IF the 'Planet Computers - Astro Slide 5G' phone HAS a FULL physical QWERTY keyboard slide out, then JUST IMAGINE a TOP SPEC phone with slide out game controls! 👍 😎🇬🇧
IP law only exists to protect corps, it hurts consumers and stifles innovation, sadly all very legal tho, and profitable, which is the thing that matters
If only I had known that Sony is the reason we haven't had another sliding phone all these years. Super dickhead move and makes me really not want to buy their crap.
Holy shit. 10 years ago mobile gaming was "The Future™" but Sony actually single-handedly killed it! That's insane. It's completely mind-boggling how much damage patents have done when you really think about it.
For reasons no one in the last 15 years can explain, the PS Vita just didn't sell very well, despite having an OLED display and 3G data, in 2011! It was the first OLED display I'd seen at the time and I bought one thevsame day. still have my PS Vita and remember the PS Play as well. Wasn't there another called the PS Go? Sony Ericsson intended to launch a series of PS compatible phones but after iPhone, they abandoned those plans. I was unaware of their patent on slider controls until I saw this video, so kudos to AP for sharing that critical point. I don't think folks fully understand how completely disruptive the iPhone was for its time. It cost more than any other phone and initially lacked app support. The iPhone changed everything. It made Apple a trillion bucks and pushed incumbents Microsoft & Intel right out of the mobile market. Today, it's become a bit boring and just like every other slab phone made. We need some new products to make mobile exciting again. 👍
@@ToeCutter0 It wasn't just the iPhone. Sony shot themselves in the foot by being incredibly greedy with the proprietary memory cards for the Vita. Now there are alternatives, but back then there weren't and very few people were willing to pay the ridiculous prices for them.
@@ethanhuntBravoEcho11how are they not available worldwide? Where are they not sold? They're fairly popular in Asia and Europe, at least. I am writing this comment from an Xperia 5 III, a local UK model supporting local GSM bands...
@@Sylkis89 i mean India is a big smartphone Market but Sony left us 🥺 , there are still xperia fans here but iPhone show-off culture is also large now so from Sony pov it's understandable
Speaking of Xperia phones. I would definitely rock an 2011 Xperia Pro with the slide out physical keyboard if it was made with todays modern tech. I have never used a mobile phone for any serious mobile gaming so for me a physical keyboard would be perfect.
I need physical keyboard I used to be able to type so fast with them even without looking at the phone but with digital keyboard I always misspell 😢 makes me look retarded when I read the messages I sent
The fact that Sony, the one who patented it, didn’t make another phone like the xperia play is a huge missed opportunity. ASUS ROG phone would be blowned out of the water with just the addition of sliding gamepad mechanism
It didn't sell well. But things have changed. Phone gaming is huge now. But thats company heads for you. Something doesn't make money... They never try again.
Sony has a habit of doing this for it's standalone handhelds. Look at the proprietary memory cards and chargers from the PSP and PSVita. Is it any surprise they held this patent and did nothing with it after the fantastic Xperia Play?
Glad to see you have found the answer, have been wondering about it since that other piece of content but hadn't taken the time to actually look into it.
The fact that most gaming phone are banned from mobile tournament due to some of its features are considered as cheating like the trigger. These manufacturers had to choose between mobile esports ready or portable consoles experience
There should be legislation that renders patents expired if the company who owns the patent / IP does not have an active product that they are selling or are not working on one, for which they have to publicly state it. Hoarding patents without using it is simply harmful to everyone, the patent owner included.
Fx teck phone 1 had a slide out keyboard and i always thought if that was swapped for tactile gaming buttons.it would have been amazing. This pattent ending is great news indeed. Gaming phone's with proper control's will push game developers and Google.
IF the 'Planet Computers - Astro Slide 5G' phone HAS a FULL physical QWERTY keyboard slide out, then JUST IMAGINE a TOP SPEC phone with slide out game controls! 👍 😎🇬🇧
Personally, it would be the perfect medium of play, working as a dev, I want to try and not be all day sitting, but still want to play pc games. It would be a game changer to have a phone what has integrated controllers (or some accessory that can be attached with some mechanism similar to MagSafe, while still fitting the phone well, not being too bulky and with some extra like fans, audio ports, battery?) to use to stream games with moonlight, play more emulators, that aren't as enticing to play if the medium doesn't fit or really satisfy that itch, for example... If you want to play gba or gbc, psp games, it is best to play it with physical controls, if you play it in a big screen it doesn't seem too accurate to the experience of the console, being capable of transmitting the feel of a portable console that is actually a proper and decent size (psvita - switch lite size) is awesome. As someone who is in the market for a device that has decent gaming capability with physical controls, the only options are getting something big like the aya neo, ayn odin or some other device that has some size and weight, so it doesn't really fit the play anywhere anytime mentality that is "the dream" of someone with not much time to play and trying to take care to avoid back and neck problems... I hope to see the day phones like that come to market, at least for me, it would be an instant buy! As it would technically check all boxes to play games that otherwise, sitting in the pc have low "chance" of getting played, games that are enjoyed in a more relaxed way like indies, persona, dead cells, are some games that personally I find the best to play lying down.
