The fact that humans and orcs can interbreed makes sense since men and elves can interbreed as well. This is ofc considering that Orcs are corrupted elves as Melkor cannot create life and can only corrupt existing ones therefore Melkor corrupting some of the elves that remained on Middle Earth when most of them were taken to Valinor.
If I remember correctly, it was implied that a few elves were taken before the Valar found them, which were then corrupted into orcs. Also some of them ran off when the Valar did find them because of this and were also lost. It wasn't the ones who remained after the Valar made their offer to journey into the west.
After the army of Nargothrond went out to meet Morgoth's army led by Glaurung on the field of Tumhalad, some miles north of the citadel, they were defeated and routed. The Elves left in the city awaiting their return instead found the dragon and his Orcs crossing their bridge and entering the city, meeting little to no resistance. These people, including Orodreth's daughter Finduilas, were either captured and taken to Angband to be slaves or killed.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the ORC/ORK from other movies, games, and such. For example, what an Orc/k in D&D is like, what an Orc/k in World of Warcraft is like, what an Orc/k in Tolken is like, what an Orc/k is like Warhammer Fantasy, and what an Orc/k is like in Warhammer 40K. Comparing them and perhaps do additional video's about each of them too.
Now I haven't watched the movies in some years and don't know a whole lot about the lore, but I thought there was a scene in one movie where an orc kinda like spawned from a mud pit or something
I think goblins are bigger then orcs at least in the books, in the hobbit the dwarves seem to fear goblins more then orcs and goblins seem to rule by who is the biggest and strongest while orcs have more of ranked command structure.
The origin of orcs is pretty evident. There's a feature they all have. Tolkein's orcs, Warhammer orcs, Warcraft orcs, D&D orcs, all of them. It's the feature left kind of intact to torture them with the knowledge of what they could have been and to torture those they came from with the knowledge that they were not immune to corruption. They all still have their pointed ears.
Honestly nature/god should have made more hominids other than humans. World would be so fascinating with creatures that look like us but are also completelly different
that's honestly what the world used to look like, homo sapiens, denisovans, Neanderthalensis, floresiensis (my favourite look up flores man they were essentially hobbits) were all alive at the same time, and judging by the amount of their DNA found in modern humans likely just reabsorbed their population into ours several tens of thousands of years ago.
Dude, read the freaking silmarillon. Orcs were elves! If you want to make lore videos, get the lore right... Are you just going of the movies? Even then you are getting shit wrong...
I personally think the size of Orcs and Goblins is determined by diet just like with humans, the smaller Orcs and Goblins typically live in caves or mountains where food would be scarce, they're not opposed to cannibalism but don't typically eat their own "gangs".
@@Dovah_Slayer I use the term tribe here as an example of different groups, there does seem to be inner rivalries with Orcs and Goblins in lord of the rings, but it's unclear if this is due to gang/tribe affiliation or just their violent nature
Even if orcs can live hundreds of years I think it's more likely that most of them don't live past 30 because of all the fighting and infighting orcs do and that constantly breeding kept their populations up.
theres also probably important orcs killing off any young upstarts that start to accrue a lot of personal or political power. like nancy pelosi but 6'5"
My theory as to why Azog is so large is because we only really know him from Bilbos story, who was running from the orc the whole time, probably looked huge to a little hobbit fresh out of the shire and, most likely, Bilbo embellished the size of his foes while telling his tale.
No way. Bilbo mesured him with some Tailoring Tape while Azog was sleeping to make certain that his tales were accurate. AND that measurement matched the same ones taken by the Dwarves years earlier in height... but AZOG had added an inch in his biceps due to kicking so much butt in 100 years before Bilbo measured him. LOL jk goo point
I got the impression that the orcs had a Spartan type society, with males being exclusively trained for battle and related activities and females doing most everything else, with dominant males getting their pick of females as mates. The appearance of orcs was based on descriptions of Mongol warriors which got to western Europe during their invasions.
Professor Tolkien addresses this in Letter 153 to Peter Hastings. I suppose the chief difficulties I have involved myself in are scientific and biological - which worry me just as much as the theological and metaphysical (though you do not seem to mind them so much). Elves and Men are evidently in biological terms one race, or they could not breed and produce fertile offspring - there are two cases only in my legends of such unions, and they are merged in the descendants of Earendil
One thing that as far as I know Tolkien never addressed was what happed to orcs in the afterlife. He did not believe that orcs were irredeemable, being no worse than evil men. Supposedly if they were in fact corrupted elves they would go to the Halls of Mandos.
In the Silmarillion it does specifically states that the orcs were once a species of elves, and that Melkor / Morgoth could not create life, only corrupt. The films contradict themselves a bit, as it shows the Uruk Hai coming out of vats fully grown (which is how they're described in the Shadow of Mordor / War games, which I know are not canon), yet Gandalf tells Elrond that Saruman was breeding orcs and goblin-men.
