Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 vs A17 Pro - Apple's in BIG Trouble..
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Qualcomm just revealed the new Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and it's taking the tech world by STORM, by actually BEATING the A17 Pro chip. Let me explain..
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Honestly despite I use apple products, I’m not upset at this. This should give apple a reason to not be lazy and at least try to develop better chips than their competitors
In last year
You mean like they have every year…
@@IronsWHUandroid chips were no where near the bionic ones. They were 1~2 years behind but since apple is so generous that they used the same chip for 3 generation wating for android to catch up.
Apple’s solution is raising prices to improve their margins.
@@shlokshah5379 Shows how much you know. Not only have they upgraded the chips every year, this year the A17 is the first chip in a smart phone to have 3nm architecture! Not sure that constitutes as lazy or using the same chip..
Just a correction: 8 Gen 3 uses LPDDR5X Memory clocked at 4800MHz (9600Mbps) which means the bandwidth is 76.8GB/s not just 64 like you stated in 7:45
Not all models. Most will use 4266MHz and that's a problem because Mediatek will have just LPDDR5T at home in the Vivo x100 Pro.
Really surprised by the 8 Gen 3. It's a monster of a chip. Can't wait to see it in consumer devices
The quest 3 pro will definitely will have something like that, can't wait for that since the quest 3 is already quite decent as a VR headset for the price.
I've got an iPhone and I like Apple in general but there's a lot of features that iPads don't really have that Samsung has integrated into their version of Android (like DeX)
It'll be especially cool to see in tablets.
Im really finding a lot of things to like about my Tab S6 Lite (2022), so if these come to a future tablet from Samsung that'd be quite tempting. Even if resale or software support isn't as good as Apple.........
When putting that chip into a gaming phone I believe the performance will be even better
@@pinksnowbirdie2938the ability to not download Apks is a big deal breaker for me.
Apple isn’t in trouble. Performance isn’t all that matters. But it’s great to see that competition is driving Qualcomm to develop better chips. The consumer is the great winner.
Yeah but the problem is android 14 and other software like one ui is better now
@@Lolllllllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzz That's bs. I like iOS so much better, which is getting better, and I have less and less interest in going back to Android, which I've used for years. So the problem is only in your head and passing off wishful thinking as reality.
@@_sa3 my head? I think the world has that issue, dont know which type of rock u been living under but ios 17 has heating issues and u havent tried android after 2020 which explains tbh
@@_sa3 Fanboy much?
@@Lolllllllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzz To be fair the heating issues are resolved now.
If Apple goes for a 8 cores they should add 2 mid cores so that the performance isn’t to power hungry. Plus I think with tsmc 3nm design was rushed because of how new it was for tsmc to begin making it. I think next year will be the year Apple will take advantage of 3nm. Either way Apple needs to also add a vapor chamber for cooling or some other technology to allow the device to sustain better performance without reaching the limits of heat thus hindering performance and screen brightness. They have a lot of thinking after how the public is less satisfied and better competition is shrinking the gap.
Next year Qualcomm will also use 3nm chip so anyone can imagine if they can give this much competition or beat Bionic A17 pro in many areas with 4nm what would they accomplished with 3nm
@@RahulKumar0901exactly , well said💀
Impressive gains on the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 but in my opinion, Apple better be worried about the Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 which will have the new Oryon Nuvia cores. Take a look at the scores on the Snapdragon X Elite to give an idea on what to expect. Not sure what Apple can do at this point. The A18 specs are probably locked in at this point and I have a feeling that it will just be a small iteration of the A17. Also, Apple really needs to focus on GPU and cooling if they want IPhone to try to be a serious gaming phone. Also, the A19 chip due in 2025 is also probably at the point where any major change will result in significant delays.
I agree the Oryon Cores will be amazing next year on snapdragon smartphones.
In 2025 Qualcomm will truly destroy the competition and indeed destroy the 8Gen3 with the potentially brutal 8Gen4. THIS is the game killer chipset to wait for. No modest performance increases with this monstrosity.
