They Need to put more x in there. It should be like GTX 1660 Super Xtreme XL This way the card is less limitted by the absence of X in the name and therefore perform better. Like AMD whene they decided to put rx int the name or xt for the faster card. rx 5700 xt is only faster because of the x in xt. It's that simple. On CPUs it is also simple. Performance is better when there are higher digits in the number. Corecount is irrelevant. This is Intels secret.
@@fie1329 Following your logic, wouldn't the ryzen 3900x be better than intel? It has an X in it and none of the intel models do. Or is it different for cpus?
Sadly Turing can only adjust it's core frequencies at 15mhz increments. I still can't wait for the GTX 1660Ti +15mhz with a 15mhz factory overclock from Nvidia.
1660 always in moderation. That's the ultimate lesson to be learned here. Take note, Nvidia. By the way, Nintendo called. They want their 'Super' back.
@@oneeyedlittleman oh well shit, looks like Steve might get yelled at by nvidia for not including subliminal advertisement, has to get those nvidia dollars somehow? (sarcasm)
How many bags of money did Thermal Grizzly give you shills for the background product placement? Lot of Gamers Nexus merch laying around too, how much is Steve paying you, Steve?
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Well, we've only got 2 so far, and it looks more like we'll get: A crap one that shouldn't even exist. A low-end one that undercuts the 1660 super/Ti while matching its performance A midrange one that undercuts the 2060 super while matching its performance A marginally better one that undercuts the 2070 super while matching its performance It's not much of a range, really. At least it helps stop Nvidia ripping us off (but still, the compute unit counts, die size, and memory bus of these cards make it obvious how much they should actually cost)
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Well, we've only got 2 so far, and it looks more like we'll get: A crap one that shouldn't even exist. A low-end one that undercuts the 1660 super/Ti while matching its performance A midrange one that undercuts the 2060 super while matching its performance A marginally better one that undercuts the 2070 super while matching its performance It's not much of a range, really. At least it helps stop Nvidia ripping us off (but still, the compute unit counts, die size, and memory bus of these cards make it obvious how much they should actually cost)
"We can't drop prices, all the crypto miners are buying the supply!" "Oh here have 50 gigatons of useless silicon with a couple of cards worth buying." Yyyyyeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhh ok.
Kenneth Yaeger mx150! for laptops. Also, it still feels like the same name. 1660Ti is acceptable but I look at stores and even stores I think confuses the pricing of 1660 and 1660 Super
I still have mine and it's running like a champ.. I'm not running anything on 1440 or even 4k, I feel 1080 is my sweet spot in gaming experience and I run all my games full specs without any hiccups.
15:07 the moment of Overclocking... Vega 56 Stock 109 fps in 1080p and vega 56 UV + OC - 129 fps in 1440p stock 84 fps, UV+OC - 100 FPS..... Wow. That is awesome!
@@Enclosure_2k It actually does, EVGA's marketing of their graphics card have been like this for a while where their "SC" lineup is "not top of the line, but pretty dang good" and "SC" does stand for Super Clocked... Nvidia is just... being either idiots or douches with the Turing cards by bloating the market with useless additional card tiers. They try to undercut the AMD cards sales by basically having a graphics card at *every single price point* instead of being actually competitive with their prices within the tiers we have been used to for at least a decade now...
Ah, 2019, the good old times. It is now June 2021 and graphics cards are sold practically exclusively by scalpers. The 1660Super street price is US$650-800+, as the RTX 3000 cards are simply not available or not affordable, with 3060 street price over $1000 $230 seems like a steal. I came back to this review to see if a 1660S would be good enough for a new PC build.
1650s and 1660s are both great choices for 1080p. Either card will be impressive at that resolution. If you want to stream or record your playing however skip the 1650S. My FPS drop by 20 frames during certain events just recording with the 1650S the 1660S does not have that problem.
Is it possible to add a hyphen between the card name and its state of being stock/OC? The charts are getting to be cluttered enough that it's becoming harder to quickly parse everything without pausing on every screen. Eg. EVGA GTX 1660 Super - Stock EVGA GTX 1660 Super - OC +150/700
Except this card might as well be a Ti... Unlike in other cases where they name a card the same then have a DDR3 and GD5 model where they perform 2x as fast with the faster memory these border margin of error in performance.
1650, 1650 Super, 1660, 1660 Super, 1660 TI, 2060, 2060 Super, 2070, 2070 Super, 2080, 2080 Super, 2080 TI There's also TWO 1650's, one with GDDR5 and one with GDDR6 memory. This could be condensed so much, but it's somehow better than their laptop GPU branding.
great video, thank you for breaking down the price ranges with your recommendations. I'm currently planning 2 separate builds with a difference in budget of about $2000, all of the benchmarks helped.
@@solarstrike33 tbh we are always waiting for amd to do something but it always ends up underwhelming, at least they are doing amazing stuff in the cpu market
@@whatdafarkenhell7110 their pricing is bad but to enter the market they will have to undercut for a while, and it is harder to price fix with 3 companies than it is with 2.
