I can understand the pack not working after a couple months of not being charged. What about the ones you buy right off the box that doesn't work it's what I was looking for
Over heated in the trunk? I can’t store my O’Reilly’s Super Start in the trunk of my Miata b/c if my battery is dead, the key fob will not open the trunk! Any solutions? Thanks!
So, let met get this straight, I purchased the 2260 model and used it 3 times, now I can't recharge the unit and I need to replace the battery pack? Seems a lot of upkeep for a 129$ unit.....
Hi - Thanks for your comment. Be sure to direct your experience and questions to the manufacturer. Their contact info is in the metadata below the video. Thanks for watching!
How to revive a dead Schumacher Redfuel SL65 Jump Starter or other similar devices Symptoms: my friend’s unit would show 100% charge when connected to wall charger. When disconnected from wall charger, sliding power switch on and pressing power button next to display - nothing happens. This is what I recommend and why: I checked the voltage at the output terminals using a digital volt meter (where you connect the jumper cable attachment) and got a reading of 0.7V. What happened is my friend Roger probably drained the unit below the 40% charge level or didn’t charge it for an extended period of time and the internal lithium battery (3 cells connected in series) drained below the voltage threshold the charging circuit needs to detect in order to initiate charging process when connected to wall charger. What to do: 1) You will need a 12VDC power source like a car battery, battery charger or probable even a 9V radio battery. The idea is to connect this power source directly to the unit’s jump start output connector (observing correct polarity - very important! You can verify polarity by holding jumper cable that plugs into unit in correct orientation and verifying the red cable is positive terminal) 2) get 2 insulated wires at least 10” long. The idea is to connect your ~12V power source in parallel to the jump start output terminals of the jump starter unit. If you’re using a household 9V square battery, I recommend you leave it connected for say 20 minutes, the other 2 example sources probably only need to be connected 1 minute. After this disconnect the wires. 3) With the SL65 switch set to “on” press the power test button next to the display - is it shows 1% with the “1” flashing you have succeeded, if not return to step 2 4) Connect the SL65 to the wall charger and allow unit to fully charge. This will take 4-8 hours depending on the device you have Because of the design of the internal charging circuit of these units, if the internal batteries are allowed to fully discharge, if the charging circuit sees < 1Volt, it assumes the battery is bad and will not commence charging process. How many of these amazing electronic jump starters are ending in land fills because of this simple mistake or neglect on the part of consumers. The manufacturer also bears some responsibility - a very simple design modification in the microprocessor would correct this vulnerability but then they wouldn’t sell as much product.
@@K92834 I think what is being explained here is a work around for reviving a miss-used lithium jump pack. Due to the design and safeties built in to the unit the normal method of charging will not work if the unit is discharged below a set voltage per cell. Normal lithium cells max voltage is around 4.2volts per cell and lowest voltage the circuitry is designed to start charging is lets say 2.7volts (O% state of charge for lithium). So the control board will not start a charge cycle if the battery is reading lower than 2.7volts per cell. The work around explained appears to be back feeding the unit through the jumper clamps to bring the cell voltage to a point where normal charging can commence or it fools the control circuit to thing it is inside that 2.7-4.2 volt per cell window. thus giving opportunity to revive the unit. This is a common problem with circuit control lithium chargers and as the OP stated could be fixed with a better control circuit setup. Although degradation occurs and possible unwanted outcomes from mistreating certain lithium chemistries many people have found such work arounds to revive lithium batteries that are depleted to this point and still getting useful life from them after the fact such as is with those recycling cells from bad battery packs and using bursts of voltage to revive cells depleted below 2.7volt that would not charge in normal charge stations. Again some risk is involved but good results are always better than the common action of disposing of and replacing such units/packs/cells. The OP was correct manufacturers need to fix the standardized circuit controls to keep these batteries out of the land fill and more appropriate ways of disposal need to be found preferably recycling them properly. As for his instructions they seem clear cut enough. Insulated wire would refer to something like a cheap extension cord with the ends cut off or some speaker wire or something like that 12-16AWG size not a small wire like a cellphone charger would have. Hope that helps although likely a little late but that is how it goes with YT comment section lol ... Good luck.
