tlm 49 vs tlm 102. Should I get a new mic?
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- Should I continue to record with my entry level Nuemann TLM 102 and save money to buy outboard gear for my home studio? Or should I upgrade and keep my newly purchased TLM 49? Mic battle time
TLM 49 - with shock mount - amzn.to/3EbwUqO
TLM 102 Black edition - amzn.to/3srl0qv
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I have the TLM 49… you would not regret keeping that!! Looking forward to seeing which direction ya go. Thanks for the great content
Thanks for the feedback
I considering on getting the clone in Advanced Audio CM49
I bought the Focusrite ISA One Mic Pre. It was made by Rupert Neve. It's a toss up as to a pre or good mic. . I think I would get the WA 67. You got good clean power with your apogee. A lot of times I don't use my outboard pre but use the 1073 plug in From UAD in my unison slot with my Apollo. I've gotten some of my best vocal sounds with it. Adding a good Tube condenser was game changing for me. I use a Mojave MA-300 Large Condenser Tube Mic. Twice as much as the WA67 but I bet it's no better. I buying that WA-67. Everywhere else wants 900$ but Pro Audio Source is able to give you the whole package brand new for less than 650$.
Keep 102 and invest in 1073 style preamp like heritage audio or warm audio 73eq. That would be better than 1.700$ that TLM49 cost.
Totally agree...the tlm 102 through a neve sounds ridiculous.
Totally agree🤝 but I think that à wa mpx should afford the warmth that the 49 have and not the 102, the combo should be perfect ! 🔥
Sweet! Just the test I was looking for my friend. I also have the TLM-102, and to me it’s very clear-sounding, but the frequency bump around 10k hz pretty much drives me crazy a lot of the times. Ah, man that sizzling at the top, and not much happening in the mid range…Once you have heard it, it can’t be ehm, unheard.
To me your comparison showed in a very good way the differences between these two mics, and I felt that the TLM-49 had way more presence in the mid range. To my ears the difference between these two guys was more than subtle.
Thanks for the feedback!
The 49 is levels above the 102.
I sold my 102 and got a U87AI second hand but basically brand new with the shock-mount and case - It was like half the price of a brand new one, I got lucky.
I've had my 49 for a few years. Best microphone out there if you're wanting studio vocals. It has the body & fullness that cheaper mics will never have. I would even caution against getting the 102 because of the difference.
I believe the 49 definitely sounds better. I realize it’s a lot more money too, but by comparison, the other mic appears very thin. Great video though and you can really hear the difference between the two mics with your style of voicing. Thank you very much for posting as I am in the same situation. Trying to decide on a new mic . I think you help me with that very much. Thank you again all the best you in 2024.
I’m glad it helped a little, I haven’t bought the 49 yet. I want to try the Lautent Atlantis before making a choice
Very interesting video. At some point I'll be thinking about either a TLM 103 or a TLM49, and I would love to hear your final output with the song you working on.
I still have my 102. But I would still like to have the 49 in the mic locker for sure.
I Have the tlm 49. and one of my clients who record at my studio have the 102. He prefers to practice with his mic. but professionally record using my mic. My pre is the Avalon 737. running into my UA Apollo twin. and my DAW is Logic.. So Go with the tlm 49. You won't regret it...
Thanks for the feedback and perspective! What does he do with the 49 in your studio? Vocals? Sing? Rap? Instruments?
The TLM49 really gives your voice alot more depth... smoother and thicker... the 102 is brighter and thinner... but a pop filter would help immensely... ;-)
Go with the 49
I think the tlm49 sounds fuller on your voice , but thats for everyone diffirent. Its not that much of a diffirence tbh but yes you have more body .
Im still battling with purchasing a tlm 49 or the 103 😅
I feel your struggle. I’m sure you will make the right choice.
Nice voice man!
Thanks for listening
I have to say I like the rounded and darker vibe of 102 more. But I guess you can quite easily eq 49 to match it.
Thanks for the feedback!
What a full sound you get with the 49 especially on the violin
Thanks for the feedback!
Hands down the 49
People are really liking the 49.
TLM49 hands down is the best sounding microphone full stop.
Thanks for the feedback!
outboard gear, tlm 49 sound fet and in front , but preamp mabe will improve more the music
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The 49 outperforms the 102 by far. But it picks up a lot of the room. Reverb doesn't fit at all.
Go with the 49 mos def
Hey buddy if you like the 67 The WA 67 From Warm Audio is one of the best clones period . out of all the styles of clones. Watch the tutorial from Masterclass comparing it to his Neumann 67 He knows his shit. He did a really deep test comparing them and he was blown away. He's not sponsored by anyone. All the other models of Warm Audio clones like the Wa 251 and the WA 47 . He didn't like but he said and I agree they got it right with the 67. They use all killer components like Lundahl transformers, and the K67 style vintage capsule like the original. You can get it with everything even a killer Gothem 7 pin cable for 639.00$ on Pro Audio Source online gear store. It's a no brainer. Watch the tutorial from Masterclass. I think he spells Masterclass a little different he's from Belgium . He's a total pro engineer does huge projects. You'll be glad you did. I know a 67 would sound better than both of those. Check it out. Good luck. That is if you didn't buy anything yet I just saw this is 10 months old.
