Piedmon was such a worthy final villain. In my opinion he came the closest to beating the Digi-destined, and it took literally the entire cast to beat him along with OP MangaAngemon. The Dark masters should’ve been the final antagonist of the first season but that’s just me.
Fun fact: Piedmon is the only Dark Master who was defeated by the entirety of the Digidestined and their allies. The other 3 dark masters were beaten with fractions of the team and outright died. Piedmon was locked in another dimension. You can argue he was killed when the Gate of Destiny deleted shortly after he was blasted into it, but it’s possible that it closed the portal rather than eliminating its occupants.
@@MasterofVirology WarGreymon fought him one-on-one most of the fight. As a dramon destroyer they knew he alone could defeat him. Zudomon and Whamon assisted at crucial points, but WarGreymon finished him off alone with a Brave Tornado.
Iirc was Piemon not actually killed here for real as Millenniumon freed him in one of the Japan exclusive wonderswan games which yes are canon. That being said Piemon was killed in that game.
I like how Elecmon playing the harmonica is yet another subtle example of the Digimon adopting human traits from exposure to the Children. He's gone from his more beastial nature in his introduction episode, to having some semblance of appreciation for art. It's lovely to see.
This is one of my favorite episodes due to the drama, hype and creativity that went into the final battle. I wanna note that the writers structured this perfectly. Instead of the children facing Piedmon all at once, we get to see multiple brief battles and a final showdown. To me, this justifies Piedmon’s overall loss in a believable manner. For example, 1. Piedmon vs WarGreymon & Metalgurumon. The Megas wisen up to his tricks and get the upper hand only to fall victim to his most dangerous newly revealed attack. With the 2 strongest gone we’re left to wonder how the fight will play out. 2. Piedmon vs Andromon. The next strongest of the bunch risks himself and puts up one of the best fights in the episode, blocking sword shots with his arms & even sending a gatling attack Piedmon’s way after knocking him back with a powerful punch before being caught next. 3. Piedmon vs Angewoman & Guradamon. The two female Ultimates surprise a distracted Piedmon with a celestial arrow & wing blade that temporarily immobilizes him. He’s growing too arrogant yet wins. 4. Piedmon vs Angemon. The Champion puts on an impression showing similar to Andromon and arguably more so given he’s two levels below Piedmon. Piedmon is knocked down showing fatigue, but ultimately overpowers the champion with 3 straight attacks. 5. Piedmon vs MangaAngemon. Piedmon is embarrassed by the newly digivolved ultimate who ironically didn’t need “experience” to literally overthrow him. A very brief exchange but it counts. 6. Piedmon vs everybody at once! Piedmon is desperate and conjures up weak ass Vilemon who get destroyed quickly. Everybody is back to normal and Mimi arrives with back up. Piedmon has his cloth pierced, swords destroyed by a Horn Buster, blown away by a wing blade and double teamed into the Gate of destiny by the two megas! The fact that the Digimon that got turned into keychains weren’t fighting long enough to lose strength made it easier for them to topple the weaken Piedmon who had been battling all along.
LadyDevimon is the gatekeeper and bodyguard for the last dark master. There was no reason for her to appear earlier given her stated role on Izzy’s Digimon analyzer. Piedmon could’ve definitely assisted her in the fight, but her job is to protect him until he’s ready to engage. I do believe he was clapping those demonic butt cheeks on the side too, so your mistress theory makes sense as an alternative role for her.
Lady Devimon was taken down by two ultimate digimon. Piedmon defeated wargreymon (a mega digimon) on his own. Piedmon doesn't need protection. It's merely a status symbol
@@MasterofVirology Ummm.. Angewomon got very lucky MegaKabuterimon intervened when LadyD was about to strike with a final blow. Let's not forget she took on 2 experienced Ultimates and 3 experienced Champions at the same time without much sweat. In my opinion, LadyD was more of a threat than other Ultimate villains that season, like Myotismon for example, who fought against newly digivolved Ultimates.
I find it pretty awesome that Chikao Ohtsuka, Piemon's seiyuu, had his role reprised by his own son Akio Ohtsuka in Digimon Survive, and the roles were pretty indistinguishable!
Your commentary on Piemon actually has helped me make a small analysis, I think what makes him dangerous is his wit and unique abilities. However, in terms of genuine combat abilities, he is fairly inept. That doesn't downplay Andromon or Angemon, however it means that the clown is not meant for direct confrontation. In fact I'd argue that's part of why LadyDevimon was necessary, she is beyond competent in direct conflict.
