Just a small clarification on the front USB ports that I mention at around the 13:10 mark - there are indeed internal headers, but they're not for *extra* ports - they're connected to the existing ports just in case you wanted to re-route them somewhere else (ie for mounting the MMS in a different case). The MultiSystem supports 7 USB ports in total. The small switch that I neglect to mention at around 13:23 is the voltage selector for the accessory connector - it's switchable between 3.3V and 5V.
the MiSTer is a retro gaming dream, I went all out and got a CRT as well, very happy. I was going to get an Amiga 1200 but as older hardware gets more expensive the MiSTer was a great solution as it does all the 70s 80s 90s 8 and 16bit games. The Neo Geo core is amazing, the whole thing is worth it just for Turf Masters lol. Great video, you deserve more subs for your content.
Thanks so much for the kind comment. Agreed, it really is fantastic! I got so much use out of it over Christmas. I'm a big fan of the Neo Geo core myself (Neo Drift Out FTW). 😁
Great video thanks Rees, I’ve not yet taken the plunge on a mister but certainly very intrigued. I think this is the best video I’ve seen so far and a perfect introduction!
I'm glad these exist, and I hope they sell enough to eventually justify molded cases. If you want it to look like a console, it would be ideal. I'm no fan of 3D printed anything because of the rough finish. I'll be sticking to my MiSTer Addons aluminum cases until a better aluminum case comes out. I love the looks of the aluminum cases and appreciate the much smaller footprint. I hope there will be many more case options for the MiSTer. I'm hoping someone will make a CNC anodized aluminum case for sale. I'd buy a couple for sure.
I'd like something moulded as well but for now I'm going to print the case myself (a new case has just been announced. I plan to sand my print smooth and then paint and lacquer it.
That FPGA explanation was really nice, kudos for the "almost there" painting, perfect analogy. :) I really love the FPGA system, only thing I find less is the 3D printing quality (seen quite a few with layer issues, like can be seen in Linus' video). But very happy you can print it yourself.
They're not issues - that's how internal long spans looks - it's an intentional production decision, not a mistake. They're done as a tradeoff between "cosmetics you will never see" and wasting a **lot** of plastic and time printing supports that need removing afterwards. -Dx
@@Xalior Totally get that, but on the video from Linus, I was seeing layers simply popping up, delaminating. I don't think that should be happening even in production.
i'm so tempted to get one, even though i've had my stack for a few years.. i like the idea of having the digital and analog on one board, and also the audio in/out is a nice addition
Lovely stuff. I didn't know what a Mister was (although I thought it might have been an Atari ST thing). Lovely coverage of the system, what to expect, how to assemble and what you get at the end. Kudos!
Can I suggest you press the F1 key to change the background on the MiSTer, by default it selects the "snow" background, which looks neat in person, however the encoding for TH-cam doesn't like it so much. Pressing F1 toggles the background, I have mine on the solid colour bars
The board and case are very nice, and had they been available I would have gotten them in a heartbeat. As it is I built my own case. For me, having a case makes a HUGE difference and is very well worth it! The MisterFPGA went from being a great device that I used only at my desk, to something that I will bring to the larger TVs in the house or even to friend's homes when we want to play the games of our childhood.
Nice video. I looked at this a little while back when see on reddit and definitely something I want to pick up when can spare the cash. For now using the stacked boards. I'd like to see some of the SNAC adapters in use if you get them, especially the lightguns. Up until the other week I'd only ever used MiSTer on my CRTs. But picked up a 32" modern monitor and makes it easier to play the roTATE cores and still have decent sized screen. And definitely thankful for the 25% scanlines setting, I prefer that look on most games/cores
I feel like the scanlines really bring out extra definition in the GBA core. If you load up Minish Cap for example, look at the sides of the item menu with and without scanlines. You will see definition that you never saw before with the scanlines on. Odd that a system that never used a CRT screen looks so much better on one, or at least with the scanline filter.
@@ctrlaltrees The USB version will be compatible with your MultiSystem. Only .7ms lag-2 player Nes, Snes, PC engine, DB9 Megadrive/Atari and DB15 Neo Geo ports.
Would be good to see the Atari ST running on this. Kind of curious as to how the SD card would work as a hard drive, i.e. would this be treated as an ACSI drive or a GEMDOS one. Many of the HD optimised games only run from an ACSI image.
