Have We Missed The Message? with Ta-Nehisi Coates | What Now? with Trevor Noah Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2024
- Bestselling author Ta-Nehisi Coates joins myself and Christiana to discuss his new book about how the stories we tell, and the ones we don’t, shape our realities. We also unpack the jaw-dropping CBS interview that followed the book’s release, and our elusive search as a people to see the humanity in others.
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My blogger friend Nate Heintz.
The way you ended the podcast was brilliant. I hope Tony Dokoupil sees it and reflects on what he said.
This was a great episode, it touched on so many key points with how people are viewed and how people view things. It was great that this podcast was not bias, and actually allowed Mr. Coats to speak about his views with out trying to make him look bad for writing about his experiences. Thank you all for the content, it’s greatly appreciated.😊
You are on fire. I love and appreciate it.
I got suckered thinking this was an independent podcast, not a corporate gig. I can't fucking believe Trevor framed Israel as having "the burden of the good guy". Fuck right off Trevor
Black media is so critical. The contrast between this interview and what I witnessed on CBS was palpable. Tony hijacked that interview and actually did a disservice to himself by not disclosing he had close connections to people currently living in Israel. Mr. Coates is a class act for not disparaging that ambush.
"Man enough" to ridicule, not Man enough to pre-emptively state his bias...
Every time I watch CBS News in the morning with Gayle King, she always tends to interrupt or cut in every time they are interviewing. But the fact that during the interview with Coates, she managed to stay silent, almost the entire time blows my mind and speaks volumes about that interview.
I think she was in shock, to be honest. Just because she was there and experienced it in real time, didn't mean she wasn't blindsided. The one time she did try to interject, Ta-Nehisi was trying to finish his point. That interview was an ambush.
and what about Nate? Why aren't we having the same energy/thoughts for Nate? I thought Ta-Nehisi handled it extremely well.
@@theroadlesstravit was definitely an ambush
@@yaszit2210I don’t understand what Nate has to do with this. I made a comment about my observation of Gayle King’s unusual silence in an interview, that was more of an ambush than an interview, when clearly the book in its last chapter seemed to emphasize more of the history of Jewish people than the horror that Palestinians are currently experiencing. So could you clarify what Nate has to do with the point I made?
Why do you think she did that? Maybe intimidation or fear of appearing supportive of a popular or unpopular viewpoint?
“This is my black podcast!” God I’m loving Trevor Noah’s and Ta-Nehisi’s fearless conversation. Let’s protect and embrace these men using their platforms to open eyes that have been closed for so long.
Not for nothing but I thought Christiana more than held her own here.
This warms my heart! I smiled through the entire episode!!! Hearing young black people with the exposure, intelligence, experience and elevated consciousness engage in discussions with caring foresight about life and humanity is just exhilarating to this 72 year old African American!! I am in awe of each individual at the table! Continue "being" the light!! Keep expanding...relish the opportunity to "go and see." Keep your minds open, hearts filled with kindness and stay courageous!!! I am so proud to know your "light" is out here in this world!! I feel your radiance and it warms my heart! ❤
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Thank you for saying so eloquently what I was having a hard time putting into words! Well said, my friend. 👏🏽
There is the old and simple concept of a 'peace-dividend'. Would you care to promote/advocate for it, to and for all the people of the world? Isn't the harm that the environment is doing to us enough harm, for us to endure? If woke individuals can be so idealistic to call for the abolishment of police and prisons, why not the same be asked of us as far as the crimes we commit, and the harm we do to one another. Why is their idealism so narrowly focused? Why are they so inconsistent in applying wholistic, structural, and systemic approaches to problems? Isn't the best way to defund anything, to make it largely not needed? Can the kind of change that is needed, ever come from the top down?
Exactly!