Great idea! It would be great to see Xperia style gaming phones with a slide out game pad. The other one I wish existed is a music player "walkman" style phone with a dedicated DAC!
They could even put the front camera on the slide out part of the device, so you can have that precious no-holepunch screen without having crazy under screen cameras. And If the screen could rotate so that it's vertical in relation to the controllers, that would make it ideal for DS, 3DS, and arcade games, as well as standard horizontal games
IF the 'Planet Computers - Astro Slide 5G' phone HAS a FULL physical QWERTY keyboard slide out, then JUST IMAGINE a TOP SPEC phone with slide out game controls! 👍 😎🇬🇧.
Ehh idk if i would want to get a sliding phone for gaming when i can buy a powerful android handheld for 200-300 dollars. It's gonna be more ergonomic, with better active cooling and Still wayy Cheaper than any "gaming" phone that will be released for sure.
Honestly it makes a lot of sense for the ROG phone to have a good camera. Nobody wants to carry around multiple devices, we want to have one that does all. And if the camera sucks, or the video quality is too bad, then its very possible some people just won't get it but go for a competitor instead. Razer Rishi type accessory for example is rather portable if you need physical controls, and i doubt those 'air triggers' are really doing that much for sales.
@@shun0825it still is... Its one of the few... Sharp now has a huge amount of Chinese ownership like many other companies but Sony and Panasonic etc.. Are still going strong.. We no longer have many new innovative products from them due to Chinese companies stealing every idea destroying all the effort it took to invent a product. Add that with online ording making it that you can only make money with Content now which Sony has a lot off with their music and movie companies.. In the past you would go to a store and buy a product that cane from a good brand after checking it out... Now people buy what Amazon tells them to buy and dont care about what random name that Chinese Compnay is using this week as long as its cheap..
I really don't think people would go back to a slider at this point. However I could see a new way to have a gamepad for a (gaming) phone: make it a magnetic accessory with Qi2, attach magnetically, when not in use the phone holder part could fold over to protect the controller part to just throw in a bag. Give it a big battery so it balances out the weight and also won't let your phone deplete while you play. Also, integrate some peltier into it to keep the phone cool, add a headphone jack (over bluetooth) and we are done. If it's Qi2 you can sell it to most phones, but you could make cases to fit non-Qi2 phones too. I realize it's not much better than a standard backbone like controller in terms of portability, but having an integrated powerbank makes it a valid choice to carry around, and while you already have it you might just as well play. I know for me battery-anxiety is one of the reasons I rarely play while on the go.
But how does it connect with Qi2? The only way is through bluetooth probably, and that introduces latency to the controls. For more casual players, maybe it's fine. But for more competitive players, it's a dealbreaker. It is an interesting concept though!
I'm not really a mobile gamer. a phone with slide-out controls would be awesome, but I'd like a bigger screen. I bought an Odin 2 a year ago specifically for emulating older games. the fact it runs android so I can maybe play Assassin's Creed Jade (if it ever comes out) is just a bonus to me.... and now that the Odin 2 Portal is out with a 7-inch OLED screen, I'm having a tiny bit of remorse...
Never realized it was patented I always figured they were just making gaming phones for mobile games and also didn't want to deal with the thickness. The Xperia play came out here really delayed with outdated specs and didn't get a lot of updates. It was fart in the wind in the states. Also was a Verizon exclusive iirc.
That was my first phone! It was terrible though. I loved gaming but it came with no memory at all and an SD card slot provided nearly off the memory for the device. It was so close to being a good phone but it needed a bigger battery, more memory and a bigger screen.
I had that Xperia Play phone. It was cool, but didn't live up to my expectations. The touchpad "sticks" were not a good choice. But sliding out that controller and playing classic games on the subway was pretty awesome.
