It could also be a metaphorical thing, but the game over screen does sound pretty sad, so it's not unlikely that you're right It could be one of those things toby does where there's an object, power or entity that's very literally it's own thing in the game's universe but it also makes parallels to other not-so-literal things (for example: determination, a thing that is, in game, just a power that allows kids to go back in time, but it is used as a _major plot moving thingy_ in some specific parts of the story, being paralleled to save states and how players perceive things compared to the characters) This means the titans could both be as real as all the other dark world things but still represent something else, like the video's ideas of them being like "the very concept of a lightner going too deep into fiction and never touching grass again" or "screw adults, man :("
We already know that Gaster is the narrator in a lot of the game, and how the text was written is much in the style of Gaster, and Gaster (probably) has ulterior motives, so we don't know if he's lying or not, I mean, we're dead
@@swiftly_produced2694but gaster doesnt have nearly enough evidence for him to be the narrator of the full game, though the menu pre beating chapter 1, the goner maker segment (until the end) are both pretty much guaranteed to be gaster
One detail I noticed that supports the "Harsh Reality" theory is the Boss Monster-like appearance of the Titans. Even ignoring the obvious similarities between the center Titan and Asgore, the Titans accompanying it bear a striking resemblance to goat skulls: - long arms resemble goat ears - pauldrons resemble horns - thigh gap resembles a nose hole - voids around chest resemble eye sockets The three Titans we see could very easily just be the Dreemurrs.
Oh yeah. Lightners aren’t specified to be defeated, it just says they get lost in an endless night. I can’t really think of a reason why The Titans would spare the Lightners unless they know them personally in the Light World, like they are their parents or something.
The titans don't spare lightners lightners just don't die at first, unlike darkners that take their power from the fountain so when worlds merge during roaring darkeners are at the mercy of titans since titans are formed from the fountain they hijack the will from those fountains hence darkeners turn to stone. While lightners don't draw power from anything really so merging dimensions together doesn't have effect and titans have to use physical force.
Maybe it implies the lightners are capable of defeating them but will be alone without darkners to help which will make defeating the titans really hard. I once heard about a theory that the roaring has already happened in the past and the closet fountain is what's left of the previously lively kingdom. The weird dust piles in the early section of the closet may be the dust of from stone statues that used to be darkners. The black fluid in the walls may suggest Kris was walking on a titan's corpse and the black liquid was essentially its blood. ...Or something like that
* My personal theory is that the Titans represent our SAVE files - note that the image shown in the Roaring has three titans, all with a SAVE star for their face. * I believe, in order to stop the Roaring, we have to destroy our SAVE file in the form of a titan, and set ourselves back to Chapter 1, resetting everything we’ve worked so hard to reach.
Yeah it occurs to me I probably should’ve also mentioned how the middle Titan looks similar to the statue (presumably asriels like grave or memorial???) in waterfall
It’s also possible that Titans are versions of lightners, specifically the dreemurrs. Then Ralsei is a Titan, the runt of the litter. The main three are Asgore, Toriel and Asriel, and Ralsei represents Kris, and that pink horn headband.
In Greek mythology, the Titans were the "Old Gods" of the past, and locked away in Tartarus, the deepest part of the Underworld. Maybe that choice of name indicates that they come from the "deepest" layer of reality - the Depths, the place where the Goner Maker section takes place?
The Titans in Greek Mythology were also th parents of most of the modern gods and goddesses, which could add even more evidence to the Harsh Reality theory.
what if since the Dark Worlds are based on escapism, the Titans are based on figures like parents or guardians that would try and snap you out if the escapism when you go in too deep, like a parent or guardian would
I don't think the "harsh reality" theory is true, because Gerson was an author, historian, and adventurer. He may have even explored dark worlds and created his own novels based upon those adventures. Leaving those stories for his children (like Father Alvin).
Random weird thing I noticed. The eyes on the walls of the ????? area of Chapter one have a slash going through them, top to bottom. Jevil seems to have the same thing going on with his eyes. Although it's hard to tell because of how small his sprite is. Oh also, the eyes in the ???? area seem to be depicted on the titans. I feel like there is something fishy going on here. Anywho, great analysis, keep up the great work!
My personal theory is that Titans are Darkners with so much Determination that they become alive in Light World and can save. Flowey from Undertale is a titan.
I assumed the illustrations were in the context of Berdly making a fountain, with Ralseis fountain in the middle and two techy library fountains either side
0:31 I did see it pointed out that, according to Ralsei, he's never had friends before, or seemingly talked to anyone. He mentions that everything is a first for him when you tell him you're glad Ralsei is Ralsei during the acid tunnel ride. Lots of suspicious behaviors could be him not knowing how to respond to this social situation and doing whatever he can to make the conflict go away, not understanding that this doesn't fix anything, just shoves it under the rug. Edit: Just finished the video, and it was good! The theory that the adults will be the Titans came out of a left field for me and now I think that could be super interesting!
With little to no basis, the idea of the titans embodying the fountain they are born from to an overpowering degree might be very interesting. Chapter 1 could just be. many things, really. Friendship, (Susie and kris + Susie and lancer) family (lancer’s dad, for instance), redemption, (once again both susie and lancer) fate (the prophecy), but you could also easily turn that into *a toxic friendship, an unloving and overbearing family, unjust redemption, being set in your ways because it’s pre-determined* ,for some examples. A titan that almost echoes the Chaos King, then, if you think about it? 0 basis for any of this. It’d just be sick as hell.
“Perhaps the titans are more literally the fountains than just coming from them.” I actually really, really like that idea in isolation - the fountains coming to life and becoming the titans as the darkness seeping from their fountains rip and tear the ground apart and take over the land, towering creatures escaping from it… and defeating a titan would be sealing a fountain, restoring balance a little at a time.
I like the escapism theory. The adventures really seem almost crafted to help the Lightners learn to cope with their problems, have some personal growth and also having a way to escape reality for a bit while not detaching themselves. This would also fit well with chapter 2's normal ending where Noelle and Berdly first want to open up another fountain because they came to like the Dark World so much. That could be a hint that the Roaring might be the result of taking it too far and not just going for a time-out from reality and its problems but abandoning the real world completely.
There's actually another line of dialogue that might connect to the Roaring & it's actually from Deltarune chapter *1.* If you beat Jevil by fighting rather than sparing his post battle dialogue will completely change. Jevil will say this instead "HA HA HA. WHAT FUN!!! YOU'RE FAST, FAST, STRONG, STRONG. BUT THERE ARE YET FASTER, YET STRONGER. THE HAND OF THE KNIGHT IS DRIFTING FORWARD. *SOON THE "QUEEN" RETURNS, AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS...* LIGHTNERS, CAN YOU STOP IT? UEE HEE HEE! EITHER WAY, A MISCHIEF-MISCHIEF, A CHAOS-CHAOS...! LIGHTNERS! FROM INSIDE YOUR LITTLE CELL!! TAKE ME AND DO YOUR STRONGEST---!"
The titans could ironically be the parents of the dark world. If they come from the fountains, what if they are the fountains themselves? As parents, they sacrifice and do anything for their children, being the entire dark world
The adults as titans theory really makes me interested to see more of Asriel. The possibility of him making dark worlds alongside Kris and maybe dess could be neat. And maybe the bunker could be some dark world that the adults accidentally trapped dess in.
The harsh reality one had me thinking that the state of the closet/unused classroom dark world could have been what it was like after Asriel grew up into adulthood, assuming Kris and Asriel were in there a lot. Maybe this could mean a theme of this game is related to either growing up or taking care of your inner child's imagination (neither extinguishing it nor letting it take over), whether literally or metaphorically.
