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I was taught growing up that being gay was a choice and that I shouldn't ever talk about it because it was a dirty topic. I remember being 7 years old and playing wedding with my best friend while my other friend videoed the "ceremony" with an old flip phone. When my mom found us, we were told to delete it and given a lecture about acting appropriately. I'll never forget the way my mother looked at me with disgust, or the fear in my best friends eyes when my mom mentioned her parents finding out. I'm still a lesbian and I'm still afraid, but I will never let hate stop me from embracing the love I feel.
@@roselichtman3810 It saddens me a lot of people in our community goes through such things. Wish everyone knows they're beautiful and should be proud no matter who or how they love.
Sending love and good wishes :))
I love your content refinery29! This is as real as it gets and Grace and her team thank you for making this journey. God’s love calls all to him ♥️ love is love through and through ♥️
Aunty Agony yeah it’s true but don’t u think they have a right to voice their opinion anyone can do it no mater race sex sexuality and beliefs no one would like if someone took ur rights of voice u probably can’t change what they say but u can change if u decided to follow what someone saids.
“So once when i was 7 at my church was with this other church and we had a really homophobic teacher. She kept on yelling about how GOD IS RIGHT DONT BE GAY and how gay sex is bad like wtf we didn't know about that and didn't want to know. o idk she shouldnt have been talking about that to 7-year-olds (I'm still a Christian) So then she kept on yelling about how I DONT CARE IF THEYRE IN LOVE. I wanted to yell at her so much, she was really mean and innapropriate
Germany banned conversion therapy this year.
Illien Galene that’s wonderful
👏👏👏
Go germany!!
Good for Germany!!
i’m moving to germany one sec-
Someone in my highschool art class went through conversion therapy. She said they would withhold food from her, deny water for days at a time, and burn her with lighters. Definitely torture.
Roblox Gymnastics What the fucking fuck!? Isn’t that illegal!?!
@@karaokekid9025 it should be but, sadly it's not is a shocking amount of places.
It's really horrifying to see how far people can go just to be 'normal' or to make others 'normal'
That's really horrible *and* it's also a crime (child abuse I believe)
I don't see any conversion therapy, just cruelty.
@@karaokekid9025 still legal in several states in the usa as of 2020. its upsetting that things like this are legal just because of people's religious beliefs
HOLD ON WHY IS NO ONE TALKING AB THIS
“What other group had this much police protection?”
“Uhhh probably one direction”
XHAHHSSHHAH I DIED
I was also looking through comments and questioning why it wasn't there 😂
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
she ain't wrong tho
i- 💀
😂😂😂
putting "matt in hell" on a sign is the most shitty thing you could possibly do, a young man was brutally murdered and instead of respecting a fellow human beings life, you defile his name and ridicule him for something as trivial as his sexuality.
In a way, it's sort of like the whole reply thingy with "omg a certain youtuber dad is in hell now" like it's a good thing, even though it's not. Such immature people I swear.
@@ExtremeWreck To this day those people are still trolling about that, as well as the death of Technoblade. Disgusting.
Sexuality is trivial?
Imagine hating someone so much, that you devote your life to trying to ruin theirs. Sad way to live.
@@ChristopherWaddelow What the hell is the good reward of everyone being not gay then wtf
Stu Stu I don’t think you understand how sexuality works
@@ChristopherWaddelow I'm still missing the reason
Stu Stu Anyways we understand what your saying but it’s not your place to control someone’s life and choices let alone try and brainwash them and change who they are or want to be let people live
The ignorance literally brings tears to my eyes
Can we just point out how patient Grace is? Takes dedication to not want to slap some people for what they say
lol i have to reply.. #firstreply
takes so much, imagine being told to divorce someone you love and then instead of anger, taking humour to it and be able to respond ‘thats a lot of paperwork jackie’. cant relate i’m afraid x
So they can nou have fight to choose Which people come in their comminty bushit this makes me so mad why can evrybody be gay bot no one can be against it is what you fucking self believe
Iam sweden so my english is bad iam sorry
@@dhnmiizgkeisd4073 they can be, but having an opinion is like having a penis, it is ok to be proud of it, it is ok to have it, but it is not ok to force it on someone or take it out in inappropriate situations.
9:50 "That's a lot of paperwork Jackie. I don't know what kind of time you think i have" i love how she's just cracking jokes even when Jackie is imply that her marriage is wrong
Im here to tell you just how dangerous this is.