@@CoCo.-_- honestly, that was true until navi. Right now, the 2070 super is around the performance of the 5700 xt, which costs 100 dollars less. Also, they are going to expand the navi lineup. It isn't vega, or Polaris.
Eh, a passively cooled 1030 is a good discrete card for a non-gamer who doesn't need HEDT compute performance. I dropped one into my HTPC and into my 70-year old dad's PC (his idea of gaming is solitaire) and they are a solid choice if you don't have or don't care for your existing integrated graphics option. The 1650 is a card without a bloody use. Too slow for gaming and overkill compared to a 1030 for a non-gamer system.
@@bradhaines3142 My dad's got something that is total overkill in his laptop too. At least with those, they are kind of bundled in. It's not like they or the sales guys went out of their way to include high end discrete graphics. I have taught my dad enough that he knows that the baseline graphics and sound (hearing isn't what it used to be) will do the job. What he appreciates is a big crisp 2D image on his monitor so text is big and clear. Lots of older folks have PCs way overbuilt (or underbuilt) for their needs. I've seen senior partners at firms who insist on having bleeding edge PCs (while their admins have ancient dinosaurs unsuitable for their needs) and then literally use their monitors as post-it note boards. Just a status symbol to them. Thankfully most of that crowd have retired by now.
Vega 56 can be found on sale here in the States at the sub $300 price point quite often which adds another card into the mix at these price points. It also basically crushes all cards in sub $300 price category... It's really quite confusing as to why we have so many GPUs with just incremental performance gains over cards already in this congested price category. Thanks for another great review GN...
Waste of time for us , big investments for invidia .. comon.. with 100 more bucks you get 5700 xt which is a freaking beast overclocked.. 400 dollars/ euros and you are ready to go
@Setzer K There is a prevailing theory that most people shop with a mentality of, "I have $X. Which Nvidia card can I get for this?" If that's true, the naming scheme is irrelevant.
@Setzer K I think looking at it from a lineup complexity standpoint, rather than naming scheme, is a better argument. Speaking of Apple, probably no company has a more ambiguous naming scheme. A decade's worth of products share identical names. If you want to know the differences you basically need to decode serial numbers or at least get approximate dates from MacOS' system information. There is also the matter of Nvidia's $150-$400 area being the most confusing, which is where most of the money is spent. However, I think people are more likely to defer purchases than jump to a competitor. It'd be kind of hard to convince me otherwise given the giant gap between the RX 500 series and the RX 5700 series that is flush with Nvidia products. Nvidia is basically competing with themselves with all these releases.
The vendor websites don't help shoppers at all. I'm a productivity user, want solid 4K Windows and 4K movie playback performance, multiple monitor support, and some occasional light gaming, and there is basically no way to drill down to the card that would suit my needs on any of the vendor websites (EVGA, Gigabyte, Nvidia, etc), or really any website out there, including PC Magazine, which used to run productivity tests and 2D performance tests, but apparently no more. So I went with this card, and am hoping for the best!
This massive lineup reminds me of the early 2000's and my first jump into PC gaming. I remember walking into best buy to purchase a new card graphics card for my $500 Compaq and being totally shocked by the huge selection and confusing naming conventions. I had no clue which was card was better than the other based off the names/numbers. Nice to see both companies keeping the trend going...
Just a thought: you should keep the old cards in the graphs while they are in top5-top10 in the steam usage charts... probably huge margin would get that as usefull information :)
I always try to figure out where my 980 TI places in these comparisons so I can figure out how much longer I should hold out on upgrading, but it's never on there. =(
The best part of this video is the part that had a 1060 on it, I've always wondered why you -or seemingly anyone else, even the Anandtech GPU charts don't easily let you directly compare a old to new card these days- don't compare the modern cards against the old cards more often. I don't really care about how much better a new card is over another new card since I can't easily see how much better either is compared to the current. By seeing that 1060 on there compared to the new cards I can easily see at a glance how much better the new cards are over my current one and am easily able to price-to-performance-increase over my current card rather than just a flat price-to-performance of all of the new cards. Yeah, I might pick out the best bang for the dollar one on a chart comparing all the new cards to the other new cards, but it might not be a large enough of a upgrade to have bothered.
So, I'm probably wrong here, but I was once told that the reason a consumer might see so many variants or models from CPUs or GPUs is due to lackluster yields. More specifically the defect rate and what is most commonly defected. Such as memory controllers, cache, etc. Conversely, if your yields are great, you need to fuse off good parts to create pricing segments. Or you can do soft fusing so enterprising consumers go and unlock the parts later on.
This week I began planning my new build from my FX6300 750ti set up. DAMN have things changed. The Ryzens are incredible and the GPU market is insane. Spent a couple of days alone comparing the Nvidia cards from the past 3 years. I'm glad I waited cause ima be able to build what would cost me $1500 in 2016 for almost half the price. RAM, SSDs, CPUS, everything is much cheaper. Very excited. the 2060 super is what I want for the new build and I think imma get a 1650 super for my old FX build just for the heck of it.
