That time they decided to make a good base Tie Fighter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- Today I want to talk about the Chiss Clawcraft - a Star Wars Legends ships which was the Empire of the Hand's take on the tie fighter, hybridized with Chiss Technology. That and more on today's Star Wars Legends video.
Edited by Mar Mar.
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"You have to admire the Chiss. They don't just steal your technology, they make it better." -unidentified Imperial technician
They are like Italians just in space
I have the same Star Wars ship book
I was hoping for some one to quote this greate line!
@@owlwaifu4949 I think you mean Japanese.
The TIE fighter was created as a cheap “disposable fighter”, while the Chiss had a different military mentality- so a Chiss Claw craft may look like a TIE, but it could be made from completely different components and materials.
Imagine a TIE Fighter with Imperial-Umbaran hybrid technology.
@michaelandreipaon359 Why do you say that?
Bc the umbarans are incredibly advanced
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The Imperials actually did do that in canon. Not with a starfighter unfortunately. I will note the IMHC rocked though..
Played around with the idea, it’s interesting because the umbaran star fighter we see used a similarly shaped pod for the cockpit, so replace the ray shielded pod with a tie fighter pod.
Head canon for me was that it could act as a decent interceptor due to its high maneuverability as stated in the Umbaran star fighter wookiepiedia entry.
Those smaller, secondary "cannons" you've identified on the Clawcraft's wings, if you're talking about what i think you're talking about, are actually maneuvering thrusters, according to the New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels. Or at least the edition I have a copy of. One of the images you showed is even from the exact same source.
ah makes sense, it was weird the "cannons" were mounted tilted and not in line with the bigger guns.
They being thrusters is actually better as they would allow the spacecraft to perform some crazy manuveurs
That's the point exactly. The Clawcraft is actually quite large and heavy for a TIE, and those thrusters are there to compensate for that, making it extremely maneuverable for a craft of its mass. @@the7observer
I was gonna say, I always thought that was what they were. It makes a lot of sense.
came here to see if someone said something, Thank you!
beat me to it
I meant Timothy Zhan at a con in California and asked him about the claw craft and he said that was the first time he thought about it in like 10 years and that makes me sad
I’ve always wondered about Chiss Fighters. Like, in the Ascendancy Trilogy - we don’t see ANY fighters. At all. There are gunboats and shuttles, but no one out in the Chaos uses fighters.
Which is fascinating to me - the Clawcraft that Mara and Luke steal is shuttle sized, and I think it’s neat to me that the Chiss are clearly just now getting used to the concept
The Kom'rk starfighters used by the Mandalorians are larger than many shuttles.
Zahn is very consistent about that in a cool way. The Chiss do use fighters in Outbound Flight and Survivor's quest, but they are noted to be quite large. They're considered heavy fighters by Luke and Mara and their size is supposed to be somewhere between 13 and 25 meters long.
Given how difficult and dangerous it is to travel around in the Unknown Regions, my best guess is that the Chiss chose to make whatever Starfighters they had as big and as self-suficiant as they were fast and durable. Something as small as a normal TIE Fighter or X-Wing would probably have an extremely difficult time dealing with the dangers of the Unknown Regions in the event such fighters get cut-off from the larger Starships they're attached to.
@@Obiwan7100 But they aren't exactly fighters, the Fang are.
@@Obiwan7100those are dropships
That thing looks like an X-Wing and a TIE interceptor had a baby.
That’s what they were going for lol.
Look up the Twi'lek Chir'daki Starfighter. That's the truest x-wing tie-fighter hybrid.
TIE Hunter:
The TIE uglies 'series' comes to mind. That's basically TIE and anything else they could find bashed into a functional fightercraft.
Great video! IIRC, the "weapons" in the middle of each wing are actually maneuvering thrusters. These are one of the reasons the Clawcraft was more maneuverable than even the TIEs. The missile launchers are in the chin.
Also, IIRC, the Chiss would outfit a couple of Clawcraft with nav computers for extended missions. The other Clawcraft would slave their navigation to them for hyperspace jumps.
It is interesting that the Nssis Clawcraft is an unofficial variant, meaning not manufactured by Sienar Fleet System
In legends we also had TIE Raptors manufactured by Grand Admiral Zsinj
@manny022 nah there were some slace linked ai ships in their elite tie interceptor squadron. They had half a squad of pilots
Yeah the whole subplot of Zsinj setting up a hidden parallel economy inside the New Republic and non-allied Imperial space to produce his own distributed military industrial complex making unique variants of Imperial weapons to fit his own evolving doctrine was pretty cool concept to me.
