Somewhere off in a corner office in the Federation, theres a lawyer beaming with pride at the nuclear option he snuck into the agreement that Picard found....
@Tejesh Patel with the logic involved, it's not unlikely that this bureaucrat was Vulcan, in which case he'd live long enough to see the nuclear option utilized.
@Tejesh Patel No, if he or she was, say, 30 (or even 40) when they wrote the term in 2255, they'd be about 140-50 in Picard's time. Old, for sure, but humans could expect to live to about 150 or so in 2300 - it's the equivalent of 70-80 today. Still old, but hardly decrepit.
Kind of a metaphor on the place of war in political relations - sparing because of the huge expense. "To win a hundred battles is not the acme of skill; to win one battle *without fighting* is the acme of skill." - Sun-Tzu
@@empath69 “Without Knowledge, Skill cannot be focused. Without Skill, Strength cannot be brought to bear and without Strength, Knowledge may not be applied.” - Alexander The Great
And the show was all the better for it. As opposed to nu-Trek where they spend more money and energy on parlor tricks and special effects than they do on clever writing
Most people, actually. It was famous for it. When I was a kid in the 90s and Trek was in its prime I remember thinking it was super boring. I didn't learn to like Trek until I was well into my twenties.
It's mostly millennials and generation Z. It's not that they don't have a sense of humor, its that growing up with mobile phone, apps, and TV today has programmed their minds to have the attention span of gnats.
"I choose the Klingons to arbitrate. Unfortunately, the Klingons arbitrate disputes through ritual combat, so I will have to beat the ever-loving shit out of you now."
What makes it even better is when you realise the Enterprise is self-cleaning. There is no dust! Picard is essentially going over, wiping the top of the plaque and thinking, "yeah, my ship is fucking awesome. There is no dirt that they can throw back."
"it'll take 15 years and a research team of 100' but...". can we all give a moment of thanks to the engineers in life who are willing to do whatever it takes to get crap done
HEAR HEAR!! But on that note, what was Picards response? “Mr.Laforge, mumble mumble mumble” No subtitles and I’ve listened three times and still can hear it!
And often under conditions and timelines that border on the insane. Why there was an account of an Engineer who sacrificed his toothbrush to restore electrical stability in a runaway system and saved a US Navy Submarine in the Second World War. Interestingly enough, I believe a Black Mess Hand did the same on a US Coast Guard Cutter. He was actually knowledgeable about Engineering, but racial policies in the USCG consigned him to KP, but when the other Engineers failed, he succeeded at restarting his stranded ship's engines and his Captain would happen to sit on the USCG board deciding about Desegregation a few years later and recalled why he had a gifted Engineer as a Mess Hand and voted to end racial segregation in the United States Coast Guard.
Considering the fact that this adjustment was thought to be impossible, I'd say Geordi REALLY knocked it out of the park. He hope submitted that theory and process to star fleet so they could work on it themselves with more resources, becuase beaming through radiation sounds incredibly handy in many scenarios!
Best part of this is the Thrawn like “Thank you” without an ounce of gloating over your defeated enemy. Ultimately the goal is to keep the treaty, and Picard shows them respect even after winning.
@@wolfmantheimpaler The Federation has a definite technology advantage. But Thrawn wouldn't jump right to war against an opponent like that anyway. He'd probably play the long game, slowly upgrading his own tech to get up to par, while playing the Federation and its allies and enemies against each other. Then, BAM, he hits out of nowhere, and as Starfleet struggles to respond you have a list of epic captains like Picard, Riker, and Sisko being the only hope against Thrawn
@@MrSleepyweezul Honestly, I'd prefer to see Thrawn work *with* the Federation. I can easily see him and Picard becoming good friends. Plus, the Romulans and the Cardassians wouldn't stand a chance.
They also would've introduced rules-lawyering into Star Trek, which could've created untold storyline possibilities about the nature of when to follow rules, and when not to.
One thing I have to say. Picard always looks like a runt next to Riker and Worf who both have really large frames. I can somehow imagine these guys looking at him and thinking "What, this guy?" upon meeting him the first time (I haven't watched s1e1 in a while so I don't remember). And then Picard shows - time and again - that no one fucks with Johnny. Having that said, Picard and Riker work together a little too well.
That's what I always liked about Picard's and Riker's relationship. They were like a father and son who genuinely cared about and respected each other. They were a good balance of traits.
@@Jayteaseepiirturi One comment that I love about Sir Patrick Stewart and Picard is that: "He looks like a small runt of a man, with a bald head, and no features to speak of, but he's a god in my eyes, and I would follow him everywhere."
HighPraetar You're acting as if the radiation was a necessary part of the script. In effect you're agreeing with him; the writers wanted Data to be the only one on the planet, so the radiation aspect of the plot was added as a necessity for the story that they wanted to tell.
But does Data has the creative reasoning needed to come up with this way of getting the Sheliak to agree? He is a machine after all so he'll just read it.
@@richardcrooks6713 searching for time is an analytical assessment. When he would get to the 3rd party part one would assume he would cross check that with every species he knows. For example, a species with low warp capabilities only and a great distance away could have worked as well.
Ryan Racicot, good point, assuming Data is programmed to know to perform that sort of cross reference when he reaches that part of the treaty. As he's a 24th century computer, he might well be!
As a kid, I found this amusing. As an adult who has had to dig through reams of legal documents, I love this. Hell, I even got to pull a nearly identical maneuver twice. It truly is an amazing feeling to beat someone with their own damn rules.
My favorite was the guy who received a credit contract\application from his bank, scanned it, modified it, signed it, and returned it to the bank, who also signed it. He later called upon them to honor the terms he added, which they refused. He took them to court and the Judge found for the customer, saying that if the reverse had happened, the bank would have held the customer to the contract he erroneously signed.
@@DavidKnowles0 It gave him unlimited credit, 0.0% interest, and exemption from any and all fees for any reason. It held up in court, the court ruled he only had to pay the balance on the credit card, not the fees or interest they were suing him for. He countersued for $500,000 for breach of contract, but he and the bank eventually came to a settlement "as gentlemen."
@@dangeary2134 No. Not a lawyer, but rather a regulatory analyst. All I did was read all the dumb rules, regulations, legal codes, fine print etc. that you would normally hire out to a paralegal or something. I didn't mind it though, and it has actually paid off big. I got to wipe the floor with both my boss and HR once when they started f*cking with my contract and I returned the favor a year later when a client tried to pull out of a seven figure contract after we had given them most of the deliverables with a month left on contract. There is truly power in fine print my friend. You just need to know where to find it. Mwahahahaha!
Riker: “you enjoyed that!” Picard: “you’re DAMN right!” The fact that he stood around checking for dust accumulation while making them wait even further was priceless! 😂😂😂
+PuertoRican88 a·bey·ance noun a state of temporary disuse or suspension. "matters were held in abeyance pending further inquiries" synonyms: in suspension, in a state of suspension, in a state of dormancy, in a state of uncertainty, in remission;
Akrahm Joltevskoy: there's no need to be rude, the word isn't exactly a highly used one, at least for me TNG is the only place I've ever heard it. a simple "guy it's Abeyance" would have sufficed. we should really try to be a little more friendly, yeah?? we might all be strangers but we can still talk with a little respect right?? just saying.