@@legionarybooks13 it does very heavy handedly imply that Melkor steals some elves from Cuivienen and tortures them into Orcs. Imo that’s confirmation enough
Cant really rely on the movies. The movies include the High Fells - where the 9 are buried - but that burial could only have occurred long after the nazgguls come into being - which makes no sense because how could you bury a nazggul?
I read somewhere that in addition to ordinary orcs, there were also powerful orcs. The Maiar, loyal to Morgoth, were embodied in their bodies. Sorry for bad English.
Men and Orcs can breed. I'd say male Orcs would 'assault" women to have babies. I can't imagine a male human/Elf/Dwarf saying "oooh that's a beautiful Orc woman, I think I'll have a go on that" Although I've seen that sort of thing in the real world when I've worked on Pub Doors. I blame Beer Goggles
Stopped the video less than a minute in. Saying goblins are a type of orc rather than just another word for them shows the lack of knowledge and great amount of " winging it" done here. This is NOT how Tolkien explained it. Full stop.
Alright , the orcs bred between themselves or other humans and created other species but how the frick did trolls come along ? Like I can't even imagine them bredding unless they are immortals or maybe very long living .
The most common theory is that Trolls were made in mockery of Ents, just as Orcs were made in mockery of Elves. This would also serve to explain the whole Trolls turning into stone, as a perversion of Ents going treeish and turning into trees
How would the interbreeding work for the uruks? Say saruman forced woman to be raped by orks how does that connect to the scene where the uruks are in sacks on the mud ? I don't get it
Being the GOBLIN KING does not make one A GOBLIN I'm not saying he is/was NOT a goblin... but he looked more like a different species in the Movies. The King of England is not always English... sme goes for the King of Spain, or any region. Just because you are the KING of a group of people/beings does not mean you are one of those people/beings. Conquerors exist in history and fiction.
No. In the books the Uruk-Hai are the largest kind of orc, and they are distinctly black-skinned in contrast to the sallow goblinfolk of the Misty Mountains. The albino goliaths in Jackson's films are an absurd artistic liscense. As for Boldogs-Maiar in orc-shape-it is posible Tolkien abandoned the idea entirely considering its absence in later writings, though it is certainly intruging.
@@jackodonail1980 i think it's absent due to the mere fact that there are less maiar/magic beings in the 3rd age of Arda. There may have been Maiar orc lords in the first age, under the rule of Melkor, but they may have died during the countless battles that have taken place since then, and if any survived they would not have bowed down to another Maiar, aka Sauron.
In the middle earth story nobody not even melkor or vallar can't create life only ulivatar so melkor had to corrupt the elves and humans to make the orcs.(butchering the names lol the main god and the gods after him)
Imagine being an anthropologist in this world. You'd have to travel out from the Minas Tirith college and try to make contact with an orc tribe so you could ask them questions about their culture and history so you could get a sense of how their society is structured. It'd be pretty dangerous because there's a 'kill on sight' policy between the orcs and nearly everyone else. How would you go about it?
Tolkien was not sure about the orcs either, first they were tortured and twisted elves by Melkor, then later on interbreeding with Men and Beasts were also mentioned by him. Apart from the Exception Like Bolg and Azog might have been, and of course the lesser evil maiars (being immortal souls and even their bodies like Gandalf's could be destroyed)) who took on the form of orcs they were rather short lived. "They could be slain, and they were subject to disease; but apart from these ills they died and were not immortal, even according to the manner of the Quendi; indeed they appear to have been by nature short-lived compared with the span of Men of higher race, such as the Edain." ~Morgoth's Ring "Myths Transformed
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD. (Psalms 14:1-4)
I mean I’m sorry dude but the ‘nameless things’ are clearly tax collecting Jews 😂 (I shouldn’t have to say this but it’s clearly a joke guess you can’t be safe though this days lol 😂)
Ooh plot twist. Iluvatar did say "And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined." If everything Morgoth did was part of Iluvatar's plan, maybe Iluvatar was to blame for the creation of the orcs
@@NabeelKhan-lx2ly Yes, but Tolkien himself is know to have change the lore about this topic more than one time, and some specialistis debate the reasons why until this day....Tolkien's (and his son's) cristian view of the world would prevail in the final versions of LOTR and Silmarillion, but he speculated about the possibility that darkness could create life in his early scripts, it was actualy a pretty comom speculation of writers in the late XIX and early XX, in the mist of cientific inovations and the storys like New Prometheus and Island of Dr Moreau, but at the end Tolkien writed an critics of industrial and imperialist modernity, and he used the orcs as an alegory of evil, so yes you are right
Orcs are much more than meets the eye and you can't find enough information about them in the movies, which is a shame. Thanks for making this great video, and bringing in light on what orcs are/how they live their lives in the middle earth, this helped me understanding them a lot.
