@@jaylord55 Hi, I do not have a video about it. But it is quite straightforward. You can find on the manual at page 13 the schematics for 3 speed and variable regen connections: kellycontroller.com/wp-content/uploads/kls-s/KellyKLS-SUserManualV1.10.pdf
@@gonzalop.chomon327 hosnestly that dosnt seem quite right to me it dosnt not show witch wires share withch wire/plug or anyhting and dosnt explain what to do just a random sketch. And dosnt tell you what wire dose what when in the configuration
@@jaylord55 Yeah it can be a bit confusing if you are not used to read schematics, let me try to explain. For 3 speed (Low, Medium, High): you need a 3 position switch and when the switch connects pin 11 (12V) with pin 22 is low speed, when switch connects pin 11 to pin 12 is high speed, when pin 11 is open in this switch then is medium speed. For variable regen braking: You need a Hall or potentiometer braking throttle (Pedal or handle) you connect the black wire of the throttle to pin 20 (Ground), red wire to pin 4 (5V) and the last throttle wire to pin 2 (Brake_AN signal) When programming the software you have to activate the 3 speed feature (don't confuse it with 3 gears feature) and define the kind of brake pedal/handle on the brake type.
Hola Gonzalo, the parameters that you don't know what they mean... IQ Kp/Ki and ID Kp/Ki refers to the amount of proportional and integral gains for de (Q)uadrature Axis And (D)irect Axis of the vector control current of the motor. So, they control the current gains of the motor, but, good to mention that, if you don't have a log or monitor to see what set point and real value are doing, makes no sense to touch them. Saludos, Luis
Thank you for your comment! I have a large 200A continuous motor I'm trying to run off a KLS7250N Kelly controller and it makes loud noises and stalls several times through the RPM range. Could it be these values that need adjusting to make it run smoothly? Thank you!
Great Video/Tutorial Is it difficult to connect a 2 axis joystick to two controllers? I build a mini tractor. But before buying motors and controllers I want to be sure I can use One joystick as tank mode. it means Not only backward and forward. It should be able to control rotation of two motors in different directions to make a left or right turn. Is it possible to wire two controller to one joystick? Thanks again for your video.
Yes, it is possible to use a joystick with this controllers. You can make them turn in both directions for tank steering. And even you can program how that turning direction behaves in relation with the speed and e-brake.
Great reviews. Really makes clear to me how these controllers work. 1000w hub motor on 48v dc Seriously looking at these controllers. Bought a lemon of an ebike on AliExpress. Sold as a cmacewheel y-20 but in reality a jumble of miscmatched parts. Have repaired bad soldering in motor. But feel I need to replace the “faulty” ???controller. Hoping I can find shipping from eu otherwise customs will be a pain. Reason I need a customisable controller is I live in an extremely hilly area so require help climbing hills another plus is the ebrake facility running through brake pads every 800 miles. Hoping this controller will fit in original space. I require pedal assist and throttle but thinking if there only one connection from controller I may be able to join both to one input. Any help or thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
Hello Gonzalo, i’m from Brazil and i’m starting a project using the KBS48101X Kelly controller. Do you know if is possíble to use this controller to provide 48v to a eletromagnetic brake at the same moment when i start running the motor with an acelerator?
Hi Eduardo, I suppose that you want to use the electromagnetic brake as a clutch in order to engage/disengage the motor from the system. So you need an on/off signal to activate it. I am not fully sure if this could work but I think is a possibility: This controller needs to have pin 15 connected ( to Pin 20 (RTN, Ground) in order to activate the throttle, I suggest that you use this ground signal to activate a relay that activates the electromagnetic brake.
Great job man, on kelly website is sad that motor can be controlled in torque mode , speed mode and in balanced mode. How we can change this modes ? Their support has been pretty silent about this. If you can help a man out it would be much appreciated.