@@neilmcguinness442230% improvement on the CPU and 25% on the GPU is massive too.
@@neilmcguinness4422As if they are not better than A17 now.
The X Elite is actually outtdated.. 2 years behind schedule because it got delayed many times.
If you dig a little and compare the Gen 3 with X Elite benchmarks, it becomes glaringly obvious the ARM X4 cores and far better than Oryon.
That's not to say the X Extreme isn't competitive with absolute dogshit comparative efficiency of Intel and AMD, but all things considered, it is way behind the current best stock ARM designs.
The reason why Qualcomm released it is because they spent billions on acquiring Nuvia and developing the chip..so they'll try to cash in at least something from it.
There is no more 5 nm or 3nm since we switched to FINFET from planer transistor and that was since 28 nm an 22nm in few cases. In today’s scenario what 5nm or 3nm means is marketing. When they say 3nm They generally mean that the performance that they are achieving is equivalent to theoretical 3nm planer transistor.
Aur bhi takneeki gyan dedo tripati ji
Apple fans before Snapdragon 8 gen 3: "Samsung is so slow. Epic fail!" Apple fans after: "performance isn't everything. iT DoEsN'T hAvE iMeSsAgE"
STOP WITH THE CLICKBAIT IMAGES/TITLES, UGH
And no yellowish photos on Snapdragon version !!!
funny how you mentioned yellowish photos and i instantly knew you was talking about iphone pictures.
Qualcomm release their new chip, which is beaten by Apples chip in 6 months. Then Apple releases their new chip, and is beaten by Qualcomm in another 6 months. Rinse and repeat.
It’s not surprising that it’s as good as the A17 considering Qualcomm have most of Apples best processor designers working for them
8gen2 is already better than A17
@@Samathegreat667HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA NEVER MATE
@@holywrapholyy4083 A17 is only slightly better in CPU department in most other things Qualcomm wins
@@Samathegreat667lmao live in delusion
in CPU test, A17 pro win, in GPU test Snapdragon 8gen2 better@@Samathegreat667
_The difference is most Flagship Android phones nowadays already have ARMv9 chipset architecture while Apple's chipsets are still ARMv8. ARMv9 is the actual improvement in ARM chipsets_ .
And what's the actual improvement? unlike the time we jump from ARMv7 to ARMv8 i don't see much improvement in ARMv9 overall.
Yes I am an Apple fan but I'm going to only state the facts here. The thing to remember is that the tests that were done on the 8 gen 3 were in optimal ideal conditions, on what will probably turn out to be the highest-performing Android phone using this chip (I'm talking about Xiaomi ofc). In reality, it was what they call a "freeze test", where the chassis of the phone was kept cool the whole time. With the iPhone in the same conditions, it scores nearly 8000. And with the Xiaomi in real-world conditions, it scores 6900-7000 compared to the iPhone's 7200-7400. Factor in the hardware+software optimizations that Apple is known for and I don't think anybody can truthfully say Apple is beat.
Now, as for graphics, it looks similar to last year I will admit, but we'll have to see when the gaming fps tests come out and both chips have gotten a couple of software updates in a month or two, I'd say. If it's anything like last year, the improved CPU of the iPhone will help and the lesser CPU of the Snapdragon will become a bottleneck, leading to higher and more consistent fps on the iPhone in those tests.
P.S. the neural engine of the iPhone is also 2x faster, which is a major advantage... I'd say Apple is gearing up to jump into the AI game soon
Isheep 😂😂😂
@@-Blue-_ I’ll admit as much. Doesn’t make what I said untrue tho
Apple would have to really screw up for me to jump ship but I love when Android and its partner companies apply pressure or when newer companies can make a splash. We need more competition to push better products for consumers.
Apple can't compete with everyone in different areas.
Steve Jobs quote. you've got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can't start with the technology and try to figure out where you're going to try to sell it.
7:10 Samsung S Series phones can connect to their tv or high displays and use Samsung Dex.
