Get to know Jesus FOR YOURSELF! Read your Bible and stop idolizing people. We are all imperfect being and will never be perfect and God doesn't expect us to be perfect. Have a personal relationship with God and realise that God LOVES EVERYONE and His word is The ONLY truth. John 14: 6
Dayumm. By the way, I'm making a sand animated visual album over at my channel about my faith. If you want an honest personal album, you're invited to see it
My husband learned more about Christ from the band members of Korn than he did sitting in pews at church. We need people of different backgrounds with the means and the voice to reach others.❤🙏☮
I love this,although this is only one side of the Christian music industry because black Christian music is a whole other ball game with its history behind it and why it sounds the way it sounds
I wrote some worship songs that i cared about when i was a hyper-churchy teen, i was a youth group kid, a church camp attending believer, and then a leader, but my parents were more agnostic, but encouraged me to explore whatever i liked. I had the secular experines that alot of my church friends didn't have. My parents preached safe sex not abstinence, my mum was the head of our house, etc. I was always encouraged to share my experiences, how i used to drink and smoke until i found Jesus, and that my testimony was more moving because i chose God without being born into a church. This sentiment was immediately back-peddled when i wrote some songs and asked to sing them at church, i sang in the evening (the younger service) church band, and my bandmates loved them, but the hugher ups said no. I never got a great answer, just some bs about how it wasn't theologically sound, but now that im 20, that i left that church, got sucked into Hillsong then left when i realised it was a money-sucking cult, and have 3 years of college under my belt, i realise my lyrics weren't on-brand enough for the church. It wasn't about purity, or being a worm, it was about the personal love i have between myself and our Lord, and that we are all perfect, that even our mistakes are written, and that we are loved. I wrote about real experiences, things i thought my peers could relate to, and they did, but only my inner circle could ever hear them. My fav song that i wrote was about how even through all the temptations and all my failure, i am still loved, and even if i'm not successful by earthy standards, i'm perfect in God's eyes. One day, when im not so self-conscious, when i find a church again that feels like home, maybe ill share them. I know God wanted me to write those songs in my heart, but for now, i'll keep singing them in the shower. (side note: i hate the term progressive Christian, we are called to love, to forgive, not to judge, but here i am doing that, and some people think its some crazy new idea)
hey!! fellow christian here :) glad to hear you have found peace with God and yourself in life. keep running the good race brother, God be with you and hopefully you'll to find a good, loving, Word-based and safe community my man
No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. I'm sorry that the church you attended wouldn't give you a clear answer about what they thought wasn't sound doctrine. They should have given you scripture, or maybe they don't know any. Keep writing and reading scripture and keep allowing the word of God to fill your heart. You will have a lot of songs of praise for what God is doing in your life to share.
Would you be willing to share your songs on TH-cam? I would rather listen to Christian songs based on realistic journeys to God than mainstream "Christian" music. As Natoka said, no one is perfect, yet God still accepts imperfect people who are willing to live for Him. Please continue to use your experience as a testimony to God's greatness!
The disappointing thing about this conversation is that worship has been minimized to a performance based (appearance, using the right wording, wearing the right clothing, etc.) act when worship is actually our expression/response to who God is. We need to return back to biblical worship which actually has nothing to do with us and everything to do with Him.
Do you mean not lead by capitalism and corporations, or do you mean worship should go back to not using "the devils instruments" (as some denominations call it) and just be singing by itself?
@Hayden Howard that's one artist and a member of a group you mentioned, out of 4 decades of history. And Lecrae is definitely marketed as a rap artist. Many gospel artist have talked about their frustration of not being marketed/accepted as CCM artists by their label and the industry. CCM is lacking a diverse representation, arguably that's the mainstream music industry period.
i think it depends on what you count as ccm. all of my favourite christian music artists recently are black but i will admit that i’m not talking about the most well known christian bands (not that i can name a single individual in those bands though)
Thank you so much. As a black man who is LGBTQ+ I needed to hear and see this. I’ve survived a lot of things in my life including the pain of church not accepting me for my true identity.
This video points out how cookie-cutter some of this “worship” music is! - it’s perfect hypocrisy… very little of it is actually from the heart. Music is a gift, one to be shared with other musicians in a group setting where all instruments are creating together, a sound unique to those musicians. Cookie cutter garbage doesn’t reflect that at all - it only demonstrates blind faith and blind following.
Cookie-cutter? It can be. All music follows a predictable formula. Consider Fanny Crosby. Most of her songs were cliched; all of them were sincere; some of them were great; most of them today are forgotten. There's always the struggle between the old music, the new music, and deciding what we keep and what we discard. Cookie-cutter or not, a song is good if it has meaning for you, if you make it part of your inner repertoire. If it resonates with enough of us, the song survives--at least for a while, until it's overtaken by music from the next generation. It's a process...
Its no advance or comfort but this music has caused me to despise mention of the word worship and what these people think it entails. I want churches not worship spaces and spirit and truth not CCM.
I'll listen to bands like silent planet and wolves at the gate who make music with both sound theology and lyrical creativity. They have songs that relate in such a real way to situations that the mainstream Christian music won't ever go near. One song I heard by silent planet that was crazy to think about was written from the perspective of a believer who struggled with Paranoid Schizophrenia and the rhetorical question that was posed was pretty much, "does God have grace on those who cannot truly be changed by behavioral adjustments?" It really started to make me think about people with debilitating mental illnesses and the depth of God's grace. In my opinion, (and that is all that it is) I believe we need more of that kind of message that gets the listener to consider deeper questions about the character of God.
I never saw people look more like mindless zombies or talk like mentally ill.patients than in some of these videos where they sing CCM . They are not real about faith or the Kingdom they are lost in worthless delusions and I find it all beyond considerations. Theyre now going into pubs and night clubs where they will seem respected and respectable. TBN and Songs of Praise are portals to this horrifying behaviour.
The worst music in the world is CCM and choirs singing gospel and spirituals ..its quite probable that if David sang any of it to the suffering Saul.he would die rather than recover from his sickness. Theres nothing Christian in bellowing every cliche since time began and talking about slavery instead of anything else which oppresses all men and turning perfomances into the Bibles answer to the Flying Pickets or muttering contradictory nonsense because you think that Christs Mother knew nothing of who He was and other such comedy routines that dont open the Bible ever. In short I long for the silence of heaven where demented musicians wont have me believe that Angels roar at Jesus Our King. They sure as nothing do not in my understanding.
god there is such a repeating theme of men harassing women for being "too sexual" when its not even remotely related to being sexual. If that doesnt show that the men are the real problem then idk what will
In Christian music, women vilify women as much if not more than men... Many women had issues with Lauren Daigle wearing a so called revealing dress... Same with Erica Campbells from a Mary Mary💯 This isn't even a men women thing... It's also a women thing.... In the music industry too...
The issue with embracing homosexuality in Christian music is that it is sin, just like my struggle with substance abuse is a sin. A sinner is what we naturally are, and us trying to create a"Christianity" that conforms to our way of being instead of us obeying Christ and trying to surrender our will to his is a subversion of His lordship. If you are a homosexual, I'm not going to pretend to know your struggle. I know it's gotta be hard. Surendering to God is hard. It's hard for me to surrender my heterosexual sin to Christ, but truth doesn't change based on how someone feels. Not for me or for you.
In my view, some Christian music artists can fall into the trap of pride, and instead of simply sharing their faith in songs, they begin to acquiesce to the world, and the individual pursuit of fame, and wealth. Some contemporary Christian artists emulate rock standards and their Stage performances are no different than a secular concert. The lyrics become hardly noticeable, and the focus turns to themselves, not the Lord. We live in an age of great apostasy and immorality, and Christian musicians have the opportunity to reach the lost with a music ministry. It would be better, in my opinion, to record and play Christian music and share these songs on the internet, but not to seek it as a path to recognition and money. Better to just get an ordinary job to make a living, and consecrate the music ministry to the Lord. Stay humble, walk by faith, live out your Christian life simply.
@@charlesellsworth9539 I doubt it...those who attend those shows just want to be entertained...they are all victims of Christian Music...its all about the money, and self-aggrandizement.
Absolutely why I feel wierd to some songs. Never had the words for it. I thought how could that be this is Christian music. I k we I only like songs that give me joy and peace and strength. Well mostly.
We are all unworthy. But repent and turn from the sinful life we live. Jesus said to the prostitute "go sin no more". He didnt say "I accept your lifestyle choice .... I understand ..... go on doing what makes you happy"
I rolled my eyes into another dimension when she described being blamed for making her "Christian brothers stumble in faith" BC SHE SHOWED AN INCH OF SKIN WTF
I would spam these guys with female kpop vids just to trigger them. th-cam.com/video/fqR2HGkjFCA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/q6f-LLM1H6U/w-d-xo.html For the closeted guys: th-cam.com/video/Queo2h3zdA4/w-d-xo.html Some people just aren't used to anything and blame others for their own feelings.
I once got "moral checked," before going bon stage coz I was the scarlet letter girl in that church. While on stage this pure girl was wearing a white dress that was skin tight and as she sang and dance and got spiritual and sweaty my friend started noticing that her dress got really see through and she was wearing a red thong and bra-lette inside and the whole church saw and it even went on TH-cam line that. Problem was; I got blamed and my friend through association coz our "impurity" caused all that. I'm blind, no matter how sinful I got, I was never going to influence some visual sexual innuendo or sin in someone else like that, I struggle with that concept in dressing myself too, she should have known better. And that's how I decided to not be a preacher anymore.
@@availanila I am very sorry you were put in that position. But in the end, we're not there for the people but for Jesus only. If others want to focus on the sins of their neighbor before their own, then how are they supposed to "cleanse others" without cleansing themselves first in the name of Christ? Please, do not let that discourage you. It hurts my soul to see church members judging others before themselves, *but* the enemy navigates like a roaring lion in the places containing the BEST elements (followers) who threaten all evil. Stay safe. What we are seeing today in the world is not taking place without a reason. God bless you and your family both blood and spiritual! May the Lord give you strength and peace in the midst of all conflict
Two things: the crass commercialism of the Christian music industry is actually physically sickening, as in it makes me feel like I've got something squirming inside. Understand people, whether it be artists, producers, techs, whoever, need to be paid for their work but something is rotten here. Every time I think of this "let's build up an image that the artist really doesn't reflect and sell God for a profit" makes me think of Jesus flipping over the money tables. Is this much different than that? 2: If someone asking questions makes you write them off without even considering those questions, the problem is with you and not them. This is becoming far too common in all sorts of places today. Why can't people have a discussion? What makes anything intrinsically off-the-table for conversation? This unwillingness to even listen is how you end up with insular communities of people with almost exactly the same thoughts who hate every other group.
Yes , agreed and thanks for addressing that issue..I too get that sick feeling (the Holy Spirit discernment ) and was concerned for my teenage/ now adult family not having quality ,uplifting Christian music to listen to,,bad a busted family they have slowly left the faith & absorbed into the secular system workplace
True, except in the next line you're exulting in your special relationship with the most powerful being in the universe, so, from a self-esteem perspective, it evens out. After all, most of those who claimed the divine right to wrest the United States from the people who lived there also sang "I'm not worthy" on Sundays.
Because that's the whole point. If we were worthy, then Jesus' death was pointless. That's the whole point of Grace: receiving something we could not otherwise obtain ourselves. Granted, there are more creative ways to portray this in worship music. But if we think we are worthy, that defeats the whole purpose
@@isabellacosby3339 sadly people still beleive that myth. Those test keep destroying women's lives around the globe but especially in third world countries.
"For me, music is about finding community through shared human experiences, when a song gives voice to something you thought that no one else could possibly understand." I LOVE this, Grace! Personally, for me-- especially as I was ending my teen years and entering my twenties-- this was Elliott Smith. His songs really spoke to struggles myself and those I knew were going through, such as: existential angst, addiction, love +loss, depression, anxiety, introversion, wearing a mask around others, etc. I had never felt so understood in my life. The feeling to understand and be understood is a beautiful thing. Especially as, he's not with us anymore. Yet, his music and lyrics transcend time and speak to the human existence, especially to those of us who have struggled/ are struggling with addiction to street druqs.
Yeah, I listen to music concerning those things. I love emo music however, there are two different effects that emo music and music that is praising and worshiping God has on me. Music that praises and worship God makes me forget about my issues and gives me a higher perspective where as emo music keeps me in the midst of my issues. I simply appreciate the poetic license in this kind of music. However however there are frequencies in music, and at some point I end up feeling more annoyed and drained by listening to this kind of music for a while. It is literally coming from the lower levels of hell in my opinion, because the reason why emo kids or former emo kids struggle with those emotions, is because we're literally sitting in the gates of hell. This is the reason why the Angels sing in heaven all the time to the Father. The frequency is higher, because it comes straight from Heaven. Most of the reasons for all those mental issues is because you praise yourself too much. It's because you focus too much on the problems that you have, and that you don't give your problems to God. He said cast your cares on Him because He cares for you. Most the time we spend our time worrying, when God asked us if worrying will add a day onto our lives? If you actually do what God tells you to do, you will not have mental illness, so when God takes that mental illness from you, from doing the things he tells you, of course you're going to want to praise and worship him. The Angel in heaven understand the value of God, where mankind does not, so thus if you don't have the understanding of how valuable God is, you're not going to understand why Christian music praises him. All your music will be dedicated to you.
The starter packs had me dying 🤣 Worship is hard for me right now. Not only cause most worship music played in church is boring and formulaic, but also it is tough when you know how organized a worship service is. My husband was in the worship band and they would control every move he made onstage. "Don't lift your hands to worship here at the beginning. But once the chorus hits raise your hand. Close your eyes during this part" etc. It was so strange and now I always wonder if those leading worship are actually worshipping or thinking "oh yeah I must look really into it right now". That, plus some band members being in it for personal fame instead of wanting to serve God/church, is why we left that church.
My parents constantly asked me why aren't there more "Christian songs" on my phone. This video helped me realized why - that the music has always been bland, formulaic. Give me a song that is musically or lyrically interesting and I'll listen.
Christian music is SO similar and identifiable, when a Christian song breaks into top 40 I can IMMEDIATELY tell it's a worship song before I ever hear the reference to God (the ones that hit top 40 are always veeerry removed from that doctrine language).
My sister had a christian song in her playlist of non christian music and i was instantly able to point it out before the artisit even started singing bc it all sounds so alike
My mom had a Christian song in Spanish playing through her TV one time (we're Hispanic, btw), when my boyfriend (who doesn't speak Spanish) was dropping me off back home and then he said: "Is that Christian music? I was like "How did you know that?" He said: "Because Christian music sounds the same."
Being in a Christian church is toxic if they think you're built wrong. I joined a Born-Again Christian church when I was 20, and I was invited by an artist that I admired. It was great at first, the music really inspired me, and through the songs, I was able to understand I was loved by God. But I got out there as fast as I can cos the people are just too much for me. I have retained my faith, but I don't believe I have to stay with those people to talk to Him.
The question isn’t the problem, its the fact that “you are complicit in the exclusion.” Well put! And bravo, Jars of Clay. They are the one Christian band I actually had a CD from. Proud of them!
@@boofy2445 why is why she is into them. Lead singer openly admitting he doesn't care about scripture, which btw is the only thing that can save you. Not just that but scripture is also known as the word of God. to say you don't care is just spitting in his face, and then you can yourself, " Christian band." That's why you were dropped, being pro lgbt is just icing on the cake. And he wasn't just asking questions, just look it up. It's simple really, want inclusion? go to pop or anything mainstream accepted. Of course there's a reason why the devil and his posse want to corrupt christian music.
this was really interesting, but I think a BIG part of the missing story is race - gospel music was invented by Black people, and the overwhelming whiteness of popular Christian music is not a neutral fact! I would love to see you guys expand this story to include that!
I was just about to make a comment about how much the black gospel music my grand parents and aunts would listen to was really uplifting and stayed it's seperate genre, unlike Christian-rock, christian-country etc that is just like regular genres of music if you changed the lyrics. I stopped believing in god at like age 10, but I will always love the song Shackles by Mary Mary lol
I think that conversation belongs as it's own separate thing bc I wouldn't want to divert the conversation from what these people genuinely are struggling through.
