the issue is not even Rhino is that new players don't even have access to other easy to use frames that could help in the beginning, Oberon will be pretty good for those players and for whatever reason is in Railjack missions.
Interesting hot take, Just wanted to toss in my 2c, I think no one will suggest to farm Nezha to a completely new player because he's gated behind Tenno lab in the Dojo, Effectively gating him into the mid/late game because not every clan is willing to take complete newbies. (At one point it was gated behind Sorties) Rhino is available to be farmed from the get-go. His design had "newer players learn the game comfortably" in mind. And he fulfills the role really well, maybe too well it seems? He has everything, but is also not overloaded. He has a simple kit that's very versatile; a perfect tool to learn the ropes and mechanics of the game. All his abilities are also easily outshined by other frames. E.g. Nezha, Dante, Hydroid, Styanax
May I say, there are clans that would take a complete newbie, i have seen some that are just fully built clans offering newbies a place just because a clan is basically essential in the game right now. I have joined a clan when I was a newbie, never was I once asked to participate more, be more active or anything, they just offered me averything.
clans are unlocked very low mr and alot of clans are don't care about your mr as long as you're not off line for two years. so him being only a mid late game is a fried take. he is beginning\mid game frame
How the hell is Roar generic? It's a universal damage buff that boost weapons and abilities. Its also a source of multiplicative damage. Something that makes ot relevant through the entirety of the game. Not hating just curious.
Hes not being called bad hes just boring as shit, its generic because all you do is hit a button and you get faction damage with nothing else attached to it.
I think it's generic not bad, its flavourful for what rhino is going for but like I said I can't think of any other power that has less interaction with the exception of post-rework eclipse
@@Schmedley-the-Sign-Nezha Amp, Nourish, Eclipse, Xata's whisper, Elemental Ward. They're all like that. You brought up Nezha damage vulnerability while yes it's cool it's really no different that using a damage buff (both make you do more damage, albeit different way of doing so. I mean if being active as a play style is what Rhino is Going For, Don't Max his iron skin to high numbers, use augment for his 3 to cause puncture procs (enemies get knocked down and are weakened, Use His 4 augment to rebuild Iron skin. It's all about how you play him.
Rhino is actually what kept me in the game back when I started to struggle with going through the star chart lol He is my cozy frame, even when I do enjoy playing other frames and testing new things he's still my most played frame. Also, objectively speaking, he's a weapons platform and support frame more than anything. His kit is as straight forward as it can be, plus most Warframes are a grind to get anyways
I think rhino is a perfect beginner warframe. The starter warframes are all damage dealers. I think the best direction for early warframe is to introduce new players to dps, tank and support warframes. The best introduction to new overwhelmed players are also the easiest to understand warframes IE rhino and excalibur. The big thing for me is that rhino IS op in early missions and i think that is great. It helps early players to not get stuck on junctions or harder missions.
Extremely hardcore Rhino main here. Asking new players to play rhino first instead of other frames is like what you said, very harmful. I always tell a lot of people to not get Rhino first, because Enemy damage is so low on general chart, just a few thousand can last for literally the whole mission. If you are a new player, please don't play Rhino. Give yourself some understanding on the game first, then come back to Rhino. Even if you think you are good at the game already, don't play Rhino yet, play it only when you are ready. 5:30 can agree, that's why Rhino players are some of the worst people I have met because they only know how to use said abilities at its surface level and without game knowledge to back it up, they just press button, and thought oh yea so easy. His kit is extremely lame from the outside because you had to be autistic enough to go through it, find all the insane mechanics, and go on, will explain this in the comments later. There's points I agree in this video, but that didn't explains why Rhino is played in this way that makes him lame and boring. The rework won't help anything either. 9:34 And if I said there's a thing called "Rhino charge cancel" (which is cancel your bullet jump into Charge for momentum carry)? People will question me, and the legitimacy of it. People barely even explore this ability lmao. Rhino with this, is some of the fastest frame in game, but only needing 37.5% to 75% casting speed, a 145 range. If you can master the use of said tech and know how to aim, you are among the top speedrunners, easily. 9:43 The problem with Rhino is that his augments are either very situational, or so powerful that it is justified for an augment or just "why you need this" (looking at you Ironclad charge), Rhino is extremely powerful when you understood him, and this augment you suggested, just removed one of the most major skill that Rhino needs - Charging Iron Skin wisely. Just use this augment and easy level cap because Iron Skin scales with enemy damage. You didn't fix the problem; you expedited the problem. You just turn Rhino into undeniably the craziest, the easiest frame if you want to survive, let's make revenant utterly lose his job in "easy to use" while doing everything that he does, infinitely better, because lmao lemme regen those lost skin with reinforcing, and charge far better with that augment, you simply gave too much value to Rhino and it doesn't seem like its a fix. And share overguard? BRO. Are you insane. You wanna make Dante and every overguard support lose their job because Rhino has the infinitely better overguard ability, for everyone? Who needs mesmer shield or overguard support? Just Play Rhino... 9:58 Schmedley, Rhino Stomp is already an easy cheat code at interception. Rhino Stomp, with max 280 range, is a staggering 70m lockdown. If you know how to chain Stomp, nobody moves, before eximus fix, not even eximus stronghold can stand a slight bit of chance, but now it should (which benefits Rhino in some way because you can charge skin far better with blitz tech now). Just use Rhino at interception, the easiest cash-in in your life. Rhino Stomp is just cheat code for everything. Your skin, enemy, whatever mission. Rhino stomp has only one clear downside and it is literally eximus. (eido pt archon drone'd arbi units and the fragmented one, all cannot be affacted by cc/abilities) 10:21 base Iron skin falls off after you are into steel path, this is where you should learn how to charge your skin with enemy damage, but because there is no one to teach such playstyle, people just opted for the lamest way possible that is Iron Skin setup which I hated it with every single cell of my body. Learning how to make use of Iron Skin's enemy damage scaling is just the infinitely better solution because it allows everything else to be done, but people won't learn anyway... 10:27 The problem I see a lot of Rhino players that has is what you said, they seek comfort, but that is exactly what trap that Rhino places. You are comfortable with what you had. You wouldn't explore further and settle for less. This is what makes Rhino lame and boring. You are lured by what you had and thought it was all the gold. It has been like this for 11 years, until recently, videos like Novaumbral's "Rhino is the most overpowered warframe" or Mythicql's "Doom Rhino build" start to shed some light, but still yet to cover all the rhino things. Rhino is designed to be a canvas for those who knew what's behind the curtain, Roar itself bears the single highest synergy that one ability could had, and there are so many ways that you can shape Rhino's playstyle, but people won't try anyways, Rhino can suddenly become a caster frame if you subsume an ability that demands it, Rhino allows a level of experimentation that no other Warframe can ever had. He is suddenly a cc focused frame if you want to, stomp has a lot of interaction that many of you probably don't even knew existed, Iron skin as well, and so does Rhino charge, and if you play Rhino correctly, Rhino is a frame that doesn't give you all the comfort, you had to earn it because Iron Skin don't last forever, and you need to charge your skin wisely from enemy damage, and know where to stand so that they can hit you better, you need to cast Stomp to maintain it, and in return, you gain yourself a frame that is just insane at everything if you know how to shape him to fit said mission. Rhino settles for maximum practicality, instead of mere comfortability. Rhino is a mold for you to play around, not something like what 95% of the Rhino player settles on, which is maximum comfortability. Rhino is the embodiment of practicality and versatility if you can peak behind and go through all the tedious process of learning how to use and shape him to fit the mission you are in, not some goofy ahhs that all these Rhino players played.
