UPS has an extremely good relationship with their union, and crazy benefits for their employees. I used to work there before going off to college, and both the career path and the union benefits were surprisingly great
i agree, but it’s the only realistic way to do it. having new ones with air conditioning and old ones slowly get phased out is a lot easier than suddenly installing an air conditioner in every ups truck across the usa
Yeah there's no feasible option to retrofit every truck in the fleet with air conditioning. Like what do you want them to do cut a window unit into the side of the truck. As long as the new ones have AC it will work out eventually
I'm with you, but the feasibility of immediately upgrading all the old trucks isn't high. I hope there's some kind of established timeline for phasing out the old vehicles though.
Honestly, the Union probably only agreed because retrofitting old vehicles in the UPS fleet would have been expensive and old enough that it would have just been better ti slowly role out mordern vehicles instead.
This is how these disputes *_should_* go. The fact that the actor strike went on so long is entirely the fault of the AMPTP. If they had focused on coming up with solutions instead of focusing on union-busting tactics, it would've had a much better and faster resolution.
@@flakgun153You do realize that the strike actually succeeded because the union did in fact hold many cards? Including basically every actor working in Hollywood? It went the union’s way in spite of the suits bragging about how they’d leave the actors homeless.
@@johnathanrhoades7751 are you delusional? It was a massive failure that got them almost none of what they wanted. And the studios were more than happy to let the strike go even longer before the union threw in the towel
With the context I have this looks horribly uninformed. The video makes the negotiations look like they just went through but instead UPS laid off a ton of non union drivers and up until recently were completely adamant about not accepting the unions conditions. If the context of the video was true they could negotiate outside of a contract year and get their basic needs no problem.
Big corporations don't really care about making employees happy. They care about getting the most out of their employees for as little money as possible... But yes you're right, this is what a real negotiation is. Corporations are legally obligated to make the most profit for their shareholders and are not legally obligated to make their employees happy. So, without healthy, properly run unions that are capable of actually hitting corporation where it hurts, its profit margins, there is no way to make fairly compensating employees a priority.
$2.75 raise cost UPS 2.7 billion dollars a year. Which mean raise on shipping cost for packets. 1/4 of UPS profits for the year. Not sure most help $5 hour raise to parttimes will add up.
@@donw4889 It's a total myth that prices go up proportionally to the cost of labor. McDonalds in America is usually $7.25 to $8/hr. McDonalds in Denmark pays $22/hr. A BigMac in the US currently costs $5.35. In Denmark it's currently $5.30. That means that Denmark McDonalds pays almost three times what American McDonalds pays, and its BigMac is 5 cents cheaper.
@@eddiemarohl5789 "but instead UPS laid off a ton of non union drivers" And that's why you join the union, right there. Else you're way more expendable.
@@hokyosei Not really. Is that there job isn't that automated yet. Strikes in wal mart doesn't work because most their job is automated by computers and the folks are only there to move things from point A-B in a one block radius. UPS folks move our entire economy MILES and just two trucks going down can cause thousands of dollars in back log economic downturns. If all trucks go down it will cost the economy billions in white house money. Most strikes dont end like this. Using wallmart as an example where they fired everyone and easily hired a new crew within 48 hours while gaining money through the process.
Were you specifically hired as a non union worker, a supervisor/ manager that is excluded from union membership, or you opting not to be part of the union in a right to work state?
You know this means your tax dollars are now paying drivers $100,000+ per year. The cost of sending packages won't go up, the 80,000+ IRS agents will just go after YOU harder.
This is how most union contracts work here in Denmark. Of course both the union and company will show up with some slightly exaggerated goals and then compromise a little both ways... if the company can document that some specific issue would be too costly to keep the same number of employees, union would most often be willing to figure out a compromise. And vice versa, if your employees needs to work 2 jobs, how can you be sure that they perform their best at your company? Of course both company and employees need to survive. And especially delivery service is something that is still booming while retail is having a tough time given all the Internet shopping. It's not necessarily a high paying job, but I'd say there's good job security, even while some are talking about delivery by drone.
Won't work that way here, the unions in the us in many ways have more power over companies than the companies do in return, if you actually look at what happened it was an overall negative not positive for many employees. People really have no clue how things work and the complexity of these situations. Their pay is also very high compared to others and for the limited amount of knowledge and skill you need to so the job. It's why they don't hire many often and have further requirements for a chance to be selected.
Honestly, UPS workers are pretty diligent from what I've seen. This only furthers my respect for the UPS company and its Workers. Corporate or not they know how to properly negotiate with their workers and reach an agreement.
@@arbiter1 This is a TIGHT labor market (exclusing tech obviously), those workers could find work elsewhere easily. Also if your business fails because of a union you ran a pretty shit business that couldn't exist without properly compensating your employees.
@@onyxtay7246I legit just started pharmacy school last week after working in a pharmacy for about 6 years... I might start looking at my options now lol
@@laynepieri4214 It's always good for every worker if low salaries are raised, because eventually those who have jobs "above" said level need to also get more money. Keeping the lowest low makes it harder for the next to rise. Apart from it being a d*ck mindset to wanting to keep others down, because otherwise they might reach your level.
