In 1776 the founding fathers were out numbered against the British soldiers 15 to one and the founding fathers defeated them. Don't forget we will have doing the morally correct thing on our side.
Actually the British ceased hostilities because they were sending troops and resources to other rebeling colonies around the world. The redcoats here were not getting any reinforcements. Colonialists had almost twice the casualty numbers as British. 36,000 British Colonists 71,000.
I've heard compelling argument that our founders didn't defeat the British. They cut a deal, and we are still paying for it. What is the truth? How could we the people ever know? The title of this video is inflammatory, and shouldn't be spoken or even thought of.
First off MR Pasqualone Thank you for your service i served 21 yrs in the Navy you know as well as i do they would in a heart beat cause they where brain washed in thinking that we are the enemy and the aoth they took against all enimies foriegn and domestic we became the enimie domestically they will see us as armed militia if we shoot at them they WILL shoot back most of the young folks nowadays are Millinuials and Communist libtards like the Hitler youth! Think about it for a min ok?
I spent a little less than 28 years,until I was diagnosed with full blown colon cancer.and like you I took a oath to protect my country for foreign and domestic,and if it concerned my family and friends then I be fighting my own country from tyranny government and its tyrants that Governs it now.....!!!!!
I have no doubt our military would split in two. At least 50% of the military would be for the people, we would definetly come out on top and still have a standing military.
Wow how screwed are you! You can't defeat the government! They unleash what they have and you don't stand a chance, your dead period! The teams and the toys are so unequal! Not to mention all the sellouts that can be bought by the government! Hahahaha!
Our military is our children, brothers, sons daughters, do you think they would fire on there own? I would be more afraid of an outside force like NATO.
@Scott Jarry The UN is not our friend. I used to believe in NATO. Not convinced now, especially given current leadership in NATO countries. Redcoats? The modern-day face of tyranny is wearing blue UN helmets. They have no place on sovereign US soil.
They will never try. “You can never invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” This is truer today than it has ever been.
The ONLY reason we did not conquer Viet Nam , as in all the conflicts there after , is because politicians would not let our forces fight to win ! Politicians are the root of all evil !
YES,WHY do I say that? Because most citizens are former military!! That's why!! Also, do you really think that active military now will go against veterans???!!! No, I don't think so!!
@@eljuano28 well not really there is still a good percentage that are and how many men could bring themselves to shoot a brother in arms over his right?
Remember there's a hell of a lot of veterans and a hell of a lot of us are special forces with the best weapons we can get and they are good along with the regular citizens and we will train them also most of them already can handle they shelves pretty damn good so you have a 150 million well-armed citizens and veterans and I hope and remember half the military would not fight against us they will join us sooner or later
Coming from a retired MARSOC Sgt. I can tell you, that the electronics equipment that the Marines, Army, Airforce and Navy have in place, allows them to do the job of 500 men and women with 4 people now. So your retired special forces dont mean shit, unless they have physical control of multiple batteries of cruise missiles and Patriate anti ballistic systems, along with Abrams tanks, and global hawks. If given the order by the president, they will follow through.
Bubba Gump roger that..Im thinking the same...Navy vet here...Its not like the days of the revolution..Most of these keyboard warrior would freeze up when the rounds started flying..
Yes we could and here is why. If the U.S military was given orders to go after U.S. citizens most would not follow orders that violate they're oath. So they would either Awol or refuse to follow an unlawful order. Secondly they would not know who the enemy is because we would not wear uniforms as they would. And thirdly we have weapons they do not know about. We even have air support. So that would be making a big mistake on they're side. I was in the Army for 15 years and am a combat veteran. We also have alot more man power then they think we do. If they would decide to do what they will it would not e easy but we would never stop. At some point they would no longer have the will to keep going.
Exactly, when I joined the marines I swore an oath to protect the constitution, not an oath to actively violate the constitution because big bad goverment says so
Bear arms, means what you can carry. Steve crowder covered this. Pepper box 6 cylinder pistol Puckle gun gas powered machine gun Switch barrel rifle (2 shots) The four fathers knew technology would advance. When we advanced from swords and longbows. That’s why it says bear arms and not muskets.
Donnie Nehls: What’s the precedent for this “guarantee?” You must have a letter from God, because I don’t see even an argument, much less justification for such certainty, from American military history. Our troops first do what their told. Now they may later go home and commit suicide, but first they commit the crimes they are told to commit. See? They have just enough spirit to hate themselves, but not enough to say “No!” So, I think you’re living in a fantasy. Look at the paltry number of oath keepers!
@@jaywarrenclark6263 You should never have lain that at the feet of America.....those were crimes committed in the name of America. Just as democrats commit crimes in the name of both repubs and America....as there were many crimes committed in the name of Jesus...
James Crane: Your making a distinction between America, and what is done “in the name of America. But this needs clarification, ie., definitions. And so your comment doesn’t explain at all what it is I have lain at the feet of America. What is it that you think I in fact said, because I don’t see any niche in the armor of what I said. Of course what the government does is done “in our name”, and that doesn’t mean that there aren’t a lot who disagree with those policies/actions! But my point would be that since the 60’s and 70’s there has been hardly a peep about our imperial footprint abroad, for one example only. That makes us complicit as a people in two ways: 1) it’s done in our name, and 2) not a peep! Hell, the Polish had Solidarity, and the Greeks put a million people in the streets! But not us! So, could you clarify please? JWC
Old VietCong saying: " I will fight you and if you kill me,my son will fight you and if he dies,his son will fight you and if he dies,his son's son will fight you and"......
I like the presentation because it brings up at least one good point I've tried to inject into the "modern revolution" and "second civil war" scenario vids circulating on TH-cam that is left out. That is the fact that in Iraq, Vietnam, and Afghanistan, our military operated in either enemy territory or "proxy" land. A lot of commentators often sneer and say " well you'll be bombed", "drones will get you", etc. Take a good look at our military bases; they are very lightly defended, and would take a lot of resources to fortify further, all while the armed citizenry would use relatively low resources to stage attacks on them. A small, moderately skilled team could easily cause chaos at a base like Andrews or Meade. Another thing to consider is that those who choose to operate against the population in a scenario like this _live_ among the people they are trying to suppress. Police officers are our neighbors, so are NG and Federal LE personnel. This would be a new concept in an asymmetric conflict within our borders, and one not to be taken lightly by the aggressors. Being callous with overwhelming firepower would most likely be a no-go. Wrecking foreign infrastructure while our forces have a parallel system of supply, refit, and replenishment set up is far different than bombing critical infrastructure vital to the very operation of any aggressor units. In other words, deny the population a road by bombing it, you do the same to your own forces. Cities would most likely be the site of many small skirmishes, but no massive operations involving overwhelming firepower that can damage the industry needed for military supplies. All while aggressive forces would face IED's and ambushes that would make the eight years we were in Iraq seem like a bar fight. This leads to the next point: there are _many_ veterans and analysts who would be among the citizenry who know the same dirty tricks used against us in recent foreign conflicts. Coupled with their own military/COIN/COTER experience, and assisted by the varied landscape of the continental US (not just open desert dotted with population centers, but large forests swamps, _massive_ cities and sprawling suburbs) would make successful military action against the populace almost impossible. There are many other points (and uncertain variables) I could get in to, and will if asked, but I have the habit of making comments like this seem like a term paper in scope, so I will end with this: I hope and pray that the US government (and more so the states') is restored to common sense regarding our civil rights and liberties. I love my country, and all it stands for, therefore I dread the concept of a rebellion within it.
I understand what the argument is, however as a vet 70% of the Military have a strong commitment to the constitutional rights. The foundation of our military are men and women of sound commitment to the citizens of the United States. I'm confident the swarm of Men and women that swear an Oath would be there when things get tough. Every one of us who took the Oath to defend and protect, has done so with the belief that this Oath is so much greater than the single person because we know this love and commitment is greater than you or I.