Informative video, but please don’t give any attention to t he woke Amazon crap. It’s insulting to Tolkien’s work and all of us who have been inspired by them.
true to that, but as said multiple times, orcs are at least capable warriors, and slightly value there own lifes which you cannot said about bolshevik piggies, which are basically just unique npcs with easy difficulty setting set to spam artillery.
My personal theory upon Azog and Bolg: The witch King brought with him everything, he needed to create new orks. He also brought black numenoreans. He might have crossbred those with the orcs of the north.
Female orcs are in the Peter Jackson movies. The catapult commander in Return of the King even wears a ..."dress" which looks filthy, and skulls in her blonde grey hair. There's also several in the horde outside the castle in RotK. Some are dressed just like the males but carry bows. They're there. A good number of them.
Also since you mentioned the "catapult commander" I assume you either mean Guritz or his subordinate , neither of whom are females and are quite explicitly males. And I have no idea about what dress you are talking about , that's just leather beneath a mail/scale skirt , men have been wearing similar garments beneath armor since antiquity.
Just imagine being captured by Sauron's crew. A tall, strong, good looking guy like me would be kept as a breeder for sure! A sex slave for impregnating female orcs!
he devised multiple languages, scripts, and the history to explain them. Orcs, as the bogymen of the story, really didn't need further fleshing out. although the fact that they and the trolls all speak with East End accents volumes for Tolkien's society
Well orcs are almost devil like in the books. They are also described as not having any soul so perhaps they were corrupted and replicated through dark magic rather than reproduction like our own.
anything in the books that is a bit unclear it's because in tolkien's style everything is written like a myth. some informations are lost or vague in the lore and in the actual books because there are no records anymore, the knowledge is lost. even gandalf spent a lot of time away, researching to find out more about the ring and sauron, for example. a bit of mystery is ok, it makes a story, especially a legend like this, more interesting. nowadays we want all the data, all the details, all the information, if we don't have it, we just invent. geez. i don't see archeologists going to utumno and find out the origins of orcs, do you? lol
I have to admit (2 things I didn't like) I never liked that Tolkien made goblins & orcs the same creature (I actually found D&D first & Tolkien 2nd, so they started out two seperate beings) & even bigger problem is orcs from corrupted elves (w/ all the depth of the books all the names alone I mean my lord) I thought it was lame, because corrupted or not they'd have the same basic DNA & therefore ; for whatever reason, I mean like orcs can basically breed w/ just about anything but not elves & corrupted elves, some how that just doesn't sit right w/ me... so uruks or uruk-kai one is simply orcs & men this is a half-orc... idk call me a blasphemer, I think I made uruks= orcs + goblins, uruk-hai= orcs + orges, & goblins have to be there own seperate creature
Don’t show this to the people bitching about rings of power. They seem to think Peter Jackson created this entire world with his Lord of the rings movies
May be quite obvious at this point. But, what if no one created/twisted the Orcish Race. In other words, what if it was Eru Illuvutar himself who created them? Obviously, they were probably not like this in the beginning. I heard that the bringing of Orcs by Melkor was the most vile action taken by Melkor. This would seem to describe him twisting, and ruining an entire race of being. The Orcs.
J.R.R. Tolkien Did not get along with the Jocks at Oxford University, the best Jocks were on the "Oxford Rowing Crew" On the back of there jackets were three letters. O.R.C. Learn something new every day.
4:29 I dont understand why you are applying modern science knowledge which was not the domain of Tolkien. For most fantasy and sci-fi fiction, humans can breed with every creature regardless of the closeness to the species creating half version variants. What kind of mental gymnastics would be needed for using science of DNA to explain how Dragons could breed with humans creating Dragonborn races or explain the case of Spock from Star Trek who was a half human? Aliens movie can melt several layers or mm of metal of a Spaceship with few mL of their blood which is not even believable yet people enjoy it due to suspension of disbelief. You can just use Glass and ceramic armor to fight against Aliens and their acid blood would be rendered useless.
Warhammer stated they are highly evolved forms of fungus but tokliens orcs, what if they are freshly DEAD casualties if war warped with necromancy????? Gave it life and they took it to thier advantage then started breeding???
Except The Difference Between These Creatures in Mythologies Also The Orcs From the movie of Warcraft 2016 is far more Different For Respectful With The ones from The Universe Of Tolkien and Funny There is no Orcs in The Chronicles Of Narnia There is no questions about it.
Your illustrations do not fully match up with your descriptions. Why not show a picture of the Orcs from the Peter Jackson Hobbit movie to clearly convey what you are describing.