I agree and disagree. Surely in terms of raw power, Piedmon isn't the strongest. But he's the only one with magical abilities. It's more than just his Witt that makes him dangerous. He's unpredictable. Furthermore, all great villains have body guards. It's not necessarily to protect the antagonist, but rather it's a status symbol. Look at Frieza from DBZ. Frieza had the Ginyu force. Clearly he was vastly stronger than all of them, yet they were considered to be his elite body guards
Furthermore, Lady Devimon was taken down by two ultimate digimon. Piedmon defeated wargreymon (a mega digimon) on his own. Piedmon doesn't need protection. It's merely a status symbol
Sora probably has the absolute worst resolution of every single one of the original children, both within Adventure itself, and then far more egregiously in the sequels, who all screw her over in some way. Within the context of Digimon adventure, we have what should have been a great story arc, and development... But it was tragically cut short due to two massive factors(three if you consider how short and rushed the dark masters arc was in general). The first is that either due to writing mistake, or simply due to it having to be cut or abridged due to very real episode limitations, the single most critical part of Sora's development was not given the very hard and real focus it needed to flourish, and end her character arc on a high note. And that is of course her relationship with her mother, and the very real hatred she had for the flower shop her mother wanted her to inherit. Now this is an incredibly important part of her character, and unfortunately not only was it not given the time it needed to flourish and reach a conclusion, but later writers actually regressed on the route that the original show was building towards, but never quite reached. Namely that Sora and her mom needed to have a talk, where Sora flat out told her mom just how much she hated that flower shop. How much it made her miserable, how her rejecting it wasn't her just acting out, but the fact that inheriting that thing would make her absolutely miserable. That is a good, mature character conflict, and given that Sora obviously loves her mom, and wants to make her proud, the reality that in this manner, sora can never be what her mother wants her to be, should have lead to both good character development, as well as some kind of resolution with her mom, as they sit down, talk about it, and then talk about where they go from there. That should have been Sora's highlight in the human world, and given her the closure she needed to finally grow, spread her wings, and become the young woman she actually WANTED to be. Unfortunately, we dont get that, and withouth closure, sora is unfortunately never able to grow during the final arc either. And then of course... There is the way the sequels pretty much just shits on Sora and her sports ambitions in general after this series. I could make a big comment about that all on its own, and where she ended up in life is the single best argument for regarding both the 02 epilogue, as well as her settling down in the latest movie, as non canon, and just pretend the series ended at malomyotismons death, stupid though it is. Then of course there is the other elephant in the room. Tachi x sora. Now, it does not take a genuis to figure out that mayhaps the one character who's defining virtue was love, might have been involved in a romance of some kind. It further does bot take a genuis to pick up on the fact that out of anyone else, Sora's closest bond with the other kids was Taichi, and thir bond was especially close. Now with this all in mind, as well as the fact that whatever would happen in Sora's original draft, she would stay at Taichi's side throughout almost all of the final arc, and him sending her away to pick up Yamato was supposed to be a sign of complete trust in her, and maturity on his part. Now with this in mind, im pretty sure that had the original draft and plans the writer had in mind been allowed to go the way it had, Tachi and Sora would probably have hooked up sometime in this final arc. This is supported by the fact that until 02, all the material produced was very, very blatant about their relationship and the fact it was heading to a romantic resolution. Which leads to the question. Why did Sora x Yamato become the actual thing that happened, despite not really having that much of a bond through this series, especially compared to Tachi and Sora? Well, there are two reasons. And both of them... Are absolutely infuriating. 1. Yamato scored number one on a japanese Character poll, ahead of Tachi(In fact i dont even know how high he scored). For some insane, bizarre reason, this made one of the head writers(or several, its not clear) decide that pairing her up with Yamato(The more popular character) was the obviously better move. And that reason also melded with the other, bigger, more decisive, and even more infuriating reason. 2. The writer behind it decided he wanted to pair up Yamato and Sora, not because it made sense, or because he liked their dynamic, but because he thought it would be too boring and standard if the Main male and female leads hooked up, and so he decided to flip it around because he could. In other words, he wanted to subvert audience expectations, long, long before that became a plague on modern fiction. And just like all those who followed him, he failed to understand that to make subverting expectations a good storytelling tool, you 1. Need to plan it all out in advance. 2. It needs to create a logical, interesting story on it's own. 3. You need to have an actual, deeper you want to tell it like that, rather than, lol, wouldn't it be funny if this DIDN'T happen despite the buildup before this all suggesting it would go a specific way? Which in turn is why Sora suddenly finds herself such a player in a story that came out of nowhere that is all about yamato, in order to create some deeper sense that there is a bond between the two of them, just so that there would be SOMETHING to build off of for the random out of nowhere relationship they had in 02. Which means that whatever scraps Sora was supposed to get after her too soon and not enough climax with her mom, was in turn cut short to set up a relationship that the vast, vast majority of fans, east and west, HATE. And all of that is so, so infuriating, because there was room to do a lot with Sora, in both her personality(Becoming more assertive as a peacemaker as you suggested), her relationahip with her mom that needed a climax, and actually exploring the implications of love, both as a friend, a daughter, a surrogate figure, and as is so appropriate for a story about growing up and coming of age, romantic love. Alas, it is what it is.
I'm not as familiar with how popular characters became after the show ran its course. I was never a fan of Yamato, but I know my brother was for whatever reasons. I guess I owed it to the aesthetics. The blond spikey hair was something people also like about Cloud from FF7 too, so maybe it was as shallow as "this character looks cool so I like him!" than anything having to do with his character. Aside from that, your line of thinking follows my own thoughts about a lot of modern entertainment--namely that fanservice has a tendency to alter these fantasy universes in ways that contradict how characters are built. I did an "In Retrospect" series on Adventure 02 a long time ago and I was recently thinking about revisiting some things. While there's a lot of doom and gloom with what happened with Sora, I at least take solace in how Mimi became somewhat of a breakout character in later sequels. In fact, she seems to be far more passionate than Taichi at times.
@@whattheegad frankly, one of the big things that i would want out of a remake of Adventure 1, is a sequel where our old leads werent thrown away for a trio of incredibly boring and uninteresting newbies. And Mimi is one of the reasons why. Mimi in the sequels proved that yes, there was still stories to be told about the old group in a new setting after their first adventure... It just wasnt the one we got. 02. Had a lot of potential, but i'll be blunt. The show shot itself in the foot from day 1 by replacing it's very well developed, and not completely finished growing cast, with 3 newbies. Also, speaking about 02. There was one point in your videos i kinda disagreed with. I dont know if you've thought about. But Yukio Oikawa and Ken were far and away the best parts of that series, and unfortunately, neither really got to live out their full potential due to various factors. However your thoughts that the previous chosen children were mere copies is one i cant really say i agree with. And the reason is Yukio Oikawa. Yukio Oikawa, in my opinion, SHOULD have been one of the original chosen children. He and his friend should have been amongst the original saviors(Maybe the only two who survived) of the digital world, and rather than the tragedy being that they never got to see the digital world, it should instead be Oikawa's desperate wish to see the old world he and his friends loved so much again. Its such a good flip from what the chosen children we know, and would create such a sharp, decisive contrast. Oikawa, after saving the digital world, losing every single thing in the process, most of his friends, being separated from his digimon, is left with only one thing in his life. His best friend, and together, they talk of maybe one day returning to that place... Leading to the heartbreaking, but realistic reaction of the grandpa to think he's crazy and separate them... And Oikawa just spirals as an adult, becoming a lonely, computer programer, with only one friend... and then he dies. And oikawa's last vestige, his bond to life on earth just vanish, leading him to hold up that picture at the sky and cry, begging the new chosen children to take them with him, to once more see that world, the only thing that made him happy... All while asking his friend of why he had to die and leave him all alone in the world... Of asking what sort of reward this was from the universe, from god, from ANYONE above, for saving the world? Now wheter one goes with him accepting a deal with a devil in his lowest moment(though i fully agree should NOT have been the old vampire) or just goes insane, its such a good story idea, and a warning to the kids of the fact that just because they're saviors, does not mean they can just sit back and lay on their roses. They will go through tragedy, heartbreak, loneliness. And if they abandon the ideals they are supposed to embody, they might one day end up the same way as Oikawa. Either way, i genuinely think that previous chosen children would have been worth it despite the confusing continuity problems... IF oikawa had been one of them. What we got instead was... Not that. I dont know if you plan to cover 02. Like you did adventure, but i would advice you to get far, far more used to give your opinion on how things should have gone. 02. Had good ideas, but it's a story about what could and should have been, rather than what we actually got.