I can see that you have a response, and using a KLS7275H model: This model does NOT have the possibility to choose between "Torque, Speed, Balanced" mode. But you can modify directly the PID values, although not recommended to make big variations here.
Hi Gonzalo, thanks so much! These videos have helped me out a lot. Question for you. I have a problem with the controller tripping when I punch the throttle too hard. When I do that it brings the 3 red 2 red error code. The bike will still run the same after it brings this code. I have a smart BMS and have looked at the data from it and it seems like it never gets above 60amps. I have the 48v 50-120amp kls s controller. The motor is a 1000w direct drive hub motor that can definitely do 3-5kW for short periods of time. My battery is 1.6kWh custom made that can certainly deliver the current. I've also set the BMS over current protection to 150amps so I don't believe the battery is the problem. I have both the battery current and motor current in the settings set to 100%. Do you have any thoughts on the issue? I would very much appreciate your help and guidance. Sincerely Zach
To clarify now I'm pretty sure it's bringing the 2-3 error code which is supposedly over temp protection. I think I might have a short in my wiring harness somewhere but I'm really not sure. Do you have any idea which wires if shorted would cause an over temp error?
@@carlton88444 Hi Carlton, On our first post you say error code 3-2 (internal reset) and on your second post you say error code 2-3 (over-temperature) As per you describe when it happens (Pussing throttle too hard) it is more likely to be a internal reset due to a momentary drop of voltage or momentary over current. First check all cables and conexions, make sure you are using the correct wire gauges, connectors, etc. to make sure there is minimal losses. I recommend you to not set the Battery Current and Motor Current at 100%. I noticed that this controllers do not perform well when set them at 100% in any value. So use 99% or lower in any of the % parameters. A 1% difference does not make a big difference after all. An probably it will solve your 3-2 error.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 thank you Gonzalo! I will adjust the parameters and see if that helps. I do believe that I have gotten both the 3-2 and 2-3 error codes at different times. The issue first starting happening with 3-2 internal reset error code when I would punch the throttle too hard. I would have to plug and unplug the battery in order to reset this code. Then just yesterday I started encountering a different problem. When I would hit the throttle even with no load it would stop, start flashing 2-3 over temp a couple times and then it would reset back to green automatically. My guess is that I have something loose in the wiring because occasionally I would move the controller and wires around and then briefly it would work normally. In addition to the 100% setting for percentages causing problems do you think that loose wires could also cause these issues? I'm also curious about wire gauge. I'm running 8 gauge wire from the battery and they're not very long. The phase wires are the standard relatively thin wires that come stock, probably 22 gauge. I would think they would be too thin but after 10 miles of riding I immediately checked them for heat and they barely got warm. All of the wires were cool and the motor was only at around 125 degrees Fahrenheit, not even too hot to touch with a barehand. I will go through all 3 of these and report back. Thank you so much for your time and knowledge, you have been a big help! Please let me know how I can best support you and your channel!
@@carlton88444 8 AWG for battery - controller wires looks very right to me for your motor (1000W+) anyway check that the connections/connectors do not get hot. The phase wires can be thinner than expected as they are running alternate current (AC). It is possible that a bad connection (loosen wire) or shortcut on any of the signal wires that in somehow interferes with the controller can cause a problem/s like you mention, check all them out.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 still can't get rid of the temp sensor error code. 2-3. So I bought another controller, a vesc type. I wonder if I shorted one of the wires on accident that in turn shorted the controller's internal thermistor, but I don't know.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 Getting my motor and controller tomorrow, very excited, your videos took my anxieties from 100 to 2 So thank you 🙏 from Galicia: graziñas
How would i get max torque right away? Mine seems to have a delay like when they crank the throttle it doesn't brap like a dirt bike..? Do you know how to chang that?
@@Razorcrew_Cole This are the following fields that influence acceleration: - Current Percent - Battery Limit - Accel Time - TPS Fwd MAP - Torque Speed KP - Torque Speed KI - Speed Err Limit And obviously the battery, motor and controller maximum power in relation with vehicle weight and gear ratios if there are. Check the videos for more info. If you have any doubt just ask.
