Feld, thanks for your review. Your experiences mirror mine since I got my WB 718 paired with an 11.5" upper. It's amazing how advanced the Surge Bypass technology is and how little gas you get back to the face while also getting RC2-like sound performance. One thing I did to my can was cerakote it because the raw inconel was getting marked up easily. The media blasting process smoothens out the texture and at the end of it you can see little 3D printing artifacts which is neat.
Thanks for watching and for commenting on your experience too! I don't think I mentioned it in the review but I noticed the same on mine where the finish wears pretty easily. I might look into getting mine cerakoted too.
Got mine in a couple weeks ago. I am very impressed at the performance. Tone is fantastic, rivals a Nomad 30. Like yours, the weight of mine was not as stated. 15.3 oz. Had to put a keymo adapter on it as my p/w already had a keymo flash hider so now its 19.6 oz. Still fantastic. Compared to a sandman s and a sierra 5, the back pressure was reduced by a lot. I don't feel anything coming back to my eyes or face. I am very happy with this. Can't recommend enough to others.
@@EmpTy-kf2rqsounds like both of you guys got one from the batch that was intended for a specific military branch that was misplaced and then sold accidentally to the public. The cans that weigh 13.9 oz are being called “mil” by CAT, but they are just the civilian model that they reinforced at some point and are calling “mil” for some reason despite them being the new standard version for the WB. If I understand correctly, the only WB’s that were actually destined for the military that have been disclosed have a weight of over 15 oz for the 718 hub variant, not 13.9. Idk anyone with one that is actually the original listed weight of 12.8 oz
That's reallly quiet for the size and the platform. And this can scales really really well with barrel length. I think this is finally the video I needed to confirm what the specs say on paper
Damn, you got one of the rare Mil Core CAT cans. you're lucky bro. That was a design meant for a pretty heavy duty contract that was accidentally printed by the manufacturer (they use an OEM manufacturer the same way that a company like Apple or Nvidia use TSMC to print chips for them). So these contract specific, heavy duty versions of the cans were printed and sent out to normal customers lmao. If you contact CAT about it, they'll give you a new one in the proper weight if you want that. But personally I'd probably keep the heavy duty one, they are very rare.
Waiting for mine to get out of jail. I haven’t had a chance to use it but I’m glad I bought it. It’s hard to find anything negative on any of the CAT cans… besides people complaining about their old warranty policy.
It's a small thing, but I really appreciate that you just review things the way you do and aren't another one of the "I bought this suppressed SBR because I want to survive my work commute in case the North Koreans invade or the power grid suddenly goes out and I have to fight my way home."-kind of shit. You're also just pleasant to listen to.
Thank you, really glad you're liking the reviews! I know what you mean, I've seen a fair bit of those types of reviews too lol, they get really over-the-top. While sometimes they do have a good point to being prepared, other times I actually find those types of reviews can be pretty amusing especially when they get really outlandish.
@@Feldmutze It's really about how the message is conveyed and not really the core of the message. It feels like Fear Mongering or Fear Advertisements basically. If you own a firearm you should in my opinion mainly have one for fun, it shouldn't be a demonized hobby you can enjoy without worrying about foreign invasion and civil wars. You should respect the firearm and not treat it like a toy that you can be careless with, if you then train for proficiency and it will potentially aid you if there is a burglar or somebody else who by the small chance of wanting to do you harm, all good as well. But you shouldn't buy a gun because a TH-camr instilled fear in you.
Great review. I just picked up my CAT WB 718 the other day too. Funny enough, I was debating between the plan b and the dual lok as well, and I chose to go with the dual lok, and it is great too. The dual lok is definitely rock solid, and it only adds 1 oz in weight over the plan- B low-pro adapter from Wolfpack, but it does add an extra inch in OAL as you know.
Also, my CAT WB weight was 13.9 oz without any mounts installed, which is now listed on their website as the "mil" weight, but I heard the true military reenforced WB's that were accidentally released were over 15 oz, which sounds closer to the weight of yours. I have still yet to see anyone get a hub 718 WB that was not heavier than the 12.8 oz listed as the civilian weight on their site. Seems like CAT may be making iterative changes to the design without telling customers, and instead they are calling it "mil" haha.