My friend was a mormon. At 14 he was sent to a conversion center to help him "work on" his issue. They did horrible, vile things to him in the name of god and what was "right"
His family would send him back there several times until the age of 18 when they kicked him out. This is when i first met him. We were close friends very quick. He was so damaged mentally and physically that he used lots of drugs to numb himself. Looking back I would have done things so differently and intervened, tried harder, anything. Just to save his life. 3 months after his 20th birthday he overdosed on heroin and god knows what else. His birthday he seemed so alive for a change and his outlook was brighter. We joked about being able to legally drink in a year. Being that we drank all the time it was quite funny. I talked to him that Friday and he was dead on Sunday. So many things I wish i could've and should've said. Im 38 and I still miss him all these years later
This is heart-breaking. The monsters who call themselves his parents should be held responsible for his suicide.
@@Nonalhomophobie
Yes. My heart is still broken. He deserved better
that's sad. how old were you when you met him?
@@xybersurfer
17/18
@@src3360 ah. that was a long time ago, but it makes sense. i wouldn't be able to forget it either
i love how people are just using the protesters as background props to take awesome kissing photos in front of lmaoo
I think that's all protesters are for now. Awesome ironic kissing pictures for the lgbt I know I have one with my ex 😂
there’s a picture of me from when i was like 12 with a pride flag around my shoulders with two peace signs up while a bunch of people protest behind me
@@f1zz-k1d89 iconic
I love your comment. It actually made me laugh out loud!!!
I’m gonna do this someday
“Do you see anyone who has more police protection than US”
“Well, probably One Direction”
aksjfkfkkflskdlfj that was amazing ❤️
I would’ve said the kkk personally.
I love that statement
I was placed into conversion therapy in Catholic middle school with several other gay students. It was awful. We have religious trauma because of it, some of us now being atheist. I was kicked out of church and ridiculed for being lesbian. We were told such horrible things - We were going to hell. It’s a choice. That we were mentally ill.
It’s a horrible experience.
I hope you have recovered from the trauma. Nobody should go through this. It's a crime against humankind, plain and simple.
@@Nonalhomophobie thank you. Unfortunately, it was a few years ago and I still can’t step one foot inside a church. I hope things like this can be taken into consideration when dealing with lgbtq religious youth.
After an experience like that I dont blame them for becoming athiest. How could men and women of god treat another person that is part of their own religion like that?
I know there are religious people that are tolerant but after a trauma like that I imagine it would be very hard to even trust them
im so sorry that you all had to go through this. Sending love to all of you.
I'm so sorry that happened to you! Know that you are perfect the way you are.
I love that Grace can still find the humor in this very dark situation. Someone is insinuating that she has to get divorces because her love isn't holy, and her response is "That's a lot of paperwork." I aspire to be that calm and level-headed
"What other group has this much police protection?"
"Probably One Direction." LOL
i haven't heard that name in five years i-
The way I see it the lgbt people had the police protection
@@elicapers2446 ??
@@whogavejohnthecamera yeah, what the don't realize is that police are not protecting THEM, they are protecting everyone else in the parade FROM them
Wanna feel like One Direction?
Sure, go to a pride event
I love the phrase ‘people believe that God loves them but don’t feel much love from people who believe in God’. Powerful and true. The church is not God, neither are the people in it. 🌈
Exactly, love with exception.
Church isn't a home for saints, it's a hospital for sinners
Wow, I really like that 'the church is not God, neither are the people in it."
Jo March, you are so right
Jo March so read the Bible so you know God’s stance on homosexuality?!
There’s a difference of “tough love” coming from a mob of strangers saying you’re sinful for simply existing and being happy. How do they not understand the amount of disrespect they are doing? It’s not their business in this world to do that to anyone. Omg.
Makes me wonder if these are closeted people that want to come out..
Exactly. Tough love only works after you’ve built a strong connection w the person you’re trying to show tough love to, because due to the connection you have with them they know you mean well. A bunch of strangers calling people pedophiles and telling them that they’re going to burn in hell for eternity is not tough love nor is it love at all, it’s self righteousness and hate.
That's not tough love. Pure and simple. I'd usually write a paragraph about it, but I don't need to explain myself here. It's abuse. People should stop basically calling abuse "love."