Even if Sony said "Everyone PLEASE make sliding epic gaymer phones!!! We give you full permission no direct contact needed!!!" no one would do it. People won't even make sliding keyboard phones anymore because most people got used to using touch typing and now little timmy has gotten used to playing fortnite with his touch controls. Even if someone does make one, it'd be from a small manufacturer and it'd bankrupt them or they'd just never update it and ignore emails despite still selling it for hundreds (like UNIHERTZ) and then DEFINITELY no one would wanna do it. I miss the era of pure and utter SOVL with phones where you'd walk down the street and see someone with a completely different and unique phone with some weird gimmick that you were jealous of too but it's over. The phone has fallen.
Nice sim setup! I just got myself a cube controls F Core wheel and a Simagic Alpha direct drive base. But if you're rocking the F Pro and a Simucube base that's a properly $$$ rig!
Sadly, games on ARM don't exist outside of iPhones and MacBooks. This formfactor _is_ brilliant though. The screen sitting higher up taking some of the strain off your neck alone makes this an ergonomic win compared to the Switches and Steam Decks of the world that force you to hunch over.
I tried so hard back in the day to be an android emulator but it always ended up so much better to just Have my PSP in another pocket and it still is. I think what a phone with proper slide out gaming controls will NEED to be successful is a couple of exclusive games. Perhaps nothing mind blowing, but definitely something that could work in a hybrid form factor. Its all about controls. If they can managed four shoulder triggers, a full face and a pair of sticks, then use a regular phone gyroscope to implemetnt gyro aiming you have the chance to channel what nintendo did to make BOTW suit that hybrid switch form factor so well. A game that was fun in short bursts and for long sessions in different ways. Perhaps something that makes use of the more Indoor/Outdoor duality a gaming phone could have access to. Pokemon Go, and all the other popular geocaching phone games, could be an interesting place to start
@vinylmodsmanitoba well but if those computers are popular maybe when the patent expires then phone makers are making proper gaming phones with physical controls and this has maybe the same effect as when ipad camed out it killed the netbook era so when physical controller phone area cames maybe same will happen and gaming phones demolish the small gaming computer market like the gpd:)
Asus should double down on making it a great gaming device with said slider and shrink the Zenfone series back down to cover the 2 niches they were known for. Up the software support and build up the brand. It'll be a recipe for success.
This is why I hate patents. They can be useful if implemented, however they hinder progress in tech when companies just shelve a feature and do nothing with it. There should be a stipulation for these kinds of patents, so that companies don't sit on ones they don't use.
if you notice the pattern of rog phones you know they massively change the design after releasing 2 models, so rog phone 10 might have a different design than 9
What about folding phones for gaming? The folding mechanisms are already good enough, they aren´t much thicker than regular phones nowadays and they have the same power, battery life and cameras as regular flagships. Just replace half of the inner screen with a D-pad and you´re good to go. Or you can add another smaller screen and make something like a nintendo DS.
I just want a DS like device that could work to play DS games. I think putting a screen as well as the controls on the bottom part would be pretty cool and I would probably buy it. Basically a slidy DS
@@gabrieltorres6633 yes, but a slidey DS would be awesome though. Though I doubt anyone would make one because it would be too expensive for such a under usable gimmick.
I've been saying it since the iPhone X: The lack of good gaming controls has lost billions in game sales. Most PC gamers spend thousands on their big, fan-filled towers to enjoy games with cutting edge graphics. Phone makers could even add some software features that would allow a phone's game controller to pair with a PC or console as a Bluetooth game controller, allowing the phone's display to be used as a secondary display, ala Nintendo DS and 3DS. I'm still shocked that none of the console mfers have released premium game controllers with a small OLED display to serve the same purpose, like the Nintendo Wii U controller that's over 12 years old already. Smartphones have been drop dead boring for nearly a decade now. The first phone mfger that provides premium game controllers to a smartphone could disrupt the smartphone market, and it just doesn't seem that difficult to engineer. Perhaps we'll see a Steam Phone soon running SteamOS based on ARM64, alongside Half Life 3?
Im surprised you didnt mention that kickstarter project some kid is making that is a phonecase that is also a slideout controller. I rogot what its called but he made an indepth youtube video on it and 3d printed tons of prototypes.
Phones have had keyboards since long before. Keyboards that you can play games on, of course. Doesn't seem a patent that'd hold up in court, especially if it could be used for other things, such as cut and paste, etc... Good idea, though. Alot of old tech should be revisited.
Yeah it's the controls holding back Rog phone. Not the stupid high prices with less than what a normal phone offers overall. Give Asus more ideas to inflate their already high price tags.
Putting the best camera possible on a gaming phone makes perfect sense. It's going to be expensive either way. So why would you make your customers choose between having a good camera and good gaming features. Is it unreasonable to think people would want both, especially people spending $800 or more? Personally, I don't care about mobile games in their current state. But I'll pretend I do for a moment. If I had to choose between an ROG that does gaming a little better and a Samsung or iPhone that still does gaming really well but also does everything else a lot better, I'm choosing the Samsung or iPhone every time.