When the 1660 Super was first leaked I didn't expect much I thought it wouldn't perform that much better than a normal 1660 so I'm really surprised by the 1660 Super it's basically a 1660 Ti for $50 less I was planning on getting the 1660 Ti for my birthday on Saturday I'm gonna get the 1660 Super instead and get RDR2 with the money saved.
On the bright side, all of the product naming confusion can be used to confuse Best Buy employees into price matching the wrong variant at a lower price.
Sorry but the sponsorship Delta MAX, what I'm mostly interested in watching that is, Can I use that as a small extra monitor to display custom stuff on, and how does it perform.
The prices on these cards are stupid right now as of Dec 2020. Friggen 4-500 bucks for a 1660 ti. No. Just no. What the heck is wrong with this damn market.
Honestly, I bought the 1660 Super for about 250 USD almost a year ago now and now it is almost 600 brand new. Problem is, nobody is buying them at that price, but sellers want to make as much as possible capitalizing on the demand. Just goes to show what high demand and limited stock does! Economics in action for the better or the worse. :/
So if this is a preemptive strike on the rx 5500 or 5500 XT, how long until we see those? Should not be longer than a week from now, given how close the last SUPER counter was.
1:42 Steve I think I just had a brain aneurysm listening to this. I'm also pretty sure someone at NVIDIA is trying to give us all an aneurysm so we can't think straight about what to buy from them. Thank the tech heavens for your videos keeping things in check.
have not seen this kind of marketing since the US automakers of the fifties all of them had multiple brands but the end product was much the same with minor variations
I think that cards in this performance range will have most competition from the 2nd hand market, in a value option in RX 580 or a Vega card in higher performance for still a lower price
Blower style 5700s are going for roughly 300 dollars on sale or openbox and i cant see the value in the 1660ti when the 5700 is an option for the same price as a high end 1660ti AIB model
The super variants are mostly about nvidia utilizing the price drop of GDDR6 and bringing that to consumer prices, and following yield improvements to a binning curve of memory frequencies.
Steve you keep saying to get a 580 and overclock it to the 590 specs but that's not really possible. The 590 uses improved silicon so on average it clocks at least 100 MHz higher. Not a whole lot, but it's something the 580 can't match.
Glad I bought a 1080ti sc2 dirt cheap when the rtx series was first announced its still so much better then most of these new cards and for the price I paid an absolute steal
At this point anyone looking at purchasing a GTX 1660 Ti has two really great choices. The Rx 5700 for some really outstanding performance or the GTX 1660 Super for basically the same performance at a little lower price. Good time for building a Mid-Range to lower mid-range PC build. Great video. Thank you. Cheers
Newegg Email Deals including MIR, over the last few months each of these deals have happened about once each month. RX 570 $120-$130 RX 580 $150-$160 GTX 1060 $160-$170 RX 590 $170-$180 GTX 1660 $190-$200 GTX 1660Ti $240-$250 RTX 2060 $280-$290 RX 5700 $330? I have not seen one myself in "email deal" only on sale for $10 off dropping it to $320.
So after this long video I can't choose : Is it better to buy 1660 for 250$ in my country or spend 40-50$ more for the 1660 super and 1660ti is like 300-310$ ? I don't see a huge fps difference between them . With 40-50$ I can buy myself 1 more 8GB 3000mhz Ram or 1 TB HDD . Coming from a 1050ti .
oh my god, all the "60's" on this gave me a headache (not your fault, of course, excellent coverage as always). i can only imagine how head splitting it must've been to actually say them
On one of the points that was made in this video, I've never seen charts or review where in rx580 could match or even come close to the clocks that I get on my RX 590, furthermore I don't have an RX 580 but from the charts that I've seen on many different views, including this very channels reviews, you can get 5 to 10 to 15 frames more on almost any 590 than you can from almost any 580. I don't know, I'm really not sure if an RX 580 overclocked is exactly the same thing as a 590. Of course I did get my 594 $230 back in February. It was a great deal I think.
Hey that b roll of the rx580 had the card and the rx580 box in the same frames,so is that 2 product placements for AMD,or 1? Just trying to keep count. There are so many rules now
The original 1660 is handicapped by low memory clocks out of the box. 6 of the tests shown here were also done with an overclocked 1660 & 1660Ti in the review from March. Overclocked 1660S vs Overclocked 1660 (OC 1660S vs OC 1660Ti) AVG FPS: 106.8% (99.8%) 1% Lows: 105.3% (99.1%) 0.1% Lows: 101.4% (95.4%)
Absolutely yes, I upgraded from 770 to 1660 Ti a few weeks ago, the difference is from night to day, but know you need to consider the 1660 Ti Super because is cheaper
1660 super in the post to replace my 970. Agreed I think it’s a good decision. I play 1440p with high settings and 50 FPS is fine for me. £200 for a significant upgrade, works for me.
Commenting to raise your engagement. Also, the "super" designation is stupid without it being red and blue with a non trademark infringing "S in a diamond shape" logo.
The RX590 is not just an overclocked 580. It's also built on a smaller process (12nm vs 14nm) meaning these higher clocks come naturally. This also means you can overclock it higher than a 580.
