This was a great episode, it touched on so many key points with how people are viewed and how people view things. It was great that this podcast was not bias, and actually allowed Mr. Coats to speak about his views with out trying to make him look bad for writing about his experiences. Thank you all for the content, it’s greatly appreciated.😊
I got suckered thinking this was an independent podcast, not a corporate gig. I can't fucking believe Trevor framed Israel as having "the burden of the good guy". Fuck right off Trevor
From a Palestinian American, who grew up in Palestine but lucky enough to escape the horrors now living in America, thank you for this interview. I have cried almost daily for the past year, but this is one of the first times I had tears of joy. Thank you for that.
@@muhammadyousef7965 Hamas was voted in. Over 72% of Palestinian Arabs support the October 7 attacks based on polls. Palestinian Arabs are responsible for the situation they are in an a war they started
@muhammadyousef7965 head up homie your home is gaining more and more allies as the time draws on and people awaken to the horrors of it. I don't believe anyone on either political party wants this to continue for your people which is one of the rare things we can agree on.
I love Netanyawu and Israel 🇮🇱 for the peace initiative with like-minded Arab nations until some te rr ist Iranian outfits attacked. Israel initiative is for peace and prosperity with nations like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Sudan etc. Even in 2005 Israel moved security and 9000 Jews out of Gaza and left industrial and farming equipment there to give peace a chance *(LET THIS SINK IN)* but what did your brothers in Gaza do soon after? Do you know?
Guys as people criticise Ta-Nehisi for being honest, Israel army attacked refugees camp and people where burning alive to death in the tenants, near the hospitals! is there any more brutality in this centry more than that? what are you waiting for to rise your voice against the massacre!!
@@ClemmonsX How is that brutality? The IDF didn't firebomb the hospital - something caught fire and burned people alive. It happens in war. The IDF fought many wars where it didn't harm civilians. Civilians get harmed when they are used for cover by terrorists. There have been many conflicts in the world in the 20th and 21st centuries. Nearly all of them are far bloodier than the Israeli-Arab conflict. But only one side in one conflict thinks it's okay to murder athletes at the Olympics and kidnap little babies. Is that the side you are on?
This country immunizes us from thinking critically and feeling angry about injustice. CNN just posted an article today with the headline like: “No Food has entered Gaza in October…” Does the food have agency? Why is the food choosing not to go into Gaza? It’s ridiculous how much our govt and corporate media shield us from seeing why things are the way they are.
Absolutely. I say these things all the time. The government is made up of humans making these horrible decisions. …like no cease fire until hostages are released. What hostages. I want to see some pictures, but still cease fire so Palestine’s can stop dying.
I visited Israel and the West Bank in the 1990s. I experience exactly what Mr. Coates writes about The Message. I felt and saw the Jim Crow system there, and Israel oppression of the Palestinian people. The Palestinian people are facing (have faced) far worse treatment, segregation, and oppression since the 1990s. I grew up under Jim Crow and segregation in a racist Georgia. I know oppression and a Jim Crow system when I feel it and see it. POWERFUL AND ENLIGHTENING CONVERSATION! Love it!! "This is my Black podcast!"....love it!
Trevor Noah’s question “What about the taxi driver?” got me. I’m ashamed to say I never thought about the innocent driver who gets k111ed as collateral damage and yet how many family members/people are dependent on him/her? How many people are you devastating when you thoughtlessly kill this one innocent person? Thanks Trevor. ✊
Very powerful. I hate how my country says collateral damage when it’s the local indigenous population, and when it’s white Americans or Zionist who are killed in a conflict they tell a different story.
Do you not remember "Taxi to the Dark Side"? This is nothing new. ANd nearly ALL the people being butchered are innocent. "collateral damage" is an obscene disgusting inhuman phrase
@@prismpyre7653 No, I didn’t know about “Taxi to the Dark Side”. Looked it up online, sounds horrific. You’re absolutely right, “collateral damage” is an obscene term - it sounds like damage to surrounding buildings or structures, not the loss of innocent human lives.
Trevor and Ta-Nehisi are great as usual but there is something so special about Christiana. Her insight, thoughtfulness and the eloquent way she expresses herself blows me away. I'm in awe of her mind. Her explanation of bleaching really connected thoughts I had floating in my mind but never really put together. A genius
@Mimi-jv4kl , I definitely had this EXACT thought when she said it. That the acceptable color of skin isn't just something that has affected Africans, but affected Asians as well. It is the reason you see Asian women with umbrellas in the sun. To be of color is to be lesser than, societally, in their culture, also.
Guys as people criticise Ta-Nehisi for being honest, Israel army attacked refugees camp and people where burning alive to death in the tenants, near the hospitals! is there any more brutality in this centry more than that? what are you waiting for to rise your voice against the massacre!!
Trevor has been silent for a year on this issue; i actually unfollowed him on his socials because i couldn’t stomach the idea of someone who was so sharp when talking about his experience with apartheid and South Africa’s experience with colonialism can be so mute when it came to Israel’s genocide in Gaza. Good that Trevor’s ‘return’ to the issue of Palestine is an interview with Ta-Nehisi. i confess i still feel like i want to throw an egg on Trevor’s face.
@@rafaelw8115 We Are ALL AFricans! Color of skin is a made up construct meant to control, demean, and perpetuate the power structure to keep people in their silos and and divided. Cultures are a different animal altogether
Being Indian IDK if you have that kind of connection, but anyhow, I'm sorry when what happened to the Palestinians happened to the Tamil's it was ignored by the world. I think about that a lot in the last year.
@@rafaelw8115 "Black" is a color, and not a human one, and is the word that people, who did not identify themselves as "black", used to describe literally darker skinned people.
I lived in Indonesia 2005 to 2015. Even as a slightly olive skinned Mediterranean descent, I could not find foundation make-up dark enough for me. There, in the midst of tropical heat, Indonesian women cover up from head to toe out of fear of getting darker from sun exposure. It's everywhere and I don't think it's strictly old school colonialism... its the modern media that features mostly white Americans.
@rafaelw8115 Yo bro, from a fellow African, please just let the guy be what he wants to be. You don't have to make him choose what he can call himself and it doesn't matter if he is darker than most Congolese. Don't judge him as he isn't judging the majority of Congolese who bleech their skin. Everyone in this world goes through their hustles differently and you don't know the amount of discrimination the dark Tamils go through in India. Just a little advice from your neighbour from Uganda.
As a White South African who was involved in the struggle in the 80s, we did ‘know’. We had the Rand daily Mail, we had the Catholic Bishops Conference and the South African Council of Churches amongst other sources. There was greater exchange of Ideas at English universities. Yes, the apartheid government succeeded in keeping people apart and used state media and education to remain in power. Just as Afrikaners have re-examined identity without apartheid, so Isaraelis can learn who they are without oppressing Palestinians. It lovely to hear Ta- Nehisi speak about his joyful experiences in Senegal.
interesting, I saw it as broader than that, as about human identity more generally, but for sure the black identity part took up the majority of the conversation.
@@jasonerb8854 i agree. I thought it was a broader conversation about humanity, however, as they talked about connection, their blackness was a way to discuss humanity and how they experienced oppression and how that shapes how they view oppression in the world. They each came from different backgrounds of blackness but still had similar experiences that they connected on. That’s the beauty of humanity as well. As different as our backgrounds are, there is a humanitarian connection we all (should) share.
I feel like they needed to contextualize it that way for them to really empathize. It had to be realted to a similarity of their own espetience to feel wajt humanity and a humane identity is @@miaheat36
As a muslim immigrant growing up in America, I always felt welcome by the African American community. I never understood why until I learned about the US history.
*blk ppl accepts everyone* *will even call someone such yourself/ ethnicity* *cousin, uncle, aunt whatever* & *if someone tries to question any differences between us or how* *will tell them mind ya own business* & *don't worry about it cuz I said so* 😂😂😂
Every time I watch CBS News in the morning with Gayle King, she always tends to interrupt or cut in every time they are interviewing. But the fact that during the interview with Coates, she managed to stay silent, almost the entire time blows my mind and speaks volumes about that interview.
I think she was in shock, to be honest. Just because she was there and experienced it in real time, didn't mean she wasn't blindsided. The one time she did try to interject, Ta-Nehisi was trying to finish his point. That interview was an ambush.
@@yaszit2210I don’t understand what Nate has to do with this. I made a comment about my observation of Gayle King’s unusual silence in an interview, that was more of an ambush than an interview, when clearly the book in its last chapter seemed to emphasize more of the history of Jewish people than the horror that Palestinians are currently experiencing. So could you clarify what Nate has to do with the point I made?
i don’t cry easily but when i went to south Africa and visited the museums, i cried. in public. especially at roebben island. like big ass tears on my face, i couldn’t stop it, when i learned the details of what apartheid was in south africa. and i know that there are many who won’t understand why i grieved.
One of the best authentic, humble, fact-based, humane, multicultural, introspective, and non-grifter interviews, dialogues -- and astute perspectives! Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! TNC, Christiane, Trevor!
Black media is so critical. The contrast between this interview and what I witnessed on CBS was palpable. Tony hijacked that interview and actually did a disservice to himself by not disclosing he had close connections to people currently living in Israel. Mr. Coates is a class act for not disparaging that ambush.
