In the Zohar, there's a text about Eisheth Zenunim leading people to false salvation in a false heaven, stealing people's soul's/lives, which probably was the inspiration for her personality in SMTV, with all her bizarre talk of salvation while torturing people.
Fun fact: there's one story from jewish texts that say that after Able died Adam left Eve in sorrow and was then kidnapped by Lilith and was then assaulted by both her and Naahma. Nobody has found a follow up so it's unknown if he was ever saved. Now I propose we make an Asura's wrath game with Eve as the protagonist trying to save him.
Oh Agrat is definitely my favorite. To me she seemed like the less malicious of the Qadištu she could’ve killed the humans whose Magatsuhi she was harvesting if she felt like it but instead she went for a more tame solution making people sick to reduce the number of casualties. Her design, personality and her unique skill really caught my attention
This was a masterpiece, Tony. Probably the best researched video you've done. My wife and I listened to it in the car and were totally enraptured. Your skills as an editor and content creator continue to grow. Well done.
The Queen The Mother Instict personified, "Angel of Sacred Prostitution" XD But more seriously, the unwanted child who was corrupted even before her birth.
The cut to the black streamer the ignorant rhetoric accompanying it... sad. Atlus sucks for tht representation too; the braids the long nails, evident by the fact that some Japanese think black women are extremely promiscuous. Sad existence and perspective (yours)
It's definitely worth it. I'm only 20 hours in and I completed the OG game at release. I didn't fill my compendium in my first playthrough but I did get 87%. There's so much more added that it's absolutely worth buying again.
I like the story that after Abraham tried to sacrifice Isaac, Ishmael came back to them and they buried Abraham together, and never spoke about him again. Abraham kinda sucks.
The Qadistu were such an amazing addition to the story of SMT V Vengeance, they helped shake up the story in such an interesting way, not to mention their designs are absolutely sick as well. I have them all on the team because of how diverse and fun they are to build around, their lore helps you appreciate and love them more, such interesting characters that go hand and hand with each other.
Slight critique, In both Christianity/Catholocism The belief of lillith is attributed to jewish mythology and is not a belief we uphold as truth, or a topic that is really even discussed. To say God created a woman at the same time as man using the phrase mankind is a little speculative. My example, God created the Earth on the 3rd day, but what "belonged" to or "what is of" the earth. That was in later defined on the 5th and 6th day. In the same way, God created "mankind", as a defenition of the image of his creation, and explicily stating the creation of Adam and solely Adam. Eve was then created after Adam, when he could not find a companion out all the other creatures God created. Then God put Adam to rest and made Eve of his rib. Litteraly "of Adam". Then being created from Adam would subjugate Eve and "Woman" into the definition that is "mankind". Thought provoking stuff 👍
It depends on how much weight you put on the Bible and the syncretization of the Torah , Lilith appears in some translations in Isaiah 34 and she is written down as Lilit still. Its commonly understood that Lilit in Babylonian myth is the Semitic understanding of them seeing most other polytheistic deities and demons as solely demons in Jewish theology. Lilatu is the Babylonian Goddess, Lilit / Lilith will just be her name in Hebrew.
i never used the qadistu in my vengeance playthrough. agrat is probably my favorite design-wise. always had more of a preference towards the more human-like demon designs, but only because of how they feel less common.
7:46 this part has always made me blood boil, in the words of Marry Shelly “I was born benevolent and good, misery turned me into a fiend” isn’t YHWH supposed to be be forgiving and omnipotent? Cain did nothing wrong, he was set up for failu…..wait that’s pretty much every story in this mythology
Three mothers of Asmodeus and Eiseth. As well as Wives of Adam. Naamah: The Wife of Noah and mother of the nephilem Agrat: The Queen of Witches. Eisheth: The female embodiment of Sin.
Agrat bat Malat always said she was not trying to kill. But she wanted to fulfill her role in the rebellion. But She had the Highest Crit Chance of all the Demons. And that made her just OP.
Agrat's Design still feels weird to me. Like she has a lot of similarities with Ranni the Witch, too many to be a mere coincidence for me. I really like Lilith's Redesign, her Snake being present at the end of the chaos route feels truly ominous. I hope she and the other Qaditsu branch out into other games, it would be funny to see them as Persona's.