@@Razorcrew_Cole Electric vehicles are always limited in acceleration by the software in order to prevent mechanical damages and/or accidentes. So you should not have problems of acceleration with an electric motor.
HI CAN YOU HELP WITH MY 7230S ITS NEW AND I NEED TO KNOW THE PINOUTS WIRES NUMBERS AND MUST IT BE PLUGGED INTO A PC OR IS IT PLUG N PLAY WITHOUT A PC ???
It is not usually a plug and play controller unless it has been matched with your motor and vehicle. You can download the manual from here: media.kellycontroller.com/new/KellyKLS-SUserManualV1.10.pdf You can find the pins definitions at page 10.
hi..thank you very much..question..i have a 3000w mxus motor..what kelly programable controller do i need? i will run 48 volts LTO battery pack...i may get mxus geared 1000w motor to try too.i would like to mayby run les voltage 36 or 24 v for testing as my LTO cells are big and heavy for 48v.
There is many controller that can work with that motor from, chosen one depends on your application. Can you let me know what the motor is going to be used for?
@@gonzalop.chomon327 thank you for taking the time to answer..the bike is built for bike packing events bothe off road and on road.the wheel size is small 17" motor bike wheel..im confused as kelly recomends big expensive controller but on forums its said the motor will only take 42.6 A continuous other wise it will over heat..but i dont know at what voltage the forum is talking about...i caculate at 48v i only need the smaller 99$ sine wave controller.as its continuous rating is 50 A continuous .
muy interesante tu video, me ha ayudado mucho a trabajar con el programa, una pregunta? sabes como conseguir el CALIBRATION ID del controlador? gracias por tus videos. saludos desde Barcelona.
No se muy bien a qué te refieres con el "CALIBRATO ID" Si te refieres al modelo y número de serie del controlador al abrir el programa en los modelos KLS te sale en la pantalla inicial al conectar el controlador en los primeros datos.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 estamos homologando una moto y le hemos hecho la prueba de potencia al motor y al controlador, y nos piden el CALIBRATION ID, que es un archivo que tiene el controlador en el cual guarda una configuración standard que tiene el controlador y donde se guardan los cambios de la configuración que hayas hecho.
@@begonacastillo65 Me temo que este controlador no tiene ese tipo de archivos. ¿Podría ser que os están pidiendo que identifiqueis y llevéis un registro de cada tipo de calibración de cada modelo/versión de alguna manera? De todas maneras pregunta directamente a Kelly por si te pueden ayudar.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 muchas gracias, con tu respuesta seguiremos indagando a ver si conseguimos lo que nos piden. Alomejor es lo que dices. De verdad, gracias por contestar.
@@sensepro7309 Yes; I suppose that is a PID regulation but I have not found any detailed information about those exact parameters at Kelly manuals or web page. The last values, of Kp, Ki and Speed error does influence on acceleration.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 IQ and ID maybe not on the user guides etc but in PID regulation documentation in general according the 3 last values ? I have a question, I am driving an electric scooter 12kW peak that weight 40kg with 11inch wheels (Weped FF from korea) taht can go 0-90kmh in 10 sec. The values are set like Torque speed Kp 2000, Torque speed Ki 10 and speed error limit 2000. This configuration was setup by the manufacturer, isn't that weird that the Speed Error is about 2000 ? Changing specs will affect motor temperature and risk to burn I guess ? They have already made a lot of tests but i try to improve the acceleration. Thank you so much for your helpful kind answers Mr. Gonzalo
@@sensepro7309 Certainly you can try to increase Kp and Ki, I will not go over 4000 and 50 respectively. The Speed error is already very high. And yes, increasing acceleration will obviously increase motor consumption so motor will heat up more.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 Hello Gonzalo thanks, I found that from ABB. There might has a formula to put the right settings according the KP Gain we target : th-cam.com/video/3viD5ij60EI/w-d-xo.html
@@gonzalop.chomon327 Does it mean that i have to connect the wiring to a wireless module in order to do that? I am new to this whole motor and controller so i am not too sure on how i should connect them
@@jiaxinlim2961 Yes, you need some kind of wireless module (receiver + signals creators) to do that. While it is not a very complex project for someone that has some experience with radio controls or electronics, it can be challenging if you have no experience in those matters at all.
