Thanks for the video, I installed a C2 a couple of years ago on my 2020 Prius Prime and the C2 has driven over 70,000 miles for me. I can’t say enough on how much I appreciate how the C2 has changed and improved my driving experience. It truly is chill driving and it has me very spoiled and I don’t want to drive a car without it ever. With the release of the, 3X and price drop, it’s just amazing. Give it a try. 😊
Finally Openpilot being discussed on Out of Spec! I've been asking for this! My Comma 2 has been driving me and my family around in our 2018 Honda Odyssey for more than a year now. I'm excited to get a Comma 3 for my IONIQ5.
Comma 3 installed and running in my IONIQ5. Truly remarkable. E2E longitudinal, experimental mode - stops at red lights and goes at green. Adjusts speed for turns and traffic flow. And of course manages steering excellently.
@@Superman-xr1oh Openpilot is certainly far ahead of Tesla's Basic Autopilot, though significantly behind Tesla's FSD Beta. But for the cost it has been a total game-changer for my family. Probably going to buy a second so we can have in both cars.
im one of those people within the group of people who run openpilot on a Tesla. its a seperate fork but it supports Model S/X (Pre-AP 2012 - 2014), AP1 and AP2. Model 3 and Model Y is being worked on. Official Openpilot does support AP2+ for my own Model S its a 2014 without Autopilot so it originally lacked Electronic brakebooster (original model s only had vacuum booster) which meant that Openpilot could only control accel/regen + autosteer, no braking. this year i retrofitted an electronic brakebooster (no car config change needed) so in the future my classic Model S will be able to use "Navigate on openpilot" (the name for the taco bell comma challenge)
Self-correction: Flexray is a communication protocol not a form of radar, but it is the pathway radar data would be communicated over rather than CAN or CAN-FD - the protocols most vehicles use and OpenPilot supports.
tony auerbach, ioniq6+C3X, Buffalo NY. I know this is an old vid, but I thought I would ask anyhow: Are you still contributing to OP or one of its forks? I have a thought about a simple addition that would be useful (I am an end user, not a programmer)
Really looking forward to using Open Pilot on my upcoming Aptera reservation. I’d been researching OP since the announcement, but really learned a lot here. Thanks! 👍
Hey, thanks for doing this video. It’s really good.👍 I just learned about Open Pilot because Aptera is going to be using it in their vehicles. So I started researching it and now I’m considering getting it for my Chevy Volt. Cool stuff for sure! 😁👍
I have used FSD beta on my 2020 MY LR awd and openpilot comma 3 on my Toyota Avalon. I find openpilot much better than FSD, especially on the highway driving. I'm tired of putting my hands on steering wheel while cruising with FSD. Openpilot does an excellent job.
Comma 3 is selling for $1499 now. You can uh SE Apple Pay, Google, Paypal and the Comma will ship withinan hour with free two day UPS. I am upgrade from Comna 2 installed on a 2020 Toyota Corolla SE. The driver vng experience is super smooth. Fixed my sister's motion sickness. Navigation is optional and works well but it's not ready for robo. Install takes maybe 30 minutes including calibration. Worth every dime. It's fantastic interstate cruising. In rush hour the Comma 3 removes the stress. 😊
Appreciate this look into the experience of using OpenPilot. But gotta disagree with the idea that Musk is one of the best minds in AI. Tesla no doubt has a lot of talented AI engineers, it's remarkable what FSD can do (though I do have doubts about how ready it is for the average person.) But Elon is not working on that product himself and is not personally responsible for its performance/advancement. He is not personally writing code or training models. People give him way too much credit and ignore all the hundreds of talented people who actually make the products.
I first heard about this about three years ago after I bought a Buick Regal TourX (which was build by Opel as the Insignia). The Buick had adaptive Cruise Control that was significantly better than the Mercedes Distronic that was on my previous car. I realized the Buick had electric steering and so I started looking into what might be available to upgrade the cruise control. I found there was a small community of people who were hacking Open Pilot to be able to work on cars beyond the "official" list. Some of those were using it on the Buick Regal cars. I was intrigued but also concerned about possible liabilities of hacking into a car's driver assistance system so, ultimately, I didn't pursue it any further.