Was just looking to see if someone was gonna suggest reading your community post on Piercing Roar. Now i see the man himself is here, i dont need to look anymore. Hope your day goes well.
Also it is a shame that almost nobody sees the nuking potential of Iron shrapnel. It's kinda funny, tried for the lols, but can deliver some serious damage
@@Joe_mama...that's quite viable as well, since you just return any forms of enemy damage back to them, and such damage is amped by roar and viral as well, one operator arcane can buff that damage as well.
Frames that have set and forget or toggle abilities are my favorite i hate having to keep using abilities to keep up buffs , im trying to shoot stuff not do a rotation. (Forever a Wisp main)
For me it's his lack of mobility, if his 1 was something like necramech forward charge, 1 direction rapidly that generates mini shockwaves and change his 4 to like a Hulk thunderclap that armor strips and knockdown.
i think that because i didnt knew i could buy most of the blueprints directly until mr 6 or 7, rhino didnt made part of my very early game, and personally, the only downsides of his gameplay is that you need the enimies to shoot at you, and if you enter a nullifier's force field, your overguard is gone
TL:DR the main problem with WF is the meta community. I started this game solo and I didn't ask any questions. I didn't know bosses had a specific drop table so I didn't kill them more then 1 time. My 2nd frame was Oberon and it was glorious. By the time I got Rhino I had 26 full Oberons just chilling in bags because I didn't know you could sell things. It's kinda crazy that Gauss got the charge that Rhino should have gotten years ago. Roar is boring and thats ok, personally I think Iron skin should have been his Helmith move instead (and scale on armor and range instead of strength). CC in warframe is fine but the enemies who have Overguard are not. Everything that died in 1 hit now should have overguard, everything that doesn't die in 1 hit should not have or receive overguard. Bosses should be killed by status effects and abilities and be immune Crits. This game is made backwards and makes no sense. What's the point of damage over time (or debuffing) if nothing lives long enough to receive the time? What's the point of locking down little weak shit when big strong shit just rams through and kills the pod?
Whenever i see people asking wat frames to get and see people saying meta frame i always ask whats ur preferred play style then i say wat frames fit that play style i like people to know what else there is and help them find what they enjoy even tho sometimes its not convenient its fun and thats wat matters
As a person that dosen't care about rhino you can't change it's second but you can nerf it's third by any any enmy in line of sight get agro on him so that would make its ability on the helminth not for any warframe and would make it a more like a tank on team play with the enemy inside the roar circle get a minor dmg buff as a nerf to the kit but with more range
I kinda like this. Would like for roar to be turned into a channel where the more enemies hit his iron skin the damage/power he can accumulate. In addition, he can benefit from arcanes trigger upon getting hit.
Black Lotus is a terrible choice of an old mechanic that is supposedly “weird”. It is extremely powerful in an equally powerful deck and format(much less so anywhere else) but it’s not “weird”. A great many cards function identically, many even create tokens which function that same way. A better example of “weird” old mechanics would have been Chaos Orb which encourages the player to flip and spin the card from a specific height destroying cards it land on or Sheharazad which starts an entire new subgame within the existing game. You’d have to have knowledge and experience with the game to know of their existence though so I suppose that might’ve been too much to ask.🤷♂️
Thanks for the feedback friend, the intent was that all 3 were weird, generic, and powerful, but I dont have much experience with super old mtg, I'll keep it in mind!
Ok, ngl, when I first saw this video, I got really confused. Pulled a whole “you WHAT?!” In my head. But as I watch on, I’m inclined to agree with you more and more
I think Rhino needs that "flair" that newer warframes/reworked warframes have. His kit is supposed to be simple and I honestly think that is a nice change of pace with all the new UI's or complicated synergies that just doesn't make sense that other warframes have. But generic/boring doesn't have to be exactly related to simple. I've always been a huge sucker for movement stuff, so perhaps changing his Charge to something kind of like Gauss' Mach Rush would be really fun. Perhaps make it drag enemies along like with Hydroid's Tidal Surge. (Obviously slower). Having his Charge like that would make him lean more towards Crowd Control like his description. I also do really agree that his 2nd and 3rd ability really needs some more fun to it rather than just "press button". Perhaps his Iron Skin can mix with his Charge to strip enemy defenses. Literally sort of like "cracking their armor by banging rocks together" or something lmfao. As for his Roar, I think the whole point of it is for it to be a simple damage up, and importantly supports other teammates who are nearby. Perhaps make it so that per enemy nearby, it increases his Roar damage. Making it so its like a "im not stuck in here with you, your all stuck in here with me" scenario lmao. And please his stomp needs some love i dont care if its not viable i need to isaac clarke a nearby infested (sorry for the text block, i just really like coming up with ideas for ability reworks. i love seeing discussions about this sorta stuff)
Honest Warframe's at a point right now where the best possible thing to do to adress so many of it's many issues is brandish the old Nerf hammer; that or if DE wants to keep up the buff only approach (and I totally understand why they'd want to) they need to buff the enemies alot as well. The entire game has been power crept so hard at this point that the main complaint I hear from players all levels is that it's too easy and the only thing DE has been able to do to give us any real challenge is stack 13 000 000 000 restrictions and debuffs on us like in Netracells and DA.
As a new/returning player (I never really got past mid game), I like Rhino mainly cos of the vibe. The feeling of being a chonky juggernaut hits hard with Rhino.
When i was getting into warframe, my friend said i should pick up rhino, was enjoying mag, wasnt having too much issue living with her, redirection is great, pull into melee is great. Rhino was f*cking boring and felt like he effected nothing. I rarely used guns, and even then it was bows. Then i picked up valkyr, she was phenomenal, and very similar to what rhino was trying to do early game. Also ripline was fun occasionally, unlike gore
i hate recommending rhino to new players. they will farm him (maybe get unlucky and hate the game) and if they do get him, they'll be sleepy playing the entire starchart with iron skin active. its just plain boring.
lmao rhino actually was fun for me, dante is the one that puts my fatass to sleep. iron skin x10 for the whole squad and a fucking strong ass room wipe, plus guaranteed slash inflict with his 3 and minions to summon that make pretty much any thing you and your squad does better.
When I was new my first frame after mag was valkyr and I think her version of invulnerability was a lot more engaging, at least after they nerfed it to not be super easily infinite
I've only played the games for around 4 months, Here's my experience: I basicly craft rhino first and his prime variant, then i got curious in other frame, then i craft that new frame and think, "wow this is better than rhino" (it's wisp btw) then i realized my warframe could die, so i go back playing rhino, this happens everytime i built a new warframe, and yes this also happened when i built revenant, i find that keep pressing 2 every 5 seconds is worse than pressing 2 once in a mission
understandable, im a player that has always mained pretty non meta frames, like nyx and valkyr, and i play rhino a lot too, now this isnt to boast, i just love their themes and looks, my meta frames are stil modded out when needed. Rhino for like, the past 2 years since i started playing him more, has turned into my "turn off my brain and just grind" frame, he can do everything i need him to with not much trouble, and i love his look, thats simply the big reason i play him probably the most today.