@@biropgrules Best part of Adventure 02 was Ken's story. That lasted up until about halfway into 02 where they did the reversal. In my video series 10 years ago, I talked about how Ken's reversal was poorly handled because it was almost instantaneous. Far better it would have been to have the second half of 02 see Ken slowly worked down from his Kaiser status into something else entirely. Instead, the writers did a 180 on him at roughtly the halfway point and the rest of 02 is filler. Mummymon and Arukenemon were basically Team Rocket, as far as I was concerned. Episode 13 was awesome and the only episode written by Chiaki J. Konaka for Adventure 02. Dagomon would have been an exceedingly interesting villain, if he had been allowed to have more presence. Maybe he will if the Adventure continuity want to follow up on Himekawa being swallowed up by the Dark Ocean. BlackWarGreymon would have also been better served if he were written more clearly as a remnant of the hideous acts committed by the Digimon Kaiser. He should have been the edge that would rub on Ken's guilty conscience--the evil that he inflicted on the Digital World and others, still alive, still at work. In a manner, that idea is drawn from the D-Reaper: an entity at odds with humanity even though it was created to protect humanity.
Myotismon is far superior in every way. Not to mention how many forms he took on. No matter how many times the digidestined "think" they "killed" him. He managed to always come back. Rumor has it, he is still seen lurking around playing black jack with eta-mon
I feel like adventure should have been split into two seasons; season 1 should involve the file island, server continent, and vandemon invasion, and season 2 should focus on the dark master and the nature of of the digital world
I kinda understand what you mean The dark master section was too short, you had 4 villains (5 if you include Apocalymon) there wasn’t enough episodes to flesh them out apart from Puppetmon who had 5 episodes, everyone else had only 2 I felt like the dark masters should each have gotten 5 episodes and we could have seen the other 6 digimons reach mega
Sora is a good character in 01, I think the shorts are telling that she is appreciation of her mom's profession. Sometimes wild childs have to calm down.
I like your analysis on Mimi and Joe, which is especially poignant considering that their respective voice actor passed away. Mimi was always one of my favourite characters (thanks to Semplar's great performance) and I love her growth over the series. Joe's arc was just as strong, and his dynamic with hid digimon partner was always fun.
Are you gonna do Adventure 02 villains? I hope so. Actually, Sora’s character makes a lot of sense. Sometimes, kids *do* take things up to rebel against their parents and then see that it’s not so bad to like for example, feminine things. I used to be a tomboy as a child, and now I like some feminine things. I’m not a carbon copy of my mum, but I’m also not a tomboy anymore. I would have liked if Sora had found a balance between her femininity (she is actually the more feminine character between her and Mimi, being the mother of the group) and tomboyishness. Mimi was always (by Japanese standards) the more aggressive and unfeminine of the two. Sure, she liked clothes and makeup, but she always spoke her mind and was very blunt, to the point of rudeness sometimes, which is not considered desirable generally in Asian culture, but especially not for women. She did also, as you point out, take the lead in not wanting to fight anymore and stood up to Taichi, which as you once again outlined, is something Sora refused to do. This is even a subplot for her in Digimon Tri, where she is called out for what other characters interpret as her selfish/rudeness (and they’re not completely wrong), negative traits of her that became even worse after her stint in the US in 02. And she learns that she does need to learn to consider others’ feelings and not just do what she believes is the right thing/what she feels like doing, much like Taichi did in 01. Sora I think took up the flower shop as a way to feel closer to her mum. When I was a kid, I had zero interest in flowers, but now that I am an adult, I grow flowers indoors. My grandma loves flowers, so I have them around because they remind me of her. I wasn’t pressured into liking them, or into liking fashion like my mum. It’s just something that I took up because I saw that it could also be fun. It would have been cool if Sora took over her mother’s business, but coached her children’s soccer team on the side or something. It would be a nice synthesis of her personality and her mother’s. I don’t think Sora and Rika are that similar tbh.
@@pariahstat2683 That's difficult to determine. Back in 2018, when I started these, I had a job that allowed me more leeway to write and narrate and so I was able to post more consistently. I've a different job now, one that doesn't allow devote as much time to these projects. That's just the way it goes. If you want, Chapter 10 has already been posted on FanFiction.net. I haven't started writing Chapter 11 yet, although I've a good idea how I'm going to lay it out. Other than that, I've got plans to finish the Digimon Adventure series and move onto Tamers next as far as doing my "In Retrospect" stuff is concerned.
Its a little thing but I'm glad you're calling them Chosen Children as opposed to Digidestined. I'm sure most of us started with the dub, but its nothing like the sub.
1:00: Your knowledge of Taoism is lacking if you assume the balance is always the middle of light and dark, rather than light clamping dark, until darkness inevitably returns. Despite retcons, this same philosophy is precisely why Darth Vader defeated Palpatine in original intent of George Lucas, this is what the Jedi expected "the prophecy" This is precisely the nature of The Avatar according to Korra. And this is precisely why The DigiDestined were called.
She just gets lost in the sauce of the Dark Masters arc. It's like the writers didn't know what to do with her at that point and so she's following Taichi's every whim. In the Vamdemon Invasion arc, everyone has a meaningful family reunion except for Sora. Hell, even Jō gets to find his brother near the end. Sora just hugs her mother after being saved by her but is never reunited after they defeat Venom Vamdemon.
@@johnryu2317 I think the main problem is that Adventure has too many characters to give all of them meaningful resolutions to their character. They were too ambitious with the number of chosen children.