Love Openpilot. Another thing that I personally feel is a HUGE advantage is that you can run a "fork". Kinda like how Android phones usually have a manufacturer specific UI built on top of stock android. I personally prefer Samsung's UI over stock android, One Plus, etc. So in the same way I prefer certain Openpilot "forks" over the stock system. TLDR: It's customizable.
Close to 50K miles on my 2019 Camry Hybrid's 61K odometer was driven by Comma 2 and now 3 and I saw George's KIA EV6 purchase live stream and wanted to buy the Ioniq 5 however the dealer markup put me off. Two days ago I placed an order for the now close to original price Model Y and lower than original if you consider tax credit however I decided not to purchase enhanced autopilot or FSD and will keep my Comma 3 device even after selling my Camry Hybrid in the hopes that Openpilot might one day support my Model Y. In 2019 I purchased a model 3 and used Autopilot during my 80 mile daily commute to work but decided to take advantage of Tesla's 7 day/1000 mile refund policy as I heard rumors about the Model Y coming in the near future. I got the base model Camry Hybrid instead and hated the Toyota Safety Sense P that my car came with. Enter Openpilot in Comma 2 device and after a few software updates in 2020 Openpilot was driving my car without nagging me to touch steering wheel in dense fog, heavy rain and strong crosswinds.
Earlier this year, until I very seriously considered getting an Ioniq 5 and Comma and watched a ton of Comma videos. I even purchased an Ioniq 5 Limited (without Comma) while keeping my Tesla order. For various reasons, after 6 months I decided I did not likethe Ioniq and sold it. I took delivery of the Tesla and currently waiting for the FSD on city streets beta. However, I continue to monitor the progress of Comma, especially since the departure of Hotz. As a side note, a big advantage to Comma is the cost and the ability to take it to the next car. However, there are bigger questions about Comma that will be answered with the passage of time. But, you are only risking $3k, so not a big deal. Ultimately, I will choose whomever can provide the system with the best overall active safety features, even if the basics of the host vehicle are don’t meet my standards. FWIW, my wife and I are in our mid-70’s and need all the help we can get! In the meantime, I will enjoy my Tesla and continue to root for Comma.
We need to see openpilot added to the hogback tests, probably on a Kia/Hyundai (as that is what comma is using) or aptera as they are the closest to using as oem inclusion. I would also be interested in seeing how much extra the digital radar Kyle showed from Magma helps (and if it can be integrated at all). Personally I don’t see how a system can have super human performance without digital radar, and I think the real world bar for widespread FSD adoption will be significantly better than average driver performance.
I’d like to know how much better the comma 3 vs 2 driving experience is. I am using comma 2 for my daily commute (24 miles x2 Houston on Honda CRV) & 2 or 3 3000 mile road trips per year (Honda Odyssey) for 18 months. I plan to upgrade only when the software ware catches up will the C-3 hardware. I love needing only one Comma for two cars😊
A ethernet cable from the harness to the OBD2. And the harness between the existing camera and the rest of the car. In my 2020 Honda e there was enough space under the cover. So all you see now is the usb-c cable from under the cover to the c3. It can be done very clean.
So intriguing… and well beyond my gray matter's ability. I guess I can understand wanting to stick with a 3rd party approach, but it wouldn't surprise me if, say, Hyundai buys OpenPilot someday and releases it as HDA 3. Also gotta say that, when I hear what OpenPilot can do, it suggests to me that removing radar and ultrasonic sensors for "Tesla Vision" will prove a big mistake, a definite step backwards. I anticipate that you'll be implementing OpenPilot on your cars, Dave!
I agree, OP, with these thoughts. This seems more intended for the 'under 40yr old crowd' who grew up with a computer in the cradle. For this plus 70yr old, the thoughts of digging into an EVs wiring systems, plug in this, programme that, down load this, calibrate that, and rah rah sends me 'over the edge;. Its clever, but until I find a third party garage to install one, nope, not for this writer.