Does anyone knows if the the Kelly Controller KLS7212S thrust command transfers to torque control loop or velocity control loop? What I mean is the "Torque Speed KP" and "Torque Speed Ki" are PID params of a Torque Controller or Velocty Controller?
It works as a mix of both, torque and speed control. Twitching the PID values you can move from a torque controlled monitoring to a speed one. But never one or the other purely.
Thank you for the response. Do you know what is the logic of the "mix"? I'm sending successfully thrust cmds (0-5V)from a Computer to a Kelly controller that rotates some Motor. I also sample the hall sensors of the motor for velocity measuring . My goal is to control the velocity of the motor. If the thrust cmd is a transferred to Torque or Velocity I can build a simple Velocity Control Loop , but if its a "mix" , thats just a mess 😞
@@Travellerrrr Telling you the truth: There is almost none information how to "Tune" the PID in this controllers. Let's say that the throttle signal is more related to speed than torque at low PID numbers. I have found that the default PID values in some motors are overkill at accelerations, while with other motors are lame. So I move them up or down until I find a nice driving experience.
I wrote error settings to the kls7230s and it went haywire, reads 0v and overvoltage, all halls at 1, software version and all other, including greyed out parameters changed, can you help? Idk if it can be reversed, I think I need to re-flash, but I would need the image and program...
I never had that issue, so I don't know how to help there. Sometimes if the voltage is too high the controller does not start and becomes difficult to connect to it. The way to solve it is to connect the controller to a low voltage source (Battery or power supply) and try to connect and reprogram. I do not know if it is possible to change the firmware on a Kelly controller. There is no firmware database at Kelly´s web page nor procedure about how to do it. I suggest you connect to Kelly to see if they can help.
KellyControllers should pay this guy! Your explainations helps alot! Thank you alot Gonzalo you're A-class dude ☝👍
Thank you Paul Johnsson, certainly they don't pay me.
thank you so much for your time spending giving information! so appreciated!
Thank you for the compliment.
Great series on the Kelly Controllers. I will be revisiting your videos once all my components arrive.
Thank you Forge
@@gonzalop.chomon327 is it possible to get a video on how to wire Variable regen and a 3 speed switch into this controller?
@@jaylord55 Hi, I do not have a video about it. But it is quite straightforward. You can find on the manual at page 13 the schematics for 3 speed and variable regen connections: kellycontroller.com/wp-content/uploads/kls-s/KellyKLS-SUserManualV1.10.pdf
@@gonzalop.chomon327 hosnestly that dosnt seem quite right to me it dosnt not show witch wires share withch wire/plug or anyhting and dosnt explain what to do just a random sketch. And dosnt tell you what wire dose what when in the configuration
@@jaylord55 Yeah it can be a bit confusing if you are not used to read schematics, let me try to explain.
For 3 speed (Low, Medium, High): you need a 3 position switch and when the switch connects pin 11 (12V) with pin 22 is low speed, when switch connects pin 11 to pin 12 is high speed, when pin 11 is open in this switch then is medium speed.
For variable regen braking: You need a Hall or potentiometer braking throttle (Pedal or handle) you connect the black wire of the throttle to pin 20 (Ground), red wire to pin 4 (5V) and the last throttle wire to pin 2 (Brake_AN signal)
When programming the software you have to activate the 3 speed feature (don't confuse it with 3 gears feature) and define the kind of brake pedal/handle on the brake type.