I love you man, but I think it’s about time you redo some of your first videos. A lot of years have past, so I’m sure you’ll be able to add more to those videos and still make it fresh and interesting! The iconic parts of SMT is what keeps me interested, these niche topics on side characters are fun to watch sometimes, but it feels like you’re picking apart the bottom of the barrel with each new upload now
Lilith pre-dates abrahamic religion fyi. She was one of the local major dieties when the Israelites invaded Canaan (modern day Palestine and Lebanon), so they adopted her and turned into a demon in their own stories.
Vengeance is certainly interesting. It really is a culmination of a lot of ideas and concepts that haven't been so effectively executed within the series proper (not persona) over the decades. The role of Lilith in the series is always interesting. I always looked at Lilith as an interloper because of SMT 1/3 and the general idea that Lucifer is mostly bad from the "old testament." Nocturne doesn't really hold back a type of narrative judgment, (while problematic for immersion, it's part of what makes Nocturne so epic,)when you choose TDE. However, with Yoko (essentially Lilith for my purposes here) and the backstory of the struggle between marduk and tiamat, i think this SMT title made the lilith role a sympathetic character that played a much more organic and realistic role in the social aspect of the plot than her other incarnations. They blended the idea of divinity in the bonds you create that was dabbled with rather ineffectively in DDS:AT and actually quite well regardless of other flaws in iv:a, with the option a more visceral and grim story like that of Nocturne. While not as much fun as i have had with previous entries, it's actually pretty solid narratively, and the soundtrack has some great tracks. Not as good as iv, but maybe ill change my mind over the years. I want to honestly admit, murdering the hunter association after Flynn shouts at them all to get the f*ck out of the way is about as epic as it gets. Hats off to Massacre Nanashi.
I really enjoy your lore analysis. These characters have so many contrasting stories, so these summary videos are really helpful. But damn, Lilith didn't have it fair at all. Forced to become a demon for rebelling and then being punished way harder than Adam and Eve. That's rough... Also really interesting about her hanging out with succubi a lot. ALSO WHOA the story of Agrat's origins had me hooked!
I really love certain details of lilith. If you knows about lilituh lore, she has cast a strong wind which make a giant tree fall. That's happened in the Mesopotamia lore
@@ghoulishgoober3122 Well the female body is the greatest work of art in the universe IRL, so it makes sense that he'd cite these designs in particular.
@@ltb1345 To be fair, yes I do like a good curvy body too, and regardless it is appreciating the effort an artist put into the work. At least to call them a masterclass is a bit much I feel
I wonder if these qadishtu kind of represent the ways humans fall from grace through there own action or the actions of others who are just trying to survive and do what they think is right.
this video was very well researched and done, but I feel like it is necessary to remind viewers that these mythological beings belong to fringe and or mystical sects of major religions, and that they are mostly figures of folklore, not religion. Christians, Jews and Muslims do not believe in Lilith or the Qadishtu
The Qadistu are amazing. In game, they really feel like a team. Agrat is a magic nuke, Eisheth is a tank, Lilith buffs, Namah uses status spells. Also they have amazing designs, they are more than some hot demon ladies (well, they definitely are) By the way Lilith's story is funny. People don't want to admit sacred texts can be flawed/inconsistent so they just make up stuff "Yeah actually Adam had a wife before Eve don't ask me how I know this"
Eisheth is actually my favorite, not only her design makes it clear that maybe, just maybe, a nice body isn't worth lusting for a demon, that sadistic smile is chilling and so is her way of killing the victim Not only that but she is the most challenging Qadistu, you either shut her down or she oneshots you or spreads many status effects, I'd argue she makes 90% of the difficulty in Lilith's boss battle. Plus once fused she has sky high strength, good vitality and agility and boosts the crit chance for every other Qadistu.
I smiss Lilith's OG Kaneko design. At least the current Lilith we got doesn't look like the one in SMTIV. I kinda wish I hadn't learned that the new design was full of actual holes in her body, and not a reverse fishnet-like design to see more skin.
I prefer Lilith, who was said to be red headed, so it fits for the game that she has pink hair, an offshoot of red. She bore the LILIN, or Lilim, my favorite cutie of SMT, even before she became the teen bombshell we know her as now. I am pretty happy that they did this in vengeance. I can't wait to see the ending. Thanks for sharing the lore!