It always was for the lower class and for immigrants in America historically. And still is now to a extent, though not quite as much, hopefully this, and more funding will allow UPS to be a sort of point for people to get into the middle class.
I was always a fantastic job specifically because of the union. UPS was trying to hire mostly part time workers to avoid paying more, that's what the strike was about
I mean, I'd think any President would be surprised at an unexpected person making it past Secret Service and all the other security, press or not. "Who are you and how did you get in here without my approval?"
My friends mom would have loved that AC before she retired lol. She was almost 70 and I remember her always coming home in the UPS uniform and complaining about the heat, or just refusing to go to work on 100+degree days
@@MRMIKE276no, friend, no. The 100 days are now 110. Or even worse, tantric storms in desert areas. Did you see the catastrophe that hit California at the beginning of the year?
Its more like a Scandinavian union, sure they want more, but now they cant puch it to hard, and the employer want to give less, but know they cant resist to hard.
UPS has always treated employees better than FedEx, so I'm glad they are working with the union and not fighting the union. It's also why I always choose UPS if I have both options when ordering something.
@@CHAOS_ENGINE -- Are they? When did that happen? Can you cite a source for that information, because I am finding online that the CEOs are still two different people, and one company is based in Tennessee while the other is based in Georgia
@@CHAOS_ENGINE -- FedEx consolidated a bunch of smaller subsidiaries into one company, but those are still separate from UPS. Maybe in Alaska two local franchisees, one from each company, decided to merge because one of them switched companies. But for each company as a whole, I'm talking about the headquarters: One is in Georgia, and the other is in Tennessee. And searching online for "UPS and FedEx merger" only gets me articles about FedEx combining various FedEx divisions (air, ground, express, etc) under one FedEx group, nothing about joining forces with UPS. In fact, the articles say that combining of several FedEx divisions into one was a move that FedEx made to become more competitive **against** UPS. Now back in 2021 during some of the pandemic related worker shortages, there was announcement that those two companies plus Walmart, Home Depot, etc. were going to try to increase their workforces plus get people to work overtime shifts to help with bottleneck issues at shipping ports. But they were all still remaining as separate corporations.
They dont. Their shareholders forced them to sign because if the union went on strike UPS shareholders could lose tens of millions in the first few day
If they did that the workers wouldn't have needed to threaten the biggest strike in history. This is a story about the effectiveness of striking, not the compassion of the business
The maintenance cost rises and reliability sinks over time. So unless they're petty they won't put off buying new trucks. Companies don't buy new trucks for the sake of having new trucks, they buy them because it's cheaper to replace than to maintain at a certain point. Also newer trucks tend to be more efficient.
@ThePandafriend this is a rational way of looking at the problem And the funny thing is, companies are run by humans and they dont tend to be rational
@@fulcrum2951I'm a UPS driver. I had a really old truck that wouldn't go over 40 miles when it was near freezing. Everyone, even the mechanics, said that truck shouldn't be circulating, except the supervisors, who signed it off to keep circulating in spite of that because according to them, there weren't enough truck, even though there were a few rentals I could use while waiting for the truck to be fixed. It eventually got broken betond repair
I actually left the Indianapolis UPS warehouse due to poor conditions including poor pay compared to hours worked or available. There are still other issues that need addressing, but this seems like a step in the right direction.
I'm baffled that every truck doesn't have A/C. Even the cheapest rental moving van has A/C. It's a small price to pay to keep the economy from tanking.
@@naproupi Demanding that the studios cease any use of AI without permission by a writer/the union is just not going to happen. And then not being willing to compromise on any of their *other demands because "yOu NeEd Us BuT wE dOnT nEeD yOu!1!" is not a sound negotiation strategy.
@@AnonD38 it's funny because that wasn't one on the main demands, just the thing journalists chose to focus on to feed on the "ai steal jobs" Drama They asked for the outdated way writers pay works to be updated to modern standards like streaming, for the studios to stop tricking amateurs into writing for free with mini rooms and for better pay overall, ai was bought up, but a total ban on ai wasn't a deal breaker at all But sure sure they're so entitled to want to be paid for the least glorified crucial job in Hollywood. Studios literally never recognised them exept the last time they went on strike long enough. Also what's the studio excuse ? cost ? They're fine paying actors millions and special effects even more but if the guy who actually wrote the damn story ask for a decent percentage, not even that, just being paid well compared to the average salaryman, nah suddenly money's gone. They could easily let them get most of their demand the same way this video shows, but they do not want to because they don't respect them. And the fact that writers aren't respected in a supposely central place to art creation, should be worrying to everyone.
Yeah Hollywood writers are totally like UPS workers... Except that UPS provides a useful and critical service and their employees are actually good at their jobs.
I guess why some are worry is maybe some want to take it futher and vote no for it and it may go to a point where ups cant negotiate creating a deadlock (hypothetically)
@@izthistle6196yup. Last contract introduced a form of part time delivery driver that we call a 22.4, where they are part time in name only so they pay them less than a starting full-time driver but still have as much responsibility as said full-time driver. That's why they have to go through the contract to make sure they dont sneak in something like that
@@theseeker4249more because the video is misleading to reality ik a media company owned by a corporation that almost exclusively runs through UPS (considering volume) stretching reality to make it look better is sooo surprising.