Your very dry Reece, not that it's a bad thing and that said you have made something complicated to a fellow gaming enthusiast more simple. Interesting content and looking forward to more in the future.
Haha dirty pirates. Well if it wasn't for them dirty low rotten scoundrel pirates projects like this probably wouldn't exist. So pirates are my heroes lol!
Yeaaa I totally didn’t use Update All script and I didn’t copy gigabytes of pirated ROMs to my DE10 nano either 😅 just copied them from my Mega Everdrive Pro with all the ROM hacks 🌱
I could, but how I'd go about it would be highly dependent on the audience and not something I'm really interested in tackling. There are channels out there who've done a far better job of it than I could.
It can certainly do ST and STE - in fact that's what the "ST" in "MiSTer" stood for originally. It's something I want to cover in a future video. I just had a look and it seems there isn't a Falcon030 core, although that's something I'd definitely be interested in too if and when one comes along.
Atari ST? Never heard of it 😁 Seriously though, the video was long enough as it is but I'll definitely investigate some of the stuff that you can run on it in future videos. Thanks for the suggestions! 👍
Why did they not include two NAC ports? What if I want to play with friends. This is an entertainment system. Also the finish is so inconsistent on various sides and corners. $375 with shipping is a bit steep for this quality.
My understanding is that the original concept accounted for 2 SNAC ports but no cores actually support this setup due to lack of available I/O on the DE-10 itself so the second port was dropped in favour of a more useful expansion connector. Personally I'm very happy with the case but it is optional for those who don't want it.
FPGA isn't actaully emulation. It is literally hardware gates. It is more akin to Amd's x86 CPUs, which are intel compatible. These are clones. Emulators translate code into a different system, while FPGAs literally become that system.
You are technically correct of course - although I think it's important to note that not all cores are developed in this way. Some are indeed 1:1 copies of the original hardware, but there are still a few that were developed by reverse engineering other emulators as the original hardware isn't documented to that level. Either way, I appreciate that some in the MiSTer community feel very strongly about the word "emulation", but that doesn't change the dictionary definition. Recreating one system on another - even at a hardware level - is emulation. It's not the dirty word that you think it is. 🤷♂️
@@ctrlaltrees I'm not in the Mister community, and I don't think emulation is a dirty word. I think not using the correct word is sloppy, and leads to misunderstandings between people, and this is especially true of technical subjects were the differences matter. For instance, because Mister is hardware, someone could try and make an Amiga clone that is compatible but better than the original. In fact, the "ao486" on Mister is exactly this. This can lead to actual products, such as the Vampire for the Amiga systems, that are actually working to forward the original platform. Naming it emulation actually limits people's understanding of it, and might influence someone that could have created something great from even knowing they can. Correct word usage is important to convey ideas and options.
No.. it doesn't emulate.. Emulation is software. The Mister does things by literally being reconfigured to duplicate hardware. it's hardware that pretends to be different hardware. Emulation is software based. An emulator is software that acts like hardware in order to run software that specific hardware was not made to run it. Like modern PCs. An FPGA is not emulation, it's literally hardware configured to be different hardware, rather than software running to run software. In fact, FPGAs are so capable of being so accurate because IT'S NOT EMULATION! In fact, analogue consoles have a slogan about how there's no emulation. Purely hardware that's told to pretend to be another piece of hardware. In fact, it's right there "software emulation of complete systems" SOFTWARE FPGA cores are not doing the work, they're telling the hardware HOW to do the work.
"it's hardware that pretends to be different hardware." Yes, this is literally the dictionary definition of emulation. Sorry if that word somehow has negative connotations to you and you feel that that devalues the MiSTer in some way, but it is what it is. I do try my hardest to make the distinction between hardware and software emulation in the video. 🤷♂️ "In fact, analogue consoles have a slogan about how there's no emulation." ...and they've gotten a lot of flak for this, including from FPGA devs themselves.
@@ctrlaltrees Exactly, it's semantics, if it is not physically the same in it's material composition, then it is emulating what it isn't physically. The emotional triggering is embarrassing.
Seriously? A 3D print farm to batch out enclosures? Have they done the math? Those cases look ratty and probably cost way more than a proper plastic mold run when you factor the cost pf the printers and plastic. Injection molding is just one molding technology. Those cases could also be thermoformed which is even more cost effective.
