Understanding Dispensationalism and the Bible's Big Picture with Mike Vlach
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- What is dispensationalism? How does dispensationalism differentiate itself as a system from other ways of interpreting Scripture? I'm joined by special guest Michael Vlach to discuss his new book Dispensational Hermeneutics. We talk about how dispensationalism is more than just an eschatology, but really a whole framework for reading the Bible.
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I love Vlach's work on eschatology! A friend of mine bought his book for me and I couldn't put it down! This book greatly helped me to understand how the big picture of eschatology, which is clearly revealed in Daniel and Revelation, is indeed simply and profoundly laid out in Scripture literally. Spiritualizing eschatology, as some systems do, complicates things tremendously. Looking forward to Vlach's new book: The New Creation model.
Yes, I think we *all* are eagerly awaiting Vlach's new book! So glad to hear you have already read Dispensational Hermeneutics!
The globalists at the "World Economic Forum" have said by 2030 you will own nothing, and you will be "happy". Meanwhile many in the modern Church claim we do not need to be concerned about global government. The truth is found below.
What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine?
Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
(The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Watch the TH-cam video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.
In defending the Dispensationalism hermeneutic J.C.Ryle said that if we believe that Christ prophecies concerning his first advent literally, there is no reason why we shouldn’t believe prophecies about his second advent will be literally fulfilled.
I was at the Shepherds Conference where MacArthur said every self respecting Calvinist should be a pre-millennialist. During a break I found myself in conversation with a bunch of Presbyterians who asked my opinion on the millennial kingdom question. They were shocked when I said it was in the whole tenor of Scripture. A couple years ago I did a read through of the Bible and wrote down every reference with premillennial implications. My list has 1646 verses!
A Millennium Puzzle to solve… Will Christ be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents 500 years after His Second Coming?
The “first resurrection” in Rev. chapter 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation, because the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead in chapter 11. There are two different types of resurrection in John chapter 5. There is a spiritual resurrection from the dead in John 5:24, and a bodily resurrection from the dead in John 5:28-29.
Does your view of the Millennium agree with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing? The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage? There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19.
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Does your view agree with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time? Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time.
Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
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Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
We know this.
The Millennial reign of Christ is literal.
And, it is still yet to happen.
@@SpotterVideo Thank you for taking the time to write. and there is much left that can add to your case. ...The end of the world is at hand, 50,000,000 Christians about to go into the worst tribulation in history, and we're claiming land promises for national Israel.... I'm in the same Israel Paul is in.
If the 5 million pre-tribs would come out of fable land, that would help. If we exhort one another daily, - to endure and get focused, and beginning with me. It counts to speak the truths of scriipture. promote righteousness. to preach the gospel. the democrat party is going to eternal fire.
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We know this.
Christ is on the throne, reigning now; that is literal.
He will continue reigning UNTIL all enemies are put under his feet.
The last enemy is death.
Death will be defeated, AT THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE.
When this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Christ is reigning and will reign UNTIL the rapture.
After that, there will be NO MORE DEATH.
Does that LAST TRUMP occur before the Tribulation??
No. there will be millions of Christians put to death during the Tribulation.
No. because there is a great Trump when Lord comes in Mat 24.29-31
That GREAT TRUMP of Mat 24 is THE LAST TRUMP. And in fact, at that Trump, he will send his angels
to gather the elect from the uttermost part of heaven (dead in Christ)
to the uttermost part of the earth (we which are alive and remain)
After this LAST TRUMP, there will be no more death.
Do you have death occurring in your millennium after Christ coming at the LAST TRUMP?
Yes you do. - because it is a fable mill, made-up.
2 Tim 4: the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead AT HIS APPEARING
and his kingdom; For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
We know these things.
Fear God and let go of Fables. God is not pleased when men of God
are like giddy teenage girls. (in fact a teenage Pentecostal girl prompted the pre-trib rapture!)
I implore you to put on the armour, and a sound mind, and pull down strong holds.
When taken in light of its historical and literary context I find there to be zero cases of premillenialism. Very few outside of America even teach it. When I consider that only 1-2 percent of the people could read at the time, no complex systematic theology could be taught and understood. Therefore no complex theologies were taught by any of the writers of scripture and Jesus. I find it interesting how few know what to do with Old Testament references both in the Old Testament and New Testament. I have yet to hear any of these men who teach the Bible as inerrant able to teach the consistency of Exodus 1:11 and 1 Kings 6:1 as 1446 BC.
"The Big Picture holistically." Love it. So simple, even children can understand it. Why some adults don't want to believe it is beyond me. Maranatha!