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Forgot the Titan RTX which technically is part of the RTX line up, makes it 12 so far
Remember use protection to prevent STD’s and 12 GPU SKU’s
Keeping my hard earned cash for the 1660 ti super duper.
They Need to put more x in there. It should be like GTX 1660 Super Xtreme XL
This way the card is less limitted by the absence of X in the name and therefore perform better. Like AMD whene they decided to put rx int the name or xt for the faster card. rx 5700 xt is only faster because of the x in xt. It's that simple.
On CPUs it is also simple. Performance is better when there are higher digits in the number. Corecount is irrelevant. This is Intels secret.
@@fie1329 Following your logic, wouldn't the ryzen 3900x be better than intel? It has an X in it and none of the intel models do.
Or is it different for cpus?
@@fie1329 GTX 1660x Super Xtreme XL X
Supa Dupa Fly Missy Elliot Edition
@@fie1329 They need to put "gaming" in there somewhere so they can also raise the price $50 😂
Ok
This is why you use protection or you get a family of 12
Jebaited!
Only in america, where making informed choices that affect your entire life is illegal
ma N dude got no pullout game
@@M3PH11 Birth control is illegal in America? That's abominable!
@@vyor8837 I forgot to add a sarcasm tag
NVIDIA is giving us choice at 5MHz intervals... great...
lol
Not £5 or $5 dollar intervals though.
when will you guys will understand that mhz dont make everything
Lmfao
Sadly Turing can only adjust it's core frequencies at 15mhz increments. I still can't wait for the GTX 1660Ti +15mhz with a 15mhz factory overclock from Nvidia.
"AMD is confusing customers with their naming scheme"
Nvidia: Hold my cuda cores
Final 1660 mention count:
78
Acceptable range is between 16 and 60
@@oneeyedlittleman Why do you discriminate those who under 16? We must defeat this ageist society by lowering our acceptable range!
1660 always in moderation. That's the ultimate lesson to be learned here. Take note, Nvidia. By the way, Nintendo called. They want their 'Super' back.
@@oneeyedlittleman oh well shit, looks like Steve might get yelled at by nvidia for not including subliminal advertisement, has to get those nvidia dollars somehow? (sarcasm)
Holy crap you actually counted?
How many bags of money did Thermal Grizzly give you shills for the background product placement? Lot of Gamers Nexus merch laying around too, how much is Steve paying you, Steve?
Did I just find the best comment on TH-cam
I noticed the AMD shroud and the Pulse, these keep staying in my vision event though he is talking about Nvidia this whole video. Hmmm...
meareweird how much did AMD pay NVIDIA pay Steve to pay Steve to...
Fuck
@@berengerchristy6256 Look at that XFX card front and center. I bet it cost them a bundle after that THICC disaster
Wait did you just expose that Steve is shilling for Gamers Nexus?!? That could blow this whole story wide open!
I miss the old days when you'd get like 4 SKU's per life cycle. A cheap one, an average one, an enthusiast one and an overpriced one :D
Me too. If you want new consumers to hate you, this is how you do it.
AMD is doing it fine with Navi
Well now you get all overpriced ones :D
*For what they are compared to the previous gen.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Well, we've only got 2 so far, and it looks more like we'll get:
A crap one that shouldn't even exist.
A low-end one that undercuts the 1660 super/Ti while matching its performance
A midrange one that undercuts the 2060 super while matching its performance
A marginally better one that undercuts the 2070 super while matching its performance
It's not much of a range, really. At least it helps stop Nvidia ripping us off (but still, the compute unit counts, die size, and memory bus of these cards make it obvious how much they should actually cost)
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Well, we've only got 2 so far, and it looks more like we'll get:
A crap one that shouldn't even exist.
A low-end one that undercuts the 1660 super/Ti while matching its performance
A midrange one that undercuts the 2060 super while matching its performance
A marginally better one that undercuts the 2070 super while matching its performance
It's not much of a range, really. At least it helps stop Nvidia ripping us off (but still, the compute unit counts, die size, and memory bus of these cards make it obvious how much they should actually cost)
Steve's Nvidia performance table is going to look like his case performance table by spring.
"We can't drop prices, all the crypto miners are buying the supply!"
"Oh here have 50 gigatons of useless silicon with a couple of cards worth buying."
Yyyyyeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhh ok.
at least they're all getting different names this time around, as opposed to (how many? 5?) different cards all named "gtx 1060"
That's fair.
It's 7 I think. Might be more depending on how many cut-down limited export versions they stealth-released :P
Agreed. What Nvidia is doing now is annoying but fine. What they did with the 1030 was almost illegal.
they took our criticism literally lol
Kenneth Yaeger mx150! for laptops.
Also, it still feels like the same name. 1660Ti is acceptable but I look at stores and even stores I think confuses the pricing of 1660 and 1660 Super
Looking back at this, we were angry that NVidia had too many GPUs, now... the whole thing is on fire.
I'm so glad to even have this card. 1660 Super owners should be hugging their GPU in times like these lol.