There must be another reason for this not to have been implemented so far. Gaming smartphones are expensive, their manufacturers certainly can afford to pay some dollars to Sony so as to get the necessary license to use this feature...
As much as I loved Xperia Play back then and really wanted to see another real gaming phone, I don't see why a smartphone would launch with a dedicated controller. I mean, what purpose would a company create a smartphone like this? For COD, Genshin and Minecraft? Genshin doesn't even have a native controller support on Android. There isn't a decent library on Android that makes us seriously invest on controllers. I know emulators and cloud gaming exist but I don't think they're enough reason to a company sell gaming smartphones.
in the future we'll probably see phones with controllers integrated but Genshin and cod won't support the controllers because they aren't ps or xbox controllers
Didn't Sony announce that they were gonna release an actual handheld gaming device, not a streaming only device(looking at you ps portal) So they'll probably just renew that lisence with that new device
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This guy gets it. We need slider gaming phones.
I've asked Asus for this as well
at least, we need slide out controller attachments for smartphones!
IF the 'Planet Computers - Astro Slide 5G' phone HAS a FULL physical QWERTY keyboard slide out, then JUST IMAGINE a TOP SPEC phone with slide out game controls! 👍 😎🇬🇧
@@facepunch3554 I'd love to see a phone with rails that can either add a keyboard and optical touchpad or a gamepad to the back.
@@facepunch3554 Yes. I want to play pokemon rumble without dumb touch controls on my phone.
Agreed. I believe it’s definitely doable and could be as thick as current gen foldable.
wtf, sony patented that???? AND they only made ONE phone with it??? CRIMINAL
Truly
it should be copyrights are the worst
IP law only exists to protect corps, it hurts consumers and stifles innovation, sadly all very legal tho, and profitable, which is the thing that matters
There should be like some law on "responsible patenting"
If only I had known that Sony is the reason we haven't had another sliding phone all these years. Super dickhead move and makes me really not want to buy their crap.
Holy shit. 10 years ago mobile gaming was "The Future™" but Sony actually single-handedly killed it! That's insane. It's completely mind-boggling how much damage patents have done when you really think about it.
For reasons no one in the last 15 years can explain, the PS Vita just didn't sell very well, despite having an OLED display and 3G data, in 2011! It was the first OLED display I'd seen at the time and I bought one thevsame day. still have my PS Vita and remember the PS Play as well. Wasn't there another called the PS Go? Sony Ericsson intended to launch a series of PS compatible phones but after iPhone, they abandoned those plans. I was unaware of their patent on slider controls until I saw this video, so kudos to AP for sharing that critical point.
I don't think folks fully understand how completely disruptive the iPhone was for its time. It cost more than any other phone and initially lacked app support. The iPhone changed everything. It made Apple a trillion bucks and pushed incumbents Microsoft & Intel right out of the mobile market. Today, it's become a bit boring and just like every other slab phone made. We need some new products to make mobile exciting again. 👍
@@ToeCutter0 It wasn't just the iPhone. Sony shot themselves in the foot by being incredibly greedy with the proprietary memory cards for the Vita. Now there are alternatives, but back then there weren't and very few people were willing to pay the ridiculous prices for them.
Sony really did pioneer alot of innovations back then, that we all just take for granted today. How I missed Xperia.
Sony is still great just not available worldwide
I don't think we took it for granted. Those innovations came with severe downsides
@@ethanhuntBravoEcho11They available worldwide I order Sony phones from eBay all the time they ship worldwide 😊
@@ethanhuntBravoEcho11how are they not available worldwide? Where are they not sold? They're fairly popular in Asia and Europe, at least. I am writing this comment from an Xperia 5 III, a local UK model supporting local GSM bands...
@@Sylkis89 i mean India is a big smartphone Market but Sony left us 🥺 , there are still xperia fans here but iPhone show-off culture is also large now so from Sony pov it's understandable
Speaking of Xperia phones. I would definitely rock an 2011 Xperia Pro with the slide out physical keyboard if it was made with todays modern tech. I have never used a mobile phone for any serious mobile gaming so for me a physical keyboard would be perfect.
I'm exactly the same.
I need physical keyboard I used to be able to type so fast with them even without looking at the phone but with digital keyboard I always misspell 😢 makes me look retarded when I read the messages I sent
The fact that Sony, the one who patented it, didn’t make another phone like the xperia play is a huge missed opportunity.