Great to see another video from you so soon! The Titans are a fascinating concept, especially considering we've never seen how Toby handles the sort of doomsday monster trope before! (Excluding Omega Flowey, seeing as he's more a final RPG boss parody more than anything)
"Adults cannot enter the Dark Worlds" made me think about a "or you chose to grow beyond your escapism/fantasy worlds, or you embrace them forever" type of discourse (see: Amphibia and The Owl House as representing those opposed sides) and the possibility of Asriel NOT being in college all this time, but he instead went to a Dark World on the school and became trapped as "Ralsei". Nothing to back this up, I just though it's something interesting to think about and this would explain why Ralsei is more powerful than the other darkners
What if we’re the titans? Like, if Toby’s trying to draw a parallel between play as escapism and something else, than why not our play. Our escapism into these peoples lives. I don’t know, but I feel like there’s something there.
This is actually... Kind of brilliant. While this does go against my personal theories surrounding the dark fountains, it alignes with the in game context excellently, and falls into Toby's style of complex and vague subjects with relatively straightforward conclusions that work on multiple levels of the narrative. While I think the visual of parents literally turning into a titans is a bit goofy, this same concept could definitely be integrated in another way while still working effectively. In the middle of your video, I thought you were going to say that children that decided to stay in the dark fountains rather than return home to their traumas would turn into titans as they aged into adults. This would be good way to integrate the message of dealing with your trauma instead of ignoring it, and may present opportunities to somehow include dess in the narrative. The visual of the titans is very difficult to integrate into the style of the game in general, so I wouldn't include that aspect in theorycrafting in general. (Tbf, we do have omega flowey so anythings possible.) Either way, this video is awesome, and your voice and the visuals work together really well. Great stuff, hope you continue theorycrafting
Maybe the titans could represent the problems that creep up on you when you rely on escapism, with the main goatlike one representing Kris’s family problems.
Here is one theory (sort'of 2, or maybe 3 or 4.... but not really. I think...) that I haven't posted yet. It's actually copied and pasted from a comment I made over on one of MysticSlime's videos. Ok so, we first interact with Gaster in the goner creation survey, where the entire background is tiled with the DEPTHS image. The only other place that has this image is the appearance of the dark-fountains, and in Jevil's "circus"/"prison" for lack of a better term. The DWs are just the DEPTHS but flashing different vibrant colors. Jevil says that the Hell's roar will bubble "from the depths", and if the depths really is where the goner-creation part is located, and it likely would be since Jevil seems to be surrounded too, then we can assume that that because Jevil is some insane thing from the depths that has forbidden knowledge or whatever, that's why he can interfere with the narration somehow. Same applies to Spamton. So it could be that the narrator is an unknown character inside of the depths, which is likely the source of the Dark Fountains' darkness. in other words... the depths holds Gaster(maybe, because I guess we don't actually see him) the character/voice that cuts him off at the end of the vessel creation, Jevil, possibly Seam because of this shop be stitched into space... so.. why couldn't there be other characters that we don't know about? I suggest that the Narrator is either a combination of various characters both known and/or unknown inside the depths, or [that + Kris's mind], due to the fact that characters who are known to be in or know something about the depths can influence the narration from time-to-time. Which solves the 3 entity problem. The only thing inside of Kris is Kris's mind, us the player, but the narration is just something else that's in the void chilling out with Gaster, and Cthulhu, and whatever the heck else is there. The fact that the Night is opening up WDs and Ralsei says that will cover the world in darkness tells me that the Knight's goal is to open up a pathway to if not out right MERGE the world of Deltarune with the DEPTHS for whatever reason. This would also explain why the game checks for names in the light world that are 7 or more letters long and keeps a record of the vessel we made at the start since it's possible that after the roaring, those things might merge from the depths into the main story. Also, if we extend this idea to Undertale... Chara ends the world bro... but like, HOW?? Even Undyne says that we will kill everyone possible. Chara is even confused by why would kill everyone, not so much upset, but confused, until the realization that it made them more POWERFUL. So, perhaps Chara thought that we knew we could just open up dark fountains and end the world any old time. So if our plan was just to kill everyone, why not do it the easy way? welp, to get more Atk, Def and generally speaking "LV". The world we come back to before we sell our soul to Chara to play again, is a black void with a howling wind. A black wind if you will. The depths. Chara seemed to know about this, and is considered to be the narrator at least most if not all of Undertale, which would support the idea that the DEPTHS somehow gives people Narration-super-powers. Or perhaps because Chara becomes more bold saying things like "It's me." instead of "You" it could be said that gaining LV and becoming stronger allowed for more freedom in actions such as narration or landing the final swing on sands without our input. If that's true, then the same should be said for Deltarune, right? Well, as Noelle gets "Stronger..." she hears our commands to her easier. In fact, "Proceed." sounds more formal and clinical like something Gaster would say, even though we're choosing the option to say it. So it's really some other being/character/narrator that decides the options we are allowed to pick from, we're just the one who decides which one, like a multiple choice test. So it is very likely that Gaster IS the narrator for (most) of the game or sharing that roll with Kris, BUT can be overridden by beings who know whatever forbidden knowledge about the DEPTHS to some small degree. And we know so sure that Gaster 100% has meta-fictional powers because of the twitter take-over when Deltarune and SURVEY_PROGRAM were released, and from his Entry-17 being hidden in the unused code. The very fact that the second voice (who may or may not be the vessel) can cut him off means that he isn't the only one that is on his level sort of speak. If anything Gaster might even be the soul that we control... This I actually say because of a song that Toby made called "The Greatest Living Show!". It's lyrics are all in Japanese but I think the visuals speak for themselves. From the video, a girl becomes infatuated with a show that a sort of ring master puts on. He controls women as puppets on a stage for a crowd of fancy rich people wearing fine clothing to watch. and enjoy. Overtime the strings pupating each women becomes too much for them to bear and they break, falling apart. The girl who watched this seems to fall in love with the ring master/host of the show. She meets him, hangs out, and I think there is an allegory for her being willing to do anything for him. After a bit they dance together and she finds stings around her body. Before her very eyes a curtain opens and she realizes they she is now on stage. The ring master speaks "Fly!" and so she flies, "Dance!!" and so she dances, entertaining the crowd of people. The strings tear her apart and her head even falls off while the host continues to dance with just her body. Implying that all he wanted to begin with was her body to use, she herself wasn't important. But the host doesn't seem like he's doing this for himself, but genuinely for the sake of the people in the audience. He is the host. It's his duty to put on a good and entertaining show. In my mind, Kris is the girl, Gaster is the host because he's the one who showed us to deltarune and set everything up, and we the player, aren't... a single person. But the whole audience. I went into more detail in a different comment I made, but I just truly don't have the time to recreate it! Sorry!! :O I might make a video about this in the future just to get it out of my head, but idk. Script making isn't a huge strong suit of mine, so maybe not.. xP ... But also maybe... }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} PS: To Browniefox, I'd also like to mention that Deltarune takes place in the space known as the "menu". You see, Toby fox likes to use metafiction as making playable real world aspects of the game like Saving, Loading, LV, Exp, Resetting, etcetera, have *_In-Universe_* explanations. In other words, because Sans's says "Timelines" referring to us resetting, that made our actions simply a feature of how the world on Undertale works mechanically. In Deltarune... Well, I'm sure you know about all the spooky stuff Gaster says during the Test_Survey program and before we have any save data. Describing copying a save file as "Reflecting", the saved over file is "Subsumed by the reflection" and "Conforming to it's shape" or "It will be destroyed" // "It is as if it was never there at all." // "There is nothing left". Along with the fact that all files read "Kris" until they don't and then become [EMPTY].... Along with the fact that each save file is slightly different from the others... tells me that the MENU is also in In-Universe mechanic. See this video for the direct reference: th-cam.com/video/Wj33L0F_-bI/w-d-xo.html So whatever the menu is supposed to be, whether it's the depths or something else entirely, it allows us to destroy/create/[RESHAPE] whole universes, or at least alternate-time-lines. Since Kris has a save file, whether that's something that all lightners have or all humans, or even just Kris... This tells me that Kris could effect the timeline to some extent like what we did in Undertale. So it's possible that just like how DARKNESS can be shaped and molded into the dark worlds that come from the fountains, the whole world we associate with each save file is kind of like a "Light-Fountain" for lack of a better term. Each save giving that (What-ever-stuff) the shape of each save file. Thus with enough control and skill, and understanding of the in-universe mechanics, you can manipulate these things that create the worlds attached to each save file to get a desired world. One shaped like another save file, or something different by going in and playing as Kris, or do away with it entirely, making it pure and blank. In fact, if we extend this concept a little, that might have been what happened to Castle Town/the ?????? starting area. It's being actively destroyed by some kind of Darkness-Ooz, and then we see Castle Town which has [PURE] darkness that any and all other darkners are compatible with. Like a blank file with nothing left, but another layer deep from the ones we see in the menu. This might even be an (In-Save-File) experience of something that was menu-action-like. Perhaps Ralsie and Castle Town are all that's left of (something) from before we entered the world, since the save names change from Kris to our name once we've entered and saved once. But tbh... idk, I'm just spit balling some random ideas I think about. I hope I'm not rambling on too much! SORRY!! :(
Also the Titians on the side have a similar body to the God of hyper death especially where their legs are a triangle shaped appendage just like the god of hyper death which shows they will won't be too far from the god of hyper death in power which is concerning especially the middle big one.