Thanks for explaining it👍🏻
A pleasure. :)
Hola Gonzalo, the parameters that you don't know what they mean... IQ Kp/Ki and ID Kp/Ki refers to the amount of proportional and integral gains for de (Q)uadrature Axis And (D)irect Axis of the vector control current of the motor. So, they control the current gains of the motor, but, good to mention that, if you don't have a log or monitor to see what set point and real value are doing, makes no sense to touch them.
Saludos,
Luis
Thank you very much for the info Luigis.
Thank you Luis
Thank you for your comment! I have a large 200A continuous motor I'm trying to run off a KLS7250N Kelly controller and it makes loud noises and stalls several times through the RPM range. Could it be these values that need adjusting to make it run smoothly?
Thank you!
Great Video/Tutorial
Is it difficult to connect a 2 axis joystick to two controllers?
I build a mini tractor.
But before buying motors and controllers I want to be sure
I can use One joystick as tank mode. it means Not only backward and forward. It should be able to control rotation of two motors in different directions to make a left or right turn.
Is it possible to wire two controller to one joystick?
Thanks again for your video.
Yes, it is possible to use a joystick with this controllers.
You can make them turn in both directions for tank steering.
And even you can program how that turning direction behaves in relation with the speed and e-brake.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 Thanks. So I do not need any extra devices like Arduino to connect the joystick to two controllers in tank mode?
@@roliki1890 No you do not need that.
Great reviews. Really makes clear to me how these controllers work.
1000w hub motor on 48v dc
Seriously looking at these controllers. Bought a lemon of an ebike on AliExpress. Sold as a cmacewheel y-20 but in reality a jumble of miscmatched parts. Have repaired bad soldering in motor. But feel I need to replace the “faulty” ???controller. Hoping I can find shipping from eu otherwise customs will be a pain.
Reason I need a customisable controller is I live in an extremely hilly area so require help climbing hills another plus is the ebrake facility running through brake pads every 800 miles. Hoping this controller will fit in original space. I require pedal assist and throttle but thinking if there only one connection from controller I may be able to join both to one input. Any help or thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you Pat O Mahony, I am afraid this controller model has no input for pedelc system.
Hello Gonzalo, i’m from Brazil and i’m starting a project using the KBS48101X Kelly controller. Do you know if is possíble to use this controller to provide 48v to a eletromagnetic brake at the same moment when i start running the motor with an acelerator?
Hi Eduardo, I suppose that you want to use the electromagnetic brake as a clutch in order to engage/disengage the motor from the system.
So you need an on/off signal to activate it.
I am not fully sure if this could work but I think is a possibility:
This controller needs to have pin 15 connected ( to Pin 20 (RTN, Ground) in order to activate the throttle, I suggest that you use this ground signal to activate a relay that activates the electromagnetic brake.
Thanks great info
A pleasure :)
Great job man, on kelly website is sad that motor can be controlled in torque mode , speed mode and in balanced mode. How we can change this modes ? Their support has been pretty silent about this. If you can help a man out it would be much appreciated.
Hi Nenad, What controller model you have?
I can see that you have a response, and using a KLS7275H model:
This model does NOT have the possibility to choose between "Torque, Speed, Balanced" mode.
But you can modify directly the PID values, although not recommended to make big variations here.
hola gonzalo me a servido mucho tu video gracias pero espere el parte 3 en español jajajaja
Los enlaces a las diferentes partes los tienes en la descripción ;-)
Hi Gonzalo, thanks so much! These videos have helped me out a lot.
Question for you. I have a problem with the controller tripping when I punch the throttle too hard. When I do that it brings the 3 red 2 red error code. The bike will still run the same after it brings this code.
I have a smart BMS and have looked at the data from it and it seems like it never gets above 60amps. I have the 48v 50-120amp kls s controller. The motor is a 1000w direct drive hub motor that can definitely do 3-5kW for short periods of time. My battery is 1.6kWh custom made that can certainly deliver the current. I've also set the BMS over current protection to 150amps so I don't believe the battery is the problem.