I have a friend who is a union member and his father has been a UPS union member for 40 years. The main thing I heard from them that the workers were really mad about is that UPS has been intentionally not hiring new workers and forcing the current ones to work long over time hours and denying PTO request instead. The fees they pay for breaking the union contract is apparently lower than the pay to higher more drivers.
And meanwhile the union quietly collects the revenue from the fines, knowing full well that the fines are cheaper for the company than paying new staff. Unions can be great for workers, they can also be terrible for workers.
@@cxzact9204 they did threaten a strike over it, so I wouldn't say they were just going along with it. Plus that fine money is used to pay the workers who go on strike who need it.
Just so you know do you see how easy it was to increase pay by an extreme amount and they didn’t even act phased? Yeah the businesses have the money to pay living wages.
This is how these negotiations are actually supposed to go down. Good faith bargaining on both sides and small compromises that allow both sides to walk away happy.
Not entirely. When the pilot's union said they weren't gonna fly for them while the workers on the picket line they went back to the table considering the measures.
@@phantomchef2217 I don't watch the news so didn't know about it. But for the most part, yes, surprisingly well handled considering well how other airline companies would deal with unions and that sort of stuff
As a guy who has allot of friends who work for UPS, the fact that they have no AC is literally insane. You might not think it's a big deal, but some summer days it can reach well over 150 degress in that truck, and they have to go into the back of it and pick up heavy boxes in that god damn hot box. It's beyond, no no, WELL BEYOND, brutal.
im glad theyre trying to work this out. ive seen a lot of people talking about the issues leading up to this decision, i really hope theyre resolved and ups employees are able to work safely and efficiently.
Now lets see how expensive UPS gets for the consumer. Oh and now lets see how many layoffs happen. Lastly, what the ripple effect will be on the economy because of all this.
Honestly imo, it was UPS management making the demands, not the Union, and they fought way past the deadline because of it, and honestly, I feel the Union gave up.
@@AnonD38 I don't remember saying that in my comment. My comment never chose a side. Both sides make offers and both sides can refuse them, whether the offer is good or bad.
Good for them! As an Aviation Electronics technician with over 42 years of experience working on airplanes to make them safe flying in the air, I made half that! I need to quit my job take the two week training and go work for UPS!
A former operating systems engineer for Microsoft, Dave Plummer, said a while back: "I didn't find out until the UPS strike that year that the drivers were making more than I was" So at least in the mid 90s UPS was on strike but making more money yearly than Microsoft employees
Yeah, so here’s the thing. My dad works for one of the companies that makes the new vans. UPS is only putting them in new orders, which means every van out through like, 2025 or 2026 won’t have air conditioning.
I worked at a ups, the union didnt help me at all when i was injuried, i regularly would have to work next to people who collapsed from heatstroke, and a bunch of union memeber quit after the new minimum wage matched their "raises" and they realized they werent getting raises, just getting updates on their minimum wage job. The supervisors were all non union and the union leaders were all friends with the supervisors. Its great for the people who recoeve the benefits but most people dont actually get those benefits. A friend didnt beleive anything i said about it until they got a job as a supervisor there
I respect how the 2 actually worked together, were understanding of the others position/resources and were willing to be flexible. This is how you get things done in general. If you just threaten and are inflexible even if you get what you want you would’ve ended up creating a whole other issue being distain between bosses and workers where one sees the other as an unforgivable evil that should be dealt with harshly and only treated or thought of negatively or with envy while the other sees them as barbarous threats that can’t be reasoned with and therefore you shouldn’t give the mice a cookie unless they absolutely have to. A move like this shows the workers that the bosses aren’t monsters and are able to understand them and the bosses see that the workers are understanding and reasonable intern making a more positive work environment for everybody
"Current economic momentum" It costs over $8.00 to buy velveeta cheese less than a decade ago it costed like a dollar $8.00 increase for velveeta cheese
I’m in a union and no one wants to go on strike, but it is a very important bargaining chip and is one of the only tools we have to bring the corporations to the table. So personally I never blame the unions cause it’s the corporations that don’t want to negotiate.
Sure but look on the other foot. Why would companies and corporations want to negotiate. If you want to buy a car you want to walk in and say here’s 3k for the car even if the seller wants 5k. You don’t really want to negotiate and hope the seller takes your offer.
You can get a raise when you learn to deliver a package without: 1 stealing it, 2 breaking it, 3 pretending we are not in so you don't have to deliver it
I just laugh as a FedEx employee. I was already making more than UPS employees and when they did that we basically got everything they got (including the raise) without an increase in union fees(we aren’t union and still have better benefits and pay) Their strike did more for us than them.
I was part of the 97% that voted yes to the strike. 97% of 350k people were ready to strike. That's how bad things were. Not that they got much better.
And this should be in the definition of a monopoly. Without competition, there is less strength in the strike and employee power to attain satisfactory agreements.