The best and ultimate part of this scene, is the fact that Patrick Fucking Stewart was just supposed to give a pause and then answer the hail. INSTEAD, he chose to add to the scene by walking over to the plaque, making them wait on him for a change. You can even see that this was unexpected at 1:37. Jonathan Frakes raises his head in surprise at Stewart walking towards the wall. You can see that Frakes was amused at him checking the dust, and Dorn was both playing along and in character perfectly. This is just another showing of theatrical artistry in work.
To be fair, they probably added the cut of worf saying "sir?" after the impromptu dust wiping. The camera change was too perfect for it to be unscripted, even if Stewart's acting was unscripted. Stewart added so much the series. I don't think it would be nearly as good without him.
That little background detail when Picard says "On Screen", have you noticed how Riker's face goes all cheerd up while Troi's face looks horrified? It's pure comedy gold.
One of the things which really makes the show is the chemistry of the crew after the first season. They could pull off ad-libs like that because they know themselves, their characters, and each other. Another good example of that in modern television is It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
So let's look at this from the Sheliaks' perspective: Option one: Ignore the terms of the treaty and give Picard three weeks as per his request. Option two: Abide the terms of the treaty and give Picard _six months_ as per his request. Option three: Abide the terms of the treaty, nullify the treaty, and lose our claim on the planet altogether.
lazyperfectionist1 Tup pretty much. And it would actually be longer than six months. Six months until the Grizellas wake up. Then there's travel and arbitration time tacked on.
@@bathrat Any species that's so Lawful Anal would consider violating a treaty to be massively taboo. Picard had them fair and square, they either had to accept arbitration, compromise, or be the ones to break the treaty.
That "Thank You" by Picard at the end is so damn satisfying. As others have said what really makes this scene is Riker's reactions. There's nothing like a good #2 (or Number One in his case) to tie everything together, both in storytelling terms, but also leadership terms. In real life in a situation like this, while everyone is fixated on the Captain, they would also be stealing glances at the second in command to take in his/her reaction. Riker's little smiles and head movements would signal to the rest of the crew that "no, Picard isn't gonna get us into an intergalactic war he's got something up his sleeve. I don't know what it is, but we'll know soon enough and it's gonna be damned good."
What makes the scene better is that Patrick Stewart adlibbed the plaque part. He was just supposed to stroll over to it look at then walk back but he added the flourish of the checking for dust during the take and they loved it so they kept it in.
Kirk: master of women and hammy acting Sisko: master of war and multitasking Janeway: master of survival and first contact Picard: master of diplomacy and loophole exploitation
night hal 1 I don't know what it is exactly or where it's from, but there's a short clip(practically a meme by now), of a bunch of young black men hootin' and hollerin' like somebody's about to be ripped a new one. After reading your post, that's what came to mind, picturing that clip playing as Piccard paced😀.
Very likely, star trek *inspired* iPads. A fair few pieces of modern tech exist because someone with know-how watched star trek and thought "well that looks neat and also probably marketable"
@@danieljames1868 Very true. The CEO of Motorola in the late 60s and early 70s came up with the idea of a manual-switchboard-free wireless phone network after seeing the communicators used on the original series. Star Trek is literally the reason cell phones exist.
The Sheliak hung up on them twice - once on hailing frequency from orbit and again by being unceremoniously teleported back to the bridge of the Enterprise from an in-face meeting. The buildup really pays off here!
Like I said in my own comment, Picard essentially said politely, "Either give me my three weeks, or take this treaty, cramp it up whatever orifice your people use as an ass and wait six months. Either way I get what I want."
@@doubtingthomas6146 Garak would have talked his way on their ship, snuck a bomb in their engine room, get caught, feign defeat and their captain and most of their officers suddenly drop dead which would have been the goal all along. More like The Prince, written by Machiavelli
This is the point where Picard started to become human and the viewers began to really care abou him. He showed humor, great strategy, and just saying 'you're damned right' shows he really was enjoying himself and not just a monochrome figurehead.
Panta Gorian "My client is guilty of being innocent." Picard would confuse the judge and jury long enough to make them doubt themselves. Hung jury or not guilty verdict coming up methinks.
If 2:26 was a century earlier: "It will take 15 years and a research team of 100..." "Mr Scott, do what you can!" "Aye, Sir! I'll have that bloody thing running in an hour."
Wells306 damn right he would he says so himself when he is on TNG. If you tell people how long it will really take no one will call you a miracle worker
I never caught this before but Deanna's "for the love of God" look on her face when Worf says fighting would be preferable was hilarious. She even rolls her eyes.
One of my favorite scenes that makes Star Trek stand out from other sci fi. You don’t need an epic blaster fight or ships lobbing fire at one abother to make the resolution to a conflict satisfying and interesting. Just really confident negotiations
You say that, and it's certainly true. Though Babylon 5 certainly ended the Shadow War with a philosophical debate and victory. True that final encounter involves not one but two planet killers, multiple nukes, and whole fleets of warships.
In one of the more boring alternate futures (All Good Things), he becomes one of their greatest ambassadors. Fortunately, Kirk sets him straight in his very last speech that their true calling is forever Making A Difference on the Enterprise.
Just know that ambassadors and diplomats that created the treaty's "Pursuant 2, Paragraph 1290 and furthermore Pursuant 2, subsection D-3", Picard would not have been able to bend the Sheliak to his will.
One of my favorite jokes in the whole show is in this episode. Geordi is testing the transporter and thinks he finally has a breakthrough, and then doesn't. Picard walks in right as the test fails, says nothing, and IMMEDIATELY flips around and walks out, like "oookay I'll come back later". I laughed my ass off seeing that for the first time.
2:22 LAFORGE: Captain, we can do it. We can modify the transporters. PICARD: Excellent. LAFORGE: It'll take fifteen years, and a research team of a hundred. lol
I love how Picard slams the Sheliak with their own treaty. Basically he's saying, "Either give me my three weeks or you can take this treaty, cram if up whatever orifice your people use for an ass, and wait six months."
I find it unlike ly the Sheliak would agree to that paragraph as written; Surely they would want both sides to _agree on_ the arbitrating party instead of letting one side or the other just choose who.
1:10 "... Absurd. We carry the membership. We can 'brook' no delay..." [ BROOK | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary brook meaning: 1 . a small stream: 2. to not allow or accept something, especially a difference of opinion or intention. As a verb, brook is a rather stuffy word for "put up with." The lord of the manor might say, "I will brook no trespassing on my land." ] Did y'all catch that?
Well... different, but in a very good way. Kirk may have been a right proper Captain for the era of the late '60s -- um, I mean, 1312.4. (Space Western, and all that.) Picard gave us a look at what humanity could become, having advanced another 3/4 century.