Assuming Aptera really supports right to repair, we can hope that they provide an easily accessible tap into the CANBUS. From what I gleam from the Comma talks, most OEMs with Lane Assist technology have a camera (and/or radar?) unit behind the mirror and the Comma unit harness is plugged in there. In some cases there was another harness that had to tie into another location to control acceleration and braking. I’m hoping we can tap into CANBUS to be able to add buttons that could control heating, etc. I want some more buttons and don’t want to fiddle around with a display to control my heating/cooling.
Good news. Aptera made the announcement that OpenPilot will be their ADAS on 3/24/23. First vehicle manufacturer to support OpenPilot from the factory. They've been operating and testing OpenPilot on their Beta test vehicle for several months now. Below is a video taken from the Aptera EV Beta vehicle running OpenPilot: th-cam.com/video/Sl8FunbkNeY/w-d-xo.html
I'm a 2-1/2 year practiced owner/user of Tesla FSD Beta (now v 11.5). I am happy to hear that Aptera will integrate Open Pilot in their vehicle at some future date. I have no desire to drive a car without excellent ADAS, and Open Pilot appears to be superior to most legacy automaker autopilot systems for highway driving. I will say, however, that Open Pilot is far second to FSD Beta when it comes to off highway, general autonomous driving. The end-to-end implementation strategy that comma ai is using is impressive, but will only take them so far. They've reached a local maximum, in my opinion. I'd like to see how Open Pilot deals with cyclists, pedestrians, construction zones, roundabouts, negotiated 4-way stop intersections, bad weather, etc. without human intervention.
Just need a word of caution: openpilot is not that good at detecting motocyclists and will likely ignore cyclists and definitely ignore pedestrians! openpilot will always be a L2 system so attention is always required, it is not full self driving.
FSD is a great idea. But what will happen when someone has an accident while using it and blames the HW or SW for what is actually driver error? If the insurance won't cover it, just sue the FSD company to recoup your loss. This will lead to many lawsuits and wealthy attornies.
If the car with these systems still has pedals and a steering wheel, you are still responsible. If you see something sketchy, you are still able to take the wheel to swerve or slam on the brakes. You can blame the hardware or software all you want but ultimately, it's the driver that wasn't paying attention and didn't take corrective action. I don't think actual level 5 full self driving will be released until they're 99.9999999 % safe... which isn't for a long time.
Thanks for the video, I installed a C2 a couple of years ago on my 2020 Prius Prime and the C2 has driven over 70,000 miles for me. I can’t say enough on how much I appreciate how the C2 has changed and improved my driving experience. It truly is chill driving and it has me very spoiled and I don’t want to drive a car without it ever. With the release of the, 3X and price drop, it’s just amazing. Give it a try. 😊
Finally Openpilot being discussed on Out of Spec! I've been asking for this! My Comma 2 has been driving me and my family around in our 2018 Honda Odyssey for more than a year now. I'm excited to get a Comma 3 for my IONIQ5.
Comma 3 installed and running in my IONIQ5. Truly remarkable. E2E longitudinal, experimental mode - stops at red lights and goes at green. Adjusts speed for turns and traffic flow. And of course manages steering excellently.
@@ericanderson1753's unfortunate that it isn't available for Tesla Model 3/Y. Their "autopilot" seems miles ahead of Tesla's.
@@Superman-xr1oh Openpilot is certainly far ahead of Tesla's Basic Autopilot, though significantly behind Tesla's FSD Beta. But for the cost it has been a total game-changer for my family. Probably going to buy a second so we can have in both cars.
im one of those people within the group of people who run openpilot on a Tesla.
its a seperate fork but it supports Model S/X (Pre-AP 2012 - 2014), AP1 and AP2.
Model 3 and Model Y is being worked on.
Official Openpilot does support AP2+
for my own Model S its a 2014 without Autopilot so it originally lacked Electronic brakebooster (original model s only had vacuum booster) which meant that Openpilot could only control accel/regen + autosteer, no braking.
this year i retrofitted an electronic brakebooster (no car config change needed) so in the future my classic Model S will be able to use "Navigate on openpilot" (the name for the taco bell comma challenge)
I really hope they can get it to work on the Model 3/Y so I can ditch Tesla's junky autopilot.