My Tacklife starts my motorcycle just fine; it basically has a riding lawnmower battery. It won’t start the 6.0L V8 in my work van that it claims it does. Not even close!
I bought the Hulkman jumper and it failed to start car...even in GOD mode...nothing. Had a friend call AAA and they used a big hand held blue jumper and my car started right up. Why don't those little lithium battery packs work?
I have a portable power diehard 1150,I replaced the battery and I have problems with jumper cables they're not getting any power,battery is good. They have a fuse .?
Hi - Thanks for watching! Well, if the battery is good and there is nothing at the cable ends there may well be a fuse or circuit breaker. What does the owner manual say?
On cars where that battery isn't accessible & there is a nut with red wire in the engine bay & another nut for ground, I'm finding my jump pack won't start these types of cars but does jump cars when you can hook it up direct to the car battery terminals, anyone else having this problem???
Hi - Thanks for watching! This is a common problem with some vehicles and some jump packs. In these cases, the jump pack, connected to the "jump posts" under the hood, could be used to access the battery (open the trunk, move seats, etc.) then be connected directly to the battery. Not the best situation but sometimes the only solution.
I have one of these jump starters it'll start your car in the cold weather but then your car shuts off cuz the battery is extremely drained so it's not that good
I have one of these except to die hard but it's much like the bigger one and I have a car that I store it in that's it a neighbor's house cuz I don't have enough room to park that car and instead of having to go grab it out of the car once a month I have a little 1.5 watt 12 volt solar panel that has a built-in charge controller I just plugged that solar panel into each or volt socket that connects directly to the battery in the jumper box and it keeps the battery topped off it tops it off on a pretty much daily basis especially if we have some light so those bigger ones that have the 12-volt sockets in them that smaller one you can actually use the 1.5 watt Thunderbolt solar panel as a maintainer and if you have it in a car that you're using for storage that you hardly ever drive just run the solar panel from someplace where it gets sunlight everyday and plug it into the 12-volt socket on the jumper box and it's pretty much just one of those things where you don't have to worry about it too much.
Hi - Thanks for watching! Whatever the manual that comes with it says. For example, the one that I have has a red and green led and I have to charge it until the green let lights up. My Li-Ion Pack has a display that tells me when it is at 100%.
I have the smallest...there's no power on switch....it did not work...how do you power on if there's no power on switch...just a light switch is all I seen
Hi - Thanks for watching! I'm not familiar with all of the models, so I can only recommend that you check the manual or instruction sheet that came with the unit.
Too bad those small Lithium jump packs dont work then they are ice cold. I have tired several brands...all fail to work, when a 4 yr old traditional bulky lead acid jumper works every time.
when I jump start my battery with another car after having left the lights on too long, i must wait several minutes after connecting the two batteries until my car will crank the engine. the head lights in my car will shine immediately, the alarm sounds, the dask board lights up. I assume by battery is absorbing volts during the several minute wait. does a portable jump starter also deliver volts to the not start battery if connected for several minutes before attempting to crank the engine? does the jump starter provide more amps to the cranking engine than another car with engine running?
Hi Jay - I think the portable jump starter will deliver current to the "dead" battery like any other battery would but probably will not deliver more current than another car with the engine running. That said, be sure to check with Schumacher to be sure. Their contact information is in the video description. Thanks for watching!
Silent Majority: if the unit is cold as in stored in the vehicles trunk, it most likely will not work. If it is stored in a warm environment, it may start the vehicle assuming it has been charged within the last 30 days.
My Chrysler has been going thru battery drain issues. I grabbed a float charger from harbor freight and one of these jump packs. Hopefully I don't get stranded.
Why have a battery with cables coming off it(jump starter) which you know will go flat with time alone, only to find you have no real way of evaluating it's usefulness apart from using it - which may not work. So then you have two dud batteries and a car which won't start. Surely one dud battery and a car which won't start is more than enough misery?
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion! The owner's manual that came with mine says to periodically plug it in to maintain a charge. The LEDs (Green and RED) on the panel tell me when the pack will work and when it won't, so I would recommend a Jump Pack with those features.
Larger (+60Ah) batteries wont charge up with these tiny joke boosters that supply a very small current. The only way to get a car like that running, especially in cold weather, is using jump start cables with another car.