I’d never, to my shame, heard of Ta-Nehisi until that infamous CBS interview (shame on CBS, but also, thank you). Now, I’ve placed an order of Ta-Nehisi’s book, The Message. I’m better informed, though I was already aware of the genocide going on in Gaza. But most of all, I got to know more about the tour de force that is Noura Ekarat. I’m so glad I subscribe to Spotify. It’s the best option as far as music. But it’s so much more content, like Trevor Noah’s podcast.
I’ve been thinking about the African American apartheid and segregation and how it compares to the Palestinian apartheid and segregation and Ta-Nahisi finally has been the person to bring a lot of attention and talk about it.
It doesn’t compare at all.
Really insane they’re pushing this
@@IsitantisemiticZionists seem to be worse.
@@Isitantisemiticall segregation and Apartheid is white supremacist ideology
@@Isitantisemiticit does exactly that. You must not know the history of African American apartheid
Being an African American male from Missouri at a time when certain places I couldn’t even go , having sun down towns yea they’re real. Being depicted anything less than human and being seen as a threat to put it in a better perspective I remember my parents crying when ML King
died . I feel for the Palestinians because because only white supremacy would allow Europeans to come and dehumanize them and take land their family had for centuries.
Most Jews aren't white, they're Arab.
There's no racial group on earth that hasn't had empires/conquests.
Israel became a country after a vote from the UN. Not because of colonizing. Colonizers have somewhere to go back to.
Trevor and Ta-Nehisi are great as usual but there is something so special about Christiana. Her insight, thoughtfulness and the eloquent way she expresses herself blows me away. I'm in awe of her mind. Her explanation of bleaching really connected thoughts I had floating in my mind but never really put together. A genius
Yes!
the bleaching is not specific to Africa but also to Asia.The colonizer being powerful (social status) was correlated to his whitness and this became, unconsciously a trait to look for.The faireness of the skin is still associated to beauty, social status and affluence. Rich people, will stay inside and protect themselves from the sun and having a dark skin meant you were poor/working class. In the street and on beaches in Asia, you can see women completely covered even under unbearable heat.
First time heard her, she is fantastic.
@Mimi-jv4kl , I definitely had this EXACT thought when she said it. That the acceptable color of skin isn't just something that has affected Africans, but affected Asians as well. It is the reason you see Asian women with umbrellas in the sun. To be of color is to be lesser than, societally, in their culture, also.
100%.
I much prefer her analysis than Trevor's.
She's a deep critical thinker.
Love that Last note from Trevor , if everything was removed the book would be in the backpack of someone who sees humanity.
A Liberian immigrant here, and I must say Mr. Ta-Nehisi Coates is just an awesome human being. May the good Lord protect him always 💕💕
Our context MATTERS so much. Stripping us of our whole self is the ONLY way to make us Not Matter. Tony wanted ALL the Contex for Israel and NONE for Palestine or Tanahesi . The ballzzzz of it
Right! There is a whole book to dig into. The attempt was so transparent.
Take the context away and you have two groups of people fighting, with the death toll being 1 to 50 in favour of Israel. So even without context it's damning as hell hahaha
Yea exactly, and the more you read about this conflict the worse Israel looks. Ta-Nehisi is unfortunately only scratching the surface, he mentioned the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem in other interviews about his book and if you go there they have documented the terrorist attacks Hamas has done but also ALL the horrors that Israel has put on the Palestinian people (ie. using Palestinians as literal human shields -> firing at targets from behind a Palestinian civilian)
Lol all the "contex", speaks volumes 🤣
I love te-nehesi humility and honesty....he embodies the work he represents
Protect this man at all cost!
I am in intellectual shock by this interview....in a totally positive way. To sit and listen to 3 black people who not only have something to say, but even more so, had questions to ask of one another in a totally curious way, was a total vibe. In my opinion, curiosity is intelligence and we just sat and witnessed people who represent, through their experiences and curiosity, an inquisitive group of individuals who didn't/don't profess to have all the answers. They were able to express nuanced views of complex historical and present day issues, recognizing that they may not have operated any differently, with the systems that were prevalent at time. One of the best things I've watched in a really long time.
