Thanks god I found this video as I was about to ask you guys to make one in order to explain this type of race. I watched it yesterday for the first time at Tokyo’s Olympic Games and I was baffled by the behavior of the racers. So weird si funny at the beginning.
enjoying the track vids, you should feature more of the world track cycling events throughout the year, they are good to watch (but so are the road events)
Some rules were missing I think. What about the rule where once the leading rider drops below the sprinter's line in the last 200m they must stay below that line? Someone asked why doesn't someone go flat out form the start and stay below the sprinters line, well the trailing rider would draft them, saving energy and sprint pass them in the last half a lap or so.
still dont understand the tactics used. Why doesnt the lead rider at the start go as fast as he can and take the sprinters line? And keep sprinting for the finishing line. Why go slow to let your opponent get in front? sounds ridiculous.
Are you think that no one ever try sprint from beginning?? You are the ridiculous one in here. In years the history of this discipline, you think that no one try that?? OMG, educated your self dude. Many athletes do that for strategy, and you have chances 80% to lose if you sprint from the begining..
@@jpgrygus yes.. but every athlete in olimpic is the best from their country. So you can not sprint from the begining. That is so stupid If you wanna watch 2 people race from the start, you should watch another discipline in this sport. It's called INDIVIDUAL PERSUIT. That's the battle do you want. 2 men/women. Battle each other from the start. They start from different cornet of track, so you don't have to care about the opponent strategy. You just have to fast and maintain the stamina. In Individual Sprint. The 2 athlete start in the same position of the track. So there will be 2 positions. The lead, and in the back. The athlete in the back will try to go behind you. Because he will use the advantage from you when you break the air in front. The lead will take all the air resistant or whatever you called it. I'm not good in english. Something about aerodynamic. The lead will don't want to the opponent use this. Cause he will be lose the battle. Its 3 lap. If he sprint, the opponent will have more energy than him self. So the lead will tray to avoid these in many way. You will watch 10 race and you maybe can see 10 different strategy. The only wrong strategy in Individual sprint is that you sprint from the begining. You have big chances to lose. Ant if that competition that we talking about is Olimpic, you will 100% lose the race. So... pick your strategy and watch the opponents strategy.
@@jpgrygus you have to know that the slow start is not a rule. Its just happens like automatically. Because the athlete know the theory. That is why Cycling Track is so entertaining, cause there are 7 to 10 different discipline in this sport and every single one have different way to ply. If you love speed and power. You can watch time trial, or pursuit. If you want endurance, you can watch another discipline. If you like point competition , you can watch another discipline.
Would get smoked. Remember that Sagan cannot live with the pure road sprinters like Kittel and Cav who have to be able to ride for an entire tour. The pure track sprinters like Kenny are a different beast - like comparing Bolt to Mo Farah.
@@Thewhitekorean BECAUSE YOU WILL BE THE STUPID ATHLETE IN HISTORY OF THIS SPORT IF YOU SPRINT FROM THE BEGINING. You will have 80% chances to lose. Who will be that stupid?? You came to win the race. Not to lose. And you choose to Sprint since the beginning?? OmG. That kind of athlete will never be in world championship. Even not have a chance in the national championship
@@Thewhitekorean ooh.. so that's the case? Sorry. Let me help you then. But my English is bad, I'm trying. The race start from the begining. Its 3 Lap. In cycling track, there are 2 discipline that athlete vs another athlete. Individual Persuit And this video, Individual Sprint. In Indv Persuit, 2 athlete start in the same time, in different corner of the track. So.. the athlete not to worry about strategy. Cause they just sprint as fast as they can. Speed and stamina. The have to maintain that. This is the method if you want to see battle athlete vs athlete from the start. Like sprint in Athletic. There's something in Cycling track that so unique. And make them must start in different cornet of track. You will know this unique in next post..
day 1: intervals or hill reps for 40 minutes day 2: long ride (local group ride - the longer the better) day 3: do a 20 to 30km loop as fast as you can (don't worry about times/average speeds, just go hard) if you dedicate yourself, work hard, eat well, sleep well, stay hydrated and enjoy yourself, you'll improve rapidly without having to do 400-500kms a week like people used to do.