*Kirk* was a "frontier" captain... Searching for new civilizations on the edge of known space. His mission was always on the edge of the Federation's influence or further out. *Picard* was a "diplomatic" captain... Filling in the holes the frontier captains (both past & present) had missed. His mission had the full weight of the Federation available at reasonable reaction rates.
I loved this scene from the first time I watched it! It starts out very good when Picard names the arbitration race, then gets even better from there. Riker and Troi's reactions are priceless. Riker is barely containing his laughter. And the way Troi looks like she's panicking when Picard wipes the dust from the plaque?-Priceless!
That stunned look on Deanna's face as Picard makes the freakin Sheliak wait on HIM for once is priceless. The chair beside her is reserved for a man among men! :P
Geordi marched in ready to give the speech of his life about how Starfleet always expects miracles from its engineers and Picard shot him straight down.
+Adam G: Lawyers are usefull, as long as there is another party to use them against. I do not see how the future or interspecies relations would be different.
True this one of Picard's greatest moment... yet my favorite is when that Admiral is order Data to hand over his daughter and Picards tells him no and says, 'Order a man to handover his child to the state not while I'm his captain'.
Moments like THAT cause people to fall in love with Star Trek. It's humor based entirely on the situation and the build up, and it's completely in character. It's hilarious in the context in which it's delivered, and it's even better when it's delivered by Sir Patrick Stewart.
It's comical how fast the Sheliak haul ass on their ship just after Picard merely threatened to end the treaty. They spent the majority of the episode wasting time and practically flaunting it in his face.
curtis Berard abeyance, it's fittingly old French word. Still, a suspension could lead to a permanent end to a treaty. His annoying counterparts clearly did not want to risk that. I wonder how the other captains would have handled this.
curtis Berard Sisko probably end up doing what Picard did but much more blunt and way faster. He would not be patient, which would be best in this situation. Archer... umm... heh He'd probably give up and ask T'Pol Janeway, god help us. Sulu, not sure what he'd do.
+ V Guyver If we're talking Prime Sulu, I dunno. Probably pull out a rapier and ask to beam aboard to settle this man-to-man. If we're talking Kelvin timeline Sulu, he'd pull off one heck of a bluff. This IS the guy who managed to get Khan to surrender to Kirk.
Word of this got back to the rest of the Federation; well, Sarek may not have smiled, but he would have raised an eyebrow out of respect for Picard using logic to win the day.
Pretty sure that the crew of the Enterprise qualifies as Lawful Good, not Neutral. The crew of DS9 qualified as Lawful Neutral (Sisko for example). I love Star Trek. My absolute favorite series. I'd say Chaotic Good is the most entertaining. Definitely not overdone! We don't get enough of it!
@@DarthObscurity Ryker is Neutral Good. Chaotic characters don't like law and that's not true with Ryker. Ryker just does good above law, unlike a lawful neutral or a lawful good character (Though actually it's a classic dilemma for a lawful good person to be faced with "Law or Good" that I like a lot.) Considering above, I do agree with the idea that chaotic good is overdone in D&D where Alignment comes from. I don't think it's overdone in general media.
Anyone actually read the section of the treaty that Picard picked out on screen at 00:10? "Yes, we can do search-and replace. Come to think of it, that's what the Shelliac want to do with the colony on the planet. This section deals with the right of each party to confer with the other in the event something screwy happens with the treaty. This may take the form of normal IM spectral communication, subspace IM communication, face-to-face meetings, telephone tag, messages in bottles, or any other water-tight form of inclosure, gossip, half-truths, outright lies, or face-to-face meetings." With a bit of technical jargon at the end.
And THIS is why J.J. Abrams is physically incapable of getting it. ST fans LOOK for this shit with proverbial tweezers ... or cackle madly when a fellow fan finds it first, as I am doing now.
I take it you read that from some high definition version of the show like a DVD/Bluray release or something, because the quality here is not high enough to read what's there.
Picard just owned the Sheliak like annoying telemarketers. Sheliak: *ring ring* Picard: *dusts the Enterprise plaque* "Hmm, when was the last time this was cleaned..." Sheliak: *ring ring* Picard: . . . Sheliak: *ring ring ring* Picard: "Yes, thank you. Don't call again." Sheliak: *gets the fekk outta there*
Jean-Luc did this quite frequently; outmaneuvering his opponents with such clever wordplay and/or trickery. If there was ever a way to come out on top without firing a shot, you could bet on him finding it. Every StarFleet Captain had his/her own merits, and this was his!
Agreed! Like when he could only get a Klingon junior adjutant to respond to a communication. Although he did have a, shall we say "more old-fashioned" way of "negotiating" with the terrorist who shot Worf on the bridge. Quite the shock to see Picard the Negotiator deal this terrorist some closed-fisted diplomacy. (Of course, he did get kidnapped for his efforts, so....)
The way he walks over to the plaque, you just know Picard was hoping the Sheliak were capable of sweating so he could make them sweat it out for those seconds, ultimate power move
TheMikeX74 Picard is politely saying, "Either give me my three weeks or you can take this treaty, cram it into whatever orifice your people use for an ass and wait six months. Either way I get what I want."
Honestly this episode is one of my favorites. The A storyline is dramatic and tense while the B line (getting the transporters to work) is freaking hilarious
Well what is the A story? There are three storylines in service of the plot, Picard trying to get the Sheliak to get them more time, Geordi and Wes trying to get the Transporters to get through the radiation, and Data trying to convince the colonist to leave.
Somewhere off in a corner office in the Federation, theres a lawyer beaming with pride at the nuclear option he snuck into the agreement that Picard found....
@Tejesh Patel with the logic involved, it's not unlikely that this bureaucrat was Vulcan, in which case he'd live long enough to see the nuclear option utilized.
@@BravoDox Technically correct. Although after watching Take Me Out to the Holosuite, you can't tell me they're incapable of being smug!
@Tejesh Patel No, if he or she was, say, 30 (or even 40) when they wrote the term in 2255, they'd be about 140-50 in Picard's time. Old, for sure, but humans could expect to live to about 150 or so in 2300 - it's the equivalent of 70-80 today. Still old, but hardly decrepit.
or she
@@edmonton20084, i've got 3 older sisters that between them completely contradict each one of your points, twice over on the cooking bit.
The amount of money they saved in special effects by having Picard as captain diplomatically negotiating his way out of action scenes
Kind of a metaphor on the place of war in political relations - sparing because of the huge expense.
"To win a hundred battles is not the acme of skill; to win one battle *without fighting* is the acme of skill." - Sun-Tzu
@@empath69 “Without Knowledge, Skill cannot be focused. Without Skill, Strength cannot be brought to bear and without Strength, Knowledge may not be applied.” - Alexander The Great
And the show was all the better for it. As opposed to nu-Trek where they spend more money and energy on parlor tricks and special effects than they do on clever writing
back when cg was expensive enough that you had to put effort into writing. A simpler time
lool now it's the other way round. They invest in so much CGI but the story is still bad.
