Probably a good thing Mrs. Bennet didn’t find out this. She would have had a heart attack upon hearing that her daughter, who had already refused one proposal, had refused yet another one, and from an extremely wealthy and handsome man, no less.
In the book Mrs Bennet actually unfavours Mr. Darcy and calls him rude and says she wouldnt want him to marry one of the girls because he slighted the family and seemed too prideful. Right up until the last few chapters the mother still speaks ill of Mr Darcy
I love Lizzy's expression when she turns around at 5:22. It's like she just drops any pretence of being civil or trying to spare his feelings - like she's thinking "You want a fight, Darcy? Well, it is ON."
True... The fight was ON, and Darcy could only have wished he hadn't gone there, cause she pretty much dragged him thru the mud in the most brutal manner, with such force and pointed words, finally calling him "un-manly" in his demeamor and ways. He was practically emasculated in a matter of seconds. She pretty much left him with his guts torn to pieces. He couldn't have picked a worst fight... against the one he loves, a fight he was only destined to lose, in the most horrible manner.
Thank you for posting the whole scene. Darcy’s minute long silence as he tries to swallow the pumping heart that is in his throat before he can speak is what makes this scene one of the greatest performances OF ALL TIME
[8/7, 15:24] Brunella: Bene, bene, continua a studiare, i soldi sono per la vacanza, quando i genitori vanno in Sardegna, ti invito a cena qui al ristorante La Cava o dove vuoi tu anche con un tuo amico, io comunque ci sono ,pensa ai Co negli...ciao..ciao.. [8/7, 15:33] Marco Costi Bimbo: si certo nonna va bene [10/7, 21:39] Brunella: Ciao Marco, i genitori sono partiti e ora sulla nave...senti ti invito venerdì 12, a cena da Vittorino, ore 20, con imiei amici mazziniani che conosci in parte anche tu come i nonni di Antonio Ricci,che abita lì vicino...ti aspetto, se hai un amico per caso,porta anche lui...dammi la conferma, poi ci sentiamo, io sono a casa ..ciao..notte..[1/7, 17:04] Brunella: Ciao Paola, come stai ?l'operazione è andata bene, l'hai superata bene, stamani ho incontrato i tuoi genitori e ho chiesto notizie su di te, mi hanno raccontato che ora ti stai riprendendo con gradualità e con la riabilitazione....tantissimi auguri ,pazienza, e non mollare mai...ciao. ciao..baci... [9/7, 17:56] Paola Poletti: Grazie mille brunella [26/7, 09:16] Paola Poletti: Grazie , ho pazienza certo 👌
Darcy is insulting Elizabeth on every level yet in the same breath expects her to say yes to marrying him. Even if he was from high-borne lines & filthy rich, what an awful day upon day existence it would have been for her if indeed he remained unchanged in his arrogant (ignorant) mindset. Thankfully he managed to turn his attitude around & opened his eyes & heart before it was way too late for any possible reconciliation
Erica: but I feel that had she accepted - at any time now or in the future, at any quarrel he will bring up her lowly position and his regret at having married her The book ends with a happy marriage, but I doubt it will last long in harmony ...
Well, this is how it was described in the books! Darcy was nasty in this scene, for sure. And Lizzie raging. Remember, we are talking about early 1800s, people behaved even in these tense situations! The 2005 version is more "modern". It speaks to us, but I think it was, in fact, what we see here.
“The mode of your declaration merely spared me any concern I might have felt in refusing you, had you behaved in a more gentlemanlike manner.” *Ouch!!*
This is definitely the best version, I have watched this adaptation time and time again and never fail to enjoy it. It is the most faithful to the book which I think is the most important thing.
I remember this scene from 1995 with aplomb. Beautifully acted and magnificently despatched, two absolute impeccable characters, portrayed by two incredible actors.
Is it sad that I can recite this whole scene word for word? Probably. But I have adored and watch this version since it was first broadcast in 1995/96. It really is almost word for word the book brought to stunning life. Colin Firth was, and probably always will be, my favorite Darcy, and Jennifer Ehle my favorite Lizzie. That said though, I also really love the actors in the modern Lizzie Bennett Diaries version as well, who are in a solid second place behind Firth and Ehle.
Hey, I only used this series for months as my going to sleep pill. So, no, it's not bad. I can pretty much recall each coming scenery almost frame by frame ha ha
My response, if I were Elizabeth: "You do me great honor, sir. With my father's estate entailed away from the female line, my position is pitiable indeed. Though your manners are filled with contempt, I have no choice but to accept lest I should be turned out to starve in the hedgerow upon my father's estate passing to the next male heir. I accept your proposal, persuaded by your excellent condition in life and the fortunate alliance it would bring to me and my family."