Thank you for your faithfulness to the Scriptures, my brothers! Our Lord is glorified through it 🙏🏽
Appreciate the encouragement my friend!
What cemented my Dispensationalism was Reformed theology's inability to consistently interpret the Torah. I found RT's inconsistency jarring.
That is certainly a notable inconsistency!
Interesting….could you give an example or two?
John MacArthur claims to be a reformed. No systematic theology replaces scripture. Exegesis starts with scripture. Eisegesis starts with a theological system. Dispensational theology has been revised twice after Clarence Larkin. All of those in scripture practiced biblical theology.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
@@SpotterVideoBeloved, who is the son of man (matthew 25:31), and who is the King (Matthew 25:34)? And what is the context?
This was so helpful to me. Helped in many ways I wasn’t able to articulate myself when speaking to Amillenial friends. Thank you so much. So calm and informative and interesting. Clarified so much for me.
Thanks for sharing this, it is very encouraging! May God be praised.
Just found you all. Thank-you Mike and Peter on this new book review. Looking forward to this.
So glad you found us! Hope you find some useful stuff on the channel.
Helpful video, love the clear articulation, thank you brothers.
Excellent!
Like the holistic emphasis. Good convo.
Thanks, Johanon. Glad it could be helpful!
Great job brothers
Excellent presentation.
Praise the Lord! Thanks for watching.
Great work guys. End times is one of my pet subjects. Enrolled at TMS this Fall 2024 from Cape Town, SA.
Hoping to take some classes in the breaks if its offered your side, Might just do my Th.M at STS if the Lord so wills as this a topic that needs to see a rise of serious scholarship. Would hv loved if Vlach was still at TMS though
Appreciate you watching and the encouraging note, my friend! Always great to meet a brother from SA. Love my brothers and colleagues at TMS. Such a formidable place in my life. We would love to have you do your ThM at STS some day. Blessings on your studies!
Well seen and well said.
I'm thankful for the grace given to Michael for this work and for Michael's gentleness and kindness when dealing with these issues. He holds firm to his position as a serious student of the Word but communicates it with grace and kindness which is what we are all called to do.
Great interview.
I’ve seen a lot of young men lean towards post mill views lately. There seems to be a greater desire to do something politically and post mill views bolster that desire. Theonomy seems to grab people that want to make a change for God and be tough.
Good observation, Daniel. That is exactly what I've seen as well. This also leads to the "bandwagon" phenomenon where it is the "cool" position to take, and that leads even more people on that road.
@@thebiblesojourner hi, thank you for replying.
I was watching quite a bit of Joel Webbon but got tired of his dispensational bashing. He seems to have attracted a few guys who are ultra patriarchal and then seems to be gathering a following from that. I think the Jordan Peterson affect has taken root in the church and the post mill guys seems to really identify with him and Ben Shapiro; they like an eschatological view that is more compatible with their way of thinking. It’s almost like an anti work movement that the NAR churches seem a bit more open to embrace, they’re the counter reaction in the post mill defence.
@@thebiblesojournerThis is especially true when beer and cigars are involved, along with beards… #DougWilson 🤔😉🙏
@@thebiblesojourner is being a Christ follower part of “bandwagon” phenomenon? What is the criteria for something to be labeled “bandwagon” phenomenon?
No one is talking about following Christ, but being part of the boy's club with beards and cigars after adopting the postmill position.
I really appreciate the comment about Israel being the focus as much as God in His Word reveals it to be so.
To believe that the prophecies concerning Christ's first coming were ALL fulfilled to the letter and then to do the opposite, by allergorizing/spiritualizing the prophecies concerning His second coming is heartbreaking and makes studying the Word of God very confusing!
God has a purpose and plan for both Israel and the Church, the Body of Christ.....and once you have some understanding and knowledge of the 'big picture' of His plan it becomes the greatest joy to the heart ❤.
Another book I would recommend is called ' The Bible: The Big Picture' by John and Lori Verstegen.
One suggestion I would make is to read ALL the Scripture references...God's story has to sink into the heart.
I will be ordering the book talked about in this video which I stumbled upon just now.
There is a good reason why I listen to Amir Tsafarti, Dr Ken Johnson (his lectures on the beliefs of the early church fathers are solid), Dr Andy Wood (aside from OSAS) JD Farag, Greg Laurie, Chuck Smith, Jan Markel. Solid Dispensational ideas, pre-tribulation rapture, pre-millenialist.