Anyone who calls this show "boring" has no sense of humor.
chavesa5 people actually find the next generation to be boring?!?!
Most people, actually. It was famous for it. When I was a kid in the 90s and Trek was in its prime I remember thinking it was super boring. I didn't learn to like Trek until I was well into my twenties.
chavesa5 well nowadays I find it to be more entertaining than discovery 🤣
@@Sacha_8976 I've had tax audits more entertaining than Discovery. That show sucks noodles.
It's mostly millennials and generation Z. It's not that they don't have a sense of humor, its that growing up with mobile phone, apps, and TV today has programmed their minds to have the attention span of gnats.
"I choose the Klingons to arbitrate. Unfortunately, the Klingons arbitrate disputes through ritual combat, so I will have to beat the ever-loving shit out of you now."
Thank you for the good laugh :D
😂
*Worf slaps his combadge on Picard's desk for the third time and makes a beeline to the transporter pad*
As much as I'd love to see the showdown I suspect they'd reply with "Denied. The arbitrator must be neutral not an ally of one side."
I read this in Patrick Stewart's voice, which made it ten times funnier.
Riker's face during this entire scene is gold. You know he's thinking "And THAT is why I want to keep working under this captain!"
You're damn right!
Meanwhile Troi just can't believe what she's witnessing.
And Data will later ask Picard about this side of human behavior
Yeh, he's thinking I don't have the balls to do what Picard does.
Exactly!
Seeing Picard stroll over to the plaque and wipe the dust off never gets old.
thought2007 yeah i watched it ten times straight
What makes it even better is when you realise the Enterprise is self-cleaning.
There is no dust!
Picard is essentially going over, wiping the top of the plaque and thinking, "yeah, my ship is fucking awesome. There is no dirt that they can throw back."
It's actually unscripted too. You can see the actor playing Riker is surprised when he starts to walk over to the plaque.
@@Helbore Watch a few episodes of Voyager.
@@Geiger373 I've watched them all!
6 months from now we can congratulate the Grezelas on their amazing 3rd party negotiating skills
William Moxon lol
For hibernating?
They probably woke up and were like, "Wait...what? Tretay? We JUST woke up!"
Not needed anymore. He got the three weeks.
@@tyrongkojy That's the point.
"it'll take 15 years and a research team of 100' but...". can we all give a moment of thanks to the engineers in life who are willing to do whatever it takes to get crap done
HEAR HEAR!!
But on that note, what was Picards response?
“Mr.Laforge, mumble mumble mumble”
No subtitles and I’ve listened three times and still can hear it!
@@chucksolutions4579 I think he said "Mr. Laforge, I believe we will postpone"
@@silversjohn "I believe you overspoke."
That is 'I just wanted a yes or no, I didn't want to hear you bitch about it.'
And often under conditions and timelines that border on the insane.
Why there was an account of an Engineer who sacrificed his toothbrush to restore electrical stability in a runaway system and saved a US Navy Submarine in the Second World War.
Interestingly enough, I believe a Black Mess Hand did the same on a US Coast Guard Cutter.
He was actually knowledgeable about Engineering, but racial policies in the USCG consigned him to KP, but when the other Engineers failed, he succeeded at restarting his stranded ship's engines and his Captain would happen to sit on the USCG board deciding about Desegregation a few years later and recalled why he had a gifted Engineer as a Mess Hand and voted to end racial segregation in the United States Coast Guard.
Considering the fact that this adjustment was thought to be impossible, I'd say Geordi REALLY knocked it out of the park. He hope submitted that theory and process to star fleet so they could work on it themselves with more resources, becuase beaming through radiation sounds incredibly handy in many scenarios!
"You enjoyed that."
"You're damned right!"
If I didn't know any better, that wasn't Riker talking to Picard, that was Frakes talking to Stewart.
Probably a bit of column A and a bit of column B
same difference
Both
That's technically true, however,...
Oh probably.
Best part of this is the Thrawn like “Thank you” without an ounce of gloating over your defeated enemy. Ultimately the goal is to keep the treaty, and Picard shows them respect even after winning.
Honor and Dignity.
Thrawn vs Picard, what a battle that would be...
@@MrSleepyweezul Thrawn vs the Federation alone would be interesting
@@wolfmantheimpaler The Federation has a definite technology advantage. But Thrawn wouldn't jump right to war against an opponent like that anyway. He'd probably play the long game, slowly upgrading his own tech to get up to par, while playing the Federation and its allies and enemies against each other. Then, BAM, he hits out of nowhere, and as Starfleet struggles to respond you have a list of epic captains like Picard, Riker, and Sisko being the only hope against Thrawn
@@MrSleepyweezul Honestly, I'd prefer to see Thrawn work *with* the Federation. I can easily see him and Picard becoming good friends. Plus, the Romulans and the Cardassians wouldn't stand a chance.
The Sheliak are one of the few species I really wish had gotten more air time than it got. The show really needed a non-humnoid race
They also would've introduced rules-lawyering into Star Trek, which could've created untold storyline possibilities about the nature of when to follow rules, and when not to.
strongly agree with you.
*****:)
They did have non humanoids - called the Execs at Paramount
Trek001 ouch!!!!
Riker's admiration is so visible it's hilarious. Like a boy looking up to his dad in awe.
and after the director yelled cut Frakes gets up n imitates picard and the entire set dies laughing
One thing I have to say. Picard always looks like a runt next to Riker and Worf who both have really large frames. I can somehow imagine these guys looking at him and thinking "What, this guy?" upon meeting him the first time (I haven't watched s1e1 in a while so I don't remember).
And then Picard shows - time and again - that no one fucks with Johnny.
Having that said, Picard and Riker work together a little too well.
Not at all! :) Johnny refers to Picard. He used to be called Johnny back in the academy. See TNG s6e15, Tapestry. :)
That's what I always liked about Picard's and Riker's relationship. They were like a father and son who genuinely cared about and respected each other. They were a good balance of traits.
@@Jayteaseepiirturi One comment that I love about Sir Patrick Stewart and Picard is that: "He looks like a small runt of a man, with a bald head, and no features to speak of, but he's a god in my eyes, and I would follow him everywhere."
I see now why the writers had Data occupied with the people on the planet; otherwise, Data could just read the entire treaty in about 2 seconds.
And the fact that the rest of the crew would have died from that radiation down there?
HighPraetar
You're acting as if the radiation was a necessary part of the script. In effect you're agreeing with him; the writers wanted Data to be the only one on the planet, so the radiation aspect of the plot was added as a necessity for the story that they wanted to tell.
But does Data has the creative reasoning needed to come up with this way of getting the Sheliak to agree? He is a machine after all so he'll just read it.
@@richardcrooks6713 searching for time is an analytical assessment. When he would get to the 3rd party part one would assume he would cross check that with every species he knows. For example, a species with low warp capabilities only and a great distance away could have worked as well.
Ryan Racicot, good point, assuming Data is programmed to know to perform that sort of cross reference when he reaches that part of the treaty. As he's a 24th century computer, he might well be!