@@JB-wh3we As Coates said, there's no shortage of the Pro Zionist viewpoint, it's front and center on every major publication here. He didn't like that a spade was called a spade, Jim Crow was called Jim Crow, Apartheid called Apartheid. Just because they call it "Israel defending themselves" doesn't make it not oppression in reality.
@@TahtahmesDiary its not about the prevalence of a viewpoint, its about: does your viewpoint stand up to the scrutiny of probing questions? Its the equivalent of someone saying "we don't live on a planet, we live on a giant marshmallow" and when asked a probing question they respond with: "well there's no shortage of the pro-Planet viewpoint". Valid..but its not making the case for the assertion...
“This is my black podcast!” God I’m loving Trevor Noah’s and Ta-Nehisi’s fearless conversation. Let’s protect and embrace these men using their platforms to open eyes that have been closed for so long.
@@JB-wh3wepandering to who? Many prominent human rights groups have described Israel as an apartheid state. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others have all released reports on this
@@Jabbadabba-q1y lol pandering has nothing to do w/ Israel. Its pandering to the world view that seeks to see ppl as "collectives" instead of individuals AND designates the collectives into a simplistic binary of "oppressors & the oppressed". That's the pandering . That world view is an ideology, not objective truth.
@@Jabbadabba-q1y have you actually read their reports and fact-checked them? UN Watch alone has dozens upon dozens of reports on UNRWA employees working for Hamas. Nasrallah's bunker was located under an UN building. You lot believe any bs some pseudo intellectual spits out. Maybe look up Eldridge Cleaver and why he went from Pro-Palestine to Zionist after actually living in SWANA as a black man. Coates spent ten days in the region. He's so far out of his depth, it's pathetic. And Trevor has been an antisemitic POS from the get-go. Just look at his tweets from the early 2010s.
This conversation is a positive form of protest. I love that no one is dehumanized or devalued for diversity of thought. Yes, There is challenge for sure. However it’s not meant for harm. It’s sincerely meant for good, growth, elevation and education. 😮 I am so inspired and grateful for this community. Thank you for this most amazing and relaxing experience.
Truly. I had to pause a few times because the wisdom, beauty and love displayed here brought so much to mind, heart and spirit. Even with the awareness of the intelligence and talent on the mics I didn’t expect what this conversation did for me. I’m better as a result of this conversation. This was soul food, not entertainment or propaganda.
This warms my heart! I smiled through the entire episode!!! Hearing young black people with the exposure, intelligence, experience and elevated consciousness engage in discussions with caring foresight about life and humanity is just exhilarating to this 72 year old African American!! I am in awe of each individual at the table! Continue "being" the light!! Keep expanding...relish the opportunity to "go and see." Keep your minds open, hearts filled with kindness and stay courageous!!! I am so proud to know your "light" is out here in this world!! I feel your radiance and it warms my heart! ❤
There is the old and simple concept of a 'peace-dividend'. Would you care to promote/advocate for it, to and for all the people of the world? Isn't the harm that the environment is doing to us enough harm, for us to endure? If woke individuals can be so idealistic to call for the abolishment of police and prisons, why not the same be asked of us as far as the crimes we commit, and the harm we do to one another. Why is their idealism so narrowly focused? Why are they so inconsistent in applying wholistic, structural, and systemic approaches to problems? Isn't the best way to defund anything, to make it largely not needed? Can the kind of change that is needed, ever come from the top down?
9:48 Gayle King didn’t interrupt like she usually does because she knows what happens to your career when you stand up against a pro-lsraeli, even when they are dead wrong. There is no first amendment on mainstream networks when it comes to this issue.
If world leaders could sit around and have a conversation like this instead of posturing to impress their base, the world could be a wonderful place again. Thoughtfulness and honesty can produce miracles!
Thank you Ta-Nehisi, Christiana, and Trevor for this inspiring podcast. It's easy for a Palestinian-American like me to speak of the atrocities that Israel's apartheid regime is inflicting on Palestinians , but it's a powerful message to the world when others see the injustice as well. I bought the book and I can't wait to read it and share it with my friends.
I would pay money to hear a conversation between TaNehisi and Isabel Wilkerson. . . humanitarians having an empathic conversation about humanity. We need more of this in the world. Thank you!
Mr. Coates during that CBS interview, it reminded me of what taking control and being superior looks like. The interviewer from CBS stated, "Stip your name, your acolytes, and all that is you. Then he call you extremist." The same thing is done when a person is enslaved. Strip a person of their name, their culture, and their humanity. Then rename them, never give them their humanity back, and then codify it so no matter where they go people will know not to treat them humanely because it will be law.
@@reemmanassra165 mmm...didn't he LEAVE all that..? But considering what Jon Stewart's doing right now, there, on Daily Show... MaybeTrevor could've just stayed and do politically gutsier stuff. But, then again, what they let Jon do might not the same as what they'd let Trevor get away with...
I am in intellectual shock by this interview....in a totally positive way. To sit and listen to 3 black people who not only have something to say, but even more so, had questions to ask of one another in a totally curious way, was a total vibe. In my opinion, curiosity is intelligence and we just sat and witnessed people who represent, through their experiences and curiosity, an inquisitive group of individuals who didn't/don't profess to have all the answers. They were able to express nuanced views of complex historical and present day issues, recognizing that they may not have operated any differently, with the systems that were prevalent at time. One of the best things I've watched in a really long time.
@@theroadlesstrav ppl who watch TH-cam are seekers who have abandoned dishonest legacy media...for not doing what CBS actually did in that interviewing...asking probing questions that don't automatically grant the presuppositions of someone pushing an ideology...
@@theroadlesstravstop saying context when in your original comment you left out the context lol I would also assume the same thing, that you think black folks don’t usually have anything important to say.
@@sashao.1534, I didn't need to provide context when I was merely commenting on how great the conversation was. You can't read and understand that? I swear...you guys would find issue with someone giving a man dying of thirst, a sip of water. Unbelievable.
Great conversation. Thank you for speaking of Palestinian struggle . Your collective humanity throughout this conversation was so inspiring. I was brought to tears often .As a Muslim Arab American I could relate with many of the things that were brought up . I also have a deeper appreciation for the African American and African experience. This all brought me to tears
Too bad African Americans can't relate much to you, since they never elected a jihadist government that thinks that its people are going to paradise for dying while battling infidels
I’d never, to my shame, heard of Ta-Nehisi until that infamous CBS interview (shame on CBS, but also, thank you). Now, I’ve placed an order of Ta-Nehisi’s book, The Message. I’m better informed, though I was already aware of the genocide going on in Gaza. But most of all, I got to know more about the tour de force that is Noura Ekarat. I’m so glad I subscribe to Spotify. It’s the best option as far as music. But it’s so much more content, like Trevor Noah’s podcast.
@@trevornewton2646 lol if you're going into it thinking it will "make you a better person" then you've got deeper issues than this book is gonna fix for ya. If you lack grounding it's only going to indoctricate into viewing ppl as collectives of colonizers/oppressors. I'd suggest some Jordan Peterson as a cleanse first
Our context MATTERS so much. Stripping us of our whole self is the ONLY way to make us Not Matter. Tony wanted ALL the Contex for Israel and NONE for Palestine or Tanahesi . The ballzzzz of it
Take the context away and you have two groups of people fighting, with the death toll being 1 to 50 in favour of Israel. So even without context it's damning as hell hahaha
Yea exactly, and the more you read about this conflict the worse Israel looks. Ta-Nehisi is unfortunately only scratching the surface, he mentioned the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem in other interviews about his book and if you go there they have documented the terrorist attacks Hamas has done but also ALL the horrors that Israel has put on the Palestinian people (ie. using Palestinians as literal human shields -> firing at targets from behind a Palestinian civilian)
Our presence is our message our suffering is our message,our history is our message ,our life is our message. Destroy us and the message still stands,We are Yahuah is our message,No one can remove God.We are his Temple.
Ta-Nehisi is now a world conscious writer of our time by placing basic humanity on the spot light of inequality, racism, discrimination or racial profiling, wherever it lands. We all need to dismantle bias narratives in the world (Israel: racism,discrimination, apartheid, unfair access to opportunities) wherever oppression exists.
tell me about unfair access to opportunities? you mean the opportunity of armoury smuggling? yes, by checking the air and sea Israel may filter those actions. What is unfair about it?
@@smajiszrael It's unfair that Palestinians are given permits to work in Israel, but Israelis aren't able to access economic opportunities in the Palestinian Territories
Oh man this was absolutely brilliant Trevor. I’ve seen so many Ta-Nehisi interviews over the past few days, this was the first where I felt the whole book was discussed and not just the one chapter. Well done to you and your co-host! 👏🏽
This particular episode moved me to tears. The emotion, the honesty and the REAL exploration into the true meaning of life for many African Americans, Africans and other oppressed peoples was finally realized in a profound manner. The discussion was more meaningful to me because we heard the voices of three people who have experienced oppression in three different contexts, continents and cultures! This was truly like no other conversation and I listen to every show…thank you
I've been binging Ta-Nehisi Coates interviews and podcasts like mad the past few weeks. This conversation was elucidating and heartbreaking. He's got a fan for life.
Working as a black psychological anthropologist, I treasure conversations/perspectives like these. So much to learn from our own phenomenological views. Please make a part 2.
Folks are like you are needed even more now as the world tries to discover its self.we as black folk are the essence of empathy, and we can contribute so much to human growth if we will stand up and take our place.