7:10 but the s23 and S8G2 already support Displayport by usb c at 4k60. The same as the iphone 15. How will the s24 & S8G3 have better support for external monitors and match the iphone when they already the same? Going from 5Gbps to 10 Gbps wont add anything to external monitors. Am i missing something or did u guys miss up?
Makes me glad I stuck with my 14 Pro Max for another year. I'm hoping this will push Apple to really go hog-wild with the A18-equipped 16 Pro Max next year!
They will have little choice but to improve their chips drastically on every level by the IPhone 17. We, the consumers, can only benefit.
@@neilmcguinness4422 that's the thing, they don't have to. People who already buy iphones mostly don't care about numbers, they care about good experience, which even older apple chips can provide, so apple can sell them pretty much anything and they buy it just to have that +1 in a model number. And people who care about numbers won't jump to iphone because of the better chip alone, there need to be more improvements to iOS and iphone in general for that.
Yeah, I am rocking an iPhone 8. I may switch to android.
A18 is likely already designed, prototypes testing, and mass production to start in 6 months or so. This news will likely not make the A18’s design cycle. Probably not gonna be a huge upgrade, but TSMC 3nm process has a lot of maturing to do still so we should get solid gains for years to come I assume. Qualcomm getting every last drop out of 4nm probably does not have as much runway
Are you saying that you were seriously planning to change your iPhone 14 to 15? For what? To make your phone turn on 1 second faster? Or for the sake of a super new camera that makes the picture 1.5% sharper? 😂😂😂😂😂
I've been hearing "Apple is in trouble" for the last 8 years, only to be disappointed months later.
Not to mention if Apple put in a cooling solution apples stability and performance would be much better.
Maybe. On paper it does look that way however I am seeing performance hits and heat issues with my 15PM and I’m not pushing it.
iPhones are clearly losing the game.
The problem then will be battery life. A more power hungry chip will eat up iPhone's battery in minutes. Software optimization can't beat physics.
Rolls royce stayed with the same power engine for at least 20 years starting in the 70's ie the corniche of the phantom. Brilliant.
You should do supermarket tabloids with these titles man. lol.
Hopefully this drive more competition, but I don’t think many non-enthusiasts are going to switch from apple to android just the new snapdragon is slightly better in benchmarks.
Gotta remember too that Apple does both hardware and software design. iOS is much more optimized per device than android is for the mass markets. A slight spec boost for android may still be slower if the OS and applications are more computationally taxing and memory
@@pipeeeeees30% boost in graphics processing power = slightly? Okay
@@W-meme compared to Apple’s mobile arm chips, slight. Comparing snapdragon to itself, huge
I don't think Apple is worried, they are about to release the M3 and shortly after this shows up in devices next summer the M4 will be hot on it's heels. And of course the speed numbers are based upon Linux not Windows, MS is going to have their work cut out for them trying to get a decent performing ARM version IMHO.
M1 Pros are still more than enough..
Even the M1 family is still impressive compared to the competition, and its three years old at this point.
What Snapdragon did is pretty good. However, most day to day tasks in a phone rely on single core performance where Apple is still at a different level compared to Qualcomm.
Also gaming is a single core CPU process, hence why Apple will be able to play Console/PC games on the phone.
Lol, most comparisons of iPhone 15pro vs S23 ultra show similar real world performance...real world performance is stable 5G connectivity with lower consumption, good cooling which doesn't make the screen decrease like 50% brightness, GPU with sustained performance....that we already seen that iPhone isn't keeping up with android flagships lately...see stress tests of iPhone 15 pro max vs Samsung S3ultra , you will see how poorly iPhone performs under stress. Even Google pixel 8 pro shows better stability than iPhone. Apple better put their effort on good cooling rather than single core performance in syntetic benchmarks.
@@tonyburzio41075x faster what vs what?
@@davidgates5699 PS4 jaguar CPU way weaker than any 2023 100$ smartphone CPU. If iPhone can run a console game, snapdragon 8gen3 would do it even better. The main issue is game devs making the port of the game to run on smartphones.