It’s because of drafting. If one rider gets ahead early, the other rider can get in behind him, save energy in the slipstream by drafting, and then use his fresher legs to out-sprint the front rider in the last 200m. This video didn’t do a good job of explaining that….
The lead have to use more power. The enemy just sprint behind him and have 70% less power that the lead. That is why in another discipline of cycling track, you often see maneuver from athletes to switch the lead.
It's because of something called the slipstream. When you move, you push air out of the way so that your body can occupy the space that was once occupied by the air. The faster you move the more air you need to push out the way. If you are the lead rider you have to move the most air out of the way and therefore use the most energy. Because you have already pushed a lot of air out of the way, the rider behind you has less air to push out of the way so they don't have to work as hard to maintain the same speed. This means that when it comes to the final lap, the trailing rider will have a lot more energy left in them and will easily be able to sprint past on the outside. The area behind the lead rider in which this affect occurs is called the slipstream. This is why the men's sprint starts really slow, because the lead rider doesn't want to give the rider behind the benefit of the slipstream. The closer you are to the rider in front the bigger the slipstream affect.
Because it is a 3 lap race...and the rider in 2nd place will be exerting up to 40% less effort than the guy in front due to being in the slipstream....the guy in 2nd would simply wait and then blast past at the right time.
Who the hell would print from begining?? You make 50:50 race became 80% chances to lose. The other athlete just ride behind you and smile. Until the time to action
@@sugiartokahar938the fact is for slipstream to happen perfectly you must be close to the lead rider. If you as the lead rider sprint or maybe go faster than usual right from the start, and the trailing rider could not follow hence the slipstream will not happen, therefore it's just a matter of stamina. Not exactly "ride behind and smile" huh
I still don't really understand the beginning. 3 laps doesn't seem like much. Wouldn't a racer be better off to start in a sprint? If the opponent is going slowly, they'd never catch them?
If they sprint from begining. This lead will be lost 80%. Becasue the enemy just sprint behind him, and save energi. Until 200m full power. The lead will tired at that time
I read somewhere that the rider in the back gets less wind resistance if they’re just behind the one in front, so they save energy for surprise sprint and overtake at the end. It’s my first time watching this cuz of the Olympics and I’m loving it!
@@XenoMarcc Im agree with that in a long distance... but in 3 laps??? theres no time to prepare a big surprise... 🤔 still don't get it... its a short distance, just go!!!
@@AdrianManzo that’s the thing. If the person in front goes full on sprint, the person in the back can maintain the same speed while saving 30% of their energy if they stay in their slipstream. Then in the final lap, they can go use all their energy while the person in front would be more tired cuz more wind resistance. Sprinting for straight 3 laps will eventually cause some fatigue in the final lap for the one who uses more energy
No use, the opponent behind simply slipstream behind you and overtake you while you waste precious energy. At 70km/h the slipstream effect is very important. That's why the cat and mouse chase.
Looking at some sprint footage you would see that the chaser sometime do seem to lag behind a distance and appear disinterested. It's a tactic and most often than not they will cross the finish line neck to neck.
Even if it take a little more time ..just pass ur opponents and sprint fast..if ur opponent way behind how can he cathch..u..rather than doing those tricks to put ur opponents in difficult situation
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Thanks god I found this video as I was about to ask you guys to make one in order to explain this type of race. I watched it yesterday for the first time at Tokyo’s Olympic Games and I was baffled by the behavior of the racers. So weird si funny at the beginning.
Love the props!! someone really put in the work
Someone has done some awesome painting on those little riders - well done!!!
enjoying the track vids, you should feature more of the world track cycling events throughout the year, they are good to watch (but so are the road events)
You left out the most important explanation. Who decides who starts first at the beginning? Looks like advantage is on the trailing rider.