May be i don't agree with everything you sad. But yeah, Rhino is not a best choice for new players. I usually advice to get Nekros, just because of how farm is painful in early game.
I think it is funny because i just liked the game and started farming rhino getting it in like 4 tries then play the game, get rhino, and now i just continue with the story rhino making it easier, then farming relics to get a prime that i want and then stop using rhino to start using E.U because i didn't get the normal one i started with mag and i didn't like the warframe, i think it mostly depend on the player, rhino is just Fun to play
Post watching the video got proved wrong on like half of this you make good points but Rhino isn't as strong as you think, yes In early game he is busted, but so is Mag. And roar does have synergies with other abilities, and it also stacks on itself which is nice for team damage buff, and unlike other damage buffs in the game roar is less than 1 to 1 with power strength, roar alone is powerful, but not game breaking until it's used in conjunction with other abilities. Getting roar past 300% requires every power strength mod and buff you can but on a warframe, outside of mission buffs and ally buffs. I do like the idea of Rhino giving overguard as it makes it somewhat more useful and has him actually compete with other frames that also give it. The problem realistically isn't with Rhino as it with Warframe fundamentally, as Warframe's difficulty scaling is all kinds of fucked, stealth and CC, support, and even being a tank just don't work. Stealth hardly matters on the 1 mission type its used for, CC doesn't work on a lot of enemies and just makes the game slower, and is not as effective as nuking every enemy in sight, their is so many ways to heal and get energy, and armor strip that supports are just unneeded ,and any frame can be a tank, hell just one Dante and the whole squads a tank. Warframe difficulty just goes from too easy, to hard, to too easy, to hard, to easy again, then too really hard with steal path, then back to supper easy for more time, then hard again, on a select few missions and level cap, then back to supper easy outside level cap. And now with the changes to damage every is just cake, I like the new status effects, but fuck the new damage resistance system, bring back the different types of health armor and shields. Make warframe harder but more fair, rework, damage, and CC, change level design, add more counter enemies, and change enemy AI behavior, and level scaling.
I don't think rhino's too strong, I think he's too boring, I think the same is true of any frame with easy to use nukes but those arent easily accessible for new players lacking mods and game experience
Honestly Rhino have the best skill set for early players as it allows them to get passed harder content and for late game he cannot use Adaptation well so he is fine yeah I see your point but I'd rather see a fun frame added into mercury as Vor is a good early boss and they already have beef with him. Iron skin needs nearly nothing to work but almost everything can give it more absorb while other frames that are more powerful needs more advanced mods. Want more interesting frames early? we need access to more advanced mods early example Maybe Oberon and rage early available? Worst frame is by far trinity Not for that her abilities dosent work but we dont need her and she has no place among the ranks anymore. If you want a rework turn roar into the passive while an ability is active allies gain extra damage per abilities active. Turn charge into an actual charge where he just runs forward let us go through locked doors like barging through em.
so your 'solution' for making an ability less boring is to make it into a channeling ability where you sacrifice your ability to play the game in order to give your teammates a buff...yeah that's a lot less boring! Not like I wanted to move around or play the game anyway. Everybody loves Harrow's thurible, right? I would keep Roar's buffing effect but make it a bit more conditional, similar to Hydroid's new corrosive-based buff. It gives some damage boost initially but from then on while Roar is active, every impact proc, blast proc and knockdown you perform on enemies adds an additional % of boosted damage to your Roar bonus for the remaining duration. This way even if you are using the most generic crit guns in the game, you are still incentivized to go and do a melee heavy slam into a group of enemies to get the most out of your boost, and players using rocket launcher type weapons or heavy slam weapons would get the most out of the skill, fitting with Rhino's theme. This also means that Rhino could get more out of Roar than any other Frame because his Stomp stasis would count as a unique knockdown state, allowing him to squeeze just a bit more of a bonus out of Roar.
The idea was for it to not be an ability that was used 100% of the time with no consideration, most mission types have parts where its beneficial to stay in one place for a while, and to the point of him being a starter friendly frame I thought itd be cool to make it beneficial to not jump around everywhere, also its more on brand for his theming, its also just one possibility for a replacement
My guy, it all depends on the player, you could say revenant is even worse then. I had great use for both rhino and revenant untill i figured out the ropes and moved on. There is a much larger problem at hand and its not called rhino.
I disagree with the small picture problems aka rhino designe. Because you are forced to play alone so much as a beguinner , rhino gives all the noob friendly tools you need to not get stuck.He's the training wheels . I was still a noob when i decided i wanted more then rhino so i went for it , he's not the reson to quit the game. And because i only had 2 frame slots i sold him .Farming him is a problem, in a game about farming? Shocking! Rhino is a simple frame for thoes whit simple needs , that still works later in game.
He is a bit boring, but he is amazing and can do any mission, iron skin is a bit weak in higher level missions it breaks almost instantly, just like styanax og...imo it needs to be a bit beefier or your just better tanking through health amd armor if you constantly have to refresh and burn through your energy
I personally wouldn't call him a bad frame. He's really good. He's just really boring because his abilities are really simple. And you're using iron skin 80% of the time. Your passive is garbage, you will rarely use charge, roar is kinda useful if your in a group (also good if you have mods for it), and stomp is mostly used for the slow which is fine I guess. And this is coming from a rhino main. I only like him because he looks cool and gives off "big space marine" vibes. Aside from atlas and hildryn who I also occasionally play.
7:02 Theres no way someone is trying to "defend" the extremely buggy lighting mechanic with Mirage's Eclipse. Not a single time has it ever been consistent There are so many tilesets that just outright you would think work properly but you'd still be considered in a shadow and have a 90% DR that you didn't need Don't backpedal and say you didn't like it but don't bother calling something that stupid "interesting". This entire video just gives me a headache from how asinine it is. Rhino is a simple frame. That's the point that's why he's accessible early game because he's supposed to be new player friendly. At the start of the video you mention that most of Rhino players are new players are we supposed to drop the head first into the deep end of the pool by giving them a frame like Xaku or Octavia who are both strong. You can dislike good frames you can love bad frames but don't claim a problem is there when truly there isn't one.
I liked eclipse but I agree that it was too buggy, an idea can be interesting even if the execution is poor And I don't think simple frames have to turn off one mechanic and offer zero interaction with the others, all of the starters are new player friendly, especially excalibur, and he doesnt do either
rhino fanboy opinion incoming yep, i saw and clicked to see if the take was bad, but yep pretty much why i don't really recommend him to new players as much as people generally do. Being kinda boring early on on top of really not having all that much access to his kit early on compared to late game when you have tools like helminth, shards, the mechanically interesting but statistically lacking weapons/abilities that rhino tends to be able to "unlock" more than other frames, augments and late game mods and all the other bells and whistles. And even then, yes he shows his age, and yes basically everything he can do for "off meta" strategies he can just do outright better for the meta ones. I'm more likely to suggest like mag, zephyr or nezha to a newer player
If the only main reasons that rhino "is the worst" is that he can tank damage and has the best damage buff...you realize that revenant can tank more damage/recast that power anytime too without an augment and can 1 tap any enemy in the game while you reave into enthralled enemies?? I see more low mr players using rev prime than rhino nowadays, rev is a problem not rhino.