I loved the discussion about the relationship between Africans and Black Americans. It's complicated and beautiful.
It's the same relationship between all of us they want to divide all of us, but we are the same❤
This conversation feels like a prayer. I love this. Thank you.
Congratulations on your beautiful book!
I knew nothing about Mr. Ta-Nehisi Coates at first other than his interview on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and then the contentious CBS interview about his book and I am grateful for this conversation of depth and quality with Trevor Noah. It voices many thoughts I have had throughout the years with regards to American imperialism and colonialism and the legacy that violence can leave in all people. I look forward to reading it. Thank you.
Finally a conversation with somebody who's opinion is valued, because this person digs deep and does serious research, not for fame, but for shedding light on the truth!
Yes. Ta-Nehisi Coates GETS it. Thank you for giving voice to the simultaneous horror and understanding of why Oct. 7 occurred. Some of us DO understand it. But yes, we also curtail our empathy and compassion to live our lives. THAT is the rub.
As a black South American who grew up in the US I feel so seen by both the American and African perspective because a lot of us live in between these two world.
@@dianacuero5889 I feel the same way as a black American
This was such a powerful, insightful & beautiful conversation. I could have listened to hours & hours of these three talking. What a gift.
Oh man this was absolutely brilliant Trevor. I’ve seen so many Ta-Nehisi interviews over the past few days, this was the first where I felt the whole book was discussed and not just the one chapter. Well done to you and your co-host! 👏🏽
This was a great conversation/ episode, hopefully there is a part 2 at some point in time
Stunning conversation. Humanity, compassion n ❤️. This made emotional. Need to continue the conversation. Thanks ❤️
These are really decent, reasonable, thoughtful, and sympathetic human beings. Thank you. ❤
The guy with the African name is from America and the two Black people from Africa have American names. This may seem insignificant, but it says so much about some of the subtext of this conversation. Loved every moment.
In the context here it’s important to clarify that Trevor and Christiana aren’t American names. Popular on the continent maybe but they are not names from America, Trevor for example is a Welsh name, christiana is a Latin name. This isn’t a dig by the way, but I think it’s important to point out ☺️
@@Nairah912 yes maybe I should’ve said Western names
@@Nairah912 absolutely thank you
Let’s be honest… this needed a part 2. This needs to be a longer segment. We didn’t fully unpack the last part of this convo😩
Ta'nehisi Coates gave a Master Class in response rather than reaction to an attack on CBS. It was pure Verbal Aikido. He continues to exemplify a grounded, solid integrity with an open, kind heart. 🙏🏽 Thank you Trevor and Christiana for holding the space for this interview and for your own expressions of grounded, thoughtful integrity and care. I want to read everything thing that Coates ever wrote and the book Christiana mentioned. Deep Bows of Gratitude and Awe. Processing and communicating like this is the path to peace for humanity. I really mean that. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🪷
TaNehisi expressed his thoughts about Gaza with such clarity. He is amazing. And he is making a difference.
Everyone please share this video around. This deserves more eyes. A million + views.
When you are prepared to unlearn everything, your humanity develops as your tainted lens dissipates. What an enlightenment from these great minds and humans. Epic!! Thank you.
MANDELA: "NONE OF US ARE FREE UNTIL PALESTINIANS ARE FREE"
What an incredible conversation between 3 incredible human beings. The genuine connection between the 3 of you brought me to tears. More power to all of you.
Been waiting for this nuanced discussion since 'that' CBS interview. Looking forward to reading the book.
The 3 different perspectives was a conversation that needed to be had. Bravo sir. Great show!
A great conversation rooted in who we are to each other. I really appreciate the way Mr. Trevor ended it: "If everything was removed, the book would be in the backpack of someone who sees humanity". Thank you all!
Such a good episode! Definitely felt like more of a conversation than an interview. The engagement was top-tier.