UPS has an extremely good relationship with their union, and crazy benefits for their employees. I used to work there before going off to college, and both the career path and the union benefits were surprisingly great
Hmm might work a bit there if a need to find a job
If you're a driver, ya. Worked there for 3 years as a loader and there was so.e problems and uion gave zero shits about what they did to the loaders
This is not true for FedEx do not work at FedEx
Good to know.👍🏽
If I ever lose my current job I'm gonna have to try for UPS
Compromising on air conditioning isn’t great, but this is refreshing news after the writers strike.
i agree, but it’s the only realistic way to do it. having new ones with air conditioning and old ones slowly get phased out is a lot easier than suddenly installing an air conditioner in every ups truck across the usa
It sure is refreshing! Am I right?!
Yeah there's no feasible option to retrofit every truck in the fleet with air conditioning. Like what do you want them to do cut a window unit into the side of the truck. As long as the new ones have AC it will work out eventually
I'm with you, but the feasibility of immediately upgrading all the old trucks isn't high. I hope there's some kind of established timeline for phasing out the old vehicles though.
Honestly, the Union probably only agreed because retrofitting old vehicles in the UPS fleet would have been expensive and old enough that it would have just been better ti slowly role out mordern vehicles instead.
Aight, this is the best loop we're ever going to get. Humanity has peaked in social media creativeness.
"loop!"
Looks like shorts moved onto another video before you commented. There is no loop.
@@lunchbox1553their is a loop, loop
@@lunchbox1553the dude says loop before the video restarts/loops
@@happy_amoeba I did not see that
This is how these disputes *_should_* go.
The fact that the actor strike went on so long is entirely the fault of the AMPTP. If they had focused on coming up with solutions instead of focusing on union-busting tactics, it would've had a much better and faster resolution.
i also wanna point out theres a worse way remember the rail road worker strike where they made it against the law for them to strike
They had no reason to negotiate with the union becsuse they actually held all the cards themselves
You... You didn't keep up with how this story ended, did you?
@@flakgun153You do realize that the strike actually succeeded because the union did in fact hold many cards? Including basically every actor working in Hollywood? It went the union’s way in spite of the suits bragging about how they’d leave the actors homeless.
@@johnathanrhoades7751 are you delusional? It was a massive failure that got them almost none of what they wanted. And the studios were more than happy to let the strike go even longer before the union threw in the towel
Take notes people, this is what a real negotiation is for making your employee's happy and your company happy and successful.
With the context I have this looks horribly uninformed. The video makes the negotiations look like they just went through but instead UPS laid off a ton of non union drivers and up until recently were completely adamant about not accepting the unions conditions. If the context of the video was true they could negotiate outside of a contract year and get their basic needs no problem.
Big corporations don't really care about making employees happy. They care about getting the most out of their employees for as little money as possible...
But yes you're right, this is what a real negotiation is. Corporations are legally obligated to make the most profit for their shareholders and are not legally obligated to make their employees happy. So, without healthy, properly run unions that are capable of actually hitting corporation where it hurts, its profit margins, there is no way to make fairly compensating employees a priority.
$2.75 raise cost UPS 2.7 billion dollars a year. Which mean raise on shipping cost for packets. 1/4 of UPS profits for the year. Not sure most help $5 hour raise to parttimes will add up.
@@donw4889 It's a total myth that prices go up proportionally to the cost of labor. McDonalds in America is usually $7.25 to $8/hr. McDonalds in Denmark pays $22/hr. A BigMac in the US currently costs $5.35. In Denmark it's currently $5.30. That means that Denmark McDonalds pays almost three times what American McDonalds pays, and its BigMac is 5 cents cheaper.
@@eddiemarohl5789 "but instead UPS laid off a ton of non union drivers"
And that's why you join the union, right there. Else you're way more expendable.
Damn, a company that is actually willing to give concessions. A great example to all of how it could be.
The power of striking
and offer reasonable counter offers.
@@hokyosei Not really. Is that there job isn't that automated yet. Strikes in wal mart doesn't work because most their job is automated by computers and the folks are only there to move things from point A-B in a one block radius. UPS folks move our entire economy MILES and just two trucks going down can cause thousands of dollars in back log economic downturns. If all trucks go down it will cost the economy billions in white house money. Most strikes dont end like this. Using wallmart as an example where they fired everyone and easily hired a new crew within 48 hours while gaining money through the process.
@@hokyoseiNot in all cases, just look at the writer strike…
Damn, a trade union actually negotiating in good faith...
I like being so unaffected by the Hollywood strike that I forgot it was happening
Is it still happening?
Rip animators fr
How about stranger things seaion 5? Dumb show, but fun to binge
Nobody really cared about them, understandably
Yeah, like new movies aren't being made? Well still have plenty of old movies I haven't watched yet, or have watched but not in years
Company really did the Keanu Reeves move and said "Yeah, sure, Yeah, I'm gonna need a signature."
ok how tf is there no replies
As a non-Union UPS employee I wholeheartedly stand by any necessary means to get fair compensation for my partners.
And the thing is a lot of these benefits actually trickle down to non-union workers, so you also win
Were you specifically hired as a non union worker, a supervisor/ manager that is excluded from union membership, or you opting not to be part of the union in a right to work state?
@@OMartinez91Wow.
You know this means your tax dollars are now paying drivers $100,000+ per year. The cost of sending packages won't go up, the 80,000+ IRS agents will just go after YOU harder.
@@Hunty49 That's not how any of this work...