1 Corinthians 13:6
@@omegawicked1 yeah i not following rules written in a book
I'm an agnostic humanist, but these people are my beautiful brothers and sisters and I was moved to tears by their stories. Thank you!
PS - love your sense of humour
"that's a lot of paperwork Jackie, I don't know what time you think I have."
That was Grace's only response to Jackie telling her to divorce her wife.
Grace is to chill.
ikkkk i would have been so pissed 😤
It can’t be condensed to a single quote. Jackie’s message here. th-cam.com/video/vU146Syi30I/w-d-xo.html
Lmao she is an iconnnn
Well i don't think that i would be mad tbh, jackie is kinda.. super fucking brainwashed? Idk. I feel really sad for her
@@bepis602 like i can't imagine how hard it is to suppress your feelings like that
For the sign at 1:52 “lesbians can’t raise kids” I would have walked over there and said turns out straight people can’t either cause there’s so many in the foster care system and walked away.
My friend has two gay moms.....
Gay parents are better and safer for children than social services.
Nicø God damn. I’m about to go to the hospital cuz of that 3rd degree burn
You say that as if most people put their kids in foster care because they don't care..... that's gross
My mums a single parent lesbian with a girlfriend, there happy, I’m happy, my sisters happy, what’s wrong with that? They really are so very sad
As a straight Christian, here's to all LGBTQ+ Christians: you're loved. you're beautiful. you're strong. you matter. I'm so sorry for all the hate you receive, it's not fair at all. Please be kind to yourself.
Read your Bible, more so Romans 1:18-32.
You cant be a christian and gay!! Period. LGBT need to turn away from their ungodly lifestyle
@@jilzcrocks3470 says the person who's lifestyle choices consist of being complicit to eons of clergy abuse within the church walls
Worry about your own broken soul
@@jilzcrocks3470 go read 1 Timothy 2:11 and then sit down and be humble
@@katiemorgan5900
You can't rationalize with those who cheerfully condone eons of abuse in the name of god
"probably One Direction"
BEST COMEBACK
“love your neighbor unless they’re gay then yell at them with megaphones”
zephyr owo noice
Praise God! Amen! God is great the devil is greater 🙏🙏🙏
Izzat sarcasm?
Homophobes in a sentence
Why would you yell at a neighbour who is happy?
"probably One Direction." ASFNKSNDFJKASNDJFN nice.
hama I SCREAAMEEEDDDD
I spit out my drink and then laughed so hard.
I wheezed
i smell the gay in your keyboard smash lmaooooOOAOOOAOAoOAoOA
My old fandom
I keep coming back to this video every few months. it gives me hope things will be ok.
+shukezi Sending you positivity! 💕
my dad has never been in my life, and my mom stopped talking to me after i came out. this video is healing, especially when grace talked to the conversion therapy survivor who talked about wanting his parents to love him. i couldnt help but cry a little. it also hit me hard when he said he used to pray for god to change his orientation, because as a person who grew up in a baptist boarding school environment, i did the same thing for most of my adolescence.
I’m so sorry for that I hope you find peace
"That's a lot of paperwork, *JACKIE* "
Yes
I laughed so hard 😂
Yeahhh LmAOO I love her much, she's so fun and hilarious, also seems to be respectful.
"Did I do that right?"
"I'm doubting everything. My faith, my ability to drive a car,- Am I even gay??"
"Yeah, still am. That part hasn't changed."
HHAHAHAHA her wife should be proud.
666th like. You're welcome
She should’ve sAid “damn Jackie that’s a lot of paperwork” (T7S reference)
"AM I EVEN GAY??!"
"Yes, I am. I'm very gay."
Mood.
That's the biggest mood I ever heard tbh
I’m the first one
Yep I am pangenderqeer fluid trans and I am happy to be just that😄😄😄😄
@@vexinbrown4911 i had to shut down my brain to not lose braincells
I’m Christian. I don’t judge people for there sexual preferences.
I don’t hate on anyone . I have a trans friend since I was 14 . I’m 52 cis female. Not all Christians are like these protesters . Our Methodist church is open for everyone. Our pastor says All Loved And Accpted Here! Its a no hate Christian community
I wish my church was accepting like that, personally I am a Christian but also a lesbian. So when the vicar at my church told me that being gay is a sin, I felt like crying right there in church. But I couldn’t because no one in my church knows I am a lesbian.
How depressing is it that you have to clarify that it is a "no hate" Christian community? We can do better.