ASUS ROG phone would be blowned out of the water with just the addition of sliding gamepad mechanism
I've been wanting an experience play phone 2. Damn Sony never released an updated version. Ugh
They made a version 2 in 2014 but scrapped it
It didn't sell well. But things have changed. Phone gaming is huge now. But thats company heads for you. Something doesn't make money... They never try again.
Here before the patent expires and this video blows up. 🎉
I had a PSP Go and I loved it. I have a telescopic controller and it is just kind of a hassle.
why? my telescopic controller works perfectly
@@dm.3145 I like it when it's on, but carrying it around and putting it on is a chore.
@dm.3145 works great but I have to carry it around and clip it on and off
software support is the most important thing for me before buying a phone
The next manufacturer who makes a real gaming phone (with full sliding gamepad) will print money.
I don't think so because you can attach controllers to your phone and make phone bigger and heavier or rather get one mobilecontroller pad.
Sony has a habit of doing this for it's standalone handhelds. Look at the proprietary memory cards and chargers from the PSP and PSVita. Is it any surprise they held this patent and did nothing with it after the fantastic Xperia Play?
this is why we can't have nice things before 2025
Glad to see you have found the answer, have been wondering about it since that other piece of content but hadn't taken the time to actually look into it.
The fact that most gaming phone are banned from mobile tournament due to some of its features are considered as cheating like the trigger. These manufacturers had to choose between mobile esports ready or portable consoles experience
This needs to be played at the next board meeting!
Preach!
The xperia play was ahead of the time. With more powerful phones these days, a revival of this would be amazing.
There should be legislation that renders patents expired if the company who owns the patent / IP does not have an active product that they are selling or are not working on one, for which they have to publicly state it.
Hoarding patents without using it is simply harmful to everyone, the patent owner included.
Fx teck phone 1 had a slide out keyboard and i always thought if that was swapped for tactile gaming buttons.it would have been amazing. This pattent ending is great news indeed. Gaming phone's with proper control's will push game developers and Google.
IF the 'Planet Computers - Astro Slide 5G' phone HAS a FULL physical QWERTY keyboard slide out, then JUST IMAGINE a TOP SPEC phone with slide out game controls! 👍 😎🇬🇧
I have one and this one of my first thoughts. Xperia Play like controller would be awesome 😄
I know there is an external slide out controller being made called the m-con controller. Hope it turns out well.
M-con controller can’t get here soon enough. I saw one prototype with MagSafe and a cut out for the camera bump.
The Nubia Redmagic design is the best for this slide out controller.
Still carry my PSP Go with me daily. Wish I could have that style in a modern phone.
Personally, it would be the perfect medium of play, working as a dev, I want to try and not be all day sitting, but still want to play pc games. It would be a game changer to have a phone what has integrated controllers (or some accessory that can be attached with some mechanism similar to MagSafe, while still fitting the phone well, not being too bulky and with some extra like fans, audio ports, battery?) to use to stream games with moonlight, play more emulators, that aren't as enticing to play if the medium doesn't fit or really satisfy that itch, for example... If you want to play gba or gbc, psp games, it is best to play it with physical controls, if you play it in a big screen it doesn't seem too accurate to the experience of the console, being capable of transmitting the feel of a portable console that is actually a proper and decent size (psvita - switch lite size) is awesome. As someone who is in the market for a device that has decent gaming capability with physical controls, the only options are getting something big like the aya neo, ayn odin or some other device that has some size and weight, so it doesn't really fit the play anywhere anytime mentality that is "the dream" of someone with not much time to play and trying to take care to avoid back and neck problems... I hope to see the day phones like that come to market, at least for me, it would be an instant buy! As it would technically check all boxes to play games that otherwise, sitting in the pc have low "chance" of getting played, games that are enjoyed in a more relaxed way like indies, persona, dead cells, are some games that personally I find the best to play lying down.
Great idea! It would be great to see Xperia style gaming phones with a slide out game pad. The other one I wish existed is a music player "walkman" style phone with a dedicated DAC!
They could even put the front camera on the slide out part of the device, so you can have that precious no-holepunch screen without having crazy under screen cameras. And If the screen could rotate so that it's vertical in relation to the controllers, that would make it ideal for DS, 3DS, and arcade games, as well as standard horizontal games
IF the 'Planet Computers - Astro Slide 5G' phone HAS a FULL physical QWERTY keyboard slide out, then JUST IMAGINE a TOP SPEC phone with slide out game controls! 👍 😎🇬🇧.
Ehh idk if i would want to get a sliding phone for gaming when i can buy a powerful android handheld for 200-300 dollars. It's gonna be more ergonomic, with better active cooling and Still wayy Cheaper than any "gaming" phone that will be released for sure.