It was an interesting take on how to show how big of a threat Zsinj was in story, without resorting to superweapons or the dark side.
It made him a genius on par with Thrawn, but in a different way.
While Thrawn had strategy and tactics, Zsinj was purely a logistics mastermind.
Where Thrawn had to take dangerous risks and shortcuts to build his forces( the Katana fleet, clones, C'baoth and the cloaking tech) ,
Zsinj went about ensuring he didn't need any of that, and was able to provide and supply his forces without worrying about being tied to preexisting infrastructure.
I mean he was still an Imperial warlord so he had tons of wunderwaffen project's and personal 'elite' vanity units, but those seemed to be supplements to possibly enhance his power, and he didn't rely on them as central to his power projection.
@MandoWookie that's what I love so much about the EU warlords they were all unique in their own way. Be it their tactics or personalitie quirks there was always something to injoy.
@@MandoWookie Don't forget actively hiring pirates, smugglers and small mercenary units to supplement his own forces, and in the process ensure both he had a steady supply of additional revenue, and potentially necessary supplies by actively disrupting his enemy's ability to transport men, ships and materials between worlds. And in the process use them to put pressure on both the New Republic and other former imperial warlords, while keeping his own controlled territories safe by literally incentivizing such groups to raid literally anyone else.
we also had a TIE Droid in the final mission of the original Rogue Squadron N64 game. no one ever talks about them
Would love to see more videos about Chiss technology! Especially how legends and canon differ in how advanced they are
You could just read about them on wookiepedia
@@Amp661 but it would be much more fun to hear eck talk about it
Clawcraft looks pretty deadly. But those curved wings strike me as tricky to manufacture and maintain, especially given their articulated joints. And a pretty big target for the enemy. More intimidating than practical, Chiss seem to have adopted the Empire's doctrine of terror over practicality.
If I remember, the Interceptor was built as a TIE ln replacement, just didn't manage full roll out before the end of the Civil War so they had to be more choosey about which pilots got it.
No, they eventually came to replace the Fighters but that wasn't until after Endor.
@@helghast1149Actually, it's both. They originally didn't manage to field enough of them and had to be picky about the pilots who got to fly them, then after Endor they just said "screw it, we're getting broke anyways" and they mass produced the thing to replace the TIE Fighter
OP stated that they weren't able to roll the INT's out before the end of the Civil War. If we're going on Legends material that's false as they were the mainstay Imperial naval fighter (technically interceptor but with shields it was used more in a fighter role) prior to the signing of the Pellaeon-Gavrisom Treaty. I never debated that the Empire didn't field them en masse prior to Endor. They certainly ramped up production prior to Endor but training pilots on new spacecraft takes time so you can imagine that lower enlisted would have been granted the Fighters while more senior enlisted would have flown the Interceptor's and other craft. I think there was just a slight miscommunication in my original comment so sorry if I made it seem like I was unaware. @@infinitespace2520
@@helghast1149 No problem, I know you were aware of it, I was just trying to link OP's comment with yours, sorry if I gave the wrong impression.
Just about to finish the New Jedi Order series for the first time. It’s nice to see what exactly Jagged Fel is piloting
I would love to see more focus seen on out of the loop tech in star wars canon, we saw a little with the umbaran tech but it'd be cool to see more.
I'm not sure if you have made any videos on the Tuskens/Sand People, maybe you could talk about their differing cultures from large tribes to small war parties or their appearances across Star Wars lore? Love your vids :)
keep up the great work man, ive been watching for 5 years and i still love your stuff.
The Chiss ship designs are so cool, the Talon Interceptor is probably my favorite star fighter design in all of Star Wars.
I always assumed they were variants of a Tie Defender.
I would like to suggest the Razor-class fighter as a potential topic for a future video. There is surprisingly little about it out there that I've found, and I'm somewhat unsure what to do with it in Empire at War Awakening of the Rebellion.
It’s surprising how good of a fighter design, someone can make out of the tie design, when they really put their mind behind it as the claw craft and defender showed.