That's really good to know on the weights, I didn't know their mil versions had a different weight. I was also thinking it's possible the extra weight on my WB 718 is potentially leftover from the manufacturing process that would blast out over time. It's something I'll check when I eventually clean this to see if the weight goes down from its original point.
You may have gotten a WB with one of their “MIL” cores as those are 13.9 oz plus the WP Armory mount should put you in the 15 oz range. In talking with them both the ODB and WB had MIL core versions that went out by mistake in a batch. Now they only list the MIL weights on their site for the WB and ODB so it probably was a large enough batch.
Is there anything you'd recommend over the CAT WB for suppressing the HK MR? I've been looking at this too after trying a Flow 556K and being pretty unimpressed with the suppression and just how loud it is.
I've read the CAT ODB is even quieter than the WB even though it's a .30 Cal suppressor, though I haven't been able to test them side by side. I plan to pick one up in the future primarily to suppress my MR762 but it could be used on 5.56 too.
So I have a CAT ODB on order for my MR762, but got an extra CAT flash hider for my MR556. I know in another video you had mentioned not being able to get the flash hider off and I mentioned some guys using the hot water and I was wondering if that worked for you or what you did, because I am trying to get the flash hider on the MR556 off and so far have had zero luck.
I was never able to remove the factory flash hider on my MR762 myself. When I sent my rifle in to be reanodized/milled/re-marked by Black Ops Defense I had them remove it, and they were able to. HK apparently sent out a batch with extremely overtorqued flash hiders which included mine, which was why I was having the issue. My MR556 flash hider seemed overtorqued too but overall I didn't have too much of an issue with removing it though I do have better tooling to work on 5.56s/ARs. Sorry I don't have any specific tricks aside from recommending a reaction rod with a sail and using a lengthy breaker bar if you have one. Unless HK recently changed it again, they don't Rocksett muzzle devices anymore so the water trick doesn't really help much as I found out.
@@Feldmutze thanks for the information, it is both helpful and disappointing. On on the fence of of just cutting the things off as I have a better grinder than I do solid workbench and vice. As for the reaction, when you say sail, would that be like the Midwest Industries one where it has a piece that goes up into the charging handle groove?
Yes, something like the URR just so that the torque isn't all going on to the barrel extension. It should be fine, but especially with how tight the HK factory flash hiders are torqued it just ensures the barrel won't get damaged. I've seen some other people just cut the flash hider off too so it should work so long as the threads or crown don't get damaged.
@@Feldmutze Just in case you are wondering I tried heating soaking and using the reaction rod and breaker bar on the MR556 with no luck and ended up cutting the flash hider off without doing any damage to the barrel and treads. I didn't want to cut the flash hider off the MR762 though, but almost got to that point, but tried heating it again. I heated it for a little over 10 minutes with Mac Pro gas and the flash hider had a faint glow to it. I went to use the break bar again and was going to have my wife hit the bar when I had pressure on it, but it popped loose before she did. Moral of the story, you just have to make sure to heat it to the max temp that the Mac Pro can get it and it will come loose. Also, the ODB looks pretty good on both, but I haven't made it to the range yet, so no comment on sound.
I had to send my MR762 back to HK to get the flash hider off..they did ask me to ship it to them at my expense but the work and return shipping was taken care of..had it back in5 days
Thanks! I picked up most my HK AR mags through Frontier Armory. They might not have the black mags in stock currently, but I think they still have RAL8000 and Sand ones.
Maybe I missed it in the video but did you say what flash hider you're using? Is it the standard flash hider or the recessed one? I understand the adapter was the recessed version.
Wait, why would you not just use the Spooky System? Either the Spooky 1 or the Spooky 2. I'd much rather have a muzzle device that was optimized using the same machine learning systems + engineering goals to integrate the muzzle device into the operation of the suppressor instead of buying something from a company that has essentially no data about how to get that muzzle device optimized?
When I got interested in this suppressor neither version was in stock and when one finally came in it just so happened it was the HUB version so that's what I went with.