@@WrenchinUpwithJimBates Absolutely, Jim. I was called upon dozens and dozens of times to boost 60-90Ah batteries during the winter. The 60's might be barely 'resurrectable' with a very powerful jump pack like a 800A Telwin. The ones above that will not rise back from the dead without cables using another healthy car, no matter what. That is if the battery is completely drained, of course.
Had many over the decades. They work 1 out of 20 times. Batteries always dead or too low. Jumper cables or call a tow company. Waste of money, time, maintenance requirements, etc.etc. Hard no.
Yes I got a motor master eliminator 600watt powerbox. Totally useless! It's better for camping. Don't rely on it to boost your vehicle, they can't hold a charge now then a week or 2.... basically useless for what is designed for
It’s time to take this obsolete video down. Portable jump starters today are much, much smaller than these lead acid antiques and are now powered by lithium ion storage batteries. Yes, there are still some larger units out there, but they tend to gave several functions like a build in air compressor and the like.
Hi Ron - Thanks for watching and for your comment. Nope, I'll be leaving it up since all of the portable jump starter types you mentioned in your comment are covered in the video. Besides, all of us who live in the upper Midwest know that those little lithium Ion devices WILL NOT jump start a mostly discharged 12 volt battery in our mighty cold winters. And yes, even the smaller inexpensive lead-acid ones won't either!
Those small lithium ion packs you can put in your pocket wont start your car in the middle of freezing winter no matter how many cold crank amps the device "promises". I would not say they are a scam, but they are useless in northern climates. Find out the hard way by experience.
Hi Chris - Interesting comment. I did get the Schumacher Red Fuel Lithium pack. It barely works in our Wisconsin winters so I doubt the little one that fits in your pocket would do much better. Well, you know the old saying - "with age comes wisdom". By the way I looked at your channel. What part of the country do you live in where your little one seems to work?
Jim Bates With age comes wisdom, yes - but the younger ones are more knowledgeable about new technology.. Go on Amazon.com where you will find the best compact jump starters, no need to carry one the size of a suitcase with you. look up NOCO Genius Boost Plus GB40 for example.. One of the best ones out there. $100
This unit can actually charge from a usb phone charger in the car , I love that feature. The small ones claims it can start an 8.0 diesel engine
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I can understand the pack not working after a couple months of not being charged. What about the ones you buy right off the box that doesn't work it's what I was looking for
Hi - Thanks for watching! My personal opinion is that the pack would be defective and should be returned.
Schumacher battery charger built 4 power 600 not charging . Purchase last April from advanced auto is there a reset in side
Hi - Thanks for watching! Not that I know of. Maybe it's defective and you can return it.
No , it’s garbage I’ve had 3 all trash
Over heated in the trunk? I can’t store my O’Reilly’s Super Start in the trunk of my Miata b/c if my battery is dead, the key fob will not open the trunk! Any solutions? Thanks!
Hi - Thanks for watching! Does the owner’s manual have a solution to this problem?
Wonderful video thanks
Hi - You're welcome and thanks for watching!
So, let met get this straight, I purchased the 2260 model and used it 3 times, now I can't recharge the unit and I need to replace the battery pack? Seems a lot of upkeep for a 129$ unit.....
Hi - Thanks for your comment. Be sure to direct your experience and questions to the manufacturer. Their contact info is in the metadata below the video. Thanks for watching!
How to revive a dead Schumacher Redfuel SL65 Jump Starter or other similar devices
Symptoms: my friend’s unit would show 100% charge when connected to wall charger. When disconnected from wall charger, sliding power switch on and pressing power button next to display - nothing happens.
This is what I recommend and why:
I checked the voltage at the output terminals using a digital volt meter (where you connect the jumper cable attachment) and got a reading of 0.7V.
What happened is my friend Roger probably drained the unit below the 40% charge level or didn’t charge it for an extended period of time and the internal lithium battery (3 cells connected in series) drained below the voltage threshold the charging circuit needs to detect in order to initiate charging process when connected to wall charger.