I still have mine and it's running like a champ.. I'm not running anything on 1440 or even 4k, I feel 1080 is my sweet spot in gaming experience and I run all my games full specs without any hiccups.
@psyborg01 I don't own a 1660 Super anymore. In January 2022 I replaced it with a 6600XT and then in January 2023 I got a 4070 Ti.
I find it funny how Steve stutters as his mind needs to take a while to make sure he's referencing the right card, although can't blame him
15:07 the moment of Overclocking...
Vega 56 Stock 109 fps in 1080p and vega 56 UV + OC - 129 fps
in 1440p stock 84 fps, UV+OC - 100 FPS..... Wow. That is awesome!
im pretty sure the SC in EVGA GTX 1660 Super SC Ultra stands for *Super* Clocked sooo.... it`s an EVGA GTX 1660 Super *Super* Clocked Ultra.
nice.
Wait what??
@@Enclosure_2k Exactly
They also have a SSC lineup. So we could get an EVGA GTX 1660 Super Super *Super* Clocked.
@@Enclosure_2k It actually does, EVGA's marketing of their graphics card have been like this for a while where their "SC" lineup is "not top of the line, but pretty dang good" and "SC" does stand for Super Clocked...
Nvidia is just... being either idiots or douches with the Turing cards by bloating the market with useless additional card tiers. They try to undercut the AMD cards sales by basically having a graphics card at *every single price point* instead of being actually competitive with their prices within the tiers we have been used to for at least a decade now...
@@sirmyself I have no words for this.... nvidia is just -_- with this gpus. Why this even here? Isnt 2060 cheap AF now?
Ah, 2019, the good old times. It is now June 2021 and graphics cards are sold practically exclusively by scalpers. The 1660Super street price is US$650-800+, as the RTX 3000 cards are simply not available or not affordable, with 3060 street price over $1000
$230 seems like a steal.
I came back to this review to see if a 1660S would be good enough for a new PC build.
1650s and 1660s are both great choices for 1080p. Either card will be impressive at that resolution. If you want to stream or record your playing however skip the 1650S. My FPS drop by 20 frames during certain events just recording with the 1650S the 1660S does not have that problem.
This comment didnt age well, fortunately :p
The 1660 Super plummeted in price I bought mine for 214 recently for a CAD modeling rig workstation gaming computer thing
19:20 better watch out Steve, your arm is covering the branding on the 1080 Ti and Titan boxes... big green wont be happy about that
Honestly it's not complicated having up to 3 versions of one card. It's not like they overlap in performance either. You have 16
Is it possible to add a hyphen between the card name and its state of being stock/OC? The charts are getting to be cluttered enough that it's becoming harder to quickly parse everything without pausing on every screen.
Eg.
EVGA GTX 1660 Super - Stock
EVGA GTX 1660 Super - OC +150/700
It sure is tough to hit the spacebar :P
Some of us don't have the time to fully mono-task.
NVidia learned how to rename existing products without being blamed: append "Super"
Except this card might as well be a Ti... Unlike in other cases where they name a card the same then have a DDR3 and GD5 model where they perform 2x as fast with the faster memory these border margin of error in performance.
@@wewillrockyou1986 yes, 2nd 1660 Ti would make much more sense
soon to be followed by the "Super Duper"
@@johnscott3942 "Super Duper" did not perform well with test groups. Instead they've decided to go with "Superer."
@@cgnefarious5785 Super evolves into Superer which evolves into Superest.
What a bloated and confusing lineup
I like him but he made it much much worse. He always does.
1650, 1650 Super, 1660, 1660 Super, 1660 TI, 2060, 2060 Super, 2070, 2070 Super, 2080, 2080 Super, 2080 TI
There's also TWO 1650's, one with GDDR5 and one with GDDR6 memory.
This could be condensed so much, but it's somehow better than their laptop GPU branding.
@@obiwanyutuben ??
great video, thank you for breaking down the price ranges with your recommendations. I'm currently planning 2 separate builds with a difference in budget of about $2000, all of the benchmarks helped.
I can't wait for Intel to release a consumer gaming GPU, this price gouging is just insane.
Also the Big Navi rumors.
@@solarstrike33 tbh we are always waiting for amd to do something but it always ends up underwhelming, at least they are doing amazing stuff in the cpu market
Because intel pricing good? GTFOH
@@whatdafarkenhell7110 their pricing is bad but to enter the market they will have to undercut for a while, and it is harder to price fix with 3 companies than it is with 2.
@@CoCo.-_- honestly, that was true until navi. Right now, the 2070 super is around the performance of the 5700 xt, which costs 100 dollars less. Also, they are going to expand the navi lineup. It isn't vega, or Polaris.
I was discussing this card with my friend earlier and she's come to the conclusion that nVidia's nomenclature is dang confusing.
Is your friend single?
I guess Nvidia is in kahoots with Intel again..... That 10th gen lineup is even worse than this......
That's on purpose.
@@Asdayasman Even as a joke this is just sad
noompunk is it? The higher the number the better and then super is better and ti is the best at each number.