As a kid, I found this amusing.
As an adult who has had to dig through reams of legal documents, I love this. Hell, I even got to pull a nearly identical maneuver twice. It truly is an amazing feeling to beat someone with their own damn rules.
My favorite was the guy who received a credit contract\application from his bank, scanned it, modified it, signed it, and returned it to the bank, who also signed it. He later called upon them to honor the terms he added, which they refused. He took them to court and the Judge found for the customer, saying that if the reverse had happened, the bank would have held the customer to the contract he erroneously signed.
@@keamu8580 what did he add?
@@DavidKnowles0 It gave him unlimited credit, 0.0% interest, and exemption from any and all fees for any reason. It held up in court, the court ruled he only had to pay the balance on the credit card, not the fees or interest they were suing him for. He countersued for $500,000 for breach of contract, but he and the bank eventually came to a settlement "as gentlemen."
Did you become a lawyer?
@@dangeary2134 No. Not a lawyer, but rather a regulatory analyst. All I did was read all the dumb rules, regulations, legal codes, fine print etc. that you would normally hire out to a paralegal or something. I didn't mind it though, and it has actually paid off big. I got to wipe the floor with both my boss and HR once when they started f*cking with my contract and I returned the favor a year later when a client tried to pull out of a seven figure contract after we had given them most of the deliverables with a month left on contract.
There is truly power in fine print my friend. You just need to know where to find it. Mwahahahaha!
Riker: “you enjoyed that!”
Picard: “you’re DAMN right!”
The fact that he stood around checking for dust accumulation while making them wait even further was priceless! 😂😂😂
Especially when we know the ship cleans itself.
Yup! 😂
Only Picard could say something as dull as "I declare this treaty in abeyance" and come across like Dirty Harry's "Make my day" lol
+PuertoRican88
a·bey·ance
noun
a state of temporary disuse or suspension.
"matters were held in abeyance pending further inquiries"
synonyms: in suspension, in a state of suspension, in a state of dormancy, in a state of uncertainty, in remission;
Dude. It's clearly ambulance. :D.
Akrahm Joltevskoy How ironic coming from the guy who cannot use proper capitalization and punctuation.
Akrahm Joltevskoy: there's no need to be rude, the word isn't exactly a highly used one, at least for me TNG is the only place I've ever heard it. a simple "guy it's Abeyance" would have sufficed. we should really try to be a little more friendly, yeah?? we might all be strangers but we can still talk with a little respect right?? just saying.
he actually says "amber lamps"
The best and ultimate part of this scene, is the fact that Patrick Fucking Stewart was just supposed to give a pause and then answer the hail. INSTEAD, he chose to add to the scene by walking over to the plaque, making them wait on him for a change.
You can even see that this was unexpected at 1:37. Jonathan Frakes raises his head in surprise at Stewart walking towards the wall. You can see that Frakes was amused at him checking the dust, and Dorn was both playing along and in character perfectly.
This is just another showing of theatrical artistry in work.
To be fair, they probably added the cut of worf saying "sir?" after the impromptu dust wiping.
The camera change was too perfect for it to be unscripted, even if Stewart's acting was unscripted.
Stewart added so much the series. I don't think it would be nearly as good without him.
Agreed! They both did a fantastic job with this scene to be honest.
Fans seem to think every other thing is ad-libbed when it's not.
Why would the camera follow him in such a precise and well framed way if this was completely ad libbed?
@@Eggs_is_eggs
It's a pretty simple tracking shot.
That little background detail when Picard says "On Screen", have you noticed how Riker's face goes all cheerd up while Troi's face looks horrified? It's pure comedy gold.
That's because Troi is an empath and knows how angry the Sheliak have become. Riker is just impressed with Picard's tactics.
@@Rocket1377 Well, then it's pure comedy gold AND great writing
After they cave, she's smiling her a$$ off, too. 😁
The best part of that episode was Data’s line: “That was the stun setting. This is not.”
I swear when ever Riker smiles, I start smiling, sometimes even laughing, it's all in the timing
One of the things which really makes the show is the chemistry of the crew after the first season. They could pull off ad-libs like that because they know themselves, their characters, and each other. Another good example of that in modern television is It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
You're all in love.
@@LordTalax Hell yeah.
You may laugh even harder after you saw him smiling in THIS: th-cam.com/video/wyKq7Aax-hI/w-d-xo.html ;-)
Riker's that lovable smartass you love to have on your side when ish goes down.
Picard: "Say my name."
Sheliak: "Picard of the Enterprise."
Picard: "YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT."
Waylander No, pay attention next time. He said, “You’re FUCKING right, I did!” I hate when people change what was actually said.
Mr. W "i love data" warf
@@wellesradio WTF you talking about? He has the quote correct.
th-cam.com/video/S9RVS8cjNN0/w-d-xo.html
"You're goddamned right"
So let's look at this from the Sheliaks' perspective:
Option one: Ignore the terms of the treaty and give Picard three weeks as per his request.
Option two: Abide the terms of the treaty and give Picard _six months_ as per his request.
Option three: Abide the terms of the treaty, nullify the treaty, and lose our claim on the planet altogether.
lazyperfectionist1 Tup pretty much. And it would actually be longer than six months. Six months until the Grizellas wake up. Then there's travel and arbitration time tacked on.
Picard had to learn contract law, and that became far more effective than violence!
You dont know if the consequences of nullifying the treaty were an acceptable alternative to the Sheliak.
@@bathrat They seemed to react pretty fast when threatened with it. I'd say they didn't think it acceptable.
@@bathrat Any species that's so Lawful Anal would consider violating a treaty to be massively taboo. Picard had them fair and square, they either had to accept arbitration, compromise, or be the ones to break the treaty.
That "Thank You" by Picard at the end is so damn satisfying.
As others have said what really makes this scene is Riker's reactions. There's nothing like a good #2 (or Number One in his case) to tie everything together, both in storytelling terms, but also leadership terms. In real life in a situation like this, while everyone is fixated on the Captain, they would also be stealing glances at the second in command to take in his/her reaction. Riker's little smiles and head movements would signal to the rest of the crew that "no, Picard isn't gonna get us into an intergalactic war he's got something up his sleeve. I don't know what it is, but we'll know soon enough and it's gonna be damned good."
Citing sections of a treaty has probably only rarely been this cool.
"Captain they are hailing us."
(Walks over to the plaque) This damn dust is just unacceptable.
+Life in the 413 A boss if ever I saw one.
Total boss.
"You enjoyed that." "You damned right."
We all enjoyed that.
What makes it better is that you realize that there is no dust :P (ship cleans itself n shit)
Exactly.
What makes the scene better is that Patrick Stewart adlibbed the plaque part. He was just supposed to stroll over to it look at then walk back but he added the flourish of the checking for dust during the take and they loved it so they kept it in.
Kirk: master of women and hammy acting
Sisko: master of war and multitasking
Janeway: master of survival and first contact
Picard: master of diplomacy and loophole exploitation
Archer: master of water polo and PTSD.
