Just bought a second odb in 718, you guys are killling it! On my ruger american with subsonic 7.62x39 you can hear the firing pin getting struck... Its insane
Great review. I see the market shifting that all manufacturers are doing flow through and new alloys. I was going to buy but I’m going to wait a year and then see what out there.
That’s a sweet setup on the scar. Too many guys out here either try for a clone correct mk16 cqc or make some abomination with an acr stock and some dumb aftermarket handguard. It’s nice to see a simple and straight forward setup for a change
First, I'm big fan of your channel, I love the no-nonsense content that you put out. The scar 17 makes more sense IMO due to it's light weight for a battle rifle, and stupid low recoil for a 308. The 16s on the other hand is a little on the heavy side compared to so many other guns that can do basically the same things that it can. I saw the 16 on the wall in a store for $2499 about a month before the 2016 Trump/Clinton election and just couldn't pass it up. I mean, I do love the 16...I filed a form 1 and SBR'd it, but it's tough to justify the current price tag of them. Pro: it is without a doubt, a better suppressor host than DI guns are. Pro: I clean it about as often as my galil or an AK, and it never hesitates. Pro: it's cool as a MF. Con: thiccness. Con: stupid expensive. Con: FN is a f-ing annoying company that doesn't get enough replacement parts for the SCARs here, and will probably shit on you instead of taking care of you if something goes wrong (ask how I know this). It makes me feel a certain way when I shoot it, and I enjoy the hell out of it, but I cannot tell you that it's worth the price tag, or that it does something super special that no other guns can do. It'll certainly hold it's value, that's for sure. If you don't like it, keep it for a few years and you'll probably make some money off of it, or at least break even.
@@fortknoxpodcast Then prob no reason to bother with SCAR16 then... Unless you just want one for the vibe.🤠 What barrel length/caliber, and how does it run with your can?
No gas with either. Thats another reason that I was pointing out the ejection pattern. Typically the Carter forward your ejection is, means that there is more back pressure, and more gas around the rear of the receiver.
😂Yeah, for science! But seriously, even for suppressed 22lr supers it is still a good practice to use ear pro. Could also be interpreted as it doesn't really matter much anymore if you have ear pro.🤔
“In the free field” is a major part of PewScience testing that people miss… Shot my MK18 in a wide open area for the first time recently and it sounds a lot quieter…
I've been debating on what to buy more than a year honestly. I shoot 7.62x39 but on an ar platform. It's just for hogs/varmint hunting. I have no real benchmark for performance, I have considered the Enticer L because it seems to have good performance for cost. But the ODB seems great. I just don't know how to justify more than double the cost. Sucks that all the places around me in TX only offer suppressors at indoor ranges lol.
I know that the cost sucks for the ODB but IMO the lack of back pressure is WELL worth it. Long baffle type silencers like the Enticer are awesome for 300 BLK subs on semi autos, but I really don't enjoy them for any caliber shooting supersonic ammo. It makes for a very gassy experience.
These are the type of videos we need more of!!! Casual users comparing products. Thank you for this! I have a 556K in jail and can’t wait to get hands on it!
@@ConcealedSteel Hi. I was a tester on an Operational Detachment- Alpha (Army Special Forces team) back in 2010 and my report highlighted the inadequacies of the piston driven operating system of the SCAR 16 that created unnecessarily heavy recoil, the adjustable gas block that failed to reciprocate the bolt when suppressed, and the reciprocating charging handle that got caught in equipment or hands. The SCAR 16 did not outperform the MK18 which is why my team turned them back in, which we later learned were then reissued to DHS. It’s a cool rifle to have for nostalgia. But I can speak for the Green Berets on my team: The recoil sucks for a 5.56. Which shows in the first few seconds of this video. 💁🏻♂️
Any of these will do you well! I love the flow 762 on my SCAR 17 because it's so light, the flow 556k on my 16, and the 718 ODB on my 8" Galil 7.62x39. The ODB sounds unbelievable on an 8" 7.62x39.