This is how most union contracts work here in Denmark.
Of course both the union and company will show up with some slightly exaggerated goals and then compromise a little both ways... if the company can document that some specific issue would be too costly to keep the same number of employees, union would most often be willing to figure out a compromise. And vice versa, if your employees needs to work 2 jobs, how can you be sure that they perform their best at your company?
Of course both company and employees need to survive.
And especially delivery service is something that is still booming while retail is having a tough time given all the Internet shopping. It's not necessarily a high paying job, but I'd say there's good job security, even while some are talking about delivery by drone.
Won't work that way here, the unions in the us in many ways have more power over companies than the companies do in return, if you actually look at what happened it was an overall negative not positive for many employees.
People really have no clue how things work and the complexity of these situations. Their pay is also very high compared to others and for the limited amount of knowledge and skill you need to so the job.
It's why they don't hire many often and have further requirements for a chance to be selected.
“Could have got more?”
UPS: “you’ll never know. Get back to work.”
Gotten
@@icarojose6316 get gotten
Honestly, UPS workers are pretty diligent from what I've seen.
This only furthers my respect for the UPS company and its Workers. Corporate or not they know how to properly negotiate with their workers and reach an agreement.
Maybe or they didn't want to pull a UAW/GM where they ran the company in to the ground and almost outta business.
@@arbiter1
This is a TIGHT labor market (exclusing tech obviously), those workers could find work elsewhere easily.
Also if your business fails because of a union you ran a pretty shit business that couldn't exist without properly compensating your employees.
If this goes through I'm quitting my job and working for UPS
lol
They may actually have better benefits than a medical career. It's tempting.
Start a union and get it done for yourself!
@@corbincavitt635 believe me I've been putting out feelers but no one is biting
@@onyxtay7246I legit just started pharmacy school last week after working in a pharmacy for about 6 years... I might start looking at my options now lol
@@laynepieri4214
It's always good for every worker if low salaries are raised, because eventually those who have jobs "above" said level need to also get more money.
Keeping the lowest low makes it harder for the next to rise.
Apart from it being a d*ck mindset to wanting to keep others down, because otherwise they might reach your level.
This actually sounds like a decent job now
Honesly though, i might apply now lol.
It always was for the lower class and for immigrants in America historically. And still is now to a extent, though not quite as much, hopefully this, and more funding will allow UPS to be a sort of point for people to get into the middle class.
It always was honestly. It's work but it's solid. I'd say apply if you need a good stable job.
@@coltonwilie2761 is ok everywhere except Arizona, keep in mind the lack of ANY ac
I was always a fantastic job specifically because of the union. UPS was trying to hire mostly part time workers to avoid paying more, that's what the strike was about
I can 100% see Biden reacting like that to an unexpected press visit lol
I mean, I'd think any President would be surprised at an unexpected person making it past Secret Service and all the other security, press or not. "Who are you and how did you get in here without my approval?"
@@TyphinHoofbun
or any regular person seeing some random stranger just walk into their home,
@@Reverend_SalemI walk into strangers homes all the time, can confirm
probably a lot less coherently though.
I can see Biden reacting like that to an expected press visit
Applying to UPS unironically.
After or before you saw this?
@@vidareklofvonrosen2442maybe after seeing it starts at 21 per hour?
@@vidareklofvonrosen2442 after seeing this. Nice to know some companies can put aside their greed when necessary
Same. I hope I get assigned a NEW truck 😍
As a UPS part time worker...the health insurance is amazing. I pay Zero per month. $10 copay for a doctor visit.
My friends mom would have loved that AC before she retired lol. She was almost 70 and I remember her always coming home in the UPS uniform and complaining about the heat, or just refusing to go to work on 100+degree days
AC 😮💨 we haven't attained that magic at the warehouse I work in. Still just half broken fans and anti union type energy.
Shhh, this year is the first year it's been 100+!! Everybody knows that
@@MRMIKE276no, friend, no. The 100 days are now 110. Or even worse, tantric storms in desert areas. Did you see the catastrophe that hit California at the beginning of the year?
I got scared i thought for a second you were talking in celsius
@@Cigmacica thankfully we're not sitting inside your average gaming PC.... yet
always polite to make the prez seem like he's actually
coherent
I'm just a highschooler thats not working and even im excited for them
As we all should be
This helped union employees, but ups turned around and screwed their office workers.
Isn’t it crazy what a well organized union can achieve?
And long term this doesn’t seem like a bad deal for ups either
Isn’t it crazy what making reasonable demands can achieve?
@@AnonD38 Isn't it crazy how coming to a compromise is the way to settle disputes, rather than relying on extremism/tribalism.
@@TheSteam02 Isn’t it crazy how workers are the biggest contributors to extremism/tribalism?
Its more like a Scandinavian union, sure they want more, but now they cant puch it to hard, and the employer want to give less, but know they cant resist to hard.
@@AnonD38are you hating on the workers?
UPS has always treated employees better than FedEx, so I'm glad they are working with the union and not fighting the union. It's also why I always choose UPS if I have both options when ordering something.