I have both the battery current and motor current in the settings set to 100%.
Do you have any thoughts on the issue? I would very much appreciate your help and guidance.
Sincerely
Zach
To clarify now I'm pretty sure it's bringing the 2-3 error code which is supposedly over temp protection. I think I might have a short in my wiring harness somewhere but I'm really not sure. Do you have any idea which wires if shorted would cause an over temp error?
@@carlton88444 Hi Carlton,
On our first post you say error code 3-2 (internal reset) and on your second post you say error code 2-3 (over-temperature)
As per you describe when it happens (Pussing throttle too hard) it is more likely to be a internal reset due to a momentary drop of voltage or momentary over current.
First check all cables and conexions, make sure you are using the correct wire gauges, connectors, etc. to make sure there is minimal losses.
I recommend you to not set the Battery Current and Motor Current at 100%. I noticed that this controllers do not perform well when set them at 100% in any value. So use 99% or lower in any of the % parameters. A 1% difference does not make a big difference after all.
An probably it will solve your 3-2 error.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 thank you Gonzalo!
I will adjust the parameters and see if that helps.
I do believe that I have gotten both the 3-2 and 2-3 error codes at different times. The issue first starting happening with 3-2 internal reset error code when I would punch the throttle too hard. I would have to plug and unplug the battery in order to reset this code.
Then just yesterday I started encountering a different problem. When I would hit the throttle even with no load it would stop, start flashing 2-3 over temp a couple times and then it would reset back to green automatically.
My guess is that I have something loose in the wiring because occasionally I would move the controller and wires around and then briefly it would work normally.
In addition to the 100% setting for percentages causing problems do you think that loose wires could also cause these issues?
I'm also curious about wire gauge. I'm running 8 gauge wire from the battery and they're not very long. The phase wires are the standard relatively thin wires that come stock, probably 22 gauge. I would think they would be too thin but after 10 miles of riding I immediately checked them for heat and they barely got warm. All of the wires were cool and the motor was only at around 125 degrees Fahrenheit, not even too hot to touch with a barehand.
I will go through all 3 of these and report back. Thank you so much for your time and knowledge, you have been a big help! Please let me know how I can best support you and your channel!
@@carlton88444 8 AWG for battery - controller wires looks very right to me for your motor (1000W+) anyway check that the connections/connectors do not get hot.
The phase wires can be thinner than expected as they are running alternate current (AC).
It is possible that a bad connection (loosen wire) or shortcut on any of the signal wires that in somehow interferes with the controller can cause a problem/s like you mention, check all them out.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 still can't get rid of the temp sensor error code. 2-3. So I bought another controller, a vesc type. I wonder if I shorted one of the wires on accident that in turn shorted the controller's internal thermistor, but I don't know.
Gracias great job
Thank you.
@@gonzalop.chomon327
Getting my motor and controller tomorrow, very excited, your videos took my anxieties from 100 to 2
So thank you 🙏 from Galicia: graziñas
@@peterrusanoff1010 Thank you, didn't knew that it had relax content. LOL
you there gonzalo? im waiting for your opinion in the conversation below before i purchase a controller..do you sell them by the way?
Apparently TH-cam does not like links on comments and they end deleted. But hope you have been able to find what you need.
Super instrukcje
Thank you SCOR
@@gonzalop.chomon327 Hello, I drive KBS72181AE but I tested the KLS7218S sine and your translation was useful to me again, thank you.
@@score-bike2155 glad that has been usefull.
Can you do how to connect Kelly wires please
You can find all the schematics to connect the controller in the manuals.
They can be downloaded from there: kellycontroller.com/support/
Hey man, have you ever got data from the can bus? I’m having trouble with that, don’t get any response from the controller.
Never tried any Kelly controller with CAB-BUS port.