All of this is great info, it does not surprise me though that the longer CAT ODB A1 performed the best in the setting you were in with the roof etc considering it's overall length. Although, I still find it impressive that the K can performed at the level it did considering overall length and the fact they offer this can in a lightweight titanium option now. I'd say for a designated CQB gun i'd still run the 556k TI for it's size/performance ratio but if I were a customer who only wanted to purchase one can that can do it all the ODB is the way to go.
So.......the HUB adapter that you used to attach the CAT ODB to the Huxwrx muzzle device - is that a Hux adapter? And how much weight does that little adapter add?
@juncho1977 When it has a 16" barrel and a magnified optic it would shoot just over an inch with Hornady 75 grain frontier/tap t2. I never really messed with match ammo or bench shooting much though. Never tried 69gr ammo which I read that the 16s likes more.
Man I love this content been begging for people to review high end stuff , my main question is which can is the least gassy on 556? That’s the main thing that bugs me when shooting
YEAH MAN, l mean, it didn't sound obvious at all!! It really didn't and I beIieve this video, I just want to make sure the higher ups understand this so we can both "take the cake" iff you know wht I mean
It's truly difficult for me to tell without real sound testing equipment. Also, there are different performance metrics that could be better to you vs me, etc. Lol, not trying to be difficult, but it depends on what you value more with respect to noise at muzzle, noise at shooter, open field, closed space, back pressure, gas to shooter. What I can tell you is that both sound very good. The Titanium ODB is 3 oz or so lighter, but the difference in weight is not noticeable to me. They both sound very very good on the 17. They both induce very very low amounts of back pressure (almost imperceivable with both). In the open field I'm not sure I'd be able to tell much of a difference in the sound at the shooter. The Flow 762 has zero restrictions on firing schedule which is nice. The TI ODB can't get over 650 deg F or it will rapidly degrade on the inside. 7 shots on the 17 and I was at 550 deg with the TI ODB.
Not what I said at all. I think you should really decide what is most important to you from the factors of, weight, length, muzzle suppression, shooter's ear suppression, back pressure, etc, as well as ability to work on more platforms than 5.56. Also, don't ever forget that wearing hearing protection is pretty much mandatory for anything over a couple of rounds f you don't want to lose your hearing. So splitting hairs over a few decibels isn't worth the witch hunt IMO.
The only reason was because I wanted to use proprietary HUXWRX muzzle devices with this hub silencer. This is a normal hub silencer and any normal hub mount and accessories will work. Huxwrx qd muzzle devices are not made to work with hub cans. The adapter that I bought and modified is no standard mount by any means. Hub is hub (which is 1.375x24 thread pitch), and will work with any hub, or 1.375x24 mounts perfectly.
Not even close, PSA actually cares about their customers and FN is crap. I'd never pay today's prices for a SCAR but I got both this and the 17s for significantly less in 2016 and 2013. The 17s on the other hand is the best 7.62x51 platform in its weight class.
@tehlawlcat I never tried it but based on the ejection that I'm getting it would probably be a little light on gas. I have a discarder on that gun now and I run it down 3-4 click from max open. The gun runs perfectly like that with underpowered ammo. It may actually run on the lower OEM gas setting.
Apparently cat will not warranty anything that does not run their muzzle devices based on what they are saying. So any of the direct threads are sol it seems.
The buildup that you refer to is not buildup. It's material that is there by design inside the blast chamber. Don't be hater. The previous video was on DI guns.
Thanks for taking your own time and ammo to do this for your subscribers. Like also that you buy your own suppressors too, respect.
Any idea of when the Noah will release?
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Just bought a second odb in 718, you guys are killling it! On my ruger american with subsonic 7.62x39 you can hear the firing pin getting struck... Its insane
What’s a good muzzle device to use on your wb 718 hub with the atlas rearden mount
@mattogle2582 I've been using the rearden 3 prong flash hider.