This is very well made! I'd really like a video talking about the Angel's Heaven, i've seen very few people talking about it. I know it recquires a LOT of speculation but anything that makes sense is good to me
I think the only detail that led me to believe deeply in the adult titan theory is that the fountains are described as a way of escapism, and that relates a lot to the idea of childish playing
With all the object outside the darkworld relating to toys, cards, and games kids would play its hard not to see the Roaring Titans as a Manifestation of "adult-hood" that haunts us all, to rip away what we hold dear and what gives us comfort, the things that makes us happy are threatened to be taken away once "Adult life" sets in, it is but an eventuality, to fight it is pointless, the roaring titans have their way eventually, forever silencing darkworlds that become 'too fun' or to big a 'haven' for lighteners, silencing not only that world but those connected to it. Adult-life is a scary unknown, maybe you'll end up with pieces of your darkworlds, but visiting them like you could becomes impossible the older you become, losing that sense of wonder and excitement to keep experating life, forcing you to become a shell of your former-self due to these realities and having to exist more in the light world as of a necessity more than a want, stopping the things you want to do verses the things you need to do as you become an adult.
What if we are the titans and Deltarune is the dark world? Once all the fountains are open and we play through them, isn't it game over and then we reset?
some other analyses of the game have mentioned that dark world things are sometimes related to water? You could just mash those ideas with this video and BAM: you have the theory that making too many dark fountains will make you sink deeper and deeper into fiction and step further and further away from reality! now that you're drowned in silly creations and fake-ish scenarios, reality will slap you on the face and remind you that there's a world outside you cannot ignore, but you haven't been in there for what feels like such a long time that you just cannot build the courage to wake up, yet you can't go back to the world of fiction anymore, you're too old now and these role playing games just remind you of where you got yourself into. You can't stay but you don't know where to go. You're lost. yes, we're still talking about deltarune and the end of the world, hi :D
I dident know Becky had a twin! I am subed to her, her animatics are Amazing! I'ts a pretty cool that I stumbeld up on your chanel,this video was Intresting!
If Dark Worlds represent escapism, then I agree that it makes sense for the Titans to be "escapism gone wrong". If you get too lost in escapism then you neglect your responsibilities, maybe even fall into outright delusion. It's natural to assume that the Titans end the world with overwhelming violence, given their sheer size, but what if that isn't the case? Maybe the Lightners became "lost in darkness" because the Titans trap them in a never-ending dream or delusion, perhaps out of a warped and misguided attempt to make them happy? It would explain why the Lightners are "lost" instead of being outright destroyed.
I trust Ralsei implicitly. He knows more than he’s letting on and he’s talking to Kris behind our backs, but I’ll take this as a mother knows best type of thing.
I forgot who it was by but there is this Deltarune theory that Ralsei was a lightner and he opened up too many dark fountains and all of his darkner friends were turned to stone thanks to Ralsei accidentally causing a roaring and he then became a darkner, while that’s a theory that I like a lot I don’t mind this theory.
The "??????" area we first enter only in Chapter 1 is on the left side of the closet, proven by the fact that we travel to the right to enter the castle town (the closet) and we travel to the right again to the card kingdom dark world (the unused classroom on the right-hand side of the closet), so I think the ?????? where we can see the "eye" icons appearing on the titan's chest should be the unused classroom on the left-hand side of the closet
the dark worlds kind of remind me of rose quartz's room in steven universe maybe its just cause the food not being filling made me think of the donut thing
I mean it probably does, I would wager more on the side that it has a big and bad effect on the light world, but dark worlds also have leaves and grass.
Also I think Ralsai is a lightner because they can go to other dark worlds without turning to stone helping this theory the prophecy says after the earth draws its last breath it then says three heroes will appear at the edge of the world and Ralsai knows about the roaring so theoretically Ralsai could have started the first roaring if not how do they know or how do they not turn to stone also the eyes on the biggest titan chest at the ?????? Ralsai’s dark world the first area. Also why would Ralsai want to close the fountains so bad and how does Ralsai’s darkworld fountain keep other darkners from turning to stone so titans very much COULD have gone from that fountain. Also that stuff that oozes from the walls at ?????? Might be parts of the titans when it says they cover the land in darkness now this might be stupid but I think they straight up lay down on the dark world covering it in darkness that would explain the dark stuff oozing from the walls also it says they’re so dark you can’t see whats in the walls.
I always thought that ralsei was a titan, though a weak one that witnessed a previous roaring but didn't get destroyed and doesn't want a repeat of that
Hm might just want to see if you can’t make your way to the far side of the ave system, find a new opening. Hopefully it goes okay and you don’t learn a lesson about determination and not giving up and being kind!
Okay I haven’t even finished the video all the way yet, and I just wanna say your art is SO cool. I just love the style. How many times did you have to redraw your character (persona? Icon? Asjkjgsfgh English shitty) to make your…i think it’s called a PNJ? Like PNJtuber? Correct me if I’m wrong, but anyway it looks very hard to do and I just wanted to say it looks great! Also PROPS for being the FIRST theorist I’ve seen to cover this *insanely* important topic, and very well, too! I’ve seen a lot of theorists gloss over ralseis unreliability, but you don’t, and thats impressive objectivity in this field. I’d love to see more content from you in the future! Keep creating, I like your thought process
Haha thanks, altho my som is actually drawn by my sister, @becky_weber, tho I do drawn my backgrounds and the other little doodles that pop up throughout. I believe she drew my sons about 7 times. The ‘default’ base has four expressions tho so like, more images w less redrawing. The design is also fairly simple which I imagine makes drawing new versions not too hard. I’m glad you think i covered the concept well! I feel like it came out a little disorganized, but hey, no better way to learn than to practice!
@@browniefox7218hi! I’m the artist of the sona (everything else is Brownie). Each time they change position I redrew the character! A couple poses have different expressions like Brownie said to try and maximize the use of each drawing. The sona also has a very limited color palette and relatively simple design to keep it a little easier. Tbh I specifically made the character cute and easy for me to draw to make it easy. I made it a design that though was both cute and that I would like to draw
A few things I have to say: if the dark worlds are symbolic of escapism, could the titans just be *symbolic* of adults instead of actually *being* adults? Also, the the eyes in the center of the image of the titans could just be 3 smaller titans. As said in the video, though, we don’t actually know almost anything so this is all just speculation.