Sorry.
Hi Gonzalo great vids. I have an issue with my kls controller. Could you help please?
Yes I can try, let me know the issue.
Any way I can send you a vid?
@@ethanstewart7193 I prefer if you can upload it to youtube or FB
I sent you a video on messanger
@@ethanstewart7193 I think I don't have messenger
How would i get max torque right away? Mine seems to have a delay like when they crank the throttle it doesn't brap like a dirt bike..? Do you know how to chang that?
In the Kellycontrollers there are different parameters that influence on how the motor accelerates. What controller model do you have?
I have a kelly kls n series
@@Razorcrew_Cole This are the following fields that influence acceleration:
- Current Percent
- Battery Limit
- Accel Time
- TPS Fwd MAP
- Torque Speed KP
- Torque Speed KI
- Speed Err Limit
And obviously the battery, motor and controller maximum power in relation with vehicle weight and gear ratios if there are.
Check the videos for more info.
If you have any doubt just ask.
The only one I have not messed with of those settings is the mapping one I couldn't feel it did much I appreciate the input!
@@Razorcrew_Cole
Electric vehicles are always limited in acceleration by the software in order to prevent mechanical damages and/or accidentes. So you should not have problems of acceleration with an electric motor.
HI CAN YOU HELP WITH MY 7230S ITS NEW AND I NEED TO KNOW THE PINOUTS WIRES NUMBERS AND MUST IT BE PLUGGED INTO A PC OR IS IT PLUG N PLAY WITHOUT A PC ???
It is not usually a plug and play controller unless it has been matched with your motor and vehicle.
You can download the manual from here: media.kellycontroller.com/new/KellyKLS-SUserManualV1.10.pdf
You can find the pins definitions at page 10.
hi..thank you very much..question..i have a 3000w mxus motor..what kelly programable controller do i need? i will run 48 volts LTO battery pack...i may get mxus geared 1000w motor to try too.i would like to mayby run les voltage 36 or 24 v for testing as my LTO cells are big and heavy for 48v.
There is many controller that can work with that motor from, chosen one depends on your application. Can you let me know what the motor is going to be used for?
@@gonzalop.chomon327 thank you for taking the time to answer..the bike is built for bike packing events bothe off road and on road.the wheel size is small 17" motor bike wheel..im confused as kelly recomends big expensive controller but on forums its said the motor will only take 42.6 A continuous other wise it will over heat..but i dont know at what voltage the forum is talking about...i caculate at 48v i only need the smaller 99$ sine wave controller.as its continuous rating is 50 A continuous .
muy interesante tu video, me ha ayudado mucho a trabajar con el programa, una pregunta? sabes como conseguir el CALIBRATION ID del controlador? gracias por tus videos. saludos desde Barcelona.
No se muy bien a qué te refieres con el "CALIBRATO ID"
Si te refieres al modelo y número de serie del controlador al abrir el programa en los modelos KLS te sale en la pantalla inicial al conectar el controlador en los primeros datos.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 estamos homologando una moto y le hemos hecho la prueba de potencia al motor y al controlador, y nos piden el CALIBRATION ID, que es un archivo que tiene el controlador en el cual guarda una configuración standard que tiene el controlador y donde se guardan los cambios de la configuración que hayas hecho.
@@begonacastillo65 Me temo que este controlador no tiene ese tipo de archivos.
¿Podría ser que os están pidiendo que identifiqueis y llevéis un registro de cada tipo de calibración de cada modelo/versión de alguna manera?
De todas maneras pregunta directamente a Kelly por si te pueden ayudar.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 muchas gracias, con tu respuesta seguiremos indagando a ver si conseguimos lo que nos piden. Alomejor es lo que dices. De verdad, gracias por contestar.
great great video!! thanks a lot friend :-)
Thank you NEWWORLD
For the IQ and ID, I found some information about the axis. Does it impact the acceleration ?