Webster’s Super: above,beyond
Nvidia’s Super: Rebrand
Why is everyone forgetting the most important of them all? GT 1030!
GT 1330 ti non super is my go to card😎
Eh, a passively cooled 1030 is a good discrete card for a non-gamer who doesn't need HEDT compute performance. I dropped one into my HTPC and into my 70-year old dad's PC (his idea of gaming is solitaire) and they are a solid choice if you don't have or don't care for your existing integrated graphics option. The 1650 is a card without a bloody use. Too slow for gaming and overkill compared to a 1030 for a non-gamer system.
@@bradhaines3142 My dad's got something that is total overkill in his laptop too. At least with those, they are kind of bundled in. It's not like they or the sales guys went out of their way to include high end discrete graphics. I have taught my dad enough that he knows that the baseline graphics and sound (hearing isn't what it used to be) will do the job. What he appreciates is a big crisp 2D image on his monitor so text is big and clear.
Lots of older folks have PCs way overbuilt (or underbuilt) for their needs. I've seen senior partners at firms who insist on having bleeding edge PCs (while their admins have ancient dinosaurs unsuitable for their needs) and then literally use their monitors as post-it note boards. Just a status symbol to them. Thankfully most of that crowd have retired by now.
Vega 56 can be found on sale here in the States at the sub $300 price point quite often which adds another card into the mix at these price points. It also basically crushes all cards in sub $300 price category...
It's really quite confusing as to why we have so many GPUs with just incremental performance gains over cards already in this congested price category. Thanks for another great review GN...
11th graphics card release in 11 months? Talk about ewaste. What a waste
Waste of time for us , big investments for invidia .. comon.. with 100 more bucks you get 5700 xt which is a freaking beast overclocked.. 400 dollars/ euros and you are ready to go
I think they're just trying to crowd AMD out of the market
well amd are out in the mid range unless they release rx 5600 that has 1660ti performance or better for lesser price
@Setzer K id rather buy used 1070ti/1080 than this garbage :D
@Setzer K There is a prevailing theory that most people shop with a mentality of, "I have $X. Which Nvidia card can I get for this?" If that's true, the naming scheme is irrelevant.
@Setzer K I think looking at it from a lineup complexity standpoint, rather than naming scheme, is a better argument. Speaking of Apple, probably no company has a more ambiguous naming scheme. A decade's worth of products share identical names. If you want to know the differences you basically need to decode serial numbers or at least get approximate dates from MacOS' system information.
There is also the matter of Nvidia's $150-$400 area being the most confusing, which is where most of the money is spent. However, I think people are more likely to defer purchases than jump to a competitor. It'd be kind of hard to convince me otherwise given the giant gap between the RX 500 series and the RX 5700 series that is flush with Nvidia products. Nvidia is basically competing with themselves with all these releases.
*tinfoil hat intensifies*
The vendor websites don't help shoppers at all. I'm a productivity user, want solid 4K Windows and 4K movie playback performance, multiple monitor support, and some occasional light gaming, and there is basically no way to drill down to the card that would suit my needs on any of the vendor websites (EVGA, Gigabyte, Nvidia, etc), or really any website out there, including PC Magazine, which used to run productivity tests and 2D performance tests, but apparently no more. So I went with this card, and am hoping for the best!
This massive lineup reminds me of the early 2000's and my first jump into PC gaming. I remember walking into best buy to purchase a new card graphics card for my $500 Compaq and being totally shocked by the huge selection and confusing naming conventions. I had no clue which was card was better than the other based off the names/numbers. Nice to see both companies keeping the trend going...
Just a thought: you should keep the old cards in the graphs while they are in top5-top10 in the steam usage charts... probably huge margin would get that as usefull information :)
I always try to figure out where my 980 TI places in these comparisons so I can figure out how much longer I should hold out on upgrading, but it's never on there. =(
@@cgnefarious5785 980 Ti is about on par with a GTX 1070 isnt it? You could use that card as a point of reference 🤔
You forgot the Titan V and it's subsequent Super model are Turing as well.
This has been the one of hardest reviews to fallow and understand...all i hear constantly is 16 and 60...sometimes super sometimes Ti...
The Cat association is paying for the top shelf sponsorship.
The best part of this video is the part that had a 1060 on it, I've always wondered why you -or seemingly anyone else, even the Anandtech GPU charts don't easily let you directly compare a old to new card these days- don't compare the modern cards against the old cards more often. I don't really care about how much better a new card is over another new card since I can't easily see how much better either is compared to the current. By seeing that 1060 on there compared to the new cards I can easily see at a glance how much better the new cards are over my current one and am easily able to price-to-performance-increase over my current card rather than just a flat price-to-performance of all of the new cards. Yeah, I might pick out the best bang for the dollar one on a chart comparing all the new cards to the other new cards, but it might not be a large enough of a upgrade to have bothered.
Steve by next year: "We have 53000 rows of data for graphics cards release in the past 12 months"
This guy's inflection of his sentences reminds me of Chris MacLean, the sadistic show host in the Total Drama Island cartoon.
I can't unhear it.