I know there's very little info on it, but I'd love to see you cover the "Escort Shuttle" that was found in TIE Fighter, (and perhaps other such variants, like the Escort Frigate and Assault Corvette). Heck, even the little tug found in that game is kind of interesting...
This is one of my favorite fighters in science fiction, along with the Agile Fighter/Alien Attacker from ID4, Chiggy Von Richtofen's attack craft from Space Above and Beyond, The Pyro GX Israeli from the Descent games, the Dark Eldar Raven and Razorwing Jetfighter from Warhammer 40k, the Drej fighter from Titan AE, the Udajeet from the StarGate original 1994 movie, and of course from real life, the YF-23 Grey Ghost/Black Widow.
Yes! We are finally getting closer to a Chiss fleet breakdown!
I'd like to learn more about the Empire of the Hand in general. I know you did a vid on how powerful Thrawn's fleet might be in the new canon, but I'd be interested to see more details on the Hand and how it might compare in that way.
I'd love to see a video about the Star destroyers from the old TIE fighter game. Still remember the relief i felt as a child when "The Hammer" arrived in system after most of my wingmates had bit the dust
Making my own custom TIE Fighter the clawcraft was one of my first inspirations with the outward wing foils but was able to utilize recycled systems like the engines or hyperdrive from an x-wing for example with only slightly modified tie wing panels and an additional rear gun in the TIE Diamond.
Something that was left out about the manouvering and hyperdrive capabilities of the Clawcraft is that their hyperdrives were so fine-tuned that, since they were based on Chiss technology that isn't point to point, they could even execute micro-jumps to get BEHIND their pursuers in combat. Since such tactics however tended to overload the hyperdrive core, it was built in in a way that the pilot could eject it and not get blown up along with it.
I’d like to see a video covering the non-canon event in a comic where Han and Chewie land on Earth.
You also need to account for technology Chiss used would want to travel around the unknown region. Previously they used the beacons to jump around so it was critical they had some ability for pilots to rotate.
Loved seeing the Clawcraft get its due thanks for covering it Eck! I used to own a second edition Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels and would spend hours at a time reading through it. The Clawcraft was always a standout due to how strange it was to me and how little I knew about the wider Legends lore back then. There's tons of other ships and stuff Id love to relearn about and get that greater depth of history you always include, stuff like the Cloakshape, H-6 bomber or even the Cutlass-9 patrol fighter. Looking forward to whatever comes next
Another idea to cover: ships from the 1998 Star Wars: Rebellion game. Do they appear anywhere else? Do the ones unique to that game make sense, and should they have been used elsewhere? The Assault Transport, the Bulwark Battlecruiser, the CC-7700 interdictor frigate, etc
Would love to see remasters of legends new republic ships such as the mediator, mc90s, viscount, and so on
I was worried those secondary canons were going to be fixed, thank you for restoring my faith in Star Wars. It's cool thinking about the different tactics you could use with that type of array. Full fire linked canon barrage at a high speed approach and pass, then switch the secondary canons to the rear to continue firing. Just three of these flying in a trinity/clover pattern could wear down a decent sized ship with just a near constant barrage of light/medium fire. I would love to see some in live action, or just in anything beyond paper and still pixels.
You could do some more versus series stuff or cover more on the chiss and imperial hand ships and vehicles as they aren't very well know
Would like to see you talk about the TIE Hunter! One of my favorite obscure TIE variants
The Chiss Clawcraft has been my favorite ship for 20 years.
I like the Clawcraft, but I also love the Predator class starfighter, AKA the TIE Predator
@@michaelandreipalon359 yep
An idea to cover: ships from the KOTOR games, MMO, and the stuff from that period in swgoh. The Ebon Hawk, Sith starfighter, the Leviathan-class capital ships, the Hammerheads from that time period, etc
id like to hear more about imperial warlords, perhaps some lesser known ones.
One thing i lioved about Tie fighters is the cockpit view jeez people don't realize in space not being able to see below you isn't like in atmosphere its a big blindspot.
If Jedi flew tie fighters they'd be great ships
I don’t remember if you have but I’d like an in depth video of the crusaders starfighter that the Zan Consortium uses in Empire at War.
I would love to see a classic battle breakdown video!
Is it my imagination, or are these TIEs reminiscent of droid tri-fighters? 🙂
i wont mind see some more chiss ships like thier awnser to an isd
I find it interesting that in Canon, they have Thrawn as the creator of the TIE Defender which could be a nice little nod to the Claw Craft and Chiss design philosophy.