What to do:
1) You will need a 12VDC power source like a car battery, battery charger or probable even a 9V radio battery. The idea is to connect this power source directly to the unit’s jump start output connector (observing correct polarity - very important! You can verify polarity by holding jumper cable that plugs into unit in correct orientation and verifying the red cable is positive terminal)
2) get 2 insulated wires at least 10” long. The idea is to connect your ~12V power source in parallel to the jump start output terminals of the jump starter unit. If you’re using a household 9V square battery, I recommend you leave it connected for say 20 minutes, the other 2 example sources probably only need to be connected 1 minute. After this disconnect the wires.
3) With the SL65 switch set to “on” press the power test button next to the display - is it shows 1% with the “1” flashing you have succeeded, if not return to step 2
4) Connect the SL65 to the wall charger and allow unit to fully charge. This will take 4-8 hours depending on the device you have
Because of the design of the internal charging circuit of these units, if the internal batteries are allowed to fully discharge, if the charging circuit sees < 1Volt, it assumes the battery is bad and will not commence charging process.
How many of these amazing electronic jump starters are ending in land fills because of this simple mistake or neglect on the part of consumers. The manufacturer also bears some responsibility - a very simple design modification in the microprocessor would correct this vulnerability but then they wouldn’t sell as much product.
@@K92834 I think what is being explained here is a work around for reviving a miss-used lithium jump pack. Due to the design and safeties built in to the unit the normal method of charging will not work if the unit is discharged below a set voltage per cell. Normal lithium cells max voltage is around 4.2volts per cell and lowest voltage the circuitry is designed to start charging is lets say 2.7volts (O% state of charge for lithium). So the control board will not start a charge cycle if the battery is reading lower than 2.7volts per cell. The work around explained appears to be back feeding the unit through the jumper clamps to bring the cell voltage to a point where normal charging can commence or it fools the control circuit to thing it is inside that 2.7-4.2 volt per cell window. thus giving opportunity to revive the unit. This is a common problem with circuit control lithium chargers and as the OP stated could be fixed with a better control circuit setup. Although degradation occurs and possible unwanted outcomes from mistreating certain lithium chemistries many people have found such work arounds to revive lithium batteries that are depleted to this point and still getting useful life from them after the fact such as is with those recycling cells from bad battery packs and using bursts of voltage to revive cells depleted below 2.7volt that would not charge in normal charge stations. Again some risk is involved but good results are always better than the common action of disposing of and replacing such units/packs/cells. The OP was correct manufacturers need to fix the standardized circuit controls to keep these batteries out of the land fill and more appropriate ways of disposal need to be found preferably recycling them properly. As for his instructions they seem clear cut enough. Insulated wire would refer to something like a cheap extension cord with the ends cut off or some speaker wire or something like that 12-16AWG size not a small wire like a cellphone charger would have. Hope that helps although likely a little late but that is how it goes with YT comment section lol ... Good luck.
My Tacklife starts my motorcycle just fine; it basically has a riding lawnmower battery. It won’t start the 6.0L V8 in my work van that it claims it does. Not even close!
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your experience!
I left mine plugged in and still didn’t work. I may as well try to jump start off a couple double a batteries. 😒
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For how long do you have to charge it ?
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I bought the Hulkman jumper and it failed to start car...even in GOD mode...nothing. Had a friend call AAA and they used a big hand held blue jumper and my car started right up. Why don't those little lithium battery packs work?
Hi Thanks for watching! I live in the north woods. My experience is that they never work here in the winter. Just not the right tool.
I have a portable power diehard 1150,I replaced the battery and I have problems with jumper cables they're not getting any power,battery is good. They have a fuse .?
Hi - Thanks for watching! Well, if the battery is good and there is nothing at the cable ends there may well be a fuse or circuit breaker. What does the owner manual say?
Mine set for 6-7 months now it won't charge. Any ideas?
Hi - Thanks for watching! The internal battery may be sulfated if it just sat that long without being charged monthly and may have to be replaced.
On cars where that battery isn't accessible & there is a nut with red wire in the engine bay & another nut for ground, I'm finding my jump pack won't start these types of cars but does jump cars when you can hook it up direct to the car battery terminals, anyone else having this problem???
Hi - Thanks for watching! This is a common problem with some vehicles and some jump packs. In these cases, the jump pack, connected to the "jump posts" under the hood, could be used to access the battery (open the trunk, move seats, etc.) then be connected directly to the battery. Not the best situation but sometimes the only solution.