Read your Bible, more so Romans 1:18-32.
The methodist denomination is apostate. So thats no shocker there of how they operate.
Follow God’s Word on what he says concerning Love and Sexuality. Not your feelings which are fallen
It´s selflove! Love seperated from truth is selflove. God´s word is clear on that. He is not only loving but a holy, holy and rightousness god. Rightous according to his law and truth. What god called evil man shall call it good? Never be it. Pls. repent and seek Jesus.
"What other group, has this much police protection?!"
" _probably one direction_ "
on behalf of all straights we don’t claim the crusty homophobes
Thank you someone had to say it
ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ only the Crispy and juicy ones.
Yep
_Pistachiomustachio_ sorry, you’re mistaken. They’re the same. Otherwise, elaborate what ‘beliefs’.
Eli Capers right okay, using your logic then homophobia still exists. It’s the evil, it’s the darkness, and it’s wrong, because people can’t learn to accept.
"What other group has this much protection around us?"
"Probably one direction."
LFLSMF BYE
+monyfony LOL!
I was raised by a lesbian couple, and I turned out fine. I am lesbian and my wife and I will likely adopt if we ever have any kid(s), which is unlikely
Your story is super heartwarming but the shirtless Shrek pfp caught me off-guard 😂
@@grace3864 i mean why wouldn't it catch you off guard??? It's shrek after all😩👌
@@musiqlover961 Felt that bro.
I’m sorry you had to be raised in that environment. Maybe you turned out fine but maybe you just didn’t know any different. I hope they didn’t molest you. 🥺 I was raised in an abusive home and didn’t even realize it wasn’t normal and thought I turned out ‘fine’ until I started to realize what happened wasn’t ok. Hope the best for you and you find hope and healing.
@@MrsHannahSophia huh?
I think it’s so inspiring how Grace and Jackie, people who have pretty different view points, can have a civil and respectful conversation with each other. It proves that people with drastically different opinions can co-exist.
Agreed! I think this world would be a lot better if people could realize that it’s possible to disagree with someone but still be respectful
I'm a heterosexual but there is something I want to share with everybody: The most difficult thing in life is to find the love of your life! Never be ashamed who that person is. It is simply not important what other poeple think or say! They don't live your life, - and they don't make you happy anyway. Life is too short to think about what others think about you.
Thank you so much. You made my day! ❤
AMEN. 😤
@@ashleyredsheep YES
Excuse me, you dropped this 👑
Unless they are under 18 or a animal!
(I know at least a few of *those* people will use your comment to apply to them, they don't apply, that dosnt apply to them, that's abuse)
"Tough love"
No. No it's not. It's hate.
.
@@PistachioMustachio_ people can be rude at times, but that doesn't cancel out some people literally killing others because they don't want to change
@@PistachioMustachio_ it could for some, but overall it's not really going to work out like that if a lot of Christians still refuse to accept LGBTQIA+ people because 'it's against their religion' or other things.
@@PistachioMustachio_ your actions are appreciated, and if you don't mind me asking, how do you yourself not accept or disagree with the LGBTQIA+ community? all it is is that's who that person loves, that's how that person identifies, that sort of thing. I mean no disrespect, but the idea not agreeing with that just kind of baffles me, honestly.
@@PistachioMustachio_ I once again mean no disrespect, but disagreeing with 'what the community does' because it's against your religion is in its simplest form, not letting people be their true selves because someone a long time ago decided to make a bunch of rules and laws.
i used to have frequent dreams about being chased by killers, cops, witches, sirens...for as long as i can remember. but since i've realized and accepted who i am, i don't have any dreams like that anymore. this is also the least depressive/suicidal I've been in 6 years! :)
I'm so glad you're doing okay ! you're amazing, don't forget that okay ? ^^
Whoa! That is scary! I hope you're still doing well!
I had a Christian girl in my class. She was quite nice at first and we got along well. But then when homosexuality was decriminalized in our country in 2018, she was really upset. I was still in the closet at that time, so I assumed that's why she confided in me about her disgust at the Supreme Court's decision. Her rationale being that her Church didn't support the LGBTQ+ community and so neither would she. It just made me question if I really wanted to stay friends with her at all.
I think you should break ties with her if she can't accept you as you are.
@@Nonalhomophobie or come to a cohesive middle, share your experience with her, ignorance is the biggest divider
@@empresscrafts689 No, sorry, but there is no compromise to be made with a homophobe.