Awesome video! I love your little avatar dude! I feel like your character could be a bit to the left so that the footage that pops up can be a bit bigger (+ the empty space on the left is just begging to be filled!!)
one small problem: Ralsei has confirmed that the closet is pure darkness, meaning anyone can live there. and since we meet ralsei in the closet, he must be FROM that dark world, and can belong in any others.
I like the theory since it solves a few questions about other things, but it also is extremely shaky and uses (like many other theories) that since it's the metaphorical sense, it has at least some backing. I like this though. And cute OC. *6/10*
The only thing I really want from the Titans is they keep their featureless appearance. Simply darkness against darkness. How they appear in Ralsei's explanation to the Heroes is how I want them to appear in the (lets be honest, inevitable) fight against them. If they really do end up being the adults, I would accept small design changes (like if Alphys appears as one, maybe make her a massive kaiju-esqe Titan), but ultimately keep them featureless.
5:59 Just my own personal theory on this matter Since darkners cannot exist in dark worlds other than their own UNLESS that dark world is created by a fountain of pure darkness, Ralsei may be able to exist in other dark worlds because the fountain that created him is of pure dark
One thing I've noticed is that the original prophecy seems to imply that the 3 heros will appear *during* the roaring And there actually have been 2 things that could be described as a titan that's already been seen The thrash machine and giga Queen Perhaps ralsei is a bit wrong about what the roaring is
To add on the whole thing about adults not being able to enter the dark world, what would happen if a 17 year old teen stayed in a dark world the night they became an adult? The reason I bring this up is because of dess, what if she got stuck in a dark world as a teen and only managed to get out when becoming an adult? I mean azzys an adult like you said in the video so her returning in the game’s timeframe would make some sense Really neat video btw, the editing and art are nice and you have a cute Oc! ^^
I think it’s less something that happens at a specific age and more when your mindset changes. When you stop considering yourself a child, or when you stop playing games of make believe and pretend. Tbh could be interesting to expand on - maybe Toriel can’t enter but Alphys can? Haha not sure. I think that then Dess would be representative of being unwilling to grow up, although I do like the idea that it’s more like only children can pass through this ‘gate’ and that Dess got to old on the wrong side and can’t get out.
6:00 my idea is that kris is either the titan or knight, he made a dark fountian at the end of chapter 2, i think that at the end of chapter 1, when the screen would go black, he could have gone to the libery and made a fountan... or hes hungry as f___k EDIT : another theory of the titans i have is that they are dark versions of the lightners (susie, kris and ralsei) who are nearly the same, but opposties (also i think it could be funny if titan susie and normal susie just started agruing with each other, seems like a susie thing to do)
I really like this, especially the ralsei being darker than dark theory. Im not a huge fan of the harsh reality theory mainly because. It just feels kind of antithetical to what i think toby fox is trying to do. I personally think undyne and toriel will appear in the dark worlds, i know they as characters are capable of escapism/fantastic thinking based on what was seen of them in undertale. Undyne fucking LOOOVES anime and even if she may not know its fake, its still something she thinks about that is fantastic and not present in her current life. Toriel desperately wants to be a parent and has tried around 7-8 separate times to do so and I'm confident in the years she has spent alone that she's thought about different fun things she'd do with her kids, like baking pies! Thats a form of escapism too
@@browniefox7218 the talk sprites of Susie, Ralsei, Lancer, Noelle, Berdly, Toriel, Catti and Asriel (?) only use the character's first initial. For example Catti's talk sprite is spr_face_c and Susie's is spr_face_s2. But for example sans' is spr_face_sans instead.
I think kris is the roaring knight, there is the slight possibility its ralsei but i think its kris and until there’s confirmation its not then i will continue to believe that, i think that the roaring knights primary goal is to cause the roaring duh, if kris is the roaring knight then there is no reason to make more dark fountains as doing that would destroy the world if his intention is to create a happier life for his friends and family, however there is a second possibility, susies friendship with kris only really kicked off with the discovery of the dark fountain, what if kris is creating more dark worlds to maintain that friendship with susie and others with the disguise that its “just another adventure”
I just found this video, along with your Rotten Egg theory vid, and enjoy your work so much! Happy to subscribe! The art and theory crafting both are so satisfying and fun! I don't know if you will see this, and I realize it is additional effort, but I just wanted to ask if there is any way you could add captions to your videos? I'm disabled and have audio processing disorder, and it takes a ton of energy to follow videos without subtitles as a result, and. sometimes keeps me from watching stuff unless it is there.. :( I also know of other deltarune fans who are Deaf or otherwise need captions who I'm sure would enjoy your theories also! If you could add captions to your videos in future, that would mean a lot to many people like me, and make your videos accessible to a wider audience! :) More people deserve to watch/hear/enjoy your art and thoughts!
Thank you so much! And I’ll work on getting subtitles up - I’ve never done them before so I don’t know how long it’ll take, but I can definitely do that :)
@@browniefox7218 Ahh thank you so so much!! I didn't see this notification before, but I just watched your video on the Judgement Hall and was so happy to be able to use the captions! You did it so smoothly and I deeply appreciate your efforts!! So glad I can enjoy your awesome videos, and I really admire all the effort, creativity, and care you so clearly put into all of this :') Thanks so much again and have a great day!
The game over text when you give up says the land is covered in darkness so the roaring is certainly a real threat.
But as you said, it’s text, someone may be manipulating them
It could also be a metaphorical thing, but the game over screen does sound pretty sad, so it's not unlikely that you're right
It could be one of those things toby does where there's an object, power or entity that's very literally it's own thing in the game's universe but it also makes parallels to other not-so-literal things (for example: determination, a thing that is, in game, just a power that allows kids to go back in time, but it is used as a _major plot moving thingy_ in some specific parts of the story, being paralleled to save states and how players perceive things compared to the characters)
This means the titans could both be as real as all the other dark world things but still represent something else, like the video's ideas of them being like "the very concept of a lightner going too deep into fiction and never touching grass again" or "screw adults, man :("
We already know that Gaster is the narrator in a lot of the game, and how the text was written is much in the style of Gaster, and Gaster (probably) has ulterior motives, so we don't know if he's lying or not, I mean, we're dead
why would he lie if we already gave up?@@swiftly_produced2694
@@swiftly_produced2694but gaster doesnt have nearly enough evidence for him to be the narrator of the full game, though the menu pre beating chapter 1, the goner maker segment (until the end) are both pretty much guaranteed to be gaster
One detail I noticed that supports the "Harsh Reality" theory is the Boss Monster-like appearance of the Titans. Even ignoring the obvious similarities between the center Titan and Asgore, the Titans accompanying it bear a striking resemblance to goat skulls:
- long arms resemble goat ears
- pauldrons resemble horns
- thigh gap resembles a nose hole
- voids around chest resemble eye sockets
The three Titans we see could very easily just be the Dreemurrs.
Or the titans are lightners corrupted by the dark thus being turned into an darkner version of their former self.
@@lourdespachla6516if that is true, might explain Ralsei.
Oh yeah. Lightners aren’t specified to be defeated, it just says they get lost in an endless night. I can’t really think of a reason why The Titans would spare the Lightners unless they know them personally in the Light World, like they are their parents or something.
I just thought that the Lightners didn’t automatically die from the Roaring Occuring
The titans don't spare lightners lightners just don't die at first, unlike darkners that take their power from the fountain so when worlds merge during roaring darkeners are at the mercy of titans since titans are formed from the fountain they hijack the will from those fountains hence darkeners turn to stone.
While lightners don't draw power from anything really so merging dimensions together doesn't have effect and titans have to use physical force.
Maybe it implies the lightners are capable of defeating them but will be alone without darkners to help which will make defeating the titans really hard.
I once heard about a theory that the roaring has already happened in the past and the closet fountain is what's left of the previously lively kingdom. The weird dust piles in the early section of the closet may be the dust of from stone statues that used to be darkners. The black fluid in the walls may suggest Kris was walking on a titan's corpse and the black liquid was essentially its blood. ...Or something like that
* My personal theory is that the Titans represent our SAVE files - note that the image shown in the Roaring has three titans, all with a SAVE star for their face.