Thank you Trevor for allowing the guest to speak and share his thoughts. Too many host limits the guest to speak in details. The guest is the guest! Allow them more time to speak.
In a world without forgiveness, evil begets evil. When will the wars end? When will the corruption ends? When will the greed ends? When will enough is enough?
I’m a retired college English professor from Tennessee and Florida, conservative states in the Southeast. I enjoyed Between the World and Me, which I admired immensely as an open-ended intellectual journey. Some writers have everything plotted out, but I think the greatest literature is composed via inductive logic, in which you don’t know exactly where you’re going. I think this is the way you learn from writing, an experience you share with your reader. Mr. Coats is a writer like this. There’s always a search going on. Moreover, I see that even after the book is written, the journey continues. I know I’m not not the first to make the comparison (I think I am preempted by Toni Morrison, no less), but there’s a quality about Mr. Coast’s writing that is in the tradition of James Baldwin. After I finished Between the World, I went back and reread The Fire Next Time, and the quality is there, definitely. I am eager to read the new book. I’m a white guy, listening from the audience in more ways than one, but believe me, I was a voracious listener of this fascinating conversation.
The guy with the African name is from America and the two Black people from Africa have American names. This may seem insignificant, but it says so much about some of the subtext of this conversation. Loved every moment.
In the context here it’s important to clarify that Trevor and Christiana aren’t American names. Popular on the continent maybe but they are not names from America, Trevor for example is a Welsh name, christiana is a Latin name. This isn’t a dig by the way, but I think it’s important to point out ☺️
If the good lord can find it in his heart to protect an beautiful moral and truth seeking atheist like Ta Nehisi Coates, then maybe this atheist would be finally willing to check out your good lord.
So far, this is the best interview I have ever seen in my entire life. It’s shown in a wide range of perspectives. There’s knowledge and passion all in one place. I was truly sad when it ended.
This interview should be shown in schools. This is how interviews should be done. It was actually more than an interview. Noah and the amazing interviewer were having a deep discussion about an important topic that doesn't get discussed in this manner. I enjoyed it very much. All the love and respect for Mr. Coats. We need more humans like him. A couple of notes I had issues with. Noah said the Israeli in Israel don't get to watch and know what's going on in Gaza and the West Bank. Yes, they do. Each one of them serves in the army first of all. Secondly, they can get their news through other media than the Israeli TV. They heard of Tic Tok which many of them are on it. There is Facebook, Instagram and so on. No excuse. The other point which the lady interviewer (sorry didn't get her name, but liked her) mentioned. Please you cannot compare those Jews who left their own home land in Morocco or Europe by choice to go to Israel with people who were forced to leave like us Palestinians. Judaism is a religion you can practice anywhere. It's not a nationality. Please don't compare. It's wrong. And if you ask many Jews move to Israel because they get offered free homes on my Palestinian land, get paid and enjoy the weather. I know what I am talking about. I am Palestinians. Free Palestine 🇵🇸.
I’ve been thinking about the African American apartheid and segregation and how it compares to the Palestinian apartheid and segregation and Ta-Nahisi finally has been the person to bring a lot of attention and talk about it.
I’m listening to Ta-Nehisi Coates on The Trevor Noah Show as he describes his experience in Gorée, Senegal, watching the ships that once transported enslaved people to the United States. He speaks about the astonishment he felt when, after all the effort to separate myth from reality, the beliefs we carry can still blur the line between the two, even when facing the truth. As a psychiatrist in Manhattan, I can relate to this feeling. Despite my training and knowledge, I’m often struck by how easily I can be deceived by someone with antisocial personality disorder (a sociopath), even when I have prior information about their condition. It’s a reminder of how complex human perception and understanding can be.
Finally a conversation with somebody who's opinion is valued, because this person digs deep and does serious research, not for fame, but for shedding light on the truth!
I can honestly say that I loved every second of this video. The Palestinian cause owes a debt of gratitude to black people for verbalizing our struggle to the world in words they can relate to and understand. The immortal words of Nelson Mandela, who said, "Our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians" will forever ring true.
I am so ashamed of myself for buying into the rumor that was all over social media claiming Trevor was a pro Israel Zionist. I was baldly hurt by that and now gladly badly mistaken. Thank you for this conversation and your humanity. Much love
Never believe it when you ear that. That’s just code for - ‘we must silence & discredit this person, because they’re going against the mainstream narrative!!
People were almost harassing Trevor about speaking on the matter for a year, not understanding that he was voluntarily removing himself from the conversation and they can not bully him into speaking. He spoke about it when he felt he had to do it. In the previous interview with a zionist he remained almost silent and let Christiana ask the hard questions and do the follow ups, because she is not only a great interviewer, but also someone who shares his point of view about the genocide. He allowed a mild zionist to speak on his show so he can have that perspective, and then invited someone who shares his values and opinions and speak freely about it. People like to jump to conclusions too quickly.
@@lidialondreshow are people jumping into conclusions quickly. Trevor’s claim to fame was based on a book (born a crime) that was entirely based on the subject of apartheid. People look up to him. It took him an entire year and thousands dead to speak on the subject that he is an expert on. People were disappointed in him for the right reasons.
Trevor has made some antisemitic comments quite a few years ago. He got to where he is due to his skin color and background, because the talent simply isn't there.
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL! That segment about Ryan going to Soweto resonated with me as I felt the same way the first time I went to South Africa in 2003. I always said when I was in South Africa, I understood how white people feel in America the way that EVERYTHING is centered on you!!!! Thanks for making this podcast!
I say this in with pure white woman self-interest: Everything about this conversation shows me how necessary an education in the Humanities is to our humanity. Thank y'all so much for this. 💜
Thank you Trevor Noah. You have won my heart again. And thank you Mr. Coates for standing up for what is right and for speaking the truth and for caring so deeply for other humans. Totally indebted to you.
It is criminal that this is my first time listening in. What a refreshing corner of the internet. “If we take context from anything, it can go anywhere!” American politicians and media have forgotten this fundamental common sense.
Coates points out the same critical truth the Apostle Paul stated, "but for the grace of God, there go I". Everyone needs that self-awareness and humility.
I’m here for Ta-Nehisi Coates, his book, him standing up clearly with Palestine, and for what happened to him on that interview 💚❤️🖤✌🏼🇵🇸 can’t wait to receive The Message!
I have watched CBS nearly every morning for years. I have become fond of Tony. And then this interview happened and it reminded me of the times I’ve been in a work space with white people I thought liked and respected me who then undermine my Black experience any time I brought up something negative that happened because of my race… Tony did exactly what we needed him to do. We know oppression exists. We underestimate what oppression looks like in our seemingly harmless everyday interactions. That interview was a perfect example of just that. I then bought the book because of HOW Ta-Nehisi responded. I aspire to respond as beautifully as he did to such a disheartening moment to his work and perspective. I have now finished the book and I am more enlightened than I ever expected to be about both Palestinian and Israeli issues and even my own challenges as a Black woman and the white America I exist in. Ta-Nehisi did exactly what we needed him to do in being the intellect and empath that it took to write this book and contribute to positive change in humanity. Well done and great timing! 👏🏾
I miss the Trevor we had before he went to America. The one who spoke truth to power in an unbiased way I feel you are on your way back. Thank you Trevor, your fellow South African❤️. This discussion made me cry , especially describing what's happening in Isreal from the Holocaust perspective. The victim has truly become the Villian
Yes, I kept on wondering why Trevor, who makes a living by talking, has nothing publicly to say about the plight of the Palestinians, particularly because of his lived experiences in S Africa. Hopefully his guest might inspire him to pluck up some courage and air his views. The truth about the Palestinian gen-cide must become mainstream especially from those who experienced Apartheid firsthand and who is privileged enough to have a wide platform
@@fatigahjardine1022Trevor Noah, doesn't lack courage. You, on the other hand, need to learn to observe, listen and sharpen your comprehension and rational analytical skills before bloviating. Noah's position on Palestine has never changed, it can't, he's a child of Apartheid.
@@KOZ-k1pTrevor is South African. A child of apartheid. He can never be Pro Zionist. He knows our South African history of apartheid, and how Israel is complicit in apartheid crimes here in SA.90% of us South Africans support Palestine. The 10% that support racists are the same racists that tried to exterminate is with the help of Israel.
As a black South American who grew up in the US I feel so seen by both the American and African perspective because a lot of us live in between these two world.
Excuse me, as a non-Israeli, non-Jewish religious and ethnic minority with roots in the Levant - you know nothing about the middle east. Arabs and Muslims makeup the majority of the region, hold all of the positions of power and are very much the white people of that part of the world.