I think it was actually more respectful for her to do a piece on what she knew rather than attempt to tell a story that she didn't understand but that definitely deserves its own video.
It is also written: and do not provoke one another to envy. Seeking vain glory. Jezebel is Jezebel. Follow her or not- repentence goes for the woman who do leggings and the whole top of breasts and becoming a fanous music artist unafraid of novice causing pride (Lauryn Diagle who didnt even know Romans chater ONE yet)
We cannot pick and choose which sins we will obstained from and which we will indulge, and expect God's approval. All sin in our lives breaks His heart because He loves us and died for us. Leave your life of sin, abstain, seek His strength. The Holy Spirit is able where we are not.
I love this docu-clip so much. In addition to agreeing with what's in this clip, I think that many Christian musicians are performing in church services because it's a stardom thing not a true "worship" thing. Is that okay? Imagine if a Pastor won a Grammy for best spoken word sermon. Kind of ridiculous. Like so much of American Christianity it's not at all genuine. Loved the "starter packs" described here! This is a great overdue video.
American Christianity is all about appearances, point blank. Rather than just BEING good people, they have to try and LOOK like good people while still maintaining the hate in their heart (what is it they like to say? Hate the sin, love the sinner?)
American Christianity? There's no such thing. There is only Christianity. It never changes because God never changes. It's a shame that some have twisted Christianity to conform to their own desires.
It’s really sad how some Christians have to make everything sexual when it really isn’t. It really shows where your mind is if it always goes there. It’s like, I guess you can see it that way but it’s not.
Jumping on your band wagon, it's like... if you see this as sexual & no sex is taking place then you personally just sexualized it. Not me/others. You have made it clear where you're mind is and should be the one to have consequence for that not me over here just living my life.
One time i wore a shirt that said “you can do anything”, and my pastor thought it was something sexual and inappropriate when really its just a motivational shirt that empowers u?? Like he thought the shirt was implying men to do whatever they want with me and my body like???
I can’t help but wonder if it’s because of suppression. If you suppress any part of yourself you might project that on to everyone and everything?? That’s how I think I feel about that part of it.
@@reneebingham7872 as someone that grew up in a very repressive baptist church in matters of sexuality, I think you hit the nail on the head here. It may not be the case for every christian community, but in my experience, the misogynistic mindset of the church enabled everyone - men specially - to project their own sexual frustrations on the behavior of women.
"If it IS hot pink you should see a doctor" Took the words right out of my mouth. If my baby batter was ever yellow or blue or pink I would be VERY worried.
The last time I attended church an old man called me a “punk” because I had long hair. I told him “only god can pass judgement on me.” And never returned to that church. Those people miss the point.
@@les005znbm right, the thing happened to my dad. An old man told him that "hippies" don't belong in his church. Yeah, my dad a Jesus comment as well. And left, because who wants to be around people like that. And they all seemed pretty like-minded...
@Jonathan Wolfe You also missed the point. You can say, and even prove that god passed judgement on men with long hair, but you yourself and any other person on earth cannot pass judgement. It's not your place to shame someone for their life choices, tho I get that you were just trying to prove a point and that you may not have been trying to pass judgement yourself. Still, quoting the bible to someone who likely already knows the quote just seems as though you're trying to find a loophole that allows you to judge. Also, just a quick aside, I really hope I didn't come across as aggressive or anything, I just wanted to point out that regardless of god's judgement on the matter no one is supposed to shame another person
@Jeffrey Stern I just saw in my notification that somebody tried to tell you to stop doing something inappropriate so much and then maybe you'd have a brain to understand and obviously that person's comment made them look like they are highly inappropriate and they don't know how to use their brain themselves
@Jeffrey Stern Shes saying that some music industry dont make it about christ in terms of worship, instead they give glory to man, by how they present themselves............ honestly i dont what to explains this to much work. Do YOUR OWN RESEARCH I DON'T HAVE THE TIME FOR THIS. IF YOU WANT TO BE IGNORANT THEN CONTINUE TO DO SO YOUR CHOICE. BIBLE SAYS LET THOSE WHO ARE IGNORANT BE IGNORANT STILL....bye
Many genres of music have been considered "subversive", in that they challenged societal norms. The rock of the 1960's often raged against the war in Vietnam, advocated sexual freedom, or challenged the consumerism of that period. Punk rock, and grunge similarly challenged societal expectations of behavior. Christian Contemporary Music's main purpose seems to be to reenforce the conformity of Conservative Christian culture, and discourage any deviation or questioning. Using music this way in other countries or cultures, it would be labelled propaganda and mind control.
Historically, Christian music has always been an industry when you consider music dating from the Classical era, Baroque era, or even the renaissance era. There were even more limitations on music back then ( ex. limits on instruments, chords, keys, or melodic notation), so it’s not surprising that there are still such extreme and damaging limitations in the industry today (at least to me). Although there have been major improvements since the beginning of Christian worship music, we still have a lot more work to be done. Also, I would love to see interviews with Black Christian artists since the music is very different from what was shown in this video. Overall, this video was very well done, the interviews were professional, respectful, but also brought up some good conversations that the church needs to be a part of.
I'm surprised Jennifer Knapp wasn't mentioned or interviewed for this. She was a highly acclaimed Christian singer-songwriter in the late 90s/early 2000s who left the industry at the height of her popularity and came out as gay in 2010.
We had a meeting at the Christian college I attended addressing Jennifer coming out. We were instructed to throw away her music and to no longer listen to her music.
Jars of Clay I STILL listen to. I loved that their music wasn't specifically "christian", but about struggling with life, love, doubt... acknowledging those feelings instead of just the same kind of message "God is great, everything is fine". Questioning was always their strong point and thank goodness they kept doing it for the LGBTQ+. There's many of us that have listened to that type of music that miss it but want authentic messaging like Jars of Clay did... Grace you write it. I'll buy it.
Not necessarily. Where I grew up, the cds & cassettes in the local Christian music stores could usually be split into four types: instrumental (often classical music & instrumental versions of traditional hymns), contemporary worship (Hill Songs, Bethel Music, Robin Mark, Keith Green (later in his career) Avalon, Paul Wilbur, Jamie Grace, Skillet, Kirk Franklin, Mandisa, Tait, D-Boy, Michale W Smith, DC Talk etc.) traditional worship (traditional church gospel songs & hymns - depending on the store, this could also include things like Gregorian chants) & general/mixed (PureNRG, Petra, Super Chick, Eden’s Bridge, Britt Nicole, Five Iron Frenzy, Rhema Soul, Owl City, Reliant K etc.). ‘Modern Christian music’ was determined by 1. if the artist was vocal about being a Christian/having Christian themes in their music & 2. the songs lyrics are ‘clean’ (sometimes what makes it clean is not what’s being sung about but how it’s being sung about, ex. drugs can be talked about if it isn’t uplifting them but instead showing the pain & danger that comes from drug abuse).
The mistake is assuming worship or "Christian" music is ever about the artist or the listener. It's all about worshiping God and reflecting him. At least, that's what it should be about.
Didn't it? To this day, I have issues with showing skin, even with just wearing midthigh shorts and a tshirt. All I can think about is my grandmother telling me how prostitutional I look, and how a woman shouldn't drag a man away from his faith.
GREAT INTERVIEW! IT SADDENS ME THAT THE "SO-CALLED" CHRISTIAN MUSIC COMMUNITY HAS CHOSEN TO TURN THEIR BACKS ON ANYBODY, MUCH LESS A PERSON WHO IS GAY. ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS WAS GAY: I RESPECTFULLY SAY EVERYBODY DESERVES GOD'S LOVE, NO MATTER WHAT! 😇 INCLUSION NOT EXCLUSION: I FEEL THAT MOST WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE GOD IF HE SHOWED UP AT WORSHIP SERVICES! God did not leave ANY Judging to me or anybody else: Simply put, "LOVE ONE ANOTHER," NO IFS ANDS OR BUT. With Kind Regards, deb in SC💛
When I was 11 years old I was walking home from school through the snow. I had on a purple sweatshirt with matching sweat pants. The last period of the day was gym and so I decided to keep the sweat pants on to keep my legs warm on the walk home. The pastor of the church my family and I attended so happened to be driving by and offered me a ride home. What I thought was just a nice gesture would soon turn out to be one of the most pivotal moments of my life which would ultimately cause a wedge between my faith and the thing I loved to do ...sing. The pastor spoke to my mom about how the bible states that women should dress like women and that me wearing sweatpants was clearly against the “code”. That Sunday I was not given the opportunity to join the worship team after the sermon and the pastor intentionally ignored me whenever I came into church. At 11 years old I was excluded from the one place where I felt I could be myself. Prior to that incident I had been singing on worship teams for 3 years including attending summer missionary trips to spread the love of Christ through music. It wasn’t long after that experience I began refusing to go to church and 4 years later I came out the closet to my mother. Things didn’t get better for me and I spent much of my teens and early twenties battling depression. I felt alone and had lost any respect for religion and those who “represented” christianity. It wasn’t until a couple of years ago while driving to work, I tuned into a christian radio station and all those good feelings came rushing back to me. I realized singing worship was not something I needed permission to do and that I could do it anytime and anywhere. That moment I decided to work on my relationship with God because no person or church could separate me from Him.The key to that relationship has always been and will always be music! I am now married to a wonderful woman and we have a child together. We also pray together and she doesn’t mind me singing elevation worship songs at the top of my lungs. Thank you for shedding light on this issue in christian music and I hope this brings validation to other as it has done for me. Thank You!
It makes me happy to hear that even though you had such a hard experience in you’re life, your relationship with God is still there. I didn’t grow up in a very religious household, but I did grow up having a relationship with God. Sometimes I’ve wondered if I’m wrong for rarely going to church, but I remind myself that God is everywhere and we don’t have to be in one specific place in order to strengthen that bond 🤍
Cynthia Morales I was a member of elevation they do not serve Christ. They preach that health wealth and prosperity “cult freedom “. The Bible might make us uncomfortable with our sins but, God never cared what you wore. So that pastor was in the wrong. It wasn’t his place to judge your clothes. He is clear on a lot though so don’t be mislead by comfort preaching. We are not worthy of God’s love which is why we needed Christ as a world. Todd Friel, Voddie Bauchman , Ray Comfort those are men that talk and walk Bible. Elevation is a world church not a God church. I don’t miss it. I say this with love as I would to anyone that speaks about the furtick church.
That's great! I wish more people would realize that the church is full of people. And people are fallible. So you will run into those who don't do things perfectly all the time. It shouldn't stand in your way of coming to Christ.
Question: Why is white Christian music called "Christian music" and black Christian music called "Gospel"? (My reason for the question is outside the U.S..we call all Christian music "Gospel". but coming to the States, I was confused by the labeling. I have learned a lot from some of the comments)
I don’t go to church to listen to a band concert. I want to sing about God and His Attributes, and I want to hear other worshipers. I don’t need loud loud bass. I’m not of the world where I need to hear rock and roll music. I want church music.
The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable. - Brennan Manning
No one is without sin except Jesus. Every christian turns from Christ and chooses their own way at times. Blaming the sinful decisions of non-christians on the fact that christians are not perfect is a delusion. It's like saying: "I'm never going back to the gym! Did you see all the hypocritical fat people in there!!!!"
Some people christians say on a sunday i want revival, but then on monday can not even find their bible. I do not want that to be a part of that, I want to praise/worship Him regardless.
That should be a lesson NEVER take a human's word for it, go to the Source directly. I've learned that as a Christian, ex Christian and thanks to Christ He taught me and is still today.
from the beginning of time, the standards of holiness and sanctification have never changed. The word of God clearly demonstrates God's purpose and plan for humanity. I don't understand how the standards are being rewritten to suit our personal lifestyles. God has been very merciful and he has given us free will to make choices on how we desire to live. God desires all of mandkind to follow the example that he has first established from the creation of adam and eve.
Very thought-provoking piece. I've always felt like the Christian music industry is a wing of the church that magnifies the message that the church leaders want to be put forward, rather than being free to use their platform to bring awareness to the many inequities/hypocrisies within the church. Which is really quite sad. The change would need to come from the top which is not likely to happen as the church leadership gets increasingly entrenched in right-wing politics. Hopefully, I'm wrong.
What is sad, is people running roughshod over the Word of God, spitting in God's face, pretending that God Himself did not condemn homosexuality as a sin in both Old and New Testaments. It is not about God hating anyone or about homosexuality being especially evil, per se, as much as it is that ALL mankind has a sinful nature according to the Bible, and ALL must die and be reborn into a "new creature." If that happens for real, then "old things shall pass away" (2 Corinthians 5:17). The Church--to the degree that it is faithful to Scripture--MUST remain committed to follow what Jesus said to follow. Not just do whatever modern ideas of "love" currently demand.
Don't see how that really applies. Being a Christian means you want to follow what God likes and don't do what he dislikes. He doesn't like homosexuality and people who say it's okay go against Christianity. Not really a good comparison at all
@@ginnyfromdablock7551 There is more verses telling you what you should not eat and how to obtain slaves in the bible than there is about homosexuality. Plus the famous "man shall not lie with man as women" verse that christians LOVE to throw at the community, might have possibly been mistranslated and the actual translation is man shall not lie with boy as he does a women. Because the temples had boy servants working in them.
Ohmygod same. It really was though. I grew up southern baptist (no longer a part of any church), and my boyfriend and I love to make random worship songs w/ random strings of Christian music buzzword phrases.. It's too easy.
I can't be concise regarding this subject but I'll try: I'm a Catholic Christian and had been active in my community for years in different groups (one of them as a catechist for people from 14 to 23yrs old). Most people don't know this but in the book "Catechism of the Catholic Church" (which is the basic manual that compiles all of the teaching of the tradition of the Church) it says: Section 2358: "The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them, it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition." (You can also read Sections 2357 and 2359, also important. They were too long to add them here). The whole purpose of sex (according to our Christian theology) is about procreation and the union of a man and a woman to be partners for life, to procreate and protect a family. Homosexuality wouldn't add up with the "design" and use of the human body and its procreating purpose. So is just a belief we have (the same as Hindus believe cows are sacred) that homosexuality is not correct (the same as promiscuity between heterosexuals, actually). But that DOESN'T mean homosexuals are inferior or must be discriminated ever. Homosexuality doesn't define a person, is just a preference. The homosexual is still as any other person with likes and dislikes, capabilities, abilities, interests, desires, fears, love, careers, etc... At my parish, I have gay friends who also were active in groups and no one would ask them about their sex life. As another (kind-of) example: My mom and dad had a relationship in free union (my dad divorced) for 30 years. They couldn't take Communion but they were still active in the community. My dad was master coordinator of all coordinators of the 40 groups my parish had. And they even, as a couple, were part of the parish council (the "elders" that gather with the parish priest about decisions and things to solve at the parish). There's this phrase that we all must understand and remember: judge the sin, not the sinner. So, yeah... I have gay friends who I love so much, I just don't agree with their beliefs about sexuality. I'd defend them if I saw anyone being discriminative against them, but I couldn't support their acts, I just don't believe they're correct.