@@fernandofonseca2033 How is it going to do it better and the Snapdragon has a significantly lower Single Core score than Apple’s CPU? Gaming only uses Single Core not Multicore. That is the battle between Intel and AMD on who has the best Single Core for gaming, AMD smokes Intel every year with Multicore, but Intel is still a beast in Single Core.
Snapdragon Elite X is amazing in presentation but I don't believe until it's on real World 😅
Yeah…they are going to put it into various android phones, all different chassis and cooling, modded android software, we will see the real world performance, but it is impressive.
@@jamesnyers1721X Elite is for PC, like Apple M-series.
It will make believers of us all. Mark my words.
X Elite is for computers. 8 Gen 3 is for mobile devices
@@jamesnyers1721Who is going to put cpu with 12 performance cores consuming upto 50 watts (CPU+GPU) in a mobile?
Clickbait BS. Apple is not in trouble. Maybe 12% faster in single core of a non-integrated CPU?, no info on power consumption, and designed for non-Apple systems. None of this matters, let's see the real thing, and compare to the M3 when it is released.
Ur opinion doesn’t matter asw
Nice review - thanks!
The 8 Gen 2 in the s23 ultra is an overclocked version. The performance gains that Qualcomm promised must be over the stock 8 gen 2.
Competition is actually good as we the consumers benefit. Let's not hope for 1 company to do worse or fail. They need each other to step up when the other one slacks.
This should tell you all you need to know about this channel. Apple uses Snapdragon? These people are on the INTERNET
Qualcomm's A500-series barely do any lift in the multicore; they are mostly for background tasks and sleep mode. The big lift of the multicore is done through the 6 cores (1+5), and they are beating Apple's 6 cores (2+4). I'm surprised, I didn't expect it to happen so fast, specially with Apple relying on TSMC's 3nm.
Finally someone with positive iq in the comments section
Yeah, I'm shocked threat Q made it, they've must done a total rebuild of things, to make it work like single core for some tasks.
@2:50 the leaked benchmark isn’t anything to worry about (single core 2207 and multi-core score of 7494).
My iPhone 17 Pro Max A17 currently gets a score of 2924 single core, and a multi-core score of 7334.
Even with this, I’m happy that Apple opened a can of worms 🪱 3 years ago. Now everyone wants to build an ARM chip for desktop and laptop computers.
a17 pro normal vs low power mode battery test. You did that for the M2 which resulted in low power mode being slightly faster than M1, yet better battery life. Maybe because of the 3nm design, running it on low power mode will result in greater efficiency. Would be an interesting video to see.
yes big company fight for better chip and us consumer just sit and enjoy great product, competition lead to evolution
Me just watching this on an s24 ultra with a snapdragon 8 gen 3
There is no problem with Apple . It's not all about the Chip . Anybody who knows anything about Apple , look at the bigger picture . Apples operating system is far superior than anything else, it works with all the other devices they make & more, the support network is absolutely superb, the infrastructure support worldwide is first class, you don't get this from android and Microsoft manufacturers etc .
other brands might try and outperform certain components but if they haven't got the rest of the system up to scratch then at the end of the day it really means nothing .
*this is just my opinion as it fits my needs . i used to be a Microsoft Windows person for over 30 years and change to Apple only 7 years ago. I wish I had done it a lot earlier I have no intentions of changing back.
At the end of the day everyone has their opinion and as long as it fits your needs then good for you 👍.
Your clickbait titles are getting a bit boring… ;)
9:14 The reason apple didn't use more cores is because it uses lot of power and now Sd 8gen 3 is much more efficient than a17 pro in multicore test, geekerwan has done test on sd 8gen3 on mi 14.
For example look at power consumption of a17 pro at 9:36
I wonder how will Mediatek new chip will be doing. They made so much progress, they could achieve something amazing.