Rev is not as easily accessible early game as rhino is you play missions and get him naturally easiest way to get rev is prime and not all new players are willing to spend that money
Rev is not as easily accessible early game as rhino is you play missions and get him naturally easiest way to get rev is prime and not all new players are willing to spend that money
@@ShadowKing-vs9cx obviously I'm talking about rev prime, he's one the easiest to get by anyone. You can spend 60 Plat and less (i see some selling him for 30p) or open some relics that are quite easy to get. I even see high mr players just giving away rev sets, he's not expensive like saryn prime.
@@Schmedley-the-Sign-Nezha on a side note whats really lame for new players is the whole map exploding cause the wrong person joins you. Oh and oberon is probably more braindead than rhino cause you just toggle renewal and you're probably not dying in regular star chart.
Currently 20 seconds in and I can already tell he doesn't get it Rhinos the worst, and Banshee is the weakest, my lord that is one hot take. Rhino has fall off because of the mere existence of a Dante or any other frame that provides allies overguard makes your iron skin basically useless, and CC from stomp is basically dead because CC is dead. But roar is insane, high power strength Rhino claps. Roar applies its damage buff to any damage done to the target, being applied after the damage resistances of an enemy rather than before, while also being applied to both the damage that initializes DOT damage, and the DOT damage tick itself. Just put breach serge on on high strength Rhino for his first or fourth, and watch the funny numbers, or do thermal sunder with archon vitality and watch insane DOT damage, or do nourish for a good weapons platform and great energy restorations. And as for Banshee her sonar pules augment can overlaps multiple sonars onto an enemy, and like roar, breach serge, and headshot multipliers sonars damage multiplier is after damage resistances, so Banshee can nuke.
Post watching the video got proved wrong on like half of this you make good points but Rhino isn't as strong as you think, yes In early game he is busted, but so is Mag. And roar does have synergies with other abilities, and it also stacks on itself which is nice for team damage buff, and unlike other damage buffs in the game roar is less than 1 to 1 with power strength, roar alone is powerful, but not game breaking until it's used in conjunction with other abilities. Getting roar past 300% requires every power strength mod and buff you can but on a warframe, outside of mission buffs and ally buffs. I do like the idea of Rhino giving overguard as it makes it somewhat more useful and has him actually compete with other frames that also give it. The problem realistically isn't with Rhino as it with Warframe fundamentally, as Warframe's difficulty scaling is all kinds of fucked, stealth and CC, support, and even being a tank just don't work. Stealth hardly matters on the 1 mission type its used for, CC doesn't work on a lot of enemies and just makes the game slower, and is not as effective as nuking every enemy in sight, their is so many ways to heal and get energy, and armor strip that supports are just unneeded ,and any frame can be a tank, hell just one Dante and the whole squads a tank. Warframe difficulty just goes from too easy, to hard, to too easy, to hard, to easy again, then too really hard with steal path, then back to supper easy for more time, then hard again, on a select few missions and level cap, then back to supper easy outside level cap. And now with the changes to damage every is just cake, I like the new status effects, but fuck the new damage resistance system, bring back the different types of health armor and shields. Make warframe harder but more fair, rework, damage, and CC, change level design, add more counter enemies, and change enemy AI behavior, and level scaling.
Rhino's problem is partly the same with Revenant and old Wukong. All of them have the invincibility problem which sucks out all the fun and makes the game into a worse grinding game overall. I agree wih him being boring but, he is the essential crutch that new players have. I do think his 1 need to have some tweaks gameplay wise. But trying to change his other abilities this late feels unnecessary, because it's such a basic bitch kit that you can't really change it. Changing them would make him not Rhino anymore, just like what Pablo said with Loki. Plus i think Rhino's kit incentivizes players to mess around with weapons more. And anything that helps players to understand modding just a tiny bit more is a win in my book. Also fuck your rage bait title, it worked and i hate you for making me rage click rather than be curious if you would've titled the video "Rhino is boring af" or smthing like that.
I think people really should stop recommending Rhino as the newbie go-to warframe. I recently started a new account. I find the best newbie warframe is Protea. She's easy to farm. Her with stealth Kubrow (which are also extremely easy to farm) are pretty much invincible, because she has permanent invisibility as long as she doesn't use her weapon. Her Blaze Artillery and Dispensary can do everything all the way to steal path.
I think nezha is a bad comparison since the only fun thing with nezha is the divine redemtion augment + slash helminth. Otherwise hes just a lamer rhino
why cant 1 warframe make the game easier for someone who is newer to the game to understand not every frame needs to be super complex hes simple but effective i dont understand the issue
It's subjective, it's to do with fun, rhino is very boring to play, his interaction with the game is minimal. He's not saying he's a bad frame, it's that newbies at the start of the game are recommend his basic playstyle, which can help some people get into the game, but also hinder enjoyment and may become a quitting point for some players.
So u saying rhino is too strong for new players and is not fair for people like you that struggle through out the game for making bad choices 🤔 it sounds like a personal problem 🤡
Unlike, un follow, lmao, the worst frame in the game yeah sure, i can slam your dmg to the ground just let me know if u want to go in a mission w my rhino 🤣
"Rhino is the worst Warframe"
Rhino: Bold words from somebody who is within charging distance.
the issue is not even Rhino is that new players don't even have access to other easy to use frames that could help in the beginning, Oberon will be pretty good for those players and for whatever reason is in Railjack missions.
yeah that was a pretty rough decision imo
Frost, ash, nekros, Mesa, atlas, and revenant are available from the circuit, tho idk how many of those are craftable before ceres
Interesting hot take,
Just wanted to toss in my 2c,
I think no one will suggest to farm Nezha to a completely new player because he's gated behind Tenno lab in the Dojo, Effectively gating him into the mid/late game because not every clan is willing to take complete newbies. (At one point it was gated behind Sorties)
Rhino is available to be farmed from the get-go. His design had "newer players learn the game comfortably" in mind. And he fulfills the role really well, maybe too well it seems?
He has everything, but is also not overloaded. He has a simple kit that's very versatile; a perfect tool to learn the ropes and mechanics of the game.
All his abilities are also easily outshined by other frames. E.g. Nezha, Dante, Hydroid, Styanax
May I say, there are clans that would take a complete newbie, i have seen some that are just fully built clans offering newbies a place just because a clan is basically essential in the game right now. I have joined a clan when I was a newbie, never was I once asked to participate more, be more active or anything, they just offered me averything.
clans are unlocked very low mr and alot of clans are don't care about your mr as long as you're not off line for two years. so him being only a mid late game is a fried take. he is beginning\mid game frame
How the hell is Roar generic? It's a universal damage buff that boost weapons and abilities. Its also a source of multiplicative damage. Something that makes ot relevant through the entirety of the game. Not hating just curious.
and also you dont have to play rhino to use it
Hes not being called bad hes just boring as shit, its generic because all you do is hit a button and you get faction damage with nothing else attached to it.
