Installing a Sub Panel for Heater & Welder + 50amps in the Garage
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- Installing a Sub-Panel for Heater & Welder - 50 amps - This sub panel will allow me to power my 240v welder and heater. If you're looking how to install a sub-panel this video should give you the general concept.
This subpanel was wired off of my main panel which is 100amp using a 50amp breaker in the main.
The generator I will be installing is the predator 9500 that will be used for some mobile welding and for home power backup. I will be installing a generator transfer switch soon.
#electrical #generators #diy
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Get a few ground rods driven and connected into the ground bar, as it's Code required for a properly grounded system being a detached structure subpanel installation.
You are most welcome. Glad that you're subscribership went through the roof.Im glad to be apart of your channel. Good luck going forward. 👍👍👍
Thank you Paul!!
We need to do this in our garage. hank you for sharing your wisdom with us.
God Bless and Protect you and your Family!!!
You are way better than me. On my projects, I measure once and cut three or four times. Nice job, I can feel the heat. Take Care, Stay Safe and Be Kind...
Hehehe thanks Willis
Great vid... You are doing exactly what I did.. Upgrading.. I wish I would've went big right off the bat.. I always have an electrician (good friends) check my work and Ive saved several thousand dollars.. Once you go 220 on the welding you'll never go back!! Keep up the good work
Im with ya. Thank you. And yes 220 is the way to go I agree :-) Hope you are doing well!
@@NickPixelTV Doing well thank you!!
This is exactly what I needed to do my shop. Thanks I subscribed.
Thanks SB98 appreciate that!
You are very kind. Thank you for your inputs. We have common points:handy, technical, like things well done, etc.
Great info Nick. Thank you
Good job Nick. It will help you out. Soon you’ll need an addition on your shop
You aren’t kidding Doug! When the time is right ;)
Thank You!! Just what I needed to see before I started. Finished today all good.
You've got the power :-)
I have the same box he is using here and it helped me tremendously with hooking up a sub panel from the Square D disconnect meter box. Now to find how to run from the sub back to the meter box
Thank you man I’ve been looking high and low for a good video straight to the point is very informative
Thank you my friend. Hope it was helpful
Hi Nick always great to watch you. Great vid. On electrical. Great job. God bless brother.
Thank you my friend. Trying to get caught up over here lol
There's that humility again.
Great job brother, keep up the good works and bless you always and forever.
Thank you appreciate it!
Very helpful. You seem like a great guy. this video helped me with my sub panel instal. Thanks!
Happy to help! Be safe and thanks for being here.
Lookin good buddy! You did yourself a good “ Service “ . Sorry I couldn’t help myself! hehehe😂 good to see you on the live feed last night! Give Katie our love and take care❤️
Thanks my friend! Comedy guy now eh? Always great to see you both in the stream. :-))
Fun video man, great job!
Thank you Carlos, hope it was helpful to you 💪
NICE WORK NICK
Thank ya my friend
Just finished putting a 100 amp sub feed to my pump house! Getting to old to dig ditches by hand!haha 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏🙏🙏
If i was close i would have brought ya a ditch witch :)) thanks SM
@@NickPixelTV thanks buddy, we a little too far apart!
Nick I was up in PA picking up a power-saw a few weeks back on I-70 below Pittsburgh. Was thinking about ya.
Nick you are just like me. I get the heat working after winter is over :-)
I know, I know, I do the same thing Nick. I tell everyone I was really working on the welder and just put the heater up why I was at it :D
Great video, I will ya in the next one friend.
Now about that YT bell. What the heck is going on here? youtube?? ...I don't know...click, click ...why is not like a old rusty Ford? ...click, click
Diggin the Miller!!!!
I like Miller welders. That’s what I ran all my years at Bath Iron Works. We ran feeders off from inverters. Most of the inverters were 354’s. I would LOVE to be able to get a new 354 inverter and feeder and harness but I just ain’t got that kind of money right now lol. Plus some 💩 head stole my new husqvarna 565 with a 32 inch bar on it. Oh well it is what it is. I saw a ford very similar to your black one the other day. It was a 4x4 half ton straight cab. It said “camper special”. It had the most leaf springs I’ve ever seen in a half ton. It only had a 300 6 with a 4 speed. I about 💩 myself when he found out it had 4:56 gears. My buddy is gonna use it for a plow truck. I’ll get a pic and email it so you can see it. Sorry for rambling!! Nice job bud and as always WORK SAFE 🇺🇸🇺🇸😎😎
You can ramble anytime my friend. Someone stole your saw? Unreal. Def email me the pic of that truck very cool.
great vid. Inspired me to take on my welder service install. Hopefully your heater will be aimed in a direction as to NOT blow and disrupt your welders shielding gas!!!