The first question you have to answer is why are Americans fighting Americans. If the reason is one group doesn't like who was legitimately elected and wants to overthrow the government, don't count on the Army to be on your side whether it's the right or the left. They swear to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. If the side that wants to fight the government uses the standard policies of asymmetric warfare, you start by terrorizing the populace to prove the government is not in control. Soldiers may not take too kindly to you blowing up a building with their family and friends inside.
"Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party." -Mao Zedong, brutal dictator of China and architect of the murderous "Cultural Revolution", 1949.
Looks like flanking your enemy is the most important get the spread out and surround them get them into a box kill box if you can that's what they would do to you and then use armaments to block you in so that you couldn't shoot your way through them they try to shoot their way through you and that's how that usually works what you want to bring them into an open situation when you can crawl control that Battlefield create viods in the ground so that they can't get around you set them up into the field and bring them into you..
I think people are forgetting the US History Lessons! Because in 1921 the US Military did in fact us US Army Air Corps Bombers to put down a Riot in Greenwood, Oklahoma between 31 May and 1 June 1921. So "yes" it could happen again...
Ask Afghanistan and Vietnam!! When our LE or Military enforce unconstitutional laws, don’t expect citizens to just roll over! Remember that if we had another war here, we have a huge amount of military veterans who can operate any equipment found on military bases
Another consideration: According to this article, a hellfire missile costs about $70,000. While a round of 30-06 costs about $1. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire And that hellfire cost doesn't include the cost of the drone that launches it, the fuel runtime, the cost of the base that drone was launched from, or the cost of the support personnel.
I think we can remember we the people do not have tanks but we have back hoes and loaders and other heavy equipment that can be use to stop tanks in many ways ....
Yes. This was covered in the federalist papers as an explanation for the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. It basically said: the military of any country would be hopelessly outnumbered by the country that said military comes from. Hence, if the citizens of that country are armed, then the military can never be used against its own country. Therefore, the ruling class only rule though voluntary agreement, not through threat of force"
This is why they want the guns!!! A lot of veterans were trained for Vietnam and that scares the hell out of them.
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I think the sheer number of civilians trained or not would overwhelm the military unless they could catch large masses of people in one spot and use mass destruction means to eliminate them. Chances are it will be a guerilla war for the most part so that probably wouldn't happen. Plus more than half of the military would refuse to carry out such orders and probably leave and join the civilians.
Not so sure about LE. They violate our rights and enforce unconstitutional laws on a regular basis. This at all levels of Law Enforcement. They will continue to do so in most cases.
I think the military would have a lot of problem here in this country because it's too vast is too hard to control it all cuz you would end up destroying it with collateral damage even amongst themselves would not be able to do it without involving another military from another foreign country that's why I contend that I think they would use it for military in the UN would be the start of it.....
Well remember this, it take 10 support personnel to support one shooter. Like cooks, support personnel, administration personnel, equipment repair personnel, medical personnel, etc. And I don't think the Army strength would be as strong due to desertions, especially in the special operations services. There are too many who know the land and how to hunt. Hunting army personnel would not be that hard and the personnel who walked away would organize resistance and have first hand knowledge of tactics and the weaknesses of the traitors who stayed in the Army to fight its own citizens. And I believe that when the dust clears, and the citizens are successful, they would hang the traitorous soldiers and politicians who perpetrated such a thing.
One could hope that police and military would join the civilian fighters. But the people need to be ready to accept the idea and be prepared to fight as though they will be alone and facing those they hope would join them
Sources site between 70-80% of military would NOT fire upon, or fight the citizenry. However, as a retired local law enforcement officer, and having worked with federal " law enforcement" , I can GUARANTEE that BATFE , FBI, DEA, and other federal agencies WILL! Absolutely! The only exceptions might be U.S. Marshals, Border patrol, and other like minded cops I also worked with and have the highest regards for. Jmho
There are so many variables in this scenario that it's almost impossible to predict what would happen and which forces would dominate (win) in this situation. I think this would be a protracted engagement by the people versus the UN/US government forces. It all depends on how much collateral damage each side can endure. Certainly both sides would suffer from a lack of close resupply support. Distribution systems for food , fuel, medical care would interrupted or occupied by both factions in some areas. I think, overall, it would be a lose/lose outcome. Neither side would prevail and could possibly open up a weakened US to a hostile foreign invasion. It's just my opinion after all.
It all depends on leadership quality &quantity , and weapons!!! Our military are very well trained and officers are highly trained. I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD BE FOOL HARDY TO EVEN THINK OF A CIVILIAN GROUP TO TAKE ON THE MILITARY WITHOUT PROPER PREPARATION . HOWEVER WITH A BRIEF ORIENTATION THE HOMEGROWN MILITIAS COULD BE PRESSED INTO SERVICE IN THE FIELD.
Forget about the mouse guns (ARs). In this state alone there are 850,000 deer hunters. That means 850,000 large calibur scopped rifles that can engage at 400 yards!!!! There are only 15,000 total police. I doubt very seriously if the military could handle this one state, and there are 49 more of them :) Talk about a fools errand!!!!!
I see John. You boys did a damn good job in Afganistan with all your super weapons :) 2 trillion and 5,000 American lives and 2000 mountain boys with bolt action WW1 rifles put all your asses behind a fence most of the time! Now I heard it took 3 MRAPS and two fire teams just to run to town to get a pack of cigarettes LOL! Tell us about the British Special forces with their version of mouse guns that lost 46 men in one afternoon to those "deer rifles". As I recall they left the country LOL! Tell us about having to drag old M-14s out of storage because your mouse guns were getting you devistated! There is a wall John, in DC with 58,220 names of very good men who got killed trying to fight Kalashnokov battle rifles with mouse guns. Did you get to shoot a BAR while in the corps? Because the equivalent firepower is what your facing. Now are you gonna drop that chemical on women and children, who will authorize that? Did you forget there are over 20 million combat veterans out here? Already tried and trained! How many you got state side? 300 thousand maybe? How many of those are actual combat units? And don't forget those 174 General officers and thousands of other officers Obama purged. They got a bad taste of that anyway. Now let me tell you what a 30.06 or a 7mm will do that your little M16 will not. At 350 yards, the kill shot is either hip, and you won't be fighting, you will lay there and scream for 90 seconds while you bleed out. And your body armor is useless against that tactic. Not thick enough at the hips. There is just not enough of you John. You will be sent to guard infrastructure such as food warehouses and fuel depots. Case in point, remember the Marfoogle leak? Where were they being depolyed? To Texas to protect a missle manufacturer. Right now about 80% of the military will turn on you. That is how many vote republican. These are their moms and dads, sisters and brothers. I think your fooling yourself if you think they will let you wholesale up and kill them. Now those tactics did not work on little ignorant brown people with few weapons. They sure won't work here! And I believe you will find it ain't no fun to go toe to toe with an entire sea of very pissed off white! Hitler wouldn't try it. Yamamoto said "Any army you land in California, will die on the beach! For there is a rifle behind every blade of grass". Now you say you made Captain in the corps. OK, but as volitile as you are I am gonna guess....Affirmative Action :) Did I guess close?
i believe the same was thought about an obscure country called north viet nam. now , the north viet namese lost every stand up battle they fought against the us forces. however, the us was run out in 73.
Here is an honest question, if an active president gave the order would the military do it? I'm sure there are some in the military that would, but for the most part would they all come after us? And to all veterans reading this, excuse me for my ignorance, I don't mean any offense by it but it is truly an honest question because the way it is these days one would not be surprised.
You misinterpreted the 2nd amendment. It states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to secure a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." "THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." is the operative part of the 2nd amendment... The key words being "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". It is an individual's right/duty to defend himself, his family, his home, his state, his country from tyrany, from anyone, including the government, that attempts to take away their rights. You cannot form a Militia with unarmed citizens. The 2nd amendment is THE GUARANTEE for ALL of the rest of the constitution.