@@johnryu2317 Generously, I would say that allotting that much development to 8 characters and 8 Digimon partners means some corners were cut. Taichi has a tearful reunion with his family. Yamato and Takeru bring their parents together briefly for an awkward reunion before they head out into the Digital World again. Koushiro openly accepts his adoptive parents and hugs them. Jō meets his brother and they talk about his future. We also see Mimi at home with her parents and later at the Tokyo Expo Center. Mimi's father tries to save her and the others by running a golf cart into Dark Tyranomon; it's funny and awkward, but somewhat heartfelt as well. Sora? She hugs her mother after she is saved, but there isn't any meaningful exchange between them. In fact, most of what we get is Piyomon interacting with Sora's mother which is strange since the two were never even formally introduced. Now, Sora's mother brings Sora's helmet to her which could mean she's saying she accepts the fact that Sora is the way she is. However, later iterations see Sora not following that path and essentially becoming her mother. I'm not sure how or why that happened. I feel like, as much time and attention was shown to the other children, Sora just got left behind and I'm not sure how that could have been solved other than to make the show longer than it was--adding more episodes or cutting stuff out of other episodes to make room for more scenes.
@@whattheegad Ahhh I keep forgetting the show runners had to deal with 1.5 times 8 main characters, even if one got the short end of the stick, I guess the Drastic change from Adventure to Kizuna gave most of us whiplash with Sora admittingly.
I always thought that Piemon was fallen angel who after loosing his wings put on the mask. Unlike Devimon, he does not hide from heaven's but openly mocks them. Maybe he was once respected angel, but now he is just sadistic man child.
@@whattheegad also I don't think Piemon is creature of chaos. In every situation before his downfall he was in control. Everything went as he had foreseen. But Holyangemon took it away and he got desperated hence little evil army.
I feel the whole arc was running out the clock...or more aptly trying to fill run time as if there was a limited budget. The fight is 2 episodes but they barely do any actual fighting.
I agree; I wish Episode 52 had spent far less time on the whole chasing the children for dolls. War Greymon is also defeated far too easily in the beginning and humiliatingly so.
@@whattheegad they also hype you up with the wargreymon/metalgarurumon vs piemon fight and right when they get the upper hand it transitions to a chase scene. I'm surprised you didn't comment on the insert song when angemon evolves.
@@whattheegad maybe its just me liking the song. Its only played twice...once when they go on the boat to meet devimon. But this time, it seemed like they intended this evolution to be special because usually brave heart plays but instead its the Spanish orchestra.
@@benjaminpeters6729 Interesting; this would also play into my talking about their battle being an echo of the past. Thank you for pointing this out. I should pay more attention to the music.
So weird! Why would you do such an extensive analysis of the entire first season of Digimon? While we're in the worst war ourselves now because most don't even get they're in grave danger?
Honestly piedmon should have been the first pot17 in the mobile digital masters game/ did warfare lol..... And machinedramon be the only pot16 if the 4
Why was mimi army necessary. (1)Whenever evil arose in the digital world, the good digimon ran and hide. They rarely fought back against evil. (2)You suggested that Mimi team should have fought Piedmon in order to save the Keychain digi destined. That would have been a huge flaw. Mimi army of digimon would have been fighting to rescue the chosen children and Not for themselves. You said the Piedmon fight was disappointing. It wasn't meant to be a direct confrontation. You literally described Piedmon as a being that loves chaos. A being that loves chaos doesn't fight you directly. He or she relishes in your fear your anxiety, your doubt. Wanting a full on fight with Piedmon wouldn't fit his character. Again, as you stated, he is a being of chaos Matt becoming "evil" wasn't purely for drama. He and Tai had been at odds literally the entirety of the show. You didn't think that would have come to heads at some point! Furthermore, being placed in a stressful situation, watching so many allies die right in front of you, and knowing that literally the entire world rest on your shoulders will bring our negatives or less desirable traits. The most obvious thing you are overlooking in your analysis is.... THEY ARE CHILDREN. Most adult would fold under this type of pressure.
It was disappointing because it ended far too soon. Mimi's army was unnecessary insofar as Piemon's "army" is a bunch of low-level Digimon who easily be obliterated by a bunch of evolved Perfect-level Digimon anyway. Might have been different if Piemon had a legion of Devidramon at his side, but he didn't. I understand why Matt was turned. My problem is with "how" it was done not "why" it was done. A lot of it begins or ends due some Digital World magic and not organic storytelling. Yes, they are children, but their experiences thus far have essentially made them adults. That is the point of writing a Coming-of-Age story. It was the same for the Pevensie children in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. This is a story about children who rapidly become adults over a very short period of time. The time lapse between the real and Digital World is partial evidence of that. Secondly, is the tale of Urashima Taro, which Mimi references. They are caught in suspended time and while they are aging like children biologically, they are becoming adults experientially.
@@jhnyjoejoe69 you can't say he was wrong. He has an interpretation just like you do. Only the author, which I'm sure you are not, can say if someone analysis is wrong
@@whattheegad I believe your analysis was good. There are things I disagree with, but I'm not the author. Only the author can say if one's analysis is wrong
Piedmon was such a worthy final villain. In my opinion he came the closest to beating the Digi-destined, and it took literally the entire cast to beat him along with OP MangaAngemon. The Dark masters should’ve been the final antagonist of the first season but that’s just me.
Fun fact: Piedmon is the only Dark Master who was defeated by the entirety of the Digidestined and their allies. The other 3 dark masters were beaten with fractions of the team and outright died. Piedmon was locked in another dimension. You can argue he was killed when the Gate of Destiny deleted shortly after he was blasted into it, but it’s possible that it closed the portal rather than eliminating its occupants.
Didn't they all fight metalseadramon?
@@MasterofVirology Technically, I suppose. They were all present but not everyone actually fought him.
@@whattheegad I wasn't being sarcastic. It's been awhile since I've watched the battles with the dark masters
@@MasterofVirology WarGreymon fought him one-on-one most of the fight. As a dramon destroyer they knew he alone could defeat him. Zudomon and Whamon assisted at crucial points, but WarGreymon finished him off alone with a Brave Tornado.
Iirc was Piemon not actually killed here for real as Millenniumon freed him in one of the Japan exclusive wonderswan games which yes are canon.
That being said Piemon was killed in that game.
I like how Elecmon playing the harmonica is yet another subtle example of the Digimon adopting human traits from exposure to the Children. He's gone from his more beastial nature in his introduction episode, to having some semblance of appreciation for art. It's lovely to see.
Angewomon vs LadyDevimon, the fight that turned many boys into MEN.