Nice job. Explained well.
Thanks Will
Thanks for the video. Great information.
Thank you Terry
We just put a box in the barn/shed like that. Good show..!!! 😎👍👌
Thank you Anna. Appreciate your time here
Great job- thank you for the information
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for being here
I enjoyed it. Great job 👏
Thank you Kevin
Nice work sir.👍👊
Thank you Chris!!
That was great, thank you for sharing.
Hey thank you for watching. I hope it was helpful. Will have more soon. Happy New Year!
sweet. Exactly what I needed to know. Thanks a loot
Glad it helped! You're Welcome
Awesome content
Good video brother, I'm not a fan of electrical. But it saves money from having someone do it.
Staying safe and stay positive ❤
Great to hear from you Sid, I hope you are doin well my friend
Tu eres el mejor en esplicar todo paso a paso le agradesco su profecionalismo. Me gustaria que hisiera uno en español para conpartirlo
Con mi familia
Now let's see the generator :)
The wife sounded thrilled to help
geezus. these guys like the sound of theyre own voice. I keep looking for videos that just give the bullet points since I know a little electrical also. 5 minutes have gone by and he has not said anything I'm looking for nor has he got started. and all these videos want us to like or subscribe... I haven't even seen anything I like within 5 minutes to even like the video, more or less subscribe. ill keep looking .
There are more that don’t know than do. Since we’re critiquing. I’m thinking less time with negative comments = more time to find what you need in a video no? 👨🏻💻
@@NickPixelTV I always have time to speak my mind.
Great video!! can you show the part to see what you did on main panel? Also link to the sub panel to buy it ? Cheers and thanks again
Good job…..thank u
I've watched many 'sub panel' install videos by certified electricians; none of those videos were as helpful as this one (with the exception of possibly needing a grounding rod)
Man i appreciate your tine and comment here!
A little late for most but if you have to dig for the service cables just use at least 2inch conduit you can run what ever you need through it at just about any time ya overkill for a 30 Amp but perfect for a 100 to 200 Amp in the future
Enjoyed you video. I'm going to check out your other videos too. Is there a need to have a ground wire from a grinding rod on this install?
Thanks in my case there was no need (check your local ordinances etc) because it is fed from my house to the house ground I do have one if for when I power with my generator that I will use from time to time. Thanks
I’m Amped Up Now
Thanks for the video helped me out tremendously. What brand/model sub panel box did you use?
Hey Christopher, Thank you my friend. Its a Square D sub panel. I will have to check on the model its been some time. but I believe I picked it up from lowes and or home depot.. im thinking lowes.
ground? where to from the new box / bus bar?
All the way to Mi.... 🤣🤣👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hey Nick, Great video! I've watched about 2 dozen and this one has helped me the most so far. So Thank you for that. So heres what we have going on. We have a main pole that has 200 amp service to it. We have a shed that is about 350 to 400 feet away and we'd like to install a sub panel to feed an A.C. and a fridge. I think I need a 50 amp breaker at the main box then run #6 UF wire to the sub panel which will have two 15 amp breakers, one to feed an outlet for the A.C. and one to feed the outlet for the fridge. Does this sound like the right set up? Also would I need to worry about voltage drop or would this set up enable The A.C. and fridge to run without fault even with voltage drop. I have literally just started to learn about all this in the last week. Treat me like a toddler when answering please. haha
Hello, thank you for the kind comment. I have some travel next day or so let me gather some thoughts to help you with this. The distance here will make a difference in your project.
@@NickPixelTV You're welcome... Hope your travels went well. Any thoughts on this now that you have had a few days?
You will need 3-3-3-3 minimum. For that distance.
Any unprotected wire will need to be covered up or be ran through conduit. Also I’m garages you need gfci.
Awesome video. I am running power to a small shop I built. What is the brand of the transfer switch you installed? Most 50 amp panels don’t have that many breaker slots. Would appreciate any info. Keep up the great work.