@ ah, makes sense. I forgot that these were basically sold out everywhere for a while and are still kinda hard to find sometimes. I would definitely recommend the Spooky1 or the Spooky2. The spooky2 will slightly improve the performance of the suppressor, but then you’d have to use a brake when the silencer is off haha
The 718 part of the name refers to this being Inconel. This particular can is 5.56 only, but CAT does make .30 Cal cans such as the ODB which is similarly offered in titanium and Inconel 718.
@@Feldmutze ok cool. I’m looking for the 556 only right now. I did not want to order the wrong one. Ps I have the keymo adapter on my hybrid46. Will that same adapter fit in the WB? I think they are diff but I don’t understand the size difference between bravo and Charlie
@@Feldmutze I only saw two options online. The one I have and the other one that has the taper. Are u saying the adapter I have now won’t fit in the cat WB? Is there any way u can post a link to the one I need.
I had to do some digging as I'm not very familiar with SilencerCo's thread pitches but it looks like the Bravo threads are actually the same thread pitch as the HUB thread pitch so my previous comment was incorrect, I was thinking of their Charlie threads. You could in fact use the same mount in your case.
You the man bro I’m glad I ran across your channel. Definitely subscribing
Thank you, and I'm glad you're liking the channel!
Feld, thanks for your review. Your experiences mirror mine since I got my WB 718 paired with an 11.5" upper. It's amazing how advanced the Surge Bypass technology is and how little gas you get back to the face while also getting RC2-like sound performance. One thing I did to my can was cerakote it because the raw inconel was getting marked up easily. The media blasting process smoothens out the texture and at the end of it you can see little 3D printing artifacts which is neat.
Thanks for watching and for commenting on your experience too! I don't think I mentioned it in the review but I noticed the same on mine where the finish wears pretty easily. I might look into getting mine cerakoted too.
Got mine in a couple weeks ago. I am very impressed at the performance. Tone is fantastic, rivals a Nomad 30. Like yours, the weight of mine was not as stated. 15.3 oz. Had to put a keymo adapter on it as my p/w already had a keymo flash hider so now its 19.6 oz. Still fantastic. Compared to a sandman s and a sierra 5, the back pressure was reduced by a lot. I don't feel anything coming back to my eyes or face. I am very happy with this. Can't recommend enough to others.
My WB 718 is still in jail but I weighed it at 16.77oz with the direct mount or 15.34oz without the direct mount. 😢
@@EmpTy-kf2rqsounds like both of you guys got one from the batch that was intended for a specific military branch that was misplaced and then sold accidentally to the public. The cans that weigh 13.9 oz are being called “mil” by CAT, but they are just the civilian model that they reinforced at some point and are calling “mil” for some reason despite them being the new standard version for the WB. If I understand correctly, the only WB’s that were actually destined for the military that have been disclosed have a weight of over 15 oz for the 718 hub variant, not 13.9. Idk anyone with one that is actually the original listed weight of 12.8 oz
that is a good review. Hats off to you for taking the time to share.
That's reallly quiet for the size and the platform. And this can scales really really well with barrel length. I think this is finally the video I needed to confirm what the specs say on paper
i got the cat ODB and i love it, i also got the PTR VENT 3 and it soulds great but like you mentioned. titanium
Damn, you got one of the rare Mil Core CAT cans. you're lucky bro. That was a design meant for a pretty heavy duty contract that was accidentally printed by the manufacturer (they use an OEM manufacturer the same way that a company like Apple or Nvidia use TSMC to print chips for them). So these contract specific, heavy duty versions of the cans were printed and sent out to normal customers lmao. If you contact CAT about it, they'll give you a new one in the proper weight if you want that. But personally I'd probably keep the heavy duty one, they are very rare.
thanks for the content
Waiting for mine to get out of jail. I haven’t had a chance to use it but I’m glad I bought it. It’s hard to find anything negative on any of the CAT cans… besides people complaining about their old warranty policy.
what is their new warranty policy?
Great review
It's a small thing, but I really appreciate that you just review things the way you do and aren't another one of the "I bought this suppressed SBR because I want to survive my work commute in case the North Koreans invade or the power grid suddenly goes out and I have to fight my way home."-kind of shit. You're also just pleasant to listen to.