The" modern" Christian method that she speaks of and the problems that other Christians have pointed out concerning her music video portraying in a way that could cause others to stumble IS Biblical! It is very clear that many of these "Christian" musicians are more in love with producing their songs and music than reading, knowing, and living the Word of God and truly glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ, or spreading the gospel . The truth be told that most so called Christian music ( musicians/singers) today are nothing more than those who hold to some religious beliefs and who are also embracing the world.
confession: I was a worship leader and YA Assistant lead of the whole worship department directly under the two department heads (i had an office and everything) and served in church leadership literally from age 10 to 21. When I was 18, I was at the height of my leadership and set to be grown as the next Leader of the Worship department. something I’d been working for for nearly 10 years, helping build the church from a single location as it grew into a multi campus mini mega church. My close friend at the time had just turned 18 that year. There was a 34 year old man who was the lead guitarist that I played with weekly, and knew well. He was a manager at the place she worked, and coerced her into having sex with him on work property. SHE WAS 18 AND HE WAS 34! AND HE WAS MARRIED. he was revered among the team as a wholesome and fun guy, and I had to keep this secret as she asked me to protect her identity and He wondered why I suddenly hated him. I went to church one week I wasn’t singing, and I was with her. WE RAN INTO HIM AND HIS WIFE and it was the most uncomfortable thing ever. quickly after the encounter, she ran to the bathroom and cried as I comforted her. They to this day have had no reason to look into the weirdness that occurred. Another time, I came to an elder, knowing full well I should be able to confide in them especially due to my involvement in the church. I cried in shame as I told them that I kissed a girl for the first time and I was afraid of going to hell because I thought I was bisexual. I was slowly ostracized and pushed out. I know that if some of the leaders were aware they would have never tolerated it, but the fact that after 12 years of my life I just splintered off and was struggling and wasn’t even reached out to. my father built the church with his own hands, put hours of labor into building the campuses out of his love for God. our family fell apart. and no one reached out. This is the problem. The church needs to protect the congregation, but how can they if they don’t even protect their leaders? I have so many more stories. I am thinking of starting a channel or blog to share them, so that others who have suffered from similar things in the church and felt abandonment from them can feel a little less alone.... I’m so sorry to anyone else who has been hurt by the church they’ve grown so much since then but it still breaks my heart that they didn’t do what the could to protect us then thank you Grace for what you do.
I have similar stories and I’m privately blogging about them. I don’t feel like anyone really wants to deal with my pain. I’m Pagan now. I want nothing to do with the two-faced people I grew up with in churches.
wow, that is so sad but really common in churches everywhere. Makes one wonder what the real purpose of a church is if not to take care of its people. Too much emphasis on how things appear on the outside rather than authenticity, and a lot of outdated theology.
I didn't go through what you did. But I have been get by the church so much that I don't know if I'm ever going back. I might just be associated with the closest Hillsong for the socials and have my quiet time with the Lord. Church isn't what it was created to be. And I'm honestly exhausted and done
I just wanted to share with you something I learned as a Christian and a fan of the band Queen for 43 years. Freddie Mercury was sent to a Christian boarding school at the age of 7. He wrote or sang more songs about or referred to Jesus, Christ or God the creator than any other theme. Songs like...Jesus, Mad the Swine, The Miracle, Is this the World We Created?, My Life has been saved, and others. Also I think the origin of one of the most famous lines in music history came from a gay teenager in a Christian school it is easy to understand where the line "Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me" came from. There are so many more examples, it's a"Rabbit Hole you may find worth going down.
Honestly, I want my Christian artist to be real. I want to know about their faith struggles, their depression, and how God is there for them throughout the battle. It’s part of the reason why I’ve been looking to other forms of Christian music, instead of what’s being played on the radio
I cried when the lead singer from Jars of Clay got emotional and apologised to Grace. He really heard her and understood how messed up that must have been for her. This series is so important.
I was a witch, sex worker, suicidal, and an addict and I encountered God about a year ago. I heard him say “ I have work for you to do” I’ve been saved since March 22,2021. He’s restored the pets of me I thought were forever broken. He can do the same for you 🙏🏻💙
I remember when Christian dubstep started to be a thing, and I was so happy because it was finally Christian music that broke out of the same old stuff, and often had different themes that felt more real. Now I realize that some of that came out of things like Christian metal and alternative styles, but at the time Soundcloud was new, and it was a place where people could try new things. I've been a fan of Eleventyseven for a while, a Christian pop-punk band that's gone in a different direction after going indie, and they had some great insights into the issues. Five Iron Frenzy's newer stuff and journey was really eye opening as well. I worked at a church run summer camp a few times, and we were basically told to pander to the most conservative attendees (mostly during family camp), and it was really hard. It was like, what you wear, what you sing, what you do... It was a very difficult mindset to promote, and hard to know what to do. I'm genderqueer/agender, and I love music, I've always wanted to write songs (I've only done a few), but it's hard to get all the parts of me to work together. Thankfully after finding an online group of trans and non-binary Christians, I've realized that there's a difference between Christianity in terms of the set of beliefs, vs the culture that seen as Christian, like CCM, Pureflix, etc. I've never fit the "ideal Christian" whether that be due to gender, ADHD, or disability, and it's taken me a lot of searching, and separating society from beliefs, from internal biases, to come to terms with who I am, and what I believe. But I'm glad I made that journey, and found some great supportive Christians along the way. I just wish it wasn't so hard to do. Although looking back, Jars of Clay was always more relatable than other bands like Casting Crowns, and it's interesting to see the ways they've had things play out in this world where everything seems to be politicized. I have the CD of Inland, and often put that in my stereo when I need to have a safe place, and none of the current CCM does that. The most popular Christian artist I still listen to is Matthew Parker, and that's because he does something different with being more EDM focused, and I've been following his stuff for around 10 years at this point. I actually heard him in Michael's craft store a couple years ago.
Oml i feel so weird commenting on this years later, but as a nonbinary person exploring their faith and where they fit in it, this was so life-affirming and reassuring. I hope you're doing well.
Balance is not always a realistic achievement sometimes you yo-yo & nobody’s perfect in general SO why add EXCESSIVE WEIGHT to the cross anyone bears?!?
Come as you are, but leave changed. In John 8, when the crowd wanted to stone the adulteress, Jesus said “The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). When no one threw a stone and they all left, he asked the adulteress, ‘“Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?’ ‘No one, Lord,” she answered.’” What Jesus said next is so important for our church today! We are all sinners, unrighteous in the eyes of God, but Christ took our iniquity and he wore it so that we could become right with God! That doesn’t mean that we should keep on going “as we are” because God calls us to become better, to become more like Him! Jesus didn’t say ”I’ll love you unconditionally” He said He loved us so much that the one condition (compared to the hundreds of conditions in the Old Testament) was to glorify Him in our lives and love Him with all our heart! Yes, Jesus welcomes you as you are. But just like with the adulteress, when we walk away He tells us: “‘Neither do I condemn you,’ said Jesus. ‘Go, and from now on do not sin anymore.’” (John 8:11). He is perfectly merciful, perfectly just. He takes us as we are: shame, guilt, doubt, sin and all. But when He touches us, we are called to walk away with new hearts to be more like Him.
@@SeekerGoOn2013 I think that so often we get caught in our own love of sin and the world. That commandment, that question (paraphrased) that he asks: "Will you leave everything you've ever known behind to run after me" is one of the most terrifying things to confront as Christ followers. Compared to Luke 9:56-62 (the passage you're referring to in your comment), the way we are called to leave everything looks different in this age. Jesus isn't going to literally stop us on the dirt road to Jerusalem and physically tell us "Follow me." It's different now, but just as difficult. Denying the world and the desires of our flesh is not a popular decision. We, as true Christians, are not liked for it; we are misunderstood, judged and ridiculed for following Christ the way you've mentioned: "leaving EVERYTHING" behind. It's the cost of discipleship. He's not a God that accepts "I'll follow You, BUT...", "I love You, BUT...", or "I want to know You, BUT..." He tells us PLAINLY to take up our cross and follow Him, and we all know that cross leads to suffering, trials, tribulation, judgment and ultimately death. For lukewarm Christians (like me, so many times), it's hard to understand why following God costs us everything the world says should be important to us: money, relationships, sex, idols, popular culture, etc. So we reason that it doesn't have to. We twist it so it does the opposite. That's the AMERICAN GOSPEL in a nutshell. But the Christ of the Bible, just like you've said, tells us in order to truly pursue Him, we can't pursue anything else. He has to be at the center, He has to be our prize. The bottom line is that no one is leaving everything to follow Him because it's hard. We love sin, we are rebellious, and in many ways we hate God (it sounds harsh, but that's the truth of it). But in order to truly love Him and understand His will for our lives, we have to deny our inherently sinful selves and worldly desires, and find our purpose and our delight in the Lord alone.
@@gracesanders230 a career in the lime light, and the platform to reach and inspire thousands. The security of a job and a dream. Would one sacrifice that to ask and do what needs to be done, no matter the backlash?
Firstly, I'm so confused why they started off with insults from haters... and ended there. Surely, Love Collide had supporters too? Yet the conclusion is drawn from the haters that - "this community does not practice what they preach." Then later they went on to write two versions of worship songs where BOTH are focused on self... The point of the first song was to "sing over and over that you are unworthy". Then Lauren proceeded to say: "I would rather sing a worship song that says "I am worthy. I belong."" Does the irony of that sentence not escape anyone? A WORSHIP song (to God), talking all about us... As CS Lewis once said, "" I just keep seeing the opposite going on here. And the thing about being unworthy... It is not the same as being of little worth. Yes, we are completely undeserving ("unworthy") of God's saving grace. HOWEVER, in God's eyes, does it not make sense that we must have been of INFINITE worth that Jesus would be willing to submit Himself to one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death (crucifixion - the Roman capital punishment at that time) to save us? Why go to such lengths for people who are of no worth? There are also many Christian artists who have also gone to great lengths to ensure their songs are theologically sound. Yet Grace and Lauren, are choosing to focus on the songs that do not... In that case, "The Dark SIDE Of The Christian Music Industry" would have been a more appropriate title. This narrative ain't all there is to it.
Jars of Clay was my favorite band growing up. I always felt that their music was all inclusive and came from a place of genuine love for people. Creating an open dialogue and having an open mind is so important. Most, not all, Christians I speak with that are older don't like the questions that stem from the open dialogue. They don't want to speak to anything that could tarnish the 'Holier than thou' or 'squeaky clean' mentality. Thank you for creating the dialogue. Your countenance is so sweet and compassionate. Don't ever lose that
Man as someone who’s a Christian, it just makes me so sad to see how close minded people in this community can be!!:( We need more attainable role models in this community who represent every single group. I’m straight and felt I couldn’t live up to the standards put before me as a teen, so I can’t even imagine the treatment and judgement I would have received if I’d come out as LGBTQ. Really sad because the whole religion is supposed to be about love and acceptance.
So i cant love and disagree with how a person chooses to live life especially if its against Gods word? Huh. Guess youd rather be wrong than corrected. But hey God gave us free will.
The Christian is not supposed to accept sin. Jesus began preaching "Repent". We are not to be conformed to the world, but be transformed by God's Word. Roman's chapter 1 is a warning not to become accepting; NOT condoning that we become like the world.
We have an attainable role model. Jesus. Stop looking at fallen men, and look at the Lord, in whose image we were chosen before the foundation of the world to be conformed. His burden is lite, no man who wasn't on the cross can judge you. We're all saved by the sacrifice of the Lamb, Jesus. There is non righteous without Jesus, so who can give you a standard of righteousness. All have sinned and "fall short".
Lastly, Christ Jesus is love, he is not about love. And he's not about religion. He is about Gods kingdom being effused among all mankind. To all that receive.
I'm an atheist but I a lot of times when I bring up the question of LGBTQ+ rights to Christians I talk to they get annoyed at me for always bringing up the "gay issue" cause belief is about so much more. Uhm if you can't talk about the issues and discrimination in your own church then why should I even listen to all your fluff fluff happy talk trying to convince me I should dedicate my whole life to Jesus?
The 2 greateat Commands paraphrased: Love God Love People You can love people and still respectfully disagree with them.. And yes even love them. As Christians we believe homosexuality is wrong, and not how God designed us to live.. So the question of discrimination. My counter question is; knowing that, why would a gay person want to hold a position in a church that believes that? Wouldnt that be like a White man wanting to lead the NAACP, or a man wanting to be in charge of a feminist organization.? Or a Boston Red Sox fan wanting to be president of a New York Yankees fan club? There are churches that ignore scripture and openly accept individuals who practice homosexuality.. So find those and go there... But the bottomline for me is, they should understand why most Christians believe homosexuality is wrong because they are devoted to God and the scriptures. But that doesnt give them excuse to not love their neighbor, no matter who they are.. Seem like no one wants to look at the issue from both sides....
@@chrislemons38 thing is I'm atheist for many many different reasons and the whole scripture argument is heavily debated, especially amongst scholars cause you need to take a lot of factors into account, translation, intended meaning,historical context etc. There's actually very little evidence in the Bible that is explicitly anti-homosexuality as we understand the term today and and a lot of these bits can be disputed (the whole you shall not lay with another men stuff can be interpreted in a historical context of men raping other men, not them having a monogamous loving relationship, thus it doesn't even apply to todays ideas of same sex couples. It's really interesting to read up upon if you're open enough to do so! And there are many scholars that do write interesting papers about this! lesbianism for example isn't even covered in the Bible! (Probably cause women's sexuality has been historically denied) Even if you think the Bible was 1:1 advice: isn't there sth. about not eating "blood" too? Or what about menstruating women being unclean and everyone who touches then will be unclean too? Do you believe in those rules and that every women should avoid contact to others during their period? What about women having to cover up their hair and not cutting it? Most of these are argued against as they are seen as cultural references at the time, so to me it seems the issue is not: is there one sentence in the Bible that can be interpreted this way but it's about: what are my/my churches personal opinions and how can I implement them today? E.g.: Biblical arguments have been made promoting colonialism, slavery and racism under the pretense of the bible... Which luckily no one in their right mind believes in today! Bonus points for picking those aspects that don't affect your life and build on discriminating marginalised groups that already have it hard enough...
@@chrislemons38 also more bonus points for speaking an behalf of all Christians. Edit cause I apparently have a lot to say: except for the sports argument which is just personal preference and a choice didn't you always use an oppressor trying to lead a marginalized group? So wouldn't the arguement be reversed so a Conservative Christian doesn't try to lead a LGBTQ movement and not the other way around? Plus a white man can still support both causes and listen to what those associations have to say. I guess the argument/examples just don't really hold up to me. Plus it assumes lgbtq can't be united with faith whoch as said before is definitely not the ultimate consensus. Your example might work if you put an atheist trying to lead the church as the belief is the main focus of Christianity, not the views on gay rights. So it would be more like telling that sports team person they can't lead the group cause their favorite drink is Dr.Pepper and not coke which is the sponsor of that team.
Watch out with 'redo-ing' your own memories to conform with a current political stance... I have a hard time even imagining what that would be, but if I do try to imagine it, it gets scary pretty quick
“The artist's task is to save the soul of mankind; and anything less is a dithering while Rome burns. Because of the artists, who are self-selected, for being able to journey into the Other, if the artists cannot find the way, then the way cannot be found.” - T McKenna
Judas Priest had and still has an out gay dude for a singer, Rob Halford, trust me, they are pro gay marriage and Painkiller beats any CCM song you can find.
Honestly, this all sounded like a cult to me. The over policing of the artists, turning their back on followers who just voiced their beliefs, even the labels given to their audience!
You’re not wrong... most people wouldn’t use the title because of a super negative association but yes it has all the rules of a cult. It’s just widely considered benevolent enough to pass as fine. There’s this weird argument that people have to be Christians to be good people yet there’s good ppl all over the world so....
If you want to listen to truly happy worship music listen to Benny Friedman. These people are happy and their songs are about the joy they have in God. There's such happiness and joy in their songs and music.
I'm honestly having a hard time understanding the true point of the video. It seems that the word of God which is what we should live by is being pushed to one side and the people who are trying to live by it are only judgmental people who aren't really trying just judging. The true meaning of worship and praise isn't being mentioned worship music should be to worship God and praise music should be to praise God directly. Singing about ones life is a testimony, it's edifying if it's to help spiritually to move Forward not stay stuck in a cycle that gets repeated because Jesus came to get us out of generational curses and deliver us too of what demons were let in by opening a door. So what's the point of the video?