Even though he ended your sisters engagement with the love of her life? Or would you attempt to fix that/him after marriage and just hope that would work out too. If it does not, youve married someone who thinks you and your loved ones beneath him. Otherwise you'd need to keep a rather large secret from your beloved sister, allthough Jane is sweet enough, she might forgive you anyway and understand.
4:12 love Darcy's facial reactions when he hears about Wickham. He's like "Seriously, that guy? Again? Why does he always have to show up at the worst moments to ruin my life?"
Droiture et dignité ! Elisabeth , qui est pauvre , est prête à renoncer à l'union avec le riche Darcy dont la mentalité est détestable . Elle a le courage de le repousser et de lui dire ses vérités . Scène sublime , admirablement jouée par Jennifer Ehle . Jean Linakis
Jane Austen, wonderful woman. Austen died a spinster. I don't think Mr Darcy is just a fictional character. Jane Austen modelled Mr Darcy on someone she loved, was enamored with. She carried, nourished emotions in her bosom, subdued emotions, love pain desire unfulfilled longing
That's because Jane Austen was an INTJ and she wrote Mr. Darcy as an INTJ. INTJs don't struggle with emotions externally like the 2005 showed. Our emotions are internal and we do not like to show them, we want to show that we are in control. It's supposed to sound rehearsed because we INTJs WILL rehearse the crap out of something important like this. Colin Firth NAILED Mr. Darcy as an INTJ, and to have him be portrayed as anything else is an injustice to Jane Austen and the character.
@emmers57 I can never picture ANYONE calling him anything but "Darcy". I mean, even Bingley, his best friend, calls him Darcy. (You could say they're just being formal but I'm pretty sure Darcy calls him Charles at least once.) His own parents probably called him Darcy as a baby, LOL. (With a name like Fitzwilliam, I don't blame him. What a mouthful! I suppose he could go by Fitz or Will, but he doesn't really seem like the nickname type.)
Notice the clock at 00:37 --It reads six: seventeen...then look at 4:38 the clock still reads six: seventeen a full four minutes of screen time has passed but the clock never moved!
This one is closer to the book, but I do love the added passion in the Matthew MacFayden version. Also, the two leads interact more in that version, which I like as well. I do not see MacFayden as timid in the film as you do. I see him as superior until he starts to feel for her, in which case he appears more careful in his dealings with her, more vulnerable. In this version, Jennifer Ehle does not seem that surprised and much too composed in her initial reaction to this proposal, which is supposed to come at such a shock. I do not eve get a sense that she is working hard to compose herself.
MarieMale - it's Olde England. She's supposed to be composed. Notice how she doesn't utter a sound while Darcy paces and squirms at the beginning of the scene. She let's him speak first. I saw the 2005 version. WAY too modern. Common English spoken, and they fight like a 21st century couple. Plus, they needed to make it take place in a rain storm for effect, outside, in dramatic setting, while this scene takes place inside, in a quiet room. Tension and drama comes purely from the brilliant acting.
@@pauldevito7476 That is a problem in the 2005 version. A woman from that time period wouldn't be yelling at a gentleman during a failed proposal. It would be seen as highly inappropriate or even hysterical behaviour that would make her and her family look bad. It's one reason why Mrs. Bennet and Lydia's behaviour so shames the family.
@@pauldevito7476 it's mentioned and stressed in the book that his proposal was such a shock to her, especially after having known what his cousin had told her, that it took her some time to be able to regain serenity before he was finished talking
Elizabeth Bennet was the daughter of a country gentleman and thus came from a privileged background. She would have been used to deference. Consequently, Darcy's frank comments would have really hit home hard.
Given her family situation and the social standards of the time, and while I know it worked out in the end, it seems rather unwise to have rejected him.
It was, of course. As obnoxious as Mr. Collins' proposal was, he was right that her small fortune would make future proposals unlikely. But Elizabeth was so committed to marrying for the right reasons that she was willing to forego all that Darcy could have done for her and her family.
Remember that at this moment she thought he was pretty much evil. Not to say that she wasn’t stubborn to begin with, but most reasonable people wouldn’t sell their lives to someone with supposed pathological tendencies, even for £10,000/year.
@judithpeligro5837 Longborn has an entail, and none of the Bennet sisters can be assured of a place in the house, or in any house. Mr Bennet has mishandled the family finances. Jane at this point is unlikely to marry Mr Bingley. Kitty and Mary don't seem to have any particular prospects. Lydia has married in a state of minor scandal, but Mr Wickham, even if he had been what he appeared, was not wealthy. At this point in the story, her entire family's futures looked to rest on her answer. This was not an era where it was easy to rise in social class.