I was struck by the conversation of bleaching that occurs among the Senegal people and reflecting on Trevor's response, and Ta-Nehisi's confusion. Why is it that those from an African nation or from my perspective a predominately black nation still strive to be like an African American when they live in a place where they are "everything?" I hope I can articulate this well. But speaking as an Afro-Caribbean woman, I don't think that is intentional. I believe it's because it's just "is" to live that way. Seeing others who look like us being, what you may consider "everything" is so normal, that when introduced to something that is not the norm, you have an encounter with "more", to a range that you didn't know existed. So it builds curiosity, an avenue in life that goes beyond your community. Ta-Nehisi is looking from a perspective that doesn't allow that, which I think it makes difficult to fathom the thought of wanting and striving for that. Almost like "the grass is always greener on the other side" kinda deal.
It's honestly hard to put into words because it's so instinctual to live this way. But I think Trevor's story at the end really puts that perspective, or better, that feeling into words.
Oh, you reject the idea that colonialism has infected actually not just the Senegalese or African-Americans with the entire people of color that lighter skin is better? Colorism is a problem in all groups with brown skin.
Wow, incredible. I'm glad I listened through and learned more about the Black experience here and abroad. And what a way to end the interview! 🤣👏🏼
Free Palestine! ❤️
Must-see conversation that everyone should be sharing online...Churches should be watching this discussion, and unpacking it, because its message speaks to our souls.
Awesome thought provoking and nuanced conversation. I loved this after seeing how Ta-Nehisi was treated in the CBS interview. Thank you for this.
The latter part of this conversation when they get into the differences/similarities of African & African-American struggles is so profound. This is where the conversation on healing the strife between Africans & African-Americans needs to fundamentally start---the damage that slavery, Jim Crow, colonialism, apartheid, etc. have had on us as a collective. Even if it's beginning by talking through our enduring scars (e.g., colorism in West African communities today, and police relations in Black communities in America), as opposed to the fixation on our differences and where we wrong each other.
As an African who grew up in West Africa and also experienced teenage/young adult years as a young Black body in America, the nuance across that part of conversation was so palpable & refreshing to hear as they unpacked it to each other.
We've all been damaged in different ways, some admittedly caused by our own hands within our global Black/African community, but a more significant portion caused by our oppressors/colonizers/etc. We can start dismantling some of these (and helping each other grow) by just sharing space and sharing our stories. We have way more to benefit from communing with each other than retreating to our respective corners.
For instance, there's so much for Africans to benefit from the teachings of Malcolm & Martin that we haven't been sufficiently exposed to in our fight against our warped sense of self/beauty. And ironically in that same vein, there's so much African-Americans can benefit from connecting with African culture to evolve their perspective and sense of self (like Ryan Coogler's experience).
Well said.
Hey Trevor can we get a part 2 of this? I Just love the conversation, the honest curiosity about just being a human being with context. Love it.
He’s awesome and congratulations on the new book! 👏🏽
Ta-Nehisi has shot up my list of my favorite Bison. Really enjoy listening to him speak.
Bison?
@@BonjourP He went to Howard University. Their mascot is the Bison.
Only part way through the episode and can’t express enough how much I love this conversation.
I have such respect for this man
All I can say is thank you for having this conversation in this manner. If only more of the world was able to get there.
Came for Ta-Nehisi Coates' and Trevor's discussion on Palestine, stayed for a surprisingly moving conversation about blackness and Black identity.
WOW, the best conversation I didn't know I wanted to watch! Literally the Triangle of the diaspora with so much to say about all the things we experience and feel but don't talk about enough. This is a top class podcast session!
Absolutely magnificent discussion.
Trevor's best interview on this podcast. Wish it was longer. Very Frantz Fanon-esque. Love it
Its our faith that when you see injustice stop it with your hands, if you can’t speak against it, if you can’t then just believe in your heart that it’s wrong ( this is the weakest of the faith). Here you folks have an opportunity to speak against it. You did a good job. Please don’t excuse yourself from this responsibility that has been given to you.