So, I'm probably wrong here, but I was once told that the reason a consumer might see so many variants or models from CPUs or GPUs is due to lackluster yields. More specifically the defect rate and what is most commonly defected. Such as memory controllers, cache, etc. Conversely, if your yields are great, you need to fuse off good parts to create pricing segments. Or you can do soft fusing so enterprising consumers go and unlock the parts later on.
This week I began planning my new build from my FX6300 750ti set up.
DAMN have things changed. The Ryzens are incredible and the GPU market is insane. Spent a couple of days alone comparing the Nvidia cards from the past 3 years. I'm glad I waited cause ima be able to build what would cost me $1500 in 2016 for almost half the price. RAM, SSDs, CPUS, everything is much cheaper. Very excited. the 2060 super is what I want for the new build and I think imma get a 1650 super for my old FX build just for the heck of it.
When the 1660 Super was first leaked I didn't expect much I thought it wouldn't perform that much better than a normal 1660 so I'm really surprised by the 1660 Super it's basically a 1660 Ti for $50 less I was planning on getting the 1660 Ti for my birthday on Saturday I'm gonna get the 1660 Super instead and get RDR2 with the money saved.
I leave this video really wanting to grow my hair out.
Product placement? I think so sir.
Gonna let that freak flag fly~
I wait for the day when he sponsors shampoo and conditioner
He’s in the pocket of Big Conditioner.
On the bright side, all of the product naming confusion can be used to confuse Best Buy employees into price matching the wrong variant at a lower price.
Sorry but the sponsorship Delta MAX, what I'm mostly interested in watching that is, Can I use that as a small extra monitor to display custom stuff on, and how does it perform.
This video would make for a great drinking game. Every time Steve says sixteen or sixty u take a drink.
Big Navi when? Should I wait for the 5900XT, wait for Ampere, or just grab whatever 2070 Super is cheapest on black Friday?
The prices on these cards are stupid right now as of Dec 2020. Friggen 4-500 bucks for a 1660 ti. No. Just no. What the heck is wrong with this damn market.
Honestly, I bought the 1660 Super for about 250 USD almost a year ago now and now it is almost 600 brand new. Problem is, nobody is buying them at that price, but sellers want to make as much as possible capitalizing on the demand.
Just goes to show what high demand and limited stock does! Economics in action for the better or the worse. :/
Pronouncing XVI and LX has never been more difficult... An applause for Steve's patience and eloquence! 😊
"it's not super exciting" hahhha
And the award for "Why does this exist?" goes to: Its a tie between the 5th i9-9900 and the 5th Turing 60 series card
1. i9 9900
2. i9 9900k
3. i9 9900kf
4. i9 9900kfc
5. i9 9900ks
6. i9 9900t(i think this is a mobile chip but still uses the same numbers)
7. i9 9900X
Ok, who's gonna be the chosen one to count how many times steve said 1660 in this review?
According to the audio transcription... 64 times
@@MrVicho57 And according to numerology, Steve is teasing Vega 64 reborn in Navi. It's the only logical conclusion.
Remember when there were too many nvidia cards on the market to choose from?
rx470 was so good in 2016, looking back, inn 2019 its still one of the best bang for your buck, thats nuts.
Jeffrey Bozko I had that card, great little trooper for 1080p
Bless AMD FIneWine.
@@Alexandra-ek7kh i agree
Just got a used Rx470 for $79 shipped.
@@InimicusSolitus nice deal, its an amazing gpu and also energy efficient, its the most energy efficient polaris out there.
So if this is a preemptive strike on the rx 5500 or 5500 XT, how long until we see those? Should not be longer than a week from now, given how close the last SUPER counter was.
And as of 2021. I can’t find any of them
1:42 Steve I think I just had a brain aneurysm listening to this. I'm also pretty sure someone at NVIDIA is trying to give us all an aneurysm so we can't think straight about what to buy from them. Thank the tech heavens for your videos keeping things in check.
Just buy it...an AMD card that is.
what was the VRAM running at on the ti and S? was it 12Gbps or 14Gbps?
have not seen this kind of marketing since the US automakers of the fifties all of them had multiple brands but the end product was much the same with minor variations
WAIT!?! I'm sure I counted one extra Team Green box in the background, what are you trying to pull ShillShack :p
I think that cards in this performance range will have most competition from the 2nd hand market, in a value option in RX 580 or a Vega card in higher performance for still a lower price
I agree
Looking forward to the tear-down
I got a 2060 Super! Didn't pay any attention to the word super on it. Thought that was part of Zotac's naming.
Steve did you forget about the Vega 56?
But... What about the Titans!?
Blower style 5700s are going for roughly 300 dollars on sale or openbox and i cant see the value in the 1660ti when the 5700 is an option for the same price as a high end 1660ti AIB model
How are the problems with the VRAM coming? Less, about the same or more?
The super variants are mostly about nvidia utilizing the price drop of GDDR6 and bringing that to consumer prices, and following yield improvements to a binning curve of memory frequencies.
Nvidia heard you. Anything ending in 50 sounds too low.