Yeah but the Lords of power is worse than Vikings Valhalla that actually has a black woman replacing a male Viking king which is just ridiculous they cannot justify that and just like they cannot justify making the elves anything but slender white blonde headed people the elves have always been have blonde hair and they're always very light skinned it's always been like that but there is no black else or no Hispanic elves
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The fact that humans and orcs can interbreed makes sense since men and elves can interbreed as well. This is ofc considering that Orcs are corrupted elves as Melkor cannot create life and can only corrupt existing ones therefore Melkor corrupting some of the elves that remained on Middle Earth when most of them were taken to Valinor.
Dwarves and men to
The question now becomes whether you should just because you could... Human-orc relationships in Warcraft, tolerable; in Middle-Earth, a nightmare lol
If I remember correctly, it was implied that a few elves were taken before the Valar found them, which were then corrupted into orcs. Also some of them ran off when the Valar did find them because of this and were also lost. It wasn't the ones who remained after the Valar made their offer to journey into the west.
I wonder if orcs go to the Hall of Mandos when they die.
@@RexVenge95 orcs in Tolkien's works are evil I guess
After the army of Nargothrond went out to meet Morgoth's army led by Glaurung on the field of Tumhalad, some miles north of the citadel, they were defeated and routed. The Elves left in the city awaiting their return instead found the dragon and his Orcs crossing their bridge and entering the city, meeting little to no resistance. These people, including Orodreth's daughter Finduilas, were either captured and taken to Angband to be slaves or killed.
Used as breeders.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the ORC/ORK from other movies, games, and such.
For example, what an Orc/k in D&D is like, what an Orc/k in World of Warcraft is like, what an Orc/k in Tolken is like, what an Orc/k is like Warhammer Fantasy, and what an Orc/k is like in Warhammer 40K. Comparing them and perhaps do additional video's about each of them too.
Get out of here with this GW ork corporate nonsense of a trademark.
Orcs in DnD could be good, which was a little hilarious
Warhammer40k Orks are probably the meanest and baddest out of all of them
@@paimonisfood4986but just big mushrooms💀
40k: Orks are sentient fungi, operate stuff via simply believing it works, and they smash stuff
Lmao few people will appreciate this but thank you. I was looking for half nerds to harass for being wrong but you are a real lore master dude
@@nicholasmeador2874 i eat through Warhammer lore Like Piranhas do with a cow carcass xD
I don't consider myself to be really proficient tho
“Just like rats, they can also interbreed with humans”
What? Lol
I noticed that line too lol 😂
These are 2 different sentences. --> "...just like rats. (point) They can also interbread with humans...." You're welcome ;)
@@timling706 we got it without your assistance, thank you
Always loved bugbears played them in dnd so much
Now I haven't watched the movies in some years and don't know a whole lot about the lore, but I thought there was a scene in one movie where an orc kinda like spawned from a mud pit or something
Uruk Hai. Basically a GMO. Genetically Modified Orc
Everyone knows orcs hatch from eggs like frogs ..
Not in Tolkien's universe.
This is a great video, man! 👍
Morgoth:
Corruption + Elves = Orcs
Orcs + Elves = Goblins
Goblins + Elves = Hobgoblins
Sauron:
Corruption + Humans = Orcs (Snaga/Snuffler)
Orcs + Humans = Uruks
Saruman:
Orcs + Humans = Half-orcs
Goblins + Humans = Goblin-men
Half-orcs + Goblin-men = Uruk-hai
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No, Goblins are just orcs, orcs are that short and small. tall orcs are orcs that have interbred with humans to create urukhai.
The issue with the second theory is that Mel…. Okay, you covered that….
So does this mean the gremlin came before the egg?
Lol, there are no Gremlins, Bugbears or Ogres in Middle Earth.
@@jprp999 I was referring to the picture thats was provided which was showing the gremlin standing in front of the egg. It was a joke question
@@haden636 I was knocking the use of the picture (D&D?) not you.
@@jprp999 ah gotcha 👍
Hope we can get episode of Afro-Middle Earthian Elves and Dwarves aswell
a lot of presumptions here.
Can please anyone tell me the source where I can find picture on 4:38?
Hmm... I don't think I've ever seen that before. Try screenshotting it and then doing an image search. It's really cool looking
I think goblins are bigger then orcs at least in the books, in the hobbit the dwarves seem to fear goblins more then orcs and goblins seem to rule by who is the biggest and strongest while orcs have more of ranked command structure.
lurtz is only a foot shorter than azog
Perhaps the female : male birthrate isn't 50:50 like humans. Could be 10:90 or something.
The origin of orcs is pretty evident. There's a feature they all have. Tolkein's orcs, Warhammer orcs, Warcraft orcs, D&D orcs, all of them.
It's the feature left kind of intact to torture them with the knowledge of what they could have been and to torture those they came from with the knowledge that they were not immune to corruption.
They all still have their pointed ears.
*The Rings of Power was 100% Crap* .