Yes and you can also buy a telescopic controller for an android phone
@@dm.3145 Yeah that's also better option but doesn't really feel like a good value since they are pricey
Honestly it makes a lot of sense for the ROG phone to have a good camera. Nobody wants to carry around multiple devices, we want to have one that does all. And if the camera sucks, or the video quality is too bad, then its very possible some people just won't get it but go for a competitor instead. Razer Rishi type accessory for example is rather portable if you need physical controls, and i doubt those 'air triggers' are really doing that much for sales.
Back when Sony wasn't run by idiots.
back when when sony was still a japanese company
If it wasn't run by idiots why did they lose almost all their market share
@@shun0825it still is...
Its one of the few...
Sharp now has a huge amount of Chinese ownership like many other companies but Sony and Panasonic etc.. Are still going strong..
We no longer have many new innovative products from them due to Chinese companies stealing every idea destroying all the effort it took to invent a product.
Add that with online ording making it that you can only make money with Content now which Sony has a lot off with their music and movie companies..
In the past you would go to a store and buy a product that cane from a good brand after checking it out...
Now people buy what Amazon tells them to buy and dont care about what random name that Chinese Compnay is using this week as long as its cheap..
@@shun0825 mother company is still Japanese doesn't it?... and their smartphones still develop in Japan
I really don't think people would go back to a slider at this point. However I could see a new way to have a gamepad for a (gaming) phone: make it a magnetic accessory with Qi2, attach magnetically, when not in use the phone holder part could fold over to protect the controller part to just throw in a bag. Give it a big battery so it balances out the weight and also won't let your phone deplete while you play. Also, integrate some peltier into it to keep the phone cool, add a headphone jack (over bluetooth) and we are done. If it's Qi2 you can sell it to most phones, but you could make cases to fit non-Qi2 phones too. I realize it's not much better than a standard backbone like controller in terms of portability, but having an integrated powerbank makes it a valid choice to carry around, and while you already have it you might just as well play. I know for me battery-anxiety is one of the reasons I rarely play while on the go.
But how does it connect with Qi2? The only way is through bluetooth probably, and that introduces latency to the controls. For more casual players, maybe it's fine. But for more competitive players, it's a dealbreaker. It is an interesting concept though!
@@Agee317 yes, I was thinking about bluetooth. It's not that bad, honestly, I can't even tell the difference between my 8bitdo and a wired controller.
Someone in TH-cam already made a prototype for that
You just want a new Moto Z, the Gamepad attachment was all of that, and a latency free headphone jack. No Qi2, but pins are more versatile.
Phone, no
Emulation device? Yes!
Ryan is dropping some awesome content, and companies must start making it consumer-centric rather than company-centric.
THOSE HANDHELD EMULATOR COMPANIES CAN FINALLY DO THE PSP GO
Ambernic will 100% do this.
I had this when it came out and have been waiting for this to happen so long
I'm not really a mobile gamer. a phone with slide-out controls would be awesome, but I'd like a bigger screen. I bought an Odin 2 a year ago specifically for emulating older games. the fact it runs android so I can maybe play Assassin's Creed Jade (if it ever comes out) is just a bonus to me.... and now that the Odin 2 Portal is out with a 7-inch OLED screen, I'm having a tiny bit of remorse...
Never realized it was patented I always figured they were just making gaming phones for mobile games and also didn't want to deal with the thickness. The Xperia play came out here really delayed with outdated specs and didn't get a lot of updates. It was fart in the wind in the states. Also was a Verizon exclusive iirc.
Gaming centered phones like rog and redmagic are gonna have a field day as soon as these patents are gone
Very wish, this format could return.
But please with an all screen front, and a sliding keyboard instead that gaming pad.
And of course the same size!
That was my first phone! It was terrible though. I loved gaming but it came with no memory at all and an SD card slot provided nearly off the memory for the device. It was so close to being a good phone but it needed a bigger battery, more memory and a bigger screen.
Having to carry a thicker phone all the time is a much worse trade off the external stuff are much better
Not sure, but this might actually make screen more sustainable since the heat is not directly behind its back. It would be a sustainable solution.
I had that Xperia Play phone. It was cool, but didn't live up to my expectations.
The touchpad "sticks" were not a good choice. But sliding out that controller and playing classic games on the subway was pretty awesome.
I always wanted that phone
Valve's touchpads would be awesome on this 😄
Maybe this was was their inspiration?
I make games, I would 200% be making games for phones that have controllers built into them if this was to happen
The Sony Ericson Experia Play is the ideal form factor I've been wanting in a modern phone
Been waiting for a phone like that for soooooo long! I would absolutely buy one in a heart beat if it had proper controls.