Proud Howard graduate here; I ran into Ta-Nehisi Coates on the campus one summer maybe in 2018?, and was star struck; I had just finished “Between the World and Me“, and was in a phase where I was still grappling with my own identity. Fun fact, I was in a car with my friend, who was actually a 6th generation descendant of Harriet Tubman that day 🥰 but anyway, I managed to utter my words of admiration towards his Book and how inspiring it was. I am west-african originally and can relate to all 3 panelists, having lived in the US for 20+ years. And I believe the unresolved emotional feeling Mr. Coates is sensing us that feeling of loss, because we did lose each other. There was a former faculty member who worked at the Howard University school of education, opened a panel discussion by saying something along the lines of “while Americans were enslaved, those who remained were colonized”! And I recall thinking “YES… yes, that’s it!” Us Africans, who stayed behind also had our version of an oppressive reality we were dealing with. Gosh, I wish there was an audience to this podcast where I could chime in. This podcast also took me to a conversation Trevor had on Jay’s podcast where, I don’t know if you remember, you were discussing what the feeling of “Home” was, and Trevor, I loved your answer, because you said that home means something that is “familiar”, which is how you were able to explain or justify why you got along with people in India when you visited the country, and caught yourself joking, and understanding their humor; you said it was because it was “familiar”. That podcasts is one of my favorite ones, along with this one here with Mr. Coates. I also loved seeing Mr. Coates so relaxed, he should definitely visit more of Africa because we are a people full of hospitality, we love people and yes, we do tend to be relaxed and get comfortable around people we like 😅 🇹🇬🇧🇫 I also relates to this conversation because I lived in Saudi Arabia When I was in middle school and my siblings and I have a lot of friends from the Middle East and North Africa. It is a really difficult time for us, and is it a true brotherhood and sisterhood. Hopefully this genocide ends soon! But Trevor, you are right- it takes a different, self-conscious minded person to wanna question their own reality and want to seek the truth ♥️🌹 I believe I am one of those people, because of my exposure, I mean different cultures. Anyway, keep up the great work. I loved this.
So interesting, as someone who was born in Germany and grew up in Canada from the age of two, at 21 in 1972 on a trip to my grandparents In Germany I grappled with my guilt as a child for The Holocaust. As my best friend growing up was Jewish I tried to understand how the holocaust could have happened. When confronting my grandparents who lived close to the French border they were so sorrowful and ashamed and they professed not knowing. In their rural part of Germany, Hitler just meant that the trains were running on time again. Thanks to the 3 of you for such a vulnerable conversation. We need compassion for All.
But not for hierarchies. Such systems have brought about every single great bloodshed in human history. The people at the top need to go, completely seperate from identity politics, with _very_ few exceptions.
I`m German and a few years ago I red my Grandmas diary she wrote during WW2 (on my dads side). And I knew her as a child. In these diary entries between the horror and terror of war were sentences like "what has happened to the proud German military? How could it come this far?" And to this day I`m squaring the kind elderly lady that loved sneaking her grandson sweets my mom wouldn`t allow with someone who both lived through that horror but also who supported the 3rd Reich. And this goes to a sentence Mr. Coates said early: "Can I guarantee that I wouldn`t be taken in by such thoughts if I was the one suffering? I can`t!" My Grandma was a young woman who was enamored by the idea of the strapping lads in a military you could be proud of. She lived in a country that (for her as a white Christian German) was improving life ... until for her the foreign soldiers came and everything turned to horror. How many things would I look past to retain that bliss? I know I`m looking past many injustices in the world because living in a wealthy peaceful 1st world country is pretty sweet. Coming back to Mr. Coates sentence: Can I guarantee you where I would draw the line if I was in danger? I don`t think I can. And I think I owe it to my passed Grandmother to afford her this kind of understanding at least.
@@DarkHarlequin it doesn't completely work the way you say. Remember who the aggressors were in WW1. Yes, France was completely awful before then, but the problem in ALL of these examples is that the victims sat and took stock in peacetime, then went on the _offensive._
@@Virjunior01 You misunderstand the point slightly. The point is that the causes can be a 1000 things, imagined or real, justified or unfair. But to the normal people living life every day, we see what`s in front of us, we value what happens to your loved ones and what we can feel. People IN a war don`t get the luxury of philosophical debate of who was the aggressor whos in the right whos in the wrong. We just live our lives telling ourselves the stories that reflect how we see/want to see reality. And then when we`re suddenly in it it`s just survival and rage and fear and despair. Everybody thinks they are the victim when they are suffering or lose something, Regardless of how you gained the things before and what other may have done to justify your suffering now.
@@DarkHarlequin what _you're_ missing is that it's short-sighted. We live in a world where we can see all these things happening, and hear these stories from the people who live them without having to go there ourselves. We are not there ourselves. However, how did people attending the DNC react when faced with things we could ALL see? _They covered their ears, literally._ And before that, when progressives were saying Biden was sundowning for years? They _ignored it,_ until his horrid debate performance. We don't need to be there, and pretending we are justified in avoiding reality or placing our own comfort above literal ethnic cleansing is straight up n@zi sympathizer shit.
Thank you Trevor Noah. You have created a platform for real discussions. I am praying for a part 2, I felt the three of you were just getting started. Can’t wait to read both of your newly released books.
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My blogger friend Nate Heintz.
The way you ended the podcast was brilliant. I hope Tony Dokoupil sees it and reflects on what he said.
This was a great episode, it touched on so many key points with how people are viewed and how people view things. It was great that this podcast was not bias, and actually allowed Mr. Coats to speak about his views with out trying to make him look bad for writing about his experiences. Thank you all for the content, it’s greatly appreciated.😊
You are on fire. I love and appreciate it.
I got suckered thinking this was an independent podcast, not a corporate gig. I can't fucking believe Trevor framed Israel as having "the burden of the good guy". Fuck right off Trevor
From a Palestinian American, who grew up in Palestine but lucky enough to escape the horrors now living in America, thank you for this interview. I have cried almost daily for the past year, but this is one of the first times I had tears of joy. Thank you for that.
Why did you choose to live in the Great Satan if you hate the little Satan? Maybe try Ireland!
@@muhammadyousef7965 Hamas was voted in. Over 72% of Palestinian Arabs support the October 7 attacks based on polls. Palestinian Arabs are responsible for the situation they are in an a war they started
@muhammadyousef7965 head up homie your home is gaining more and more allies as the time draws on and people awaken to the horrors of it. I don't believe anyone on either political party wants this to continue for your people which is one of the rare things we can agree on.
I love Netanyawu and Israel 🇮🇱 for the peace initiative with like-minded Arab nations until some te rr ist Iranian outfits attacked. Israel initiative is for peace and prosperity with nations like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Sudan etc.
Even in 2005 Israel moved security and 9000 Jews out of Gaza and left industrial and farming equipment there to give peace a chance *(LET THIS SINK IN)* but what did your brothers in Gaza do soon after? Do you know?
“…that book would fit in the backpack of somebody who truly sees other people as human beings first and foremost”
Guys as people criticise Ta-Nehisi for being honest, Israel army attacked refugees camp and people where burning alive to death in the tenants, near the hospitals! is there any more brutality in this centry more than that? what are you waiting for to rise your voice against the massacre!!
@@ClemmonsX How is that brutality? The IDF didn't firebomb the hospital - something caught fire and burned people alive. It happens in war. The IDF fought many wars where it didn't harm civilians. Civilians get harmed when they are used for cover by terrorists.
There have been many conflicts in the world in the 20th and 21st centuries. Nearly all of them are far bloodier than the Israeli-Arab conflict. But only one side in one conflict thinks it's okay to murder athletes at the Olympics and kidnap little babies. Is that the side you are on?
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Beautiful way to close. Bravo.
This country immunizes us from thinking critically and feeling angry about injustice. CNN just posted an article today with the headline like: “No Food has entered Gaza in October…” Does the food have agency? Why is the food choosing not to go into Gaza? It’s ridiculous how much our govt and corporate media shield us from seeing why things are the way they are.
go there and see with your eyes how much food enter gaza and how much is hijacked by ham-ass
The US media and govt bend over backward to avoid naming the culprit in all this mess, iz rail
Absolutely. I say these things all the time. The government is made up of humans making these horrible decisions. …like no cease fire until hostages are released. What hostages. I want to see some pictures, but still cease fire so Palestine’s can stop dying.
I visited Israel and the West Bank in the 1990s. I experience exactly what Mr. Coates writes about The Message. I felt and saw the Jim Crow system there, and Israel oppression of the Palestinian people. The Palestinian people are facing (have faced) far worse treatment, segregation, and oppression since the 1990s. I grew up under Jim Crow and segregation in a racist Georgia. I know oppression and a Jim Crow system when I feel it and see it. POWERFUL AND ENLIGHTENING CONVERSATION! Love it!! "This is my Black podcast!"....love it!
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So long 🤦🏾♂️
you unironically didn't do both.
@@Tal-Twas there a “both” in apartheid South Africa?
@@BornGiftedMusicGroupand yet you're here 🤔
This conversation went to so many places. THIS is how to talk to our fellow humans.
Trevor Noah’s question “What about the taxi driver?” got me. I’m ashamed to say I never thought about the innocent driver who gets k111ed as collateral damage and yet how many family members/people are dependent on him/her? How many people are you devastating when you thoughtlessly kill this one innocent person? Thanks Trevor. ✊
Very powerful. I hate how my country says collateral damage when it’s the local indigenous population, and when it’s white Americans or Zionist who are killed in a conflict they tell a different story.
Do you not remember "Taxi to the Dark Side"? This is nothing new. ANd nearly ALL the people being butchered are innocent. "collateral damage" is an obscene disgusting inhuman phrase
War isn't murder, good men don't die, the children don't cry and all the women survive
Now imagine 20, 200, 2000, 200000 innocent lives. Women and children the majority. I pray for us all!
@@prismpyre7653 No, I didn’t know about “Taxi to the Dark Side”. Looked it up online, sounds horrific. You’re absolutely right, “collateral damage” is an obscene term - it sounds like damage to surrounding buildings or structures, not the loss of innocent human lives.
