long is disgraceful.
It was blatant and anyone who says it wasn’t us full of 💩
This is a group of businesses, competing!!
Or supposed to be, but competition is being unfairly stacked against Newcastle!
Is this old? Keown might want to look into the stadium proposals 😅
It’s a disgrace the way the premier league has gone on . Big changes to Newcastle. Going to get some big sponsorships now
Simon said thesame thing about Ronaldo not getting 200m from Saudi
Simon is the only one who actually talks sense
Newcastle are literally in talks for a new or refurbished stadium 😂
Unreal that they talk about something that’s on the show agenda but don’t know what’s going on with the stadium. They just bring it up as if it’s not happening. SJP is situated next to listed buildings and an historic public park and land owned by the Freeman of Newcastle. It’s also big enough and young enough in terms of previous development to take the time to establish if development is feasible and financially possible. They are doing that right now. Everyone says Spurs have a great stadium, they do but they were 20 years behind everyone else who developed their stadium after the Taylor report.
If Newcastle were allowed to spend what they like it is unfair on the other 13 teams outside the top 6
Add up how much money man utd and liverpool and arsenal chelsea have spent building success and winning trophies over the last 20 years.
And these clubs have the cheek to vote to stop other clubs spending some money like them
Cowardly..
If you have faith in your club
You wouldnt worry about what other people are spending
Simon spends more time talking about Newcastle then he does anything else , talksport must be having a slow day
Yet city still get away with it.... They must've really upped their bribes.
Do you not know how CAS works 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@dash3115 Of course I do, no need for that many emojis all that does it state mental age, CAS cleared city years ago, and in that statement it said city failed to comply and announce details regarding FFP, it's been four years since then, do you understand how bribery works?
@@dash3115 Whilst other teams have been punished by the way.
Get away with what? The Premier League have just been found themselves to be breaking the rules! City are now going to sue the Premier League for a lot of money which is owed to them. What is even funnier is that the APT rules were shown to be unsound which spells massive trouble for Arsenal - they are cheats!
@@stocksyere CAS only found City of failing to cooperate - that's it.
Just wait for mancity results. Newcastle just do the same.
City were horrible underachievers in the first few years of billionaire ownership.
And after this... breaking news of APT being unlawful!
Also restricting villa
No u just cheat
@@leehaslam5751 how have villa cheated
@@jonnyhull7860 lol well let’s start with selling there own ground to the owners who brought the club for 60 million then paid 90 million for the ground they owned to get out of ffp in championship
@@leehaslam5751 cry more mate jesus ,salty tears
@@leehaslam5751 Which if I'm not mistaken wouldn't have been the case/needed if not for restrictive rules and regs created by the corrupt FFP system and the like.
Keown unprofessionally ill informed on the stadium situation .NITWIT ,HWTL😂
I do think FFP rules are pretty stupid in terms of being applied across the board. FFP makes sene in the lower divisions much more because these teams aren’t owned by billionaires and Bury for example what happened to Bury so FFP is understandable much more in that realm but really Newcastle what’s the danger of a state owned club going into administration? It should be applied more individually and should be taken into consideration if a club is having issues financially then FFp should be applied if the club that is having issues to help them so they don’t go insolvent but just applying across the board to clubs that have no worry or any chance of ever going to administration is ridiculous in my opinion and just limits competition as well. I understand FFP but it shouldn’t be applied across the board lower tier clubs should be prioritised more to help them from going bust and should be applied to prem clubs if they have a history of financial issues that’s it not just applying to every single club even if that club has no issues and are completely fine
@@paultaylor9498I get you but this is why I think FFP should be applied individually so they look at the situation at hand rather than a blanket Man City right now with their current owners will never be in any danger because they’re owned by a Sheikh and yeah if they sold to Steve down the road they’d have to do that but I think they should look at the individual circumstances of the club and do it by ear rather than a blanket thing
Why do they insist on the " Saudi owned Newcastle? They don't say Chinese flesh peddling owned West Ham or American franchise Chelsea
there was not a single Newcastle fan thought we would buy Mbape Simon, it was always just lazy journalism that put forward that narrative and lazy journalism is something that you and talksport in general are experts in
You people make a living out of talking about subjects you know nothing about. St James Park is surrounded by obstacles because it is in the city centre , listed buildings parks and transport routes to major hospitals. Do some research or speak about something else
All Super Jordanite Assemble = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts
Let’s say I was a trillionaire and loved a club like and saw a club that was being badly run and was going to put a bit in then seeing what’s happening to Newcastle I’d think sod that and buy another club away from the premier that’s bad for business
Exactly. Reduces the chances of other clubs like Brighton, Wolves, Fulham, Bournemouth etc. From getting next level financially strong owners buying them and investing. Were I rich enough and wanted in on that ownership game, I'd look to another country for sure, maybe even a different continent.