I completley agree with you! Though Colin and Ehle did a fantastic job, I love Matthew and Keira. Matthew really made me fall in love with Mr. Darcy and he just had great command on the screen. Loved him!
What does it say, if comparism is mistaken for competition that often? Better, good, worse? Colin Firth gave us another a different Darcy than Matthew MacFadyen. Probably a tad more close to the interpretation of Laurence Olivier. I like Colin Firth a lot, but MacFadyen's Darcy touched me more. The chemistry with Keira Knightely was more passionate. The "non-kiss" at least as impressive as the "wet shirt" scene. When it comes to theatre, movies, books or music it's sometimes a question of taste.
The non-kiss goes completely against the book. Elizabeth was never subconsciously attracted to Darcy. Wickham was even a tad better looking than Darcy. Why would she, even without having fallen for Wickham, go for someone who behaves with zero charm and seeming coldheartedness? She's not a masochist in any way. I get why 2005 tries to play out the poignancy of high passions in the scene, but they are artistically dishonest when they pretended that on her part those passions are constituted of anything except disgust, anger and resentment. He feels plenty of attraction for them both, and that is utterly beside the point. For the first time in Western fiction, a woman's worth extends beyond her beauty or chastity. That's what makes this scene great, among other things. It is cheapening to inject mere sexual palpitations to dilute and distort that fact.
One more thing in regards to Colin Firth; I am a big fan of Pride and Prejudice and Colin Firth shows the best results of a man torn between his desire to his own happiness and his desire to maintain his status in society October 2024
This is what happens in the beginning of an intj infj relationship...give it time. Let intj get the bug out of their @rse and infj will warm up quickly.
I am utterly surprised to see people preferring Colin to Macfadyen? I feel 2005 Darcy showed the most emotion and anguish (his stuttered "I love you" showed his conflicted feelings like nothing else) while still maintaining Darcy's practicality and composure. 1995's Darcy's first proposal sounded too "rehearsed" to the point of sounding like Mr. Colin's proposal. Both Lizzies were fine, but again, Knightley portrayed her wit and forceful nature a little more exhuberantly.
The latest version is more romantic, with stuttered words, tremblings and sighs, sugary as a good Hollywood production would be to draw a broader - above all younger - audience. Make no mistake, the actors are British, the script is as American as it can be. The 1995 series is more acidic, truer to the books on it's irony and mordacity, not to mention the dialogues. Made for who read and enjoyed the books, exactly on the longer format that allows to explore the book's richness. Besides, it's a British production, by BBC nonetheless, and "Pride and Prejudice" is textbook on Literature classes: you escape a word from it and can expect a lot of frowning.
Fatima Abdullah I think that the portrayal of the two Darcys worked in their respective adaptations. Colin Firth's Darcy wouldn't have worked in the movie, and Macfadyen's Darcy wouldn't have worked in the mini series. Like Colin Firth proposing in the rain in the 1995 version would have been absolutely ridiculous. The movie, since it was a Hollywood film, was made keeping the modern audience in mind. It was more expressive and all. Whereas the mini series, very closely followed the book, thus making its characters not be overly open with their feelings. The film was a dramatised version of P&P. Which was fine. However, this version was far more subtle. And that is the thing with Colin's acting as well. It was according to this version. It wasn't wooden, as some people consider it to be. It was subtle. I think you can make out by my defence of the 1995 version that I am a fan of it, but I liked the 2005 version for what it was. In my opinion, you cannot compare the two. The story was the same, but the manner in which the makers portrayed it was different. It was reflected in everything, especially in the acting of their actors.
But in the book, it does say that Mr. Darcy had long been repressing his feelings, and the way that Jane Austen describes his proposal shows that he has other issues to discuss. He had clearly planned what he would say in advance. The 2005 version might feel more romantic as Hollywood defines romance, but it doesn't resemble the book at all, and that ruins it for me.
Darcy is supposed to be arrogant enough that no matter what he says she will of course accept him bc of his wealth and her situation. And then she doesn't. That's the twist. Darcy is supposed to be cold and even upset at himself that he is in love with a woman so inferior. That's what makes Colin's version the more realistic one. He isn't pleading. He is commanding. And she is having none of it.
I find it fascinating how Darcy seems more relieved in the end than in the beginning. Maybe it's not confidence per se, but at least he knows the truth and can go from there. I would have likely struggled more in the wake of such rejection.
@Lelablue I've heard! Interesting. I know 1995 stayed true to the book more. I know you said Macfadyen seemed timid, but I read the timidness as anguish and conflict (this is not something he expected to do! he's lived his life orderly and planned). Also, I felt Macfadyen's feelings were more believable partially b/c he wasn't SO hard-faced (I do know some people disliked his softer expression) but still seemed haughty. Just my thoughts. Both Darcys were good; they just had a different spin.