Oh, they're both owned by the same people now tho
@@CHAOS_ENGINE -- Are they? When did that happen? Can you cite a source for that information, because I am finding online that the CEOs are still two different people, and one company is based in Tennessee while the other is based in Georgia
@@TakenTook I was told by someone who was working there in 2020, there was a merger of some kind-- at least in Alaska
@@TakenTook Maybe a parent company
@@CHAOS_ENGINE -- FedEx consolidated a bunch of smaller subsidiaries into one company, but those are still separate from UPS. Maybe in Alaska two local franchisees, one from each company, decided to merge because one of them switched companies.
But for each company as a whole, I'm talking about the headquarters: One is in Georgia, and the other is in Tennessee.
And searching online for "UPS and FedEx merger" only gets me articles about FedEx combining various FedEx divisions (air, ground, express, etc) under one FedEx group, nothing about joining forces with UPS.
In fact, the articles say that combining of several FedEx divisions into one was a move that FedEx made to become more competitive **against** UPS.
Now back in 2021 during some of the pandemic related worker shortages, there was announcement that those two companies plus Walmart, Home Depot, etc. were going to try to increase their workforces plus get people to work overtime shifts to help with bottleneck issues at shipping ports. But they were all still remaining as separate corporations.
Just goes to show, unions work (when they actually represent their members)
And when they (and the executives of the company) actually want to cooperate.
Ups already makes more money than the other delivery companies. What are they bitching about. Drivers make like 40 and hour
@@hughjazz2408isn't the whole point of capitalism to try and make as much money as possible? Or is that only true for high level executives
@@hughjazz2408damn, weird that minimum pay was set at $25 since they all make $40 in your mind. Does reality often conflict with what’s in your head?
That Biden voice is kinda on point.
Kudos to UPS for actually caring about their employees, then again America goes to crap tbh if UPS unions striked
They don't. Sticking workers into trucks without air conditioning for 8+ hour long work days is quite the opposite of caring.
They dont. Their shareholders forced them to sign because if the union went on strike UPS shareholders could lose tens of millions in the first few day
if they cared about their workers they wouldn't need to strike to begin with
as a ups worker, no they don't.
If they did that the workers wouldn't have needed to threaten the biggest strike in history. This is a story about the effectiveness of striking, not the compassion of the business
This perfect loop changed my life
"I wasn't expecting it to get to this part"
"Seeing as the ups workers have negotiated their deal we will bust the train union and workers for wanting basic human rights."-Every president
I think UPS leaders realized who the pitchforks and torches would be aimed at if they didn't deliver (pun not intended).
UPS plotting how long it can put off buying new trucks just to avoid giving them A/C.
The maintenance cost rises and reliability sinks over time. So unless they're petty they won't put off buying new trucks.
Companies don't buy new trucks for the sake of having new trucks, they buy them because it's cheaper to replace than to maintain at a certain point. Also newer trucks tend to be more efficient.
@@ThePandafriend looking nervously at those 30 year old trucks still in service.
@ThePandafriend this is a rational way of looking at the problem
And the funny thing is, companies are run by humans and they dont tend to be rational
@@fulcrum2951I'm a UPS driver. I had a really old truck that wouldn't go over 40 miles when it was near freezing. Everyone, even the mechanics, said that truck shouldn't be circulating, except the supervisors, who signed it off to keep circulating in spite of that because according to them, there weren't enough truck, even though there were a few rentals I could use while waiting for the truck to be fixed. It eventually got broken betond repair
@@ThePandafriendin a perfect world but I still see trucks from the 90's it's very much a sunken cost fallacy.
I actually left the Indianapolis UPS warehouse due to poor conditions including poor pay compared to hours worked or available. There are still other issues that need addressing, but this seems like a step in the right direction.
I'm baffled that every truck doesn't have A/C. Even the cheapest rental moving van has A/C. It's a small price to pay to keep the economy from tanking.
I think the reasoning behind it is that UPS delivery trucks have open doors, which allow air to flow through naturally
Weirdly enough, when you make reasonable offers to your employees you don't have to deal with as much strikes, crasy I know.
Weirdly enough, when you make reasonable offers to your employer you don’t have to deal with as much striking, crasy I know
@@AnonD38 Yeah sure, the writers made such unreasonale demands, good thing the poor hollywood producers are holding their own against such bullying.
@@naproupi Demanding that the studios cease any use of AI without permission by a writer/the union is just not going to happen.
And then not being willing to compromise on any of their *other demands because "yOu NeEd Us BuT wE dOnT nEeD yOu!1!" is not a sound negotiation strategy.
@@AnonD38 it's funny because that wasn't one on the main demands, just the thing journalists chose to focus on to feed on the "ai steal jobs" Drama
They asked for the outdated way writers pay works to be updated to modern standards like streaming, for the studios to stop tricking amateurs into writing for free with mini rooms and for better pay overall, ai was bought up, but a total ban on ai wasn't a deal breaker at all
But sure sure they're so entitled to want to be paid for the least glorified crucial job in Hollywood.
Studios literally never recognised them exept the last time they went on strike long enough.
Also what's the studio excuse ? cost ? They're fine paying actors millions and special effects even more but if the guy who actually wrote the damn story ask for a decent percentage, not even that, just being paid well compared to the average salaryman, nah suddenly money's gone.