* I believe, in order to stop the Roaring, we have to destroy our SAVE file in the form of a titan, and set ourselves back to Chapter 1, resetting everything we’ve worked so hard to reach.
Ooh destroying save files is super interesting! Makes the fact we have three (three titans shown too 👀👀👀) even more interesting and perhaps relevant
Dang guess I gotta let the world suffer maybe if we keep them in Florida nobody will care and just pass it off as classic Florida
If so it would make sense why the first save file was name KRIS when we interacted with it
like a TRUE RESET afet the pacifist route in Undertale
i really like the adults as titans theory
especially because the middle titan resembles asgore how he appears in undertale
Yeah it occurs to me I probably should’ve also mentioned how the middle Titan looks similar to the statue (presumably asriels like grave or memorial???) in waterfall
It’s also possible that Titans are versions of lightners, specifically the dreemurrs. Then Ralsei is a Titan, the runt of the litter. The main three are Asgore, Toriel and Asriel, and Ralsei represents Kris, and that pink horn headband.
In Greek mythology, the Titans were the "Old Gods" of the past, and locked away in Tartarus, the deepest part of the Underworld. Maybe that choice of name indicates that they come from the "deepest" layer of reality - the Depths, the place where the Goner Maker section takes place?
The Titans in Greek Mythology were also th parents of most of the modern gods and goddesses, which could add even more evidence to the Harsh Reality theory.
Especially pressing due to the titans resembling Asgore, and Zeus “killing” his father and casting him into Tartarus.
The implication is that This isn't the _first_ Roaring... And it has happened multiple times before.
I think the idea of the Light World "falling" into the Dark World is pretty cool!
@intersonality Pretty much
The Fountains start to grow uncontrollably and consume the entire planet, turning it all into one TITANIC dark world
@@callhimtim3188 Exactly what Queen originally wanted, make the darkness spread everywhere.
So, yeah makes sense
I like to pretended that they made a fountain to get this footage
what if since the Dark Worlds are based on escapism, the Titans are based on figures like parents or guardians that would try and snap you out if the escapism when you go in too deep, like a parent or guardian would
I don't think the "harsh reality" theory is true, because Gerson was an author, historian, and adventurer.
He may have even explored dark worlds and created his own novels based upon those adventures. Leaving those stories for his children (like Father Alvin).
Random weird thing I noticed. The eyes on the walls of the ????? area of Chapter one have a slash going through them, top to bottom. Jevil seems to have the same thing going on with his eyes. Although it's hard to tell because of how small his sprite is. Oh also, the eyes in the ???? area seem to be depicted on the titans. I feel like there is something fishy going on here. Anywho, great analysis, keep up the great work!
Gaster also has slash on his eyes and Jevil is said to be contacted by that mysterious figure.
Secret bosses are the titans confirmed?!?!?!(gone wild)
My personal theory is that Titans are Darkners with so much Determination that they become alive in Light World and can save. Flowey from Undertale is a titan.
I assumed the illustrations were in the context of Berdly making a fountain, with Ralseis fountain in the middle and two techy library fountains either side
0:31 I did see it pointed out that, according to Ralsei, he's never had friends before, or seemingly talked to anyone. He mentions that everything is a first for him when you tell him you're glad Ralsei is Ralsei during the acid tunnel ride. Lots of suspicious behaviors could be him not knowing how to respond to this social situation and doing whatever he can to make the conflict go away, not understanding that this doesn't fix anything, just shoves it under the rug.
Edit: Just finished the video, and it was good! The theory that the adults will be the Titans came out of a left field for me and now I think that could be super interesting!
With little to no basis, the idea of the titans embodying the fountain they are born from to an overpowering degree might be very interesting.
Chapter 1 could just be. many things, really. Friendship, (Susie and kris + Susie and lancer) family (lancer’s dad, for instance), redemption, (once again both susie and lancer) fate (the prophecy), but you could also easily turn that into *a toxic friendship, an unloving and overbearing family, unjust redemption, being set in your ways because it’s pre-determined* ,for some examples. A titan that almost echoes the Chaos King, then, if you think about it?
0 basis for any of this. It’d just be sick as hell.
“Perhaps the titans are more literally the fountains than just coming from them.”
I actually really, really like that idea in isolation - the fountains coming to life and becoming the titans as the darkness seeping from their fountains rip and tear the ground apart and take over the land, towering creatures escaping from it… and defeating a titan would be sealing a fountain, restoring balance a little at a time.
I like the escapism theory. The adventures really seem almost crafted to help the Lightners learn to cope with their problems, have some personal growth and also having a way to escape reality for a bit while not detaching themselves. This would also fit well with chapter 2's normal ending where Noelle and Berdly first want to open up another fountain because they came to like the Dark World so much. That could be a hint that the Roaring might be the result of taking it too far and not just going for a time-out from reality and its problems but abandoning the real world completely.
There's actually another line of dialogue that might connect to the Roaring & it's actually from Deltarune chapter *1.* If you beat Jevil by fighting rather than sparing his post battle dialogue will completely change. Jevil will say this instead "HA HA HA. WHAT FUN!!! YOU'RE FAST, FAST, STRONG, STRONG. BUT THERE ARE YET FASTER, YET STRONGER. THE HAND OF THE KNIGHT IS DRIFTING FORWARD. *SOON THE "QUEEN" RETURNS, AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS...* LIGHTNERS, CAN YOU STOP IT? UEE HEE HEE! EITHER WAY, A MISCHIEF-MISCHIEF, A CHAOS-CHAOS...! LIGHTNERS! FROM INSIDE YOUR LITTLE CELL!! TAKE ME AND DO YOUR STRONGEST---!"
The titans could ironically be the parents of the dark world. If they come from the fountains, what if they are the fountains themselves? As parents, they sacrifice and do anything for their children, being the entire dark world
The adults as titans theory really makes me interested to see more of Asriel. The possibility of him making dark worlds alongside Kris and maybe dess could be neat. And maybe the bunker could be some dark world that the adults accidentally trapped dess in.
The harsh reality one had me thinking that the state of the closet/unused classroom dark world could have been what it was like after Asriel grew up into adulthood, assuming Kris and Asriel were in there a lot. Maybe this could mean a theme of this game is related to either growing up or taking care of your inner child's imagination (neither extinguishing it nor letting it take over), whether literally or metaphorically.
Great to see another video from you so soon! The Titans are a fascinating concept, especially considering we've never seen how Toby handles the sort of doomsday monster trope before! (Excluding Omega Flowey, seeing as he's more a final RPG boss parody more than anything)
"Adults cannot enter the Dark Worlds" made me think about a "or you chose to grow beyond your escapism/fantasy worlds, or you embrace them forever" type of discourse (see: Amphibia and The Owl House as representing those opposed sides) and the possibility of Asriel NOT being in college all this time, but he instead went to a Dark World on the school and became trapped as "Ralsei". Nothing to back this up, I just though it's something interesting to think about and this would explain why Ralsei is more powerful than the other darkners
What if we’re the titans? Like, if Toby’s trying to draw a parallel between play as escapism and something else, than why not our play. Our escapism into these peoples lives. I don’t know, but I feel like there’s something there.
Players are likely to be "angels"
This is actually... Kind of brilliant. While this does go against my personal theories surrounding the dark fountains, it alignes with the in game context excellently, and falls into Toby's style of complex and vague subjects with relatively straightforward conclusions that work on multiple levels of the narrative. While I think the visual of parents literally turning into a titans is a bit goofy, this same concept could definitely be integrated in another way while still working effectively. In the middle of your video, I thought you were going to say that children that decided to stay in the dark fountains rather than return home to their traumas would turn into titans as they aged into adults. This would be good way to integrate the message of dealing with your trauma instead of ignoring it, and may present opportunities to somehow include dess in the narrative. The visual of the titans is very difficult to integrate into the style of the game in general, so I wouldn't include that aspect in theorycrafting in general. (Tbf, we do have omega flowey so anythings possible.) Either way, this video is awesome, and your voice and the visuals work together really well. Great stuff, hope you continue theorycrafting
Maybe the titans could represent the problems that creep up on you when you rely on escapism, with the main goatlike one representing Kris’s family problems.