Darren, i believe it is a square D from lowes item number 3946 i will have to double check the transfer switch i can get you the model in the am ;)
Nice work! I just purchased a 7500 watt garage heater that I want to install but I don't have a 220/240 outlet. I have a subpanel in my detached garage that's about 30 feet away from my house with a 2 pole 40 amp breaker and 4 single pole 20 amp breakers in the subpanel. I pulled the cover and I noticed that the 40 amp breaker wasn't connected at all and one of the 20's was connected to 1 of the 120v outlets. I'm going to run that single outlet together with the other outlets on the left side of my garage and use that breaker for my garage door opener. I purchased everything that I need for the 220/240v outlet but I'm skeptical because my main breaker is only 100 amps and the wire coming from my house to the garage looks like it's 8 gauge. And I was told that I needed a 50 amp breaker for my heater (which I purchased) because it would draw a little over 31 amps on start-up. So would I be ok running that 50 amp breaker with my main only being 100 amps? Thanks and again nice work! #subscribed
How do you get 220 from the 240, explain that please
@@robertstack2144 I don't understand your question.
Actually I have to make a correction to my comment....I recently moved into my home and apparently I didn't pay enough attention that my main breaker does have a 200 amp service panel in the basement but I also have a 100 amp service panel on the first level. So I can run my heater in the subpanel in the garage with no issues and then again for the video.
@@bunky021543 there is no longer 220 in America.70 years ago yes, then the power reqmts went up so they changed taps on xfmrs to 230, years later again to 240. Remember if you want more Power P it comes from the Voltage V multiplied by amperage I..... P = I X V. So if you want more P you have to have more I or V. Do you and most Americans want to re-wire your house with bigger diameter wire to accomodate more amperage (I) or have electric company move the transformer taps to a higher voltage, that is much cheaper than you rewiring your house.That wasn't hard was it. Ask older folks if they remember talking about 220, 230 and 240. And guess what. Your TV, vacuum cleaner, drill motor, the kind the old timers plugged into the wall outlets did run on 110 then 115, and then today 120 today. Where did those numbers and voltages come from. Put a tap in the middle of the secondary and ground it, then beween the neutral ground and each end of the secondary you get 120 VAC. DIVIDE 220, 230, & 240 by 2 ...you get 110, 115 and 120. VOILA
@@robertstack2144 I know there isn't a 220 I just made the statement because a some people still say 220 that aren't familiar with 240. I have a 240v 7500w garage heater, 8/2 romex, and a 40 amp 2 pole breaker for the subpanel in my garage for the install and I only made my comment based on what size service panel that I thought I had that's all lol nice history lesson and explanation though!
Excelent ⭐Job
Thank you!!
Nice Video man! Quick question before you did the upgrade could you run a small ac unit in the garage with that 30 amp sub panel?
Yes sir a window unit or like a home portable would of worked fine without the upgrade i ran one circuit for lights and one for plugs but my led lights use so minimal
Is the bare wore just to a cooper rod?
Nick. I have recently bought a house with detached garage that has 10/3 out of main with 30amp to a sub panel in the garage with two 15a single pole circuits for lights / garage door opener. I am wondering if I can add a 30amp 10-30 for EV charging in that sub. (It has room for more breakers ). The ev would pull max 22a with that 10-30 plug. Thoughts ?? Changing the wire to the garage would be a pain to make it 8/3 or 6/3 so I could do a 40 or 50 in the main panel to feed the garage sub.
How far away is your house from garage? (Only concern would be voltage drop). From the sounds of your comment - Your buried 10-3 is protected by the 30 amp breaker in the house. (If you draw over 30 amps total in the garage) the breaker in the house will trip thus protecting downstream. So you should be able to install a 30 amp breaker in garage out to the charger and keep your two 15 breakers but i would only run say lights and such if you’re charging to stay under the 30amp draw and to prevent the breaker from heating up or getting close to a trip. (Always double check with your local codes etc and if your concerned have an electrician double check your work before you go live) but you shouldn’t have a problem with 22amp. Hope this helps you out. Thank you for the comment and time here
@@NickPixelTV wow. That was quick!! Thank you!! Garage is about 50’ from house and he did 10/3 to a box in the attached house garage. Then transitioned to a much thicker underground cable to the sub panel in the garage. In fact I think it’s a 6/4 or something. One lead not used. But yeah. Then in the remote garage there are two 15a single breaker s. I think I’ll shut that whole leg off and open the sub to see if I can tell what that buried wire is. The previous owner was an electrician!!! 😂
Thanks for the video! I'm trying to do something similar here. Trying to run 220 to my basement from the garage where my main panel is.
My question is, Does it matter how many amps Im installing in the sub panel? I noticed you have a 50 amp breaker feeding your new panel. But you have a 30amp + 40 amp breakers in the sub panel.... the math doesnt add up in my head.