I have one of these jump starters it'll start your car in the cold weather but then your car shuts off cuz the battery is extremely drained so it's not that good
Hi - Thanks for your interesting comment and Thanks for watching!
I have one of these except to die hard but it's much like the bigger one and I have a car that I store it in that's it a neighbor's house cuz I don't have enough room to park that car and instead of having to go grab it out of the car once a month I have a little 1.5 watt 12 volt solar panel that has a built-in charge controller I just plugged that solar panel into each or volt socket that connects directly to the battery in the jumper box and it keeps the battery topped off it tops it off on a pretty much daily basis especially if we have some light so those bigger ones that have the 12-volt sockets in them that smaller one you can actually use the 1.5 watt Thunderbolt solar panel as a maintainer and if you have it in a car that you're using for storage that you hardly ever drive just run the solar panel from someplace where it gets sunlight everyday and plug it into the 12-volt socket on the jumper box and it's pretty much just one of those things where you don't have to worry about it too much.
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How long must I charge my jump pack 4?
Hi - Thanks for watching! Whatever the manual that comes with it says. For example, the one that I have has a red and green led and I have to charge it until the green let lights up. My Li-Ion Pack has a display that tells me when it is at 100%.
Ya mine was given to me by mom but I think it's bitten the dust it's not holding any charge now that's why I was asking mom never gave me manual .
Try a super capacitor jump starter and you will be impressed. No internal batteries to go flat.
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What happens when hooked up backeards
Hi - Thanks for watching! Usually the smoke gets let out of electrical components and expensive stuff.
I have the smallest...there's no power on switch....it did not work...how do you power on if there's no power on switch...just a light switch is all I seen
Hi - Thanks for watching! I'm not familiar with all of the models, so I can only recommend that you check the manual or instruction sheet that came with the unit.
i have a brand new Shumacher jump starter power station all in one and it will not take a charge.Says 100% with a dead battery
Hi - Thanks for watching! Looks like you need to return it as defective.
I just got a Schumacher jump starter it has worked for two weeks but now it's dead... Low quality product
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your experience and opinion! Looks like you have a defective product and it should be returned.
Marco Barahona me too
Garbage. We have it and charve works . but cant boost car and when u do it goes to red. Useless junk
Great video!
Btw, that guy behind you must be really thirsty!!😅
Hi - Thanks for watching! I couldn't believe they wanted me to film in front of that backdrop!
Too bad those small Lithium jump packs dont work then they are ice cold. I have tired several brands...all fail to work, when a 4 yr old traditional bulky lead acid jumper works every time.
Hi - Thanks for your comment. Yes, those types of batteries sure do not like the cold and seem to loose power fast. Thanks for watching!
when I jump start my battery with another car after having left the lights on too long, i must wait several minutes after connecting the two batteries until my car will crank the engine. the head lights in my car will shine immediately, the alarm sounds, the dask board lights up. I assume by battery is absorbing volts during the several minute wait. does a portable jump starter also deliver volts to the not start battery if connected for several minutes before attempting to crank the engine? does the jump starter provide more amps to the cranking engine than another car with engine running?
Hi Jay - I think the portable jump starter will deliver current to the "dead" battery like any other battery would but probably will not deliver more current than another car with the engine running. That said, be sure to check with Schumacher to be sure. Their contact information is in the video description. Thanks for watching!
let's see this jump starter start a dead battery in the cold.
Hi John - Good challenge. Let's see if Schumacher comes up with a video that addresses that. Thanks for watching!
John: On a very cold day with a mostly drained batt, these types of chargers wont work.
Silent Majority: if the unit is cold as in stored in the vehicles trunk, it most likely will not work. If it is stored in a warm environment, it may start the vehicle assuming it has been charged within the last 30 days.
My Chrysler has been going thru battery drain issues. I grabbed a float charger from harbor freight and one of these jump packs. Hopefully I don't get stranded.
I jumped a dead battery one with yesterday in northern mn where the temp was -18 F
Why have a battery with cables coming off it(jump starter) which you know will go flat with time alone, only to find you have no real way of evaluating it's usefulness apart from using it - which may not work. So then you have two dud batteries and a car which won't start. Surely one dud battery and a car which won't start is more than enough misery?