@@superblanco444 this. Genuinely never expected act 3 to have a cutscene longer than pretty much the entirely of cutscenes in the OG SMTV. But man was it an entertaining and crazy cutscene.
@@KingOfhearts72No kidding. There were certain points during that cutscene where my impatient brain would suddenly jump to “can I finally save now? When can I save my progress?” It was really late at night when that cutscene happened for me. I was ready to turn the game off and go to bed.
In the Zohar, there's a text about Eisheth Zenunim leading people to false salvation in a false heaven, stealing people's soul's/lives, which probably was the inspiration for her personality in SMTV, with all her bizarre talk of salvation while torturing people.
Fun fact: there's one story from jewish texts that say that after Able died Adam left Eve in sorrow and was then kidnapped by Lilith and was then assaulted by both her and Naahma. Nobody has found a follow up so it's unknown if he was ever saved.
Now I propose we make an Asura's wrath game with Eve as the protagonist trying to save him.
Gender bent Dantes Inferno?
Sounds like an NTR doujin tbh
Stellar Blade
that soudns cool as hell!
@@andrewellisonlee more like gender bent Dante's Inferno with rage induced screaming and lots of punching
Babe get out of my good cave, a new Tony just dropped!
Glad people didn't forget about the loremaster himself 😎
M-I-L-Fs rule 💃
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Man, I Love Fiends
Oh Agrat is definitely my favorite. To me she seemed like the less malicious of the Qadištu she could’ve killed the humans whose Magatsuhi she was harvesting if she felt like it but instead she went for a more tame solution making people sick to reduce the number of casualties. Her design, personality and her unique skill really caught my attention
Ya and plus her Japanese dubbed voice is absolutely just 🤤
@@igiari_objection I kinda wish I could do far more damage using her tho… in Godborn Masakado has become a far more powerful option in Almighty crits
almost spat out my drink 4:08 wasn't expecting that 😂
Jump scare
This was a masterpiece, Tony. Probably the best researched video you've done. My wife and I listened to it in the car and were totally enraptured. Your skills as an editor and content creator continue to grow. Well done.
Oh wow thanks a lot! I'm happy my passions are leading me to betterment with creativity.
Also always happy to get a comment from 100servings lol
Eiseth lore here makes me mad we didn't had any interaction between her and Gabriel in the game, maybe in SMT VI
agrat is very cute. I like her design and her backstory is really sad, thanks tony for sharing about these 4
How dare Lilith have the audacity to... *Checks notes* Want to be treated as an equal.
Hooray for "gods" eternal seismic and misogyny 😅
Don't worry I guys, I can take Eisheth and Agrat by myself
In a fight, right?
Nah. I'd win
In a fight, RIGHT!!!
I'll take Namah then.
The Queen
The Mother
Instict personified,
"Angel of Sacred Prostitution" XD
But more seriously, the unwanted child who was corrupted even before her birth.
You know three out out of four of them are said to be the mother of Asmodeus. All four of them are also said to be wives of Adam.
Always happy to see more SMT lore in my mailbox! Agrat may be my new fave demon design out of the four now learning about the inspiration behind it.
Agrat deserved better! 😭
My favorite demon in Shin Megami Tensei V Vengeance has to be Agrat. I love her voice, design, and her magic.
Agrat is so cool. Lilith is also my faves among the qaditsu.
Hoping for a smt dx2 collab i want her
Best Qadistu.
the big three
and eisheth I guess
Eisheth deserves some love
Honest to god, Voracious Salvation is my favorite of their signatures, first skill I got that breached the 1000s in terms of damage, Eisheth rules
based faz
@@nore5888this. She has the perfect form
Eisheth is for... a different type of person 😏
LOL THE “DISRESPECT”
The cut to the black streamer the ignorant rhetoric accompanying it... sad. Atlus sucks for tht representation too; the braids the long nails, evident by the fact that some Japanese think black women are extremely promiscuous. Sad existence and perspective (yours)
I just learned that the locations in Tales of the Abyss are named after the Tree of Life. Thanks Tony4You
Yeah it’s really creative naming for each town. Now I wanna play that game again
After binging all your videos I was patiently waiting for this!