Premillennialism and pretrib rapture have certainly fallen on hard times in social media land! Glad there are still teachers out there working at it :)
Great presentation. New Sub
Really appreciate that. I hope you will find the the soon to be released material helpful as well.
Super helpful 😂
Thank you-so glad it was helpful!
What I would like to see published is a series of simple Bible studies for use in a group that covers the key aspects of Dispensationalism. Does anyone know of such a series of studies?
It really is a lack right now. Lord willing, Mike told me he was hoping to put together something like that. We will see!
Anything by Les Feldick will meet your requirement. He went around the country for years doing just this.
It would be interesting to see a discussion with Mike and Amir Tsafarti vs the likes of NT Wright, Albert Mohler, Doug Wilson.
Good discussions are always worth their weight in gold!
N.T Wright?!
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
What a beautiful passage!
The problem with dispensationalism is that it denies or ignores shadow/substance in many passages thereby prioritizing the shadow which passes away when substance arrives. This causes a sensational eisegesis of doctrines such as separation of the church and Israel, secret rapture etc…
Not sure if you’ve actually listened to or read many dispensationalists, but it is actually a hermeneutic issue. The defining issue is authorial intent. What did Moses intend his readers to understand, what did Isaiah intend Israel to take away from his prophecies, etc. And the dispensationalist is committed to harmonizing OT and NT, not presupposing that the NT changes the OT meaning.
Although, in all fairness, no one can deny many dispensationalists are guilty of what you say. But that’s eisegesis is a personal problem, not inherent to dispensationalism.
@@thebiblesojournerthere is a fundamental misunderstanding that the non-dispensationalist is trying to spiritual or re-interpret the OT. I am hearing and seeing references in the video and comments about the “big picture” yet dispensationalism focuses only on the historical literal interpretation of a particular passage. Authorial intent should be sought after but what about the intent of the true Author within the greater context of scripture?
For example, using the dispensational hermeneutic, we could never acknowledge the symbolism of Moses(OC Law) not being able to bring Israel(any person) into the promised land(the kingdom of God) but instead it is Joshua(Jesus) who brings them into the land(kingdom) by faith. This is to symbolize the new covenant entry of anyone into the kingdom by faith alone. Was this Moses intent when he wrote of the historical account? No, but was it Gods intent to symbolize a greater(many would accuse of spiritualized) interpretation of this story? Absolutely it was Gods intent. We are to read it in both ways, as historical account and symbolizing a greater truth. This negates the foundational point you are trying to stand on regarding dispensational hermeneutic and authorial intent.
I truly appreciate Vlachs emphasis on the kingdom, even though I disagree with his dispensational stance.
@@thebiblesojourner would you say that 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15 are speaking of the same rapture?
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I would like to see him address Philippians 3 and what Chafer wrote about the three groups of people---Jews, Gentiles, and the church. Phil. 3:2-3 "Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh," Dispensationalism has been revised two times since Clarence Larkin. Jesus practiced biblical theology which is still practiced today among Christians in the world and especially in societies who do not read and write. No systematic theology was ever used in scripture.
Fair question how can Vlach teach at Shepherds, home of Cary's most arch Calvinistic church, when Calvinism IN FACT, argues against Dispensational theology? If we're all predestined one way or another why did Christ tell Paul to reveal the mystery of the Body of Christ and salvation by faith alone? What difference would it make? Sadly as soon as I read Vlach teaches at Shepherds I lost in interest. I prefer pure dispensationalists such as Les Feldick, Justin Johnson, and Jim Debaney.
Justin Johnson from Grace Ambassadors is excellent!! Such an incredible blessing! There are notes to print out with every teaching.
I enjoyed the "Left Behind" series for what it was. Largely fiction.
I still haven’t read it, but probably would enjoy it… as fiction 😀
I like the 'least gnostic' comment.
After the return of the Jews from Babylonian Captivity, Zechariah prophesied this...
"10I took my staff Favor and cut it in pieces, to break my covenant which I had made with all the peoples. 11So it was broken on that day, and thus the afflicted of the flock who were watching me realized that it was the word of the LORD. 12I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the LORD. 14Then I cut in pieces my second staff Union, to break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel."
[From Zechariah 11]
The interpretation of this prophecy concerns the time of Christ when...
* the Old Covenant between God and the descendants of Jacob was broken,
* the brotherhood between the house of Judah and the house of Israel (newly redeemed) was broken by the Jews who began persecuting the the New Covenant people, and
* the payment of thirty pieces of silver for the life of Israel's Redeemer.
The chapter immediately preceding Zechariah 11 tells how the Lord will strengthen the house of Judah and save the house of Joseph (i.e., the house created when Jacob gave the blessing that he received from the Angel connected to which was the name, "Israel") to Joseph's sons, Ephraim and Manasseh.