Great review. I see the market shifting that all manufacturers are doing flow through and new alloys. I was going to buy but I’m going to wait a year and then see what out there.
Thanks!
That’s a sweet setup on the scar. Too many guys out here either try for a clone correct mk16 cqc or make some abomination with an acr stock and some dumb aftermarket handguard. It’s nice to see a simple and straight forward setup for a change
I appreciate it, bro.
Its not necessarily the quietest can at the ear on the market, it's the can that poses the least amount of hearing risk on the market.
Filed last month for the flow 762, patiently waiting
You're going to love it. Phenomenal level of suppression for the weight, super low back pressure.
I got mine in 2 days. Guys at the shop said it was a record. Individual
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My man!
Talk me into buying a scar16
First, I'm big fan of your channel, I love the no-nonsense content that you put out.
The scar 17 makes more sense IMO due to it's light weight for a battle rifle, and stupid low recoil for a 308. The 16s on the other hand is a little on the heavy side compared to so many other guns that can do basically the same things that it can. I saw the 16 on the wall in a store for $2499 about a month before the 2016 Trump/Clinton election and just couldn't pass it up.
I mean, I do love the 16...I filed a form 1 and SBR'd it, but it's tough to justify the current price tag of them.
Pro: it is without a doubt, a better suppressor host than DI guns are. Pro: I clean it about as often as my galil or an AK, and it never hesitates. Pro: it's cool as a MF.
Con: thiccness. Con: stupid expensive. Con: FN is a f-ing annoying company that doesn't get enough replacement parts for the SCARs here, and will probably shit on you instead of taking care of you if something goes wrong (ask how I know this).
It makes me feel a certain way when I shoot it, and I enjoy the hell out of it, but I cannot tell you that it's worth the price tag, or that it does something super special that no other guns can do. It'll certainly hold it's value, that's for sure. If you don't like it, keep it for a few years and you'll probably make some money off of it, or at least break even.
For 5.56 you could buy a Bren2 pistol of your liking, and go from there. 😉
@@JohnZ556 I have one!
@@fortknoxpodcast Then prob no reason to bother with SCAR16 then... Unless you just want one for the vibe.🤠
What barrel length/caliber, and how does it run with your can?
@@JohnZ556 I have a 11.5 556. and I think...... it has a hux on it right now
Whats the difference as far as gas to the face or lack of? I hear huxworks 556k is non existent, is the Cat can about the same or is there some gas?
No gas with either. Thats another reason that I was pointing out the ejection pattern. Typically the Carter forward your ejection is, means that there is more back pressure, and more gas around the rear of the receiver.
@@ConcealedSteel Are you using both cans on the scar on the unsuppressed gas setting or does the CAT need to be changed to the suppressed setting?
Both on the same setting; unsuppressed.
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Still loud af but u take off ear pro like it’s ok
😂Yeah, for science!
But seriously, even for suppressed 22lr supers it is still a good practice to use ear pro.
Could also be interpreted as it doesn't really matter much anymore if you have ear pro.🤔
Couple of shots isn't bad.
“In the free field” is a major part of PewScience testing that people miss… Shot my MK18 in a wide open area for the first time recently and it sounds a lot quieter…
100%. Reflection makes a big difference
I'm sure the extra length helps with sound suppresion.
I've been debating on what to buy more than a year honestly. I shoot 7.62x39 but on an ar platform. It's just for hogs/varmint hunting. I have no real benchmark for performance, I have considered the Enticer L because it seems to have good performance for cost. But the ODB seems great. I just don't know how to justify more than double the cost. Sucks that all the places around me in TX only offer suppressors at indoor ranges lol.
I know that the cost sucks for the ODB but IMO the lack of back pressure is WELL worth it. Long baffle type silencers like the Enticer are awesome for 300 BLK subs on semi autos, but I really don't enjoy them for any caliber shooting supersonic ammo. It makes for a very gassy experience.
These are the type of videos we need more of!!! Casual users comparing products. Thank you for this! I have a 556K in jail and can’t wait to get hands on it!