Χαλεπόν τό μή φιλήσαι . Χαλεπόν δέ και φιλήσαι . Χαλεπώτερον δέ πάντων αποτυγχάνειν φιλούντα ( poème anacréontique ) = Il est dur de ne pas aimer . Il est dur aussi d'aimer . Mais le plus dur de tout , c'est d'être éconduit quand on aime .
Comment Darcy peut-il faire l'erreur d'ajouter à sa déclaration d'amour des considérations humiliantes pour Elisabeth ??? Cela semble invraisemblable ! L'explication est peut-être que l'orgueilleux Darcy en veut à Elisabeth - et à lui-même !- d'avoir la faiblesse de s'abaisser , car il considère son amour pour Elisabeth comme un abaissement , une atteinte à sa condition sociale . Or l'amour n'est pas un abaissement mais une élévation .Elisabeth , qui est sensible et intelligente , a bien senti la réticence de Darcy et que cette déclaration est viciée par l'orgueil . On est très loin du discours de Roméo : " But soft , what light through yonder window breaks ? It is the east and Juliet is the sun ! " Jean Linakis
If she was surprised by his proposal (which I believe she was supposed to be) a little bit more facial expression on the part of the actress, would have been appropriate.
If you look at her expression after Darcy said “….I admire and love you”, you can see that she was surprised by shifting her eyes down and her mouth was open a little. Subtle yet effective.
I think the MacFadyen's proposal [and only the proposal scene] was better, a way more desperate at least, however, there's no better Lizzie than Jennifer's ;)
"I love you despite the many reasons I shouldn't, which I will now outline in great and tedious detail."
Very Mr. Collins of him
@@lenkajf7816Jajja pensaba lo mismo jajaj😅
Darcy: * Insults her and her family to her face, says he loves her against his will *
Elizabeth: * rejects him *
Darcy: * shocked Pikachu face*
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How not to propose to a lady...
Or alternatively how not to get rejected
One would think Mr. Darcy was proposing to a trash can here
THE BEST. Balanced, nuanced, restrained yet passionate, and above all- superbly acted. The pauses say as much as the words.
A real work of art, this.
Watched this scene many times but took that many. . . Or maybe more? To see his many nuanced acting choices! Superb acting!
Probably a good thing Mrs. Bennet didn’t find out this. She would have had a heart attack upon hearing that her daughter, who had already refused one proposal, had refused yet another one, and from an extremely wealthy and handsome man, no less.
There would not be enough smelling salts in the world for that.
Will nobody think of her nerves?! 😂
In the book Mrs Bennet actually unfavours Mr. Darcy and calls him rude and says she wouldnt want him to marry one of the girls because he slighted the family and seemed too prideful. Right up until the last few chapters the mother still speaks ill of Mr Darcy
I love Lizzy's expression when she turns around at 5:22. It's like she just drops any pretence of being civil or trying to spare his feelings - like she's thinking "You want a fight, Darcy? Well, it is ON."
True... The fight was ON, and Darcy could only have wished he hadn't gone there, cause she pretty much dragged him thru the mud in the most brutal manner, with such force and pointed words, finally calling him "un-manly" in his demeamor and ways. He was practically emasculated in a matter of seconds. She pretty much left him with his guts torn to pieces. He couldn't have picked a worst fight... against the one he loves, a fight he was only destined to lose, in the most horrible manner.
@@creativestudio101jajjaja 😅
Thank you for posting the whole scene. Darcy’s minute long silence as he tries to swallow the pumping heart that is in his throat before he can speak is what makes this scene one of the greatest performances OF ALL TIME
[8/7, 15:24] Brunella: Bene, bene, continua a studiare, i soldi sono per la vacanza, quando i genitori vanno in Sardegna, ti invito a cena qui al ristorante La Cava o dove vuoi tu anche con un tuo amico, io comunque ci sono ,pensa ai Co
negli...ciao..ciao..
[8/7, 15:33] Marco Costi Bimbo: si certo nonna va bene
[10/7, 21:39] Brunella: Ciao Marco, i genitori sono partiti e ora sulla nave...senti ti invito venerdì 12, a cena da Vittorino, ore 20, con imiei amici mazziniani che conosci in parte anche tu come i nonni di Antonio Ricci,che abita lì vicino...ti aspetto, se hai un amico per caso,porta anche lui...dammi la conferma, poi ci sentiamo, io sono a casa ..ciao..notte..[1/7, 17:04] Brunella: Ciao Paola, come stai ?l'operazione è andata bene, l'hai superata bene, stamani ho incontrato i tuoi genitori e ho chiesto notizie su di te, mi hanno raccontato che ora ti stai riprendendo con gradualità e con la riabilitazione....tantissimi auguri ,pazienza, e non mollare mai...ciao. ciao..baci...