This is one of my favorite episodes due to the drama, hype and creativity that went into the final battle. I wanna note that the writers structured this perfectly. Instead of the children facing Piedmon all at once, we get to see multiple brief battles and a final showdown. To me, this justifies Piedmon’s overall loss in a believable manner. For example,
1. Piedmon vs WarGreymon & Metalgurumon. The Megas wisen up to his tricks and get the upper hand only to fall victim to his most dangerous newly revealed attack. With the 2 strongest gone we’re left to wonder how the fight will play out.
2. Piedmon vs Andromon. The next strongest of the bunch risks himself and puts up one of the best fights in the episode, blocking sword shots with his arms & even sending a gatling attack Piedmon’s way after knocking him back with a powerful punch before being caught next.
3. Piedmon vs Angewoman & Guradamon. The two female Ultimates surprise a distracted Piedmon with a celestial arrow & wing blade that temporarily immobilizes him. He’s growing too arrogant yet wins.
4. Piedmon vs Angemon. The Champion puts on an impression showing similar to Andromon and arguably more so given he’s two levels below Piedmon. Piedmon is knocked down showing fatigue, but ultimately overpowers the champion with 3 straight attacks.
5. Piedmon vs MangaAngemon. Piedmon is embarrassed by the newly digivolved ultimate who ironically didn’t need “experience” to literally overthrow him. A very brief exchange but it counts.
6. Piedmon vs everybody at once! Piedmon is desperate and conjures up weak ass Vilemon who get destroyed quickly. Everybody is back to normal and Mimi arrives with back up. Piedmon has his cloth pierced, swords destroyed by a Horn Buster, blown away by a wing blade and double teamed into the Gate of destiny by the two megas!
The fact that the Digimon that got turned into keychains weren’t fighting long enough to lose strength made it easier for them to topple the weaken Piedmon who had been battling all along.
LadyDevimon is the gatekeeper and bodyguard for the last dark master. There was no reason for her to appear earlier given her stated role on Izzy’s Digimon analyzer. Piedmon could’ve definitely assisted her in the fight, but her job is to protect him until he’s ready to engage. I do believe he was clapping those demonic butt cheeks on the side too, so your mistress theory makes sense as an alternative role for her.
Lady Devimon was taken down by two ultimate digimon. Piedmon defeated wargreymon (a mega digimon) on his own. Piedmon doesn't need protection. It's merely a status symbol
@@MasterofVirology He didn't need her, but in typical villian fashion henchmen exist to serve the boss. regardless of power level.
@@MasterofVirology Ummm.. Angewomon got very lucky MegaKabuterimon intervened when LadyD was about to strike with a final blow. Let's not forget she took on 2 experienced Ultimates and 3 experienced Champions at the same time without much sweat. In my opinion, LadyD was more of a threat than other Ultimate villains that season, like Myotismon for example, who fought against newly digivolved Ultimates.
@@philhenderson3516 yea , it made no sense since she was struggling against LadyDevimon but had no problem taken out Vamdemon
I find it pretty awesome that Chikao Ohtsuka, Piemon's seiyuu, had his role reprised by his own son Akio Ohtsuka in Digimon Survive, and the roles were pretty indistinguishable!
Your channel is so underrated. I hope you get a ton more subscribers soon, because these analysis videos on Digimon really are something special
Glad you like them!
Really good analysis and critique. You may not know it, but your in depth thoughts on a children's show are a service to humanity.
Your commentary on Piemon actually has helped me make a small analysis, I think what makes him dangerous is his wit and unique abilities. However, in terms of genuine combat abilities, he is fairly inept. That doesn't downplay Andromon or Angemon, however it means that the clown is not meant for direct confrontation. In fact I'd argue that's part of why LadyDevimon was necessary, she is beyond competent in direct conflict.
Interesting take. I'll have to keep that in mind if I revisit this arc.
I agree and disagree. Surely in terms of raw power, Piedmon isn't the strongest. But he's the only one with magical abilities. It's more than just his Witt that makes him dangerous. He's unpredictable. Furthermore, all great villains have body guards. It's not necessarily to protect the antagonist, but rather it's a status symbol. Look at Frieza from DBZ. Frieza had the Ginyu force. Clearly he was vastly stronger than all of them, yet they were considered to be his elite body guards
Furthermore, Lady Devimon was taken down by two ultimate digimon. Piedmon defeated wargreymon (a mega digimon) on his own. Piedmon doesn't need protection. It's merely a status symbol
Sora probably has the absolute worst resolution of every single one of the original children, both within Adventure itself, and then far more egregiously in the sequels, who all screw her over in some way.
Within the context of Digimon adventure, we have what should have been a great story arc, and development... But it was tragically cut short due to two massive factors(three if you consider how short and rushed the dark masters arc was in general).
The first is that either due to writing mistake, or simply due to it having to be cut or abridged due to very real episode limitations, the single most critical part of Sora's development was not given the very hard and real focus it needed to flourish, and end her character arc on a high note.
And that is of course her relationship with her mother, and the very real hatred she had for the flower shop her mother wanted her to inherit. Now this is an incredibly important part of her character, and unfortunately not only was it not given the time it needed to flourish and reach a conclusion, but later writers actually regressed on the route that the original show was building towards, but never quite reached.
Namely that Sora and her mom needed to have a talk, where Sora flat out told her mom just how much she hated that flower shop. How much it made her miserable, how her rejecting it wasn't her just acting out, but the fact that inheriting that thing would make her absolutely miserable.
That is a good, mature character conflict, and given that Sora obviously loves her mom, and wants to make her proud, the reality that in this manner, sora can never be what her mother wants her to be, should have lead to both good character development, as well as some kind of resolution with her mom, as they sit down, talk about it, and then talk about where they go from there.
That should have been Sora's highlight in the human world, and given her the closure she needed to finally grow, spread her wings, and become the young woman she actually WANTED to be.
Unfortunately, we dont get that, and withouth closure, sora is unfortunately never able to grow during the final arc either.
And then of course... There is the way the sequels pretty much just shits on Sora and her sports ambitions in general after this series. I could make a big comment about that all on its own, and where she ended up in life is the single best argument for regarding both the 02 epilogue, as well as her settling down in the latest movie, as non canon, and just pretend the series ended at malomyotismons death, stupid though it is.