Glad to help, you're going to love the 556k!
Lol range rules… ear pro must be worn at all times. Takes his off one ear lol he’s cool
A 5.56 rifle should never recoil that hard. It’s why no SOF wanted this piece of crap.
That's not why. 16s has almost negative recoil. There's lots of things about it that would make me choose an AR over it though.
@@ConcealedSteel Hi. I was a tester on an Operational Detachment- Alpha (Army Special Forces team) back in 2010 and my report highlighted the inadequacies of the piston driven operating system of the SCAR 16 that created unnecessarily heavy recoil, the adjustable gas block that failed to reciprocate the bolt when suppressed, and the reciprocating charging handle that got caught in equipment or hands. The SCAR 16 did not outperform the MK18 which is why my team turned them back in, which we later learned were then reissued to DHS.
It’s a cool rifle to have for nostalgia. But I can speak for the Green Berets on my team: The recoil sucks for a 5.56. Which shows in the first few seconds of this video. 💁🏻♂️
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This is the realest video man this what the people need haha. Exactly what I been lookin for since I need a flow through for my Aug and galil
Any of these will do you well! I love the flow 762 on my SCAR 17 because it's so light, the flow 556k on my 16, and the 718 ODB on my 8" Galil 7.62x39. The ODB sounds unbelievable on an 8" 7.62x39.
@@ConcealedSteel thanks again for that info man I’ll probably go with the 762 TI so I can just throw their muzzle on both guns and see how it goes!
All of this is great info, it does not surprise me though that the longer CAT ODB A1 performed the best in the setting you were in with the roof etc considering it's overall length. Although, I still find it impressive that the K can performed at the level it did considering overall length and the fact they offer this can in a lightweight titanium option now. I'd say for a designated CQB gun i'd still run the 556k TI for it's size/performance ratio but if I were a customer who only wanted to purchase one can that can do it all the ODB is the way to go.
You were under a canopy, so the sound signature def changed. HuxWrx seems to kinda blow when around reflective surfaces. Etc
Agreed, reflective surfaces certainly change what you hear as a shooter.
So.......the HUB adapter that you used to attach the CAT ODB to the Huxwrx muzzle device - is that a Hux adapter? And how much weight does that little adapter add?
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Thanks for the video. Got all 3 of these cans. Well waiting on 2 but Ive purchased all 3. lol.
Nice! Three of my favorites for sure.
That SCAR SBR is sexay! 😁
Thanks! I love this thing. There's definitely better values out there for what this is, but it definitely has that drip factor.
@ConcealedSteel Just curious, what kind of groups do you get with match ammo at 100 yds?
@juncho1977 When it has a 16" barrel and a magnified optic it would shoot just over an inch with Hornady 75 grain frontier/tap t2. I never really messed with match ammo or bench shooting much though. Never tried 69gr ammo which I read that the 16s likes more.
Man I love this content been begging for people to review high end stuff , my main question is which can is the least gassy on 556? That’s the main thing that bugs me when shooting
All three have zero gas to the face, bro. You'd be very happy with any one of them.
YEAH MAN, l mean, it didn't sound obvious at all!! It really didn't and I beIieve this video, I just want to make sure the higher ups understand this so we can both "take the cake" iff you know wht I mean
Thank you man you really helped me with this video wish I can leave a super thanks
It’s the Scar from Fortnite
It’s a joke don’t worry
Did the same thing with my mount (on a lathe). Love the left hand threads for suppressors!
Nice.
Perhaps I missed it but which was the better performer on the 13 inch Scar 17?