"Press for damage boost" is generic
I think it's generic not bad, its flavourful for what rhino is going for but like I said I can't think of any other power that has less interaction with the exception of post-rework eclipse
@@Schmedley-the-Sign-Nezha Amp, Nourish, Eclipse, Xata's whisper, Elemental Ward. They're all like that. You brought up Nezha damage vulnerability while yes it's cool it's really no different that using a damage buff (both make you do more damage, albeit different way of doing so. I mean if being active as a play style is what Rhino is Going For, Don't Max his iron skin to high numbers, use augment for his 3 to cause puncture procs (enemies get knocked down and are weakened, Use His 4 augment to rebuild Iron skin. It's all about how you play him.
Rhino is actually what kept me in the game back when I started to struggle with going through the star chart lol
He is my cozy frame, even when I do enjoy playing other frames and testing new things he's still my most played frame.
Also, objectively speaking, he's a weapons platform and support frame more than anything. His kit is as straight forward as it can be, plus most Warframes are a grind to get anyways
I think rhino is a perfect beginner warframe. The starter warframes are all damage dealers. I think the best direction for early warframe is to introduce new players to dps, tank and support warframes. The best introduction to new overwhelmed players are also the easiest to understand warframes IE rhino and excalibur.
The big thing for me is that rhino IS op in early missions and i think that is great. It helps early players to not get stuck on junctions or harder missions.
Extremely hardcore Rhino main here.
Asking new players to play rhino first instead of other frames is like what you said, very harmful. I always tell a lot of people to not get Rhino first, because Enemy damage is so low on general chart, just a few thousand can last for literally the whole mission. If you are a new player, please don't play Rhino. Give yourself some understanding on the game first, then come back to Rhino. Even if you think you are good at the game already, don't play Rhino yet, play it only when you are ready.
5:30 can agree, that's why Rhino players are some of the worst people I have met because they only know how to use said abilities at its surface level and without game knowledge to back it up, they just press button, and thought oh yea so easy. His kit is extremely lame from the outside because you had to be autistic enough to go through it, find all the insane mechanics, and go on, will explain this in the comments later.
There's points I agree in this video, but that didn't explains why Rhino is played in this way that makes him lame and boring. The rework won't help anything either.
9:34 And if I said there's a thing called "Rhino charge cancel" (which is cancel your bullet jump into Charge for momentum carry)? People will question me, and the legitimacy of it. People barely even explore this ability lmao. Rhino with this, is some of the fastest frame in game, but only needing 37.5% to 75% casting speed, a 145 range. If you can master the use of said tech and know how to aim, you are among the top speedrunners, easily.
9:43 The problem with Rhino is that his augments are either very situational, or so powerful that it is justified for an augment or just "why you need this" (looking at you Ironclad charge), Rhino is extremely powerful when you understood him, and this augment you suggested, just removed one of the most major skill that Rhino needs - Charging Iron Skin wisely. Just use this augment and easy level cap because Iron Skin scales with enemy damage. You didn't fix the problem; you expedited the problem. You just turn Rhino into undeniably the craziest, the easiest frame if you want to survive, let's make revenant utterly lose his job in "easy to use" while doing everything that he does, infinitely better, because lmao lemme regen those lost skin with reinforcing, and charge far better with that augment, you simply gave too much value to Rhino and it doesn't seem like its a fix. And share overguard? BRO. Are you insane. You wanna make Dante and every overguard support lose their job because Rhino has the infinitely better overguard ability, for everyone? Who needs mesmer shield or overguard support? Just Play Rhino...
9:58 Schmedley, Rhino Stomp is already an easy cheat code at interception. Rhino Stomp, with max 280 range, is a staggering 70m lockdown. If you know how to chain Stomp, nobody moves, before eximus fix, not even eximus stronghold can stand a slight bit of chance, but now it should (which benefits Rhino in some way because you can charge skin far better with blitz tech now). Just use Rhino at interception, the easiest cash-in in your life. Rhino Stomp is just cheat code for everything. Your skin, enemy, whatever mission. Rhino stomp has only one clear downside and it is literally eximus. (eido pt archon drone'd arbi units and the fragmented one, all cannot be affacted by cc/abilities)
10:21 base Iron skin falls off after you are into steel path, this is where you should learn how to charge your skin with enemy damage, but because there is no one to teach such playstyle, people just opted for the lamest way possible that is Iron Skin setup which I hated it with every single cell of my body. Learning how to make use of Iron Skin's enemy damage scaling is just the infinitely better solution because it allows everything else to be done, but people won't learn anyway...
10:27 The problem I see a lot of Rhino players that has is what you said, they seek comfort, but that is exactly what trap that Rhino places. You are comfortable with what you had. You wouldn't explore further and settle for less. This is what makes Rhino lame and boring. You are lured by what you had and thought it was all the gold. It has been like this for 11 years, until recently, videos like Novaumbral's "Rhino is the most overpowered warframe" or Mythicql's "Doom Rhino build" start to shed some light, but still yet to cover all the rhino things.
Rhino is designed to be a canvas for those who knew what's behind the curtain, Roar itself bears the single highest synergy that one ability could had, and there are so many ways that you can shape Rhino's playstyle, but people won't try anyways, Rhino can suddenly become a caster frame if you subsume an ability that demands it, Rhino allows a level of experimentation that no other Warframe can ever had.
He is suddenly a cc focused frame if you want to, stomp has a lot of interaction that many of you probably don't even knew existed, Iron skin as well, and so does Rhino charge, and if you play Rhino correctly, Rhino is a frame that doesn't give you all the comfort, you had to earn it because Iron Skin don't last forever, and you need to charge your skin wisely from enemy damage, and know where to stand so that they can hit you better, you need to cast Stomp to maintain it, and in return, you gain yourself a frame that is just insane at everything if you know how to shape him to fit said mission. Rhino settles for maximum practicality, instead of mere comfortability. Rhino is a mold for you to play around, not something like what 95% of the Rhino player settles on, which is maximum comfortability.
Rhino is the embodiment of practicality and versatility if you can peak behind and go through all the tedious process of learning how to use and shape him to fit the mission you are in, not some goofy ahhs that all these Rhino players played.
Was just looking to see if someone was gonna suggest reading your community post on Piercing Roar. Now i see the man himself is here, i dont need to look anymore.
Hope your day goes well.
Damn you are a hardcore rhino main, props friend
@@Cross1nsan1ty thx
Also it is a shame that almost nobody sees the nuking potential of Iron shrapnel. It's kinda funny, tried for the lols, but can deliver some serious damage
@@Joe_mama...that's quite viable as well, since you just return any forms of enemy damage back to them, and such damage is amped by roar and viral as well, one operator arcane can buff that damage as well.