Then of course there is the other elephant in the room. Tachi x sora. Now, it does not take a genuis to figure out that mayhaps the one character who's defining virtue was love, might have been involved in a romance of some kind. It further does bot take a genuis to pick up on the fact that out of anyone else, Sora's closest bond with the other kids was Taichi, and thir bond was especially close.
Now with this all in mind, as well as the fact that whatever would happen in Sora's original draft, she would stay at Taichi's side throughout almost all of the final arc, and him sending her away to pick up Yamato was supposed to be a sign of complete trust in her, and maturity on his part.
Now with this in mind, im pretty sure that had the original draft and plans the writer had in mind been allowed to go the way it had, Tachi and Sora would probably have hooked up sometime in this final arc.
This is supported by the fact that until 02, all the material produced was very, very blatant about their relationship and the fact it was heading to a romantic resolution.
Which leads to the question. Why did Sora x Yamato become the actual thing that happened, despite not really having that much of a bond through this series, especially compared to Tachi and Sora?
Well, there are two reasons. And both of them... Are absolutely infuriating.
1. Yamato scored number one on a japanese Character poll, ahead of Tachi(In fact i dont even know how high he scored).
For some insane, bizarre reason, this made one of the head writers(or several, its not clear) decide that pairing her up with Yamato(The more popular character) was the obviously better move.
And that reason also melded with the other, bigger, more decisive, and even more infuriating reason.
2. The writer behind it decided he wanted to pair up Yamato and Sora, not because it made sense, or because he liked their dynamic, but because he thought it would be too boring and standard if the Main male and female leads hooked up, and so he decided to flip it around because he could.
In other words, he wanted to subvert audience expectations, long, long before that became a plague on modern fiction. And just like all those who followed him, he failed to understand that to make subverting expectations a good storytelling tool, you 1. Need to plan it all out in advance. 2. It needs to create a logical, interesting story on it's own. 3. You need to have an actual, deeper you want to tell it like that, rather than, lol, wouldn't it be funny if this DIDN'T happen despite the buildup before this all suggesting it would go a specific way?
Which in turn is why Sora suddenly finds herself such a player in a story that came out of nowhere that is all about yamato, in order to create some deeper sense that there is a bond between the two of them, just so that there would be SOMETHING to build off of for the random out of nowhere relationship they had in 02.
Which means that whatever scraps Sora was supposed to get after her too soon and not enough climax with her mom, was in turn cut short to set up a relationship that the vast, vast majority of fans, east and west, HATE.
And all of that is so, so infuriating, because there was room to do a lot with Sora, in both her personality(Becoming more assertive as a peacemaker as you suggested), her relationahip with her mom that needed a climax, and actually exploring the implications of love, both as a friend, a daughter, a surrogate figure, and as is so appropriate for a story about growing up and coming of age, romantic love.
Alas, it is what it is.
I'm not as familiar with how popular characters became after the show ran its course. I was never a fan of Yamato, but I know my brother was for whatever reasons. I guess I owed it to the aesthetics. The blond spikey hair was something people also like about Cloud from FF7 too, so maybe it was as shallow as "this character looks cool so I like him!" than anything having to do with his character.
Aside from that, your line of thinking follows my own thoughts about a lot of modern entertainment--namely that fanservice has a tendency to alter these fantasy universes in ways that contradict how characters are built.
I did an "In Retrospect" series on Adventure 02 a long time ago and I was recently thinking about revisiting some things.
While there's a lot of doom and gloom with what happened with Sora, I at least take solace in how Mimi became somewhat of a breakout character in later sequels. In fact, she seems to be far more passionate than Taichi at times.
@@whattheegad frankly, one of the big things that i would want out of a remake of Adventure 1, is a sequel where our old leads werent thrown away for a trio of incredibly boring and uninteresting newbies.
And Mimi is one of the reasons why. Mimi in the sequels proved that yes, there was still stories to be told about the old group in a new setting after their first adventure... It just wasnt the one we got.
02. Had a lot of potential, but i'll be blunt. The show shot itself in the foot from day 1 by replacing it's very well developed, and not completely finished growing cast, with 3 newbies.
Also, speaking about 02. There was one point in your videos i kinda disagreed with. I dont know if you've thought about. But Yukio Oikawa and Ken were far and away the best parts of that series, and unfortunately, neither really got to live out their full potential due to various factors.
However your thoughts that the previous chosen children were mere copies is one i cant really say i agree with. And the reason is Yukio Oikawa.
Yukio Oikawa, in my opinion, SHOULD have been one of the original chosen children. He and his friend should have been amongst the original saviors(Maybe the only two who survived) of the digital world, and rather than the tragedy being that they never got to see the digital world, it should instead be Oikawa's desperate wish to see the old world he and his friends loved so much again.
Its such a good flip from what the chosen children we know, and would create such a sharp, decisive contrast.
Oikawa, after saving the digital world, losing every single thing in the process, most of his friends, being separated from his digimon, is left with only one thing in his life. His best friend, and together, they talk of maybe one day returning to that place... Leading to the heartbreaking, but realistic reaction of the grandpa to think he's crazy and separate them... And Oikawa just spirals as an adult, becoming a lonely, computer programer, with only one friend... and then he dies.
And oikawa's last vestige, his bond to life on earth just vanish, leading him to hold up that picture at the sky and cry, begging the new chosen children to take them with him, to once more see that world, the only thing that made him happy...
All while asking his friend of why he had to die and leave him all alone in the world... Of asking what sort of reward this was from the universe, from god, from ANYONE above, for saving the world?
Now wheter one goes with him accepting a deal with a devil in his lowest moment(though i fully agree should NOT have been the old vampire) or just goes insane, its such a good story idea, and a warning to the kids of the fact that just because they're saviors, does not mean they can just sit back and lay on their roses. They will go through tragedy, heartbreak, loneliness. And if they abandon the ideals they are supposed to embody, they might one day end up the same way as Oikawa.
Either way, i genuinely think that previous chosen children would have been worth it despite the confusing continuity problems... IF oikawa had been one of them. What we got instead was... Not that.
I dont know if you plan to cover 02. Like you did adventure, but i would advice you to get far, far more used to give your opinion on how things should have gone.
02. Had good ideas, but it's a story about what could and should have been, rather than what we actually got.
@@biropgrules Best part of Adventure 02 was Ken's story. That lasted up until about halfway into 02 where they did the reversal.