Steve you keep saying to get a 580 and overclock it to the 590 specs but that's not really possible. The 590 uses improved silicon so on average it clocks at least 100 MHz higher. Not a whole lot, but it's something the 580 can't match.
Glad I bought a 1080ti sc2 dirt cheap when the rtx series was first announced its still so much better then most of these new cards and for the price I paid an absolute steal
At this point anyone looking at purchasing a GTX 1660 Ti has two really great choices. The Rx 5700 for some really outstanding performance or the GTX 1660 Super for basically the same performance at a little lower price. Good time for building a Mid-Range to lower mid-range PC build.
Great video. Thank you.
Cheers
Any idea when the rx 5600 could release ? I wanted to wait but they announced rx 5500 instead... 😒
Newegg Email Deals including MIR, over the last few months each of these deals have happened about once each month.
RX 570 $120-$130
RX 580 $150-$160
GTX 1060 $160-$170
RX 590 $170-$180
GTX 1660 $190-$200
GTX 1660Ti $240-$250
RTX 2060 $280-$290
RX 5700 $330? I have not seen one myself in "email deal" only on sale for $10 off dropping it to $320.
Which would you pick?? Zotac 1660 ti amp or evga 2060 xc ultra gaming???? Thank in advance!
I think we need a 1750 and a 1760 in there in at least 2 version each. It just doesn't seem complete now, you know?
1776 July 4th edition?
We need a 1660 Super TiTi
So whats next the 2060, 2070, and 2080 Super Ti ?
So, I should buy a 1080ti? Thanks for making a confusing subject a little less confusing.
So... according to your chart, 1060 6GB is 28% faster than 1660 stock @1080p in GTA5? Are you sure about this result?
did nVidia and Intel Marketing reps went to the same seminar about how to confuse your customers with naming or what?
So after this long video I can't choose : Is it better to buy 1660 for 250$ in my country or spend 40-50$ more for the 1660 super and 1660ti is like 300-310$ ? I don't see a huge fps difference between them . With 40-50$ I can buy myself 1 more 8GB 3000mhz Ram or 1 TB HDD . Coming from a 1050ti .
Also - why no AMD boxes behind you? Did that reddit post get to you steve?
I'm running a rx 480 4gb I plan to upgrade to the 1660 super not willing to push for the 2060
Would it kill you to actually show charts while you recite all the numbers and specs ? It's very hard to follow ...
oh my god, all the "60's" on this gave me a headache (not your fault, of course, excellent coverage as always). i can only imagine how head splitting it must've been to actually say them
Do you think they'll bring it down even more on black Friday
On one of the points that was made in this video, I've never seen charts or review where in rx580 could match or even come close to the clocks that I get on my RX 590, furthermore I don't have an RX 580 but from the charts that I've seen on many different views, including this very channels reviews, you can get 5 to 10 to 15 frames more on almost any 590 than you can from almost any 580. I don't know, I'm really not sure if an RX 580 overclocked is exactly the same thing as a 590. Of course I did get my 594 $230 back in February. It was a great deal I think.
I have no idea where to go from my 980ti.
Wait for 7nm EUV?
I'm waiting for Nvidia 3000 series
Maybe nvidia will come out with a 2080ti super in November and a titan rtx 2080ti super in December, or not
Hey that b roll of the rx580 had the card and the rx580 box in the same frames,so is that 2 product placements for AMD,or 1? Just trying to keep count. There are so many rules now
The original 1660 is handicapped by low memory clocks out of the box. 6 of the tests shown here were also done with an overclocked 1660 & 1660Ti in the review from March.
Overclocked 1660S vs Overclocked 1660 (OC 1660S vs OC 1660Ti)
AVG FPS: 106.8% (99.8%)
1% Lows: 105.3% (99.1%)
0.1% Lows: 101.4% (95.4%)
The one useful bit of info in this review reminds me that the 1660 super/Ti is a good upgrade from my 960.
Absolutely yes, I upgraded from 770 to 1660 Ti a few weeks ago, the difference is from night to day, but know you need to consider the 1660 Ti Super because is cheaper
1660 super in the post to replace my 970. Agreed I think it’s a good decision. I play 1440p with high settings and 50 FPS is fine for me. £200 for a significant upgrade, works for me.
Thank for your reviews as always.
I'm still waiting for a potential 2080 Ti Super to justify swapping my 1080 Ti...
Tbh I think its not fair there's no Matrox, 3dfx VooDoo, Hercules, Elsa, Real3D boxes in the shots! :D
So the 1650 super will be around Christmas time?
So, if they made a Super revision of the 1660 Ti, would it be called "1660 Ti Super" or "1660 Super Ti"?
Commenting to raise your engagement. Also, the "super" designation is stupid without it being red and blue with a non trademark infringing "S in a diamond shape" logo.
Font needs to be bigger on charts for phone viewers
The RX590 is not just an overclocked 580. It's also built on a smaller process (12nm vs 14nm) meaning these higher clocks come naturally. This also means you can overclock it higher than a 580.
I think I'm gonna hold on to my 980Ti for just a little while longer... this current lineup is ridiculous