Always love people enjoy the backlog, thanks!
Ok, fine, you win.
I'll buy Vengeance.
I've done my job here 😏
It's definitely worth it. I'm only 20 hours in and I completed the OG game at release. I didn't fill my compendium in my first playthrough but I did get 87%. There's so much more added that it's absolutely worth buying again.
It's eaten up so much of my time. It fixed almost every complaint I had about the original.
@@sharkhammr It seemed like they truly listened to all of our bellyaching!
I like the story that after Abraham tried to sacrifice Isaac, Ishmael came back to them and they buried Abraham together, and never spoke about him again.
Abraham kinda sucks.
Abraham was a douchebag but Moses was much, much worse.
At the gym rn, this video couldn't have come out at a better time. I love working out while listening to SMT lore!
The brain is the strongest muscle 🙏
cant spoil the game for myself but gotta leave a like for big TONY
Thank you legend
"God is watching."
Better not watch too close or he might lose an eye. 😂
that's a nice argument mr. Tony4You. however, consider the following: if Agrat evil why cute?
Hmmmm, this is a good point. I will have my best men on the matter
The Qadistu were such an amazing addition to the story of SMT V Vengeance, they helped shake up the story in such an interesting way, not to mention their designs are absolutely sick as well.
I have them all on the team because of how diverse and fun they are to build around, their lore helps you appreciate and love them more, such interesting characters that go hand and hand with each other.
Slight critique, In both Christianity/Catholocism The belief of lillith is attributed to jewish mythology and is not a belief we uphold as truth, or a topic that is really even discussed. To say God created a woman at the same time as man using the phrase mankind is a little speculative. My example, God created the Earth on the 3rd day, but what "belonged" to or "what is of" the earth. That was in later defined on the 5th and 6th day. In the same way, God created "mankind", as a defenition of the image of his creation, and explicily stating the creation of Adam and solely Adam. Eve was then created after Adam, when he could not find a companion out all the other creatures God created. Then God put Adam to rest and made Eve of his rib. Litteraly "of Adam". Then being created from Adam would subjugate Eve and "Woman" into the definition that is "mankind".
Thought provoking stuff 👍
It depends on how much weight you put on the Bible and the syncretization of the Torah , Lilith appears in some translations in Isaiah 34 and she is written down as Lilit still. Its commonly understood that Lilit in Babylonian myth is the Semitic understanding of them seeing most other polytheistic deities and demons as solely demons in Jewish theology. Lilatu is the Babylonian Goddess, Lilit / Lilith will just be her name in Hebrew.
Yep, sounds pretty misogynistic either way. And also, bullshit.
i never used the qadistu in my vengeance playthrough. agrat is probably my favorite design-wise. always had more of a preference towards the more human-like demon designs, but only because of how they feel less common.
Agrat seems to be one of the most beloved new characters, and after researching her pretty deeply I can understand why
namaah enjoyer 🤜🤛
7:46 this part has always made me blood boil, in the words of Marry Shelly “I was born benevolent and good, misery turned me into a fiend” isn’t YHWH supposed to be be forgiving and omnipotent? Cain did nothing wrong, he was set up for failu…..wait that’s pretty much every story in this mythology
Agrat has such a cute design, it's hard to dislike her, and her backstory is quite the thing too
Three mothers of Asmodeus and Eiseth. As well as Wives of Adam.
Naamah: The Wife of Noah and mother of the nephilem
Agrat: The Queen of Witches.
Eisheth: The female embodiment of Sin.
Cain got punished with eternal homelessness 7:54
Agrat was the biggest mystery here for me. Thanks for another excellent vid.
i was hoping to see Tiamat mentioned, but otherwise great video as always
I love your videos!! I think they enhance the experience of playing SMT and Persona so much!! This one was really a banger, keep up the good work!!
yes finally a vid on them gals
Girlbosses stay winning
I love the new Lilith design so much, she can manipulate me and i have no problem with it.
Do not fall for her tricks brother, though I can't blame you too much
We must stay strong brothers 💪
Lilith always had a great design. Well, except in SMTIV.