In my video series 10 years ago, I talked about how Ken's reversal was poorly handled because it was almost instantaneous. Far better it would have been to have the second half of 02 see Ken slowly worked down from his Kaiser status into something else entirely.
Instead, the writers did a 180 on him at roughtly the halfway point and the rest of 02 is filler.
Mummymon and Arukenemon were basically Team Rocket, as far as I was concerned.
Episode 13 was awesome and the only episode written by Chiaki J. Konaka for Adventure 02. Dagomon would have been an exceedingly interesting villain, if he had been allowed to have more presence. Maybe he will if the Adventure continuity want to follow up on Himekawa being swallowed up by the Dark Ocean.
BlackWarGreymon would have also been better served if he were written more clearly as a remnant of the hideous acts committed by the Digimon Kaiser. He should have been the edge that would rub on Ken's guilty conscience--the evil that he inflicted on the Digital World and others, still alive, still at work. In a manner, that idea is drawn from the D-Reaper: an entity at odds with humanity even though it was created to protect humanity.
Myotismon is far superior in every way. Not to mention how many forms he took on. No matter how many times the digidestined "think" they "killed" him. He managed to always come back. Rumor has it, he is still seen lurking around playing black jack with eta-mon
I hated that we never saw Mimi and Palmöles getting obliterated by Piedmon.
Thank you for using the original japanese names in this retrospective.
I feel like adventure should have been split into two seasons; season 1 should involve the file island, server continent, and vandemon invasion, and season 2 should focus on the dark master and the nature of of the digital world
I kinda understand what you mean
The dark master section was too short, you had 4 villains (5 if you include Apocalymon) there wasn’t enough episodes to flesh them out apart from Puppetmon who had 5 episodes, everyone else had only 2
I felt like the dark masters should each have gotten 5 episodes and we could have seen the other 6 digimons reach mega
Sora is a good character in 01, I think the shorts are telling that she is appreciation of her mom's profession. Sometimes wild childs have to calm down.
I like your analysis on Mimi and Joe, which is especially poignant considering that their respective voice actor passed away. Mimi was always one of my favourite characters (thanks to Semplar's great performance) and I love her growth over the series. Joe's arc was just as strong, and his dynamic with hid digimon partner was always fun.
Are you gonna do Adventure 02 villains? I hope so.
Actually, Sora’s character makes a lot of sense. Sometimes, kids *do* take things up to rebel against their parents and then see that it’s not so bad to like for example, feminine things.
I used to be a tomboy as a child, and now I like some feminine things. I’m not a carbon copy of my mum, but I’m also not a tomboy anymore. I would have liked if Sora had found a balance between her femininity (she is actually the more feminine character between her and Mimi, being the mother of the group) and tomboyishness.
Mimi was always (by Japanese standards) the more aggressive and unfeminine of the two. Sure, she liked clothes and makeup, but she always spoke her mind and was very blunt, to the point of rudeness sometimes, which is not considered desirable generally in Asian culture, but especially not for women. She did also, as you point out, take the lead in not wanting to fight anymore and stood up to Taichi, which as you once again outlined, is something Sora refused to do.
This is even a subplot for her in Digimon Tri, where she is called out for what other characters interpret as her selfish/rudeness (and they’re not completely wrong), negative traits of her that became even worse after her stint in the US in 02. And she learns that she does need to learn to consider others’ feelings and not just do what she believes is the right thing/what she feels like doing, much like Taichi did in 01.
Sora I think took up the flower shop as a way to feel closer to her mum. When I was a kid, I had zero interest in flowers, but now that I am an adult, I grow flowers indoors. My grandma loves flowers, so I have them around because they remind me of her. I wasn’t pressured into liking them, or into liking fashion like my mum. It’s just something that I took up because I saw that it could also be fun.
It would have been cool if Sora took over her mother’s business, but coached her children’s soccer team on the side or something. It would be a nice synthesis of her personality and her mother’s. I don’t think Sora and Rika are that similar tbh.
I'll probably get into 02 sometime.
@@whattheegad Yee
Finally my favorite Dark Master.
P.S. Don't answer the yt friends comments - it's a hack
Indeed, I usually just delete them outright because they're bots that are set to respond to any and every new upload.
@@whattheegadBTW how long 'till new chapters of fanfiction?
@@pariahstat2683 That's difficult to determine. Back in 2018, when I started these, I had a job that allowed me more leeway to write and narrate and so I was able to post more consistently. I've a different job now, one that doesn't allow devote as much time to these projects. That's just the way it goes.
If you want, Chapter 10 has already been posted on FanFiction.net. I haven't started writing Chapter 11 yet, although I've a good idea how I'm going to lay it out. Other than that, I've got plans to finish the Digimon Adventure series and move onto Tamers next as far as doing my "In Retrospect" stuff is concerned.
Thx rusty 😇💪😎
My pleasure
Its scary how strong piedmon is as a villain
Well Piedmon is more powerful since he’s a wizard-like digimon and thus has vast dark magical abillites and powers unlike his fellow Dark Masters.
So piemons power is the turning people into marketable plushie meme?
Its a little thing but I'm glad you're calling them Chosen Children as opposed to Digidestined. I'm sure most of us started with the dub, but its nothing like the sub.
Would you do an episode review of the new series please
1:00: Your knowledge of Taoism is lacking if you assume the balance is always the middle of light and dark, rather than light clamping dark, until darkness inevitably returns.
Despite retcons, this same philosophy is precisely why Darth Vader defeated Palpatine in original intent of George Lucas, this is what the Jedi expected "the prophecy"
This is precisely the nature of The Avatar according to Korra.
And this is precisely why The DigiDestined were called.
Oh. I'm a Christian. I've an entirely different perspective.
This feels too mature for a kids show lol
So glad to hear someone respectfully mention make comparisons to Jesus Christ in a video
This is nice. Also Holy Shit Sora was given a lousy character development.
She just gets lost in the sauce of the Dark Masters arc. It's like the writers didn't know what to do with her at that point and so she's following Taichi's every whim.
In the Vamdemon Invasion arc, everyone has a meaningful family reunion except for Sora. Hell, even Jō gets to find his brother near the end. Sora just hugs her mother after being saved by her but is never reunited after they defeat Venom Vamdemon.
@@whattheegad That...huh, why did they write Sora like that? It makes it sound like, hmm.