Loved the Thrawn Duology!
The smaller cannon barrels on the wings make more sense as targeting lasers.
I thought the same. They seem like some sort of sensors, or possibly maneuvering thrusters.
Maybe go through all the old Star 🌟 Wars comics and books to nitpick and find and interesting hidden mystery ships and with the help of EC Henry bring them to life. Well that’s my thought and opinion
N'siss clawcraft always reminded me of box jellies. Tiny and deadly with four stinging tentacles.
from what I read the Chiss even made their own version of an Imperial Star Destroyer but their version was 1000 meters long and use some of their technology. I think the Chiss ISD has never been shown even back in the old EU just mentioned.
It's actually quite similar to the TIE Raptor with the wing pylons joining the cockpit in an X shape
Fun fact: it was eckhartsladder and not Fel who was the baron of operation ace while flying with twin suns squadron
How about a video about the Chiss? Namely their culture, ships and lore both in legends and now canonization. Also would love to see a what if series for what if the empire built the rebel ships like the B wing and x wing.
On the topic of Chiss ships, what we do know is that they are built to operate as self-sufficiently as possible and are very versatilely equipped with an array of weaponry. While they were somewhat nerfed in the new canon - which I'll never understand the reason for - in return they've also gotten some satisfyingly Warhammer 40K-esque traits. Such as the fact that they are piloted through hyperspace in real-time by Force-sensitive individuals. In combat they seem to rely more on agility and sophisticated tactics rather than direct brute force, even though a heavy cruiser like Thrawn's Springhawk is already something that, according to the one and only Darth Vader, could tango with a star destroyer one-on-one. And since the 4 man o' war classes they have are even bigger and more powerful, the Ascendancy has a formidable naval force even by wider galactic standards.
You should do a video on the "stun" setting of blasters. It's gotten a lot more use in recent media, and I can't help but notice it seems consistently more effective than just shooting bolts.
I'd love to see you do more about the Imperial Fleet please.
So this is basically like the tie defender, but better. I love it! 😅
Would love to see some content on Hapan ships and/or culture.
The secondary “cannons” are actually maneuvering jets iirc
It's a cool design too. It actually reads as star wars, unlike a lot of legends ships.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Ancient Sith and their knowledge, or lack thereof about the Star Forge! Ajunta Pall alludes quite heavily to the treasure of the Ancient Sith from his era to be the Star Forge, but I have yet to see this referenced anywhere else. I don't believe anyone other than the Rakatta, Revan, and Malak had anything to do with the Star Forge, or even had any knowledge whatsoever about its existence, and yet Pall seems to state otherwise and the Star Map is located within Naga Sadow's tomb, which couldn't have been a coincidence.
Continuity error? Plot thread left unresolved? #askeck
Perhaps the unfinished KOTOR 3 game would have explained it
I’d love to see a vs video between the clone war republic & Jedi order against the Krayt empire & one sith.
Ecks, can you go deeper into the Charic Technology and it's benefits at every scale.
From SmallArms, to Fighter based weapons, to StarShip level cannons
Hey not sure if there's videos on it but a breakdown of the Mandalorian crusades or the Jedi/Sith wars would be great, really anything pre-presequal would be really interesting to me. I watch shows and play games but anything books or comics I only hear from you
Also thanks for the super detailed vids
Ever play Star Wars Force Commander? I loved how that game had actual carrier ships to deliver walkers and whatnot to the ground from an orbiting Star Destroyer - even better, those carriers were vulnerable to attack too. Dunno if there's a video in there but that game was pretty cool and most haven't heard of it.
Can you maybe cover chiss technology in a video as a whole? Their tech is interesting and I would like to know more about it. That claw craft is sick
The clawcraft was by far my favorite legends ship.
Looks like a mix of a tie and the umbaran starfighter
If I had to make a video suggestion, I’d like to see a ranking of Clone Wars Jedi based on strategic ability. We mostly see Anakin and Obi Wan’s exploits I’m the Clone Wars, so I’m curious to see how truly good or bad some of the Jedi in legends were.
More Chiss gear, weapons and vehicles would be great!