Thank you, really glad you're liking the reviews! I know what you mean, I've seen a fair bit of those types of reviews too lol, they get really over-the-top. While sometimes they do have a good point to being prepared, other times I actually find those types of reviews can be pretty amusing especially when they get really outlandish.
@@Feldmutze It's really about how the message is conveyed and not really the core of the message. It feels like Fear Mongering or Fear Advertisements basically. If you own a firearm you should in my opinion mainly have one for fun, it shouldn't be a demonized hobby you can enjoy without worrying about foreign invasion and civil wars. You should respect the firearm and not treat it like a toy that you can be careless with, if you then train for proficiency and it will potentially aid you if there is a burglar or somebody else who by the small chance of wanting to do you harm, all good as well. But you shouldn't buy a gun because a TH-camr instilled fear in you.
Great review. I just picked up my CAT WB 718 the other day too. Funny enough, I was debating between the plan b and the dual lok as well, and I chose to go with the dual lok, and it is great too. The dual lok is definitely rock solid, and it only adds 1 oz in weight over the plan- B low-pro adapter from Wolfpack, but it does add an extra inch in OAL as you know.
Also, my CAT WB weight was 13.9 oz without any mounts installed, which is now listed on their website as the "mil" weight, but I heard the true military reenforced WB's that were accidentally released were over 15 oz, which sounds closer to the weight of yours. I have still yet to see anyone get a hub 718 WB that was not heavier than the 12.8 oz listed as the civilian weight on their site. Seems like CAT may be making iterative changes to the design without telling customers, and instead they are calling it "mil" haha.
That's really good to know on the weights, I didn't know their mil versions had a different weight. I was also thinking it's possible the extra weight on my WB 718 is potentially leftover from the manufacturing process that would blast out over time. It's something I'll check when I eventually clean this to see if the weight goes down from its original point.
@@Feldmutze I think a dealer told me the "Alley Cat" (Contract overruns) versions are a little longer.
You're right about it getting hot faster.
Mine doesn’t get hot hardly at all. Rapid fire mag dump get its to 670 tops. 718 you can get to 1000 safely.
Yeah, 670, that's like, nothing
*cries in ban state*
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That really sucks, hopefully those laws in your state get changed.
You may have gotten a WB with one of their “MIL” cores as those are 13.9 oz plus the WP Armory mount should put you in the 15 oz range. In talking with them both the ODB and WB had MIL core versions that went out by mistake in a batch. Now they only list the MIL weights on their site for the WB and ODB so it probably was a large enough batch.
My 718 WB weighed 15.4 oz brand new without muzzle device - which kind of WB do I have?
@@markbagnall2822 is yours the QD or HUB model?
@@juanthelawnmowerthief1641 QD
@@markbagnall2822 yeh that's probably one of them
The way Sig talks about their cans they make it sound like it sucks the gas from the muzzle 🤣
I didn't hear about that but I looked up some of their old promo videos on their SLX/SLH suppressors and I see what you mean.
Is there anything you'd recommend over the CAT WB for suppressing the HK MR? I've been looking at this too after trying a Flow 556K and being pretty unimpressed with the suppression and just how loud it is.
I've read the CAT ODB is even quieter than the WB even though it's a .30 Cal suppressor, though I haven't been able to test them side by side. I plan to pick one up in the future primarily to suppress my MR762 but it could be used on 5.56 too.
So I have a CAT ODB on order for my MR762, but got an extra CAT flash hider for my MR556. I know in another video you had mentioned not being able to get the flash hider off and I mentioned some guys using the hot water and I was wondering if that worked for you or what you did, because I am trying to get the flash hider on the MR556 off and so far have had zero luck.
I was never able to remove the factory flash hider on my MR762 myself. When I sent my rifle in to be reanodized/milled/re-marked by Black Ops Defense I had them remove it, and they were able to. HK apparently sent out a batch with extremely overtorqued flash hiders which included mine, which was why I was having the issue.
My MR556 flash hider seemed overtorqued too but overall I didn't have too much of an issue with removing it though I do have better tooling to work on 5.56s/ARs. Sorry I don't have any specific tricks aside from recommending a reaction rod with a sail and using a lengthy breaker bar if you have one. Unless HK recently changed it again, they don't Rocksett muzzle devices anymore so the water trick doesn't really help much as I found out.