Here is one theory (sort'of 2, or maybe 3 or 4.... but not really. I think...) that I haven't posted yet. It's actually copied and pasted from a comment I made over on one of MysticSlime's videos.
Ok so, we first interact with Gaster in the goner creation survey, where the entire background is tiled with the DEPTHS image. The only other place that has this image is the appearance of the dark-fountains, and in Jevil's "circus"/"prison" for lack of a better term. The DWs are just the DEPTHS but flashing different vibrant colors. Jevil says that the Hell's roar will bubble "from the depths", and if the depths really is where the goner-creation part is located, and it likely would be since Jevil seems to be surrounded too, then we can assume that that because Jevil is some insane thing from the depths that has forbidden knowledge or whatever, that's why he can interfere with the narration somehow. Same applies to Spamton. So it could be that the narrator is an unknown character inside of the depths, which is likely the source of the Dark Fountains' darkness. in other words... the depths holds Gaster(maybe, because I guess we don't actually see him) the character/voice that cuts him off at the end of the vessel creation, Jevil, possibly Seam because of this shop be stitched into space... so.. why couldn't there be other characters that we don't know about?
I suggest that the Narrator is either a combination of various characters both known and/or unknown inside the depths, or [that + Kris's mind], due to the fact that characters who are known to be in or know something about the depths can influence the narration from time-to-time. Which solves the 3 entity problem. The only thing inside of Kris is Kris's mind, us the player, but the narration is just something else that's in the void chilling out with Gaster, and Cthulhu, and whatever the heck else is there. The fact that the Night is opening up WDs and Ralsei says that will cover the world in darkness tells me that the Knight's goal is to open up a pathway to if not out right MERGE the world of Deltarune with the DEPTHS for whatever reason. This would also explain why the game checks for names in the light world that are 7 or more letters long and keeps a record of the vessel we made at the start since it's possible that after the roaring, those things might merge from the depths into the main story.
Also, if we extend this idea to Undertale... Chara ends the world bro... but like, HOW?? Even Undyne says that we will kill everyone possible. Chara is even confused by why would kill everyone, not so much upset, but confused, until the realization that it made them more POWERFUL. So, perhaps Chara thought that we knew we could just open up dark fountains and end the world any old time. So if our plan was just to kill everyone, why not do it the easy way? welp, to get more Atk, Def and generally speaking "LV". The world we come back to before we sell our soul to Chara to play again, is a black void with a howling wind. A black wind if you will. The depths. Chara seemed to know about this, and is considered to be the narrator at least most if not all of Undertale, which would support the idea that the DEPTHS somehow gives people Narration-super-powers. Or perhaps because Chara becomes more bold saying things like "It's me." instead of "You" it could be said that gaining LV and becoming stronger allowed for more freedom in actions such as narration or landing the final swing on sands without our input. If that's true, then the same should be said for Deltarune, right? Well, as Noelle gets "Stronger..." she hears our commands to her easier. In fact, "Proceed." sounds more formal and clinical like something Gaster would say, even though we're choosing the option to say it. So it's really some other being/character/narrator that decides the options we are allowed to pick from, we're just the one who decides which one, like a multiple choice test. So it is very likely that Gaster IS the narrator for (most) of the game or sharing that roll with Kris, BUT can be overridden by beings who know whatever forbidden knowledge about the DEPTHS to some small degree.
And we know so sure that Gaster 100% has meta-fictional powers because of the twitter take-over when Deltarune and SURVEY_PROGRAM were released, and from his Entry-17 being hidden in the unused code. The very fact that the second voice (who may or may not be the vessel) can cut him off means that he isn't the only one that is on his level sort of speak. If anything Gaster might even be the soul that we control... This I actually say because of a song that Toby made called "The Greatest Living Show!". It's lyrics are all in Japanese but I think the visuals speak for themselves. From the video, a girl becomes infatuated with a show that a sort of ring master puts on. He controls women as puppets on a stage for a crowd of fancy rich people wearing fine clothing to watch. and enjoy. Overtime the strings pupating each women becomes too much for them to bear and they break, falling apart. The girl who watched this seems to fall in love with the ring master/host of the show. She meets him, hangs out, and I think there is an allegory for her being willing to do anything for him. After a bit they dance together and she finds stings around her body. Before her very eyes a curtain opens and she realizes they she is now on stage. The ring master speaks "Fly!" and so she flies, "Dance!!" and so she dances, entertaining the crowd of people. The strings tear her apart and her head even falls off while the host continues to dance with just her body. Implying that all he wanted to begin with was her body to use, she herself wasn't important. But the host doesn't seem like he's doing this for himself, but genuinely for the sake of the people in the audience. He is the host. It's his duty to put on a good and entertaining show. In my mind, Kris is the girl, Gaster is the host because he's the one who showed us to deltarune and set everything up, and we the player, aren't... a single person. But the whole audience. I went into more detail in a different comment I made, but I just truly don't have the time to recreate it! Sorry!! :O
I might make a video about this in the future just to get it out of my head, but idk. Script making isn't a huge strong suit of mine, so maybe not.. xP ... But also maybe...
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PS: To Browniefox, I'd also like to mention that Deltarune takes place in the space known as the "menu".
You see, Toby fox likes to use metafiction as making playable real world aspects of the game like Saving, Loading, LV, Exp, Resetting, etcetera, have *_In-Universe_* explanations. In other words, because Sans's says "Timelines" referring to us resetting, that made our actions simply a feature of how the world on Undertale works mechanically.
In Deltarune... Well, I'm sure you know about all the spooky stuff Gaster says during the Test_Survey program and before we have any save data. Describing copying a save file as "Reflecting", the saved over file is "Subsumed by the reflection" and "Conforming to it's shape" or "It will be destroyed" // "It is as if it was never there at all." // "There is nothing left". Along with the fact that all files read "Kris" until they don't and then become [EMPTY].... Along with the fact that each save file is slightly different from the others... tells me that the MENU is also in In-Universe mechanic.
See this video for the direct reference: th-cam.com/video/Wj33L0F_-bI/w-d-xo.html
So whatever the menu is supposed to be, whether it's the depths or something else entirely, it allows us to destroy/create/[RESHAPE] whole universes, or at least alternate-time-lines. Since Kris has a save file, whether that's something that all lightners have or all humans, or even just Kris... This tells me that Kris could effect the timeline to some extent like what we did in Undertale. So it's possible that just like how DARKNESS can be shaped and molded into the dark worlds that come from the fountains, the whole world we associate with each save file is kind of like a "Light-Fountain" for lack of a better term. Each save giving that (What-ever-stuff) the shape of each save file. Thus with enough control and skill, and understanding of the in-universe mechanics, you can manipulate these things that create the worlds attached to each save file to get a desired world. One shaped like another save file, or something different by going in and playing as Kris, or do away with it entirely, making it pure and blank.
In fact, if we extend this concept a little, that might have been what happened to Castle Town/the ?????? starting area. It's being actively destroyed by some kind of Darkness-Ooz, and then we see Castle Town which has [PURE] darkness that any and all other darkners are compatible with. Like a blank file with nothing left, but another layer deep from the ones we see in the menu. This might even be an (In-Save-File) experience of something that was menu-action-like. Perhaps Ralsie and Castle Town are all that's left of (something) from before we entered the world, since the save names change from Kris to our name once we've entered and saved once.