[9/7, 17:56] Paola Poletti: Grazie mille brunella
[26/7, 09:16] Paola Poletti: Grazie , ho pazienza certo 👌
Exactly, it really aided in emphasising how just being in her presence alone has him lost for words. ❤
Ehle is superb in this.
Darcy is insulting Elizabeth on every level yet in the same breath expects her to say yes to marrying him. Even if he was from high-borne lines & filthy rich, what an awful day upon day existence it would have been for her if indeed he remained unchanged in his arrogant (ignorant) mindset. Thankfully he managed to turn his attitude around & opened his eyes & heart before it was way too late for any possible reconciliation
Erica: but I feel that had she accepted - at any time now or in the future, at any quarrel he will bring up her lowly position and his regret at having married her The book ends with a happy marriage, but I doubt it will last long in harmony ...
Darcy treated this proposal like a compliment sandwich…
Yes, where the bread’s made of insults 🤣
Well, this is how it was described in the books! Darcy was nasty in this scene, for sure. And Lizzie raging. Remember, we are talking about early 1800s, people behaved even in these tense situations! The 2005 version is more "modern". It speaks to us, but I think it was, in fact, what we see here.
Can you blame Lizzy's reaction? I'd say she was restrained.
It was more passionate indeed. But fit the setting of that particular film. I love, love, love pride and prejudice (2005)
“The mode of your declaration merely spared me any concern I might have felt in refusing you, had you behaved in a more gentlemanlike manner.” *Ouch!!*
This is a literal PIECE OF ART !!!
This is definitely the best version, I have watched this adaptation time and time again and never fail to enjoy it. It is the most faithful to the book which I think is the most important thing.
I 10000% agree.
Agree!!!
His extended pacing and long efforts to collect himself prove how badly he has it. Poor Mr. Darcy deserved every jab of Elizabeth's sword.
"Highly reprehensible connection" 😂😂 i just cant with you Mr.Darcy
What a scene! Man, never gets old!
It's a great interpretation. He's hostile towards her for putting him in the position of making him love her.
I remember this scene from 1995 with aplomb. Beautifully acted and magnificently despatched, two absolute impeccable characters, portrayed by two incredible actors.
the best version ever ♥
The masterpiece of Colin Firth in this movie. This is a piece of dramatics arts.
Is it sad that I can recite this whole scene word for word? Probably. But I have adored and watch this version since it was first broadcast in 1995/96. It really is almost word for word the book brought to stunning life.
Colin Firth was, and probably always will be, my favorite Darcy, and Jennifer Ehle my favorite Lizzie. That said though, I also really love the actors in the modern Lizzie Bennett Diaries version as well, who are in a solid second place behind Firth and Ehle.
No it is a good sign. I bought the dvd so I can too.
Me too😉
Hey, I only used this series for months as my going to sleep pill. So, no, it's not bad. I can pretty much recall each coming scenery almost frame by frame ha ha
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My response, if I were Elizabeth: "You do me great honor, sir. With my father's estate entailed away from the female line, my position is pitiable indeed. Though your manners are filled with contempt, I have no choice but to accept lest I should be turned out to starve in the hedgerow upon my father's estate passing to the next male heir. I accept your proposal, persuaded by your excellent condition in life and the fortunate alliance it would bring to me and my family."
Love it! 😂
True….😜😜😜
Had a good laugh! Loved it!
Even though he ended your sisters engagement with the love of her life? Or would you attempt to fix that/him after marriage and just hope that would work out too. If it does not, youve married someone who thinks you and your loved ones beneath him. Otherwise you'd need to keep a rather large secret from your beloved sister, allthough Jane is sweet enough, she might forgive you anyway and understand.
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Me every time I listen to his lines " could you expect me to rejoice in the inferiority of your connections", nooooooo Darcy, you're shiting it!!!!! 😂
Elizabeth is the hero of this movie. She changed a Proud Man like Darcy. JEEZ!
4:12 love Darcy's facial reactions when he hears about Wickham. He's like "Seriously, that guy? Again? Why does he always have to show up at the worst moments to ruin my life?"
Droiture et dignité ! Elisabeth , qui est pauvre , est prête à renoncer à l'union avec le riche Darcy dont la mentalité est détestable . Elle a le courage de le repousser et de lui dire ses vérités . Scène sublime , admirablement jouée par Jennifer Ehle . Jean Linakis
How not to propose a lady 101
(By - Fitzwilliam Darcy)😂🤣
Where are all the films similar that have array of emotions so well articulated? Keeps your mind stimulated
@xocloudy On the contrary, I'm always surprised to see someone prefering any other Darcy to Colin Firth's one.