@@Superman-xr1oh bog will make it happen, talented individual
Self-correction: Flexray is a communication protocol not a form of radar, but it is the pathway radar data would be communicated over rather than CAN or CAN-FD - the protocols most vehicles use and OpenPilot supports.
tony auerbach, ioniq6+C3X, Buffalo NY. I know this is an old vid, but I thought I would ask anyhow: Are you still contributing to OP or one of its forks? I have a thought about a simple addition that would be useful (I am an end user, not a programmer)
Really looking forward to using Open Pilot on my upcoming Aptera reservation. I’d been researching OP since the announcement, but really learned a lot here. Thanks! 👍
Came here for the OpenPilot talks! Good conversation.
Should definitely do an update on this. New hardware, more functional software and end to end navigation.
Hey, thanks for doing this video. It’s really good.👍
I just learned about Open Pilot because Aptera is going to be using it in their vehicles. So I started researching it and now I’m considering getting it for my Chevy Volt. Cool stuff for sure! 😁👍
I have used FSD beta on my 2020 MY LR awd and openpilot comma 3 on my Toyota Avalon. I find openpilot much better than FSD, especially on the highway driving. I'm tired of putting my hands on steering wheel while cruising with FSD. Openpilot does an excellent job.
I just received my Comma 3. I am so excited to start using it with my 2018 Leaf SL. (I'm waiting for the mount to cure).
Comma 3 is selling for $1499 now. You can uh SE Apple Pay, Google, Paypal and the Comma will ship withinan hour with free two day UPS. I am upgrade from Comna 2 installed on a 2020 Toyota Corolla SE. The driver vng experience is super smooth. Fixed my sister's motion sickness. Navigation is optional and works well but it's not ready for robo. Install takes maybe 30 minutes including calibration. Worth every dime. It's fantastic interstate cruising. In rush hour the Comma 3 removes the stress. 😊
Appreciate this look into the experience of using OpenPilot. But gotta disagree with the idea that Musk is one of the best minds in AI. Tesla no doubt has a lot of talented AI engineers, it's remarkable what FSD can do (though I do have doubts about how ready it is for the average person.) But Elon is not working on that product himself and is not personally responsible for its performance/advancement. He is not personally writing code or training models. People give him way too much credit and ignore all the hundreds of talented people who actually make the products.
Thanks for this comment. I have been making people understand this statement.
I finished my engineering degree. I’m smarter than Musk.
@@SeattleShelby Please alert us when your multiple companies are ready for IPOs!
I first heard about this about three years ago after I bought a Buick Regal TourX (which was build by Opel as the Insignia). The Buick had adaptive Cruise Control that was significantly better than the Mercedes Distronic that was on my previous car. I realized the Buick had electric steering and so I started looking into what might be available to upgrade the cruise control. I found there was a small community of people who were hacking Open Pilot to be able to work on cars beyond the "official" list. Some of those were using it on the Buick Regal cars. I was intrigued but also concerned about possible liabilities of hacking into a car's driver assistance system so, ultimately, I didn't pursue it any further.
Interesting point.... CAN bus is also used in critical aircraft systems, such as flight control and avionics data busses.
Love Openpilot. Another thing that I personally feel is a HUGE advantage is that you can run a "fork". Kinda like how Android phones usually have a manufacturer specific UI built on top of stock android. I personally prefer Samsung's UI over stock android, One Plus, etc. So in the same way I prefer certain Openpilot "forks" over the stock system. TLDR: It's customizable.
Im a comma user and its the best ever!!
I ran openpilot in my Hyundai kona electric 2019 worked great
And then came along Commai 3x and more affordable $1250 and a huge improvement!
Love love love OpenPilot on my pre-AP Tesla Model S
I think with manufacturers encrypting their data bus, this will be the end of the road for comma.
I’m interested in Open Pilot for my Polestar 2.
I would like to see you put the Comma 3 with OpenPilot into your GV60 - full installation video and then a drive.