Another issue that I would like to bring up has to do with all of the police officers, (and I purposely did not capitalize it), who all took an Oath to “SERVE AND PROTECT” anyone in need, anyone who is incapable of protecting themselves, or to sum it up, EACH AND EVERY CITIZEN OUT THERE...! The Oath does not discriminate, no where does it say only swear to protect the Whites, or only protect the Blacks, or the Rich, or the Poor, or only those that you feel are deserving of your protection... NO WHERE does it discriminate who that protection is for, no where...!!! When I grew up, I’m sure as many of you were taught, the police were are friend, if you ever get into trouble or lost seek out a policeman (nothing gender related intended), ( and it’s so stupid that I have to say that), he will help you and see that you’re returned to your parents... I got to experience this first hand one day... We live in Northern Indiana and my Mom, Aunt, and Grandma all went to the Flower Show in Down town Chicago... It was massive...! There were 1,000’s of people there. I was 4 years old and this would have been in 1966. When we first entered the main building the police had a lost and found table set up. We all walked over to it and my Mom told me that if I got lost to come here and the nice policeman would help me. Long story short... I managed to get away from them and was lost... I started to cry I can remember but then I remembered my Mom telling me about the policeman. So, I started walking around until I found one and I remember tugging on his pant leg and him looking down, then he kneeled down and asked me if I was lost. I told him yes and asked if he would help me... He took me up front, asked me my name and I also told him my Grandmas and my Aunts names. They called over a load speaker that they had a lost little boy, gave my description, and said the names I’d told him. Then they gave me a Vanilla ice cream cone...! That was the best part of the whole day...! They all came running and bawling and of course I said look Grandma, I got an ice cream cone and held it out... Lucky for me they were so happy to see me I managed to not get my butt beat... I have always had a great respect for police officers, in fact I spent some of my military time as a military police person... Then we move forward in time... Now, it seems like I’m hearing more and more about either bad police officers getting busted for infraction and that...! Move forward a few more years and now, not only have the number of dirty police officers getting busted has increased and has become more frequent but now they have begun shooting people when they never had in the past...! When asked why, many claim that they are afraid for their lives because people have begun killing police officers... I can remember a time when the most hard core criminals would not kill an officer, it just wasn’t done...! There has to be a reason that this has started... Maybe it’s because too many people have viewed too many times where police officers slam someone to the ground, when it wasn’t needed. Then handcuff the person, and because something sets one or more of them off, they mace the person several times, and then proceed to kick and beat that person for no reason at all...! Once a suspect is in handcuffs that it, there is no further need to do anything to that person other than do some fact finding, and then either put them into the back of a squad car if they are going to be booked or cut them loose... END OF STORY...!!! The day that we militarized our Police was the day that most of them started to consider themselves above the law and act like the same criminals they are supposed to be catching... Why don’t I capitalize the words police officer any longer...? They no longer hold my respect... I have to tell you that it was a very sad day for me when I came to that realization but how couldn’t you...? Police corruption is rampant everywhere it seems today. I’m not from a big city, we have a population of about 50,000 last year we had two officers who got fired because on the Fourth of July some women came into the main area where they have cameras set up, and these two of my cities finest, I guess forgot that they were in a police station with cameras recording everything and not only allowed but cheered on this extremely drunk women to put on a Strip tease show for them...! Once it all came out these pillars of the community claimed that it was all her fault and that they tried to get her to stop, though the video tape clearly showed them cheering her on and asking for sexual favors... Just last month two more of or finest, one having been elected to serve and protect us, was busted for using excessive force in more than one incident and that our chief of police was directly involved in the death of an inmate and the County Jail...! And this goes on and on, story after story, wrongful shootings, wrongful no-knock police raids in the early morning hours where innocent people are being shot and killed and our law officials think that a Sorry, we made a mistake” is suppose to make up for our dead family members...? THIS HAS GOT TO STOP...,!! I’m a 56 year old Veteran, I’ve never been in trouble with the police, and yet, today I will admit that I live in fear of them... This is wrong on so many levels...! We have seen these same men and women who took an Oath to “SERVE AND PROTECT” and to “ UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION”, think nothing about going door to door and confiscating weapons of law abiding citizens who were afraid for their lives and the lives of their loved ones from rioters and looters during hurricane Katrina...! They are doing it in these States that are implementing unlawful and unconstitutional gun laws which prevent us from being able to protect ourselves and our loved ones...! These police officers took the exact same oath that every other officer has taken but they have chosen to ignore it and to instead, turn against the people who once trusted our children with them... I know that not all officers out there are like this...! Many wear their uniform with pride and honor and they take their oaths as seriously as if they had made them to God himself...! For you officers who have already refused to carry out any unlawful or unconstitutional actions, I thank you and would shake your hand if I could...! I just hope and pray that if the time ever comes that any of you are given an order that you know is not right and should never have been issued, you’ll all stand proud and refuse to act. Believe me, there are enough of us Patriots out here that will stand behind you and your families if the need should ever arise. I apologize for this comment and my last one for being so long but I believe that people need to open their eyes because our World is not what it once was...
Think about it, our military couldn't beat the vietnamese, couldn't beat Afghanistan, the us has 300 million people to go to war with , plus 500 million guns and 70 % of military defecting to fight with the citizens, so who do u think would win???
I know that this is an older post but it is still a good subject for discussion. The success of the civilian population it seems to me would depend much on their preparedness. A civil war or martial law situation would probably not be an event that the government has not already planned for. I am sure that ammunition would become unavailable to the public (slowly perhaps at first and with a significant increase in price as supply dwindles). Also this is a scenario that would likely involve the UN so military troop numbers would increase. The would probably replace civilian police duties with extended authority. Communications would be dissolved, no internet or cellular service. No preparation, no civilian victory. Hard to say what would really happen.
I hope so. After what I witnessed in Katrina, and with the way its going now, I have a very hard time trusting these kids in the military not to 'just follow orders' or even know the difference between lawful vs unawful given by the insanely corrupt who seem to be in charge.
50% of the military would remember their oath and side with the civilian population if not more plus a lot of the civilian population used to be military oh and we outnumber them like a hundred to one
Another thing you could argue is that Russia and/or China would help the U.S. citizens. They could supply weapons and anything else people would need. I think Russia and China would love for the U.S. to be in a civil war for a few years. It would help them to become more powerful on the Global stage.
You do not account for the first confrontations with Police. The Military would only start to fill in the gaps helping the Police until they are deployed and organized.
It would take a mindset that the average citizen is incapable attaining without sever training. Anyone who likes games, can follow orders. But watching your px
The IRA had only 200 guns which kept down 25% of the British Army. The Germans demolished the Russian army until they got to Stalingrad where a resistance group of snipers, half of them women destroyed the German army.
"We the people " means our men and women of the military to . Most will fight with us and those that won't .will die. Not that I want that but if it needs to be .let it be
No! The military has superior firepower (full automatic weapons including grenade launchers) and artillery, and to include chemical weapons lethal and non-lethal. The military can insert troops anywhere to take advantage of terrain. The military would cut off fuel and electricity, and make it impossible to buy firearms and ammo, including bows. The military engineers would setup roadblocks, razorwires, traps, and booby traps to create choke points for herding civilians, like within selected cities. Military snipers would takeout anyone carrying a firearm, and no one would know they were there creating fear among civilians. They would only move at night making it difficult for you to locate them or aim. You cannot hide from their infrared systems, and GPS would probably become scrambled making it inoperable for civilians. But this is just some of their capabilities. I hope this never happens, but this Vet would be on the civilian side.
I know the commander of our local National Guard unit. He has told me several times that he would NOT order his troops to fire on Americans unless they were committing crimes. The Military doesn't want to shoot anybody however when radicals take over a community it may be necessary to do so in order to restore the rule of law.