I’m absolutely ready for this one 🫶🏻💕🙌🏼
Same here!
Got my coffee! I’m locked in!
“I rarely get angry on other peoples behalf’s” thissss
Man, rich dialogue!!! Thanks for taking our consciousness to levels untouched!
Ethics hard at work. I appreciate all the work being done and the language being used here.
Just bought the book thanks to CBS interview! Life is precious irrespective of ethnicity.
Absolutely amazing.❤
I wish i get the chance to just sit in the room and just listen to you guys.
Time beautifully spent… Bravo👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Ta-Nehisi is brilliant.
This is such a beautiful conversation with many crucial points of discussion for folks across the African Diaspora and beyond.
I listen to as many of these podcasts as I can but this is among my top 3! Really great, I felt a part of the discussion since I am a Caribbean woman in my 50s.
Don't you just love it when you hear, "My family and I weren't here then, we didn't own slaves, why should we pay?" The Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921, where a white mob killed an estimated 300 Black residents and destroyed the thriving Greenwood district, is a prime example of the injustice faced by Black Americans throughout U.S. history. Despite documented evidence, survivors who are now 100+ years old, have been denied reparations. This, along with countless other instances of racial violence like the Atlanta Race Massacre and the Elaine Massacre, highlights the need for marginalized groups to tell their own stories to ensure accurate historical accounts, as captured in the African proverb: "Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter." Thank you for sharing your experience and giving us a glimpse into the crisis and stories of the innocent Palestinians. Purchased your book today!
The ones who say "My family and I weren't here then, we didn't own slaves, why should we pay?" conveniently leave out the fact that they benefit from the system that the enslavement of Africans built. From the Fugitive Slave Laws, Black Codes to Jim Crow, those laws manifested into gerrymandering, redlining, disparate treatment at every level of society, impeding generational wealth and the overall physical/mental health of Black people. Hell yeah, there should be reparative justice to somewhat abate the impacts of continuous systemic racism.
There are many race massacres. My family was directly involved in one in Pierce, Missouri and the early 1900s. I think the idea of represent reparations will be contested, more and more because of the changes in the American population. Black folks are not a majority or nearly a majority. America continues to be a country populated by immigrants, many of whom come from really tough lives, who arrived in America. Many of those immigrants are beginning to make up the majority population in America. They will have had no part in the history of this country, but may become the Americans, that black Americans will be asking to vote on reparations. It will be interesting.
Great in-depth conversation. Thanks to all of you! 👏🏻👏🏽👏🏿👏🫶🏼
I appreciate the different shaded hands. Really nice touch! 💚
Most don't realize that slavery in the Americas gradually evolved into colonialism in Africa. While slavery was being abolished and the United States was becoming independent, the European colonial powers started to intensify laying their stakes on different parts of Africa for resource control.
💯 colonialism = slavery of the mind
Probably perfect person to interview him now
.."if you remove the context, everything has no context".. ✨
left daily show for this stress free setting!
I agree that the book didn't seem that radical to me.. I love so much about this book, but especially how Ta-Nehisi describes his books - simply brilliant. This is a book for writers and telling your truth and it's so crazy how people are missing this.. but that's a bit of what he talks about in the book as well.
Omg I love all his books I've read them all and they are required African American history literature course reading in Oakland California Merritt College Amen and this is an amazing interview
Amazing dialogue and shared perspectives.
Top conversation 👏
This conversation makes me to say; Thank GOD ALMIGHTY for HIS Light upon men. Light that gives them to ask the rights questions at the right time🙌🏾!
Mr. Noah, before your host said it at the end, I thought you gave him the moment of a lifetime to have a freeing conversation. Great work, Sir. You always have our support and admiration🎉🎉🎉!!!