We did the math 😁 Maybe one day injection moulding will be an option but this is an interesting journey we're on and figuring out as we go. The demand for the MMS has really blown us away, and feedback on the quality of the 3D printed cases has been very positive to date. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Bob
I wouldn't agree that it looks "ratty" at all, I'm very happy with it. That's not to say that an even higher quality option wouldn't be appreciated, of course. I can't speak for Heber but they're a manufacturing company with over 30 years of experience, and I work in an adjacent industry, so I do trust that they're capable of "doing the math".
Having been involved in projects that have had multiple custom injection moulded parts made I can tell you something about the maths. Working on the principle that Rich built the Prusa Mk3s himself (very likely!) you could get 10 printers from Prusa direct for the less than cost for ONE of the 4 major parts of the case - hell, the steel alone would be almost as much as the printers! This doesn't count the extra cost for the power button, second top, different backplanes, or Rich's time to redesign the case to make it injection mould friendly... -Dx
If i turn out to not like my case's finish i might give it a very light sandpaper treatment and then I will spraypaint it purple. I am sure it will look excellent then, if only for the colour alone.
Just a small clarification on the front USB ports that I mention at around the 13:10 mark - there are indeed internal headers, but they're not for *extra* ports - they're connected to the existing ports just in case you wanted to re-route them somewhere else (ie for mounting the MMS in a different case). The MultiSystem supports 7 USB ports in total. The small switch that I neglect to mention at around 13:23 is the voltage selector for the accessory connector - it's switchable between 3.3V and 5V.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Multisystem Rees, really pleased that you like it!
You must be that upcoming new channel, which Rees mentioned in the video ;)
You're welcome, and thankyou for creating something that I could get at least one interesting video out of 😅
RMC - small and upcoming channel on TH-cam!! 135K subscribers as of today! ;-)
Never heard of him 😉
the MiSTer is a retro gaming dream, I went all out and got a CRT as well, very happy. I was going to get an Amiga 1200 but as older hardware gets more expensive the MiSTer was a great solution as it does all the 70s 80s 90s 8 and 16bit games. The Neo Geo core is amazing, the whole thing is worth it just for Turf Masters lol. Great video, you deserve more subs for your content.
Thanks so much for the kind comment. Agreed, it really is fantastic! I got so much use out of it over Christmas. I'm a big fan of the Neo Geo core myself (Neo Drift Out FTW). 😁
Great video thanks Rees, I’ve not yet taken the plunge on a mister but certainly very intrigued. I think this is the best video I’ve seen so far and a perfect introduction!
I'm glad these exist, and I hope they sell enough to eventually justify molded cases. If you want it to look like a console, it would be ideal. I'm no fan of 3D printed anything because of the rough finish. I'll be sticking to my MiSTer Addons aluminum cases until a better aluminum case comes out. I love the looks of the aluminum cases and appreciate the much smaller footprint. I hope there will be many more case options for the MiSTer. I'm hoping someone will make a CNC anodized aluminum case for sale. I'd buy a couple for sure.
I'd like something moulded as well but for now I'm going to print the case myself (a new case has just been announced. I plan to sand my print smooth and then paint and lacquer it.
I subbed here after seeing your Atari vid over at RMC. Good stuff, this will be useful when my MMS arrives. Like the channel, I'll keep watching :)
Wooooooo Rees! You’re the best! Mines on its way now, it’s grey with a SCART hole!
That FPGA explanation was really nice, kudos for the "almost there" painting, perfect analogy. :) I really love the FPGA system, only thing I find less is the 3D printing quality (seen quite a few with layer issues, like can be seen in Linus' video). But very happy you can print it yourself.
They're not issues - that's how internal long spans looks - it's an intentional production decision, not a mistake.
They're done as a tradeoff between "cosmetics you will never see" and wasting a **lot** of plastic and time printing supports that need removing afterwards.
-Dx
@@Xalior Totally get that, but on the video from Linus, I was seeing layers simply popping up, delaminating. I don't think that should be happening even in production.
@@VincentGroenewold they’re not delaminating. They’re the underside of the bridging, and quite normal for that production method.
i'm so tempted to get one, even though i've had my stack for a few years.. i like the idea of having the digital and analog on one board, and also the audio in/out is a nice addition
Really does look a great system. I want Richard to knock up a handheld one now to take on the Analogue pocket.
This is an excellent idea! I'll definitely pass it on to them, if only because I want one too 😁
@@ctrlaltrees well sign me up as a beta tester!
Sign me up too, modern day Nomad and Game Gear? Yes please!!!