Wouldn't *Janeway* be "Mistress of survival and first contact" ???
@@EarlJohn61 and coffee
Technically Kirk's first skill and Picard's second skill are the same thing.
@@TheRealTerranMarine then Picard needs to add "Tea; Earl Grey" to his list!
The first time I saw this I lost it when he started walking toward the plaque.
night hal 1 I don't know what it is exactly or where it's from, but there's a short clip(practically a meme by now), of a bunch of young black men hootin' and hollerin' like somebody's about to be ripped a new one. After reading your post, that's what came to mind, picturing that clip playing as Piccard paced😀.
Until it became obvious he was walking to the plaque, I was really hoping he was going to the replicator for a cup of tea.
night hal 1 1,2,3,4, make them sweat outside the door,. 5,6,7,8, it always pays to make them wait.
A plaque with a few dust. In an spaceship. In Piccard's mine: i need mr. Crusher Cleanup this inmediatly.
The best part: Pattick Stewart ad-libbed that bit.
Star Trek had iPads before there were iPads.
Very likely, star trek *inspired* iPads.
A fair few pieces of modern tech exist because someone with know-how watched star trek and thought "well that looks neat and also probably marketable"
long before apple thought of them, microsoft had handheld pads with big screens.
@@danieljames1868 Very true. The CEO of Motorola in the late 60s and early 70s came up with the idea of a manual-switchboard-free wireless phone network after seeing the communicators used on the original series. Star Trek is literally the reason cell phones exist.
You don't have to be some kind of genius to see that a glorified calculator could become small enough to easily operate with 2 hands
I like how they still treat them like hard copies, passing them around like stacks of paper
Picard’s admission of enjoyment at his bad-ass “space hang-up” makes it all the more awesome.
I love how Picard signals to Worf like "Cut this bitch off!"...especially since the Sheliak did the same thing earlier in the episose.
The Sheliak hung up on them twice - once on hailing frequency from orbit and again by being unceremoniously teleported back to the bridge of the Enterprise from an in-face meeting. The buildup really pays off here!
and that ladies and gentlemen is how to kick ass without lifting a finger. way to go Picard
Like I said in my own comment, Picard essentially said politely, "Either give me my three weeks, or take this treaty, cramp it up whatever orifice your people use as an ass and wait six months. Either way I get what I want."
Exactly :)
Amen! Anyone can throw a punch but to pwn someone with your words...that is the sign of a true baus! :D
Tanner Black
Well, it could be said that he figuratively lifted a finger...the middle one.
Oh, he lifted a finger...the one it took to check the dust on the Enterprise plaque! :D
Picard epitomises "speak softly and carry a big stick".
That sounds a little more Elim Garak than Jean Luc Picard :)
Doubting Thomas More like speak softly and have the kahonas the size of grapefruits."
@@inusberard5848 and make sure they're made of solid neutronium
@@doubtingthomas6146 Garak would have talked his way on their ship, snuck a bomb in their engine room, get caught, feign defeat and their captain and most of their officers suddenly drop dead which would have been the goal all along. More like The Prince, written by Machiavelli
You'll have to ask Vash about his big stick.
This is the point where Picard started to become human and the viewers began to really care abou him. He showed humor, great strategy, and just saying 'you're damned right' shows he really was enjoying himself and not just a monochrome figurehead.
Watching Picard walk down the bridge ramp trying to keep the smirk off his face is priceless.
I need Picard by my side when I ask for a raise at work.
+jakep1979 We ALL need Picard at our side for any negotiation. Man...imagine him on a union!
+Inus Berard I won't be suprised if he is also a hell of a lawyer. If i kill a guy, i want him to be my lawyer lol!
Panta Gorian
"My client is guilty of being innocent." Picard would confuse the judge and jury long enough to make them doubt themselves. Hung jury or not guilty verdict coming up methinks.
Inus Berard He will even make the judge himself believe that the prisontime will be given to himself. (the judge)
Panta Gorian
"Will the plaintiff please rise." lol
That's the kind of recorded conversation federation admirals would listen to at casual parties for a good laugh. Great scene!
linkeffect82 And show in diplomacy classes. "And that class is how to be LIKE A BOSS!"
Required viewing in the Academy, under the heading 'How To Deal With The Shelliac".
If 2:26 was a century earlier: "It will take 15 years and a research team of 100..."
"Mr Scott, do what you can!"
"Aye, Sir! I'll have that bloody thing running in an hour."
Nah, Scotty would always multiply by a factor of 4. So he'll spec 60 years and still look like a miracle worker.
Wells306 damn right he would he says so himself when he is on TNG. If you tell people how long it will really take no one will call you a miracle worker
@@Wells306 I loved when scotty ask jordi the actual repair time in the episode he is rescued 😁
@@---nu4ed Mr. La Forge, I believe we will postpone.
Thought "bloody" was more English than Scottish, so didn't use that term often.
I never caught this before but Deanna's "for the love of God" look on her face when Worf says fighting would be preferable was hilarious. She even rolls her eyes.
One of my favorite scenes that makes Star Trek stand out from other sci fi. You don’t need an epic blaster fight or ships lobbing fire at one abother to make the resolution to a conflict satisfying and interesting. Just really confident negotiations
Everything went into negotiations to teach peaceful solutions then. Then people started attacking the federation.
DS9 was famous for ship-to-ship battles, I couldn't believe how many we got.
You say that, and it's certainly true. Though Babylon 5 certainly ended the Shadow War with a philosophical debate and victory. True that final encounter involves not one but two planet killers, multiple nukes, and whole fleets of warships.
This is why Picard is awesome.
Calling Picard a hell of a diplomat is like saying the Pacfic is a little damp. Picard is what a diplomat wishes they could be.
In one of the more boring alternate futures (All Good Things), he becomes one of their greatest ambassadors. Fortunately, Kirk sets him straight in his very last speech that their true calling is forever Making A Difference on the Enterprise.
Just know that ambassadors and diplomats that created the treaty's "Pursuant 2, Paragraph 1290 and furthermore Pursuant 2, subsection D-3", Picard would not have been able to bend the Sheliak to his will.
I think you're confused about what "pursuant to" means...
@@curtisberard2632 Picard isn't a good diplomat. The other captains are better except for the Discovery lot.
0:44 That look on Riker's face just screams 'This is gonna be good.'
Tanall "You enjoyed that." "You're damned right."
Loren Helgeson "Say My Name!"
More like Who's your Daddy
Tanall ‘
And how Captain Picard made the Sheliak wait before having Worf open the channel to get their response
Brutal
That dust was unacceptable.. those Sheliak can wait.
Right??
Ship's been slacking off it seems as it is "self-cleaning" after all. Damned lazy Galaxy class!
Picard runs a tight ship, you know someone got chewed out for that.