Honestly nature/god should have made more hominids other than humans. World would be so fascinating with creatures that look like us but are also completelly different
that's honestly what the world used to look like, homo sapiens, denisovans, Neanderthalensis, floresiensis (my favourite look up flores man they were essentially hobbits) were all alive at the same time, and judging by the amount of their DNA found in modern humans likely just reabsorbed their population into ours several tens of thousands of years ago.
There were multiple
Now do Warhammer fantasy
Orcs no die
Dude, read the freaking silmarillon. Orcs were elves! If you want to make lore videos, get the lore right... Are you just going of the movies? Even then you are getting shit wrong...
He litterally mentions at around 7min that the Orcs started put as Elves corrupted by Melkor.
You had my interest until you mentioned that garbage from amazon
ahks, its all i can hear XD
I personally think the size of Orcs and Goblins is determined by diet just like with humans, the smaller Orcs and Goblins typically live in caves or mountains where food would be scarce, they're not opposed to cannibalism but don't typically eat their own "gangs".
Well tribes if you want to use the shadow of games for lore (even though they aren't canon to the larger lore)
@@Dovah_Slayer I use the term tribe here as an example of different groups, there does seem to be inner rivalries with Orcs and Goblins in lord of the rings, but it's unclear if this is due to gang/tribe affiliation or just their violent nature
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 ah I see
its not
What about the goblin king he was huge
Even if orcs can live hundreds of years I think it's more likely that most of them don't live past 30 because of all the fighting and infighting orcs do and that constantly breeding kept their populations up.
theres also probably important orcs killing off any young upstarts that start to accrue a lot of personal or political power. like nancy pelosi but 6'5"
Like basketball americans
My theory as to why Azog is so large is because we only really know him from Bilbos story, who was running from the orc the whole time, probably looked huge to a little hobbit fresh out of the shire and, most likely, Bilbo embellished the size of his foes while telling his tale.
There's a possibility there.
Good thinking
Yeah... PJ films don't count as canon. they are adaptations.
Azog wasn't even supposed to be in the Hobbit...
No way. Bilbo mesured him with some Tailoring Tape while Azog was sleeping to make certain that his tales were accurate. AND that measurement matched the same ones taken by the Dwarves years earlier in height... but AZOG had added an inch in his biceps due to kicking so much butt in 100 years before Bilbo measured him. LOL jk goo point
I got the impression that the orcs had a Spartan type society, with males being exclusively trained for battle and related activities and females doing most everything else, with dominant males getting their pick of females as mates. The appearance of orcs was based on descriptions of Mongol warriors which got to western Europe during their invasions.
I always thought the female orcs were just indistinguishable from the male ones
In Sparta females were taught to I
fight and such, and they actually had more rights than most females in that time, not a lot, but more.
Ah yes, the mongol warriors with their bent legs and unnaturally long arms /s
@@kongspeaks4778 and their massive cocks
I always got the impression that orcs were based on Africans or Arabs.
Professor Tolkien addresses this in Letter 153 to Peter Hastings.
I suppose the chief difficulties I have involved myself in are scientific and biological - which worry me just as much as the theological and metaphysical (though you do not seem to mind them so much). Elves and Men are evidently in biological terms one race, or they could not breed and produce fertile offspring - there are two cases only in my legends of such unions, and they are merged in the descendants of Earendil
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meanwhile at a POW Camp
Melkor : Take him
Rohan Soldier : Finally, a warrior's death..
Melkor : Now kiss
Rohan Solider : Wait what?
One thing that as far as I know Tolkien never addressed was what happed to orcs in the afterlife. He did not believe that orcs were irredeemable, being no worse than evil men. Supposedly if they were in fact corrupted elves they would go to the Halls of Mandos.
Change the "c" to "k" and we have a bunch of jolly mushroom Orks(plus the Ugly/Handsome too)
OrkZ with a z tho.
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If i'm not mistaken, The Hobbit states that Goblin and Orc are the same thing, but in different language.
In the fellowship of the ring Saruman explains to the one Uruk Hai orcs were once elves but became twisted by darkness
In the Silmarillion it does specifically states that the orcs were once a species of elves, and that Melkor / Morgoth could not create life, only corrupt. The films contradict themselves a bit, as it shows the Uruk Hai coming out of vats fully grown (which is how they're described in the Shadow of Mordor / War games, which I know are not canon), yet Gandalf tells Elrond that Saruman was breeding orcs and goblin-men.
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I guess Saruman was secretly in contact with Kaminoans? Those darn cloners. 🤪😂🤪
@@legionarybooks13 it does very heavy handedly imply that Melkor steals some elves from Cuivienen and tortures them into Orcs. Imo that’s confirmation enough
Cant really rely on the movies. The movies include the High Fells - where the 9 are buried - but that burial could only have occurred long after the nazgguls come into being - which makes no sense because how could you bury a nazggul?