They could easily let them get most of their demand the same way this video shows, but they do not want to because they don't respect them. And the fact that writers aren't respected in a supposely central place to art creation, should be worrying to everyone.
@@naproupi
"it's funny because that wasn't one on the main demands"
But it was _among_ their demands.
Yeah Hollywood writers are totally like UPS workers... Except that UPS provides a useful and critical service and their employees are actually good at their jobs.
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@@Kia_Soullessyes it is wdym
“The negotiations were short,” - Obi-Wan Kenobi
So why are we worried about a strike? This is a great deal and it looks like UPS is agreeing to it, right?
I guess why some are worry is maybe some want to take it futher and vote no for it and it may go to a point where ups cant negotiate creating a deadlock (hypothetically)
@@nayemahmed1233 alright, thanks
@@nayemahmed1233yeah and it’s always good to look over the details. Sometimes you can get screwed over by the fine prints
@@izthistle6196yup. Last contract introduced a form of part time delivery driver that we call a 22.4, where they are part time in name only so they pay them less than a starting full-time driver but still have as much responsibility as said full-time driver. That's why they have to go through the contract to make sure they dont sneak in something like that
@@theseeker4249more because the video is misleading to reality ik a media company owned by a corporation that almost exclusively runs through UPS (considering volume) stretching reality to make it look better is sooo surprising.
Bro channeled Little Nicky with that Biden impression 😂
My FedEx guy was like “must be nice” because AC in vehicles, getting like a 3% bonus every 6 months, and being able to make like 40 an hour
Fedex Drivers, least the ones in my state ov vermont are paid by the day, not hourly
Just saying "loop!" is my new favorite way to loop a short
I have a friend who is a union member and his father has been a UPS union member for 40 years. The main thing I heard from them that the workers were really mad about is that UPS has been intentionally not hiring new workers and forcing the current ones to work long over time hours and denying PTO request instead. The fees they pay for breaking the union contract is apparently lower than the pay to higher more drivers.
And meanwhile the union quietly collects the revenue from the fines, knowing full well that the fines are cheaper for the company than paying new staff. Unions can be great for workers, they can also be terrible for workers.
@@cxzact9204 they did threaten a strike over it, so I wouldn't say they were just going along with it. Plus that fine money is used to pay the workers who go on strike who need it.
Just so you know do you see how easy it was to increase pay by an extreme amount and they didn’t even act phased? Yeah the businesses have the money to pay living wages.
This is how these negotiations are actually supposed to go down. Good faith bargaining on both sides and small compromises that allow both sides to walk away happy.
Surprisingly well handled UPS. Good work
Not entirely. When the pilot's union said they weren't gonna fly for them while the workers on the picket line they went back to the table considering the measures.
@@phantomchef2217 I don't watch the news so didn't know about it. But for the most part, yes, surprisingly well handled considering well how other airline companies would deal with unions and that sort of stuff
Please note, this sketch was made by a company owned by Jeff Bezos.
This isn’t how it happened at all, unfortunately.
You forget they laid off thousands and are looking into automation. Why else do you think it was so easy for them to increase wages
As a guy who has allot of friends who work for UPS, the fact that they have no AC is literally insane. You might not think it's a big deal, but some summer days it can reach well over 150 degress in that truck, and they have to go into the back of it and pick up heavy boxes in that god damn hot box. It's beyond, no no, WELL BEYOND, brutal.
actually calling "loop" cause he has nothing else to say is genius
You guys are killing it. 👍🏿
Absolutely agree 👍🏽
This guy is single-handedly keeping WaPo relevant
Let’s be realistic, Hollywood isn’t really a critical entity
Its a big portion of the economy. One of the USA’s 7 main exports
@@RusticRonnie as if somehow it couldn’t be replaced with something more useful/productive
These are the best. Reputable news in a succinct format
Knowing more about the situation really makes this short look like they purposely took certain things out of context.
Propaganda is made to be easy to consume.
@@eddiemarohl5789 That's because they did.
@teebob21 ik I've worked at ups before, and my pops has for around 35 years he was there for the last strike they had in 97.
Ever seen a union UPS pay rate? You’d be shocked at what they earn.
Wow! negotiation working!!
Fedex needs to do this as well. The conditions are unacceptable.
Fedex isn't a union though so it will never happen but you are right
@@heidro1005 I am incredibly aware.
@@heidro1005 that doesn't mean that they can't form a union.
@@clearrighttoknow4775 🤦♂️ you've clearly never worked for fedex
fedex should worry first on the work ethic of the delevery people, they are the worse
$21 USD an hour is crazy for a new part time employee, that's almost $30 CAD, hope we had unions like this in Canada
Oh yo this is actually sick, a legitimately civil negotiation
im glad theyre trying to work this out. ive seen a lot of people talking about the issues leading up to this decision, i really hope theyre resolved and ups employees are able to work safely and efficiently.
I can’t name one person effected by the writers strike 😂
Honestly I couldn't care less. Not like Hollywood has come out with anything worth watching recently
i can! and you can too, you just did when you said writers
Everyone should negotiate for himself.