@@RagicaltheUnhallowedKnight Must have been made in China....
dominic labriola - should of pulled his dust buster out from his chair and cleaned abit before recontacting the sheliak lol
One of my favorite jokes in the whole show is in this episode. Geordi is testing the transporter and thinks he finally has a breakthrough, and then doesn't. Picard walks in right as the test fails, says nothing, and IMMEDIATELY flips around and walks out, like "oookay I'll come back later". I laughed my ass off seeing that for the first time.
Awesome Fish.
Riker: “You enjoyed that?!”
Picard: “You’re damn right!”
😂😂😂
Imagine if Patrick Stewart played Walter White. That’d be gold
2:22 LAFORGE: Captain, we can do it. We can modify the transporters. PICARD: Excellent. LAFORGE: It'll take fifteen years, and a research team of a hundred. lol
Surprisingly sarcastic comment to give to your captain.
So that will be 2 months with a team of 10,000?
To be fair, Picard told him he doesn't want to hear "No" for an answer again and find a way. LaForge did that.
People don't get it. Lafarge doesn't want to disappoint Picard.
Picard was fantastic! But I feel LaForge stole the show at the moment.
This episode taught me the word "Abeyance"
I love how Picard slams the Sheliak with their own treaty. Basically he's saying, "Either give me my three weeks or you can take this treaty, cram if up whatever orifice your people use for an ass, and wait six months."
...or break the treaty in toto and lose any claim to the planet at all (along with a myriad OTHER problems that arise from the loss of the treaty)
I find it unlike ly the Sheliak would agree to that paragraph as written;
Surely they would want both sides to _agree on_ the arbitrating party instead of letting one side or the other just choose who.
@@TheNoiseySpectator This is the kind of shit that happens when you don't READ what you're signing.
@@GuukanKitsune Kind of like an adage ny friend tries to live by. "Never agree to something unlesd you know EXACTLY what you're agreeing to."
😂😂😂😂😂
The amount of joy I get of seeing Picard win at any sort of diplomacy or negotiation is just crazy
1:10 "... Absurd. We carry the membership. We can 'brook' no delay..."
[ BROOK | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
brook meaning:
1 . a small stream:
2. to not allow or accept something, especially a difference of opinion or intention. As a verb, brook is a rather stuffy word for "put up with." The lord of the manor might say, "I will brook no trespassing on my land." ]
Did y'all catch that?
Yes, nice catch, Tommy. 👍
Wesley:"He asks the impossible!"
Geordi:"Well, that's the short definition of captain."
This is what puts Picard leagues above Captain Kirk IMO; such snarky behavior expertly masked by discipline and nobility.
The actor is an Englishman.
The character is French.
That's what one'd expect from him.
_
Kirk is still the most enjoyable Captain of Trek.
Kirk would have banged all the babes on Risa. He's tops in my book.
Well... different, but in a very good way.
Kirk may have been a right proper Captain for the era of the late '60s -- um, I mean, 1312.4. (Space Western, and all that.) Picard gave us a look at what humanity could become, having advanced another 3/4 century.
Well put
*Kirk* was a "frontier" captain... Searching for new civilizations on the edge of known space. His mission was always on the edge of the Federation's influence or further out.
*Picard* was a "diplomatic" captain... Filling in the holes the frontier captains (both past & present) had missed. His mission had the full weight of the Federation available at reasonable reaction rates.
I loved this scene from the first time I watched it! It starts out very good when Picard names the arbitration race, then gets even better from there. Riker and Troi's reactions are priceless. Riker is barely containing his laughter. And the way Troi looks like she's panicking when Picard wipes the dust from the plaque?-Priceless!
That stunned look on Deanna's face as Picard makes the freakin Sheliak wait on HIM for once is priceless. The chair beside her is reserved for a man among men! :P
Geordi marched in ready to give the speech of his life about how Starfleet always expects miracles from its engineers and Picard shot him straight down.
The lawyer in me loves this scene.
I hope you're charging him quintuple his own hourly rate.
sudburylawyer, the episode was written by a former lawyer.
But have you seen Boston Legal?
GrijzePilion: Boston Legal was the shiznit! i don't usually go for law shows but that one was really good, great cast, great writing well done show,
dispatcher7007 Why?
I love the look as he walks down... 'I have these idiots and they don't even know it..."
yeah that smirk said, "I'm about to whip their ass."
"Captain, when the treaty was first negotiated, the Federation sent 372 legal experts. What do we have?"
...Your boss, Counselor. Watch and be amazed.
What do we have....we have Jean-Luc Freakin' Picard!
+Jamie Stewart Truly the kahonas the size of grapefruits.
To be fair, that section was only in there because of one of those 372 legal experts. So they did their job, quite well actually.
What an optimistic message for the future where they depict lawyers as being actually useful.
+Adam G: Lawyers are usefull, as long as there is another party to use them against. I do not see how the future or interspecies relations would be different.
Riker silently smiling wider and wider is amazing.
This is brilliant and one reason why Picard is one of the top handful of TV characters ever created.
"At which time, we can get this matter settled" (troll smile)
Riker: "You enjoyed that."
Picard: "You're damned right!"
CAPTAIN JEAN-LUC PICARD FTW! XD
Perhaps my favorite Picard moment.
True this one of Picard's greatest moment... yet my favorite is when that Admiral is order Data to hand over his daughter and Picards tells him no and says, 'Order a man to handover his child to the state not while I'm his captain'.
One of the best for sure. I also like when he asks the Klingons for a cloaked ship.
A master class in malicious compliance. THIS is how you defeat a lawful evil enemy. 😆
As a child this was confusing, as adult in the legal field it’s so satisfying
Using The Book to beat someone over the head.
"You enjoyed that." "You're damned right!"
Moments like THAT cause people to fall in love with Star Trek. It's humor based entirely on the situation and the build up, and it's completely in character. It's hilarious in the context in which it's delivered, and it's even better when it's delivered by Sir Patrick Stewart.
"Now, Commander we shall investigate the question as to whether the Sheliak can sweat."
It's comical how fast the Sheliak haul ass on their ship just after Picard merely threatened to end the treaty. They spent the majority of the episode wasting time and practically flaunting it in his face.
Technically he wasn't ENDING the treaty per se, he was actually more suspending it. That's essentially what "in abayance(sp?)" means.
curtis Berard abeyance, it's fittingly old French word. Still, a suspension could lead to a permanent end to a treaty. His annoying counterparts clearly did not want to risk that.
I wonder how the other captains would have handled this.
Kirk probably would've gone in guns blazing. But Kirk's diplomacy was always at the end of a phaser.
curtis Berard Sisko probably end up doing what Picard did but much more blunt and way faster. He would not be patient, which would be best in this situation.
Archer... umm... heh He'd probably give up and ask T'Pol
Janeway, god help us.
Sulu, not sure what he'd do.
+ V Guyver If we're talking Prime Sulu, I dunno. Probably pull out a rapier and ask to beam aboard to settle this man-to-man.
If we're talking Kelvin timeline Sulu, he'd pull off one heck of a bluff. This IS the guy who managed to get Khan to surrender to Kirk.