But tbh... idk, I'm just spit balling some random ideas I think about. I hope I'm not rambling on too much! SORRY!! :(
The titans could occur when two darkworlds overlap, so they are darkners made of darkworlds.
Also the Titians on the side have a similar body to the God of hyper death especially where their legs are a triangle shaped appendage just like the god of hyper death which shows they will won't be too far from the god of hyper death in power which is concerning especially the middle big one.
The roaring sound kinda like the rumbling from attack of titans you know gigantic creatures enveloping the world on devastation
This is very well made! I'd really like a video talking about the Angel's Heaven, i've seen very few people talking about it. I know it recquires a LOT of speculation but anything that makes sense is good to me
Ooooh!!!!
The two titans on either side of the middle one just remind me of the Norse titans from Age of Mythology.
i want to add something to the roaring throries. ralsei basically just described the ice age
This "Roaring Titans" concept kinda reminds me of the "Rumbling" from the anime "Shingeki no Kyojin" ("Attack On Titan").
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one my favorite ralsei thoeries
I think the only detail that led me to believe deeply in the adult titan theory is that the fountains are described as a way of escapism, and that relates a lot to the idea of childish playing
Also the titans are just average Jacksonville residents
Oh duh of course, can’t believe I missed that
XD
With all the object outside the darkworld relating to toys, cards, and games kids would play its hard not to see the Roaring Titans as a Manifestation of "adult-hood" that haunts us all, to rip away what we hold dear and what gives us comfort, the things that makes us happy are threatened to be taken away once "Adult life" sets in, it is but an eventuality, to fight it is pointless, the roaring titans have their way eventually, forever silencing darkworlds that become 'too fun' or to big a 'haven' for lighteners, silencing not only that world but those connected to it. Adult-life is a scary unknown, maybe you'll end up with pieces of your darkworlds, but visiting them like you could becomes impossible the older you become, losing that sense of wonder and excitement to keep experating life, forcing you to become a shell of your former-self due to these realities and having to exist more in the light world as of a necessity more than a want, stopping the things you want to do verses the things you need to do as you become an adult.
Simple terms, things you don't want to deal with
What if we are the titans and Deltarune is the dark world? Once all the fountains are open and we play through them, isn't it game over and then we reset?
The Toriel and Undyne sprites were so cute fkawajerhejjajafdn dskea
Thanks! I made them myself! I’m retrospect Undyne green is a little too close to Ralsei’s green, but I still think cowboy is great for her :D
some other analyses of the game have mentioned that dark world things are sometimes related to water?
You could just mash those ideas with this video and BAM: you have the theory that making too many dark fountains will make you sink deeper and deeper into fiction and step further and further away from reality! now that you're drowned in silly creations and fake-ish scenarios, reality will slap you on the face and remind you that there's a world outside you cannot ignore, but you haven't been in there for what feels like such a long time that you just cannot build the courage to wake up, yet you can't go back to the world of fiction anymore, you're too old now and these role playing games just remind you of where you got yourself into. You can't stay but you don't know where to go. You're lost.
yes, we're still talking about deltarune and the end of the world, hi :D
I dident know Becky had a twin! I am subed to her, her animatics are Amazing! I'ts a pretty cool that I stumbeld up on your chanel,this video was Intresting!
If Dark Worlds represent escapism, then I agree that it makes sense for the Titans to be "escapism gone wrong". If you get too lost in escapism then you neglect your responsibilities, maybe even fall into outright delusion. It's natural to assume that the Titans end the world with overwhelming violence, given their sheer size, but what if that isn't the case? Maybe the Lightners became "lost in darkness" because the Titans trap them in a never-ending dream or delusion, perhaps out of a warped and misguided attempt to make them happy? It would explain why the Lightners are "lost" instead of being outright destroyed.
I trust Ralsei implicitly. He knows more than he’s letting on and he’s talking to Kris behind our backs, but I’ll take this as a mother knows best type of thing.
Glad i found this channel
A-A Titan!
*XL-TT plays*
I forgot who it was by but there is this Deltarune theory that Ralsei was a lightner and he opened up too many dark fountains and all of his darkner friends were turned to stone thanks to Ralsei accidentally causing a roaring and he then became a darkner, while that’s a theory that I like a lot I don’t mind this theory.
all of these seem perfectly plausible and reasonable. nice video!
I've never clicked on a video so fast! The Titans are where most of my interest mostly lies, so thank you for discussing the topic! Easy sub~
2014 commentary video vibe
the titans coild be something like the anaglams or undertale asriel
The "??????" area we first enter only in Chapter 1 is on the left side of the closet, proven by the fact that we travel to the right to enter the castle town (the closet) and we travel to the right again to the card kingdom dark world (the unused classroom on the right-hand side of the closet), so I think the ?????? where we can see the "eye" icons appearing on the titan's chest should be the unused classroom on the left-hand side of the closet
nice theory bro
the dark worlds kind of remind me of rose quartz's room in steven universe
maybe its just cause the food not being filling made me think of the donut thing
Oh interesting parallel! It shapes into what you might want it to be, or what it thinks you want it to be, but in the end it’s still not real.
Some really fun ideas!!! I adore Ralsei but he is sus as hell.
This was a great script & fantastic art, nice video!
My theory is that the Titans are pieces of terrain animated by darkness because there's too much fountains IRL.
Your theories are always very interesting.
Oh my god "very interesting". I didn't do it on purpose ^^'
These are all great food for thought! Definitely a great upincoming theorist.
It does effect the light word because in THE PROPHECY a image clearly shows leaves and grass when it says the earth cracked with fear or smth.
I mean it probably does, I would wager more on the side that it has a big and bad effect on the light world, but dark worlds also have leaves and grass.
Fair enough. However it says “the earth will crack with fear” and “the earth will draw her final breath”
Also I think Ralsai is a lightner because they can go to other dark worlds without turning to stone helping this theory the prophecy says after the earth draws its last breath it then says three heroes will appear at the edge of the world and Ralsai knows about the roaring so theoretically Ralsai could have started the first roaring if not how do they know or how do they not turn to stone also the eyes on the biggest titan chest at the ?????? Ralsai’s dark world the first area. Also why would Ralsai want to close the fountains so bad and how does Ralsai’s darkworld fountain keep other darkners from turning to stone so titans very much COULD have gone from that fountain. Also that stuff that oozes from the walls at ?????? Might be parts of the titans when it says they cover the land in darkness now this might be stupid but I think they straight up lay down on the dark world covering it in darkness that would explain the dark stuff oozing from the walls also it says they’re so dark you can’t see whats in the walls.
I always thought that ralsei was a titan, though a weak one that witnessed a previous roaring but didn't get destroyed and doesn't want a repeat of that
Guys, please help I’m stuck in the underground. I fell on the carpet of overgrown flowers.
Hm might just want to see if you can’t make your way to the far side of the ave system, find a new opening. Hopefully it goes okay and you don’t learn a lesson about determination and not giving up and being kind!
@@browniefox7218 why am I in the recroom void?💀
That was a wonderful video! It felt very well researched and I really enjoyed it. Loved it through and through, easily earned my subscription ♥
Okay I haven’t even finished the video all the way yet, and I just wanna say your art is SO cool. I just love the style. How many times did you have to redraw your character (persona? Icon? Asjkjgsfgh English shitty) to make your…i think it’s called a PNJ? Like PNJtuber? Correct me if I’m wrong, but anyway it looks very hard to do and I just wanted to say it looks great! Also PROPS for being the FIRST theorist I’ve seen to cover this *insanely* important topic, and very well, too! I’ve seen a lot of theorists gloss over ralseis unreliability, but you don’t, and thats impressive objectivity in this field. I’d love to see more content from you in the future! Keep creating, I like your thought process
Did you meant to say pngtuber? Whats a pnjtuber?