Thanks for the feedback and recommendations! I own the TLM 102 and it does a majority of the heavy lifting for my rap vocals. I used a 67 on a project and that turned out well. I also own the sphere Lx mic and use the Sony 800 simulation from time to time. I haven’t bought anything other than those mics for vocals and I also own a royer 121, and a SM7B. For me it’s which mic will sound best on my voice at this point.
Get a neve / neve clones. They work wonders on microphones. I run my tlm 102 through my rnd 511 or my heritage audio ha73 and the neves makes it sound great. Very professional sound.
I literally just got a Neve Newton Channel strip/ eq/ compression. Let’s see what happens. Thanks for the advice!
@@PhearNoneGearGadgets no doubt...also the akg c414 xl 2 through neves is ridiculous...you can get them used for like 600 bucks... the sound is incredible.
I have a 49 and that thing is full sounding and smooth for me it would be difficult to get better I’ve heard it in comparison to the 49v and the differences were so minor and subtle it was shocking I’m running my 49 through a wt-72 preamp buy weight tank it’s a excellent tube pre then I just been running plug ins for everything else 🔥
Nice. I like the TLM 49, I just don’t know if it’s different enough from my TLM 102
I’d say it’s plenty different it’s got one of the most musical capsules ever built shares the same as the u47 I’d say the 102 is probably more 67ish but far less I’m actual comparison so your going to have way more high end sheen that’s what the 103 is known for the 49 capsule will allow you to mix quicker and better but that’s just my take on things have you decided on your preamp etc at the moment
Right now it’s just my Apogee Element 24, and plugins. I want the Neve 1073, and softube CL1B
Couldn’t go wrong bro bae 1073 is something I’d consider people say it’s great for rap stuff ecspecially
Tlm 102 has more clarity but needs more bass in post, 49 is more rounded and has more character for hip hop voices. I worked with both in a studio having also some analog outboard. For me tlm 102 is really difficult to beat price to performance , and i would suggest to keep both couse have different applciations, 102 has more the character of a 87 and also works perfect on instruments. 49 is a smore specific sound that you can use when you need more mids and bass. For hip hop voices my suggestion is to use them with an isa if you want warmish/neutral tone with definition, or wa tb 12/ 73 if u want to saturate beacuse the output transformers can round tha transients and hairiness the tlms has.
Thank you for the feedback and suggestions! I tried the 102 with the newton channel strip and it work really well with the silk setting. I took the 49 back, and want to try the TLM 103, U87 or TLM 67. Which is best in your opinion for hip-hop vocals?
@@PhearNoneGearGadgets U87 even if is the AI version is great for that transformer sound , but is really pricier and sometimes it has to much nasal mids. So if you want a microphone that can need less eq my suggestions are tlm 67 that is similar but more opened, or tlm 103 that is really in the face sounding with also a similar low end to the 49, but on some voices or rooms makes disasters on the esses. My sleeper is the tlm 193 that has a great sibilance controll like the 49 but is flatter and has a uniform response on pe Polar pattern (has the capsule of the u 89) works on everything in the right hands!
49 all day!
The 49 adds just a hint of body......I don't think its worth the difference in price. The 102 is dope, save your $$$ up and grab that 1073. #dj, #music, #party, #techno, #housemusic, #house, #djlife, #hiphop, #producer, #djs, #follow, #deephous, #techhouse, #dance, #rave, #club, #musicproducer, #rap, #electronicmusic, #trap, #like, #love, #beats, #serato, #technomusic, #rapper, #artist, #edm, #soundcloud , #nuemann, #condensermics, #studio, #apogee
1073 the same price. I think the bigger body on TLM 49 reacts to effects well.
You know, I recently bought TLM 102, and in the end is exactly that "bigger body" that I miss... If I could come back would change my buy...@@PhearNoneGearGadgets
Whats with the #'s?
for my ears it the 49 is a big improvement, the dynamic is much better, the 102 sound flat and boring
Thanks for the feedback! I might have to buy the 49 if I can’t my hands on a U47
The 49 sounds the best, much clearer.
The 102 sounds better on the viola. It's less strident but not as good on the vocal.
Thanks for the feedback!
That's a lot of bird food.
tlm49 is not great upgrade like a tlm67 or 170 would be. but first get some real converters.
You don’t think the Apogee AD converters are real?
@@PhearNoneGearGadgets They are cheap... look at the neumann mt48. huge gap.
I was looking at the MT48 but the Apogee Symphony sounds really good imo, and it’s expensive.
Hi and thanks for your video.
I have both TLM49 & U87ai..
Don’t count on plugins… they’ve nothing to compare with analog gear.
My suggestion to you.
1. Shelford Channel (game changer)
2. Avalon 737 (great to rap vocals & works on almost every mic)
I wish you more success. 🙌
Thanks for sharing!