Track Cycling is my Rio discovery, I didn't think it's that cool
Thanks again in 2024 for helping us understand what's going on in Paris! This is a fascinating sport!
Didn't know about the sprinter's line. Can't wait for the vid about the Omnium!
I came from Olympics right through here to understand the competition, so thank you very much
I’m here during Paris game and I’d like to say THANK YOU
Literally me searching for the rules now too 😭
Class as always lads
i knew all that making christmas cards in primary schools would come in useful- look at the quality of that velodrome!
Some rules were missing I think.
What about the rule where once the leading rider drops below the sprinter's line in the last 200m they must stay below that line?
Someone asked why doesn't someone go flat out form the start and stay below the sprinters line, well the trailing rider would draft them, saving energy and sprint pass them in the last half a lap or so.
This is the only part I needed an answer for, tha ks 👌
how do they decide who goes in front at the start?
still dont understand the tactics used. Why doesnt the lead rider at the start go as fast as he can and take the sprinters line? And keep sprinting for the finishing line. Why go slow to let your opponent get in front? sounds ridiculous.
Are you think that no one ever try sprint from beginning??
You are the ridiculous one in here.
In years the history of this discipline, you think that no one try that??
OMG, educated your self dude.
Many athletes do that for strategy, and you have chances 80% to lose if you sprint from the begining..
If you opponent is good at cycling, your chances of lose is 100%.
Why you would you use this strategy if you have 80% chances to lose the race?
@@sugiartokahar938 well, shouldn't YOU be a good rider if you made it to the Olympics?
@@jpgrygus yes.. but every athlete in olimpic is the best from their country.
So you can not sprint from the begining.
That is so stupid
If you wanna watch 2 people race from the start, you should watch another discipline in this sport.
It's called INDIVIDUAL PERSUIT.
That's the battle do you want.
2 men/women. Battle each other from the start.
They start from different cornet of track, so you don't have to care about the opponent strategy. You just have to fast and maintain the stamina.
In Individual Sprint.
The 2 athlete start in the same position of the track. So there will be 2 positions. The lead, and in the back.
The athlete in the back will try to go behind you. Because he will use the advantage from you when you break the air in front.
The lead will take all the air resistant or whatever you called it. I'm not good in english. Something about aerodynamic.
The lead will don't want to the opponent use this. Cause he will be lose the battle.
Its 3 lap. If he sprint, the opponent will have more energy than him self.
So the lead will tray to avoid these in many way.
You will watch 10 race and you maybe can see 10 different strategy.
The only wrong strategy in Individual sprint is that you sprint from the begining.
You have big chances to lose.
Ant if that competition that we talking about is Olimpic, you will 100% lose the race.
So... pick your strategy and watch the opponents strategy.
@@jpgrygus you have to know that the slow start is not a rule.
Its just happens like automatically. Because the athlete know the theory.
That is why Cycling Track is so entertaining, cause there are 7 to 10 different discipline in this sport and every single one have different way to ply.
If you love speed and power. You can watch time trial, or pursuit.
If you want endurance, you can watch another discipline.
If you like point competition , you can watch another discipline.
Matt, didn't they ban track standing? Must keep moving these days (since before last olympics even - can't remember when it was changed).
Who won 1:30 ?
Matt
Great video. Educational. 🚴🚴
Hi From MALAYSIA!
didn't they drop this event from the Olympics this year?
Out of curiosity, how would a guy like Peter Sagan stack up to these guys?
Rubbish tbh, I don't think any road riders would have a chance at higher levels
Would get smoked. Remember that Sagan cannot live with the pure road sprinters like Kittel and Cav who have to be able to ride for an entire tour. The pure track sprinters like Kenny are a different beast - like comparing Bolt to Mo Farah.
In short distance maybe an Olympic bmx racer can come close maybe
That was not an explanation. I came here to gain an insight on WHY they use the tactics they do. Instead, all I got is "ooh it's so very tactical".