I think the first goblinmen were created when goblins forced themselves on captured human women
This was something I always wondered about when I was younger and watched lord of the rings constantly. Thanks for the video :)
I read somewhere that in addition to ordinary orcs, there were also powerful orcs. The Maiar, loyal to Morgoth, were embodied in their bodies. Sorry for bad English.
LOL he said rings of power was Tolkien work coming back lol. No only thing rings of power has in common with Tolkien are names.
I know, this whole thing is a travesty
Took me a long time to finally find a comment that pointed that out XD
Men and Orcs can breed.
I'd say male Orcs would 'assault" women to have babies. I can't imagine a male human/Elf/Dwarf saying "oooh that's a beautiful Orc woman, I think I'll have a go on that"
Although I've seen that sort of thing in the real world when I've worked on Pub Doors. I blame Beer Goggles
And then they wake up the next morning and wonder "What the hell did I DO?!"
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So this is the Russian life cycle.
+vodka
Yikes
@@LuisRivera-jk1vo
Yes.
The Russian life cycle is scary.
@@Acheron666 Same with the USA. Theirs even worse @___@
@@Acheron666 Nah more your ratlings spawning are far more scarier
Rings of Power has nothing to do with Tolkien literature sorry.
I like to think all of the origin stories are true. Melkor doesn't seem to be the type of person that would be satisfied with one type of minion.
Stopped the video less than a minute in. Saying goblins are a type of orc rather than just another word for them shows the lack of knowledge and great amount of " winging it" done here. This is NOT how Tolkien explained it. Full stop.
To prison with him!!!
By the way it did show a female orc in the movies
Where? Which? Show bobs and vagene. The one who finds frodo is just into bdsm but he is a he
Alright , the orcs bred between themselves or other humans and created other species but how the frick did trolls come along ?
Like I can't even imagine them bredding unless they are immortals or maybe very long living .
The most common theory is that Trolls were made in mockery of Ents, just as Orcs were made in mockery of Elves. This would also serve to explain the whole Trolls turning into stone, as a perversion of Ents going treeish and turning into trees
How would the interbreeding work for the uruks? Say saruman forced woman to be raped by orks how does that connect to the scene where the uruks are in sacks on the mud ? I don't get it
Being the GOBLIN KING does not make one A GOBLIN
I'm not saying he is/was NOT a goblin... but he looked more like a different species in the Movies.
The King of England is not always English... sme goes for the King of Spain, or any region. Just because you are the KING of a group of people/beings does not mean you are one of those people/beings. Conquerors exist in history and fiction.
David Bowie wasn't a goblin...but, he was their king!! ❤️
Do they grow extra fast? I assume they do considering how fast Saruman bred his army.
They are birthed from foul subterranean pits in the ground fully grown.
It took over 20 years for him to do it in the books.
Mabye white orcs are a larger subspecies of orc being given leadership roles. Also some may be Maiar taking the form of an orc
No. In the books the Uruk-Hai are the largest kind of orc, and they are distinctly black-skinned in contrast to the sallow goblinfolk of the Misty Mountains. The albino goliaths in Jackson's films are an absurd artistic liscense. As for Boldogs-Maiar in orc-shape-it is posible Tolkien abandoned the idea entirely considering its absence in later writings, though it is certainly intruging.
@@jackodonail1980 i think it's absent due to the mere fact that there are less maiar/magic beings in the 3rd age of Arda. There may have been Maiar orc lords in the first age, under the rule of Melkor, but they may have died during the countless battles that have taken place since then, and if any survived they would not have bowed down to another Maiar, aka Sauron.
@@jackodonail1980 The Olog-hai are not 100% definitely Trolls it says that some believed them to be giant Orcs, so that would make them the largest.
@@jprp999 Olog-hai literally means troll-folk.
@@jackodonail1980 This is true but so is what i wrote...........
Does the orc evolve to become a Russian soldier?
And your putting JRR Tolkien works in the same realms as Amazon's crap!! Really?? 🤔
Tolkien had two origins for orcs: corrupted elves, mud pit clones. Both are probably true. Gimli also joked about dwarves springing up from rocks.
The rings of power is going to flop so hard.
In the middle earth story nobody not even melkor or vallar can't create life only ulivatar so melkor had to corrupt the elves and humans to make the orcs.(butchering the names lol the main god and the gods after him)
I never understood how, if Uruk Hai were hatched recently, how and why did they have fully developed vocabularies and language skills?
A wizard did it
Imagine being an anthropologist in this world. You'd have to travel out from the Minas Tirith college and try to make contact with an orc tribe so you could ask them questions about their culture and history so you could get a sense of how their society is structured. It'd be pretty dangerous because there's a 'kill on sight' policy between the orcs and nearly everyone else. How would you go about it?
Tolkien was not sure about the orcs either, first they were tortured and twisted elves by Melkor, then later on interbreeding with Men and Beasts were also mentioned by him.