Hi you have to consider the cache memory, architecture of the bionic, software optimization, importantly the fetch architecture of each peocessor... You are simply comparing the geekbench scores... This is not a real comparison...
Bench marks don't mean much if the software does not properly take advantage of the hardware. Will wait and see.
"If software does not take advantage of hardware " 🤡
Says apple sheep who can't sideload applications or multitask on their phones
Great job snapdragon, but to me it’s all about software and device integration. Plus can we be honest what more can you do with a “faster chip” on a phone.
Desktop I can understand rendering huge timelines, animation studios, TH-camrs making money on it. But a phone I love better battery over BLAZINGLY fast chip.
0:57 how the bar for for 26 fps is twice as long as 21 fps ? what type of scale is it?
I'm extremely shocked he managed to finish the video without talking how the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 can run 10 billion parameter LLMs locally, like Llama and Stable Diffusion. Next would be Mediatek. Apple, and even Google are NOWHERE close.
Give more info please, im interested (sharing yt. links might not work)
aint nothing compare to the M2 chip lmao
@@thainguyenduy3845 🤣🤣 thats a chunky laptop cpu,😆 are you high? 😂😂😂😂 ofcourse a finger tip sized soc cant beat 4 times "physically" bigger cpu that has more cache and cores. Neither A17 pro or a18 even a19 cant beat m2 obviously, they are also tiny
Also snapdragon x elite(its an laptop cpu like the M1,2,3 series) beated m2 ultra, and its slightly better than m3 too in specific applications
@@thainguyenduy3845 i also want to add, iphone 14pro max and 15pro max cant work at full power more than 15 minutes. Thanks to Apple's amazing design, it throttles quickly and slows down to not harm the device. When the 14pro max released, lots of users phone damaged because of the swelling batteries. When the cpu get too hot and couldn't spread the heat evenly, batteries expand like baloons directly inside the phones just like the Samsung's s7 phones(i didn't see any of them catch fire tho). Apple take responsibility and with some software updates, lowered the throttling temperatures, so the performance
@@uh-nuh I never revert to such people. It was very apparent he was high or is a proper iSheep.
What a BS review. Apple’s SOCs are always about performance per-watt. SD’s SOCs don’t have efficiency cores, only performance cores. Apple could do the same thing and beat them easily but performance per-watt matters!!
Snapdragon is much more efficient in gpu
Overall they have similar efficiency though.
Since androids have more battery capacity, they might turn out better in battery life
Many Android phones have been surpassing Apple for years with superior technical features, such as faster charging and WiFi6, so whoever needs a faster or more advanced phone already knows where to go.
i have a 67w android phone i find it hard now to go back to slower charging phones.....I find it hard to go back to apple phones because of the slower charging and now i'm even considering going faster then 67w with a new phone on snapdragon 8 gen 3. It is too convenient to put phone on charge from being empty battery to come out of shower to a full charged phone. The fast charging matters to me and makes it hard to give up and i don't even think i could give it up for ios ecosystem.
I thought Qualcomm poached some Apple engineers a short while back, but perhaps the biggest contribution to Qualcomm’s success is Tim Cook. Under his guidance innovation has slowed to a trickle as he is a bean counter focussed on short term share price whilst sacrificing long term market dominance. We have seen this many times in the past with Commodore Amiga, IBM and even Intel recently. Bean counters come in and sacrifice R&D (and therefore market lead) to boost margin (and therefore short term share price) and optimise their pay out.
Qualcomm has all the best patents for modems. They have an intellectual property moat around their castle.
What are you talking about? Under Tim Cook Apple came out with their M computer chips. Pacing the industry.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 Talking about modems. Many tech pundits are criticizing Apple for not developing a better modem for the iPhone.