Upon being redeemed, the house of Israel, once again, had access to Jerusalem- exactly as prophesied in Zechariah 10.
Upon being persecuted by the Jews, New Covenant Israel was driven out and scattered among the nations- exactly as prophesied in Zechariah 10.
Yet to be fulfilled is the prophecy, in Zechariah 11, that the Lord will return Israel to Lebanon and Gilead.
Eventually, branches of Judah (once her own olive tree) will be grafted into New Covenant Israel- at the expense of the tribe of Dan whose mother slept with Jacob's son, Reuben.
And I saw another angel ascending *from the east* having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
{Revelation 7:2}
“For as the lightning *cometh out of the east* and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
{Matthew 24:7}
And *the sixth angel* poured out his vial [plague] upon the great river Euphrates; and the water [support] thereof was dried up, *that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared*
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, *to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty*
"Behold, I come as a thief. *Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments* lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, *It is done*
{Revelation 16:12-17}
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
{Revelation 19:1-2}
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Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God*
{Revelation 19:7-9}👈
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Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues.
Eschatology has also ramifications for soteriology. Often times it is said that dispensationalism only influences eschatology and ecclesiology. Not true.
I think it is actually better to argue that hermeneutics has ramifications for soteriology and eschatology. You will find many individuals who have all sorts of mixed soteriologies and eschatological views. But it is when someone has a consistent hermeneutical method of reading Scripture that one's theology starts to become more consistent.
@@thebiblesojourner Yes. I like to think that dispensationalism is not a system per se but a method of bible interpretation. Sadly, many dispensationalists are not consistent in their hermeneutical method and end up with soteriological errors usually found within covenant theology.
That's exactly what it us.
"Did God Abolish The Law?" If you have time take a look I have made a short 3min. video on this channel answering forever the question
Why Paul?
What do you mean?
Acts 2?!
The gospel taught by Peter and the Lord in his earthly ministry was without the cross. Nobody could be saved in Matthew-John by the gospel of the cross, which is the only gospel that brings salvation to all men today.
Today, preaching the gospel without the cross is vain (1 Cor 1:17-18). There are other gospels in the Bible given to Israel that are without the cross. They would not be vain according to God’s promises to Israel, but they need to be rightly divided from the gospel that saves into the church.
God is not bringing in his kingdom to Israel today, but he is ministering the good news of Christ crucified and resurrected for the sins of all men. A gospel without the cross is no gospel to lost sinners. The only gospel that saves today requires the cross of Christ.
I could be misunderstanding you, but are you saying there were different gospels that saved people? A gospel for those prior to the cross and a gospel for those after?
I really GCC takes a long look at Michael should John steps down.
I think Michael likes it in NC a little too much 😀
@@thebiblesojourner Oh I Thought he was at the Grace seminary out in California.
@@graysonbr He was for a long time (that's where we both originally met), but has moved to Shepherds Theological Seminary in Cary, NC.
If Acts 2 is your pattern then why haven't you sold all of your possessions?
I’m sorry but I’m a bit confused by this comment. Could you clarify what you mean?
This post is really for pretribbers. We teach you are correct in that the rapture is before Daniel's 70th week. The rapture is before the seals will be opened. But what is dispensation? Is it a new way God saves people or new knowledge given? We teach people must be obedient to the new knowledge given by God.
When Moses was given the law, the law itself never saved anyone. Nobody kept the law perfectly. But because of respect to God, the nation of Israel obeyed the rituals of the feasts and commandments. Great judgments would have come upon the nation of Israel if they had said we don't want to do all these rituals. It would have been very disrespectful. The law was not complete knowledge. And the righteous kept it as best they could but were still saved by grace from a forgiving God. We see this with king David.
John the Baptist said the Messiah is about to appear. This is when new knowledge was given. The law ends. Luke 16 16. The law and the prophets were until John the Baptist. Not what many pretribbers teach. The church age started when Jesus appeared and new knowledge was given. At that time, a woman was caught in adultery. The law said she must be stoned. But Jesus was able to forgive. The law said an eye for and eye. Peter said, how many times do I have to forgive my brother. Jesus did not say we are still under the law and in a few years the Apostle Paul will appear and then it is 70 times 7.
A new dispensation started when new knowledge was given. We know the New Testament was confirmed at the cross. But the years Jesus gave new knowledge, the law was done away with. At that time, Jesus could forgive the sins of a paralyzed man. There was no need for any ritual from the law. There is only one gospel. And it started after John the Baptist announced the Messiah. And to say Matthew 24 and Mark 13 is for Israel is error.