If this ever happens. It's gonna be a instant buy
Even if Sony said "Everyone PLEASE make sliding epic gaymer phones!!! We give you full permission no direct contact needed!!!" no one would do it. People won't even make sliding keyboard phones anymore because most people got used to using touch typing and now little timmy has gotten used to playing fortnite with his touch controls. Even if someone does make one, it'd be from a small manufacturer and it'd bankrupt them or they'd just never update it and ignore emails despite still selling it for hundreds (like UNIHERTZ) and then DEFINITELY no one would wanna do it. I miss the era of pure and utter SOVL with phones where you'd walk down the street and see someone with a completely different and unique phone with some weird gimmick that you were jealous of too but it's over. The phone has fallen.
I dunno, without analog sticks.... how low profile could they get? Could they pop out somehow?
Please, PLEASE! A modern Xperia Play is my dream smartphone! I don't care about any other features!
Is there a similar patent for sliding keyboards? I would love a modern android phone with a sliding physical keyboard.
I would buy one of next generation xperia play in a hearth bit and it's criminal that sony having the patent never used it again
Nice sim setup! I just got myself a cube controls F Core wheel and a Simagic Alpha direct drive base. But if you're rocking the F Pro and a Simucube base that's a properly $$$ rig!
Last ROG phone I had was the 2. If they did THIS it would be an instant buy from me.
I've never understood why Sony didn't revisit the Play. They could make a beast of a gaming phone built into the PlayStation ecosystem.
Sadly, games on ARM don't exist outside of iPhones and MacBooks.
This formfactor _is_ brilliant though. The screen sitting higher up taking some of the strain off your neck alone makes this an ergonomic win compared to the Switches and Steam Decks of the world that force you to hunch over.
They'll all come to arm linux soon enough
Valve will probably release an arm steam deck
@@dm.3145 why would they come to arm linux?
I tried so hard back in the day to be an android emulator but it always ended up so much better to just Have my PSP in another pocket and it still is. I think what a phone with proper slide out gaming controls will NEED to be successful is a couple of exclusive games. Perhaps nothing mind blowing, but definitely something that could work in a hybrid form factor. Its all about controls. If they can managed four shoulder triggers, a full face and a pair of sticks, then use a regular phone gyroscope to implemetnt gyro aiming you have the chance to channel what nintendo did to make BOTW suit that hybrid switch form factor so well. A game that was fun in short bursts and for long sessions in different ways.
Perhaps something that makes use of the more Indoor/Outdoor duality a gaming phone could have access to. Pokemon Go, and all the other popular geocaching phone games, could be an interesting place to start
Man the dot matrix style back display is nice though...
i loved the samsungs with the slide out keyboard. i never used it but I lived it anyway.
I have been waiting for this for my whole life. When it released it was outdated already. Would have aged better if they but dual core cpu back then.
It’s weird because sony still makes phones but they don’t put this slider on them
If only!
Ive fallen for every phone gimmick, from the Ericsson to the Fold 5. The backloght went away almost immediately on that Sony
Well there is already those small gaming computers like gpd:)
Which are not cellphones and are mainly shit
@vinylmodsmanitoba well but if those computers are popular maybe when the patent expires then phone makers are making proper gaming phones with physical controls and this has maybe the same effect as when ipad camed out it killed the netbook era so when physical controller phone area cames maybe same will happen and gaming phones demolish the small gaming computer market like the gpd:)
@eemillampinen I miss the netbook era.
i want that Xperia UI back 😭i would definitely buy it if they build it again, and they can fit that camera bump on the rear no problem
Why can't I make calls from tablet, or steam deck?
They should just make a phone case with a sliding keyboard.
Also the keyboard can slide from the sides like a Nintendo switch
Asus should double down on making it a great gaming device with said slider and shrink the Zenfone series back down to cover the 2 niches they were known for. Up the software support and build up the brand. It'll be a recipe for success.
Hear me out: telescopic slide out controllers, gigantic screen on the middle, joycon size controllers slide to the sides
hopefully valve'll make a gaming phone now
Yes a gaming phone with tracing, gamepad and a camera from 2006.
This is why I hate patents.
They can be useful if implemented, however they hinder progress in tech when companies just shelve a feature and do nothing with it.
There should be a stipulation for these kinds of patents, so that companies don't sit on ones they don't use.