I think there's more to be excited about Qualcomm's new PC ARM chip Snapdragon X Elite
Only reason I'm waiting for the ultra 24 and not buying the ultra 23 is because it may have the 2 TB storage if it's not snapdragon and it's Exynos then I'll go for the Ultra 23 (I'm in America)
Oh really plz reply
Why the fuck do you need 2tb? I have 256gb on my iPhone 13PM and it’s more than enough
Have you rerun these benchmarks on iOS 17.0.3 and/or 17.0.1? I've found my 15 Pro scores a fair bit higher in geekbench now on 17.1 than it did when I got it on 17.0.2.
I've also seen significantly better battery life on 17.1.
Your graphs look misleading at 0:55. How is the teal line like 80-90 percent longer than the gray line. When it is just a 5 FPS increase.
Due to physics, the a18 chip is unfortunately not possible....
Apple will be using the 3nm chip for a few years so they are not going to push out the full max performance of that chip on its first release product, so I guess they are holding back it’s true capabilities for later!
So is snapdragon. They are on 4nm since 8gen1 , still beats a17 pro in efficiency and snapdragon 8gen 4 will use same process as a18 pro next year.
No, it's unlikely Apple will stick with N3B for more than a year. They are going to move to N3E along with everyone else, and possibly N3P in the future.
So is Qualcomm. They're not even using 3nm. And next with their custom cores we'll see an even bigger jump than the massive jump this year.
That's not the reason. The A17 Pro is barely unable to avoid overheating when pushing performance. If they had pushed the processor any further, it would have been power hungry and almost unusable. They'll use the next couple of months to do more research and carry out tests on how to improve on the performance of the chip without making it power hungry. All companies do that. They deliver their best and try to push for higher heights with their next iteration.
7:07 Where'd you get those numbers from?
Android devices have had USB 3.1 (what you get on the iPhone 15 pro series) since 2016 and USB 3.2 (Which supports 20Gb/s) since 2021 AFAIK.
At long last finally Qualcomm beats Apple
The last time I thought my phone was too slow was a decade ago. All the clamoring for performance is useless. I need better battery life.
so will they release triple A titled ps5 games on it?
Well done Qualcomm 🔥🔥
That 8 gen 3 is a monster.
I’m sure Apple is “terrified” 😂
Apple needs to step it up with their chips and cameras! Come on!
ARM on windows sounds kinda cool, this could be the "reborn" of the hackintosh
the real trouble will the next year's 8 gen 4 as it will finally use the custom oryon cores and a much better n3e process. i really think that it can beat the a upcoming a18 pro in all aspects if apple doesn't take qualcomm seriously. the graphics of 8 gen 3 is already far ahead matching the m2's 10 core gpu performance with using around quatar of the power.
Only nerds like us know 🤫
Yeah, big Q to win
Finally someone said this! Was looking for someone to mention this
People say trouble but in reality its only in gaming. Right now apple has one thing that the current gen snapdragons cannot do…is be on every single phone of the current generation. Only big name companies will get the best phones and china exclusive cheaper phones will have it but not be available to the world. Samsung being the market leader of the android world will fuck it up and not use the power efficiently.
What are you talking about with M2? It’s not even to the level of M1, both the 8 Gen 3 and A17 are almost to the M1 level but not quite. M2 is massively ahead
A16 and a17 pro is lagging anyway.
If it cant sustain its performance like in the benchmarks whats the mean of it?
In addition, snapdragon elite processors are also coming for PCs
Despite significant improvements across the board, lagging behind 1 whole nm is like living in another generation. Coupling that with the heavy OS of Android and a skin on top, I would not be hopeful about the real world performance catching up with iPhones any time soon. Good news for android lovers nonetheless. Samsung, Google and eMeditek
apple has nothing to worry about speed is not quaility of product output besides give apple the time for M4 and snapbragon will be done
Geekbench score doesn’t show the full picture. Sustained performance and efficiency matter more than a single test score.
Well this is exiting for the mobile phone industry cant wait for the S24 Ultra to come out and give the iphone a run for its money i see alot of iPhone users switching over the ones who dont use apple watch, i love my ultra so i cant jump ship yet but i have the S23 Ultra and i absolutely love it.