Think of it as a tactical warm up that contributes to the race
@@cristiansegovia2078 WHY IS IT TACTICAL TO GO SLOWER
@@Thewhitekorean BECAUSE YOU WILL BE THE STUPID ATHLETE IN HISTORY OF THIS SPORT IF YOU SPRINT FROM THE BEGINING.
You will have 80% chances to lose.
Who will be that stupid??
You came to win the race. Not to lose.
And you choose to Sprint since the beginning?? OmG.
That kind of athlete will never be in world championship.
Even not have a chance in the national championship
@@sugiartokahar938 I think none of us understand the rules that make it smart to go slow at the beginning. Does the race not start at the beginning?
@@Thewhitekorean ooh.. so that's the case?
Sorry.
Let me help you then.
But my English is bad, I'm trying.
The race start from the begining. Its 3 Lap.
In cycling track, there are 2 discipline that athlete vs another athlete.
Individual Persuit
And this video, Individual Sprint.
In Indv Persuit, 2 athlete start in the same time, in different corner of the track. So.. the athlete not to worry about strategy. Cause they just sprint as fast as they can. Speed and stamina. The have to maintain that.
This is the method if you want to see battle athlete vs athlete from the start.
Like sprint in Athletic.
There's something in Cycling track that so unique. And make them must start in different cornet of track. You will know this unique in next post..
Who made you this good? Who? :)
Thanks for the insights.
Nice little riders!
I would be happy if I'd earn 'em :D haha!
Suppose in a 100 lap race. A guy laps the field so he has done 91 laps but the field has done 90. So my question is the remaining laps are 10 or 9?
9 for him 10 for the rest bust most racing like that in a velodrome is scratch racing where the slowest guy falls off at a certain lap
Does anyone have a training plan for a13 year old cyc,lists going out for 3 days a weeks
wtf is a training plan
at that age, you dont need any.. just ride when it you have the motivation!
day 1: intervals or hill reps for 40 minutes
day 2: long ride (local group ride - the longer the better)
day 3: do a 20 to 30km loop as fast as you can (don't worry about times/average speeds, just go hard)
if you dedicate yourself, work hard, eat well, sleep well, stay hydrated and enjoy yourself, you'll improve rapidly without having to do 400-500kms a week like people used to do.
I’m still so confused why the lead is the disadvantage position
It’s because of drafting. If one rider gets ahead early, the other rider can get in behind him, save energy in the slipstream by drafting, and then use his fresher legs to out-sprint the front rider in the last 200m. This video didn’t do a good job of explaining that….
You have 80% chance to lose if you sprint from the begining.
And if you enemy is good at this, you 100% lose
What maximum wattages do sprinters usually reach on the velodrome?
during the accelerations they reach 2000 or more. when they are doing 70 km/h they fade a bit and are doing about 1500.
Thanks! The numbers are incredible ;).
Incredible indeed!
2500W for the very very best guys,
indeed
4th should get a Carbon Fiber 🏅 after all he worked really hard.
I still don't understand 😅 doesnt the one who went first get an advantage since he is at the front??
Nope... in track cycling, the lead is disadvantage ...
The lead have to use more power. The enemy just sprint behind him and have 70% less power that the lead.
That is why in another discipline of cycling track, you often see maneuver from athletes to switch the lead.
If you sprint from start you have 80% chances to lose.
Pleaseee explain keirin
you can see a good keirin explanation video on the uci youtube channel
If the sprint line is advantageous then why doesn't the front rider just ride as fast as they can on the sprint line for the 3 laps?
It's because of something called the slipstream. When you move, you push air out of the way so that your body can occupy the space that was once occupied by the air. The faster you move the more air you need to push out the way. If you are the lead rider you have to move the most air out of the way and therefore use the most energy. Because you have already pushed a lot of air out of the way, the rider behind you has less air to push out of the way so they don't have to work as hard to maintain the same speed. This means that when it comes to the final lap, the trailing rider will have a lot more energy left in them and will easily be able to sprint past on the outside. The area behind the lead rider in which this affect occurs is called the slipstream.