The real problem is, that since the UN has control of over 50% of American National Forests and actually have UN Troops located in an internment camp in East Yellowstone Park, WY; fully manned, numbers unknown as US citizens have no access, Smokey Mtn Nat'l Park, TN/NC; is another UN camp location, A Camp near Sedona AZ, Norton AFB, CA; Shawnee Nat'l Forest IL, Marion Cty- N of Indianapolis, IN; Kingsbury IN, Land betw the Lakes, KY/TN, Ft Polk LA, Ft. Detrick, MD, Ft. Leonard Wood MI, Malstrom MT, Holloman AFB NM, White Sands Missile Base NM, Minot AFB ND, Will Rogers World Airport OK, Indiantown Gap, PA, Ft. Hood, TX, And that is not even all of the locations, it's just verified locations of UN & other foreign troops currently located in the USA. I don't worry about American troops, it' the foreigners, that have been doing urban warfare training in our country that concern me. And you forget the plan is to jam cell /CB signals and start taking out the biggest threats, the red tags at 4AM, kick in doors and eliminate the threats to them, that worry me. And they'll tart at least a week b/4 they call for Martial Law. After the reds are done, we will be a couple of weeks into martial law and they will round up the next level of threats to them the blue tags. Call me conspiracy theorist. What the hell are we to do in that case???
Let's see. There are 300 million weapons in the hands of American citizens and 324 million citizens. Of them 20 million are combat veterans. The military I believe would not want to kill another soldiers family. The military will split. We the people would defeat the bastards. States like GA who have their own Department of Defence and there own military would take control of the forts and airfields in the state to arm its citizens with heavy weapons from the forts arenals. Army forts alone in GA are: Fort Benning Army Base in Columbus, GA. ... Fort Gillem Army Base in Forest Park, GA. ... Fort Gordon Army Base in Augusta, GA. ... Fort Mcpherson Army Base in East Point, GA. ... Fort Stewart Army Base in Liberty, GA. ... Hunter Army Airfield Army Base in Savannah, GA. ... Camp Frank D Merrill Army Base in Dahlonega, GA. The people would establish the roots of Liberty and Freedom in America once more.
1st A good portion of the Military, isn't on US soil, no where near. 2nd another good portion would rather die than fight their own countrymen. 3rd There are more citizens in the US than out fighting. So yeah I'd say the people have a good chance. The government would be too scared to cause harm to their own soil, so extreme explosives and such are out of question for them.
I think we would deal with them just like the Vietnamese did when they had to deal with the American aggression coming into their country so they saw it that way and they thought just because they were just a little squatty men didn't know how to fight back well they found out real quick it didn't go like that they had to resort to a lot of technology to fight back to an enemy that didn't need to be fought to start with...
Standing armies do horrible against guerrilla warfare. 1 poll had Americans at about 30 million would fight the government. We have 300 million firearms. About 25 percent of the military would defect. Some would refuse but a lot would follow orders. Really the war would be fought against police forces who have no respect for the citizenry or the constitution. They already have an us against them attitude. Not to mention all the veterans that would join the citizenry.
Many in my family wrte and are military men. Every last one would fight to protect our rights and constitutional rights. I am not worried. If the majority of the military feels as they do, we need not worry.
Just remember my friends... It’s a totally different ballgame out there today than when we ere growing up... We were all taught Morals, to help those who are unable to help themselves, Kindness, to Work to get ahead and many other positive things that a whole generation out there is lacking...! This same generation and the ones following it have been dumbed down by our government controlled schools. They are being taught to not believe in God, the Greatness or Country once held, or to have Pride in our Country...! They are constantly being bombarded with messages at school and all over the media to not listen to their parents and most of them don’t and we allow it because our children have been taught that if you don’t give them everything they want they can go and cry some made up story and Child Protective Services will come in and punish the parents...! We have allowed the government and its agencies to raise our children and turn them against us...! These are the same children who believe that it’s alright to take a weapon to school and shoot the place up, killing anyone who gets in the way because someone was picking on them...!!! These are the same children who’s father is a police officer and took the fathers gun and shot him while he slept because he had refused to buy his son a video game system when the child had demanded that he do so...!!! It’s these same children who will be filling the new vacancies in our military as the need arises... Have any of you stopped to think about what the possible consequences could be...? Personally, I don’t want to be handing over a weapon of any sort to these Brainwashed kids...! I honestly believe that they wouldn’t think twice about pointing the barrel at you or I and pulling the trigger with a sick, twisted smiles on their faces...
I don't think there's any group in the US organized enough, nor do they have the equipment to defeat the US military. I mean your average citizen doesn't just have nukes and shit laying around. You may have a couple that have a workable rocket launcher but I highly doubt there's enough trained citizens to take out the military. I can't own a gun because of a felony 12 years ago (nonviolent) but I definitely support the 2A. I'm at least comfortable knowing that there's some good citizens around me that have them so I at least have a somewhat safe place to go if things ever get crazy.
In 1776 the founding fathers were out numbered against the British soldiers 15 to one and the founding fathers defeated them. Don't forget we will have doing the morally correct thing on our side.
Actually the British ceased hostilities because they were sending troops and resources to other rebeling colonies around the world. The redcoats here were not getting any reinforcements.
Colonialists had almost twice the casualty numbers as British. 36,000 British
Colonists 71,000.
The us citizens are the military.
Colt45 another one trying to rewrite history
I've heard compelling argument that our founders didn't defeat the British. They cut a deal, and we are still paying for it. What is the truth? How could we the people ever know? The title of this video is inflammatory, and shouldn't be spoken or even thought of.
@James Miller finally an intelligent person here lol
I spent three years of my youth, defending this nation. I find it hard t believe my brothers ans sisters in arms, would fire upon citizens,
First off MR Pasqualone Thank you for your service i served 21 yrs in the Navy you know as well as i do they would in a heart beat cause they where brain washed in thinking that we are the enemy and the aoth they took against all enimies foriegn and domestic we became the enimie domestically they will see us as armed militia if we shoot at them they WILL shoot back most of the young folks nowadays are Millinuials and Communist libtards like the Hitler youth! Think about it for a min ok?
And I think you'd be right as rain!! A lot of hyperbole in the paranoia.
@Sally Hillal he served Sally
I spent a little less than 28 years,until I was diagnosed with full blown colon cancer.and like you I took a oath to protect my country for foreign and domestic,and if it concerned my family and friends then I be fighting my own country from tyranny government and its tyrants that Governs it now.....!!!!!
People said the same before the civil war
I have no doubt our military would split in two. At least 50% of the military would be for the people, we would definetly come out on top and still have a standing military.
Wow how screwed are you! You can't defeat the government! They unleash what they have and you don't stand a chance, your dead period! The teams and the toys are so unequal! Not to mention all the sellouts that can be bought by the government! Hahahaha!
Our military is our children, brothers, sons daughters, do you think they would fire on there own? I would be more afraid of an outside force like NATO.
@Scott Jarry The UN is not our friend. I used to believe in NATO. Not convinced now, especially given current leadership in NATO countries.
Redcoats? The modern-day face of tyranny is wearing blue UN helmets. They have no place on sovereign US soil.
They will never try. “You can never invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” This is truer today than it has ever been.
If they don't follow orders, then they are terminated
Are you familiar with what happened during the Civil war?
@@walterbmoore3593 meanwhile the us gives ton of money to nato, United Nations. It’s terrible
The French tried to quell Vietnam for nearly 100 years before we got there...with similar results...
The ONLY reason we did not conquer Viet Nam , as in all the conflicts there after , is because politicians would not let our forces fight to win ! Politicians are the root of all evil !
@@wh8085 right you are
YES,WHY do I say that? Because most citizens are former military!! That's why!! Also, do you really think that active military now will go against veterans???!!! No, I don't think so!!
Most citizens are NOT Veterans. We make up only a very small percentage of the population. I'm sorry but you're assertion is incorrect.