I never noticed the holes. Now I can't unsee it. Or unhear it
Agrat my beloved
Loved this video!! 🙏 🙏 🙏
Im a bit late, but still better late then never. Another banger video tony
Agrat bat Malat always said she was not trying to kill. But she wanted to fulfill her role in the rebellion. But She had the Highest Crit Chance of all the Demons. And that made her just OP.
Eisheth’s design has to be my favorite out of the group. It’s so fun! Plus she has HUGE. Personality!
agrat 🔛🔝
Was going to wait to play SMT5V, but you convinced me by saying the Dark Mother Lilith is a prominent character!
I was waiting for this 😢
4:08 Not a Dr disrespect reference💀
Agrat's Design still feels weird to me. Like she has a lot of similarities with Ranni the Witch, too many to be a mere coincidence for me.
I really like Lilith's Redesign, her Snake being present at the end of the chaos route feels truly ominous. I hope she and the other Qaditsu branch out into other games, it would be funny to see them as Persona's.
I love you man, but I think it’s about time you redo some of your first videos. A lot of years have past, so I’m sure you’ll be able to add more to those videos and still make it fresh and interesting!
The iconic parts of SMT is what keeps me interested, these niche topics on side characters are fun to watch sometimes, but it feels like you’re picking apart the bottom of the barrel with each new upload now
Lilith pre-dates abrahamic religion fyi.
She was one of the local major dieties when the Israelites invaded Canaan (modern day Palestine and Lebanon), so they adopted her and turned into a demon in their own stories.
Vengeance is certainly interesting. It really is a culmination of a lot of ideas and concepts that haven't been so effectively executed within the series proper (not persona) over the decades.
The role of Lilith in the series is always interesting. I always looked at Lilith as an interloper because of SMT 1/3 and the general idea that Lucifer is mostly bad from the "old testament." Nocturne doesn't really hold back a type of narrative judgment, (while problematic for immersion, it's part of what makes Nocturne so epic,)when you choose TDE. However, with Yoko (essentially Lilith for my purposes here) and the backstory of the struggle between marduk and tiamat, i think this SMT title made the lilith role a sympathetic character that played a much more organic and realistic role in the social aspect of the plot than her other incarnations.
They blended the idea of divinity in the bonds you create that was dabbled with rather ineffectively in DDS:AT and actually quite well regardless of other flaws in iv:a, with the option a more visceral and grim story like that of Nocturne. While not as much fun as i have had with previous entries, it's actually pretty solid narratively, and the soundtrack has some great tracks. Not as good as iv, but maybe ill change my mind over the years.
I want to honestly admit, murdering the hunter association after Flynn shouts at them all to get the f*ck out of the way is about as epic as it gets. Hats off to Massacre Nanashi.
I really enjoy your lore analysis. These characters have so many contrasting stories, so these summary videos are really helpful. But damn, Lilith didn't have it fair at all. Forced to become a demon for rebelling and then being punished way harder than Adam and Eve. That's rough...
Also really interesting about her hanging out with succubi a lot.
ALSO WHOA the story of Agrat's origins had me hooked!
I really love certain details of lilith. If you knows about lilituh lore, she has cast a strong wind which make a giant tree fall. That's happened in the Mesopotamia lore
They are a masterclass of charactet design
I think SMT in general is a masterclass in design, no need to disregard the other good work and zero in on boobs and ass
@@ghoulishgoober3122 Well the female body is the greatest work of art in the universe IRL, so it makes sense that he'd cite these designs in particular.
@@ltb1345 To be fair, yes I do like a good curvy body too, and regardless it is appreciating the effort an artist put into the work. At least to call them a masterclass is a bit much I feel
I can fix them
Famous last words of MANY men
Admit it, that stereotypilcal witch hat makes it.
Wake up babes new tony4u video we eating good
Yay another episode from canadian loremaster, hee-ho
Canada takes home another W
I wonder if these qadishtu kind of represent the ways humans fall from grace through there own action or the actions of others who are just trying to survive and do what they think is right.
this video was very well researched and done, but I feel like it is necessary to remind viewers that these mythological beings belong to fringe and or mystical sects of major religions, and that they are mostly figures of folklore, not religion. Christians, Jews and Muslims do not believe in Lilith or the Qadishtu
16:30 source? Can't find the Egyptian sorcerer for the life of me.