@@micdrop3201 The only reason I watched the video is because I felt joy as I thought someone else knowing the truth about the influence and influences of music and through music. It's biblical that davids heart was as the heart of the Lord's and when King Saul was being tormented by spirits, David would play his instrument so those tormenting spirits would leave, so even if an instrument is being played the listener will be ministered weather it be good and edifying to praise God if it's coming from a Christians consecrated heart or whatever that person is living will be ministered, I'm only talking about Christian music that of the world we already know is not edifying. So yeah that's what not many talk about and rather not talk about so it's why so many Christians really trying to get close to God who listen to people who sing just to sing but and are called to sing for it's their talent but are still lukewarm will not help the listeners spiritually. The song will sound perfect but if it's not backed by the Holy Spirit. Anyone getting on the altar weather to preach, teach, sing, or just play an instrument whatever it is they should first know they will minister to all the listeners and whatever they carry in their hearts is what's coming out and God forbid it's the opposite of God's will. We have to be very careful what we listen to and if we know someone isn't walking right with God, stop letting them minister into our hearts whatever spirits they have in them. It's the same as if they're laying hands on us it can't be done by just anyone over just anyone. The spiritual realm is hard to understand by many and those who live a comfortable lukewarm or ungodly want to normalise and make everything Christian even if it's evil as long as the word God is in it or Jesus and sadly many Christians buy it 😢 💔 God must be so sad for His people that are backsliding over the careless fake Christians and the ones who do it inadvertently but all will be judged. The Holy Spirit speaks to all, at one point we all know
Lmao basically all the xXXchristXcoreXXx bands. But it's kinda interesting how those bands actually do cross over to the emo/hardcore/metal scene, while the other Christian rock bands are completely unheard of by the non-Christian music world.
One of my favorite movie lines is from Hannah and Her Sisters. Frederick (played by Max von Sydow) proclaims “If Jesus were alive today and saw what they are saying in his name, he would never stop throwing up."
I remember growing up with Christian music and having had friends who were touring artists several years ago. In the past 12 years or so I have just noticed a huge slump in the number of Christians who are genuine and honest about who they are but who put others down who are tired of towing the line and want to follow a path that is truly genuine for them. I salute those who can be honest about who they are, what motivates them, and how they want to live. Jesus advocated openness to all who would come to him, not all who could put on a cloak of perfection first and then come. In this video, I totally appreciated the emphasis on saying I am worthy rather than the demeaning rhetoric the church tries to put across that all people are unworthy. So much damage done to so many people.
As a worship leader, I have so many problems with CCM. I try to look at songs with solid theology and appropriate for congregational worship. When I look at CCM, the theology tends to be very shallow and making ourselves feel good. Outside of a church setting, that's fine, but it is usually expected to be played in church if it is on the charts. Just remember CCM ≠ worship music. Songs shouldn't just say "I am worthy" either. It's true, but it's not the whole truth. I am made worthy because Jesus Christ died for my sins. Through Jesus, I can boldly approach God with no fear of condemnation.
I’d always thought Christian and Gospel were the same till I moved to the States and started attending my local, majority-black church. I think this video reinforces this distinction, in that I see the subject matter more related to Christian music than gospel music.
Because Refinery29 is part of the problem they are racist. Refinery29 choses to pay all the white employees more than their black employees. www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/business/media/refinery-29-christene-barberich.html
It’s crazy how through their journey of finding closeness with God not once do they use the word of God (scriptures) to find direction but rather people’s opinions. That’s our problem as creation We tend to look at everyone else’s flaws and instead we make up our own way on how to serve and worship God. In other words. In essence we’re saying “ we don’t care what YOU say God on what’s good or bad. We will serve and worship you the way WE feel is best to do so. ……The only way out of this cycle of deception Is to Repent and trust in the Love of our father. And in what he has done for us on the cross. Let him set the boundary on what is good Not us. Not our feelings. Not our opinion.
I think it needs to be clear this is white Christian music which is really just inspired by black music..like all American music is. Larry Norman did not make Christian rock popular. Arguably Sister Rosetta Tharp did when she thought gospel to the main stream. A black LGBTQ woman. This is a really interesting story and has important information but feels really white washed?
Does it matter in this context??? They arent speaking about the history of christian music, they're talking about the culture and how its effecting the artists and the fans, and it's a VERY negative and damaging effect. I mean theres a place to have a conversation about your point but I don't think it belongs in this one.
Scandi Snowgirl you’re right, it is totally damaging! and this video is super important and has a lot of great info. (Also I just love Grace and all of these vids.) But saying the first person to make Christian rock popular was Larry Norman, is just factually incorrect and slightly erases black christian music and gospel. It may seem like such a small thing to change it to the first white man to bring Christian rock to the forefront. But that recognizes black artists, and black history. Which really needs to be done more and more, and the only way to do that is to start dialogue like this! I’m glad you commented! :)
@@scandisnowgirl3696 it very much does matter. Because the issues being experienced by the artists in this documentary are being experienced by Black gospel artists too. Why not capture their stories also?
@@1991-present I literally said that should be a separate conversation bc it's a unique experience to this one. Combining the two just would detract from what's happening to another marginalised group. It's like having a conversation about domestic violence towards women and a man coming along and saying "but it happens to men too!". It diverts the conversation away from people who need support with a valid conversation that should happen in it's own space. I'm not saying that's not important, but that it deserves it's own conversation so that the two dont try to compete with each other.
Why can't the songs just be about worshipping Jesus for Who HE is...??? Just gotta look at Him. It's not about us, we are called to give up ourselves....
I like to think that all of them start out just like that i.e worshiping God 100% through songs, but then later on, Pride sets in and then all goes down south from there. They put them first then God second.
Because Jesus was a teacher who was also psychotic. Just because the man told people he was god, didn't mean he believed it, or even that you should worship a god who demands blood sacrifice. That's gross. And violent. Stop that.
I can not believe a company or Industry would ever chastise a person for not towing the line? Ohhh glad this only ever happens in Christian music industry and no where else in Corporate America. Thank you for exposing such a horrible crime. When you have a employer that forces you to believe they way they want you to. Is just wrong so wrong
So are you mad for people actually believe the Bible and not affirming sin? Should we afirm someones gluttony or pride? Should we also afirm someone cheating on their spouse? Should we affirm a murderer? Sin is sin. To call it not sin is minnimiming God's grace or implying your sin is too big for God to forgive
Phantom Wanderer: God also tells us in the Bible that we should not make our brother or sister stumble in the Lord. Let’s say a brother in Christ is a recovering alcoholic, shall we pour a glass a wine and drink it in front of him? Of course not, we don’t want to tempt him. Same with a sister in the Lord. God tells women to be modest. She shouldn’t dress in a way that would tempt a brother in Christ. If you’re wearing a mid-drift shirt, I’d say that’s not very modest.
horror movies This is a very interesting topic. It is either the freedom of what an individual wants to express (in this situation, their clothing) or follow expectations (depending on the person, modest perhaps.) of others on what is appropriate to wear. Now we have the factor of self control and also decency. It is difficult to come to a choice because of the various minds of one individual and those who make up society. Let’s try to keep this civil, I want to hear everyone else’s thoughts.
@@horrormovies1307 I thought modesty referred to not having braided hair and ridiculous jewelry though? I guess all those ladies with diamonds and tacky earrings should be scolded then. Cultural context is everything, and at the time the New Testament was written, women already wore loose fitting clothes. Didn't stop them from getting raped though. :(
@@horrormovies1307 god also says woman aren't allowed to preach in church or hold power also the Bible outlines how to own slaves so if we really want to get into scriptures then let's get in them but stop picking and chosinf what you should and shouldn't have to follow. Either follow it all and be a good little Christian or stop making it seem like you're better than someone else because you 'help your brother not stumble' this is why religion is not needed in modern times honestly.
@@horrormovies1307 and if you're letting a man tell you that you can't wear a certain thing because all he sees is you in a sexual way then that is signs to not have that type of person in your life. Or youre just so weak willed that you automatically listen. Either way to subject yourself to that type of treatment shows a lot about you. Take control of your body
She said “queer Christian “. ... you can’t be a gay nor a lesbian,neither liar or fornicator , theft , or murderer and expect to see the Kingdom of God. Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior ? Do you hear from Him? The Lost and professing followers of Christ don’t even know Him. It’s a just mouth service , these people are false followers of Christ and it’s so noticeable. They need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ , Repent , and endure till the end. Keep the faith , open the Bible and see whether you are in the faith. It’s never about looking cool , it’s about being presentable and blameless through Jesus Christ as our Savior. Wake up brothers and Sisters.
TO YOU! In Gods kingdom , all sin is the same CHECK the Bible. All sin is worthy of death. Why do you care about your opinion or anyone else’s when it’s comes to Jesus. Why not see His words on Life.
I just want people to see how their sin directly effects their relationship with God and creates unbelief in their heart and mind . I speak from experience,.. The only problem is that people that don’t KNOW Jesus Christ is on the throne, the people who don’t hear from Him , the people who walk in ignorance because they still love their sin. They are the problem, I lived a life like that 10 months ago, Jesus Christ changes lives and everything you thought you knew. You want a miracle ? Ask Jesus Christ if everything the Bible says is true .Ask Him if He really died on the cross WHILE we were sinners. If you get no answer fine ,I’m crazy but I know if you really truly ask Him without being the prideful people we are . You’ll get your answer and your own life will change. You’ll know everything He did is real and then you’ll see how much we and the world have sinned against Him. Yet ,God made a way through Jesus Christ. This is your wake up call, to really honestly ,take a step in faith and ask Jesus to forgive you and really let Him be your God. The world is evil and will continue to be evil. It doesn’t mean we ,you ,and I have to be . I pray Jesus shows you what He did on the cross for You. I love you have a good day!
As a Christian for 48 years, I have found that no one makes people run away from Christ's message faster than the Christians who shun anyone who doesn't interpret scripture exactly as they do.
The part where the first musician gave an account of how men criticized her for showing a smidge of skin when she was raising your hands, I'm just embarrassed that fellow men would criticize women for ''tempting'' instead of the guy should see her as a human being.
I look forward to hearing songs that declare we are as innocent now as the day we were created by our loving Creator. NOTHING can change what God has done! Mistakes can be made, but they don’t undo the lovely creations that God has made.
I never comment but I am and now just because I haven't seen anyone else comment about it. There is a reason Christian music, books, etc., say we aren't worthy. It's because we aren't. No one is worthy of someone else dyeing for them. It's the ultimate sacrifice. That is why we build monuments for veterans. Jesus died for us and we will never be worthy of that, but that isn't a bad thing. We say that so we can reflect of the mercy of grace of God. To ignore it would be missing the point. It's not a "Oh, I'm so unworthy! I suck! I am but bird food." but rather "I am unworthy and yet God forgave and loves me! Wow!"
What do you think is a positive solution to this issue? Share with us below!
Well, your’s is an excellent first step. Asking questions, understanding the narrative, and being respectful to each other.
Get to know Jesus FOR YOURSELF!
Read your Bible and stop idolizing people. We are all imperfect being and will never be perfect and God doesn't expect us to be perfect. Have a personal relationship with God and realise that God LOVES EVERYONE and His word is The ONLY truth.
John 14: 6
Dayumm. By the way, I'm making a sand animated visual album over at my channel about my faith. If you want an honest personal album, you're invited to see it
Please start up a true crime podcast Grace! I MISS murder with friends SO MUCH! ❤ Come back to the true crime community!
Leave them alone. That's the best option. Go down the road and do your own thing.
“We don’t need more Christian artists. We need more artists with their Christianity intact.” -Brian Welch, lead bassist for the band KORN.
Amen!
My husband learned more about Christ from the band members of Korn than he did sitting in pews at church. We need people of different backgrounds with the means and the voice to reach others.❤🙏☮
His books are also phenomenal
KORN IS STILL THEE 🐐 #PERIODT
Yes, they can write about slavery, genocide and incest then
I love this,although this is only one side of the Christian music industry because black Christian music is a whole other ball game with its history behind it and why it sounds the way it sounds
Omg this is such a good point. I feel like black American Christian music would have such a stronger unit with its history
yeah, that was a glaring omission from this story!
Gospel isn't going to throw open for LGBTQ either. Even less so to be honest.
@@rivertaylor8416 This, exactly.
Excellent point!
I wrote some worship songs that i cared about when i was a hyper-churchy teen, i was a youth group kid, a church camp attending believer, and then a leader, but my parents were more agnostic, but encouraged me to explore whatever i liked. I had the secular experines that alot of my church friends didn't have. My parents preached safe sex not abstinence, my mum was the head of our house, etc.
I was always encouraged to share my experiences, how i used to drink and smoke until i found Jesus, and that my testimony was more moving because i chose God without being born into a church. This sentiment was immediately back-peddled when i wrote some songs and asked to sing them at church, i sang in the evening (the younger service) church band, and my bandmates loved them, but the hugher ups said no. I never got a great answer, just some bs about how it wasn't theologically sound, but now that im 20, that i left that church, got sucked into Hillsong then left when i realised it was a money-sucking cult, and have 3 years of college under my belt, i realise my lyrics weren't on-brand enough for the church. It wasn't about purity, or being a worm, it was about the personal love i have between myself and our Lord, and that we are all perfect, that even our mistakes are written, and that we are loved.
I wrote about real experiences, things i thought my peers could relate to, and they did, but only my inner circle could ever hear them. My fav song that i wrote was about how even through all the temptations and all my failure, i am still loved, and even if i'm not successful by earthy standards, i'm perfect in God's eyes.
One day, when im not so self-conscious, when i find a church again that feels like home, maybe ill share them. I know God wanted me to write those songs in my heart, but for now, i'll keep singing them in the shower.
(side note: i hate the term progressive Christian, we are called to love, to forgive, not to judge, but here i am doing that, and some people think its some crazy new idea)
good on you! keep writing
hey!! fellow christian here :) glad to hear you have found peace with God and yourself in life. keep running the good race brother, God be with you and hopefully you'll to find a good, loving, Word-based and safe community my man
No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. I'm sorry that the church you attended wouldn't give you a clear answer about what they thought wasn't sound doctrine. They should have given you scripture, or maybe they don't know any. Keep writing and reading scripture and keep allowing the word of God to fill your heart. You will have a lot of songs of praise for what God is doing in your life to share.
I'm glad you were smart enough to get away from these creepy cults before they'd locked you in with 5 kids and staggering debt.
Would you be willing to share your songs on TH-cam? I would rather listen to Christian songs based on realistic journeys to God than mainstream "Christian" music. As Natoka said, no one is perfect, yet God still accepts imperfect people who are willing to live for Him. Please continue to use your experience as a testimony to God's greatness!
I choked on my spit laughing so hard when you said most of the songs involve water. It's so true lol. Waves, rivers, pools, cleansing.
Water is symbolic of spirit… like the Holy Spirit. It said God will pour out his spirit on all flesh in the last days
@@staciebrooks2583 Thank you. Only God will have the last laugh. Amen.
Why do you think I got an ocean wave as a tattoo?
Um...
Crazy how country songs are about living on farms!
You're insane.
This lady is evil. She hates Jesus. She hates God. Shame on you for this video. So full of pride and mockery .
Shame on you.
The disappointing thing about this conversation is that worship has been minimized to a performance based (appearance, using the right wording, wearing the right clothing, etc.) act when worship is actually our expression/response to who God is.
We need to return back to biblical worship which actually has nothing to do with us and everything to do with Him.
Alot of churches are performative though, and that's what they are showing here.
She thinks we’re putting ourselves down though 😐
Our God is great.
It's been commercialized, that's the problem.
Do you mean not lead by capitalism and corporations, or do you mean worship should go back to not using "the devils instruments" (as some denominations call it) and just be singing by itself?
Dont worry. God isn't real LOL
Its almost impossible for black people to thrive in ccm and that should say something
+iconforhirexflylleaf Thank you for bringing that up!
I'd be curious to know what you would base this on...
Richard Smallwood was just talking about this the other day.
@Hayden Howard that's one artist and a member of a group you mentioned, out of 4 decades of history. And Lecrae is definitely marketed as a rap artist. Many gospel artist have talked about their frustration of not being marketed/accepted as CCM artists by their label and the industry. CCM is lacking a diverse representation, arguably that's the mainstream music industry period.
i think it depends on what you count as ccm. all of my favourite christian music artists recently are black but i will admit that i’m not talking about the most well known christian bands (not that i can name a single individual in those bands though)
Thank you so much. As a black man who is LGBTQ+ I needed to hear and see this. I’ve survived a lot of things in my life including the pain of church not accepting me for my true identity.
This video points out how cookie-cutter some of this “worship” music is! - it’s perfect hypocrisy… very little of it is actually from the heart. Music is a gift, one to be shared with other musicians in a group setting where all instruments are creating together, a sound unique to those musicians. Cookie cutter garbage doesn’t reflect that at all - it only demonstrates blind faith and blind following.