After the pretrib rapture, new knowledge will be given. There will be no more atheists or many religions. There will only be two choices. A one world religion that will worship the unholy trinity. Or faith in Jesus and persecution. And yes the Holy Spirit will indwell tribulation saints. And yes there will be prophets in Daniel's 70th week. And yes mystery Babylon will be drunk with the blood of God's prophets. Tribulation saints will call on the name of Jesus. That is not what was done in the times of the law.
Appreciate you watching and commenting, Neil. I appreciate your definition of a new dispensation being related to new knowledge, but that may be too broad. I think there are probably times in Scripture where new knowledge is given, but doesn’t change the way God works with Israel etc.
For the benefit of others, I should add that for many modern dispensationalists the idea or number or dispensations is a non-issue. The biggest issue is one of hermeneutics, although traditionally many dispensationalists did talk about how many dispensations there were/are. It can be a valid discussion, I just personally don’t find as much value as
Some of the other parts of the discussion.
Would it be fair to say that Dispensational Pre-millenialism is the only model that rejects replacement theology - supercessasationism ?
Thats a great question. That’s not quite accurate to say only dispensationalists hold to a future for Israel. Historically there have actually been covenant theologians who have held to a future for Israel as spoken of in the OT. So there is variation of those who hold to a future for Israel. But as a system, dispensationalism is the only system where it is intrinsic to the system itself.
@@thebiblesojourner ...I'll study up on the covenant theology....I've heard it mentioned more recently.
Mike Vlach does do a comparison of three pre-millenialist models which is a good little video.
It's a big subject that I really like, testing at times with the odd person here and there, some time mind blowing 🤯 ideas with a few models like preterism, 'how the stuff does that work' as that relies a lot on historical restructuring as far as I am concerned. I'm a layman but some some observations and pointed questions and those who are preterist, post-mill or a-mill and there seems to be a heavy reliance on allegory to the degree that I'd call it hyper allegory.
I said to a brother who is a post-mill 'just read the text' and he called me arrogant. As we talked some more about his interpretations on a couple of key points I said, 'that's how the Jay Dubs veiw that'. He was stunned. He also has a masters in theology whereas I do not even have a Cert.1. in theology.
Believers need to be careful as to what theology they learn as all that effort and creative writing can cause them to dig their heels in rather than investigate to where the scriptures point.
Be a Berean.
@@1969cmp I'm so glad you are pouring yourself into studying these things! May your tribe increase.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8, 3:16.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
@@SpotterVideo Dispensational Pre-millenialism teaches that Israel will be regrafted back into covenant relationship with God through Christ. Zechariah says that 'they' will come to revelation of who the Messiah is, though there will be much pain on the way and those of Israel who survive The Great Tribulation will be that remnant.
So there is not a duel covenant but simply there is a corporate destiny that must be fulfilled, one for The Church and one for national Israel.
Along the way, all individuals must be born again into Jesus Christ to be saved. Hence the redrafting when a mass of individuals who are of Israel will be saved. 😎
Like the religious zealots of Jesus’ time, dispensationalists are foolishly seeking an earthly Kingdom. ✔️
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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Those who have to use ridicule or condemnation to make their Bible doctrine work have revealed the doctrine for what it really is.
Mat_7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat_7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
@@SpotterVideo I was just joshin ya. Just trying to get a rise out of you.
Dispensationalism is a false teaching.
Can you define dispensationalism for me?
@@thebiblesojourner Sorry, beneath my dignity to address such a worldly, self-centered doctrine. Define it for yourself (Phil. 2:12).
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If the rules of interpretation you adhere to have presuppositions as indicated then it is arguable whether those are rules- and not just simply inductive reasonings purporting to strengthen the case for your position?
The problem with dispensationalism ( ignoring the tawdry history of Darby & those poor Bretheren, - and Scofield ) is that it leaves Jesus in the role of "repair man" as opposed to the glorious king whose( unimagined) glorious reign has begun. The absurd hypotheses of professional publishers like Mr Hagin demean the scope of the Gospel of the Kingdom. The usual coupling with cessationism just creates a spiritual gruel. And then " the rapture" ( sic). I think the Jehovahs Witnesses "offer" their enquirers more- and that is shockingto say.
The double standards applied by dispensationalists to what amounts to the dehumanizing treatment suffered by Christians in Palestine/ Israel are shameful. And that arises solely from the dispensational positioning on Israel. The smell of gnosticism abounds