It's truly difficult for me to tell without real sound testing equipment. Also, there are different performance metrics that could be better to you vs me, etc. Lol, not trying to be difficult, but it depends on what you value more with respect to noise at muzzle, noise at shooter, open field, closed space, back pressure, gas to shooter. What I can tell you is that both sound very good. The Titanium ODB is 3 oz or so lighter, but the difference in weight is not noticeable to me. They both sound very very good on the 17. They both induce very very low amounts of back pressure (almost imperceivable with both). In the open field I'm not sure I'd be able to tell much of a difference in the sound at the shooter. The Flow 762 has zero restrictions on firing schedule which is nice. The TI ODB can't get over 650 deg F or it will rapidly degrade on the inside. 7 shots on the 17 and I was at 550 deg with the TI ODB.
Wb718, Sierra 5, 36m, rc2, 556k polonium k... what do i get .. i threw 36m so i could use on other guns...fml please help!!!
My first silencer was the 36M and it was the correct choice. I got to use it on everything while I waited for others to clear.
@ConcealedSteel so ur saying, the others didn't provide any better performance than the 36m
Not what I said at all. I think you should really decide what is most important to you from the factors of, weight, length, muzzle suppression, shooter's ear suppression, back pressure, etc, as well as ability to work on more platforms than 5.56.
Also, don't ever forget that wearing hearing protection is pretty much mandatory for anything over a couple of rounds f you don't want to lose your hearing. So splitting hairs over a few decibels isn't worth the witch hunt IMO.
Yes helpful video… thank you
Comparing is huge for people looking to make purchases I’m looking to start a similar channel
Yeah, man. I know other people have the same questions that I do and I try to make videos that I'd want to see.
Just here to leer at your mk16
Thank you for answering questions I've had for months now
Glad to help.
Respect. Thank you for this, seriously !
I'm glad you liked it.
Whoa... do other industry qds not work with odb?????
If you get the hub version like I did they do. I want to leave my HUXWRX muzzle devices on...I'm sure you've figured it out from the video by now.
@@ConcealedSteel it looked like you needed modification, I wonder if there is always modification or if some muzzle devices would not work
The only reason was because I wanted to use proprietary HUXWRX muzzle devices with this hub silencer. This is a normal hub silencer and any normal hub mount and accessories will work. Huxwrx qd muzzle devices are not made to work with hub cans. The adapter that I bought and modified is no standard mount by any means. Hub is hub (which is 1.375x24 thread pitch), and will work with any hub, or 1.375x24 mounts perfectly.
what tan rail cover is that?
A bunch of larue index clips! They are awesome.
What sling you using here?
It’s a magpul get a Ferro concepts better
Magpul MS1
@@Redbusser40 ok
@@ConcealedSteel thank you
Nice psa Jakl bud
Not even close, PSA actually cares about their customers and FN is crap. I'd never pay today's prices for a SCAR but I got both this and the 17s for significantly less in 2016 and 2013. The 17s on the other hand is the best 7.62x51 platform in its weight class.
What gas setting did you use on the SCAR 16.
12 o'clock position, the setting for normal operations.
@@ConcealedSteel I assume it vents too much gas and does not run reliably in the suppressed setting?
@tehlawlcat I never tried it but based on the ejection that I'm getting it would probably be a little light on gas. I have a discarder on that gun now and I run it down 3-4 click from max open. The gun runs perfectly like that with underpowered ammo. It may actually run on the lower OEM gas setting.
That 7.62 Ti is significantly lighter than the Inconel version of the ODB as well which is something worth noting.
True statement. The Flow 762 will still live on my SCAR 17 because it's very light for the suppression that you get. It's a phenomenal silencer.
Thanks for the info 👍
Apparently cat will not warranty anything that does not run their muzzle devices based on what they are saying. So any of the direct threads are sol it seems.
I hope I never have to find out, but based on how interactive and reasonable they sound on reddit and these comments I'm willing to take the chance.
@ConcealedSteel I hope you and any others that use direct thread system are taken care of.
Why arent you testing these on a DI gun that is the difference you will notice. Look at the build up in that CAT what a joke.
The buildup that you refer to is not buildup. It's material that is there by design inside the blast chamber. Don't be hater. The previous video was on DI guns.
@popnetwork9106 I've got some videos running the odb on a few di hosts