Always love watching this.,
Jane Austen, wonderful woman. Austen died a spinster. I don't think Mr Darcy is just a fictional character. Jane Austen modelled Mr Darcy on someone she loved, was enamored with. She carried, nourished emotions in her bosom, subdued emotions, love pain desire unfulfilled longing
Mr.Darcy in agony😊😊😊😊😊
What a marvelous scene!!!
Mr. Darcy love Lizzy so much he's so Loyal and changed for her 😂❤
Noticed that time, literally, stood still! The minute hand on the clock never budged …
The best version of Pride & Prejudice ever.
"It was most unconsciously done" 😆
Mr. Darcy: You and your family are cr4p but I love you
That's because Jane Austen was an INTJ and she wrote Mr. Darcy as an INTJ. INTJs don't struggle with emotions externally like the 2005 showed. Our emotions are internal and we do not like to show them, we want to show that we are in control.
It's supposed to sound rehearsed because we INTJs WILL rehearse the crap out of something important like this. Colin Firth NAILED Mr. Darcy as an INTJ, and to have him be portrayed as anything else is an injustice to Jane Austen and the character.
She is my favorite Jane ever. She's so awesome.
Jane Eyrie
Jane Eyre
Lizzie
He's so awkward lol
@emmers57 I can never picture ANYONE calling him anything but "Darcy". I mean, even Bingley, his best friend, calls him Darcy. (You could say they're just being formal but I'm pretty sure Darcy calls him Charles at least once.) His own parents probably called him Darcy as a baby, LOL. (With a name like Fitzwilliam, I don't blame him. What a mouthful! I suppose he could go by Fitz or Will, but he doesn't really seem like the nickname type.)
Nacha255 lol he seems like the type to get angry if you call him a nickname.
Notice the clock at 00:37 --It reads six: seventeen...then look at 4:38 the clock still reads six: seventeen a full four minutes of screen time has passed but the clock never moved!
Interesting
Just 🔥🔥🔥performance 👏🏽
This is the best move or the best book Jane Austin wrote!!!
This one is closer to the book, but I do love the added passion in the Matthew MacFayden version. Also, the two leads interact more in that version, which I like as well. I do not see MacFayden as timid in the film as you do. I see him as superior until he starts to feel for her, in which case he appears more careful in his dealings with her, more vulnerable. In this version, Jennifer Ehle does not seem that surprised and much too composed in her initial reaction to this proposal, which is supposed to come at such a shock. I do not eve get a sense that she is working hard to compose herself.
MarieMale - it's Olde England. She's supposed to be composed. Notice how she doesn't utter a sound while Darcy paces and squirms at the beginning of the scene. She let's him speak first. I saw the 2005 version. WAY too modern. Common English spoken, and they fight like a 21st century couple. Plus, they needed to make it take place in a rain storm for effect, outside, in dramatic setting, while this scene takes place inside, in a quiet room. Tension and drama comes purely from the brilliant acting.
@@pauldevito7476 That is a problem in the 2005 version. A woman from that time period wouldn't be yelling at a gentleman during a failed proposal. It would be seen as highly inappropriate or even hysterical behaviour that would make her and her family look bad. It's one reason why Mrs. Bennet and Lydia's behaviour so shames the family.
@@pauldevito7476 it's mentioned and stressed in the book that his proposal was such a shock to her, especially after having known what his cousin had told her, that it took her some time to be able to regain serenity before he was finished talking
Couldn't say it better myself!
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Elizabeth Bennet was the daughter of a country gentleman and thus came from a privileged background. She would have been used to deference. Consequently, Darcy's frank comments would have really hit home hard.
Mr. Darcy is more privileged than she is, and likely took just as hard, if not a harder, blow.
agreed
Tell me you didn't understand the societal context without telling me.
Thank you!
I like this version of P&P best‼️‼️‼️‼️🫶❤️🧡💚🌻
Nunca había querido verla, pero luego de ver está escena siento que lo necesito 😂😮
É uma versão excelente. Merece ser assistida por todos.
The audarcity!
Мне от таких сцен всегда так же неловко, как и действующим лицам🥹 наверное, это и есть показатель хорошего фильма
Jealous of Mr Wickham. The Cad.
The richest most powerful man in the Countryside.
Ouch. What a fiery reply. What an argument
I love the way he thinks that she hasn't given a valid reason for refusing him, after he just insulted her and her family to her face.
But when she saw Pemberley oh my how she changed her mind. :)
That was also the occasion of his meeting her aunt and uncle, and that changed HIS mind about the quality of Lizzie's connections.
I mean it is a lady’s prerogative to change her mind and who can blame her!
He helped Lydia, and that changed her perception of him. Pemberley made no difference.