Don't forget the army brats that have been trained by there parents
@@eljuano28 well not really there is still a good percentage that are and how many men could bring themselves to shoot a brother in arms over his right?
Like the movie the Patriot take out the leaders first and the regular soldiers would do what's right
Remember there's a hell of a lot of veterans and a hell of a lot of us are special forces with the best weapons we can get and they are good along with the regular citizens and we will train them also most of them already can handle they shelves pretty damn good so you have a 150 million well-armed citizens and veterans and I hope and remember half the military would not fight against us they will join us sooner or later
Men bro
Coming from a retired MARSOC Sgt. I can tell you, that the electronics equipment that the Marines, Army, Airforce and Navy have in place, allows them to do the job of 500 men and women with 4 people now. So your retired special forces dont mean shit, unless they have physical control of multiple batteries of cruise missiles and Patriate anti ballistic systems, along with Abrams tanks, and global hawks. If given the order by the president, they will follow through.
And as to advanced military hardware, once a shooting war starts there will be plenty of hardware left lying about.
To do what exactly against predator drones?
Bubba Gump roger that..Im thinking the same...Navy vet here...Its not like the days of the revolution..Most of these keyboard warrior would freeze up when the rounds started flying..
Yes we could and here is why. If the U.S military was given orders to go after U.S. citizens most would not follow orders that violate they're oath. So they would either Awol or refuse to follow an unlawful order. Secondly they would not know who the enemy is because we would not wear uniforms as they would. And thirdly we have weapons they do not know about. We even have air support. So that would be making a big mistake on they're side. I was in the Army for 15 years and am a combat veteran. We also have alot more man power then they think we do. If they would decide to do what they will it would not e easy but we would never stop. At some point they would no longer have the will to keep going.
Exactly, when I joined the marines I swore an oath to protect the constitution, not an oath to actively violate the constitution because big bad goverment says so
They would use contactors mercs from other countrys or U.N. troops who are already hear.
@Uganda Knuckles they have air support. We have air support
It wouldn’t just be the military. It would also be law enforcement.
Bear arms, means what you can carry.
Steve crowder covered this.
Pepper box 6 cylinder pistol
Puckle gun gas powered machine gun
Switch barrel rifle (2 shots)
The four fathers knew technology would advance.
When we advanced from swords and longbows.
That’s why it says bear arms and not muskets.
I garuntee the military would be on our side. At least a large majority of them.
Donnie Nehls:
What’s the precedent for this “guarantee?”
You must have a letter from God, because I don’t see even an argument, much less justification for such certainty, from American military history.
Our troops first do what their told. Now they may later go home and commit suicide, but first they commit the crimes they are told to commit. See?
They have just enough spirit to hate themselves, but not enough to say “No!”
So, I think you’re living in a fantasy. Look at the paltry number of oath keepers!
Idk how many would actually flee the army to fight for the rebels though.... I think too many of them would do what theyre told
@@jaywarrenclark6263 You should never have lain that at the feet of America.....those were crimes committed in the name of America. Just as democrats commit crimes in the name of both repubs and America....as there were many crimes committed in the name of Jesus...
James Crane:
Your making a distinction between America, and what is done “in the name of America. But this needs clarification, ie., definitions. And so your comment doesn’t explain at all what it is I have lain at the feet of America.
What is it that you think I in fact said, because I don’t see any niche in the armor of what I said.
Of course what the government does is done “in our name”, and that doesn’t mean that there aren’t a lot who disagree with those policies/actions!
But my point would be that since the 60’s and 70’s there has been hardly a peep about our imperial footprint abroad, for one example only. That makes us complicit as a people in two ways: 1) it’s done in our name, and 2) not a peep!
Hell, the Polish had Solidarity, and the Greeks put a million people in the streets!
But not us!
So, could you clarify please? JWC
The correct militaries estimate is 97.3% ...
Milatery. Is the us citizens. Government here forgot this
100 million gun owners and two trillion rounds of ammo...yeah, we patriots got this!
Old VietCong saying: " I will fight you and if you kill me,my son will fight you and if he dies,his son will fight you and if he dies,his son's son will fight you and"......
I like the presentation because it brings up at least one good point I've tried to inject into the "modern revolution" and "second civil war" scenario vids circulating on TH-cam that is left out. That is the fact that in Iraq, Vietnam, and Afghanistan, our military operated in either enemy territory or "proxy" land. A lot of commentators often sneer and say " well you'll be bombed", "drones will get you", etc. Take a good look at our military bases; they are very lightly defended, and would take a lot of resources to fortify further, all while the armed citizenry would use relatively low resources to stage attacks on them. A small, moderately skilled team could easily cause chaos at a base like Andrews or Meade.
Another thing to consider is that those who choose to operate against the population in a scenario like this _live_ among the people they are trying to suppress. Police officers are our neighbors, so are NG and Federal LE personnel. This would be a new concept in an asymmetric conflict within our borders, and one not to be taken lightly by the aggressors.
Being callous with overwhelming firepower would most likely be a no-go. Wrecking foreign infrastructure while our forces have a parallel system of supply, refit, and replenishment set up is far different than bombing critical infrastructure vital to the very operation of any aggressor units. In other words, deny the population a road by bombing it, you do the same to your own forces. Cities would most likely be the site of many small skirmishes, but no massive operations involving overwhelming firepower that can damage the industry needed for military supplies. All while aggressive forces would face IED's and ambushes that would make the eight years we were in Iraq seem like a bar fight.
This leads to the next point: there are _many_ veterans and analysts who would be among the citizenry who know the same dirty tricks used against us in recent foreign conflicts. Coupled with their own military/COIN/COTER experience, and assisted by the varied landscape of the continental US (not just open desert dotted with population centers, but large forests swamps, _massive_ cities and sprawling suburbs) would make successful military action against the populace almost impossible.
There are many other points (and uncertain variables) I could get in to, and will if asked, but I have the habit of making comments like this seem like a term paper in scope, so I will end with this: I hope and pray that the US government (and more so the states') is restored to common sense regarding our civil rights and liberties. I love my country, and all it stands for, therefore I dread the concept of a rebellion within it.
I liked the term paper...and would love to hear more from you.
if not win, Patriots could make life ,un bearable....& commerce impossible...
EMP Would Give Citizen's A Fighting CHANCE, Considering Most Their Shit Is Electronic, Most Their Shit Would Be Useless!!
I understand what the argument is, however as a vet 70% of the Military have a strong commitment to the constitutional rights. The foundation of our military are men and women of sound commitment to the citizens of the United States. I'm confident the swarm of Men and women that swear an Oath would be there when things get tough. Every one of us who took the Oath to defend and protect, has done so with the belief that this Oath is so much greater than the single person because we know this love and commitment is greater than you or I.
We Will one day Find out America.. ? Remember, TOGETHER WE ARE STRONG.. Divided we are Weak.. The Choice Is Yours.. 👍🇺🇸
Good analysis. We will see
get our politicians and bad cop first
Citizens and troops will stand together not apart
The first question you have to answer is why are Americans fighting Americans. If the reason is one group doesn't like who was legitimately elected and wants to overthrow the government, don't count on the Army to be on your side whether it's the right or the left. They swear to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. If the side that wants to fight the government uses the standard policies of asymmetric warfare, you start by terrorizing the populace to prove the government is not in control. Soldiers may not take too kindly to you blowing up a building with their family and friends inside.
"Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party." -Mao Zedong, brutal dictator of China and architect of the murderous "Cultural Revolution", 1949.
You do realize free masonry is based on lucifer worship right? Jesus is the one true God
Looks like flanking your enemy is the most important get the spread out and surround them get them into a box kill box if you can that's what they would do to you and then use armaments to block you in so that you couldn't shoot your way through them they try to shoot their way through you and that's how that usually works what you want to bring them into an open situation when you can crawl control that Battlefield create viods in the ground so that they can't get around you set them up into the field and bring them into you..