A balanced introduction to MiSTer and the MMS. Great stuff 👍
Lovely stuff. I didn't know what a Mister was (although I thought it might have been an Atari ST thing). Lovely coverage of the system, what to expect, how to assemble and what you get at the end.
Kudos!
Can I suggest you press the F1 key to change the background on the MiSTer, by default it selects the "snow" background, which looks neat in person, however the encoding for TH-cam doesn't like it so much. Pressing F1 toggles the background, I have mine on the solid colour bars
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll definitely go with a static background in future videos. 👍
The board and case are very nice, and had they been available I would have gotten them in a heartbeat. As it is I built my own case. For me, having a case makes a HUGE difference and is very well worth it! The MisterFPGA went from being a great device that I used only at my desk, to something that I will bring to the larger TVs in the house or even to friend's homes when we want to play the games of our childhood.
One of us, one of us, one of us... welcome to the MiSTer community!
Haha thanks for the warm welcome, it's a great community to be a part of!
That was a beautiful and well structured overview. Best I have seen yet.
Very nice overview of MiSTer.
Excellent review. I think I shall be putting one on my shopping list for next year :)
Glad you enjoyed it - and you definitely should!
Nice video. I looked at this a little while back when see on reddit and definitely something I want to pick up when can spare the cash. For now using the stacked boards.
I'd like to see some of the SNAC adapters in use if you get them, especially the lightguns.
Up until the other week I'd only ever used MiSTer on my CRTs.
But picked up a 32" modern monitor and makes it easier to play the roTATE cores and still have decent sized screen. And definitely thankful for the 25% scanlines setting, I prefer that look on most games/cores
Great video, Rees. Thank you!
You are so welcome! Glad you enjoyed it. 🙂
Thanks for a great overview 👍
Nice choice of games!
I feel like the scanlines really bring out extra definition in the GBA core. If you load up Minish Cap for example, look at the sides of the item menu with and without scanlines. You will see definition that you never saw before with the scanlines on. Odd that a system that never used a CRT screen looks so much better on one, or at least with the scanline filter.
Reese-Check out Antonio Villenas Decapod! I own one and I cannot praise it enough!! Makes the MiSTer experience even better...
Thanks, I will!
@@ctrlaltrees The USB version will be compatible with your MultiSystem. Only .7ms lag-2 player Nes, Snes, PC engine, DB9 Megadrive/Atari and DB15 Neo Geo ports.
Would be good to see the Atari ST running on this. Kind of curious as to how the SD card would work as a hard drive, i.e. would this be treated as an ACSI drive or a GEMDOS one. Many of the HD optimised games only run from an ACSI image.
the core supports ACSI..
Your very dry Reece, not that it's a bad thing and that said you have made something complicated to a fellow gaming enthusiast more simple. Interesting content and looking forward to more in the future.
Haha dirty pirates. Well if it wasn't for them dirty low rotten scoundrel pirates projects like this probably wouldn't exist. So pirates are my heroes lol!
Yeaaa I totally didn’t use Update All script and I didn’t copy gigabytes of pirated ROMs to my DE10 nano either 😅 just copied them from my Mega Everdrive Pro with all the ROM hacks 🌱
Could you explain how an FPGA works?
I could, but how I'd go about it would be highly dependent on the audience and not something I'm really interested in tackling. There are channels out there who've done a far better job of it than I could.
I want this. Can you get it Murica?
Can use this to replace an entire STE or Falcon 030?
It can certainly do ST and STE - in fact that's what the "ST" in "MiSTer" stood for originally. It's something I want to cover in a future video. I just had a look and it seems there isn't a Falcon030 core, although that's something I'd definitely be interested in too if and when one comes along.
Atari ST support? Windows 3.1?
Atari ST? Never heard of it 😁
Seriously though, the video was long enough as it is but I'll definitely investigate some of the stuff that you can run on it in future videos. Thanks for the suggestions! 👍
@@ctrlaltrees Have fun. :)
ST and STe cores are available
and you can install win3.1 on the ao486 core.
@@bazza5699 Cool. Thank you. I hope the same is true for Mega STE and Falcon/TT.
@@Trusteft yeah there is a megaSTe mode but no falcon/tt as far as i know..
Why did they not include two NAC ports? What if I want to play with friends. This is an entertainment system. Also the finish is so inconsistent on various sides and corners. $375 with shipping is a bit steep for this quality.