The breakers in the sub panel are protecting the wires that go out of sub panel to devices. For example if you have in your main panel a 50 amp breaker you would run number 6 to your sub panel, if the sub panel has two 30 amp breakers and you were to actually try and pull 60 amps the 50amp breaker in your main would trip protecting the number 6 wire that feeds the sub panel. I hope this helps
@@NickPixelTV Thanks for the reply! I got it now. I may be maxing out my amps with computer equipment! I appreciate it!
Does white have to be hooked up from main panel. If you are not using it ? Great video !
I believe you may want to check with your jurisdiction on this. I think and I could be wrong that most residential will require a 220v sub panel to have white (neutral) hooked up. Also if you ever plan on running a 110v circuit in your panel like I am you will need it. Hope this helps
Definitely hook up your neutral
Have a 50amp braker that was used for my old stove. Can I use that wire to run a sub to my garage? Also can I just run a 20am plug and 2 15s?
Im just now seeing this my apologies just make sure its #6 wire and then have your 20 and 2 15’s or even two 20’s or 3 you’re protected by the 50amp breaker that feeds the sub
Is your install according to NEC code. I have two 20 amp circuits ( through a sub panel) already running to my garage but I want to install another 240 volt 50 amp electric vehicle charging station circuit circuit through underground conduit to its own sub panel in my garage so I can have a local disconnect. It’s seems similar to your installation but I can’t get any straight answers to whether or not it is code.
i think they change that code book once every 3 or 5 years....
little changes here and there mostly....
but also local code's have different demands also...
get a hold of an updated code book and read up on your situation and then decide if you want to contact local electrical inspector.
I have a tricky multiple choice question, hopefully someone can with more knowledge can help me out
A White/grey wire in a feeder circuit ________:
A)Be bonded or have a circuit breaker
B)Is the largest wire in that circuit
C)Should not have a voltage to ground
My notes:
On the main panel, neutral is connected to the bar that is BONDED with the panel, the green grounding wire is also connected to the same bar. (so does that mean the answer is A?)
In the sub panel, the neutral wire is connected to the neutral bar which is ISOLATED from the metal box with plastic between them, the Green grounding wire is separated and is connected to its own bar that is bonded to the sub panel box.
In the circuit that this question applies to,
--------- “The neutral wire is going to be sized larger than the Green grounding wire”
(But that doesn’t mean it’s the LARGEST in the circuit right? Because the two hot wire could be the same size)
--------"The neutral should have no potential difference(voltage) to the ground" (does that mean the answer is C?)
My brother in law ran water lines and electricity to my garage where my parents live. The problem is that when my mom turns on microwave and minisplit ac it trips the breaker and also a combination of other appliences.
The garage has a lot of outlets and I think they are on a 20amp breaker with a 14 gauge romex cable and brother in law also got electricity from the exiating 220 0r 240 outlet in garage to add more stuff. When breaker trips the whole power goes out in garage and also in kitchen of the main house. I think circuit is overloading.I was thinking of adding a 60amp circuit to main box and running a new line to garage and in garage add one of this boxes Eaton Corporation Br816L125Fdp 6 Circuit Main Lug Load Center, 125-Amp???
Also will I need to cancell all existing outlets and start from
I know this comment is a year old, but for anyone else facing something similar. 14 gauge (14-2) wire is only rated for 15amps. If your brother-in-law put a 20 amp or higher breaker on 14-2 wire, this is a fire hazard. If the breakers are flipping, then increasing the amperage of the circuit is NOT the solution, but how you would burn your house down. Essentially to solve you problem, you need to have the garage lights on their own circuit, the garage outlets on their own circuit, the microwave needs to be on its own circuit, and you should probably put the fridge on its own circuit. It sounds like your brother-in-law just tapped into the kitchen circuit and ran it out to the garage. Probably not the best idea given both areas often use high amperage devices (blenders, microwaves, coffee machines, saws, welders, etc.).
Hope that helps.
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When do the welding tutorials start?😊
Tutorials now Casterman you really want me to work hahaha :-)
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Anytime my friend :-) Always great to see you here!
I'm not an electrician but I was confused about the red tape? Aren't both the white and black hot?
Yeah you can use red or black i just did red. If it was a 3 way switch where you’re using white as hot black tape is typically used.
I'm trying to do this with a 6/2 wire. Basically two lines and a ground because it was a run for a car charger. Can I do basically what you did without a neutral?