These benchmark scores don't matter in real-life use. Flagship Chips nowadays are really fast for everyday phone use.
that's the problem lol most people call,text and watch media and that's it lol. 99% people won't even notice
Apple will never be worried. Period. The iPhone X that debuted the bionic line still is a solid smartphone to this day, but the Samsung s8 which came out the same year is a sluggish device now that's barely usable.
All these technology and it doesn’t matter, for an average joe like me, the M1 chip is all that i will ever need, if anything is making everything cheaper, gotta love competition.
8 gen 3 might even beat m1
And what? Will it drive Macbook Air M1 which is still next to perfect?
@@wolffweber7019 yes
@@Lolllllllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzz I still use my macbook 12 inch from 2017 with a core m3 and it fulfills all of my needs, technology is a beautiful thing. My iphone 13 is amazing, we need a technological advancement in some other way, screens and processors have hit a peak. We need holograms or something lol.
@@Lolllllllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzz
We’ll see 😎
Better Qualcomm processors is good for the user, and Apple need to keep working, perhaps the trouble is for Intel an AMD, once Windows and Windows softwares are adapted to run on ARM right, X86 architecture will have a real contender.
It’s nice to know that the weak performance improvements are a failure on Apple’s end rather than a physics / industry ceiling / dropped; gives me hope Apple will do better next year.
The 8 gen 2 already crashes the A17pro when doing heavy workload while playing games for some minutes ,the game starts to rag while the gen 2 still runs smoothly
nah A17 Pro dominates
@@ssaini5028 but have u saw the ragging or u just saying
@@KingTopik A17 Pro still faster in real world. Every year we hear the samething from Qualcomm. A17 Pro will still be faster in gaming, trancoding and massive single thread advantage.
@@ssaini5028 search the heavy workload battle between the s23 ultra with 8gen 2 vs 15 pro max with the a17 chip you will see that in less than an hour the iPhone starts to rag playing asphalt 9 and I have also proved that with my iphone 15 pro max ,and I don't know if this chip will be able to handle big games as Apple claims
@@KingTopikit has only 6 cores so no wonder it was struggling but you see the main issues are thermals management in iphones.
You can see in the tear down videos they don't have any cooling system so they thermal throttle very badly than android.
OtherWise they are MORE EFFICIENT SOC and the single core performance is unmatched which is more important in a phone than multi core performances.
This doesn't mean Apple is in trouble. Marginal performance difference isn't the reason everyone buys iPhones.
3nm > 4nm. A nm difference is significant in chip manufacturing
I find it laughable that people are saying 4 nm chip is faster than 3 nm
I don't want Apple for the chip only. I want Apple for the design and premium build quality. I don't want no android phones, period.
I think that Apple goes with a less core count design, because they are always using the bleeding edge of manufacturing processes so in a way it more comes down to yield having less cores that can come out bad
I have no idea but maybe having 2 less cores leaving more space for cache
For lower cost only, more core means more cost and more efficient
I think it strange to say Apple is in trouble when their silicon still uses less power and their performance cores are still 2 generations ahead of any of the competition. It's cool that Qualcomm are upping their GPU game, but on the CPU side they increased the multicore score just by replacing efficiency cores with mid cores, which I'm pretty sure is going to cancel out most of the efficiency gains over the 8 gen 2. Additionally, more cores =/= faster in every case. On a phone, most individual loads are lightly threaded, and you also aren't running many apps at once, so additional cores aren't needed for that like they are on a device running iPadOS or macOS. Adding two extra performance cores would both drastically increase the physical size of the chip, increase the passive power draw, and essentially just turn it into an M series chip. While M series chips are very power efficient compared to other laptop and desktop silicon, they are less so *at base* than A series chips. It's important to bear in mind that A17 Pro may draw more power than A16 at its absolute peak, but realistically you're not going to be drawing that even when playing a AAA game, let alone most of the time you're using it, and A17 Pro is more power efficient overall.