Trevor and Ta-Nehisi are great as usual but there is something so special about Christiana. Her insight, thoughtfulness and the eloquent way she expresses herself blows me away. I'm in awe of her mind. Her explanation of bleaching really connected thoughts I had floating in my mind but never really put together. A genius
Yes!
First time heard her, she is fantastic.
@Mimi-jv4kl , I definitely had this EXACT thought when she said it. That the acceptable color of skin isn't just something that has affected Africans, but affected Asians as well. It is the reason you see Asian women with umbrellas in the sun. To be of color is to be lesser than, societally, in their culture, also.
100%.
I much prefer her analysis than Trevor's.
She's a deep critical thinker.
She's incredible.❤
Love that Last note from Trevor , if everything was removed the book would be in the backpack of someone who sees humanity.
Humanity is not extremism.
That's what we as black people do. We refuse to let our power be used as a weapon against us. We take it back. Trevor flipped that beautifully ❤
Guys as people criticise Ta-Nehisi for being honest, Israel army attacked refugees camp and people where burning alive to death in the tenants, near the hospitals! is there any more brutality in this centry more than that? what are you waiting for to rise your voice against the massacre!!
Trevor has been silent for a year on this issue; i actually unfollowed him on his socials because i couldn’t stomach the idea of someone who was so sharp when talking about his experience with apartheid and South Africa’s experience with colonialism can be so mute when it came to Israel’s genocide in Gaza.
Good that Trevor’s ‘return’ to the issue of Palestine is an interview with Ta-Nehisi. i confess i still feel like i want to throw an egg on Trevor’s face.
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Ta nahisi is fake
From a dark skinned Tamil Indian born in the Middle East, and brought up in the UK, this was a very valuable conversation for me to listen into
@@rafaelw8115 We Are ALL AFricans! Color of skin is a made up construct meant to control, demean, and perpetuate the power structure to keep people in their silos and and divided. Cultures are a different animal altogether
Being Indian IDK if you have that kind of connection, but anyhow, I'm sorry when what happened to the Palestinians happened to the Tamil's it was ignored by the world.
I think about that a lot in the last year.
@@rafaelw8115 "Black" is a color, and not a human one, and is the word that people, who did not identify themselves as "black", used to describe literally darker skinned people.
I lived in Indonesia 2005 to 2015. Even as a slightly olive skinned Mediterranean descent, I could not find foundation make-up dark enough for me. There, in the midst of tropical heat, Indonesian women cover up from head to toe out of fear of getting darker from sun exposure. It's everywhere and I don't think it's strictly old school colonialism... its the modern media that features mostly white Americans.
@rafaelw8115 Yo bro, from a fellow African, please just let the guy be what he wants to be. You don't have to make him choose what he can call himself and it doesn't matter if he is darker than most Congolese. Don't judge him as he isn't judging the majority of Congolese who bleech their skin. Everyone in this world goes through their hustles differently and you don't know the amount of discrimination the dark Tamils go through in India. Just a little advice from your neighbour from Uganda.
As a White South African who was involved in the struggle in the 80s, we did ‘know’. We had the Rand daily Mail, we had the Catholic Bishops Conference and the South African Council of Churches amongst other sources. There was greater exchange of Ideas at English universities. Yes, the apartheid government succeeded in keeping people apart and used state media and education to remain in power. Just as Afrikaners have re-examined identity without apartheid, so Isaraelis can learn who they are without oppressing Palestinians.
It lovely to hear Ta- Nehisi speak about his joyful experiences in Senegal.
Israelis aren’t oppressing anybody, you’re brainwashed
Came for Ta-Nehisi Coates' and Trevor's discussion on Palestine, stayed for a surprisingly moving conversation about blackness and Black identity.
interesting, I saw it as broader than that, as about human identity more generally, but for sure the black identity part took up the majority of the conversation.
@@jasonerb8854 i agree. I thought it was a broader conversation about humanity, however, as they talked about connection, their blackness was a way to discuss humanity and how they experienced oppression and how that shapes how they view oppression in the world.
They each came from different backgrounds of blackness but still had similar experiences that they connected on. That’s the beauty of humanity as well. As different as our backgrounds are, there is a humanitarian connection we all (should) share.
No conflict imo@@jasonerb8854
I feel like they needed to contextualize it that way for them to really empathize. It had to be realted to a similarity of their own espetience to feel wajt humanity and a humane identity is @@miaheat36
I decided to read the book because of this conversation.
As a muslim immigrant growing up in America, I always felt welcome by the African American community. I never understood why until I learned about the US history.
And believe it or not a lot of us feel safer under Islam if that makes sense.
@@litmovement125 not a lot of us
*blk ppl accepts everyone*
*will even call someone such yourself/ ethnicity*
*cousin, uncle, aunt whatever* & *if someone tries to question any differences between us or how*
*will tell them mind ya own business* & *don't worry about it cuz I said so*
😂😂😂
@@ndo533 let me clarify the blk community and yes a lot of us
@@litmovement125No 😂 Islam is just as bad as bad as Christianity and Judaism
Every time I watch CBS News in the morning with Gayle King, she always tends to interrupt or cut in every time they are interviewing. But the fact that during the interview with Coates, she managed to stay silent, almost the entire time blows my mind and speaks volumes about that interview.
I think she was in shock, to be honest. Just because she was there and experienced it in real time, didn't mean she wasn't blindsided. The one time she did try to interject, Ta-Nehisi was trying to finish his point. That interview was an ambush.
and what about Nate? Why aren't we having the same energy/thoughts for Nate? I thought Ta-Nehisi handled it extremely well.
@@theroadlesstravit was definitely an ambush
@@yaszit2210I don’t understand what Nate has to do with this. I made a comment about my observation of Gayle King’s unusual silence in an interview, that was more of an ambush than an interview, when clearly the book in its last chapter seemed to emphasize more of the history of Jewish people than the horror that Palestinians are currently experiencing. So could you clarify what Nate has to do with the point I made?
Why do you think she did that? Maybe intimidation or fear of appearing supportive of a popular or unpopular viewpoint?
i don’t cry easily but when i went to south Africa and visited the museums, i cried. in public. especially at roebben island. like big ass tears on my face, i couldn’t stop it, when i learned the details of what apartheid was in south africa. and i know that there are many who won’t understand why i grieved.
That's exactly what HUMANITY is boss. Ta Nehesi tries to give voice to the voiceless
Similarly, I also could not stop the tears when I visited the Apartheid museum in J'burg. I tried, but it was impossible. And I'm Nigerian.
One of the best authentic, humble, fact-based, humane, multicultural, introspective, and non-grifter interviews, dialogues -- and astute perspectives! Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! TNC, Christiane, Trevor!
Black media is so critical. The contrast between this interview and what I witnessed on CBS was palpable. Tony hijacked that interview and actually did a disservice to himself by not disclosing he had close connections to people currently living in Israel. Mr. Coates is a class act for not disparaging that ambush.
"Man enough" to ridicule, not Man enough to pre-emptively state his bias...
Lol he "hijacked the interview" by not eagerly granting the world view that Coates is pushing. That's rich.
@@theroadlesstravasking probing questions isn't a bias lol.
@@JB-wh3we As Coates said, there's no shortage of the Pro Zionist viewpoint, it's front and center on every major publication here. He didn't like that a spade was called a spade, Jim Crow was called Jim Crow, Apartheid called Apartheid. Just because they call it "Israel defending themselves" doesn't make it not oppression in reality.
@@TahtahmesDiary its not about the prevalence of a viewpoint, its about: does your viewpoint stand up to the scrutiny of probing questions?
Its the equivalent of someone saying "we don't live on a planet, we live on a giant marshmallow" and when asked a probing question they respond with: "well there's no shortage of the pro-Planet viewpoint". Valid..but its not making the case for the assertion...
“This is my black podcast!” God I’m loving Trevor Noah’s and Ta-Nehisi’s fearless conversation. Let’s protect and embrace these men using their platforms to open eyes that have been closed for so long.
Not for nothing but I thought Christiana more than held her own here.
@@c.e.robinson1100 lol apparently "fearless" & "pandering" mean the same thing now...
@@JB-wh3wepandering to who? Many prominent human rights groups have described Israel as an apartheid state.
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others have all released reports on this
@@Jabbadabba-q1y lol pandering has nothing to do w/ Israel. Its pandering to the world view that seeks to see ppl as "collectives" instead of individuals AND designates the collectives into a simplistic binary of "oppressors & the oppressed". That's the pandering . That world view is an ideology, not objective truth.
@@Jabbadabba-q1y have you actually read their reports and fact-checked them? UN Watch alone has dozens upon dozens of reports on UNRWA employees working for Hamas. Nasrallah's bunker was located under an UN building.
You lot believe any bs some pseudo intellectual spits out. Maybe look up Eldridge Cleaver and why he went from Pro-Palestine to Zionist after actually living in SWANA as a black man.
Coates spent ten days in the region. He's so far out of his depth, it's pathetic. And Trevor has been an antisemitic POS from the get-go. Just look at his tweets from the early 2010s.
The man is a treasure to humanity. He speaks to the issues of our era the same way I imagine James Baldwin spoke to the issues of his own time.
This conversation is a positive form of protest. I love that no one is dehumanized or devalued for diversity of thought. Yes, There is challenge for sure. However it’s not meant for harm. It’s sincerely meant for good, growth, elevation and education. 😮
I am so inspired and grateful for this community. Thank you for this most amazing and relaxing experience.
🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
I pray that this man continues speaking truth to power and to the rest of us
I am smarter coming out of this conversation than I was walking into it. Thank you.
Truly. I had to pause a few times because the wisdom, beauty and love displayed here brought so much to mind, heart and spirit. Even with the awareness of the intelligence and talent on the mics I didn’t expect what this conversation did for me. I’m better as a result of this conversation. This was soul food, not entertainment or propaganda.
This is the Way.
This warms my heart! I smiled through the entire episode!!! Hearing young black people with the exposure, intelligence, experience and elevated consciousness engage in discussions with caring foresight about life and humanity is just exhilarating to this 72 year old African American!! I am in awe of each individual at the table! Continue "being" the light!! Keep expanding...relish the opportunity to "go and see." Keep your minds open, hearts filled with kindness and stay courageous!!! I am so proud to know your "light" is out here in this world!! I feel your radiance and it warms my heart! ❤
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Thank you for saying so eloquently what I was having a hard time putting into words! Well said, my friend. 👏🏽
There is the old and simple concept of a 'peace-dividend'. Would you care to promote/advocate for it, to and for all the people of the world? Isn't the harm that the environment is doing to us enough harm, for us to endure? If woke individuals can be so idealistic to call for the abolishment of police and prisons, why not the same be asked of us as far as the crimes we commit, and the harm we do to one another. Why is their idealism so narrowly focused? Why are they so inconsistent in applying wholistic, structural, and systemic approaches to problems? Isn't the best way to defund anything, to make it largely not needed? Can the kind of change that is needed, ever come from the top down?
Exactly!
@@NRSmith lol what exactly is "elevated consciousness"?
9:48 Gayle King didn’t interrupt like she usually does because she knows what happens to your career when you stand up against a pro-lsraeli, even when they are dead wrong. There is no first amendment on mainstream networks when it comes to this issue.
You hit the nail on the head
Bingo
Exactly this and the mantra of there allegedly journalists. Factually accurate without hesitation.
20 seconds 🎉😅
Corporations control the media
The pure and beautiful way Ta-Nehisi Coates sees the world is absolutely beautiful.
He is just so thoughtful and always reflecting and introspecting. I have gained even more respect for him
If world leaders could sit around and have a conversation like this instead of posturing to impress their base, the world could be a wonderful place again. Thoughtfulness and honesty can produce miracles!
world leaders do. they’d like the western ones to come around to sanity and join them.
" You would do that to me if there was a because." Such a good conversation
Brilliant point
I absolutely loved connecting with that way of thinking about it.
Thank you Ta-Nehisi, Christiana, and Trevor for this inspiring podcast. It's easy for a Palestinian-American like me to speak of the atrocities that Israel's apartheid regime is inflicting on Palestinians , but it's a powerful message to the world when others see the injustice as well. I bought the book and I can't wait to read it and share it with my friends.
You’re not Palestinian. You are Arab.
The only apartheid happening in the Middle East is in every country not named Israel
That's why I as a white American insist on wearing my keffiyeh………
May I send absolute LOVE as a peace activist to Ta-Nehisi
Coates is my American hero. I’m an agonistic, but may any powers on some sort of spiritual level that may exist protect and bless this man
I would pay money to hear a conversation between TaNehisi and Isabel Wilkerson. . . humanitarians having an empathic conversation about humanity. We need more of this in the world. Thank you!
One hour, seven minutes and fourty three seconds just absolutely flew by.
It really did, but I so love the podcast era because we really get to hear how the guest really feel!!!!
Truly! This interview was like listening to a real conversation between friends. 💜
TRUTH!!
Had no idea that was an hour😂
Mr. Coates during that CBS interview, it reminded me of what taking control and being superior looks like. The interviewer from CBS stated, "Stip your name, your acolytes, and all that is you. Then he call you extremist."
The same thing is done when a person is enslaved. Strip a person of their name, their culture, and their humanity. Then rename them, never give them their humanity back, and then codify it so no matter where they go people will know not to treat them humanely because it will be law.
Powerfully said...
Well said 💯🧐👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thank you Ta-Nehisi for speaking up for Palestinians!
Maybe he can convince them to not elect another jihadist government
I’m a white woman. This conversation is so important for me. I send you 3 a heartfelt thank you for this conversation.
As a Humanist, I approve this podcast's honest awareness to our collective Humanity, and its very chill intellectualism. Thank you, and cheers!
This is the discussion Mr. Coates deserved. This was beautiful, deep, and food for my soul 🫶🏽
Now let's get a Palestinian voice on here as Ta-Nehisi Coates advocates for, long overdue
Yes!!!🌿🕊️
That won’t happen sadly, Trevor worries for fame and money over what’s right!
@@reemmanassra165you people are never ashamed to malign people.
@@reemmanassra165 mmm...didn't he LEAVE all that..?
But considering what Jon Stewart's doing right now, there, on Daily Show... MaybeTrevor could've just stayed and do politically gutsier stuff.
But, then again, what they let Jon do might not the same as what they'd let Trevor get away with...
@@reemmanassra165 Horseshit…
I am in intellectual shock by this interview....in a totally positive way. To sit and listen to 3 black people who not only have something to say, but even more so, had questions to ask of one another in a totally curious way, was a total vibe. In my opinion, curiosity is intelligence and we just sat and witnessed people who represent, through their experiences and curiosity, an inquisitive group of individuals who didn't/don't profess to have all the answers. They were able to express nuanced views of complex historical and present day issues, recognizing that they may not have operated any differently, with the systems that were prevalent at time. One of the best things I've watched in a really long time.
@@theroadlesstrav lol I'm concerned that you're shocked that black people are interacting like educated human beings...
@@JB-wh3we .....on TH-cam, context JB, context. It isn't what sells or is sexy on this platform.
@@theroadlesstrav ppl who watch TH-cam are seekers who have abandoned dishonest legacy media...for not doing what CBS actually did in that interviewing...asking probing questions that don't automatically grant the presuppositions of someone pushing an ideology...
@@theroadlesstravstop saying context when in your original comment you left out the context lol I would also assume the same thing, that you think black folks don’t usually have anything important to say.
@@sashao.1534, I didn't need to provide context when I was merely commenting on how great the conversation was. You can't read and understand that? I swear...you guys would find issue with someone giving a man dying of thirst, a sip of water. Unbelievable.
"This is my black podcast" is the best compliment. Great conversation!
Respect to everyone who is still a human defending humanity
Great conversation. Thank you for speaking of Palestinian struggle . Your collective humanity throughout this conversation was so inspiring. I was brought to tears often .As a Muslim Arab American I could relate with many of the things that were brought up . I also have a deeper appreciation for the African American and African experience. This all brought me to tears
Too bad African Americans can't relate much to you, since they never elected a jihadist government that thinks that its people are going to paradise for dying while battling infidels
I’d never, to my shame, heard of Ta-Nehisi until that infamous CBS interview (shame on CBS, but also, thank you). Now, I’ve placed an order of Ta-Nehisi’s book, The Message. I’m better informed, though I was already aware of the genocide going on in Gaza. But most of all, I got to know more about the tour de force that is Noura Ekarat. I’m so glad I subscribe to Spotify. It’s the best option as far as music. But it’s so much more content, like Trevor Noah’s podcast.
@@jpan7071 lol shame on CBS for doing a journalism!
I didn't know of him either. I'm buying his books as well. After listening to him, I'm sure I'll be a better person after reading them.
Yes how terrible for CBS to actually ask questions instead of kissing ass for an hour.
@@trevornewton2646 lol if you're going into it thinking it will "make you a better person" then you've got deeper issues than this book is gonna fix for ya. If you lack grounding it's only going to indoctricate into viewing ppl as collectives of colonizers/oppressors. I'd suggest some Jordan Peterson as a cleanse first
What was infamous about it?
Our context MATTERS so much. Stripping us of our whole self is the ONLY way to make us Not Matter. Tony wanted ALL the Contex for Israel and NONE for Palestine or Tanahesi . The ballzzzz of it
Right! There is a whole book to dig into. The attempt was so transparent.
Take the context away and you have two groups of people fighting, with the death toll being 1 to 50 in favour of Israel. So even without context it's damning as hell hahaha
Yea exactly, and the more you read about this conflict the worse Israel looks. Ta-Nehisi is unfortunately only scratching the surface, he mentioned the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem in other interviews about his book and if you go there they have documented the terrorist attacks Hamas has done but also ALL the horrors that Israel has put on the Palestinian people (ie. using Palestinians as literal human shields -> firing at targets from behind a Palestinian civilian)
Lol all the "contex", speaks volumes 🤣
Our presence is our message our suffering is our message,our history is our message ,our life is our message.
Destroy us and the message still stands,We are Yahuah is our message,No one can remove God.We are his Temple.
Ta-Nehisi is now a world conscious writer of our time by placing basic humanity on the spot light of inequality, racism, discrimination or racial profiling, wherever it lands. We all need to dismantle bias narratives in the world (Israel: racism,discrimination, apartheid, unfair access to opportunities) wherever oppression exists.
It's racist that the Arab citizens of Israel have the same rights as all the other citizens of Israel
tell me about unfair access to opportunities? you mean the opportunity of armoury smuggling? yes, by checking the air and sea Israel may filter those actions. What is unfair about it?