You would need 6-3 to use 120v
@@NickPixelTV right but if I only want 240v no neutral from the panel is that ok? Does it break any code?
@@Richardsumilang im not quite sure on the codes as they vary from location to location if your running direct like line to load for your 240v device shouldnt be a problem. If your planning on having 120v lights and such thats where it would be needed. If you already have a circuit for that then you should be good I would check your with your local codes as far as compliance. If i was putting in a new panel and new work i would use 6/3 to cover all basis. I hope this helps you
Why is the white wire not used when installing a 240?
It returns through the opposite hot because they are 180 out of phase.
Can you help me just bought a house the garage has three 15 amp circuits and one 20 amp circuit. I want to run 220 also. The inspector said there is a jumper wire that is improper.
Justin, What is the the feed wire size that runs from house to garage and does it run to a sub panel? How many amps is your main panel? How many amps do you want in your garage?
@@NickPixelTV I do not know the wire size but the house panel is a 100 amp and the sub panel is in the garage. The Garage has the 4 fuses. I think it's a 50 amp sub panel? Appreciate you replying
Can I send you a picture of the box somehow??
@@Justin-bb7oi my email is on my about page ;)
@@Justin-bb7oi it sounds to me like the wire youll need between the panels is a similar setup to mine make sure its #6 wire between the panels you would have a 50 amp breaker in your main panel then the #6 feeds the sub panel in which case you can break that down to your 15’s or 20’s or even a 30amp for your 220. With a 100amp main in your house youll want to be cognizant of big devices pulling power so that you don’t trip the main.
Do you prefer a qo sub panel ?
For the most part I go for whatever matches up with what I have laying around. I havent had any problem with these so far
Hey do you need to install a new ground rod (outdoor) and connect the ground to it?
What tool is that at 16:40 to tell if there is power?
Klein Voltage Tester :-)
Can you add 2 power inlets into the box. For example 30 amp 120 and a 50 amp 240 to increase the total power inside the box
No
Why was the white/neutral not used?
On 220 you only have 2 hots typically black to breaker red to breaker and a ground on 110 you would have black to breaker white (neutral) and ground
Thanks for taking the time to reply
@@montimitchell5931 not a problem ;) thanks for being here
I went to Home Depot today to browse the sub panels. The worker told me that if the panel is a 125amp panel I have to wire it to be a 125.
But I noticed in your video you’re feeding it 50amp from your main. Was the hone depot guy wrong?
I am feeding my panel with a 50amp breaker from the home, so its protected if you are feeding with 125amp or say 100amp breaker then you would need to match your feedline to that. I only needed 50amp.
@@NickPixelTV I think I get it. I only need 50 or 60amp in my garage. But the home depot guy told me I couldn’t use a 125amp box. I need to power 2 - 240 circuits and 2 - 120 circuits.
@@NickPixelTV I guess my question is can I feed 50amp from my main to a sub panel that is a 125amp sub panel?
@robmespeedy The Home Depot guy did not understand. If a panel says 125 amps, that means the manufacturer has rated the bus bars (they are 3 bars in the back of the panel that the breakers latch onto) can have a 125 amp draw on them without over heating. This is it's MAXIMUM. But there is no reason you can't put a 100 amp (or lower) breaker as the main disconnect, it just means you now have a 25 amp headspace on the panel.
@@davidmarquardt9034i totally get it now. Thank you so much.
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it might help to see if your camera has a manual focus or some kind of focus hold setting so it doesnt focus from you and back to what your doing constantly. if not it might help to invest in a camera with manual focus. distracting to see the focus jumping around all over the place.
I have like 10 cameras this was a run and gun get the job done kinda day.. autofocus is terrible. But i know what you’re getting at.
As far as the main 2 hots and neutral where is the ground from? The same 6/3 line or what
Yes there is a Ground in the 6/3 back to panel
are you welding in your shed, wouldn't that start a fire?
Just gotta be careful
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I miss you bill I hope you are doing well my friend!!!
Good video, but I must say, it made me cringe when I saw you touching wires inside the panel box.
Thanks. The other end of the feed was sitting in my yard and wasn’t connected to main panel yet so there was no worries I did that last ;)
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Good video. But you talk to much out of the context
Is that a 100 amp panel? I'm looking for 50 amp panel but its only showing 2 spaces
Yes I believe so - square d from lowes. If you want the spaces id just go with that and then use your 50 amp as main feeding it.
Great video man! Nice work!
Thank you Christopher