With _The Clone Wars_ and _Ahsoka_ having re-introduced the Night Sisters of Dathomir it'd be most excellent to get some lore on Tenel'Ka from _Legends_ and her parents, a Dathomiran witch and a Hapan prince. There is a novel I never completed [reading] wherein Han Solo and Leia interact with said prince and his empire.
Been a massive fan of the Claw Craft for years. Design wise, beautiful, elegant, deadly, efficient. And it has life support!
As a Pittsburgher i chuckle every time some one mentions Jag Fel.
5:12: "Does that make sense in space? No, but that's just how _Star Wars_ is."
It's interesting how sometimes people admit that, and other times, people don't. Mainly depending on whether they like they rest of the work that the bad physics is featured in.
A shame we never got to see a clawcraft of purely Chiss design. Nor a detailed description of Chiss armor, although there is a mention of some "fractal-pattern armor".
It's rule of cool, WW2 bombing run isn't as cool as fighter maneuvers, when we had Y-wing bombers that were already cool.
i love these ships they look so much better then the basic tie fighter😊
I would like to see more on the Black Ace from Star Wars Resistance.
This sounds like the backstory to Thrawn's Defender project in star wars: rebels.
I am curious to see you break down/review some of the tech from Star Craft. If not your thing, no worries.
I would love for you to bring back #starshipversus !
#askeck
Here are some suggestions:
Bellator vs. Resurgent
Resurgent vs. The Raddus
Nebula + Endurance vs. Bellator
Not sure if you’ve covered this, but the small, obscure shuttle Capt. Needa uses in ESB to go apologize to Darth Vader has always interested me. You only get a brief, distance shot of it, but it looks surprisingly nimble.
Its basically a tie bomber but the bomb bay is replaced with a cargo area
Not sure if you could get enough material for a full video, but if you really want to go down the rabbit hole, there's a scene in Clone Wars season 6(?) where we see Anakin holding a model of a jedi starfighter. It has the basic fusalage of the Delta 7, but it's got strike foils and a pronged nose like the Eta 2. I think the ship was based off of some concept art, wonder if there is any more lore for it. Though that may be something for EC Henry to cook up lol
I want you to cover the 'star wing' or imperial gun boat from the early 'tie fighter' game.
Great video, but even greater drinking game if you take a shot after each "Clawcraft". Love your content, keep it coming :)
SO is like an A-wing (tilting guns) mixed with an TIE interceptor
One of my favorite starfighters🫶🏻
Should have made the sequels. The simple redesign of the LN and Interceptor models was the first rocky step from the Resurgence to the limp dong Imperial I recycle!
They're requels, not sequels, so they don't consider it rocky
Bro Chiss ships are just so awesome.
If you're looking for a neat theme, how about ships, weapons, places, ect that were vergences or Nexus' in the force?
I love me the concept of things and places suffused with the force until they're "alive"
Like Korriban, the cave on Dagobah, Anakin's lightsaber, ect.
Maybe ghost ships.
How about the Twi'Lek Char'Daki or Death Seed fighter
I really hope we see this ship in later New Republic era shows. Maybe in the Star Wars Avengers (it might as well be) movie.
Imagine replacing the armor on the wings with solar panels. The extra power would increase the speed and shield to near E-Wing level.
Could you cover the classes of the larger Chiss warships?
I was looking to see if you ever did a video on buzz droids and was unable to locate one
How about more info on the Empire of the Hand ships or legends Chiss ships?
Could you please explain how the period between the Pellaeon-Gavrisom (idk) treaty and the yuuzhan vong invasion looked for the imperial remnant?
Unsure if you have a video covering star wars ships that only appear in the video games or board games. Cause some like the crow( kyle katarns ship) were pretty cool looking.
is there any major info on the mandalorian wars that you didnt cover? how about some lore for the galaxy pre republic era? ive always been interested in the jedi civil war era and such.
Could you talk about the tie droid. I’ve only seen it once as a lego set in a tie fighter collection set. Apparently this was for legends. The description of it says that it first appeared during the battle of yavin.
Have you done a video on the Defel?
#askeck can you please do a video on what makes a proton torpedo different from a concussion missile. They seem to basically be the same thing
@@michaelandreipalon359 but then why do capital ships usually use concussion missiles & not proton torpedoes? & why don’t starfighters use more concussion missiles & not proton torpedoes?
@@michaelandreipalon359 mostly from what I’ve observed reading the novels & researching on wookiepedia
Could you cover the Vong War bring battle break downs