Haha thanks, altho my som is actually drawn by my sister, @becky_weber, tho I do drawn my backgrounds and the other little doodles that pop up throughout. I believe she drew my sons about 7 times. The ‘default’ base has four expressions tho so like, more images w less redrawing. The design is also fairly simple which I imagine makes drawing new versions not too hard.
I’m glad you think i covered the concept well! I feel like it came out a little disorganized, but hey, no better way to learn than to practice!
@@browniefox7218hi! I’m the artist of the sona (everything else is Brownie). Each time they change position I redrew the character! A couple poses have different expressions like Brownie said to try and maximize the use of each drawing. The sona also has a very limited color palette and relatively simple design to keep it a little easier. Tbh I specifically made the character cute and easy for me to draw to make it easy. I made it a design that though was both cute and that I would like to draw
uhhh world ending creatures
This is a very underrated channel
All awesome theories!
Jokes on you in 37 years when chapter 7 comes out I'm gonna come back to prove this video wrong 😮😎😎
A few things I have to say: if the dark worlds are symbolic of escapism, could the titans just be *symbolic* of adults instead of actually *being* adults? Also, the the eyes in the center of the image of the titans could just be 3 smaller titans. As said in the video, though, we don’t actually know almost anything so this is all just speculation.
I feel like Castle Town was the site of the previous Roaring.
Awesome video! I love your little avatar dude! I feel like your character could be a bit to the left so that the footage that pops up can be a bit bigger (+ the empty space on the left is just begging to be filled!!)
i absolutely love your content! I’m new to your channel but have been watching all your vids After this one!
Lore of What are the Titans in Deltarune? Momentum 100
What if the roaring is caused by there not being a lot of dark fountains because ralsie is questionable just a thought
noelle also likes games, specifically finding glitches
We'll know by Chapter 3 by seeing how Toriel and Undyne will be affected by the Dark World
New Dr Essayist?! Love itt
one small problem: Ralsei has confirmed that the closet is pure darkness, meaning anyone can live there. and since we meet ralsei in the closet, he must be FROM that dark world, and can belong in any others.
I like the theory since it solves a few questions about other things, but it also is extremely shaky and uses (like many other theories) that since it's the metaphorical sense, it has at least some backing. I like this though. And cute OC.
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Look under your bed
@@ieatsand9259 Hi
The only thing I really want from the Titans is they keep their featureless appearance. Simply darkness against darkness. How they appear in Ralsei's explanation to the Heroes is how I want them to appear in the (lets be honest, inevitable) fight against them.
If they really do end up being the adults, I would accept small design changes (like if Alphys appears as one, maybe make her a massive kaiju-esqe Titan), but ultimately keep them featureless.
Good art! I love the "%100" true theory! ;)
5:59 Just my own personal theory on this matter
Since darkners cannot exist in dark worlds other than their own UNLESS that dark world is created by a fountain of pure darkness, Ralsei may be able to exist in other dark worlds because the fountain that created him is of pure dark
One thing I've noticed is that the original prophecy seems to imply that the 3 heros will appear *during* the roaring
And there actually have been 2 things that could be described as a titan that's already been seen
The thrash machine and giga Queen
Perhaps ralsei is a bit wrong about what the roaring is
Your videos are so cute and look so clean*!
Random theory I came up with: Ralsie is the knife. The knife that Kris carries around presumably everywhere.
Would make more sense if he’s the horns left in the supply closet or his phone
To add on the whole thing about adults not being able to enter the dark world, what would happen if a 17 year old teen stayed in a dark world the night they became an adult? The reason I bring this up is because of dess, what if she got stuck in a dark world as a teen and only managed to get out when becoming an adult? I mean azzys an adult like you said in the video so her returning in the game’s timeframe would make some sense
Really neat video btw, the editing and art are nice and you have a cute Oc! ^^
I think it’s less something that happens at a specific age and more when your mindset changes. When you stop considering yourself a child, or when you stop playing games of make believe and pretend. Tbh could be interesting to expand on - maybe Toriel can’t enter but Alphys can? Haha not sure. I think that then Dess would be representative of being unwilling to grow up, although I do like the idea that it’s more like only children can pass through this ‘gate’ and that Dess got to old on the wrong side and can’t get out.
@@easternCriminal ohhh that’s a good idea!
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my idea is that kris is either the titan or knight, he made a dark fountian at the end of chapter 2, i think that at the end of chapter 1, when the screen would go black, he could have gone to the libery and made a fountan... or hes hungry as f___k
EDIT : another theory of the titans i have is that they are dark versions of the lightners (susie, kris and ralsei) who are nearly the same, but opposties (also i think it could be funny if titan susie and normal susie just started agruing with each other, seems like a susie thing to do)
I really like this, especially the ralsei being darker than dark theory.
Im not a huge fan of the harsh reality theory mainly because. It just feels kind of antithetical to what i think toby fox is trying to do. I personally think undyne and toriel will appear in the dark worlds, i know they as characters are capable of escapism/fantastic thinking based on what was seen of them in undertale. Undyne fucking LOOOVES anime and even if she may not know its fake, its still something she thinks about that is fantastic and not present in her current life. Toriel desperately wants to be a parent and has tried around 7-8 separate times to do so and I'm confident in the years she has spent alone that she's thought about different fun things she'd do with her kids, like baking pies! Thats a form of escapism too
lets go! more deltarune content we can consume to keep us sane until chapter 3
WHATS THE KNIGHT DOING IN THE THUMBNAIL
Interesting theory, but Toriel will definitely be important as her talk sprite has her first initial
First Initial? Is that some pattern that’s been noticed that I haven’t heard about?
@@browniefox7218 the talk sprites of Susie, Ralsei, Lancer, Noelle, Berdly, Toriel, Catti and Asriel (?) only use the character's first initial. For example Catti's talk sprite is spr_face_c and Susie's is spr_face_s2. But for example sans' is spr_face_sans instead.
@@xstar9567 oh interesting, I didn’t know that!
You have made a very good vidio!!
Plz keep doing stuff ! ! !
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I think kris is the roaring knight, there is the slight possibility its ralsei but i think its kris and until there’s confirmation its not then i will continue to believe that, i think that the roaring knights primary goal is to cause the roaring duh, if kris is the roaring knight then there is no reason to make more dark fountains as doing that would destroy the world if his intention is to create a happier life for his friends and family, however there is a second possibility, susies friendship with kris only really kicked off with the discovery of the dark fountain, what if kris is creating more dark worlds to maintain that friendship with susie and others with the disguise that its “just another adventure”
Bro I see the main antagonist of my channel with a save point on his face on ur thumbmail 💀🔫
Before people start saying it, Ik it's a Titan but still.
Good thory!
That toriel speite is sick lol
I just found this video, along with your Rotten Egg theory vid, and enjoy your work so much! Happy to subscribe! The art and theory crafting both are so satisfying and fun! I don't know if you will see this, and I realize it is additional effort, but I just wanted to ask if there is any way you could add captions to your videos? I'm disabled and have audio processing disorder, and it takes a ton of energy to follow videos without subtitles as a result, and. sometimes keeps me from watching stuff unless it is there.. :( I also know of other deltarune fans who are Deaf or otherwise need captions who I'm sure would enjoy your theories also! If you could add captions to your videos in future, that would mean a lot to many people like me, and make your videos accessible to a wider audience! :) More people deserve to watch/hear/enjoy your art and thoughts!
Thank you so much! And I’ll work on getting subtitles up - I’ve never done them before so I don’t know how long it’ll take, but I can definitely do that :)
@@browniefox7218 Ahh thank you so so much!! I didn't see this notification before, but I just watched your video on the Judgement Hall and was so happy to be able to use the captions! You did it so smoothly and I deeply appreciate your efforts!! So glad I can enjoy your awesome videos, and I really admire all the effort, creativity, and care you so clearly put into all of this :') Thanks so much again and have a great day!
I do then wonder what would happen to Dess if she really was stuck in the Dark World...
What if titans are buildings?