Excited for the the idea this would let me do HDA2 on my GV60. Went to site, it’s not listed under genesis
Close to 50K miles on my 2019 Camry Hybrid's 61K odometer was driven by Comma 2 and now 3 and I saw George's KIA EV6 purchase live stream and wanted to buy the Ioniq 5 however the dealer markup put me off. Two days ago I placed an order for the now close to original price Model Y and lower than original if you consider tax credit however I decided not to purchase enhanced autopilot or FSD and will keep my Comma 3 device even after selling my Camry Hybrid in the hopes that Openpilot might one day support my Model Y. In 2019 I purchased a model 3 and used Autopilot during my 80 mile daily commute to work but decided to take advantage of Tesla's 7 day/1000 mile refund policy as I heard rumors about the Model Y coming in the near future. I got the base model Camry Hybrid instead and hated the Toyota Safety Sense P that my car came with. Enter Openpilot in Comma 2 device and after a few software updates in 2020 Openpilot was driving my car without nagging me to touch steering wheel in dense fog, heavy rain and strong crosswinds.
Earlier this year, until I very seriously considered getting an Ioniq 5 and Comma and watched a ton of Comma videos. I even purchased an Ioniq 5 Limited (without Comma) while keeping my Tesla order. For various reasons, after 6 months I decided I did not likethe Ioniq and sold it. I took delivery of the Tesla and currently waiting for the FSD on city streets beta. However, I continue to monitor the progress of Comma, especially since the departure of Hotz. As a side note, a big advantage to Comma is the cost and the ability to take it to the next car. However, there are bigger questions about Comma that will be answered with the passage of time. But, you are only risking $3k, so not a big deal. Ultimately, I will choose whomever can provide the system with the best overall active safety features, even if the basics of the host vehicle are don’t meet my standards. FWIW, my wife and I are in our mid-70’s and need all the help we can get! In the meantime, I will enjoy my Tesla and continue to root for Comma.
I used this on my 2018 rav4, it worked great.
We need to see openpilot added to the hogback tests, probably on a Kia/Hyundai (as that is what comma is using) or aptera as they are the closest to using as oem inclusion. I would also be interested in seeing how much extra the digital radar Kyle showed from Magma helps (and if it can be integrated at all). Personally I don’t see how a system can have super human performance without digital radar, and I think the real world bar for widespread FSD adoption will be significantly better than average driver performance.
Great interview
Looks like the newly released Comma 3x is now priced at $1250.00 (plus $200.00 specific vehicle harness). Giving it a thought now..l
Another Great interview Dave
Loved this video on Open Pilot! Please more of this: put it on your wife’s car and make a video of you driving Open Pilot.
I've driven with open pilot for 2 years now in my hyundai.
Aptera is going to offer Open Pilot!
😀Exciting news from Aptera - announced on 3/24/23!
th-cam.com/video/Sl8FunbkNeY/w-d-xo.html
Would love to see a video of an EV6 or Ionic 5 driving with Openpilot. Would also love to hear Kyle's opinion of it.
Search on YT, they exist
Kyle will never admit it's better than autopilot, he is a Tesla fanboy through and through.
@@wyattnoise Yup, although he does complain about Tesla's phantom breaking on Twitter.
38:00 Dave: "Can it do XYZ?" Answer: "Dave, it's open source. If you want it to do something, and if you're a programmer, the sky is the limit."
I’d like to know how much better the comma 3 vs 2 driving experience is. I am using comma 2 for my daily commute (24 miles x2 Houston on Honda CRV) & 2 or 3 3000 mile road trips per year (Honda Odyssey) for 18 months. I plan to upgrade only when the software ware catches up will the C-3 hardware. I love needing only one Comma for two cars😊
OPEN PILOT IS MIRACLE
I'm quite interested in what goes into installing the system properly, and what it looks like when it's in use.
A ethernet cable from the harness to the OBD2. And the harness between the existing camera and the rest of the car. In my 2020 Honda e there was enough space under the cover. So all you see now is the usb-c cable from under the cover to the c3. It can be done very clean.