This is why the men's sprint starts really slow, because the lead rider doesn't want to give the rider behind the benefit of the slipstream.
The closer you are to the rider in front the bigger the slipstream affect.
Because it is a 3 lap race...and the rider in 2nd place will be exerting up to 40% less effort than the guy in front due to being in the slipstream....the guy in 2nd would simply wait and then blast past at the right time.
@@fahadislam1849 finally I got the answer. Always thought there's some sorta of rules that prevent the leader to break away or something
Who the hell would print from begining??
You make 50:50 race became 80% chances to lose.
The other athlete just ride behind you and smile. Until the time to action
@@sugiartokahar938the fact is for slipstream to happen perfectly you must be close to the lead rider. If you as the lead rider sprint or maybe go faster than usual right from the start, and the trailing rider could not follow hence the slipstream will not happen, therefore it's just a matter of stamina. Not exactly "ride behind and smile" huh
I still don't really understand the beginning. 3 laps doesn't seem like much. Wouldn't a racer be better off to start in a sprint? If the opponent is going slowly, they'd never catch them?
If they sprint from begining. This lead will be lost 80%.
Becasue the enemy just sprint behind him, and save energi. Until 200m full power. The lead will tired at that time
They're not allowed to track stand in the olympics.
30 secs max I think and not allowed to roll backwards at all.
I looked into it a bit more, and it looks like walking pace minimum for the first lap, after which they can track stand for 30 seconds max.
why not they just acelerate all teh way to win.???.. dont understand
I read somewhere that the rider in the back gets less wind resistance if they’re just behind the one in front, so they save energy for surprise sprint and overtake at the end. It’s my first time watching this cuz of the Olympics and I’m loving it!
@@XenoMarcc Im agree with that in a long distance... but in 3 laps??? theres no time to prepare a big surprise... 🤔 still don't get it... its a short distance, just go!!!
@@AdrianManzo that’s the thing. If the person in front goes full on sprint, the person in the back can maintain the same speed while saving 30% of their energy if they stay in their slipstream. Then in the final lap, they can go use all their energy while the person in front would be more tired cuz more wind resistance. Sprinting for straight 3 laps will eventually cause some fatigue in the final lap for the one who uses more energy
I want to see an instance where someone just goes from the start, to see what happens
Wonder if anyone's trying riding full speed (instead of the cat and mouse antics) for the two laps to try and catch an opponent out.
No use, the opponent behind simply slipstream behind you and overtake you while you waste precious energy. At 70km/h the slipstream effect is very important. That's why the cat and mouse chase.
+Tony Lee I understand this but surely if you caught them off guard they'd never get into your slipstream. Easier said then done I suppose.
pretty sure I remember seeing it done, just can't remember who it was.
Looking at some sprint footage you would see that the chaser sometime do seem to lag behind a distance and appear disinterested. It's a tactic and most often than not they will cross the finish line neck to neck.
That's happened quite a few times
Why do not they just block the overtaker by simply going infront of him so he would not overtake?
Yeah.. you can use that.
Many strategies can be used.
I'm eating a chip sandwich. What's gcns favourite sandwich?
#torqueback
Gel sandwiches
+Cool Dog Lmao!
At first, I though there was a North Korean flag in the middle of the track.
hi ! I'm early :D
It seems that legend of Brits having bad teeth is not just a legend..
Why don't they just go as fast as possible
Because the other would sit on their wheel saving their energy and then out sprinting them in the last moment
The track looks like a giant, smashed doughnut. Then again, your figurines definitely ARE doughnuts. (According to your friends at GMBN)
Damn it I wanted to be first
You didn’t explain anything important which makes me think this event is even more stupid
3rd comment😂😂
Even if it take a little more time ..just pass ur opponents and sprint fast..if ur opponent way behind how can he cathch..u..rather than doing those tricks to put ur opponents in difficult situation