My understanding is that the original concept accounted for 2 SNAC ports but no cores actually support this setup due to lack of available I/O on the DE-10 itself so the second port was dropped in favour of a more useful expansion connector. Personally I'm very happy with the case but it is optional for those who don't want it.
FPGA isn't actaully emulation. It is literally hardware gates. It is more akin to Amd's x86 CPUs, which are intel compatible. These are clones.
Emulators translate code into a different system, while FPGAs literally become that system.
You are technically correct of course - although I think it's important to note that not all cores are developed in this way. Some are indeed 1:1 copies of the original hardware, but there are still a few that were developed by reverse engineering other emulators as the original hardware isn't documented to that level.
Either way, I appreciate that some in the MiSTer community feel very strongly about the word "emulation", but that doesn't change the dictionary definition. Recreating one system on another - even at a hardware level - is emulation. It's not the dirty word that you think it is. 🤷♂️
@@ctrlaltrees I'm not in the Mister community, and I don't think emulation is a dirty word. I think not using the correct word is sloppy, and leads to misunderstandings between people, and this is especially true of technical subjects were the differences matter.
For instance, because Mister is hardware, someone could try and make an Amiga clone that is compatible but better than the original.
In fact, the "ao486" on Mister is exactly this.
This can lead to actual products, such as the Vampire for the Amiga systems, that are actually working to forward the original platform.
Naming it emulation actually limits people's understanding of it, and might influence someone that could have created something great from even knowing they can.
Correct word usage is important to convey ideas and options.
I think the shell design looks terrible
There is a redesigned version launching very soon. Also the files are available if you'd like to tweak it for your own needs. 🙂
No.. it doesn't emulate..
Emulation is software.
The Mister does things by literally being reconfigured to duplicate hardware.
it's hardware that pretends to be different hardware.
Emulation is software based.
An emulator is software that acts like hardware in order to run software that specific hardware was not made to run it.
Like modern PCs.
An FPGA is not emulation, it's literally hardware configured to be different hardware, rather than software running to run software.
In fact, FPGAs are so capable of being so accurate because IT'S NOT EMULATION!
In fact, analogue consoles have a slogan about how there's no emulation.
Purely hardware that's told to pretend to be another piece of hardware.
In fact, it's right there "software emulation of complete systems" SOFTWARE
FPGA cores are not doing the work, they're telling the hardware HOW to do the work.
"it's hardware that pretends to be different hardware."
Yes, this is literally the dictionary definition of emulation. Sorry if that word somehow has negative connotations to you and you feel that that devalues the MiSTer in some way, but it is what it is. I do try my hardest to make the distinction between hardware and software emulation in the video. 🤷♂️
"In fact, analogue consoles have a slogan about how there's no emulation."
...and they've gotten a lot of flak for this, including from FPGA devs themselves.
@@ctrlaltrees Exactly, it's semantics, if it is not physically the same in it's material composition, then it is emulating what it isn't physically.
The emotional triggering is embarrassing.
Seriously? A 3D print farm to batch out enclosures? Have they done the math? Those cases look ratty and probably cost way more than a proper plastic mold run when you factor the cost pf the printers and plastic. Injection molding is just one molding technology. Those cases could also be thermoformed which is even more cost effective.
We did the math 😁 Maybe one day injection moulding will be an option but this is an interesting journey we're on and figuring out as we go. The demand for the MMS has really blown us away, and feedback on the quality of the 3D printed cases has been very positive to date. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Bob
I wouldn't agree that it looks "ratty" at all, I'm very happy with it. That's not to say that an even higher quality option wouldn't be appreciated, of course. I can't speak for Heber but they're a manufacturing company with over 30 years of experience, and I work in an adjacent industry, so I do trust that they're capable of "doing the math".
Having been involved in projects that have had multiple custom injection moulded parts made I can tell you something about the maths.
Working on the principle that Rich built the Prusa Mk3s himself (very likely!) you could get 10 printers from Prusa direct for the less than cost for ONE of the 4 major parts of the case - hell, the steel alone would be almost as much as the printers! This doesn't count the extra cost for the power button, second top, different backplanes, or Rich's time to redesign the case to make it injection mould friendly...
-Dx
If i turn out to not like my case's finish i might give it a very light sandpaper treatment and then I will spraypaint it purple. I am sure it will look excellent then, if only for the colour alone.
@@catriona_drummond Use a plastic primer first, in my experience - helps with sanding blemishes and paint adhesion. x