This conversation helps the listener to navigate on the honest road of seeing oneself and others as worth existing and enjoying life the Lord has given equally. Then we may get to avoiding initiating injustices, or perpetrating them. I love that you all agree that "there is no because" that stands when it comes to evil. Then it justifies it all the time. We loved it👍🏾.
For the authors (journalists, reporters, writers, broadcasters, hosts, ect), there is a vital need to always say what is. The Truth saves from the consequences related to our ambassador mission. Who reports is an ambassador. An ambassador bears the mission. They are part of it. Evil will always come at what is said. Being in the Truth will allow the ambassador to stand. A simple way to separate the reporter thoughts from the report is using: direct quotes (means the words are not from us, but reported as heard). And always be ready to answer to any questions or accusations related to our work.
Great job Mr. Noah🎉🎉🎉 This edition was masterclass. We all fell like in a therapy session.
Keep it on, Sir🙌🏾.
Trevor you just got the right man to make us realize how devastating the situation in Gaza is. In America the information lies is so powerful that no one seem to get it here. Fake news is killing them here.
Great interview. It does deserve a mention that Egypt is heavily involved in the Sudan Civil War, and Egypt receives the second most US funding after Israel. $90B of it is military funding.
Best discussion ever! Thank you!
as an Israeli expat I can only say, yes it is absolutely apartheid. Like Trevor says the difference is only in the "because" and the because in Israel's case is (or was at least) for reasons of self defence, so that's obviously a crucial difference and creates a very difficult conundrum. But it doesn't change the fact that there is apartheid.
This episode brings me joy, tears,hope all at once. Thank you for hosting great conversation ❤
Where has your voice been this past year Trevor Noah!!!
He gets a life of his own.
This discussion was everything! I will be purchasing this book for my own eyes to delve into...
As a muslim immigrant growing up in America, I always felt welcome by the African American community. I never understood why until I learned about the US history.
Wow what a great and interesting episode this was so much to take in and great points made I've got the book and can't wait to read it
Such an important episode. To Christiana's point, about the horrors of westernized beauty standards, and the double effects women face as the result of colonialism, that topic deserves its own whole episode. The intersection of racism and sexism, is no small thing and effects so many women around the world who don't see themselves represented as beautiful , which is unfortunately and wrongfully essentially how womanhood has also come to be limitedly defined.
18min in and I'm know this conversation, episode and podcast is so necessary.
Thank you Ta Nehasi, there is no Biblical precedent for murder. When religious people try to justify killing it makes my chest tight.
Thank you. I will be processing this impactful, illuminating conversation for some time…grateful.
This is such an incredible conversation.
Trevor, I've missed you.
Engaging. Insightful. Brilliant !!!
Trevor.....BRAVO!!
Ryan Coogler in Soweto "...a gift to see yourself as anything and everything..." speaks to my experience and why I am who I am...comfortable in my skin, my wants, my worth, my desires...it's because I grew up in segregated American where "I saw myself as anything and everything.." just a matter of what I chose to be - ...
In South Africa from 1963, the youth decided to take up arms as a form of resistance (uMkhonto we Sizwe-MK, Azanian Liberation Army-AZANLA & Azanian People's Army). These were forces that came up due to a regime that went on a killing spree of people who voiced their discontent. 1976 generation took over and the 'terrorism' word was used turning a blind eye to terrorist colonialists the above organisations were actually fighting. So, in short, those of us who experience apartheid know it from afar. It is what it is.
Thank you for sharing this. Absolutely amazing!
Thank you, Trevor! 🙏🏾
Thank you!!!❣👏💯
What is the root of this kinship? Yes....this is what must be excavated, interrogated.........dug up and turned over. Just so glad we have brilliant global black people having high level conversations in an unapologetically safe space. Aluta continua!
I have so much respect for this man🙏
I feel like I'm watching an episode of a modern day, "Like It Is."
We, the Black community need mow of this.