😨Oh...lawdy! Talk about being roasted!! 😂😃
4:39 one of my favorite parts🎉❤
The best version of Pride & Prejudice ever. Where can I get the complete episodes? Really want to watch.
He should have stopped at 1:44...
Wow, she slammed him hard.
Given her family situation and the social standards of the time, and while I know it worked out in the end, it seems rather unwise to have rejected him.
It was, of course. As obnoxious as Mr. Collins' proposal was, he was right that her small fortune would make future proposals unlikely. But Elizabeth was so committed to marrying for the right reasons that she was willing to forego all that Darcy could have done for her and her family.
Remember that at this moment she thought he was pretty much evil. Not to say that she wasn’t stubborn to begin with, but most reasonable people wouldn’t sell their lives to someone with supposed pathological tendencies, even for £10,000/year.
So that he treats her like trash?
And why not? Pray tell😊
@judithpeligro5837 Longborn has an entail, and none of the Bennet sisters can be assured of a place in the house, or in any house. Mr Bennet has mishandled the family finances. Jane at this point is unlikely to marry Mr Bingley. Kitty and Mary don't seem to have any particular prospects. Lydia has married in a state of minor scandal, but Mr Wickham, even if he had been what he appeared, was not wealthy.
At this point in the story, her entire family's futures looked to rest on her answer. This was not an era where it was easy to rise in social class.
I wonder if the servants heard 😂
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finally someone who shares the same opinion with me.
I completley agree with you! Though Colin and Ehle did a fantastic job, I love Matthew and Keira. Matthew really made me fall in love with Mr. Darcy and he just had great command on the screen. Loved him!
Why did they alter the script? Austen's words are perfect. Weird.
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This a series .....so naturally, by having more time, the whole adaptation is closer to the book
What does it say, if comparism is mistaken for competition that often? Better, good, worse? Colin Firth gave us another a different Darcy than Matthew MacFadyen. Probably a tad more close to the interpretation of Laurence Olivier. I like Colin Firth a lot, but MacFadyen's Darcy touched me more. The chemistry with Keira Knightely was more passionate. The "non-kiss" at least as impressive as the "wet shirt" scene. When it comes to theatre, movies, books or music it's sometimes a question of taste.
The non-kiss goes completely against the book. Elizabeth was never subconsciously attracted to Darcy. Wickham was even a tad better looking than Darcy. Why would she, even without having fallen for Wickham, go for someone who behaves with zero charm and seeming coldheartedness? She's not a masochist in any way. I get why 2005 tries to play out the poignancy of high passions in the scene, but they are artistically dishonest when they pretended that on her part those passions are constituted of anything except disgust, anger and resentment. He feels plenty of attraction for them both, and that is utterly beside the point. For the first time in Western fiction, a woman's worth extends beyond her beauty or chastity. That's what makes this scene great, among other things. It is cheapening to inject mere sexual palpitations to dilute and distort that fact.
i prefer the storm scene of 2005, still every movie has its own merit :)
I love both versions for different reasons, but I truly loved these actors' skills.
One more thing in regards to Colin Firth; I am a big fan of Pride and Prejudice and Colin Firth shows the best results of a man torn between his desire to his own happiness and his desire to maintain his status in society
October 2024
This is what happens in the beginning of an intj infj relationship...give it time. Let intj get the bug out of their @rse and infj will warm up quickly.
I love that the intention he plays is nausea.
I am utterly surprised to see people preferring Colin to Macfadyen? I feel 2005 Darcy showed the most emotion and anguish (his stuttered "I love you" showed his conflicted feelings like nothing else) while still maintaining Darcy's practicality and composure. 1995's Darcy's first proposal sounded too "rehearsed" to the point of sounding like Mr. Colin's proposal. Both Lizzies were fine, but again, Knightley portrayed her wit and forceful nature a little more exhuberantly.
The latest version is more romantic, with stuttered words, tremblings and sighs, sugary as a good Hollywood production would be to draw a broader -
above all younger - audience. Make no mistake, the actors are British, the script is as American as it can be.
The 1995 series is more acidic, truer to the books on it's irony and mordacity, not to mention the dialogues. Made for who read and enjoyed the books, exactly on the longer format that allows to explore the book's richness. Besides, it's a British production, by BBC nonetheless, and "Pride and Prejudice" is textbook on Literature classes: you escape a word from it and can expect a lot of frowning.