Just spend and figure it out later, rules mostly likely will have changed again
I don't want Newcastle to be able to spend hundreds of millions on players, but it absolutely isn't fair that they can't when Chelsea are spending a billion over a few years but it's ok because their owners can sell club assets to themselves. Then there's City spending as much over a similar period and enjoying the benefits of a sponsorship deal with effectively their own owners. It isn't a level playing field when nation states are effectively taking over clubs, but neither is it a level playing field under the current rules with the loopholes that certain clubs have been able to exploit. Maybe City will be punished, and Chelsea may be creating problems for themselves down the line, but it wouldn't be at all surprising to see them continue to get away with it, and for more clubs to start doing the same, leaving the rest trailing in their wake.
The financial rules means dosent matter how rich owners are, only funds generated by club can be used. newcastle new director for transfers got it right, they brought players with resale value. tho they did incredible well get into that champions league the issue will always be maintaining that top 4 finish. money in generates and sponsors all the above is massive, its what helped other clubs extend there strength over all others. selling players and recruitment is now the priority for all clubs. new rules next season tho still gives advantage to the so called top normal 4.
Martin keown is a div
What was the point of this?
I agree with Simon Jordan!
Doesn’t seem very fair to me that City & Chelsea was able to do something that Newcastle united Can’t do through FFP
So it’s one rule for one & another rule for other clubs ect Chelsea & Man City
Doesn’t seem very fair to me!
Im very surprised that No one has come in for Sheffield Wednesday a huge club with great history it’s from Englands 4th largest city by population & 3rd largest city by way of size
SWFC to SUFC are only 4 miles apart from each other
the city averages around 55K football fans with both clubs in the 2nd tier
SWFC also have the Most Expensive Ticket Prices in football!
If doing well in the Premier League SWFC would have 40k fans inside Hillsborough stadium every week!
Massive Boxing 🥊 city Sheffield is & it’s the birthplace of football Sheffield is
The first thing that comes to mind is that Chelsea and Manchester City have both won the Champions League super cup and club World Cup this to go with the fact city have won the league and domestic cups and Chelsea has also won the Europa League and played in about 8 domestic cup finals they are also the most profitable teams in the sales of the academy talent that they have been producing for years. The fact that Newcastle have been not been spending on players is a joke they have had hardly any academy players in the first team and have spent millions on transfers to improve the midfield and attack and they were prepared to spend 70 million on a defender but they were turned down by palace
You left out Kes
Clubs have to go through this unlawful APT, but others like Chelsea (and a few other teams) with dodgy front of shirt sponsors who are sponsoring the club for more money than the company has - more than it's turnover (which is zero in some cases) and one which uses a dead tiktok star as the photo of it's CEO - don't go through any scrutiny whatsoever and it just gets waved through.
Biggest thing for me though is the clear evidence of cartel action after the NUFC takeover where 1 club lobbied the other PL clubs (minus Newcastle) and got 10 to join it in sending an email to Masters, who then held a meeting and didn't invite Newcastle. You can't get much more of a cartel action than that - that action brought in the APT rules which were rushed through without any testing of the system. I hope someone runs another CAT case against them.
They have committed to new stadium or re development..at least one BILLION.🙈
Even when he's wrong he'll not admit it without rubbish
It’s a joke they don’t tell them spend
So then, Simon will be happy that Man City won their case against the premier league. In that gulf state owned club's , the clubs spend cap was essentially "ellegal." Brought in, co- incidentally right after the nufc's saudi pif takeover.
Hell, be happy that Y.A.R. will be, accomidating all them new Sponserships, e.g ground, shirt. & if they're owned by pif, he'll be happy that its totally legal ☑️
And when he is the manager of a small club again soon he will moan that he can’t keep his best players because clubs with unlimited funds keep buying his best players and he is being overcharged in Europe for replacements.
Roy keane to be the next man u manager
What is Keown writing? 🤣
Hes drawing two men kissing
Sept 1st 2009 - UEFA introduced FFP, followed by a Premier League announcement that they will put together a report with a view to implementing FFP for the 2011-12 season.
July 1st 2011 - Premier League introduce FFP
July 8th 2011 - Man City announce £400m sponsorship deal with Etihad (Owned by Sheikh Mansour's brother)
July 8th 2011 - Man City became the football club with the highest sponsorship revenue in the history of Football, by a BIG margin. This was at a time when they had reached their first-ever domestic semi-final in 40 years the year before. They had played a Champions League game since 1968 and had not played a game in European competition for 40 years until 2010.
I am not here to judge, I am just writing down facts. You can google the headlines yourself.
@@lozcontreras Have your information is wrong and misleading. Debunking your conspiracy and innuendos is not worth my time.
@@iflgames3245 I worked on the Sports Desk at BBC Manchester at the time sooooo….yeah it’s all facts. This is when Arsene Wenger came out with accusations of “financial doping” that was happening at City and Chelsea. Dont you remember?
@@lozcontreras everything you said had no correlation, you information is still wrong and you never made a point.
Random statements with no evidence provided, and your previous occupation means absolutely nothing regarding your innuendo.
@@iflgames3245 what evidence would you like? I’ve given exact dates and figures that were reported by the BBC, SkySports and even Man City themselves.