I think it's telling that geekbench gives the 8 gen 2 a much much lower score than some other benchmarks would indicate. My hypothesis is that this is because the GPU architecture is designed specifically for mobile, so it doesn't perform as well in some of geekbench's tests, whereas the A17 Pro has a GPU which is meant to be scaled all the way up to compete with dedicated desktop GPUs.
In any case, games are still likely to run better on A17 Pro due to MetalFX Upscaling, the only real equivalent to which is DLSS, and that is only available on NVIDIA dedicated GPUs.
Guess what? The snapdragon 8 gen 3 is more power efficient than the 8 gen 2
I was intending to compare it to the 8 gen 3 in the first paragraph, I mistyped.
It’s very good getting a competition because when big techs like these compete the consumers win, but one thing is making a good chip and another is the phone manufacturers that’ll incorporate it, why Apple is better isn’t just about their chip performance but the hardware, software and optimization which in sum creates an ideal package, I’m pretty sure TSMC manufactured the new Gen 3 chip considering it’s efficiency, we’ll see how it goes when we get products with these new chips and get to test them in real life everyday use and stress tests…
Software optimization was somewhere where apple was once beaten by no one but one ui beats it now bc its more efficient in my use , it lags much less frequently compared to my dad’s 14 pm(yes he has a mental breakdown every time lmao) and ios 17 is even more ass than ios 16 and overheating still hasn’t solved, that phone is unholdable after a while
Competition is always welcome, Max.
On the other hand, the Snapdragon X Elite (for laptop) which is faster than Apple's M2 chip by 50%.
Good bye Apple.🎉
Dont worry, apple fan boys. Applebench 7 is on its way to make apple number 1 again 😊
That's incomplete Video, He didn't discuss about Snapdragon X Elite CPU and Oryon architecture in Snapdragon 8 Gen 4
It’s ridiculous people emphasize on the speed on different equipment. It’s not about the speed it’s about how it performs on daily task. Bench marks are overrated.
I doubt Apple is worry (or cares) about what Qualcomm is doing since the A18 was probably locked down 18 months ago
Most apps including gaming uses single core CPU processing. This is why Apple is now able to do Console/PC gaming now.
while android is perfecting its switch emulation.
iphone is going to perfect its console gaming on the phone
It’s typical of Apple. They got years ahead, and then they fumble around letting the competitor caught up.
Don't get me wrong. The snapdragon is a formidable foe, but i think apple is more worried when nvidia will start creating arm chips for pc's which they announced they will.
So tired of hearing the "Apple should be worried" statements. Apple is not in trouble but rather Apple shouldn't slow down and keep pushing forward.
Honestly, customers buy Apple products for the ecosystem for the brand for the hardware for the software for the services. It’s a total package that’s the reason Apple has this many loyal customers. With 2.49 billion daily active customers 1.47 billion of them are iPhone users Apple is still the only brand worldwide to 150 million brand new users each year and that’s up from 130 million million in previous years
The secret here is that Qualcom bought Nuvia, a company created by 3 former Apple workers in the creation of Silicon Apple. There's no more. Qualcom has now appropriated the technology that Apple created and they do not use low-performance processors, they only use high-performance processors in their chips, but in the end Apple's wallet will make them get off the cloud. Furthermore, Qualcom lacks the key to Apple's success, which is its software. It doesn't matter if the Qualcom chip is more powerful if it runs on Android or Microsoft.
What do you mean by maybe even exceeded? It certainly has the only thing apple has got and that's cause you can only use one app at a time so they are more focused on it is the single core, and you said it yourself. The gpu performance of 8 gen3 is absolutely insane.
Yah, don't think Apple is worried.
I had big hopes for the 3nm A17 pro. I was extremely disappointed. They deserve to be beat and surpassed by the competition.
Apple needs to work on their cooling system... Those fast chips are useless if they throttle
we need snapdragon gen 3 on s24 plus too. exynos sucks too much
Good for them. I'll continue using my Snapdragon 855 phone from 2017, still works perfectly. Maybe I'll get a cheap new battery for $35.