As many others have said, many of us are former military. Not just former military, but combat veterans that have been in combat. Molon Labe. III%TX
This sounds like a government run poll to see what public opinions are lol.
I think people are forgetting the US History Lessons! Because in 1921 the US Military did in fact us US Army Air Corps Bombers to put down a Riot in Greenwood, Oklahoma between 31 May and 1 June 1921. So "yes" it could happen again...
If it came right down to it, over 360 million of us versus those of our military stupid enough to fight, we would blast them into the stone age.
Ask Afghanistan and Vietnam!! When our LE or Military enforce unconstitutional laws, don’t expect citizens to just roll over! Remember that if we had another war here, we have a huge amount of military veterans who can operate any equipment found on military bases
Another consideration: According to this article, a hellfire missile costs about $70,000. While a round of 30-06 costs about $1.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire
And that hellfire cost doesn't include the cost of the drone that launches it, the fuel runtime, the cost of the base that drone was launched from, or the cost of the support personnel.
Remember the US Army unit commanded by General Patton, Crush a WWI vet protest in Washington DC in the 30's.
Gun owners who died from red flag laws picked up where the guys on Lexington Green left off.
I think we can remember we the people do not have tanks but we have back hoes and loaders and other heavy equipment that can be use to stop tanks in many ways ....
You can be trained to use any weapon but they can't train you to kill
Yes. This was covered in the federalist papers as an explanation for the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. It basically said: the military of any country would be hopelessly outnumbered by the country that said military comes from. Hence, if the citizens of that country are armed, then the military can never be used against its own country. Therefore, the ruling class only rule though voluntary agreement, not through threat of force"
We might win, but it would not be easy at all.
This is why they want the guns!!! A lot of veterans were trained for Vietnam and that scares the hell out of them.
I think the sheer number of civilians trained or not would overwhelm the military unless they could catch large masses of people in one spot and use mass destruction means to eliminate them. Chances are it will be a guerilla war for the most part so that probably wouldn't happen. Plus more than half of the military would refuse to carry out such orders and probably leave and join the civilians.
DO NOT PUT COPS AND MILITARY IN THIS CONVERSATION. WE WILL NOT BE THERE. WE TOOK AN OATH.
Is that the same oath that Jesse baby boy took .
John Mann Capt USMC ret
That's what this whole conversation is about. Fucking cops and members of the military that forgot what their oath means
YEA YOU DID and your also a pack of lieing devils,YOU'VE NEVER honored that oath...
Not so sure about LE. They violate our rights and enforce unconstitutional laws on a regular basis. This at all levels of Law Enforcement. They will continue to do so in most cases.
Honestly, it would depend on what the military would use. The fight would have to be urban for us to have a chance.
I think the military would have a lot of problem here in this country because it's too vast is too hard to control it all cuz you would end up destroying it with collateral damage even amongst themselves would not be able to do it without involving another military from another foreign country that's why I contend that I think they would use it for military in the UN would be the start of it.....
Well remember this, it take 10 support personnel to support one shooter. Like cooks, support personnel, administration personnel, equipment repair personnel, medical personnel, etc.
And I don't think the Army strength would be as strong due to desertions, especially in the special operations services.
There are too many who know the land and how to hunt. Hunting army personnel would not be that hard and the personnel who walked away would organize resistance and have first hand knowledge of tactics and the weaknesses of the traitors who stayed in the Army to fight its own citizens.
And I believe that when the dust clears, and the citizens are successful, they would hang the traitorous soldiers and politicians who perpetrated such a thing.
One could hope that police and military would join the civilian fighters. But the people need to be ready to accept the idea and be prepared to fight as though they will be alone and facing those they hope would join them
Sources site between 70-80% of military would NOT fire upon, or fight the citizenry. However, as a retired local law enforcement officer, and having worked with federal " law enforcement" , I can GUARANTEE that BATFE , FBI, DEA, and other federal agencies WILL! Absolutely! The only exceptions might be U.S. Marshals, Border patrol, and other like minded cops I also worked with and have the highest regards for. Jmho
There are so many variables in this scenario that it's almost impossible to predict what would happen and which forces would dominate (win) in this situation. I think this would be a protracted engagement by the people versus the UN/US government forces. It all depends on how much collateral damage each side can endure. Certainly both sides would suffer from a lack of close resupply support. Distribution systems for food , fuel, medical care would interrupted or occupied by both factions in some areas. I think, overall, it would be a lose/lose outcome. Neither side would prevail and could possibly open up a weakened US to a hostile foreign invasion. It's just my opinion after all.
The 2nd amendment is to defend against enemies DOMESTIC, foreign and abroad. Don’t forget the domestic. That is very important.
It all depends on leadership quality &quantity , and weapons!!! Our military are very well trained and officers are highly trained. I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD BE FOOL HARDY TO EVEN THINK OF A CIVILIAN GROUP TO TAKE ON THE MILITARY WITHOUT PROPER PREPARATION . HOWEVER WITH A BRIEF ORIENTATION THE HOMEGROWN MILITIAS COULD BE PRESSED INTO SERVICE IN THE FIELD.
Forget about the mouse guns (ARs). In this state alone there are 850,000 deer hunters. That means 850,000 large calibur scopped rifles that can engage at 400 yards!!!! There are only 15,000 total police. I doubt very seriously if the military could handle this one state, and there are 49 more of them :) Talk about a fools errand!!!!!
I see John. You boys did a damn good job in Afganistan with all your super weapons :) 2 trillion and 5,000 American lives and 2000 mountain boys with bolt action WW1 rifles put all your asses behind a fence most of the time! Now I heard it took 3 MRAPS and two fire teams just to run to town to get a pack of cigarettes LOL! Tell us about the British Special forces with their version of mouse guns that lost 46 men in one afternoon to those "deer rifles". As I recall they left the country LOL! Tell us about having to drag old M-14s out of storage because your mouse guns were getting you devistated! There is a wall John, in DC with 58,220 names of very good men who got killed trying to fight Kalashnokov battle rifles with mouse guns. Did you get to shoot a BAR while in the corps? Because the equivalent firepower is what your facing.
Now are you gonna drop that chemical on women and children, who will authorize that? Did you forget there are over 20 million combat veterans out here? Already tried and trained! How many you got state side? 300 thousand maybe? How many of those are actual combat units? And don't forget those 174 General officers and thousands of other officers Obama purged. They got a bad taste of that anyway. Now let me tell you what a 30.06 or a 7mm will do that your little M16 will not. At 350 yards, the kill shot is either hip, and you won't be fighting, you will lay there and scream for 90 seconds while you bleed out. And your body armor is useless against that tactic. Not thick enough at the hips.
There is just not enough of you John. You will be sent to guard infrastructure such as food warehouses and fuel depots. Case in point, remember the Marfoogle leak? Where were they being depolyed? To Texas to protect a missle manufacturer. Right now about 80% of the military will turn on you. That is how many vote republican. These are their moms and dads, sisters and brothers. I think your fooling yourself if you think they will let you wholesale up and kill them. Now those tactics did not work on little ignorant brown people with few weapons. They sure won't work here! And I believe you will find it ain't no fun to go toe to toe with an entire sea of very pissed off white! Hitler wouldn't try it. Yamamoto said "Any army you land in California, will die on the beach! For there is a rifle behind every blade of grass". Now you say you made Captain in the corps. OK, but as volitile as you are I am gonna guess....Affirmative Action :) Did I guess close?
i believe the same was thought about an obscure country called north viet nam. now , the north viet namese lost every stand up battle they fought against the us forces. however, the us was run out in 73.
Our young no longer learn about or constitutional rights there being dumbed down so ya the ones signing up now I think would
They may not know the documents of - but to kill there family and friends, not going to happen by most.
We lost Vietnam because of the higher ups orders.