Apart from the Exception Like Bolg and Azog might have been, and of course the lesser evil maiars (being immortal souls and even their bodies like Gandalf's could be destroyed)) who took on the form of orcs they were rather short lived.
"They could be slain, and they were subject to disease; but apart from these ills they died and were not immortal, even according to the manner of the Quendi; indeed they appear to have been by nature short-lived compared with the span of Men of higher race, such as the Edain."
~Morgoth's Ring "Myths Transformed
I think orcs are a mix of stuff.
@@eu29lex16 yeah it's possible they have a more elf like appearance but degenerated as they bred with themselves or other races.
The orcs were also described as lacking a soul. They could represent the worst aspects of human nature...
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD. (Psalms 14:1-4)
I mean I’m sorry dude but the ‘nameless things’ are clearly tax collecting Jews 😂 (I shouldn’t have to say this but it’s clearly a joke guess you can’t be safe though this days lol 😂)
Why get back into the lore of middle earth because of the rings of power? Even the rings of power is ignoring the lore....
I found out there's alot of Rapes in LOTR world where Orcs capture women and breed them.. Crap...
It can go both ways. Like human males being captured to breed with orcs, i don't know if it's ever explained
Why are you diving into the lore? Amazon certainly didn't.
The scariest idea is Morgoth creating the orcs but then Illuvatar breathing life into them as he did the dwarves.
He didn't create the orcs. Melkor kidnapped elves and tortured/twisted them into orcs. Illuvatar didn't breathe life into these monsters.
@@NabeelKhan-lx2ly i dont think anyone knows what actually happened, just theories
@@guilhermebraga9773 the creation of the original orcs has been mentioned in the Silmarillion.
Ooh plot twist. Iluvatar did say "And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined." If everything Morgoth did was part of Iluvatar's plan, maybe Iluvatar was to blame for the creation of the orcs
@@NabeelKhan-lx2ly Yes, but Tolkien himself is know to have change the lore about this topic more than one time, and some specialistis debate the reasons why until this day....Tolkien's (and his son's) cristian view of the world would prevail in the final versions of LOTR and Silmarillion, but he speculated about the possibility that darkness could create life in his early scripts, it was actualy a pretty comom speculation of writers in the late XIX and early XX, in the mist of cientific inovations and the storys like New Prometheus and Island of Dr Moreau, but at the end Tolkien writed an critics of industrial and imperialist modernity, and he used the orcs as an alegory of evil, so yes you are right
don't call rings of power middle Earth..that is just Middle earth inspired.Woke version of M.E made by amazon.
Orcs are much more than meets the eye and you can't find enough information about them in the movies, which is a shame. Thanks for making this great video, and bringing in light on what orcs are/how they live their lives in the middle earth, this helped me understanding them a lot.
Hahaha 5:20 Azog looks like he got kicked in the balls lol
Hahahahahah, thank you, that made my day.
WAAAAGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!
Informative video, but please don’t give any attention to t he woke Amazon crap. It’s insulting to Tolkien’s work and all of us who have been inspired by them.
Lol
@@mindq4328 downvoted for being a meme
Interesting to see the life cycle of an average Russian
true to that, but as said multiple times, orcs are at least capable warriors, and slightly value there own lifes which you cannot said about bolshevik piggies, which are basically just unique npcs with easy difficulty setting set to spam artillery.
Lmao
My personal theory upon Azog and Bolg: The witch King brought with him everything, he needed to create new orks. He also brought black numenoreans. He might have crossbred those with the orcs of the north.
You can't imagine how i hate the fact that people be like "uuuugh we're not sure about that" IT IS LITERALLY WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS
Female orcs are in the Peter Jackson movies. The catapult commander in Return of the King even wears a ..."dress" which looks filthy, and skulls in her blonde grey hair. There's also several in the horde outside the castle in RotK. Some are dressed just like the males but carry bows.
They're there. A good number of them.
Now you're making stuff up 🙄
@@volsten8721 lol nooo
Yep I remember seeing one or two in Rotk
Those aren't supposed to be female orcs , they are simply female extras who wore orcish prosthetics and equipment.
Also since you mentioned the "catapult commander"
I assume you either mean Guritz or his subordinate , neither of whom are females and are quite explicitly males. And I have no idea about what dress you are talking about , that's just leather beneath a mail/scale skirt , men have been wearing similar garments beneath armor since antiquity.
There's a possibility that azog and bolg are descendants from boldogs of morgoth
7:28 That was a thing I did not know about rats and rodents. 🤣
LOL! 😂😂
Seeing Azog and Bolg in the movies, one should think they were decendants of boldogs!
Just imagine being captured by Sauron's crew. A tall, strong, good looking guy like me would be kept as a breeder for sure! A sex slave for impregnating female orcs!
There are no female orcs. Orcs are born in vats. And they are all male soldiers.
Also, it is zoophilia if you are sexually attracted to monsters
Bruh
Blog and Azog are not half orcs and its not unknown where came from!!!!