Frames that have set and forget or toggle abilities are my favorite i hate having to keep using abilities to keep up buffs , im trying to shoot stuff not do a rotation. (Forever a Wisp main)
For me it's his lack of mobility, if his 1 was something like necramech forward charge, 1 direction rapidly that generates mini shockwaves and change his 4 to like a Hulk thunderclap that armor strips and knockdown.
i think that because i didnt knew i could buy most of the blueprints directly until mr 6 or 7, rhino didnt made part of my very early game, and personally, the only downsides of his gameplay is that you need the enimies to shoot at you, and if you enter a nullifier's force field, your overguard is gone
I have been trying to get basic Rhino off of my most used class from my early days for about 500+ hours now.
TL:DR the main problem with WF is the meta community.
I started this game solo and I didn't ask any questions. I didn't know bosses had a specific drop table so I didn't kill them more then 1 time. My 2nd frame was Oberon and it was glorious. By the time I got Rhino I had 26 full Oberons just chilling in bags because I didn't know you could sell things. It's kinda crazy that Gauss got the charge that Rhino should have gotten years ago. Roar is boring and thats ok, personally I think Iron skin should have been his Helmith move instead (and scale on armor and range instead of strength). CC in warframe is fine but the enemies who have Overguard are not. Everything that died in 1 hit now should have overguard, everything that doesn't die in 1 hit should not have or receive overguard. Bosses should be killed by status effects and abilities and be immune Crits. This game is made backwards and makes no sense. What's the point of damage over time (or debuffing) if nothing lives long enough to receive the time? What's the point of locking down little weak shit when big strong shit just rams through and kills the pod?
Ever heard of Nyx?
Whenever i see people asking wat frames to get and see people saying meta frame i always ask whats ur preferred play style then i say wat frames fit that play style i like people to know what else there is and help them find what they enjoy even tho sometimes its not convenient its fun and thats wat matters
As a person that dosen't care about rhino you can't change it's second but you can nerf it's third by any any enmy in line of sight get agro on him so that would make its ability on the helminth not for any warframe and would make it a more like a tank on team play with the enemy inside the roar circle get a minor dmg buff as a nerf to the kit but with more range
Mad rambling, my favorite
I would love that, and wouldn't necessarily be a nerf, if you use ironclad charge then you would be immortal
I kinda like this. Would like for roar to be turned into a channel where the more enemies hit his iron skin the damage/power he can accumulate. In addition, he can benefit from arcanes trigger upon getting hit.
Black Lotus is a terrible choice of an old mechanic that is supposedly “weird”. It is extremely powerful in an equally powerful deck and format(much less so anywhere else) but it’s not “weird”. A great many cards function identically, many even create tokens which function that same way.
A better example of “weird” old mechanics would have been Chaos Orb which encourages the player to flip and spin the card from a specific height destroying cards it land on or Sheharazad which starts an entire new subgame within the existing game.
You’d have to have knowledge and experience with the game to know of their existence though so I suppose that might’ve been too much to ask.🤷♂️
Thanks for the feedback friend, the intent was that all 3 were weird, generic, and powerful, but I dont have much experience with super old mtg, I'll keep it in mind!
Ok, ngl, when I first saw this video, I got really confused. Pulled a whole “you WHAT?!” In my head. But as I watch on, I’m inclined to agree with you more and more
I think Rhino needs that "flair" that newer warframes/reworked warframes have. His kit is supposed to be simple and I honestly think that is a nice change of pace with all the new UI's or complicated synergies that just doesn't make sense that other warframes have.
But generic/boring doesn't have to be exactly related to simple. I've always been a huge sucker for movement stuff, so perhaps changing his Charge to something kind of like Gauss' Mach Rush would be really fun. Perhaps make it drag enemies along like with Hydroid's Tidal Surge. (Obviously slower). Having his Charge like that would make him lean more towards Crowd Control like his description.
I also do really agree that his 2nd and 3rd ability really needs some more fun to it rather than just "press button". Perhaps his Iron Skin can mix with his Charge to strip enemy defenses. Literally sort of like "cracking their armor by banging rocks together" or something lmfao.
As for his Roar, I think the whole point of it is for it to be a simple damage up, and importantly supports other teammates who are nearby. Perhaps make it so that per enemy nearby, it increases his Roar damage. Making it so its like a "im not stuck in here with you, your all stuck in here with me" scenario lmao.
And please his stomp needs some love i dont care if its not viable i need to isaac clarke a nearby infested
(sorry for the text block, i just really like coming up with ideas for ability reworks. i love seeing discussions about this sorta stuff)
Honest Warframe's at a point right now where the best possible thing to do to adress so many of it's many issues is brandish the old Nerf hammer; that or if DE wants to keep up the buff only approach (and I totally understand why they'd want to) they need to buff the enemies alot as well. The entire game has been power crept so hard at this point that the main complaint I hear from players all levels is that it's too easy and the only thing DE has been able to do to give us any real challenge is stack 13 000 000 000 restrictions and debuffs on us like in Netracells and DA.
As a new/returning player (I never really got past mid game), I like Rhino mainly cos of the vibe. The feeling of being a chonky juggernaut hits hard with Rhino.
When i was getting into warframe, my friend said i should pick up rhino, was enjoying mag, wasnt having too much issue living with her, redirection is great, pull into melee is great. Rhino was f*cking boring and felt like he effected nothing. I rarely used guns, and even then it was bows. Then i picked up valkyr, she was phenomenal, and very similar to what rhino was trying to do early game.
Also ripline was fun occasionally, unlike gore
womp womp valk
I did the same thing I went mag to valkyr as my first two
His reliance on augments just to function also hinders the poor guy. Do i want max roar? Or do i want a tank?
i hate recommending rhino to new players. they will farm him (maybe get unlucky and hate the game) and if they do get him, they'll be sleepy playing the entire starchart with iron skin active. its just plain boring.
I only got him by the time I got sp
lmao rhino actually was fun for me, dante is the one that puts my fatass to sleep. iron skin x10 for the whole squad and a fucking strong ass room wipe, plus guaranteed slash inflict with his 3 and minions to summon that make pretty much any thing you and your squad does better.
@@atmosstreamsSame feeling
When I was new my first frame after mag was valkyr and I think her version of invulnerability was a lot more engaging, at least after they nerfed it to not be super easily infinite
@@atmosstreams didnt even think of that. dante would be crazy for new players haha.
I've only played the games for around 4 months, Here's my experience:
I basicly craft rhino first and his prime variant, then i got curious in other frame, then i craft that new frame and think, "wow this is better than rhino" (it's wisp btw) then i realized my warframe could die, so i go back playing rhino, this happens everytime i built a new warframe, and yes this also happened when i built revenant, i find that keep pressing 2 every 5 seconds is worse than pressing 2 once in a mission
understandable, im a player that has always mained pretty non meta frames, like nyx and valkyr, and i play rhino a lot too, now this isnt to boast, i just love their themes and looks, my meta frames are stil modded out when needed. Rhino for like, the past 2 years since i started playing him more, has turned into my "turn off my brain and just grind" frame, he can do everything i need him to with not much trouble, and i love his look, thats simply the big reason i play him probably the most today.
May be i don't agree with everything you sad.
But yeah, Rhino is not a best choice for new players. I usually advice to get Nekros, just because of how farm is painful in early game.
As a that plays alot of rhino. I can concur that I suffer from rhino syndrome.