I still press for criminal control, that would strip washington but these are the breaks
Military would last awhile but the citizens would win. In the long run
Haft of the military will join the citizen side.
A better question would be will all soldiers break their oath and follow unlawful orders?
Very comforting
Here is an honest question, if an active president gave the order would the military do it? I'm sure there are some in the military that would, but for the most part would they all come after us? And to all veterans reading this, excuse me for my ignorance, I don't mean any offense by it but it is truly an honest question because the way it is these days one would not be surprised.
You misinterpreted the 2nd amendment. It states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to secure a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." is the operative part of the 2nd amendment... The key words being "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". It is an individual's right/duty to defend himself, his family, his home, his state, his country from tyrany, from anyone, including the government, that attempts to take away their rights. You cannot form a Militia with unarmed citizens.
The 2nd amendment is THE GUARANTEE for ALL of the rest of the constitution.
This comment should have about a million thumbs up
Another issue that I would like to bring up has to do with all of the police officers,
(and I purposely did not capitalize it), who all took an Oath to “SERVE AND PROTECT”
anyone in need, anyone who is incapable of protecting themselves, or to sum it up,
EACH AND EVERY CITIZEN OUT THERE...!
The Oath does not discriminate, no where does it say only swear to protect the Whites,
or only protect the Blacks, or the Rich, or the Poor, or only those that you feel are deserving
of your protection...
NO WHERE does it discriminate who that protection is for, no where...!!!
When I grew up, I’m sure as many of you were taught, the police were are friend, if you ever
get into trouble or lost seek out a policeman (nothing gender related intended), ( and it’s so
stupid that I have to say that), he will help you and see that you’re returned to your parents...
I got to experience this first hand one day...
We live in Northern Indiana and my Mom, Aunt, and Grandma all went to the Flower Show in
Down town Chicago...
It was massive...!
There were 1,000’s of people there.
I was 4 years old and this would have been in 1966.
When we first entered the main building the police had a lost and found table set up.
We all walked over to it and my Mom told me that if I got lost to come here and the nice
policeman would help me.
Long story short...
I managed to get away from them and was lost...
I started to cry I can remember but then I remembered my Mom telling me about the policeman.
So, I started walking around until I found one and I remember tugging on his pant leg and him looking
down, then he kneeled down and asked me if I was lost.
I told him yes and asked if he would help me...
He took me up front, asked me my name and I also told him my Grandmas and my Aunts names.
They called over a load speaker that they had a lost little boy, gave my description, and said the
names I’d told him.
Then they gave me a Vanilla ice cream cone...!
That was the best part of the whole day...!
They all came running and bawling and of course I said look Grandma, I got an ice cream cone
and held it out...
Lucky for me they were so happy to see me I managed to not get my butt beat...
I have always had a great respect for police officers, in fact I spent some of my military time as
a military police person...
Then we move forward in time...
Now, it seems like I’m hearing more and more about either bad police officers getting busted for
infraction and that...!
Move forward a few more years and now, not only have the number of dirty police officers getting
busted has increased and has become more frequent but now they have begun shooting people
when they never had in the past...!
When asked why, many claim that they are afraid for their lives because people have begun killing
police officers...
I can remember a time when the most hard core criminals would not kill an officer, it just wasn’t done...!
There has to be a reason that this has started...
Maybe it’s because too many people have viewed too many times where police officers slam someone to
the ground, when it wasn’t needed.
Then handcuff the person, and because something sets one or more of them off, they mace the person several
times, and then proceed to kick and beat that person for no reason at all...!
Once a suspect is in handcuffs that it, there is no further need to do anything to that person other than do some
fact finding, and then either put them into the back of a squad car if they are going to be booked or cut them loose...
END OF STORY...!!!
The day that we militarized our Police was the day that most of them started to consider themselves above the law
and act like the same criminals they are supposed to be catching...
Why don’t I capitalize the words police officer any longer...?
They no longer hold my respect...
I have to tell you that it was a very sad day for me when I came to that realization but how couldn’t you...?
Police corruption is rampant everywhere it seems today.
I’m not from a big city, we have a population of about 50,000 last year we had two officers who got fired
because on the Fourth of July some women came into the main area where they have cameras set up, and
these two of my cities finest, I guess forgot that they were in a police station with cameras recording everything
and not only allowed but cheered on this extremely drunk women to put on a Strip tease show for them...!
Once it all came out these pillars of the community claimed that it was all her fault and that they tried to get her
to stop, though the video tape clearly showed them cheering her on and asking for sexual favors...
Just last month two more of or finest, one having been elected to serve and protect us, was busted for using excessive
force in more than one incident and that our chief of police was directly involved in the death of an inmate and the County
Jail...!
And this goes on and on, story after story, wrongful shootings, wrongful no-knock police raids in the early morning hours where
innocent people are being shot and killed and our law officials think that a Sorry, we made a mistake” is suppose to make up for
our dead family members...?
THIS HAS GOT TO STOP...,!!
I’m a 56 year old Veteran, I’ve never been in trouble with the police, and yet, today I will admit that I live in fear of them...
This is wrong on so many levels...!
We have seen these same men and women who took an Oath to “SERVE AND PROTECT” and to “ UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION”,
think nothing about going door to door and confiscating weapons of law abiding citizens who were afraid for their lives and the
lives of their loved ones from rioters and looters during hurricane Katrina...!
They are doing it in these States that are implementing unlawful and unconstitutional gun laws which prevent us from being able to protect ourselves and our loved ones...!
These police officers took the exact same oath that every other officer has taken but they have chosen to ignore it and to instead, turn against
the people who once trusted our children with them...
I know that not all officers out there are like this...!
Many wear their uniform with pride and honor and they take their oaths as seriously as if they had made them to God himself...!
For you officers who have already refused to carry out any unlawful or unconstitutional actions, I thank you and would shake your
hand if I could...!
I just hope and pray that if the time ever comes that any of you are given an order that you know is not right and should never have
been issued, you’ll all stand proud and refuse to act.
Believe me, there are enough of us Patriots out here that will stand behind you and your families if the need should ever arise.
I apologize for this comment and my last one for being so long but I believe that people need to open their eyes because our
World is not what it once was...
Think about it, our military couldn't beat the vietnamese, couldn't beat Afghanistan, the us has 300 million people to go to war with , plus 500 million guns and 70 % of military defecting to fight with the citizens, so who do u think would win???
You also have to factor in ease of access to the broader land of the US, compared to having to transport troops and equipment over seas.
I know that this is an older post but it is still a good subject for discussion. The success of the civilian population it seems to me would depend much on their preparedness. A civil war or martial law situation would probably not be an event that the government has not already planned for. I am sure that ammunition would become unavailable to the public (slowly perhaps at first and with a significant increase in price as supply dwindles).
Also this is a scenario that would likely involve the UN so military troop numbers would increase. The would probably replace civilian police duties with extended authority.
Communications would be dissolved, no internet or cellular service.
No preparation, no civilian victory.
Hard to say what would really happen.
Awesome assessment. As a retired Marine, I can tell you that the MARINES will side with the people and the Constitution. Remember SMEDLEY BUTLER.
I hope so. After what I witnessed in Katrina, and with the way its going now, I have a very hard time trusting these kids in the military not to 'just follow orders' or even know the difference between lawful vs unawful given by the insanely corrupt who seem to be in charge.
The fiercest serpent may be overcome by a swarm of ants.
Isoroku Yamamoto
I find it hard to believe that people are even thinking about this!
A cousin of mine told me there is underground roadways from coast to coast......
The military and police would side with the citizens - no doubt!
50% of the military would remember their oath and side with the civilian population if not more plus a lot of the civilian population used to be military oh and we outnumber them like a hundred to one
Another thing you could argue is that Russia and/or China would help the U.S. citizens. They could supply weapons and anything else people would need. I think Russia and China would love for the U.S. to be in a civil war for a few years. It would help them to become more powerful on the Global stage.