You mean (the wokes of power)
Wish tolkien spent some time developing the orc and goblin races... Fiction is always nicer when its detailed as if it was real
Tolkien wishes that too.
NO
@@yagami1134 YES
he devised multiple languages, scripts, and the history to explain them. Orcs, as the bogymen of the story, really didn't need further fleshing out.
although the fact that they and the trolls all speak with East End accents volumes for Tolkien's society
Well orcs are almost devil like in the books. They are also described as not having any soul so perhaps they were corrupted and replicated through dark magic rather than reproduction like our own.
I'm just going to say what everyone else is thinking. 🤢 Gross!
The rings of power os going to be straight woke trash 😂🗑 not wasting my time on that. 👎
Just came here to say nobody should trust this channel based on the thumbnail alone for this video...
This was something I always wondered about when I was younger and watched lord of the rings constantly. Thanks for the video :)
anything in the books that is a bit unclear it's because in tolkien's style everything is written like a myth. some informations are lost or vague in the lore and in the actual books because there are no records anymore, the knowledge is lost. even gandalf spent a lot of time away, researching to find out more about the ring and sauron, for example. a bit of mystery is ok, it makes a story, especially a legend like this, more interesting. nowadays we want all the data, all the details, all the information, if we don't have it, we just invent. geez.
i don't see archeologists going to utumno and find out the origins of orcs, do you? lol
Wonderful comment. I think so as well.
I have to admit (2 things I didn't like) I never liked that Tolkien made goblins & orcs the same creature (I actually found D&D first & Tolkien 2nd, so they started out two seperate beings) & even bigger problem is orcs from corrupted elves (w/ all the depth of the books all the names alone I mean my lord) I thought it was lame, because corrupted or not they'd have the same basic DNA & therefore ; for whatever reason, I mean like orcs can basically breed w/ just about anything but not elves & corrupted elves, some how that just doesn't sit right w/ me... so uruks or uruk-kai one is simply orcs & men this is a half-orc... idk call me a blasphemer, I think I made uruks= orcs + goblins, uruk-hai= orcs + orges, & goblins have to be there own seperate creature
Don’t show this to the people bitching about rings of power. They seem to think Peter Jackson created this entire world with his Lord of the rings movies
May be quite obvious at this point. But, what if no one created/twisted the Orcish Race. In other words, what if it was Eru Illuvutar himself who created them? Obviously, they were probably not like this in the beginning. I heard that the bringing of Orcs by Melkor was the most vile action taken by Melkor. This would seem to describe him twisting, and ruining an entire race of being. The Orcs.
J.R.R. Tolkien Did not get along with the Jocks at Oxford University, the best Jocks were on the "Oxford Rowing Crew" On the back of there jackets were three letters. O.R.C. Learn something new every day.
You could have mentioned the conversation between Shagrat and Gorbag, which sheds a lot of light on this.
4:29 I dont understand why you are applying modern science knowledge which was not the domain of Tolkien. For most fantasy and sci-fi fiction, humans can breed with every creature regardless of the closeness to the species creating half version variants.
What kind of mental gymnastics would be needed for using science of DNA to explain how Dragons could breed with humans creating Dragonborn races or explain the case of Spock from Star Trek who was a half human?
Aliens movie can melt several layers or mm of metal of a Spaceship with few mL of their blood which is not even believable yet people enjoy it due to suspension of disbelief.
You can just use Glass and ceramic armor to fight against Aliens and their acid blood would be rendered useless.
How do u explain how orcs come from the ground?
Warhammer stated they are highly evolved forms of fungus but tokliens orcs, what if they are freshly DEAD casualties if war warped with necromancy????? Gave it life and they took it to thier advantage then started breeding???
Please don't use Rings of Power to represent anything about Tolkien's stories.
They are not canon.
Seriously....2 "15 second" commercials dude? I am not even gonna watch this video just for that...Dont be so greedy..
Except The Difference Between
These Creatures in Mythologies
Also The Orcs From the movie of
Warcraft 2016 is far more Different For Respectful With The ones from The Universe Of Tolkien and Funny There is no Orcs in The Chronicles Of Narnia
There is no questions about it.
well yeah but this video is JUST about Tolkiens Orcs. Any Orcs in other settings are their own thing with their own rules.
Your illustrations do not fully match up with your descriptions. Why not show a picture of the Orcs from the Peter Jackson Hobbit movie to clearly convey what you are describing.
Yeah but the Lords of power is worse than Vikings Valhalla that actually has a black woman replacing a male Viking king which is just ridiculous they cannot justify that and just like they cannot justify making the elves anything but slender white blonde headed people the elves have always been have blonde hair and they're always very light skinned it's always been like that but there is no black else or no Hispanic elves
4:55 They had a female Orc in 'The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King,' and she was really uglylooking...