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion! The owner's manual that came with mine says to periodically plug it in to maintain a charge. The LEDs (Green and RED) on the panel tell me when the pack will work and when it won't, so I would recommend a Jump Pack with those features.
We are 75 years old
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Larger (+60Ah) batteries wont charge up with these tiny joke boosters that supply a very small current. The only way to get a car like that running, especially in cold weather, is using jump start cables with another car.
Hi - Thanks for watching and for your comment. I suppose it comes from personal experience with these things?
@@WrenchinUpwithJimBates Absolutely, Jim. I was called upon dozens and dozens of times to boost 60-90Ah batteries during the winter. The 60's might be barely 'resurrectable' with a very powerful jump pack like a 800A Telwin. The ones above that will not rise back from the dead without cables using another healthy car, no matter what. That is if the battery is completely drained, of course.
Hi - Thanks again for sharing! My experience has been similar in the cold Wisconsin winters.
@@darkzerk7 the largest was 1200 amp. I’ve started John Deere tractors with them many times.
Had many over the decades. They work 1 out of 20 times. Batteries always dead or too low. Jumper cables or call a tow company. Waste of money, time, maintenance requirements, etc.etc. Hard no.
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Yes I got a motor master eliminator 600watt powerbox. Totally useless! It's better for camping. Don't rely on it to boost your vehicle, they can't hold a charge now then a week or 2.... basically useless for what is designed for
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These things are junk. Reason? Designed to end up in landfills. Mine is not taking a charge, hence why i am watching these videos. Absolute garbage
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Why did you film in front of a garage backdrop? On the left hand side of the backdrop there is a mechanic working on a tire 🤣😂🤣😂😁
Hi - Thanks for watching! Because, believe it or not, that's what the client wanted.
@@WrenchinUpwithJimBates well regardless it was still an informative video, thanks!
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Iron out your green screen
Hi - It was actually some kind of covering they had on their wall. Ugg. Thanks for noticing though! ;-)
best cells for cold weather use said to be lithium titanate cells and upto 20,000 cycles life
Hi Mike - Thanks for the tip and Thanks for watching!
I'll tell you exactly what to do with a schumacher. Throw it in the garbage. Better yet, don't buy one.
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It’s time to take this obsolete video down. Portable jump starters today are much, much smaller than these lead acid antiques and are now powered by lithium ion storage batteries. Yes, there are still some larger units out there, but they tend to gave several functions like a build in air compressor and the like.
Hi Ron - Thanks for watching and for your comment. Nope, I'll be leaving it up since all of the portable jump starter types you mentioned in your comment are covered in the video. Besides, all of us who live in the upper Midwest know that those little lithium Ion devices WILL NOT jump start a mostly discharged 12 volt battery in our mighty cold winters. And yes, even the smaller inexpensive lead-acid ones won't either!
Those small lithium ion packs you can put in your pocket wont start your car in the middle of freezing winter no matter how many cold crank amps the device "promises". I would not say they are a scam, but they are useless in northern climates. Find out the hard way by experience.
Link to your Lithium pack with a 120psi compressor?
Old man, you're using oudated junk from the cold war.. Get a good lithium ion modern jump starter that can fit in your pocket. 12000mah minimum..
Hi Chris - Interesting comment. I did get the Schumacher Red Fuel Lithium pack. It barely works in our Wisconsin winters so I doubt the little one that fits in your pocket would do much better. Well, you know the old saying - "with age comes wisdom". By the way I looked at your channel. What part of the country do you live in where your little one seems to work?
Jim Bates With age comes wisdom, yes - but the younger ones are more knowledgeable about new technology..
Go on Amazon.com where you will find the best compact jump starters, no need to carry one the size of a suitcase with you.
look up NOCO Genius Boost Plus GB40 for example..
One of the best ones out there. $100
Hi Chris - Yes, they certainly seem to be much of the time. Thanks for the tip! Hopefully some one will test one at -20F and give us a report.
Chris Cristian you’ve got two shitty first names man
@@0oeoeeo HA! Like OCCIO is better? PLLLEEEZE
Lame!
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