@@johnryu2317 I think the main problem is that Adventure has too many characters to give all of them meaningful resolutions to their character. They were too ambitious with the number of chosen children.
@@johnryu2317 Generously, I would say that allotting that much development to 8 characters and 8 Digimon partners means some corners were cut. Taichi has a tearful reunion with his family. Yamato and Takeru bring their parents together briefly for an awkward reunion before they head out into the Digital World again. Koushiro openly accepts his adoptive parents and hugs them. Jō meets his brother and they talk about his future. We also see Mimi at home with her parents and later at the Tokyo Expo Center. Mimi's father tries to save her and the others by running a golf cart into Dark Tyranomon; it's funny and awkward, but somewhat heartfelt as well.
Sora? She hugs her mother after she is saved, but there isn't any meaningful exchange between them. In fact, most of what we get is Piyomon interacting with Sora's mother which is strange since the two were never even formally introduced. Now, Sora's mother brings Sora's helmet to her which could mean she's saying she accepts the fact that Sora is the way she is. However, later iterations see Sora not following that path and essentially becoming her mother. I'm not sure how or why that happened.
I feel like, as much time and attention was shown to the other children, Sora just got left behind and I'm not sure how that could have been solved other than to make the show longer than it was--adding more episodes or cutting stuff out of other episodes to make room for more scenes.
@@whattheegad Ahhh I keep forgetting the show runners had to deal with 1.5 times 8 main characters, even if one got the short end of the stick, I guess the Drastic change from Adventure to Kizuna gave most of us whiplash with Sora admittingly.
I watched Digimon when it originally came out on English dub tv. I had no idea "tk" had a full name 😆
I always thought that Piemon was fallen angel who after loosing his wings put on the mask. Unlike Devimon, he does not hide from heaven's but openly mocks them. Maybe he was once respected angel, but now he is just sadistic man child.
Could very-well be. A lot of the demonic or demon-man Digimon are like that.
@@whattheegad also I don't think Piemon is creature of chaos. In every situation before his downfall he was in control. Everything went as he had foreseen. But Holyangemon took it away and he got desperated hence little evil army.
I like your critical style
I feel the whole arc was running out the clock...or more aptly trying to fill run time as if there was a limited budget. The fight is 2 episodes but they barely do any actual fighting.
I agree; I wish Episode 52 had spent far less time on the whole chasing the children for dolls. War Greymon is also defeated far too easily in the beginning and humiliatingly so.
@@whattheegad they also hype you up with the wargreymon/metalgarurumon vs piemon fight and right when they get the upper hand it transitions to a chase scene.
I'm surprised you didn't comment on the insert song when angemon evolves.
I didn't think to. Is there something particularly special about the insert song?
@@whattheegad maybe its just me liking the song. Its only played twice...once when they go on the boat to meet devimon. But this time, it seemed like they intended this evolution to be special because usually brave heart plays but instead its the Spanish orchestra.
@@benjaminpeters6729 Interesting; this would also play into my talking about their battle being an echo of the past. Thank you for pointing this out. I should pay more attention to the music.
More reasons to watch Tamers instead (if you can only watch one).
Wow (aside from this comment) no mention on ladydevimon * congratulations *clap clap*
So weird! Why would you do such an extensive analysis of the entire first season of Digimon? While we're in the worst war ourselves now because most don't even get they're in grave danger?
Nani?
Um do you like Pokémon
Played the Red and Blue versions and watched some of the shows. I also read stuff about it on the wikis
Just here to say Joe's arc is done better in Digimon Survive by Shuji.
Honestly piedmon should have been the first pot17 in the mobile digital masters game/ did warfare lol..... And machinedramon be the only pot16 if the 4
Lady Devimon can get it
Why was mimi army necessary. (1)Whenever evil arose in the digital world, the good digimon ran and hide. They rarely fought back against evil.
(2)You suggested that Mimi team should have fought Piedmon in order to save the Keychain digi destined. That would have been a huge flaw. Mimi army of digimon would have been fighting to rescue the chosen children and Not for themselves.
You said the Piedmon fight was disappointing. It wasn't meant to be a direct confrontation. You literally described Piedmon as a being that loves chaos. A being that loves chaos doesn't fight you directly. He or she relishes in your fear your anxiety, your doubt. Wanting a full on fight with Piedmon wouldn't fit his character. Again, as you stated, he is a being of chaos
Matt becoming "evil" wasn't purely for drama. He and Tai had been at odds literally the entirety of the show. You didn't think that would have come to heads at some point! Furthermore, being placed in a stressful situation, watching so many allies die right in front of you, and knowing that literally the entire world rest on your shoulders will bring our negatives or less desirable traits.
The most obvious thing you are overlooking in your analysis is.... THEY ARE CHILDREN. Most adult would fold under this type of pressure.
It was disappointing because it ended far too soon. Mimi's army was unnecessary insofar as Piemon's "army" is a bunch of low-level Digimon who easily be obliterated by a bunch of evolved Perfect-level Digimon anyway. Might have been different if Piemon had a legion of Devidramon at his side, but he didn't.
I understand why Matt was turned. My problem is with "how" it was done not "why" it was done. A lot of it begins or ends due some Digital World magic and not organic storytelling.
Yes, they are children, but their experiences thus far have essentially made them adults. That is the point of writing a Coming-of-Age story. It was the same for the Pevensie children in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. This is a story about children who rapidly become adults over a very short period of time.
The time lapse between the real and Digital World is partial evidence of that. Secondly, is the tale of Urashima Taro, which Mimi references. They are caught in suspended time and while they are aging like children biologically, they are becoming adults experientially.
You made alot of mistakes and misinterpreted or misunderstood some aspects of the arc with your retrospection of this arc.
That's unfortunate. 😢
@@whattheegad some are really good tho, but yeah some parts of some of the analysis on some of the vids are hit or miss.
@@jhnyjoejoe69 you can't say he was wrong. He has an interpretation just like you do. Only the author, which I'm sure you are not, can say if someone analysis is wrong
@@whattheegad I believe your analysis was good. There are things I disagree with, but I'm not the author. Only the author can say if one's analysis is wrong
@@MasterofVirology no dude, someone things are pretty clear, if you interpret them wrong that's on you.
14:58 ugh i really wish you could just say Angewomon. Seriously it’s her name and there’s nothing cringing about it