Cookie-cutter? It can be. All music follows a predictable formula. Consider Fanny Crosby. Most of her songs were cliched; all of them were sincere; some of them were great; most of them today are forgotten. There's always the struggle between the old music, the new music, and deciding what we keep and what we discard. Cookie-cutter or not, a song is good if it has meaning for you, if you make it part of your inner repertoire. If it resonates with enough of us, the song survives--at least for a while, until it's overtaken by music from the next generation. It's a process...
Its no advance or comfort but this music has caused
me to despise mention of the word worship and what these people think it entails. I want churches not worship spaces and spirit and truth not CCM.
I'll listen to bands like silent planet and wolves at the gate who make music with both sound theology and lyrical creativity. They have songs that relate in such a real way to situations that the mainstream Christian music won't ever go near. One song I heard by silent planet that was crazy to think about was written from the perspective of a believer who struggled with Paranoid Schizophrenia and the rhetorical question that was posed was pretty much, "does God have grace on those who cannot truly be changed by behavioral adjustments?"
It really started to make me think about people with debilitating mental illnesses and the depth of God's grace. In my opinion, (and that is all that it is) I believe we need more of that kind of message that gets the listener to consider deeper questions about the character of God.
I never saw people look more like mindless zombies or talk like mentally ill.patients than in some of these videos where they sing CCM . They are not real about faith or the Kingdom they are lost in worthless delusions and I find it all beyond considerations. Theyre now going into pubs and night clubs where they will seem respected and respectable. TBN and Songs of Praise are portals to this horrifying behaviour.
The worst music in the world is CCM and choirs singing gospel and spirituals ..its quite probable that if David sang any of it to the suffering Saul.he would die rather than recover from his sickness. Theres nothing Christian in bellowing every cliche since time began and talking about slavery instead of anything else which oppresses all men and turning perfomances into the Bibles answer to the Flying Pickets or muttering contradictory nonsense because you think that Christs Mother knew nothing of who He was and other such comedy routines that dont open the Bible ever. In short I long for the silence of heaven where demented musicians wont have me believe that Angels roar at Jesus Our King. They sure as nothing do not in my understanding.
god there is such a repeating theme of men harassing women for being "too sexual" when its not even remotely related to being sexual. If that doesnt show that the men are the real problem then idk what will
I was so shocked that showing some accidental middrift would cause an uproar... Not to mention that dancing isn't allowed... It's so restrictive
icecubeonfire just shows how perverted men are that they can’t even handle that 🤢
if they don't like it...than freaking don't watch and address your fragile masculinity
@@elissa8395Yes
In Christian music, women vilify women as much if not more than men... Many women had issues with Lauren Daigle wearing a so called revealing dress... Same with Erica Campbells from a Mary Mary💯 This isn't even a men women thing... It's also a women thing.... In the music industry too...
i love how stereotypical yet accurate the song was
+vapex LOL! Thanks for watching!
It was honestly making me laugh how easy and spot on it was
Lol look up the Worship Song Song 😂
I laughed because I swear I felt almost nostalgic with the generic song, since it sounded so much like all the songs I heard on a guitar in church.
🤣 Right??? You're like that's catchy,....and definitely sounds typical Christian pop 😆
The issue with embracing homosexuality in Christian music is that it is sin, just like my struggle with substance abuse is a sin. A sinner is what we naturally are, and us trying to create a"Christianity" that conforms to our way of being instead of us obeying Christ and trying to surrender our will to his is a subversion of His lordship. If you are a homosexual, I'm not going to pretend to know your struggle. I know it's gotta be hard. Surendering to God is hard. It's hard for me to surrender my heterosexual sin to Christ, but truth doesn't change based on how someone feels. Not for me or for you.
In my view, some Christian music artists can fall into the trap of pride, and instead of simply sharing their faith in songs, they begin to acquiesce to the world, and the individual pursuit of fame, and wealth. Some contemporary Christian artists emulate rock standards and their Stage performances are no different than a secular concert. The lyrics become hardly noticeable, and the focus turns to themselves, not the Lord. We live in an age of great apostasy and immorality, and Christian musicians have the opportunity to reach the lost with a music ministry. It would be better, in my opinion, to record and play Christian music and share these songs on the internet, but not to seek it as a path to recognition and money. Better to just get an ordinary job to make a living, and consecrate the music ministry to the Lord. Stay humble, walk by faith, live out your Christian life simply.
I could understand that, but then there are bands like For Today and Impending Doom that reach untouched masses at their live shows
Because you can't be allowed to make a living playing music! Or video games! What are you, a satanist?!
@@charlesellsworth9539 I doubt it...those who attend those shows just want to be entertained...they are all victims of Christian Music...its all about the money, and self-aggrandizement.
Then, what should they do about money, because all your talking about takes money. Add family, friends and life in general.
@@charlesellsworth9539 Dearly beloved, U NEVER STOOP down to the world's standards.
"if you sing over and over that you are unworthy, then that's your meditation." wow. got chills. what a powerful being!
Absolutely why I feel wierd to some songs. Never had the words for it. I thought how could that be this is Christian music. I k we I only like songs that give me joy and peace and strength. Well mostly.
Thanks, boo. 🤎🤎
We are all unworthy. But repent and turn from the sinful life we live. Jesus said to the prostitute "go sin no more". He didnt say "I accept your lifestyle choice .... I understand ..... go on doing what makes you happy"
@@onlytruthmatters777 any ideology that tells you that isn't worth believing in
Dirk Diggler Quite the contrary, God gave us his son to die on the cross to give grace to all our sins. All we need is to believe.
I rolled my eyes into another dimension when she described being blamed for making her "Christian brothers stumble in faith" BC SHE SHOWED AN INCH OF SKIN WTF
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Some people just aren't used to anything and blame others for their own feelings.
Thats religion for you
To be fair, it was two inches of skin! LoL!
I once got "moral checked," before going bon stage coz I was the scarlet letter girl in that church. While on stage this pure girl was wearing a white dress that was skin tight and as she sang and dance and got spiritual and sweaty my friend started noticing that her dress got really see through and she was wearing a red thong and bra-lette inside and the whole church saw and it even went on TH-cam line that.
Problem was; I got blamed and my friend through association coz our "impurity" caused all that. I'm blind, no matter how sinful I got, I was never going to influence some visual sexual innuendo or sin in someone else like that, I struggle with that concept in dressing myself too, she should have known better.
And that's how I decided to not be a preacher anymore.
@@availanila I am very sorry you were put in that position. But in the end, we're not there for the people but for Jesus only. If others want to focus on the sins of their neighbor before their own, then how are they supposed to "cleanse others" without cleansing themselves first in the name of Christ? Please, do not let that discourage you. It hurts my soul to see church members judging others before themselves, *but* the enemy navigates like a roaring lion in the places containing the BEST elements (followers) who threaten all evil. Stay safe. What we are seeing today in the world is not taking place without a reason. God bless you and your family both blood and spiritual! May the Lord give you strength and peace in the midst of all conflict
I have such respect for how she asks hard questions but still shows respect. I think she is wonderful
Two things: the crass commercialism of the Christian music industry is actually physically sickening, as in it makes me feel like I've got something squirming inside. Understand people, whether it be artists, producers, techs, whoever, need to be paid for their work but something is rotten here. Every time I think of this "let's build up an image that the artist really doesn't reflect and sell God for a profit" makes me think of Jesus flipping over the money tables. Is this much different than that?
2: If someone asking questions makes you write them off without even considering those questions, the problem is with you and not them. This is becoming far too common in all sorts of places today. Why can't people have a discussion? What makes anything intrinsically off-the-table for conversation? This unwillingness to even listen is how you end up with insular communities of people with almost exactly the same thoughts who hate every other group.
Yes , agreed and thanks for addressing that issue..I too get that sick feeling (the Holy Spirit discernment ) and was concerned for my teenage/ now adult family not having quality ,uplifting Christian music to listen to,,bad a busted family they have slowly left the faith & absorbed into the secular system workplace
What does the bible say?
"If you are constantly singing 'I am not worthy', that is your meditation." Wow.
Yeah, and why would a god want or respect someone who is unworthy?
True, except in the next line you're exulting in your special relationship with the most powerful being in the universe, so, from a self-esteem perspective, it evens out. After all, most of those who claimed the divine right to wrest the United States from the people who lived there also sang "I'm not worthy" on Sundays.
Because that's the whole point. If we were worthy, then Jesus' death was pointless. That's the whole point of Grace: receiving something we could not otherwise obtain ourselves. Granted, there are more creative ways to portray this in worship music. But if we think we are worthy, that defeats the whole purpose
@@trinityfrank2526 Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome to me.
@@EricaGamet It is.
All those rules for female performers (purity tests, not wearing revealing clothes, no jumping, etc).... and I thought K-pop stars had it rough.
+theartkaw It sure is a lot! Thanks for watching!
The purity tests are a Human Rights violation
python java they seriously test their virginity ? Are you kidding me ?
How can you even test that?!!! Those tests have been proven to be false most of the time
@@isabellacosby3339 sadly people still beleive that myth. Those test keep destroying women's lives around the globe but especially in third world countries.
"For me, music is about finding community through shared human experiences, when a song gives voice to something you thought that no one else could possibly understand." I LOVE this, Grace! Personally, for me-- especially as I was ending my teen years and entering my twenties-- this was Elliott Smith. His songs really spoke to struggles myself and those I knew were going through, such as: existential angst, addiction, love +loss, depression, anxiety, introversion, wearing a mask around others, etc.
I had never felt so understood in my life. The feeling to understand and be understood is a beautiful thing. Especially as, he's not with us anymore. Yet, his music and lyrics transcend time and speak to the human existence, especially to those of us who have struggled/ are struggling with addiction to street druqs.
Yeah, I listen to music concerning those things. I love emo music however, there are two different effects that emo music and music that is praising and worshiping God has on me. Music that praises and worship God makes me forget about my issues and gives me a higher perspective where as emo music keeps me in the midst of my issues. I simply appreciate the poetic license in this kind of music. However however there are frequencies in music, and at some point I end up feeling more annoyed and drained by listening to this kind of music for a while. It is literally coming from the lower levels of hell in my opinion, because the reason why emo kids or former emo kids struggle with those emotions, is because we're literally sitting in the gates of hell. This is the reason why the Angels sing in heaven all the time to the Father. The frequency is higher, because it comes straight from Heaven. Most of the reasons for all those mental issues is because you praise yourself too much. It's because you focus too much on the problems that you have, and that you don't give your problems to God. He said cast your cares on Him because He cares for you. Most the time we spend our time worrying, when God asked us if worrying will add a day onto our lives? If you actually do what God tells you to do, you will not have mental illness, so when God takes that mental illness from you, from doing the things he tells you, of course you're going to want to praise and worship him. The Angel in heaven understand the value of God, where mankind does not, so thus if you don't have the understanding of how valuable God is, you're not going to understand why Christian music praises him. All your music will be dedicated to you.
The starter packs had me dying 🤣 Worship is hard for me right now. Not only cause most worship music played in church is boring and formulaic, but also it is tough when you know how organized a worship service is. My husband was in the worship band and they would control every move he made onstage. "Don't lift your hands to worship here at the beginning. But once the chorus hits raise your hand. Close your eyes during this part" etc. It was so strange and now I always wonder if those leading worship are actually worshipping or thinking "oh yeah I must look really into it right now". That, plus some band members being in it for personal fame instead of wanting to serve God/church, is why we left that church.
What? That’s wild I’ve never been told that as a praise band singer, I can’t imagine telling your band how to worship. That’s a red flag
My parents constantly asked me why aren't there more "Christian songs" on my phone. This video helped me realized why - that the music has always been bland, formulaic. Give me a song that is musically or lyrically interesting and I'll listen.
Exactly. I try my best to listen to christian music but A LOT of it sounds the same. I just listen to worship music and gospel music now. No more CCM😭
Facts
Well there are always Byzantine chants😂
Hi hi! I suggest the song Resurrection Blood by Cody Karnes! Really atypical for a lot of CCM and honestly such a banger 💚💙💜
I literally only listen to silent night by Mree. Her voice is heavenly
Christian music is SO similar and identifiable, when a Christian song breaks into top 40 I can IMMEDIATELY tell it's a worship song before I ever hear the reference to God (the ones that hit top 40 are always veeerry removed from that doctrine language).
You should check out the good Christian music blog on TH-cam! They have indie artists and a variety of genres !!
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My sister had a christian song in her playlist of non christian music and i was instantly able to point it out before the artisit even started singing bc it all sounds so alike
The more complex the music is, the better the song😂
My mom had a Christian song in Spanish playing through her TV one time (we're Hispanic, btw), when my boyfriend (who doesn't speak Spanish) was dropping me off back home and then he said: "Is that Christian music? I was like "How did you know that?" He said: "Because Christian music sounds the same."
Being in a Christian church is toxic if they think you're built wrong. I joined a Born-Again Christian church when I was 20, and I was invited by an artist that I admired. It was great at first, the music really inspired me, and through the songs, I was able to understand I was loved by God. But I got out there as fast as I can cos the people are just too much for me. I have retained my faith, but I don't believe I have to stay with those people to talk to Him.
The question isn’t the problem, its the fact that “you are complicit in the exclusion.” Well put!
And bravo, Jars of Clay. They are the one Christian band I actually had a CD from. Proud of them!
They are false prophets!
@@boofy2445 why is why she is into them. Lead singer openly admitting he doesn't care about scripture, which btw is the only thing that can save you.
Not just that but scripture is also known as the word of God. to say you don't care is just spitting in his face, and then you can yourself, " Christian band."
That's why you were dropped, being pro lgbt is just icing on the cake.
And he wasn't just asking questions, just look it up.
It's simple really, want inclusion? go to pop or anything mainstream accepted. Of course there's a reason why the devil and his posse want to corrupt christian music.
this was really interesting, but I think a BIG part of the missing story is race - gospel music was invented by Black people, and the overwhelming whiteness of popular Christian music is not a neutral fact! I would love to see you guys expand this story to include that!
I was just about to make a comment about how much the black gospel music my grand parents and aunts would listen to was really uplifting and stayed it's seperate genre, unlike Christian-rock, christian-country etc that is just like regular genres of music if you changed the lyrics. I stopped believing in god at like age 10, but I will always love the song Shackles by Mary Mary lol
I feel like this definitely needs its own video :)
I totally agree. I would love to explore that in a future episode.
I think that conversation belongs as it's own separate thing bc I wouldn't want to divert the conversation from what these people genuinely are struggling through.
I think it was actually more respectful for her to do a piece on what she knew rather than attempt to tell a story that she didn't understand but that definitely deserves its own video.
A woman is tempting you? I seem to remember Jesus saying to “pluck your own eye out.” In essence, it’s a you problem, not a me problem bro
Both have a responsibility, the Bible abundantly speaks of modesty also... Try 1 Timothy 2:9
It is also written: and do not provoke one another to envy. Seeking vain glory. Jezebel is Jezebel. Follow her or not- repentence goes for the woman who do leggings and the whole top of breasts and becoming a fanous music artist unafraid of novice causing pride (Lauryn Diagle who didnt even know Romans chater ONE yet)
@@patl1128 except men can still be tempted by a "modest" women. You're attempting to shift the blame.
@mmzen yeah, maybe... according to your standards...
Yeah, men don't want to pluck their eyes out.
We cannot pick and choose which sins we will obstained from and which we will indulge, and expect God's approval. All sin in our lives breaks His heart because He loves us and died for us. Leave your life of sin, abstain, seek His strength. The Holy Spirit is able where we are not.
I love this docu-clip so much. In addition to agreeing with what's in this clip, I think that many Christian musicians are performing in church services because it's a stardom thing not a true "worship" thing. Is that okay? Imagine if a Pastor won a Grammy for best spoken word sermon. Kind of ridiculous. Like so much of American Christianity it's not at all genuine. Loved the "starter packs" described here! This is a great overdue video.
American Christianity is all about appearances, point blank. Rather than just BEING good people, they have to try and LOOK like good people while still maintaining the hate in their heart (what is it they like to say? Hate the sin, love the sinner?)