Should ask how the railroad workers that went on strike feel about Biden
They don't care about the lower class . Just look at how they go after 500 dollar vemo transfer
Now lets see how expensive UPS gets for the consumer. Oh and now lets see how many layoffs happen. Lastly, what the ripple effect will be on the economy because of all this.
Honestly imo, it was UPS management making the demands, not the Union, and they fought way past the deadline because of it, and honestly, I feel the Union gave up.
It's crazy how well things work out when you actually try to work together, instead of being stuck up and refusing every offer made to you.
I mean up until last week that's what they were doing basically
You act like the workers never make unreasonable demands.
@@AnonD38 I don't remember saying that in my comment. My comment never chose a side. Both sides make offers and both sides can refuse them, whether the offer is good or bad.
As my dad’s bumper sticker said in the 80’s, “America works best when we say “UNION? YES!””
Yes!
I wish people listened to unions more
"Who are you?" Is a remarkably calm reaction from *the president* seeing a stranger in the OVAL OFFICE.
YOU ARE OWNED BY UNION DESTROYER JEFF BEZOS
Together we bargain, divided we comply ✊
completely unrealistic, Biden didn't stutter, wander off, or order ice-cream that whole time.
Good for them! As an Aviation Electronics technician with over 42 years of experience working on airplanes to make them safe flying in the air, I made half that! I need to quit my job take the two week training and go work for UPS!
Funniest thing about this is how they later layed off thousands of employees. Unions help!
A former operating systems engineer for Microsoft, Dave Plummer, said a while back:
"I didn't find out until the UPS strike that year that the drivers were making more than I was"
So at least in the mid 90s UPS was on strike but making more money yearly than Microsoft employees
Driver facing cameras are a great safety tool
No fucking way he compared a UPS strike to the band of losers in Hollywood.
Perfectly seamless loop, well done.
Yeah, so here’s the thing. My dad works for one of the companies that makes the new vans. UPS is only putting them in new orders, which means every van out through like, 2025 or 2026 won’t have air conditioning.
I worked at a ups, the union didnt help me at all when i was injuried, i regularly would have to work next to people who collapsed from heatstroke, and a bunch of union memeber quit after the new minimum wage matched their "raises" and they realized they werent getting raises, just getting updates on their minimum wage job.
The supervisors were all non union and the union leaders were all friends with the supervisors.
Its great for the people who recoeve the benefits but most people dont actually get those benefits. A friend didnt beleive anything i said about it until they got a job as a supervisor there
I respect how the 2 actually worked together, were understanding of the others position/resources and were willing to be flexible. This is how you get things done in general. If you just threaten and are inflexible even if you get what you want you would’ve ended up creating a whole other issue being distain between bosses and workers where one sees the other as an unforgivable evil that should be dealt with harshly and only treated or thought of negatively or with envy while the other sees them as barbarous threats that can’t be reasoned with and therefore you shouldn’t give the mice a cookie unless they absolutely have to. A move like this shows the workers that the bosses aren’t monsters and are able to understand them and the bosses see that the workers are understanding and reasonable intern making a more positive work environment for everybody
Never seen a negotiation go this smoothly.
How much has UPS Exective pay gone up since 2020, and how much has workers pay gone up?
Republicans hate this!!!!!
That reminded me more of Little Nicky than Biden 😂 but i still enjoyed it.
Omg look a company having common sense
i love the leafless trees in the window of the oval office
Ups just laid off thousands of employees
They get paid more than nurses
Of course I would see this a couple of years after I quit 😅🤦🏾♂️😂
My old man works for UPS and according to him it was by no means as smooth as that
that "i dont know" screamed owen wilson gj
"Current economic momentum"
It costs over $8.00 to buy velveeta cheese
less than a decade ago it costed like a dollar
$8.00 increase for velveeta cheese
Happy to say 6 months later the workers got a pretty favorable deal and now make pretty good money with good benefits
How many workers working for UPS died? Anyone. It's a company secret.
Plot Twist: He didn't have the authority to sign on those deals...
I’m in a union and no one wants to go on strike, but it is a very important bargaining chip and is one of the only tools we have to bring the corporations to the table. So personally I never blame the unions cause it’s the corporations that don’t want to negotiate.
Sure but look on the other foot. Why would companies and corporations want to negotiate. If you want to buy a car you want to walk in and say here’s 3k for the car even if the seller wants 5k. You don’t really want to negotiate and hope the seller takes your offer.
The Biden charachter wasnt convincing. He didnt fall down, wander off stage mid sentence, or change topics without making a point.
Unions are so Important. But its vilified by so many as a mini government. My brother in christ, You are the Union!
You can get a raise when you learn to deliver a package without: 1 stealing it, 2 breaking it, 3 pretending we are not in so you don't have to deliver it
I just laugh as a FedEx employee. I was already making more than UPS employees and when they did that we basically got everything they got (including the raise) without an increase in union fees(we aren’t union and still have better benefits and pay)
Their strike did more for us than them.
Don't forget that the raise the union just negotiated goes straight to their pocket lol
I was part of the 97% that voted yes to the strike. 97% of 350k people were ready to strike. That's how bad things were. Not that they got much better.
And this should be in the definition of a monopoly. Without competition, there is less strength in the strike and employee power to attain satisfactory agreements.
Now if only this was the standard across all industries