@@lozcontreras Etihad is owned by Mansour brother and that Etihad is a associated party with Mansour.
Please I will kindly wait knowing you will never providence evidence for that.
No one ever thought we’d buy the best players in the world 😂 only clowns
There's only one team in the league getting shafted..
Everton
@@gavincunningham4598 pmsl
@@gavincunningham4598 bloody crying Scousers u broke the rules whats ur problem my club got deducted 9 points for same we didnt cry about it
In other words let them buy the league
Does Martin have to always work out his weekly Lidl voucher savings whilst being on the show, put the pen down mate!
martin keown why he holding pen? 🤣
For someone who loves his word salads it amazes me that Simon Jordan can’t articulate some things so let me help him. Newcastle are not the richest club in the world - they have the wealthiest owners. That’s it! Don’t deny you said it Jordan it’s on tape! Geez, I thought this guy was educated!
Keown sounding bitter again
There always seems to mitigating circumstances around Simons bullshit?!!
Just say you got it wrong, instead of coming up with excuses.
And Simon does talk sense (sometimes), but he can’t stand it when he’s wrong!
It is fair because i want the game played on the pitch and titles won on sporting merit not on how much wealth you have and arabs trying to expand their world wide image.
If a club generates its own revenue from being that club, then uses that money to win titles that is fine. If someone ploughs money in from outside to inflate the whole industry thats not fine. I dont want an arms race. clubs come in different sizes so some will have more money naturally than others. Tranmere cant compete with Liverpool and you cant just put an arab in at tranmere, doesnt work like that. Each club runs itself to the best of its ability
Simon Jordan is rich but his a moron when it comes to football.
Who cares
The consistently issue is on the business of that our squad is. Which isn't the case of buying players, it's more the case of moving them on and such.
Which is where the PSR issue comes in for us. Something we need to sort. We can't sell our players that we don't need any more on cheap, then go on and spend mega money on many players, that'd break the rules. Something we clearly don't want to do. Like I mean.
We'd want rid of Miggy, Murphy, Wilson, Targett, prob all our keepers minus Pope. Hayden, Lewis, Lascelles, Krafth. With also uncertaintly over Trips, Burn's pace and issue, and Longstaff sometimes not connecting. But in order to get the best deals for those, and go buy players, we have to get the best deals, which is an issue in itself. Which leaves Newcastle in hard position to really move.
The club looks miles better, and sure, we got further then expected, but till we clear those out, we won't be moving further.
clubs should refuse to play these clubs and start their own league
What Newcastle need to do is put the price of tickets up 50% over the next 4 years then buy meaningful players.
Ridiculous statement
Then stay in 7th place then for the next century
@@HdHd-hp6qzif Newcastle put up ticket sales by 50% it would be about 20 million a year
@@HdHd-hp6qz imagine its the broadcasting rights that make up 90% of a premier league teams income
THE BIGGEST MYTH IS THAT NEWCASTLE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY THEY HAVE SPENT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN THE LAST FEW SEASONS AND IF NOT THE STRENGTH OF PALACE THEY WOULD’VE SPENT 70M ON A DEFENDER
They spent what hadnt been spent in the previous 14years. They have very quickly hit the ceiling of spend and had to sell £70m of players to meet FFP. Now cant move….keep up!!!
Forced to sell Minteh and Anderson due to PSR, 2 players we really didn't want to lose
They were 8th in spending since their takeover, until this summer when they barely spent, not top 10 now.
Youngin’,your caps lock is stuck on
What Newcastle have spent int terms of their owners wealth in the past three years is like you or me buying a packet of chips..
ofcourse its fair otherwise you just get the richest person in the building paying the most money to win the most things. its stupid. problem for newcastle is they bought at the wrong time when it was known all these rules would be coming down. can't complain you can't spend what you want when it was already known that was going to be the case.
Rules can always be changed and need adapting, Newcastle aren't the only owners being restricted by this, plenty of premier league teams and lower league teams simply can't invest their own personal wealth because the gate receipts and the sponsors don't cover the inflation of transfers and wages. Time will tell I guess.
Richest clubs have always dominated football.
@@paolo7688Yh and why do you think Man City is winning all these trophies? The hypocrisy of that club is hilarious, they only have a problem with the rules because the PL have charged them
Newcastle do what u want ur muslim owned. Today with Man city proves it 2 tiered in football aswell
No it proves, the premier league is run by the red cartel and is now finally being exposed.
What's wrong with Muslims?
Ignore him hes reaching@@antonyallen8025
So you're fine when Americans, Chinese and Russians buy clubs but draw the line at Muslims 😂 doing nothing but show your own jealousy and bigotry
@@antonyallen8025what’s right with them?
You WONT FIND A NEWCASTLE FAN ANYWHERE who said they would sign Mbappe
Interesting to see the clubs who opposed Man City. Liverpool, Man Utd, Tottenham and maybe Arsenal!
Keown never knows anything aside from arsenal, he is terrible.
Martin Keown just realising how dumb he is with that sorry excuse for a comb over !!
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