So intriguing… and well beyond my gray matter's ability. I guess I can understand wanting to stick with a 3rd party approach, but it wouldn't surprise me if, say, Hyundai buys OpenPilot someday and releases it as HDA 3. Also gotta say that, when I hear what OpenPilot can do, it suggests to me that removing radar and ultrasonic sensors for "Tesla Vision" will prove a big mistake, a definite step backwards. I anticipate that you'll be implementing OpenPilot on your cars, Dave!
Tesla removing sensors has proven to be a massive failure. Vision only is garbage.
I agree, OP, with these thoughts. This seems more intended for the 'under 40yr old crowd' who grew up with a computer in the cradle. For this plus 70yr old, the thoughts of digging into an EVs wiring systems, plug in this, programme that, down load this, calibrate that, and rah rah sends me 'over the edge;. Its clever, but until I find a third party garage to install one, nope, not for this writer.
Interested in Comma for my Aptera.
lol. enjoy waiting.
Comma exists. Aptera will never be made.
Unfortunately all state laws are not the same.
Unlawful to have a display on windshield in my state.
Assuming Aptera really supports right to repair, we can hope that they provide an easily accessible tap into the CANBUS. From what I gleam from the Comma talks, most OEMs with Lane Assist technology have a camera (and/or radar?) unit behind the mirror and the Comma unit harness is plugged in there. In some cases there was another harness that had to tie into another location to control acceleration and braking. I’m hoping we can tap into CANBUS to be able to add buttons that could control heating, etc. I want some more buttons and don’t want to fiddle around with a display to control my heating/cooling.
Good news. Aptera made the announcement that OpenPilot will be their ADAS on 3/24/23. First vehicle manufacturer to support OpenPilot from the factory. They've been operating and testing OpenPilot on their Beta test vehicle for several months now. Below is a video taken from the Aptera EV Beta vehicle running OpenPilot:
th-cam.com/video/Sl8FunbkNeY/w-d-xo.html
I wouldn’t trust a device like that to drive my car… unless it was made by George Hotz!
By the way, here is example of openpilot ride th-cam.com/video/9yxaSKcmDhA/w-d-xo.html
Yes, it is... And it isn't $15,000 and the CEO doesn't make absurd, lofty promises about what it can and cannot do.
Both Autopilot & Openpilot are using E2E now so the programmed instructions are being eliminated. Lean code.
I'm a 2-1/2 year practiced owner/user of Tesla FSD Beta (now v 11.5). I am happy to hear that Aptera will integrate Open Pilot in their vehicle at some future date. I have no desire to drive a car without excellent ADAS, and Open Pilot appears to be superior to most legacy automaker autopilot systems for highway driving. I will say, however, that Open Pilot is far second to FSD Beta when it comes to off highway, general autonomous driving. The end-to-end implementation strategy that comma ai is using is impressive, but will only take them so far. They've reached a local maximum, in my opinion. I'd like to see how Open Pilot deals with cyclists, pedestrians, construction zones, roundabouts, negotiated 4-way stop intersections, bad weather, etc. without human intervention.
Sure...
Just need a word of caution: openpilot is not that good at detecting motocyclists and will likely ignore cyclists and definitely ignore pedestrians! openpilot will always be a L2 system so attention is always required, it is not full self driving.
TH-cam (a drive to Taco Bell) and then tell me open pilot is a L2
@@SP-cm8lg Thats still L2. Fsd beta is also L2.
FSD is a great idea. But what will happen when someone has an accident while using it and blames the HW or SW for what is actually driver error? If the insurance won't cover it, just sue the FSD company to recoup your loss. This will lead to many lawsuits and wealthy attornies.
If the car with these systems still has pedals and a steering wheel, you are still responsible. If you see something sketchy, you are still able to take the wheel to swerve or slam on the brakes. You can blame the hardware or software all you want but ultimately, it's the driver that wasn't paying attention and didn't take corrective action.
I don't think actual level 5 full self driving will be released until they're 99.9999999 % safe... which isn't for a long time.
A very long winded video to say whether "I'm lying" is true or false?
This guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Comma was already established when Musk offered him the job.