Fatima Abdullah I think that the portrayal of the two Darcys worked in their respective adaptations. Colin Firth's Darcy wouldn't have worked in the movie, and Macfadyen's Darcy wouldn't have worked in the mini series. Like Colin Firth proposing in the rain in the 1995 version would have been absolutely ridiculous. The movie, since it was a Hollywood film, was made keeping the modern audience in mind. It was more expressive and all. Whereas the mini series, very closely followed the book, thus making its characters not be overly open with their feelings. The film was a dramatised version of P&P. Which was fine. However, this version was far more subtle. And that is the thing with Colin's acting as well. It was according to this version. It wasn't wooden, as some people consider it to be. It was subtle. I think you can make out by my defence of the 1995 version that I am a fan of it, but I liked the 2005 version for what it was. In my opinion, you cannot compare the two. The story was the same, but the manner in which the makers portrayed it was different. It was reflected in everything, especially in the acting of their actors.
But in the book, it does say that Mr. Darcy had long been repressing his feelings, and the way that Jane Austen describes his proposal shows that he has other issues to discuss. He had clearly planned what he would say in advance. The 2005 version might feel more romantic as Hollywood defines romance, but it doesn't resemble the book at all, and that ruins it for me.
Darcy is supposed to be arrogant enough that no matter what he says she will of course accept him bc of his wealth and her situation.
And then she doesn't.
That's the twist.
Darcy is supposed to be cold and even upset at himself that he is in love with a woman so inferior.
That's what makes Colin's version the more realistic one. He isn't pleading. He is commanding.
And she is having none of it.
I find it fascinating how Darcy seems more relieved in the end than in the beginning. Maybe it's not confidence per se, but at least he knows the truth and can go from there. I would have likely struggled more in the wake of such rejection.
@Lelablue I've heard! Interesting. I know 1995 stayed true to the book more. I know you said Macfadyen seemed timid, but I read the timidness as anguish and conflict (this is not something he expected to do! he's lived his life orderly and planned). Also, I felt Macfadyen's feelings were more believable partially b/c he wasn't SO hard-faced (I do know some people disliked his softer expression) but still seemed haughty. Just my thoughts. Both Darcys were good; they just had a different spin.
Mcfayden expresses with his eyes while his expression and carriage remains haughty. At Pemberly meeting he softens
Χαλεπόν τό μή φιλήσαι . Χαλεπόν δέ και φιλήσαι . Χαλεπώτερον δέ πάντων αποτυγχάνειν φιλούντα ( poème anacréontique ) = Il est dur de ne pas aimer . Il est dur aussi d'aimer . Mais le plus dur de tout , c'est d'être éconduit quand on aime .
You are absolutely right!
Mr Darcy so Handsome. Why enjoy watching film movie A plus .
He's so cute and nervous..I'm sure he's used to women fall to his feet. But she is a challenge he loves.
1995
Mr Darcy is so rude!!!
I think it was not his intention to have it be taken that way, but it certainly came out that way.
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Comment Darcy peut-il faire l'erreur d'ajouter à sa déclaration d'amour des considérations humiliantes pour Elisabeth ??? Cela semble invraisemblable ! L'explication est peut-être que l'orgueilleux Darcy en veut à Elisabeth - et à lui-même !- d'avoir la faiblesse de s'abaisser , car il considère son amour pour Elisabeth comme un abaissement , une atteinte à sa condition sociale . Or l'amour n'est pas un abaissement mais une élévation .Elisabeth , qui est sensible et intelligente , a bien senti la réticence de Darcy et que cette déclaration est viciée par l'orgueil . On est très loin du discours de Roméo : " But soft , what light through yonder window breaks ? It is the east and Juliet is the sun ! " Jean Linakis
If she was surprised by his proposal (which I believe she was supposed to be) a little bit more facial expression on the part of the actress, would have been appropriate.
I don't think she wanted to give him the satisfaction of showing surprise - would have fed his arrogance.
If you look at her expression after Darcy said “….I admire and love you”, you can see that she was surprised by shifting her eyes down and her mouth was open a little. Subtle yet effective.
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Here in September 2024. Darcy was a narcissist. 😅
I think the MacFadyen's proposal [and only the proposal scene] was better, a way more desperate at least, however, there's no better Lizzie than Jennifer's ;)
It was absolutely cringe inducing. This one was much better.
@emmers57 hahaha fitzie! that so ruins the darcy persona.
0:33 Would enjoy the Whole Movie
Where can I watch it please?
This is Pride & Prejudice (1995), a BBC Series. I imagine that it is in some streaming, but it's relative easy to find it on line or via torent.
The main takeaway is that no matter how rich you are, if you want to win an alpha woman, you have to raise your game
Which episode is this?!
Third episode.
This is a meeting that could have been prevented if both Elizabeth and Mr Darcy could discuss things openly instead of through letters
October 2024
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Proposing isn't done a right or wrong way,
God guys used to do this on that time too.....😂😂😂
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But of course it would be marrying down for him.
Mr. Collins' proposal was beautiful compared to this.