This is basically just Octavia but even more mind numbingly easy to play
*stairs in ash main*
I think it is funny because i just liked the game and started farming rhino getting it in like 4 tries then play the game, get rhino, and now i just continue with the story rhino making it easier, then farming relics to get a prime that i want and then stop using rhino to start using E.U because i didn't get the normal one i started with mag and i didn't like the warframe, i think it mostly depend on the player, rhino is just Fun to play
You are playing HIM wrong
generic roar? WTF! Ember's fireball is the most generic and boring ability to give you an example!
Post watching the video got proved wrong on like half of this you make good points but Rhino isn't as strong as you think, yes In early game he is busted, but so is Mag. And roar does have synergies with other abilities, and it also stacks on itself which is nice for team damage buff, and unlike other damage buffs in the game roar is less than 1 to 1 with power strength, roar alone is powerful, but not game breaking until it's used in conjunction with other abilities. Getting roar past 300% requires every power strength mod and buff you can but on a warframe, outside of mission buffs and ally buffs. I do like the idea of Rhino giving overguard as it makes it somewhat more useful and has him actually compete with other frames that also give it. The problem realistically isn't with Rhino as it with Warframe fundamentally, as Warframe's difficulty scaling is all kinds of fucked, stealth and CC, support, and even being a tank just don't work. Stealth hardly matters on the 1 mission type its used for, CC doesn't work on a lot of enemies and just makes the game slower, and is not as effective as nuking every enemy in sight, their is so many ways to heal and get energy, and armor strip that supports are just unneeded ,and any frame can be a tank, hell just one Dante and the whole squads a tank. Warframe difficulty just goes from too easy, to hard, to too easy, to hard, to easy again, then too really hard with steal path, then back to supper easy for more time, then hard again, on a select few missions and level cap, then back to supper easy outside level cap. And now with the changes to damage every is just cake, I like the new status effects, but fuck the new damage resistance system, bring back the different types of health armor and shields. Make warframe harder but more fair, rework, damage, and CC, change level design, add more counter enemies, and change enemy AI behavior, and level scaling.
I don't think rhino's too strong, I think he's too boring, I think the same is true of any frame with easy to use nukes but those arent easily accessible for new players lacking mods and game experience
the guy that uses the femboy frame would be against rhino the manliest frame
you have angerd the horad
Honestly Rhino have the best skill set for early players as it allows them to get passed harder content and for late game he cannot use Adaptation well so he is fine yeah I see your point but I'd rather see a fun frame added into mercury as Vor is a good early boss and they already have beef with him.
Iron skin needs nearly nothing to work but almost everything can give it more absorb while other frames that are more powerful needs more advanced mods.
Want more interesting frames early? we need access to more advanced mods early example Maybe Oberon and rage early available?
Worst frame is by far trinity Not for that her abilities dosent work but we dont need her and she has no place among the ranks anymore.
If you want a rework turn roar into the passive while an ability is active allies gain extra damage per abilities active.
Turn charge into an actual charge where he just runs forward let us go through locked doors like barging through em.
so your 'solution' for making an ability less boring is to make it into a channeling ability where you sacrifice your ability to play the game in order to give your teammates a buff...yeah that's a lot less boring! Not like I wanted to move around or play the game anyway. Everybody loves Harrow's thurible, right?
I would keep Roar's buffing effect but make it a bit more conditional, similar to Hydroid's new corrosive-based buff. It gives some damage boost initially but from then on while Roar is active, every impact proc, blast proc and knockdown you perform on enemies adds an additional % of boosted damage to your Roar bonus for the remaining duration. This way even if you are using the most generic crit guns in the game, you are still incentivized to go and do a melee heavy slam into a group of enemies to get the most out of your boost, and players using rocket launcher type weapons or heavy slam weapons would get the most out of the skill, fitting with Rhino's theme.
This also means that Rhino could get more out of Roar than any other Frame because his Stomp stasis would count as a unique knockdown state, allowing him to squeeze just a bit more of a bonus out of Roar.
The idea was for it to not be an ability that was used 100% of the time with no consideration, most mission types have parts where its beneficial to stay in one place for a while, and to the point of him being a starter friendly frame I thought itd be cool to make it beneficial to not jump around everywhere, also its more on brand for his theming, its also just one possibility for a replacement
My guy, it all depends on the player, you could say revenant is even worse then. I had great use for both rhino and revenant untill i figured out the ropes and moved on. There is a much larger problem at hand and its not called rhino.
I agree, its what I meant by the closing statements
only thing i agree is he should not be in venus
I disagree with the small picture problems aka rhino designe. Because you are forced to play alone so much as a beguinner , rhino gives all the noob friendly tools you need to not get stuck.He's the training wheels . I was still a noob when i decided i wanted more then rhino so i went for it , he's not the reson to quit the game. And because i only had 2 frame slots i sold him .Farming him is a problem, in a game about farming? Shocking! Rhino is a simple frame for thoes whit simple needs , that still works later in game.
Bro you good? You've been online in game for over a week now
He is a bit boring, but he is amazing and can do any mission, iron skin is a bit weak in higher level missions it breaks almost instantly, just like styanax og...imo it needs to be a bit beefier or your just better tanking through health amd armor if you constantly have to refresh and burn through your energy
Yeah I've built 11 million didn't think about it but I like the spam builds his 4 augment will fully heal his iron skin
1.2k hours in game never made rhino
I personally wouldn't call him a bad frame. He's really good.
He's just really boring because his abilities are really simple. And you're using iron skin 80% of the time. Your passive is garbage, you will rarely use charge, roar is kinda useful if your in a group (also good if you have mods for it), and stomp is mostly used for the slow which is fine I guess.
And this is coming from a rhino main. I only like him because he looks cool and gives off "big space marine" vibes. Aside from atlas and hildryn who I also occasionally play.
Never let bro cook again 😭
lmao
7:02 Theres no way someone is trying to "defend" the extremely buggy lighting mechanic with Mirage's Eclipse. Not a single time has it ever been consistent There are so many tilesets that just outright you would think work properly but you'd still be considered in a shadow and have a 90% DR that you didn't need Don't backpedal and say you didn't like it but don't bother calling something that stupid "interesting". This entire video just gives me a headache from how asinine it is. Rhino is a simple frame. That's the point that's why he's accessible early game because he's supposed to be new player friendly. At the start of the video you mention that most of Rhino players are new players are we supposed to drop the head first into the deep end of the pool by giving them a frame like Xaku or Octavia who are both strong. You can dislike good frames you can love bad frames but don't claim a problem is there when truly there isn't one.
I liked eclipse but I agree that it was too buggy, an idea can be interesting even if the execution is poor
And I don't think simple frames have to turn off one mechanic and offer zero interaction with the others, all of the starters are new player friendly, especially excalibur, and he doesnt do either
bros just wanted to glaze nesha
The only time you should really use rhino is if you're new or you are looking for Orokin vaults or if you need a tanky warframe for steel path.
rhino fanboy opinion incoming
yep, i saw and clicked to see if the take was bad, but yep pretty much why i don't really recommend him to new players as much as people generally do. Being kinda boring early on on top of really not having all that much access to his kit early on compared to late game when you have tools like helminth, shards, the mechanically interesting but statistically lacking weapons/abilities that rhino tends to be able to "unlock" more than other frames, augments and late game mods and all the other bells and whistles. And even then, yes he shows his age, and yes basically everything he can do for "off meta" strategies he can just do outright better for the meta ones.