A folding phone with two screen, outer one for normal phone and the inner screen for gaming only. Sort of like the Nokia Communicator.
if you notice the pattern of rog phones you know they massively change the design after releasing 2 models, so rog phone 10 might have a different design than 9
What about folding phones for gaming? The folding mechanisms are already good enough, they aren´t much thicker than regular phones nowadays and they have the same power, battery life and cameras as regular flagships. Just replace half of the inner screen with a D-pad and you´re good to go. Or you can add another smaller screen and make something like a nintendo DS.
I just want a DS like device that could work to play DS games. I think putting a screen as well as the controls on the bottom part would be pretty cool and I would probably buy it. Basically a slidy DS
Fold phones are pretty good at this and run ds/4ds emulators really good
@@gabrieltorres6633 yes, but a slidey DS would be awesome though. Though I doubt anyone would make one because it would be too expensive for such a under usable gimmick.
I've been saying it since the iPhone X: The lack of good gaming controls has lost billions in game sales. Most PC gamers spend thousands on their big, fan-filled towers to enjoy games with cutting edge graphics. Phone makers could even add some software features that would allow a phone's game controller to pair with a PC or console as a Bluetooth game controller, allowing the phone's display to be used as a secondary display, ala Nintendo DS and 3DS.
I'm still shocked that none of the console mfers have released premium game controllers with a small OLED display to serve the same purpose, like the Nintendo Wii U controller that's over 12 years old already.
Smartphones have been drop dead boring for nearly a decade now. The first phone mfger that provides premium game controllers to a smartphone could disrupt the smartphone market, and it just doesn't seem that difficult to engineer. Perhaps we'll see a Steam Phone soon running SteamOS based on ARM64, alongside Half Life 3?
Im surprised you didnt mention that kickstarter project some kid is making that is a phonecase that is also a slideout controller. I rogot what its called but he made an indepth youtube video on it and 3d printed tons of prototypes.
they finna add a slide out controller but would never add removable storage or a headphone jack with a good DAC ☠
the question is, why isn't sony making more out of this? rather than making handheld pcs
Phones have had keyboards since long before. Keyboards that you can play games on, of course. Doesn't seem a patent that'd hold up in court, especially if it could be used for other things, such as cut and paste, etc... Good idea, though. Alot of old tech should be revisited.
Asus will be all over this design watch throw in a gen3 and you have a beast !
Yeah it's the controls holding back Rog phone. Not the stupid high prices with less than what a normal phone offers overall. Give Asus more ideas to inflate their already high price tags.
rog used to have the Kunai controllers going up to the 6, but having detachable controllers presents its own kind inconvenience
I still have my Xperia play but it's very difficult to do anything not like when it was brand new 😞
Its for gaming, it doesn't even need a camera at all.
WIll you review the astroslide 5G? Great concept although the execution wasn't as trouble free as one would wish.
Putting the best camera possible on a gaming phone makes perfect sense. It's going to be expensive either way. So why would you make your customers choose between having a good camera and good gaming features. Is it unreasonable to think people would want both, especially people spending $800 or more?
Personally, I don't care about mobile games in their current state. But I'll pretend I do for a moment. If I had to choose between an ROG that does gaming a little better and a Samsung or iPhone that still does gaming really well but also does everything else a lot better, I'm choosing the Samsung or iPhone every time.
Maybe it's just me but touch controls are wonderful once u get used to em, well mostly in cod 😅
There must be another reason for this not to have been implemented so far. Gaming smartphones are expensive, their manufacturers certainly can afford to pay some dollars to Sony so as to get the necessary license to use this feature...
That was a great idea by Sony back then, now they'll need to fix gaming landscape on mobile that is serious garbage unless you want to use emulators.
Reminds me of the m-con controller in development by a single dev rn 🎉
As much as I loved Xperia Play back then and really wanted to see another real gaming phone, I don't see why a smartphone would launch with a dedicated controller.
I mean, what purpose would a company create a smartphone like this? For COD, Genshin and Minecraft? Genshin doesn't even have a native controller support on Android.
There isn't a decent library on Android that makes us seriously invest on controllers. I know emulators and cloud gaming exist but I don't think they're enough reason to a company sell gaming smartphones.
Just get a attacheble gamepad to your phone, best of all worlds
in the future we'll probably see phones with controllers integrated but Genshin and cod won't support the controllers because they aren't ps or xbox controllers
will be better if instead of physical buttons put another touchscreen in there
Why not both? Something like DS for example.
This is a prime example for patents that should never be granted.
I prefer a dedicated Android device for gaming like the Retroid Pocket 5
Didn't Sony announce that they were gonna release an actual handheld gaming device, not a streaming only device(looking at you ps portal)
So they'll probably just renew that lisence with that new device
I can already see redmagic dropping this phone in October
Good to know this 👍