@@Feldmutze thanks for the information, it is both helpful and disappointing. On on the fence of of just cutting the things off as I have a better grinder than I do solid workbench and vice. As for the reaction, when you say sail, would that be like the Midwest Industries one where it has a piece that goes up into the charging handle groove?
Yes, something like the URR just so that the torque isn't all going on to the barrel extension. It should be fine, but especially with how tight the HK factory flash hiders are torqued it just ensures the barrel won't get damaged.
I've seen some other people just cut the flash hider off too so it should work so long as the threads or crown don't get damaged.
@@Feldmutze Just in case you are wondering I tried heating soaking and using the reaction rod and breaker bar on the MR556 with no luck and ended up cutting the flash hider off without doing any damage to the barrel and treads. I didn't want to cut the flash hider off the MR762 though, but almost got to that point, but tried heating it again. I heated it for a little over 10 minutes with Mac Pro gas and the flash hider had a faint glow to it. I went to use the break bar again and was going to have my wife hit the bar when I had pressure on it, but it popped loose before she did. Moral of the story, you just have to make sure to heat it to the max temp that the Mac Pro can get it and it will come loose.
Also, the ODB looks pretty good on both, but I haven't made it to the range yet, so no comment on sound.
I had to send my MR762 back to HK to get the flash hider off..they did ask me to ship it to them at my expense but the work and return shipping was taken care of..had it back in5 days
Damn you remind me of the photo of the farmer couple with the pitchfork
I can see the resemblance lol
Good review. Where did you find the HK AR mags?
Thanks! I picked up most my HK AR mags through Frontier Armory. They might not have the black mags in stock currently, but I think they still have RAL8000 and Sand ones.
Maybe I missed it in the video but did you say what flash hider you're using? Is it the standard flash hider or the recessed one? I understand the adapter was the recessed version.
I'm using both types of flash hider. On my 10.3" I have a standard WPA Night Howler, and on the 16" I have their recessed one.
@@Feldmutzethanks man!
Wait, why would you not just use the Spooky System? Either the Spooky 1 or the Spooky 2. I'd much rather have a muzzle device that was optimized using the same machine learning systems + engineering goals to integrate the muzzle device into the operation of the suppressor instead of buying something from a company that has essentially no data about how to get that muzzle device optimized?
When I got interested in this suppressor neither version was in stock and when one finally came in it just so happened it was the HUB version so that's what I went with.
@ ah, makes sense. I forgot that these were basically sold out everywhere for a while and are still kinda hard to find sometimes. I would definitely recommend the Spooky1 or the Spooky2. The spooky2 will slightly improve the performance of the suppressor, but then you’d have to use a brake when the silencer is off haha
Is the 718 can just a 556 can?
Or 30 cal also ?
The 718 part of the name refers to this being Inconel. This particular can is 5.56 only, but CAT does make .30 Cal cans such as the ODB which is similarly offered in titanium and Inconel 718.
@@Feldmutze ok cool. I’m looking for the 556 only right now. I did not want to order the wrong one. Ps I have the keymo adapter on my hybrid46. Will that same adapter fit in the WB?
I think they are diff but I don’t understand the size difference between bravo and Charlie
It won't fit. You'll need a HUB-compatible (1.375" x 24) adapter though you can get a Keymo-compatible HUB adapter that will work.
@@Feldmutze I only saw two options online. The one I have and the other one that has the taper. Are u saying the adapter I have now won’t fit in the cat WB?
Is there any way u can post a link to the one I need.
I had to do some digging as I'm not very familiar with SilencerCo's thread pitches but it looks like the Bravo threads are actually the same thread pitch as the HUB thread pitch so my previous comment was incorrect, I was thinking of their Charlie threads. You could in fact use the same mount in your case.
Now I know why all the ral 8000 and fde parts are always out of stock.
the audio quality is kinda bad so i'm not sure there's much use here for all that hard work testing the distances and stuff
Thanks for the feedback! I'll keep that in mind for when I do the SLH suppressor review.
what in the Saudi oil money is this