@@smajiszrael It's unfair that Palestinians are given permits to work in Israel, but Israelis aren't able to access economic opportunities in the Palestinian Territories
This might've been Coates's best interview about this book...ty Trevor
I love te-nehesi humility and honesty....he embodies the work he represents
Oh man this was absolutely brilliant Trevor. I’ve seen so many Ta-Nehisi interviews over the past few days, this was the first where I felt the whole book was discussed and not just the one chapter. Well done to you and your co-host! 👏🏽
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Every interview and with every book he proves he is indeed the James Baldwin of our generation.
He sure is!! I hear James every time he speaks and more so when he questions his own positions. Love them both!
Sometimes one thumbs up feels inadequate. Thank you for sharing this conversation
Such a brillant conversation. An hour felt like seconds. We need more of this Trevor. It feed my soul and brain.
This particular episode moved me to tears. The emotion, the honesty and the REAL exploration into the true meaning of life for many African Americans, Africans and other oppressed peoples was finally realized in a profound manner. The discussion was more meaningful to me because we heard the voices of three people who have experienced oppression in three different contexts, continents and cultures! This was truly like no other conversation and I listen to every show…thank you
I've been binging Ta-Nehisi Coates interviews and podcasts like mad the past few weeks. This conversation was elucidating and heartbreaking. He's got a fan for life.
This conversation was soul-nourishing. Intelligence, compassion, truth, deconstruction & inspiration. This needed another hour or two.
Wow, Trevor's parting words are incredible and brought tears to my eyes. Fantastic talk!
The most engaging discussion with Mr. Coates. Absolutely brilliant
Working as a black psychological anthropologist, I treasure conversations/perspectives like these. So much to learn from our own phenomenological views. Please make a part 2.
Folks are like you are needed even more now as the world tries to discover its self.we as black folk are the essence of empathy, and we can contribute so much to human growth if we will stand up and take our place.
TaNehisi expressed his thoughts about Gaza with such clarity. He is amazing. And he is making a difference.
A nuanced conversation one cannot hear elsewhere. Thank you to all the participants! The only agenda on the table was the truth.
Thank you Trevor for allowing the guest to speak and share his thoughts. Too many host limits the guest to speak in details.
The guest is the guest! Allow them more time to speak.
In a world without forgiveness, evil begets evil. When will the wars end? When will the corruption ends? When will the greed ends? When will enough is enough?
I’m a retired college English professor from Tennessee and Florida, conservative states in the Southeast. I enjoyed Between the World and Me, which I admired immensely as an open-ended intellectual journey. Some writers have everything plotted out, but I think the greatest literature is composed via inductive logic, in which you don’t know exactly where you’re going. I think this is the way you learn from writing, an experience you share with your reader. Mr. Coats is a writer like this. There’s always a search going on. Moreover, I see that even after the book is written, the journey continues. I know I’m not not the first to make the comparison (I think I am preempted by Toni Morrison, no less), but there’s a quality about Mr. Coast’s writing that is in the tradition of James Baldwin. After I finished Between the World, I went back and reread The Fire Next Time, and the quality is there, definitely. I am eager to read the new book. I’m a white guy, listening from the audience in more ways than one, but believe me, I was a voracious listener of this fascinating conversation.
The guy with the African name is from America and the two Black people from Africa have American names. This may seem insignificant, but it says so much about some of the subtext of this conversation. Loved every moment.
In the context here it’s important to clarify that Trevor and Christiana aren’t American names. Popular on the continent maybe but they are not names from America, Trevor for example is a Welsh name, christiana is a Latin name. This isn’t a dig by the way, but I think it’s important to point out ☺️
@@Nairah912 yes maybe I should’ve said Western names
@@Nairah912 absolutely thank you
Colonialism writ large still shows up in todays world in many various ways.
Does it? Are names immutable? Or can you go someplace and change your name in like a day?
A Liberian immigrant here, and I must say Mr. Ta-Nehisi Coates is just an awesome human being. May the good Lord protect him always 💕💕
If the good lord can find it in his heart to protect an beautiful moral and truth seeking atheist like Ta Nehisi Coates, then maybe this atheist would be finally willing to check out your good lord.
Trevor and Ta-nehisi are great thinkers
So far, this is the best interview I have ever seen in my entire life. It’s shown in a wide range of perspectives. There’s knowledge and passion all in one place. I was truly sad when it ended.
This interview should be shown in schools. This is how interviews should be done. It was actually more than an interview. Noah and the amazing interviewer were having a deep discussion about an important topic that doesn't get discussed in this manner. I enjoyed it very much.
All the love and respect for Mr. Coats. We need more humans like him.
A couple of notes I had issues with.
Noah said the Israeli in Israel don't get to watch and know what's going on in Gaza and the West Bank. Yes, they do. Each one of them serves in the army first of all. Secondly, they can get their news through other media than the Israeli TV. They heard of Tic Tok which many of them are on it. There is Facebook, Instagram and so on. No excuse.
The other point which the lady interviewer (sorry didn't get her name, but liked her) mentioned. Please you cannot compare those Jews who left their own home land in Morocco or Europe by choice to go to Israel with people who were forced to leave like us Palestinians. Judaism is a religion you can practice anywhere. It's not a nationality. Please don't compare. It's wrong. And if you ask many Jews move to Israel because they get offered free homes on my Palestinian land, get paid and enjoy the weather. I know what I am talking about. I am Palestinians. Free Palestine 🇵🇸.
I’ve been thinking about the African American apartheid and segregation and how it compares to the Palestinian apartheid and segregation and Ta-Nahisi finally has been the person to bring a lot of attention and talk about it.
It doesn’t compare at all.
Really insane they’re pushing this
@@IsitantisemiticZionists seem to be worse.
@@Isitantisemiticall segregation and Apartheid is white supremacist ideology
@@Isitantisemiticit does exactly that. You must not know the history of African American apartheid
I need more of this kind of conversation. More of this talk between African and African American. Love this.
I’m listening to Ta-Nehisi Coates on The Trevor Noah Show as he describes his experience in Gorée, Senegal, watching the ships that once transported enslaved people to the United States. He speaks about the astonishment he felt when, after all the effort to separate myth from reality, the beliefs we carry can still blur the line between the two, even when facing the truth.
As a psychiatrist in Manhattan, I can relate to this feeling. Despite my training and knowledge, I’m often struck by how easily I can be deceived by someone with antisocial personality disorder (a sociopath), even when I have prior information about their condition. It’s a reminder of how complex human perception and understanding can be.
There’s a six month waiting period at my library to check out his book. And nonfiction books never have a wait.
This has been - by far - the best interview I’ve ever experienced.
Finally a conversation with somebody who's opinion is valued, because this person digs deep and does serious research, not for fame, but for shedding light on the truth!
Let’s be honest… this needed a part 2. This needs to be a longer segment. We didn’t fully unpack the last part of this convo😩
@@presh804 it can't go too long bc it stops being interesting, even to sympathetic normies, when there's an agreement to avoid probing questions...
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I can honestly say that I loved every second of this video. The Palestinian cause owes a debt of gratitude to black people for verbalizing our struggle to the world in words they can relate to and understand. The immortal words of Nelson Mandela, who said, "Our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians" will forever ring true.
I’m sending this to all my Black friends! I was blessed by this Black is Human!❤
“Go And See,” I love it!!! Those are OUR marching orders!
I am so ashamed of myself for buying into the rumor that was all over social media claiming Trevor was a pro Israel Zionist. I was baldly hurt by that and now gladly badly mistaken. Thank you for this conversation and your humanity. Much love
Never believe it when you ear that. That’s just code for - ‘we must silence & discredit this person, because they’re going against the mainstream narrative!!
People were almost harassing Trevor about speaking on the matter for a year, not understanding that he was voluntarily removing himself from the conversation and they can not bully him into speaking.
He spoke about it when he felt he had to do it.
In the previous interview with a zionist he remained almost silent and let Christiana ask the hard questions and do the follow ups, because she is not only a great interviewer, but also someone who shares his point of view about the genocide.
He allowed a mild zionist to speak on his show so he can have that perspective, and then invited someone who shares his values and opinions and speak freely about it.
People like to jump to conclusions too quickly.
@@lidialondresa mild Zionist!?
@@lidialondreshow are people jumping into conclusions quickly. Trevor’s claim to fame was based on a book (born a crime) that was entirely based on the subject of apartheid. People look up to him. It took him an entire year and thousands dead to speak on the subject that he is an expert on. People were disappointed in him for the right reasons.
Trevor has made some antisemitic comments quite a few years ago.
He got to where he is due to his skin color and background, because the talent simply isn't there.
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL! That segment about Ryan going to Soweto resonated with me as I felt the same way the first time I went to South Africa in 2003. I always said when I was in South Africa, I understood how white people feel in America the way that EVERYTHING is centered on you!!!! Thanks for making this podcast!
I could’ve listened to at least another hour of this conversation
I say this in with pure white woman self-interest: Everything about this conversation shows me how necessary an education in the Humanities is to our humanity. Thank y'all so much for this. 💜
Thank you Trevor Noah. You have won my heart again. And thank you Mr. Coates for standing up for what is right and for speaking the truth and for caring so deeply for other humans. Totally indebted to you.
It is criminal that this is my first time listening in. What a refreshing corner of the internet.
“If we take context from anything, it can go anywhere!”
American politicians and media have forgotten this fundamental common sense.