It does impact the PID regulation
@@sensepro7309 Yes; I suppose that is a PID regulation but I have not found any detailed information about those exact parameters at Kelly manuals or web page.
The last values, of Kp, Ki and Speed error does influence on acceleration.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 IQ and ID maybe not on the user guides etc but in PID regulation documentation in general according the 3 last values ? I have a question, I am driving an electric scooter 12kW peak that weight 40kg with 11inch wheels (Weped FF from korea) taht can go 0-90kmh in 10 sec. The values are set like Torque speed Kp 2000, Torque speed Ki 10 and speed error limit 2000. This configuration was setup by the manufacturer, isn't that weird that the Speed Error is about 2000 ? Changing specs will affect motor temperature and risk to burn I guess ? They have already made a lot of tests but i try to improve the acceleration. Thank you so much for your helpful kind answers Mr. Gonzalo
@@sensepro7309 Certainly you can try to increase Kp and Ki, I will not go over 4000 and 50 respectively. The Speed error is already very high.
And yes, increasing acceleration will obviously increase motor consumption so motor will heat up more.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 Hello Gonzalo thanks, I found that from ABB. There might has a formula to put the right settings according the KP Gain we target : th-cam.com/video/3viD5ij60EI/w-d-xo.html
How can i use KBS36051 Kelly Controller to control the motor remotely?
Hi Jiaxin, what do you mean with remotely?
Remotely from the computer or via remote control
@@jiaxinlim2961 It will be quite easy it just need a 0-5V signal for the throttle and brake, and an on/off switch for the reverse.
@@gonzalop.chomon327 Does it mean that i have to connect the wiring to a wireless module in order to do that? I am new to this whole motor and controller so i am not too sure on how i should connect them
@@jiaxinlim2961 Yes, you need some kind of wireless module (receiver + signals creators) to do that.
While it is not a very complex project for someone that has some experience with radio controls or electronics, it can be challenging if you have no experience in those matters at all.
Does anyone knows if the the Kelly Controller KLS7212S thrust command transfers to torque control loop or velocity control loop? What I mean is the "Torque Speed KP" and "Torque Speed Ki" are PID params of a Torque Controller or Velocty Controller?
It works as a mix of both, torque and speed control.
Twitching the PID values you can move from a torque controlled monitoring to a speed one. But never one or the other purely.
Thank you for the response.
Do you know what is the logic of the "mix"?
I'm sending successfully thrust cmds (0-5V)from a Computer to a Kelly controller that rotates some Motor.
I also sample the hall sensors of the motor for velocity measuring .
My goal is to control the velocity of the motor.
If the thrust cmd is a transferred to Torque or Velocity I can build a simple Velocity Control Loop , but if its a "mix" , thats just a mess 😞
@@Travellerrrr Telling you the truth: There is almost none information how to "Tune" the PID in this controllers.
Let's say that the throttle signal is more related to speed than torque at low PID numbers.
I have found that the default PID values in some motors are overkill at accelerations, while with other motors are lame.
So I move them up or down until I find a nice driving experience.
I wrote error settings to the kls7230s and it went haywire, reads 0v and overvoltage, all halls at 1, software version and all other, including greyed out parameters changed, can you help? Idk if it can be reversed, I think I need to re-flash, but I would need the image and program...
I never had that issue, so I don't know how to help there.
Sometimes if the voltage is too high the controller does not start and becomes difficult to connect to it. The way to solve it is to connect the controller to a low voltage source (Battery or power supply) and try to connect and reprogram.
I do not know if it is possible to change the firmware on a Kelly controller. There is no firmware database at Kelly´s web page nor procedure about how to do it. I suggest you connect to Kelly to see if they can help.
IT COMES ON AND BLINKS 3 TIMES THEN 4 TIMES
Means that there is an error at the Motor Angle Sensors. It can be damaged sensor/s, incorrect wiring or incorrect Sensors Angle procedure.