American Christianity? There's no such thing. There is only Christianity. It never changes because God never changes. It's a shame that some have twisted Christianity to conform to their own desires.
@@spencergroup Christianity in America that is truly concocted, self-serving and evil. If you believe in "God" - God has nothing to do with it.
It’s really sad how some Christians have to make everything sexual when it really isn’t. It really shows where your mind is if it always goes there. It’s like, I guess you can see it that way but it’s not.
Jumping on your band wagon, it's like... if you see this as sexual & no sex is taking place then you personally just sexualized it. Not me/others. You have made it clear where you're mind is and should be the one to have consequence for that not me over here just living my life.
One time i wore a shirt that said “you can do anything”, and my pastor thought it was something sexual and inappropriate when really its just a motivational shirt that empowers u??
Like he thought the shirt was implying men to do whatever they want with me and my body like???
I can’t help but wonder if it’s because of suppression. If you suppress any part of yourself you might project that on to everyone and everything?? That’s how I think I feel about that part of it.
@@squiffymango ew wtf??? that's terrible
@@reneebingham7872 as someone that grew up in a very repressive baptist church in matters of sexuality, I think you hit the nail on the head here. It may not be the case for every christian community, but in my experience, the misogynistic mindset of the church enabled everyone - men specially - to project their own sexual frustrations on the behavior of women.
"Can't you see you're not making Christianity better? You're just making Rock N Roll worse."- Hank Hill
Lol awesome show
I love that episode!!
"If it IS hot pink you should see a doctor"
Took the words right out of my mouth. If my baby batter was ever yellow or blue or pink I would be VERY worried.
Let's pray for people like this. Being worthy before the Lord in unbiblical.
The last time I attended church an old man called me a “punk” because I had long hair. I told him “only god can pass judgement on me.” And never returned to that church. Those people miss the point.
Never saw a rendering of the Christ in a crew-cut.
CHRIST SAVES!#!
these songs are like drugs
@@les005znbm right, the thing happened to my dad. An old man told him that "hippies" don't belong in his church. Yeah, my dad a Jesus comment as well. And left, because who wants to be around people like that. And they all seemed pretty like-minded...
@Jonathan Wolfe You also missed the point. You can say, and even prove that god passed judgement on men with long hair, but you yourself and any other person on earth cannot pass judgement. It's not your place to shame someone for their life choices, tho I get that you were just trying to prove a point and that you may not have been trying to pass judgement yourself. Still, quoting the bible to someone who likely already knows the quote just seems as though you're trying to find a loophole that allows you to judge. Also, just a quick aside, I really hope I didn't come across as aggressive or anything, I just wanted to point out that regardless of god's judgement on the matter no one is supposed to shame another person
Solution: let Christ be in the music..instead of forcing the music into "Christianity."
@Luke Monsensey Literally the only sober answer I have come across.
Amen!!!!!!!
@Jeffrey Stern I just saw in my notification that somebody tried to tell you to stop doing something inappropriate so much and then maybe you'd have a brain to understand and obviously that person's comment made them look like they are highly inappropriate and they don't know how to use their brain themselves
@Jeffrey Stern Shes saying that some music industry dont make it about christ in terms of worship, instead they give glory to man, by how they present themselves............ honestly i dont what to explains this to much work. Do YOUR OWN RESEARCH I DON'T HAVE THE TIME FOR THIS. IF YOU WANT TO BE IGNORANT THEN CONTINUE TO DO SO YOUR CHOICE. BIBLE SAYS LET THOSE WHO ARE IGNORANT BE IGNORANT STILL....bye
What
Many genres of music have been considered "subversive", in that they challenged societal norms. The rock of the 1960's often raged against the war in Vietnam, advocated sexual freedom, or challenged the consumerism of that period. Punk rock, and grunge similarly challenged societal expectations of behavior. Christian Contemporary Music's main purpose seems to be to reenforce the conformity of Conservative Christian culture, and discourage any deviation or questioning. Using music this way in other countries or cultures, it would be labelled propaganda and mind control.
“As a queer Christian” I don’t think you know the first thing of what it actually means to be a Christian…
Some people want riches, fame and awards & acknowledgement from their peers. All I want to hear is "Well done my good and faithful servant"
AMEN!
Amen.
AMEN!!!!!!!!
But a servant to God often isnt a servant for the people
@@suppersdinner119 Why do you say that?
That ten minute worm song is actually really good . I SWEAR I’ve heard it before 😂💛 . Absolutely love your content .
Hehe
+phumlazondi Thanks so much for being here!!
I felt like I definitely heard it before too
I found it quite catchy lol I'd love to hear the same song but from less of a we are worms perspective 😄😅
Historically, Christian music has always been an industry when you consider music dating from the Classical era, Baroque era, or even the renaissance era. There were even more limitations on music back then ( ex. limits on instruments, chords, keys, or melodic notation), so it’s not surprising that there are still such extreme and damaging limitations in the industry today (at least to me). Although there have been major improvements since the beginning of Christian worship music, we still have a lot more work to be done.
Also, I would love to see interviews with Black Christian artists since the music is very different from what was shown in this video. Overall, this video was very well done, the interviews were professional, respectful, but also brought up some good conversations that the church needs to be a part of.
The people in this video will be in my prayers. And I hope you know that Jesus will never give up on you just like He never gave up on me.
"If it is hot pink, you should see a doctor" killed me. Literally spat out my tea and nearly woke the hubs up.
Satan means TRUTH in ancient Vedic Sanskrit, mankind's original language. Satanisgod.org
Nnbhh Knbhj no
@@Anonymous18817 dude, you're everywhere! No it does not, the word for truth Is satya
XD
@@Anonymous18817 bro bring Jesus into your life
I'm surprised Jennifer Knapp wasn't mentioned or interviewed for this. She was a highly acclaimed Christian singer-songwriter in the late 90s/early 2000s who left the industry at the height of her popularity and came out as gay in 2010.
I was hoping to see her too.
Was looking for this comment. Her song "Peace" is still literally one of my favorite songs ever.
My thoughts exactly
We had a meeting at the Christian college I attended addressing Jennifer coming out. We were instructed to throw away her music and to no longer listen to her music.
She was really talented too, one hell of a voice and you could feel the conflict in her music which made feel real in a way that most CCM doesn't.
Jars of Clay I STILL listen to. I loved that their music wasn't specifically "christian", but about struggling with life, love, doubt... acknowledging those feelings instead of just the same kind of message "God is great, everything is fine". Questioning was always their strong point and thank goodness they kept doing it for the LGBTQ+. There's many of us that have listened to that type of music that miss it but want authentic messaging like Jars of Clay did... Grace you write it. I'll buy it.
I can relate to that! "Flood" was always my favorite Jars Of Clay songs ❤️
I don't understand why someone would listen to a Christian band that isn't Christian.
it's an oxymoron
Not necessarily. Where I grew up, the cds & cassettes in the local Christian music stores could usually be split into four types: instrumental (often classical music & instrumental versions of traditional hymns), contemporary worship (Hill Songs, Bethel Music, Robin Mark, Keith Green (later in his career) Avalon, Paul Wilbur, Jamie Grace, Skillet, Kirk Franklin, Mandisa, Tait, D-Boy, Michale W Smith, DC Talk etc.) traditional worship (traditional church gospel songs & hymns - depending on the store, this could also include things like Gregorian chants) & general/mixed (PureNRG, Petra, Super Chick, Eden’s Bridge, Britt Nicole, Five Iron Frenzy, Rhema Soul, Owl City, Reliant K etc.). ‘Modern Christian music’ was determined by 1. if the artist was vocal about being a Christian/having Christian themes in their music & 2. the songs lyrics are ‘clean’ (sometimes what makes it clean is not what’s being sung about but how it’s being sung about, ex. drugs can be talked about if it isn’t uplifting them but instead showing the pain & danger that comes from drug abuse).
Having a relationship with God makes you only care about what he thinks about you not what people think about you
The mistake is assuming worship or "Christian" music is ever about the artist or the listener. It's all about worshiping God and reflecting him. At least, that's what it should be about.
Count how many times the words I and me get used in these songs
Preach!
thank you eddie becker words to live by i'd say
There's also music about the experience of being a Christian
@@marinalina6348 how many times is I and me used in Psalms🤦🏾♀️
It's a relationship with God of course there's a lot of me in it.
That purity culture stuff really impacted and messed with a lot of us during our formative years
Seriously.
So true
Didn't it? To this day, I have issues with showing skin, even with just wearing midthigh shorts and a tshirt. All I can think about is my grandmother telling me how prostitutional I look, and how a woman shouldn't drag a man away from his faith.
That’s called religious/institutional trauma. It’s real. It’s valid.
So the anything goes world is a good idea to you? Std's and fatherless children everywhere.
GREAT INTERVIEW! IT SADDENS ME THAT THE "SO-CALLED" CHRISTIAN MUSIC COMMUNITY HAS CHOSEN TO TURN THEIR BACKS ON ANYBODY, MUCH LESS A PERSON WHO IS GAY. ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS WAS GAY: I RESPECTFULLY SAY EVERYBODY DESERVES GOD'S LOVE, NO MATTER WHAT! 😇 INCLUSION NOT EXCLUSION: I FEEL THAT MOST WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE GOD IF HE SHOWED UP AT WORSHIP SERVICES! God did not leave ANY Judging to me or anybody else: Simply put, "LOVE ONE ANOTHER," NO IFS ANDS OR BUT.
With Kind Regards, deb in SC💛
It's wild watching this in 2024 right after "Saints of Nevada" is released... Grace, you're not going to buy that album... you're going to make it...
When I was 11 years old I was walking home from school through the snow. I had on a purple sweatshirt with matching sweat pants. The last period of the day was gym and so I decided to keep the sweat pants on to keep my legs warm on the walk home. The pastor of the church my family and I attended so happened to be driving by and offered me a ride home. What I thought was just a nice gesture would soon turn out to be one of the most pivotal moments of my life which would ultimately cause a wedge between my faith and the thing I loved to do ...sing. The pastor spoke to my mom about how the bible states that women should dress like women and that me wearing sweatpants was clearly against the “code”. That Sunday I was not given the opportunity to join the worship team after the sermon and the pastor intentionally ignored me whenever I came into church. At 11 years old I was excluded from the one place where I felt I could be myself. Prior to that incident I had been singing on worship teams for 3 years including attending summer missionary trips to spread the love of Christ through music. It wasn’t long after that experience I began refusing to go to church and 4 years later I came out the closet to my mother. Things didn’t get better for me and I spent much of my teens and early twenties battling depression. I felt alone and had lost any respect for religion and those who “represented” christianity. It wasn’t until a couple of years ago while driving to work, I tuned into a christian radio station and all those good feelings came rushing back to me. I realized singing worship was not something I needed permission to do and that I could do it anytime and anywhere. That moment I decided to work on my relationship with God because no person or church could separate me from Him.The key to that relationship has always been and will always be music! I am now married to a wonderful woman and we have a child together. We also pray together and she doesn’t mind me singing elevation worship songs at the top of my lungs. Thank you for shedding light on this issue in christian music and I hope this brings validation to other as it has done for me. Thank You!
It makes me happy to hear that even though you had such a hard experience in you’re life, your relationship with God is still there. I didn’t grow up in a very religious household, but I did grow up having a relationship with God. Sometimes I’ve wondered if I’m wrong for rarely going to church, but I remind myself that God is everywhere and we don’t have to be in one specific place in order to strengthen that bond 🤍
I'm so sorry for what you went through! I hope you are happy now! Sending love and peace!
Cynthia Morales I was a member of elevation they do not serve Christ. They preach that health wealth and prosperity “cult freedom “. The Bible might make us uncomfortable with our sins but, God never cared what you wore. So that pastor was in the wrong. It wasn’t his place to judge your clothes. He is clear on a lot though so don’t be mislead by comfort preaching. We are not worthy of God’s love which is why we needed Christ as a world. Todd Friel, Voddie Bauchman , Ray Comfort those are men that talk and walk Bible. Elevation is a world church not a God church. I don’t miss it. I say this with love as I would to anyone that speaks about the furtick church.
@Eric Hinkley wow, wrong take. You obviously don't understand simple psychology. That's sad.
That's great!
I wish more people would realize that the church is full of people. And people are fallible. So you will run into those who don't do things perfectly all the time. It shouldn't stand in your way of coming to Christ.
Question: Why is white Christian music called "Christian music" and black Christian music called "Gospel"?
(My reason for the question is outside the U.S..we call all Christian music "Gospel". but coming to the States, I was confused by the labeling. I have learned a lot from some of the comments)
Gospel sounds way cooler imo
Southern is called gospel. Not black
Ya racist.
Damn, that question too hard
@@litbopeep5726 so....you go around calling people racist for asking questions, instead of trying to educate what you know.
I'm Brazilian and in Brasil we call gospel every christian music
One can not cherry pick what God commands us based on what we want to follow. He is quite clear in the Bible on these matters.
I don’t go to church to listen to a band concert. I want to sing about God and His Attributes, and I want to hear other worshipers. I don’t need loud loud bass. I’m not of the world where I need to hear rock and roll music. I want church music.
I left the Toxicity of the church. I never, ever left God.. x
God loves you of course but not every church teaches the true gospel !! I hope you find a true Christ loving church xx
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Amen.
sarah smith I know how to read. I have a bible. I don’t need a middle man.
Well put!
The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.
- Brennan Manning
No one is without sin except Jesus. Every christian turns from Christ and chooses their own way at times. Blaming the sinful decisions of non-christians on the fact that christians are not perfect is a delusion. It's like saying: "I'm never going back to the gym! Did you see all the hypocritical fat people in there!!!!"
Some people christians say on a sunday i want revival, but then on monday can not even find their bible. I do not want that to be a part of that, I want to praise/worship Him regardless.
Bruce Hemsworth looool literallly it’s actually shameful, well said 👏🏽
@@pfrost45 well said!
That should be a lesson NEVER take a human's word for it, go to the Source directly. I've learned that as a Christian, ex Christian and thanks to Christ He taught me and is still today.
from the beginning of time, the standards of holiness and sanctification have never changed. The word of God clearly demonstrates God's purpose and plan for humanity. I don't understand how the standards are being rewritten to suit our personal lifestyles. God has been very merciful and he has given us free will to make choices on how we desire to live. God desires all of mandkind to follow the example that he has first established from the creation of adam and eve.
Very thought-provoking piece. I've always felt like the Christian music industry is a wing of the church that magnifies the message that the church leaders want to be put forward, rather than being free to use their platform to bring awareness to the many inequities/hypocrisies within the church. Which is really quite sad. The change would need to come from the top which is not likely to happen as the church leadership gets increasingly entrenched in right-wing politics. Hopefully, I'm wrong.
What is sad, is people running roughshod over the Word of God, spitting in God's face, pretending that God Himself did not condemn homosexuality as a sin in both Old and New Testaments. It is not about God hating anyone or about homosexuality being especially evil, per se, as much as it is that ALL mankind has a sinful nature according to the Bible, and ALL must die and be reborn into a "new creature." If that happens for real, then "old things shall pass away" (2 Corinthians 5:17).
The Church--to the degree that it is faithful to Scripture--MUST remain committed to follow what Jesus said to follow. Not just do whatever modern ideas of "love" currently demand.
@@s1lverspurs you are correct!
Evangelicals: "As Christians we value truth and honesty."
LGBTQ Christians: "Okay, I'm LGBTQ."
Evangelicals: "No."
Don't see how that really applies. Being a Christian means you want to follow what God likes and don't do what he dislikes. He doesn't like homosexuality and people who say it's okay go against Christianity. Not really a good comparison at all
@@ginnyfromdablock7551 Thanks for proving my point.
Very that
@Fìfì Fẹ́mi Because pleasing Christ means treating people like garbage. Not my Jesus.
@@ginnyfromdablock7551 There is more verses telling you what you should not eat and how to obtain slaves in the bible than there is about homosexuality. Plus the famous "man shall not lie with man as women" verse that christians LOVE to throw at the community, might have possibly been mistranslated and the actual translation is man shall not lie with boy as he does a women. Because the temples had boy servants working in them.
When they made up that song and music video, I was in stitches because it was so dang accurate.
;)
+kristinawright LOL!!