Coates points out the same critical truth the Apostle Paul stated, "but for the grace of God, there go I". Everyone needs that self-awareness and humility.
Perfectly stated
I’m here for Ta-Nehisi Coates, his book, him standing up clearly with Palestine, and for what happened to him on that interview 💚❤️🖤✌🏼🇵🇸 can’t wait to receive The Message!
Wow!!!!!! This conversation was so good; I just loved Trevor’s last statement
I have watched CBS nearly every morning for years. I have become fond of Tony. And then this interview happened and it reminded me of the times I’ve been in a work space with white people I thought liked and respected me who then undermine my Black experience any time I brought up something negative that happened because of my race… Tony did exactly what we needed him to do. We know oppression exists. We underestimate what oppression looks like in our seemingly harmless everyday interactions. That interview was a perfect example of just that.
I then bought the book because of HOW Ta-Nehisi responded. I aspire to respond as beautifully as he did to such a disheartening moment to his work and perspective.
I have now finished the book and I am more enlightened than I ever expected to be about both Palestinian and Israeli issues and even my own challenges as a Black woman and the white America I exist in. Ta-Nehisi did exactly what we needed him to do in being the intellect and empath that it took to write this book and contribute to positive change in humanity. Well done and great timing! 👏🏾
love how surprised he was that she actually read the book. he seemed so happy to hear somebody focus on that part of the book
I miss the Trevor we had before he went to America. The one who spoke truth to power in an unbiased way I feel you are on your way back. Thank you Trevor, your fellow South African❤️.
This discussion made me cry , especially describing what's happening in Isreal from the Holocaust perspective. The victim has truly become the Villian
Word, it seems like he felt more open, or was more encouraged, to return to his more relentless, thoughtfully critical self here
Yes, I kept on wondering why Trevor, who makes a living by talking, has nothing publicly to say about the plight of the Palestinians, particularly because of his lived experiences in S Africa.
Hopefully his guest might inspire him to pluck up some courage and air his views. The truth about the Palestinian gen-cide must become mainstream especially from those who experienced Apartheid firsthand and who is privileged enough to have a wide platform
@@fatigahjardine1022Trevor Noah, doesn't lack courage.
You, on the other hand, need to learn to observe, listen and sharpen your comprehension and rational analytical skills before bloviating.
Noah's position on Palestine has never changed, it can't, he's a child of Apartheid.
@@petes9524 but he’s been quite.
if one is quite about the oppressed then it is perceived as implicit agreement with the status quo
@@KOZ-k1pTrevor is South African. A child of apartheid. He can never be Pro Zionist. He knows our South African history of apartheid, and how Israel is complicit in apartheid crimes here in SA.90% of us South Africans support Palestine. The 10% that support racists are the same racists that tried to exterminate is with the help of Israel.
We need more and more of this to become viral on every platform in existence.
Listening to this for a second time. There is so much to take from this discussion. Very thoughtful.
As a black South American who grew up in the US I feel so seen by both the American and African perspective because a lot of us live in between these two world.
@@dianacuero5889 I feel the same way as a black American
Excuse me, as a non-Israeli, non-Jewish religious and ethnic minority with roots in the Levant - you know nothing about the middle east. Arabs and Muslims makeup the majority of the region, hold all of the positions of power and are very much the white people of that part of the world.
It's so sad that you allowed society to strip you off your ancestry. You call yourself "black American" 😢 Clearly you are lost as to who you are
🇬🇾I concur
As you should be. Your heritage and general background should be respected no less than the majority's.
I loved the discussion about the relationship between Africans and Black Americans. It's complicated and beautiful.
It's the same relationship between all of us they want to divide all of us, but we are the same❤
This conversation feels like a prayer. I love this. Thank you.
Congratulations on your beautiful book!
@@nathg.1855 since Marxism/Communism is a religion...that tracks
Proud Howard graduate here; I ran into Ta-Nehisi Coates on the campus one summer maybe in 2018?, and was star struck; I had just finished “Between the World and Me“, and was in a phase where I was still grappling with my own identity. Fun fact, I was in a car with my friend, who was actually a 6th generation descendant of Harriet Tubman that day 🥰 but anyway, I managed to utter my words of admiration towards his Book and how inspiring it was.
I am west-african originally and can relate to all 3 panelists, having lived in the US for 20+ years. And I believe the unresolved emotional feeling Mr. Coates is sensing us that feeling of loss, because we did lose each other. There was a former faculty member who worked at the Howard University school of education, opened a panel discussion by saying something along the lines of “while Americans were enslaved, those who remained were colonized”! And I recall thinking “YES… yes, that’s it!” Us Africans, who stayed behind also had our version of an oppressive reality we were dealing with.
Gosh, I wish there was an audience to this podcast where I could chime in. This podcast also took me to a conversation Trevor had on Jay’s podcast where, I don’t know if you remember, you were discussing what the feeling of “Home” was, and Trevor, I loved your answer, because you said that home means something that is “familiar”, which is how you were able to explain or justify why you got along with people in India when you visited the country, and caught yourself joking, and understanding their humor; you said it was because it was “familiar”. That podcasts is one of my favorite ones, along with this one here with Mr. Coates.
I also loved seeing Mr. Coates so relaxed, he should definitely visit more of Africa because we are a people full of hospitality, we love people and yes, we do tend to be relaxed and get comfortable around people we like 😅 🇹🇬🇧🇫
I also relates to this conversation because I lived in Saudi Arabia When I was in middle school and my siblings and I have a lot of friends from the Middle East and North Africa. It is a really difficult time for us, and is it a true brotherhood and sisterhood. Hopefully this genocide ends soon! But Trevor, you are right- it takes a different, self-conscious minded person to wanna question their own reality and want to seek the truth ♥️🌹 I believe I am one of those people, because of my exposure, I mean different cultures.
Anyway, keep up the great work. I loved this.
“What if we had power?” …..I’m humbled and grateful for the challenge to the limits of my humanity
So interesting, as someone who was born in Germany and grew up in Canada from the age of two, at 21 in 1972 on a trip to my grandparents In Germany I grappled with my guilt as a child for The Holocaust. As my best friend growing up was Jewish I tried to understand how the holocaust could have happened. When confronting my grandparents who lived close to the French border they were so sorrowful and ashamed and they professed not knowing. In their rural part of Germany, Hitler just meant that the trains were running on time again. Thanks to the 3 of you for such a vulnerable conversation. We need compassion for All.
But not for hierarchies. Such systems have brought about every single great bloodshed in human history.
The people at the top need to go, completely seperate from identity politics, with _very_ few exceptions.
I`m German and a few years ago I red my Grandmas diary she wrote during WW2 (on my dads side). And I knew her as a child. In these diary entries between the horror and terror of war were sentences like "what has happened to the proud German military? How could it come this far?" And to this day I`m squaring the kind elderly lady that loved sneaking her grandson sweets my mom wouldn`t allow with someone who both lived through that horror but also who supported the 3rd Reich.
And this goes to a sentence Mr. Coates said early: "Can I guarantee that I wouldn`t be taken in by such thoughts if I was the one suffering? I can`t!" My Grandma was a young woman who was enamored by the idea of the strapping lads in a military you could be proud of. She lived in a country that (for her as a white Christian German) was improving life ... until for her the foreign soldiers came and everything turned to horror. How many things would I look past to retain that bliss? I know I`m looking past many injustices in the world because living in a wealthy peaceful 1st world country is pretty sweet. Coming back to Mr. Coates sentence: Can I guarantee you where I would draw the line if I was in danger? I don`t think I can.
And I think I owe it to my passed Grandmother to afford her this kind of understanding at least.
@@DarkHarlequin it doesn't completely work the way you say. Remember who the aggressors were in WW1.
Yes, France was completely awful before then, but the problem in ALL of these examples is that the victims sat and took stock in peacetime, then went on the _offensive._
@@Virjunior01 You misunderstand the point slightly. The point is that the causes can be a 1000 things, imagined or real, justified or unfair. But to the normal people living life every day, we see what`s in front of us, we value what happens to your loved ones and what we can feel. People IN a war don`t get the luxury of philosophical debate of who was the aggressor whos in the right whos in the wrong. We just live our lives telling ourselves the stories that reflect how we see/want to see reality. And then when we`re suddenly in it it`s just survival and rage and fear and despair.
Everybody thinks they are the victim when they are suffering or lose something, Regardless of how you gained the things before and what other may have done to justify your suffering now.
@@DarkHarlequin what _you're_ missing is that it's short-sighted.
We live in a world where we can see all these things happening, and hear these stories from the people who live them without having to go there ourselves.
We are not there ourselves. However, how did people attending the DNC react when faced with things we could ALL see? _They covered their ears, literally._ And before that, when progressives were saying Biden was sundowning for years? They _ignored it,_ until his horrid debate performance.
We don't need to be there, and pretending we are justified in avoiding reality or placing our own comfort above literal ethnic cleansing is straight up n@zi sympathizer shit.
Spirit Fed, Questions Answered, Thoughts Provoked, Book Bought - Bravo!!!!!
Hey Trevor can we get a part 2 of this? I Just love the conversation, the honest curiosity about just being a human being with context. Love it.
I had this saved in my watch later for about a week and did not disappoint. The scream I screampt at the ending was chefs kiss
Thank you Trevor Noah. You have created a platform for real discussions. I am praying for a part 2, I felt the three of you were just getting started. Can’t wait to read both of your newly released books.