I'm really on Agrat.
Have you done a video on satanael
I just passed Naamah but so far from the Vid, Agrat is my favorite. Lilith being second. I'm so looking forward to digging deeper into Vengeance!
The Qadistu are amazing.
In game, they really feel like a team. Agrat is a magic nuke, Eisheth is a tank, Lilith buffs, Namah uses status spells.
Also they have amazing designs, they are more than some hot demon ladies (well, they definitely are)
By the way Lilith's story is funny. People don't want to admit sacred texts can be flawed/inconsistent so they just make up stuff
"Yeah actually Adam had a wife before Eve don't ask me how I know this"
Eisheth enjoyers, we need to rise up 🤝🤝
agrat is my favorite cause i think her witch look is awesome and her queen's decree spell has saved me many time's.
It's cool to note how all of them were women who were mistreated and betrayed in an unfair sustem and sought to root out the injustice they suffered.
Eisheth is actually my favorite, not only her design makes it clear that maybe, just maybe, a nice body isn't worth lusting for a demon, that sadistic smile is chilling and so is her way of killing the victim
Not only that but she is the most challenging Qadistu, you either shut her down or she oneshots you or spreads many status effects, I'd argue she makes 90% of the difficulty in Lilith's boss battle. Plus once fused she has sky high strength, good vitality and agility and boosts the crit chance for every other Qadistu.
This channel needs for followers
TRUE!
Lmao yes more racist SMT incel followers
Never knew that “Lilith” isn’t her original name. Interesting that it is never mentioned what her original name was.
Turning up the meme factor T4Y
The Queen
The Mother
The Princess
The Sorceress
Oh bro this is crazy. I have epilepsy.
As much as I miss Lilith's pompadour, the new design's pretty great.
Ayo what is this 4:08 😂
When i saw lilith use mother earth i had an awakening
I smiss Lilith's OG Kaneko design. At least the current Lilith we got doesn't look like the one in SMTIV. I kinda wish I hadn't learned that the new design was full of actual holes in her body, and not a reverse fishnet-like design to see more skin.
My favorite is Agrat Bat Malat cuz she kinda reminds me of Marisa Kirisame and Agrat's tragic backstory was interested.
I'm sorry, but is this a reupload? I remember watching this some time back but now i find it uploaded a few hours ago.
the caddy stew
I prefer Lilith, who was said to be red headed, so it fits for the game that she has pink hair, an offshoot of red.
She bore the LILIN, or Lilim, my favorite cutie of SMT, even before she became the teen bombshell we know her as now.
I am pretty happy that they did this in vengeance. I can't wait to see the ending. Thanks for sharing the lore!
0:06 bro💀
I hope the Qadistu permanently stays in future SMT games like the four Archangels. I love these girls so much, I use them in my team 99% of the time.
4:06 You roasted him. XD
4:05 made me do a double take 😂
All 4 of them were fun and great antagonist. I just wish they were important in all 4 areas in Vengeance instead of 3.
@@superblanco444 this. Genuinely never expected act 3 to have a cutscene longer than pretty much the entirely of cutscenes in the OG SMTV. But man was it an entertaining and crazy cutscene.
@@KingOfhearts72No kidding. There were certain points during that cutscene where my impatient brain would suddenly jump to “can I finally save now? When can I save my progress?” It was really late at night when that cutscene happened for me. I was ready to turn the game off and go to bed.
Tony come back
Sooo with it coming up on spooky month.... How about a silent hill video 🤨👀
Eishesh for me, then agrat, then lillith.
The Bible needed an editor. We got a whole quartet of demon ladies when the author accidentally repated themselves.
Finally
*Unzips*
NO EISHETH GOT ANOTHER ONE 😭
So slan from berserk is likely lightly based on eiseth?
I would be interested in seeing this group expand with the other wives discarded in the bible.
They all seem pretty interesting
I'm not ashamed to say it:
Naamahs demon haunt animation when taking to her made me BUST.
Wait a minute, i haven't played SMTVV but if the added the new Lilith wb the original SMT Lilith is she also in the game?
No
I wonder what the journalists think of the SMT games
In SMT 5 Vengeance... thou art not maidenless!
I’m level 62 and they still fuck me up