Ohmygod same. It really was though. I grew up southern baptist (no longer a part of any church), and my boyfriend and I love to make random worship songs w/ random strings of Christian music buzzword phrases.. It's too easy.
I can't be concise regarding this subject but I'll try:
I'm a Catholic Christian and had been active in my community for years in different groups (one of them as a catechist for people from 14 to 23yrs old). Most people don't know this but in the book "Catechism of the Catholic Church" (which is the basic manual that compiles all of the teaching of the tradition of the Church) it says:
Section 2358: "The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not
negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them, it is a trial. They
must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination
in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and,
if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may
encounter from their condition."
(You can also read Sections 2357 and 2359, also important. They were too long to add them here).
The whole purpose of sex (according to our Christian theology) is about procreation and the union of a man and a woman to be partners for life, to procreate and protect a family. Homosexuality wouldn't add up with the "design" and use of the human body and its procreating purpose. So is just a belief we have (the same as Hindus believe cows are sacred) that homosexuality is not correct (the same as promiscuity between heterosexuals, actually). But that DOESN'T mean homosexuals are inferior or must be discriminated ever. Homosexuality doesn't define a person, is just a preference. The homosexual is still as any other person with likes and dislikes, capabilities, abilities, interests, desires, fears, love, careers, etc...
At my parish, I have gay friends who also were active in groups and no one would ask them about their sex life. As another (kind-of) example: My mom and dad had a relationship in free union (my dad divorced) for 30 years. They couldn't take Communion but they were still active in the community. My dad was master coordinator of all coordinators of the 40 groups my parish had. And they even, as a couple, were part of the parish council (the "elders" that gather with the parish priest about decisions and things to solve at the parish). There's this phrase that we all must understand and remember: judge the sin, not the sinner.
So, yeah... I have gay friends who I love so much, I just don't agree with their beliefs about sexuality. I'd defend them if I saw anyone being discriminative against them, but I couldn't support their acts, I just don't believe they're correct.
The" modern" Christian method that she speaks of and the problems that other Christians have pointed out concerning her music video portraying in a way that could cause others to stumble IS Biblical! It is very clear that many of these "Christian" musicians are more in love with producing their songs and music than reading, knowing, and living the Word of God and truly glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ, or spreading the gospel . The truth be told that most so called Christian music ( musicians/singers) today are nothing more than those who hold to some religious beliefs and who are also embracing the world.
confession: I was a worship leader and YA Assistant lead of the whole worship department directly under the two department heads (i had an office and everything) and served in church leadership literally from age 10 to 21. When I was 18, I was at the height of my leadership and set to be grown as the next Leader of the Worship department. something I’d been working for for nearly 10 years, helping build the church from a single location as it grew into a multi campus mini mega church.
My close friend at the time had just turned 18 that year. There was a 34 year old man who was the lead guitarist that I played with weekly, and knew well. He was a manager at the place she worked, and coerced her into having sex with him on work property. SHE WAS 18 AND HE WAS 34! AND HE WAS MARRIED. he was revered among the team as a wholesome and fun guy, and I had to keep this secret as she asked me to protect her identity and He wondered why I suddenly hated him. I went to church one week I wasn’t singing, and I was with her. WE RAN INTO HIM AND HIS WIFE and it was the most uncomfortable thing ever. quickly after the encounter, she ran to the bathroom and cried as I comforted her.
They to this day have had no reason to look into the weirdness that occurred.
Another time, I came to an elder, knowing full well I should be able to confide in them especially due to my involvement in the church. I cried in shame as I told them that I kissed a girl for the first time and I was afraid of going to hell because I thought I was bisexual.
I was slowly ostracized and pushed out.
I know that if some of the leaders were aware they would have never tolerated it, but the fact that after 12 years of my life I just splintered off and was struggling and wasn’t even reached out to. my father built the church with his own hands, put hours of labor into building the campuses out of his love for God. our family fell apart. and no one reached out.
This is the problem. The church needs to protect the congregation, but how can they if they don’t even protect their leaders?
I have so many more stories. I am
thinking of starting a channel or blog to share them, so that others who have suffered from similar things in the church and felt abandonment from them can feel a little less alone.... I’m so sorry to anyone else who has been hurt by the church
they’ve grown so much since then but it still breaks my heart that they didn’t do what the could to protect us then
thank you Grace for what you do.
I have similar stories and I’m privately blogging about them. I don’t feel like anyone really wants to deal with my pain. I’m Pagan now. I want nothing to do with the two-faced people I grew up with in churches.
Start your blog!! ❤
wow, that is so sad but really common in churches everywhere. Makes one wonder what the real purpose of a church is if not to take care of its people. Too much emphasis on how things appear on the outside rather than authenticity, and a lot of outdated theology.
I didn't go through what you did. But I have been get by the church so much that I don't know if I'm ever going back. I might just be associated with the closest Hillsong for the socials and have my quiet time with the Lord. Church isn't what it was created to be. And I'm honestly exhausted and done
same. my mainly korean american church has caused so much suffering and breakdowns for me and my friends
this is veryyyyy white....
Ccm is very white trust me. My mom would mostly listen to ccm and it's mainly white with 1 black artist
Trinity oh I am very aware. I used to sing it.
very white.
It is white people music after all
Yuuuuuuup.
I just wanted to share with you something I learned as a Christian and a fan of the band Queen for 43 years. Freddie Mercury was sent to a Christian boarding school at the age of 7. He wrote or sang more songs about or referred to Jesus, Christ or God the creator than any other theme. Songs like...Jesus, Mad the Swine, The Miracle, Is this the World We Created?, My Life has been saved, and others. Also I think the origin of one of the most famous lines in music history came from a gay teenager in a Christian school it is easy to understand where the line "Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me" came from. There are so many more examples, it's a"Rabbit Hole you may find worth going down.
The moment she said she was a queer Christian, I knew I had no business watching this opinion piece. Queer and Christian do not go together.
Honestly, I want my Christian artist to be real. I want to know about their faith struggles, their depression, and how God is there for them throughout the battle. It’s part of the reason why I’ve been looking to other forms of Christian music, instead of what’s being played on the radio
That's why I like Lecrae and Andy mineo
that’s why i like jon bellion!
Facts
That's why I like NF
Elevation Worship has been that for me! They've often been negatively described as "broken music for broken people" and honestly changed my life 💚💙💜
I cried when the lead singer from Jars of Clay got emotional and apologised to Grace. He really heard her and understood how messed up that must have been for her. This series is so important.
I was a witch, sex worker, suicidal, and an addict and I encountered God about a year ago. I heard him say “ I have work for you to do” I’ve been saved since March 22,2021. He’s restored the pets of me I thought were forever broken. He can do the same for you 🙏🏻💙
I remember when Christian dubstep started to be a thing, and I was so happy because it was finally Christian music that broke out of the same old stuff, and often had different themes that felt more real. Now I realize that some of that came out of things like Christian metal and alternative styles, but at the time Soundcloud was new, and it was a place where people could try new things. I've been a fan of Eleventyseven for a while, a Christian pop-punk band that's gone in a different direction after going indie, and they had some great insights into the issues. Five Iron Frenzy's newer stuff and journey was really eye opening as well.
I worked at a church run summer camp a few times, and we were basically told to pander to the most conservative attendees (mostly during family camp), and it was really hard. It was like, what you wear, what you sing, what you do... It was a very difficult mindset to promote, and hard to know what to do. I'm genderqueer/agender, and I love music, I've always wanted to write songs (I've only done a few), but it's hard to get all the parts of me to work together. Thankfully after finding an online group of trans and non-binary Christians, I've realized that there's a difference between Christianity in terms of the set of beliefs, vs the culture that seen as Christian, like CCM, Pureflix, etc. I've never fit the "ideal Christian" whether that be due to gender, ADHD, or disability, and it's taken me a lot of searching, and separating society from beliefs, from internal biases, to come to terms with who I am, and what I believe. But I'm glad I made that journey, and found some great supportive Christians along the way. I just wish it wasn't so hard to do. Although looking back, Jars of Clay was always more relatable than other bands like Casting Crowns, and it's interesting to see the ways they've had things play out in this world where everything seems to be politicized. I have the CD of Inland, and often put that in my stereo when I need to have a safe place, and none of the current CCM does that. The most popular Christian artist I still listen to is Matthew Parker, and that's because he does something different with being more EDM focused, and I've been following his stuff for around 10 years at this point. I actually heard him in Michael's craft store a couple years ago.
Oml i feel so weird commenting on this years later, but as a nonbinary person exploring their faith and where they fit in it, this was so life-affirming and reassuring. I hope you're doing well.
The dark reality is when you shift your focus from God to the music
Exactly ...
The "dark reality" of what? Being true to yourself?
Amen
All these christian comments sound like a creepy brainwashed cult. Glad I got out of it with my braincells intact.
Balance is not always a realistic achievement sometimes you yo-yo & nobody’s perfect in general SO why add EXCESSIVE WEIGHT to the cross anyone bears?!?
The Church is not acting like Jesus..he says come as u are
Come as you are, but leave changed. In John 8, when the crowd wanted to stone the adulteress, Jesus said “The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). When no one threw a stone and they all left, he asked the adulteress, ‘“Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?’ ‘No one, Lord,” she answered.’” What Jesus said next is so important for our church today! We are all sinners, unrighteous in the eyes of God, but Christ took our iniquity and he wore it so that we could become right with God! That doesn’t mean that we should keep on going “as we are” because God calls us to become better, to become more like Him! Jesus didn’t say ”I’ll love you unconditionally” He said He loved us so much that the one condition (compared to the hundreds of conditions in the Old Testament) was to glorify Him in our lives and love Him with all our heart! Yes, Jesus welcomes you as you are. But just like with the adulteress, when we walk away He tells us: “‘Neither do I condemn you,’ said Jesus. ‘Go, and from now on do not sin anymore.’” (John 8:11). He is perfectly merciful, perfectly just. He takes us as we are: shame, guilt, doubt, sin and all. But when He touches us, we are called to walk away with new hearts to be more like Him.
Grace Sanders He also said to leave EVERYTHING and follow him. NO ONE is doing that. How come?
@@SeekerGoOn2013 I think that so often we get caught in our own love of sin and the world. That commandment, that question (paraphrased) that he asks: "Will you leave everything you've ever known behind to run after me" is one of the most terrifying things to confront as Christ followers. Compared to Luke 9:56-62 (the passage you're referring to in your comment), the way we are called to leave everything looks different in this age. Jesus isn't going to literally stop us on the dirt road to Jerusalem and physically tell us "Follow me." It's different now, but just as difficult. Denying the world and the desires of our flesh is not a popular decision. We, as true Christians, are not liked for it; we are misunderstood, judged and ridiculed for following Christ the way you've mentioned: "leaving EVERYTHING" behind. It's the cost of discipleship. He's not a God that accepts "I'll follow You, BUT...", "I love You, BUT...", or "I want to know You, BUT..." He tells us PLAINLY to take up our cross and follow Him, and we all know that cross leads to suffering, trials, tribulation, judgment and ultimately death. For lukewarm Christians (like me, so many times), it's hard to understand why following God costs us everything the world says should be important to us: money, relationships, sex, idols, popular culture, etc. So we reason that it doesn't have to. We twist it so it does the opposite. That's the AMERICAN GOSPEL in a nutshell. But the Christ of the Bible, just like you've said, tells us in order to truly pursue Him, we can't pursue anything else. He has to be at the center, He has to be our prize. The bottom line is that no one is leaving everything to follow Him because it's hard. We love sin, we are rebellious, and in many ways we hate God (it sounds harsh, but that's the truth of it). But in order to truly love Him and understand His will for our lives, we have to deny our inherently sinful selves and worldly desires, and find our purpose and our delight in the Lord alone.
@@gracesanders230 a career in the lime light, and the platform to reach and inspire thousands. The security of a job and a dream. Would one sacrifice that to ask and do what needs to be done, no matter the backlash?
Come as you are doesn't mean remaining in yours sins God is able to change us
Firstly, I'm so confused why they started off with insults from haters... and ended there. Surely, Love Collide had supporters too? Yet the conclusion is drawn from the haters that - "this community does not practice what they preach."
Then later they went on to write two versions of worship songs where BOTH are focused on self... The point of the first song was to "sing over and over that you are unworthy". Then Lauren proceeded to say: "I would rather sing a worship song that says "I am worthy. I belong."" Does the irony of that sentence not escape anyone? A WORSHIP song (to God), talking all about us... As CS Lewis once said, "" I just keep seeing the opposite going on here.
And the thing about being unworthy... It is not the same as being of little worth. Yes, we are completely undeserving ("unworthy") of God's saving grace. HOWEVER, in God's eyes, does it not make sense that we must have been of INFINITE worth that Jesus would be willing to submit Himself to one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death (crucifixion - the Roman capital punishment at that time) to save us? Why go to such lengths for people who are of no worth?
There are also many Christian artists who have also gone to great lengths to ensure their songs are theologically sound. Yet Grace and Lauren, are choosing to focus on the songs that do not... In that case, "The Dark SIDE Of The Christian Music Industry" would have been a more appropriate title. This narrative ain't all there is to it.
Jars of Clay was my favorite band growing up. I always felt that their music was all inclusive and came from a place of genuine love for people.
Creating an open dialogue and having an open mind is so important. Most, not all, Christians I speak with that are older don't like the questions that stem from the open dialogue. They don't want to speak to anything that could tarnish the 'Holier than thou' or 'squeaky clean' mentality. Thank you for creating the dialogue. Your countenance is so sweet and compassionate. Don't ever lose that
Man as someone who’s a Christian, it just makes me so sad to see how close minded people in this community can be!!:( We need more attainable role models in this community who represent every single group. I’m straight and felt I couldn’t live up to the standards put before me as a teen, so I can’t even imagine the treatment and judgement I would have received if I’d come out as LGBTQ. Really sad because the whole religion is supposed to be about love and acceptance.
Lot's of so called christians don't know what unconditional love is. It means loving EVERYONE, you can't pick and choose.
So i cant love and disagree with how a person chooses to live life especially if its against Gods word? Huh. Guess youd rather be wrong than corrected. But hey God gave us free will.
The Christian is not supposed to accept sin. Jesus began preaching "Repent". We are not to be conformed to the world, but be transformed by God's Word. Roman's chapter 1 is a warning not to become accepting; NOT condoning that we become like the world.
We have an attainable role model. Jesus. Stop looking at fallen men, and look at the Lord, in whose image we were chosen before the foundation of the world to be conformed. His burden is lite, no man who wasn't on the cross can judge you. We're all saved by the sacrifice of the Lamb, Jesus. There is non righteous without Jesus, so who can give you a standard of righteousness. All have sinned and "fall short".
Lastly, Christ Jesus is love, he is not about love. And he's not about religion. He is about Gods kingdom being effused among all mankind. To all that receive.
I'm an atheist but I a lot of times when I bring up the question of LGBTQ+ rights to Christians I talk to they get annoyed at me for always bringing up the "gay issue" cause belief is about so much more. Uhm if you can't talk about the issues and discrimination in your own church then why should I even listen to all your fluff fluff happy talk trying to convince me I should dedicate my whole life to Jesus?
The 2 greateat Commands paraphrased:
Love God
Love People
You can love people and still respectfully disagree with them.. And yes even love them.
As Christians we believe homosexuality is wrong, and not how God designed us to live..
So the question of discrimination.
My counter question is; knowing that, why would a gay person want to hold a position in a church that believes that?
Wouldnt that be like a White man wanting to lead the NAACP, or a man wanting to be in charge of a feminist organization.?
Or a Boston Red Sox fan wanting to be president of a New York Yankees fan club?
There are churches that ignore scripture and openly accept individuals who practice homosexuality.. So find those and go there...
But the bottomline for me is, they should understand why most Christians believe homosexuality is wrong because they are devoted to God and the scriptures. But that doesnt give them excuse to not love their neighbor, no matter who they are..
Seem like no one wants to look at the issue from both sides....
So basically, what do you mean by "discrimination"?
That is a broad statement.