1:31 , that moment when your ex tries to call you.
ims0deranged hahahaha! Yeah!
legendary comment
Time to check that dust...
This is the Picard we want in the Picard series!
I like how Ryker is laughing all the time ^^
i feel like he is always laughing. and honestly i am not sure if he is laughing in character or out of character.
+thewewguy8t88 Probably both. Lol.
Who's Ryker?
"It will take 15 years and a team of 100 researchers."
"You have 3 weeks."
Jean-Luc "The" Picard.
...I see what you did there... You Mintakan, you....
This is why I like Picard.
He got his. He won.
And he was gracious in victory.
"Thank you" and a polite bow.
He had made hs point. No need to be rude.
'Fighting would be preferable' - Says the guy for whom fighting is always preferable to anything.
And somewhere, in the back of Picard's consciousness, the essence of Sarek smiled.
I believe this episode happened long before Picard's mind meld with Spock's father. But, I could be wrong.
This episode was long before that one.
Word of this got back to the rest of the Federation; well, Sarek may not have smiled, but he would have raised an eyebrow out of respect for Picard using logic to win the day.
This is full proof why lawful neutral is the best alignment in fiction
Teemu M.
simplistic and easy to find a way out. It is literally the most over done alignment is fiction
Pretty sure that the crew of the Enterprise qualifies as Lawful Good, not Neutral. The crew of DS9 qualified as Lawful Neutral (Sisko for example). I love Star Trek. My absolute favorite series. I'd say Chaotic Good is the most entertaining. Definitely not overdone! We don't get enough of it!
+The Silver Rook Captain Picard leaves an entire species to die because of the prime directive. Lawful Neutral.
+The Silver Rook Ryker is chaotic good. He cares less about rules and more about doing the right thing.
@@DarthObscurity Ryker is Neutral Good. Chaotic characters don't like law and that's not true with Ryker. Ryker just does good above law, unlike a lawful neutral or a lawful good character (Though actually it's a classic dilemma for a lawful good person to be faced with "Law or Good" that I like a lot.)
Considering above, I do agree with the idea that chaotic good is overdone in D&D where Alignment comes from. I don't think it's overdone in general media.
"This is hopeless. Fighting would be preferable." My favorite Worf lines ever.
...or "How Picard found a loophole in the contract."
2:26 Favorite LaForge moment! 🛠💛
Thanks for posting!
Growing up I think this scene was my first lesson in "malicious compliance".
This was when audiences realized Picard had changed for the better after season 2
Ownage. pure and simple.
Anyone actually read the section of the treaty that Picard picked out on screen at 00:10? "Yes, we can do search-and replace. Come to think of it, that's what the Shelliac want to do with the colony on the planet. This section deals with the right of each party to confer with the other in the event something screwy happens with the treaty. This may take the form of normal IM spectral communication, subspace IM communication, face-to-face meetings, telephone tag, messages in bottles, or any other water-tight form of inclosure, gossip, half-truths, outright lies, or face-to-face meetings." With a bit of technical jargon at the end.
And THIS is why J.J. Abrams is physically incapable of getting it. ST fans LOOK for this shit with proverbial tweezers ... or cackle madly when a fellow fan finds it first, as I am doing now.
I take it you read that from some high definition version of the show like a DVD/Bluray release or something, because the quality here is not high enough to read what's there.
This is a picture from memory-alpha the reference is in section 33406: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Treaty_of_Armens?file=Treaty_of_Armens_2.jpg
There is anime references in there. Thats hilarious!
opps. i mean at least its not as bad as the code data gives in brothers there were actually mistakes in the code on the screen...
I allways admired the way the tng crew works as a team and solves challenges together
Picard just owned the Sheliak like annoying telemarketers.
Sheliak: *ring ring*
Picard: *dusts the Enterprise plaque* "Hmm, when was the last time this was cleaned..."
Sheliak: *ring ring*
Picard: . . .
Sheliak: *ring ring ring*
Picard: "Yes, thank you. Don't call again."
Sheliak: *gets the fekk outta there*
One of my favorite scenes in all of Star Trek, let alone TNG.
my favourite scene in anything ever, hands down.
Pretty much same. I've watched this scene I don't know how many times.
Lol... Great scene for sure
between this and the one where they have the cloaked klingon ships as backup against the romulans... fantastic strategic scenes
Picard has the highest unarmed attack power of any Starfleet captain.
Sisko hits harder. But he has to pull the trigger to do it.
Troi: "I don't follow you sir" then she walks in the opposite direction.
2:13 Rikers smirk and enjoyment is so relateable
Has anybody noticed Worf nodding his head in approval with a slight smile at 0:58...?
Jean-Luc did this quite frequently; outmaneuvering his opponents with such clever wordplay and/or trickery. If there was ever a way to come out on top without firing a shot, you could bet on him finding it. Every StarFleet Captain had his/her own merits, and this was his!
Agreed! Like when he could only get a Klingon junior adjutant to respond to a communication.
Although he did have a, shall we say "more old-fashioned" way of "negotiating" with the terrorist who shot Worf on the bridge. Quite the shock to see Picard the Negotiator deal this terrorist some closed-fisted diplomacy. (Of course, he did get kidnapped for his efforts, so....)
Picard: "Thank you... But I now want 4 weeks due to you getting up in my face"
The way he walks over to the plaque, you just know Picard was hoping the Sheliak were capable of sweating so he could make them sweat it out for those seconds, ultimate power move
"You enjoyed that."
"You're damn right."
Prreeeettttty sur that was improvised by both actor.
Thanks like I didn't watch the video you fucking idiot.
Picard... The original Heisenberg. :P
Don’t piss Picard off or he might pull a stunt like this again and this time he’ll do it with the Enterprises full arsenal of weapons
"You're damnED right!"
That M. Bison throat slit to cut off the screen was ruthless. It’s like Picard was saying “Get these clowns of my screen Mr. Worf.”
Oh man! I was ROFL at this scene when this first showed on tv. It still cracks me up.
If my boss would be like captain Picard, I'd enjoy being at work :)
Lucy260 Never have to worry about things being dull.
I'd settle for a boss like Michael from The Office
If my boss were like Picard, I'd actually have to work 😁
@0:56, check out the smiles on Riker and Troi's faces 'cause they know their captain has the Sheliak by whatever passes for its balls.
TheMikeX74 Picard is politely saying, "Either give me my three weeks or you can take this treaty, cram it into whatever orifice your people use for an ass and wait six months. Either way I get what I want."
I love how LaForge goes all the way up to the bridge just so he can be a smartass right to Captain Picard's face.
la forge sounds like he inhaled helium before coming onto the bridge to deliver his lines.
Honestly this episode is one of my favorites. The A storyline is dramatic and tense while the B line (getting the transporters to work) is freaking hilarious
Well what is the A story? There are three storylines in service of the plot, Picard trying to get the Sheliak to get them more time, Geordi and Wes trying to get the Transporters to get through the radiation, and Data trying to convince the colonist to leave.