I'm more likely to suggest like mag, zephyr or nezha to a newer player
clearly you have not fasion framed a pink rhino..
If the only main reasons that rhino "is the worst" is that he can tank damage and has the best damage buff...you realize that revenant can tank more damage/recast that power anytime too without an augment and can 1 tap any enemy in the game while you reave into enthralled enemies?? I see more low mr players using rev prime than rhino nowadays, rev is a problem not rhino.
Rev is not as easily accessible early game as rhino is you play missions and get him naturally easiest way to get rev is prime and not all new players are willing to spend that money
Rev is not as easily accessible early game as rhino is you play missions and get him naturally easiest way to get rev is prime and not all new players are willing to spend that money
@@ShadowKing-vs9cx spend money oooooooooooooooooor just farm corrupted mods for like an hour?
You talking about rev prime cause normal rev is locked behind new war
@@ShadowKing-vs9cx obviously I'm talking about rev prime, he's one the easiest to get by anyone. You can spend 60 Plat and less (i see some selling him for 30p) or open some relics that are quite easy to get. I even see high mr players just giving away rev sets, he's not expensive like saryn prime.
I dont know if i would call giving everybody iron skin a nerf 😂 also that would make him dante lite
Good it wasn't intended to be, I just know how the community is
@@Schmedley-the-Sign-Nezha on a side note whats really lame for new players is the whole map exploding cause the wrong person joins you. Oh and oberon is probably more braindead than rhino cause you just toggle renewal and you're probably not dying in regular star chart.
@@Jubumby Thats a pretty good point too, I didn't think heavily about suggesting oberon it was just because hes kind of homeless at the moment
@@Schmedley-the-Sign-Nezha fair, he definitely is a warframe of all time
epic video
Currently 20 seconds in and I can already tell he doesn't get it Rhinos the worst, and Banshee is the weakest, my lord that is one hot take. Rhino has fall off because of the mere existence of a Dante or any other frame that provides allies overguard makes your iron skin basically useless, and CC from stomp is basically dead because CC is dead. But roar is insane, high power strength Rhino claps. Roar applies its damage buff to any damage done to the target, being applied after the damage resistances of an enemy rather than before, while also being applied to both the damage that initializes DOT damage, and the DOT damage tick itself. Just put breach serge on on high strength Rhino for his first or fourth, and watch the funny numbers, or do thermal sunder with archon vitality and watch insane DOT damage, or do nourish for a good weapons platform and great energy restorations. And as for Banshee her sonar pules augment can overlaps multiple sonars onto an enemy, and like roar, breach serge, and headshot multipliers sonars damage multiplier is after damage resistances, so Banshee can nuke.
Post watching the video got proved wrong on like half of this you make good points but Rhino isn't as strong as you think, yes In early game he is busted, but so is Mag. And roar does have synergies with other abilities, and it also stacks on itself which is nice for team damage buff, and unlike other damage buffs in the game roar is less than 1 to 1 with power strength, roar alone is powerful, but not game breaking until it's used in conjunction with other abilities. Getting roar past 300% requires every power strength mod and buff you can but on a warframe, outside of mission buffs and ally buffs. I do like the idea of Rhino giving overguard as it makes it somewhat more useful and has him actually compete with other frames that also give it. The problem realistically isn't with Rhino as it with Warframe fundamentally, as Warframe's difficulty scaling is all kinds of fucked, stealth and CC, support, and even being a tank just don't work. Stealth hardly matters on the 1 mission type its used for, CC doesn't work on a lot of enemies and just makes the game slower, and is not as effective as nuking every enemy in sight, their is so many ways to heal and get energy, and armor strip that supports are just unneeded ,and any frame can be a tank, hell just one Dante and the whole squads a tank. Warframe difficulty just goes from too easy, to hard, to too easy, to hard, to easy again, then too really hard with steal path, then back to supper easy for more time, then hard again, on a select few missions and level cap, then back to supper easy outside level cap. And now with the changes to damage every is just cake, I like the new status effects, but fuck the new damage resistance system, bring back the different types of health armor and shields. Make warframe harder but more fair, rework, damage, and CC, change level design, add more counter enemies, and change enemy AI behavior, and level scaling.
13806 hours on warframe, do you even touch grass???? ive been playing warframe since 2017 and only got 1000 hours.
lmao its a bit inflated from f69 cause relay time used to count
Worst? WRONG. Boring? Yes for a good portion of players
Rhino's problem is partly the same with Revenant and old Wukong. All of them have the invincibility problem which sucks out all the fun and makes the game into a worse grinding game overall.
I agree wih him being boring but, he is the essential crutch that new players have.
I do think his 1 need to have some tweaks gameplay wise. But trying to change his other abilities this late feels unnecessary, because it's such a basic bitch kit that you can't really change it. Changing them would make him not Rhino anymore, just like what Pablo said with Loki.
Plus i think Rhino's kit incentivizes players to mess around with weapons more. And anything that helps players to understand modding just a tiny bit more is a win in my book.
Also fuck your rage bait title, it worked and i hate you for making me rage click rather than be curious if you would've titled the video "Rhino is boring af" or smthing like that.
Hello Schmed!
I think people really should stop recommending Rhino as the newbie go-to warframe.
I recently started a new account. I find the best newbie warframe is Protea. She's easy to farm. Her with stealth Kubrow (which are also extremely easy to farm) are pretty much invincible, because she has permanent invisibility as long as she doesn't use her weapon. Her Blaze Artillery and Dispensary can do everything all the way to steal path.
The worst warframe yeah, i drop 90% of dmg every single mission, lmao the worst frame, yeah sure
Did you honestly record in 720p - In 2024?
What are you recording on - A cellphone?
Rhino is good for Index
oh hell nah
That is so not true man.
can you be a little more specific there friend
I think nezha is a bad comparison since the only fun thing with nezha is the divine redemtion augment + slash helminth. Otherwise hes just a lamer rhino
*rage bait*
why cant 1 warframe make the game easier for someone who is newer to the game to understand not every frame needs to be super complex hes simple but effective i dont understand the issue
It's subjective, it's to do with fun, rhino is very boring to play, his interaction with the game is minimal.
He's not saying he's a bad frame, it's that newbies at the start of the game are recommend his basic playstyle, which can help some people get into the game, but also hinder enjoyment and may become a quitting point for some players.
i think loki is worst than rhino
I agree
Sup Schmed! I've never liked rhino. In fact, I waited till MR5 to specifically get Hydroid who was my first frame after starting with Excalibur lol.
So u saying rhino is too strong for new players and is not fair for people like you that struggle through out the game for making bad choices 🤔 it sounds like a personal problem 🤡
thats not at all what I'm saying friend
Unlike, un follow, lmao, the worst frame in the game yeah sure, i can slam your dmg to the ground just let me know if u want to go in a mission w my rhino 🤣
Shit take instantly discarded
Nice ragebait clown
based opinion, good job
Loke
Worst take of the century
👎 lame
better than being a [Kinetic Syphon Trap]
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