You're right
@@chrislemons38 thing is I'm atheist for many many different reasons and the whole scripture argument is heavily debated, especially amongst scholars cause you need to take a lot of factors into account, translation, intended meaning,historical context etc. There's actually very little evidence in the Bible that is explicitly anti-homosexuality as we understand the term today and and a lot of these bits can be disputed (the whole you shall not lay with another men stuff can be interpreted in a historical context of men raping other men, not them having a monogamous loving relationship, thus it doesn't even apply to todays ideas of same sex couples. It's really interesting to read up upon if you're open enough to do so! And there are many scholars that do write interesting papers about this! lesbianism for example isn't even covered in the Bible! (Probably cause women's sexuality has been historically denied)
Even if you think the Bible was 1:1 advice: isn't there sth. about not eating "blood" too? Or what about menstruating women being unclean and everyone who touches then will be unclean too? Do you believe in those rules and that every women should avoid contact to others during their period? What about women having to cover up their hair and not cutting it?
Most of these are argued against as they are seen as cultural references at the time, so to me it seems the issue is not: is there one sentence in the Bible that can be interpreted this way but it's about: what are my/my churches personal opinions and how can I implement them today?
E.g.: Biblical arguments have been made promoting colonialism, slavery and racism under the pretense of the bible... Which luckily no one in their right mind believes in today!
Bonus points for picking those aspects that don't affect your life and build on discriminating marginalised groups that already have it hard enough...
@@chrislemons38 also more bonus points for speaking an behalf of all Christians.
Edit cause I apparently have a lot to say: except for the sports argument which is just personal preference and a choice didn't you always use an oppressor trying to lead a marginalized group? So wouldn't the arguement be reversed so a Conservative Christian doesn't try to lead a LGBTQ movement and not the other way around? Plus a white man can still support both causes and listen to what those associations have to say. I guess the argument/examples just don't really hold up to me. Plus it assumes lgbtq can't be united with faith whoch as said before is definitely not the ultimate consensus. Your example might work if you put an atheist trying to lead the church as the belief is the main focus of Christianity, not the views on gay rights. So it would be more like telling that sports team person they can't lead the group cause their favorite drink is Dr.Pepper and not coke which is the sponsor of that team.
Watch out with 'redo-ing' your own memories to conform with a current political stance... I have a hard time even imagining what that would be, but if I do try to imagine it, it gets scary pretty quick
“The artist's task is to save the soul of mankind; and anything less is a dithering while Rome burns. Because of the artists, who are self-selected, for being able to journey into the Other, if the artists cannot find the way, then the way cannot be found.” - T McKenna
Oh wow so this is why Jars of Clay was out of circulation. Man I gotta listen to their music now. The vocalist is an ally 😍
Judas Priest had and still has an out gay dude for a singer, Rob Halford, trust me, they are pro gay marriage and Painkiller beats any CCM song you can find.
Wow I haven’t listened to Jars of Clay in years and I had fallen in love with them back then. Putting them in my Apple Music playlist!
I love them even more now. Always loved them. I must be under a rock I had no idea.
look up trey pearson! he was lead singer of everyday sunday, and came out as gay several years ago! his ex wife supports him too!
@@kariarabellalassauniere402 Its not a contest. You can listen to both. Judas Priest is metal, Jars of Clay is indie rock.
Honestly, this all sounded like a cult to me. The over policing of the artists, turning their back on followers who just voiced their beliefs, even the labels given to their audience!
People idolise people instead of knowing God for themselves. Reading the bible and comunitcating with God is the way to go.
Hell yea. The measure of how good a song is should be anointing. I felt it on Grace's worm song, 😀
You’re not wrong... most people wouldn’t use the title because of a super negative association but yes it has all the rules of a cult. It’s just widely considered benevolent enough to pass as fine. There’s this weird argument that people have to be Christians to be good people yet there’s good ppl all over the world so....
@@charlesjenkinson5020 Yes, I heard it too!
That's because it is. Read about how cults brainwash people and keep them in constant fear. Its the same tactics used by the church!
If you want to listen to truly happy worship music listen to Benny Friedman. These people are happy and their songs are about the joy they have in God. There's such happiness and joy in their songs and music.
I'm honestly having a hard time understanding the true point of the video. It seems that the word of God which is what we should live by is being pushed to one side and the people who are trying to live by it are only judgmental people who aren't really trying just judging.
The true meaning of worship and praise isn't being mentioned worship music should be to worship God and praise music should be to praise God directly.
Singing about ones life is a testimony, it's edifying if it's to help spiritually to move Forward not stay stuck in a cycle that gets repeated because Jesus came to get us out of generational curses and deliver us too of what demons were let in by opening a door.
So what's the point of the video?
My thoughts exactly
@@micdrop3201 The only reason I watched the video is because I felt joy as I thought someone else knowing the truth about the influence and influences of music and through music.
It's biblical that davids heart was as the heart of the Lord's and when King Saul was being tormented by spirits, David would play his instrument so those tormenting spirits would leave, so even if an instrument is being played the listener will be ministered weather it be good and edifying to praise God if it's coming from a Christians consecrated heart or whatever that person is living will be ministered, I'm only talking about Christian music that of the world we already know is not edifying.
So yeah that's what not many talk about and rather not talk about so it's why so many Christians really trying to get close to God who listen to people who sing just to sing but and are called to sing for it's their talent but are still lukewarm will not help the listeners spiritually.
The song will sound perfect but if it's not backed by the Holy Spirit.
Anyone getting on the altar weather to preach, teach, sing, or just play an instrument whatever it is they should first know they will minister to all the listeners and whatever they carry in their hearts is what's coming out and God forbid it's the opposite of God's will.
We have to be very careful what we listen to and if we know someone isn't walking right with God, stop letting them minister into our hearts whatever spirits they have in them. It's the same as if they're laying hands on us it can't be done by just anyone over just anyone.
The spiritual realm is hard to understand by many and those who live a comfortable lukewarm or ungodly want to normalise and make everything Christian even if it's evil as long as the word God is in it or Jesus and sadly many Christians buy it 😢 💔 God must be so sad for His people that are backsliding over the careless fake Christians and the ones who do it inadvertently but all will be judged. The Holy Spirit speaks to all, at one point we all know
That fake music video really got me 😂
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GOD HONORING ANGST! If my mom knew she could have done that with my emo phase it would have been over for me lol
Lmao basically all the xXXchristXcoreXXx bands. But it's kinda interesting how those bands actually do cross over to the emo/hardcore/metal scene, while the other Christian rock bands are completely unheard of by the non-Christian music world.
I had a classmate that would listen to christian metal on his emo phase
One of my favorite movie lines is from Hannah and Her Sisters. Frederick (played by Max von Sydow) proclaims “If Jesus were alive today and saw what they are saying in his name, he would never stop throwing up."
I remember growing up with Christian music and having had friends who were touring artists several years ago. In the past 12 years or so I have just noticed a huge slump in the number of Christians who are genuine and honest about who they are but who put others down who are tired of towing the line and want to follow a path that is truly genuine for them. I salute those who can be honest about who they are, what motivates them, and how they want to live. Jesus advocated openness to all who would come to him, not all who could put on a cloak of perfection first and then come. In this video, I totally appreciated the emphasis on saying I am worthy rather than the demeaning rhetoric the church tries to put across that all people are unworthy. So much damage done to so many people.
Jesus also advocated laying your life down. Christianity involves transformation, not necessarily affirmation of everything you are.
As a worship leader, I have so many problems with CCM. I try to look at songs with solid theology and appropriate for congregational worship. When I look at CCM, the theology tends to be very shallow and making ourselves feel good. Outside of a church setting, that's fine, but it is usually expected to be played in church if it is on the charts. Just remember CCM ≠ worship music.
Songs shouldn't just say "I am worthy" either. It's true, but it's not the whole truth. I am made worthy because Jesus Christ died for my sins. Through Jesus, I can boldly approach God with no fear of condemnation.
I'm Orthodox. All of our hymns are like 1600 years old, so we dont have to worry about this problem lol
Truth !
Why did god want to condemn us in the first place?
I’d always thought Christian and Gospel were the same till I moved to the States and started attending my local, majority-black church. I think this video reinforces this distinction, in that I see the subject matter more related to Christian music than gospel music.
Because Refinery29 is part of the problem they are racist. Refinery29 choses to pay all the white employees more than their black employees.
www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/business/media/refinery-29-christene-barberich.html
If you love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
It’s crazy how through their journey of finding closeness with God not once do they use the word of God (scriptures) to find direction but rather people’s opinions.
That’s our problem as creation
We tend to look at everyone else’s flaws and instead we make up our own way on how to serve and worship God.
In other words.
In essence we’re saying
“ we don’t care what YOU say God on what’s good or bad. We will serve and worship you the way WE feel is best to do so.
……The only way out of this cycle of deception
Is to Repent and trust in the Love of our father. And in what he has done for us on the cross.
Let him set the boundary on what is good
Not us. Not our feelings. Not our opinion.
I think it needs to be clear this is white Christian music which is really just inspired by black music..like all American music is. Larry Norman did not make Christian rock popular. Arguably Sister Rosetta Tharp did when she thought gospel to the main stream. A black LGBTQ woman. This is a really interesting story and has important information but feels really white washed?
Does it matter in this context??? They arent speaking about the history of christian music, they're talking about the culture and how its effecting the artists and the fans, and it's a VERY negative and damaging effect. I mean theres a place to have a conversation about your point but I don't think it belongs in this one.
Scandi Snowgirl you’re right, it is totally damaging! and this video is super important and has a lot of great info. (Also I just love Grace and all of these vids.) But saying the first person to make Christian rock popular was Larry Norman, is just factually incorrect and slightly erases black christian music and gospel. It may seem like such a small thing to change it to the first white man to bring Christian rock to the forefront. But that recognizes black artists, and black history. Which really needs to be done more and more, and the only way to do that is to start dialogue like this! I’m glad you commented! :)
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@@scandisnowgirl3696 it very much does matter. Because the issues being experienced by the artists in this documentary are being experienced by Black gospel artists too. Why not capture their stories also?
@@1991-present I literally said that should be a separate conversation bc it's a unique experience to this one. Combining the two just would detract from what's happening to another marginalised group. It's like having a conversation about domestic violence towards women and a man coming along and saying "but it happens to men too!". It diverts the conversation away from people who need support with a valid conversation that should happen in it's own space. I'm not saying that's not important, but that it deserves it's own conversation so that the two dont try to compete with each other.
Why can't the songs just be about worshipping Jesus for Who HE is...??? Just gotta look at Him. It's not about us, we are called to give up ourselves....
Amen
I like to think that all of them start out just like that i.e worshiping God 100% through songs, but then later on, Pride sets in and then all goes down south from there. They put them first then God second.
Tavioka Tavuteke EXACTLY my friend you are right it’s very unfortunate 🙁
amen
Because Jesus was a teacher who was also psychotic. Just because the man told people he was god, didn't mean he believed it, or even that you should worship a god who demands blood sacrifice. That's gross. And violent. Stop that.
I can not believe a company or Industry would ever chastise a person for not towing the line? Ohhh glad this only ever happens in Christian music industry and no where else in Corporate America. Thank you for exposing such a horrible crime. When you have a employer that forces you to believe they way they want you to. Is just wrong so wrong
So are you mad for people actually believe the Bible and not affirming sin? Should we afirm someones gluttony or pride? Should we also afirm someone cheating on their spouse? Should we affirm a murderer? Sin is sin. To call it not sin is minnimiming God's grace or implying your sin is too big for God to forgive
I think if a ‘christian brother’ stumbles over an inch of skin and such things it is their own fault and shortcoming
Phantom Wanderer: God also tells us in the Bible that we should not make our brother or sister stumble in the Lord. Let’s say a brother in Christ is a recovering alcoholic, shall we pour a glass a wine and drink it in front of him? Of course not, we don’t want to tempt him. Same with a sister in the Lord. God tells women to be modest. She shouldn’t dress in a way that would tempt a brother in Christ. If you’re wearing a mid-drift shirt, I’d say that’s not very modest.
horror movies This is a very interesting topic. It is either the freedom of what an individual wants to express (in this situation, their clothing) or follow expectations (depending on the person, modest perhaps.) of others on what is appropriate to wear. Now we have the factor of self control and also decency. It is difficult to come to a choice because of the various minds of one individual and those who make up society. Let’s try to keep this civil, I want to hear everyone else’s thoughts.
@@horrormovies1307 I thought modesty referred to not having braided hair and ridiculous jewelry though? I guess all those ladies with diamonds and tacky earrings should be scolded then. Cultural context is everything, and at the time the New Testament was written, women already wore loose fitting clothes. Didn't stop them from getting raped though. :(
@@horrormovies1307 god also says woman aren't allowed to preach in church or hold power also the Bible outlines how to own slaves so if we really want to get into scriptures then let's get in them but stop picking and chosinf what you should and shouldn't have to follow. Either follow it all and be a good little Christian or stop making it seem like you're better than someone else because you 'help your brother not stumble' this is why religion is not needed in modern times honestly.
@@horrormovies1307 and if you're letting a man tell you that you can't wear a certain thing because all he sees is you in a sexual way then that is signs to not have that type of person in your life. Or youre just so weak willed that you automatically listen. Either way to subject yourself to that type of treatment shows a lot about you. Take control of your body
The music is not made for the people but God, that's the error.
Exactly I have been in churches and been shocked to realise the band is playing to the audience not God.
She said “queer Christian “. ... you can’t be a gay nor a lesbian,neither liar or fornicator , theft , or murderer and expect to see the Kingdom of God. Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior ? Do you hear from Him? The Lost and professing followers of Christ don’t even know Him. It’s a just mouth service , these people are false followers of Christ and it’s so noticeable. They need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ , Repent , and endure till the end. Keep the faith , open the Bible and see whether you are in the faith. It’s never about looking cool , it’s about being presentable and blameless through Jesus Christ as our Savior. Wake up brothers and Sisters.
TO YOU! In Gods kingdom , all sin is the same CHECK the Bible. All sin is worthy of death. Why do you care about your opinion or anyone else’s when it’s comes to Jesus. Why not see His words on Life.
@@knowsalvation.christjesus9944 and your the problem
Hello problem
I just want people to see how their sin directly effects their relationship with God and creates unbelief in their heart and mind . I speak from experience,.. The only problem is that people that don’t KNOW Jesus Christ is on the throne, the people who don’t hear from Him , the people who walk in ignorance because they still love their sin. They are the problem, I lived a life like that 10 months ago, Jesus Christ changes lives and everything you thought you knew. You want a miracle ? Ask Jesus Christ if everything the Bible says is true .Ask Him if He really died on the cross WHILE we were sinners. If you get no answer fine ,I’m crazy but I know if you really truly ask Him without being the prideful people we are . You’ll get your answer and your own life will change. You’ll know everything He did is real and then you’ll see how much we and the world have sinned against Him. Yet ,God made a way through Jesus Christ. This is your wake up call, to really honestly ,take a step in faith and ask Jesus to forgive you and really let Him be your God. The world is evil and will continue to be evil. It doesn’t mean we ,you ,and I have to be . I pray Jesus shows you what He did on the cross for You. I love you have a good day!
I swear, these people truly SERVE another power. Why bother, let them be.
As a Christian for 48 years, I have found that no one makes people run away from Christ's message faster than the Christians who shun anyone who doesn't interpret scripture exactly as they do.
The part where the first musician gave an account of how men criticized her for showing a smidge of skin when she was raising your hands, I'm just embarrassed that fellow men would criticize women for ''tempting'' instead of the guy should see her as a human being.
I look forward to hearing songs that declare we are as innocent now as the day we were created by our loving Creator. NOTHING can change what God has done! Mistakes can be made, but they don’t undo the lovely creations that God has made.
I never comment but I am and now just because I haven't seen anyone else comment about it. There is a reason Christian music, books, etc., say we aren't worthy. It's because we aren't. No one is worthy of someone else dyeing for them. It's the ultimate sacrifice. That is why we build monuments for veterans. Jesus died for us and we will never be worthy of that, but that isn't a bad thing. We say that so we can reflect of the mercy of grace of God. To ignore it would be missing the point. It's not a "Oh, I'm so unworthy! I suck! I am but bird food." but rather "I am unworthy and yet God forgave and loves me! Wow!"