Kent State University, 1970. Waco 1994. etc.
After reading most of the comments here, I think the US needs to spend a lot more time learning grammar, spelling, and punctuation.
You do not account for the first confrontations with Police. The Military would only start to fill in the gaps helping the Police until they are deployed and organized.
Yes we would win. We love our country.
Show them do a March of every person carrying a gun go to Washington DC start a March. Bikers did it why don't the people with guns March rally up....
Who has control of the armories, tanks, armored vehicles, helicopters, etc.
Fuck YEAH, we could ,, ! 😎👍
It would take a mindset that the average citizen is incapable attaining without sever training. Anyone who likes games, can follow orders. But watching your px
These thumbs are too fat for these letters. It would be hell, just build a fair army. Hit and run would be our best weapon.
The IRA had only 200 guns which kept down 25% of the British Army.
The Germans demolished the Russian army until they got to Stalingrad where a resistance group of snipers, half of them women destroyed the German army.
They would do EXACTLY what they did in 1921 June 1 in Greenwood Tulsa Oklahoma, Well Known As BLACK WALL STREET.
Miitary has way too many toys...we would put up a good show, but would not be much of a threat........
"We the people " means our men and women of the military to . Most will fight with us and those that won't .will die. Not that I want that but if it needs to be .let it be
NOT FOREIGN and abroad foreign and domestic
I’m afraid if this scenario were to pass, the Police would be the first ones to die, and their are many good cops. God help us if this happens.
No! The military has superior firepower (full automatic weapons including grenade launchers) and artillery, and to include chemical weapons lethal and non-lethal.
The military can insert troops anywhere to take advantage of terrain.
The military would cut off fuel and electricity, and make it impossible to buy firearms and ammo, including bows.
The military engineers would setup roadblocks, razorwires, traps, and booby traps to create choke points for herding civilians, like within selected cities.
Military snipers would takeout anyone carrying a firearm, and no one would know they were there creating fear among civilians. They would only move at night making it difficult for you to locate them or aim. You cannot hide from their infrared systems, and GPS would probably become scrambled making it inoperable for civilians. But this is just some of their capabilities.
I hope this never happens, but this Vet would be on the civilian side.
I know the commander of our local National Guard unit. He has told me several times that he would NOT order his troops to fire on Americans unless they were committing crimes. The Military doesn't want to shoot anybody however when radicals take over a community it may be necessary to do so in order to restore the rule of law.
The real problem is, that since the UN has control of over 50% of American National Forests and actually have UN Troops located in an internment camp in East Yellowstone Park, WY; fully manned, numbers unknown as US citizens have no access, Smokey Mtn Nat'l Park, TN/NC; is another UN camp location, A Camp near Sedona AZ, Norton AFB, CA; Shawnee Nat'l Forest IL, Marion Cty- N of Indianapolis, IN; Kingsbury IN, Land betw the Lakes, KY/TN, Ft Polk LA, Ft. Detrick, MD, Ft. Leonard Wood MI, Malstrom MT, Holloman AFB NM, White Sands Missile Base NM, Minot AFB ND, Will Rogers World Airport OK, Indiantown Gap, PA, Ft. Hood, TX, And that is not even all of the locations, it's just verified locations of UN & other foreign troops currently located in the USA. I don't worry about American troops, it' the foreigners, that have been doing urban warfare training in our country that concern me. And you forget the plan is to jam cell /CB signals and start taking out the biggest threats, the red tags at 4AM, kick in doors and eliminate the threats to them, that worry me. And they'll tart at least a week b/4 they call for Martial Law. After the reds are done, we will be a couple of weeks into martial law and they will round up the next level of threats to them the blue tags. Call me conspiracy theorist. What the hell are we to do in that case???
gurilla warfare. we take what the enemy has and use it against them. ex. technology, explosives, heavy armoured vehicles. etc.etc
Training and stratagem AKA doctrine, are somewhat more predictable than that of a "partizan force." However, partizan options are somewhat limited...
There are way more military vets and retirees than active duty. The military would lose!
Let's see. There are 300 million weapons in the hands of American citizens and 324 million citizens. Of them 20 million are combat veterans. The military I believe would not want to kill another soldiers family. The military will split. We the people would defeat the bastards. States like GA who have their own Department of Defence and there own military would take control of the forts and airfields in the state to arm its citizens with heavy weapons from the forts arenals. Army forts alone in GA are:
Fort Benning Army Base in Columbus, GA. ...
Fort Gillem Army Base in Forest Park, GA. ...
Fort Gordon Army Base in Augusta, GA. ...
Fort Mcpherson Army Base in East Point, GA. ...
Fort Stewart Army Base in Liberty, GA. ...
Hunter Army Airfield Army Base in Savannah, GA. ...
Camp Frank D Merrill Army Base in Dahlonega, GA.
The people would establish the roots of Liberty and Freedom in America once more.
you also forgot Kingsbay sub base in St Marys GA
1st A good portion of the Military, isn't on US soil, no where near. 2nd another good portion would rather die than fight their own countrymen. 3rd There are more citizens in the US than out fighting.
So yeah I'd say the people have a good chance. The government would be too scared to cause harm to their own soil, so extreme explosives and such are out of question for them.
I think we would deal with them just like the Vietnamese did when they had to deal with the American aggression coming into their country so they saw it that way and they thought just because they were just a little squatty men didn't know how to fight back well they found out real quick it didn't go like that they had to resort to a lot of technology to fight back to an enemy that didn't need to be fought to start with...
Standing armies do horrible against guerrilla warfare. 1 poll had Americans at about 30 million would fight the government. We have 300 million firearms. About 25 percent of the military would defect. Some would refuse but a lot would follow orders. Really the war would be fought against police forces who have no respect for the citizenry or the constitution. They already have an us against them attitude. Not to mention all the veterans that would join the citizenry.
Many in my family wrte and are military men. Every last one would fight to protect our rights and constitutional rights. I am not worried. If the majority of the military feels as they do, we need not worry.
How would they protect their families from American Jihad. It will get real bad.
Just remember my friends...
It’s a totally different ballgame out there today
than when we ere growing up...
We were all taught Morals, to help those who
are unable to help themselves, Kindness, to
Work to get ahead and many other positive
things that a whole generation out there is
lacking...!
This same generation and the ones following
it have been dumbed down by our government
controlled schools.
They are being taught to not believe in God, the
Greatness or Country once held, or to have Pride
in our Country...!
They are constantly being bombarded with messages
at school and all over the media to not listen to their
parents and most of them don’t and we allow it because
our children have been taught that if you don’t give them
everything they want they can go and cry some made up
story and Child Protective Services will come in and
punish the parents...!
We have allowed the government and its agencies to raise
our children and turn them against us...!
These are the same children who believe that it’s alright to
take a weapon to school and shoot the place up, killing anyone
who gets in the way because someone was picking on them...!!!
These are the same children who’s father is a police officer and
took the fathers gun and shot him while he slept because he had
refused to buy his son a video game system when the child had
demanded that he do so...!!!
It’s these same children who will be filling the new vacancies in
our military as the need arises...
Have any of you stopped to think about what the possible consequences
could be...?
Personally, I don’t want to be handing over a weapon of any sort to these
Brainwashed kids...!
I honestly believe that they wouldn’t think twice about pointing the barrel
at you or I and pulling the trigger with a sick, twisted smiles on their faces...
Most military are U.S military veterans who have guns
I don't think there's any group in the US organized enough, nor do they have the equipment to defeat the US military. I mean your average citizen doesn't just have nukes and shit laying around. You may have a couple that have a workable rocket launcher but I highly doubt there's enough trained citizens to take out the military. I can't own a gun because of a felony 12 years ago (nonviolent) but I definitely support the 2A. I'm at least comfortable knowing that there's some good citizens around me that have them so I at least have a somewhat safe place to go if things ever get crazy.