@@Nonalhomophobie but as a friend it might be useful to help ur understand you. It doesn’t sound like she is personally homophobic but aligns herself with the decisions of the church not hers.
@@empresscrafts689 That's no excuse. As a grown-up, you are free to follow the directives of your Church or not. The Church being homophobic is no excuse to individual homophobia.
I’m straight and watching this has made me realize my privilege when it comes to dating. I’m allowed to love out loud, practice public displays of affection with no scrutiny and just be myself. It’s sad that others are deprived of that. That they don’t get to be who they are freely.
I'm straight, and I like kissing my wife in public whenever I feel like it. I don't want to deny that experience to anybody, that feeling of "yeah, if you're looking at us, we're in love, now deal with it".
Thank you for recognizing that. I’ve dated women who wouldn’t hold my hand in public because it offended other people and she was terrified someone would say something.
Wholesome
Thank you for realizing your privilege. The way you put it was really good. You will never really know what it's like, but it's people like you who can make a bridge, who can try to understand, who are the best allies in the world.
@Diddo That thought in itself is full of hate, bitterness , resentment and is very prejudiced. If there's no Freedom in America, then go where there is. There was no freedom where I was born so I and my family came to the U.S.
Why do people honestly care about others sexuality, how does someone else being gay effect you?
Sometimes I wonder if it's something they're struggling with too, because why else would you obsess over someone else's situation?
Stu Stu It was just a neutral question.
@@ChristopherWaddelow because many others who care about my and my communities sexuality often have an intent to harm those who are not heterosexual. i care because i have empathy and don't want harm towards my community. there is a clear difference between hatred and support
@@ChristopherWaddelow Because literally the Bible says that God loves everyone no matter what they are and the reason why this can't be accomplished in this situation is because some people just can't at least accept that we exist? Im faithful to God, very very faithful, but fuck the church, the church doesn't decide what's right and wrong, it's God.
@@ChristopherWaddelow Because more often than not, the people OP is talking about hurt LGBT+ folks in some way or another. Them caring about it actually oppresses someone.
Piss off with your false equivalencies.
Jackie technically forced her self to be straight as she can hear in her voice she’s clearly not happy
Yes! She literally asks for advice from grace. That sounds like a cry for help
Nah. She's just being careful about what she says and how she says it because this is a very serious and touchy issue. She has 1.5 million views on this video alone and most of them are from defensive Lgbtq people.
I spent my 17th birthday in a conversion camp. Didn't do a bit of good. I'm still me, still gay, and still happy.
what do you mean by "good" ?
People who go to funerals with signs and megaphone like that deserve hell themselves. Interrupting people's time of grief with speeches about how their loved one is going to hell is appalling.
Yes your very correct
If someone comes to my friend's/families funerals, I would actually kill someone.
@@tired.vbplayer8973 or.. OR GENTLY *nudge* them with your car. We would blair death metal in the opposite direction as a paremeter barrier (only people 8ft away can hear the ceremony). Plus, puts babies right to sleep. If you have to babysit an fussy infant, try metal--seriously.
Hi, I’m a straight Christian. I was crying watching this. I’m so sorry stuff like this happens. We’re not all crazy. So much love to all, and I sincerely hope and pray life gets better.
Lauren Lanterns thank u i means a lot when the man said how he wanted that love From his parents and I started to cry
same
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Avarie Mendenall did you have a stroke?
@@kertchu yes.
LOVE HAS NO GENDER! Love whoever you want love, God made everyone in his imagines and likeness, I am Christian and I accept the LGBTQIA Community!
Edit: I have figured out who I am, I am bisexual and bigender and I use pronouns he/him/they
If you believe God made everyone in his image and likeness you cannot be homosexual because God is not a homosexual.
@@s-truth But you're wrong God loves everyone. Guess what, what you say doesn't matter because I'm not gonna listen to a homophobic person. I'm Christian, bisexual and God loves me regardless who I am. So you go do what you homophobes which is apparently putting your opinion where's not relevant.
@@Dannaboy23 And you have proof that I am wrong or is that just a throwaway line to avoid facing the truth? From my experience I would say it is probably the second as I have noticed homosexuals hate the truth. Either that or they can't handle it.
By the way, what is a homophobe?
@@s-truth Omg if you don't know what a homophobic person like you is, you could've done a 3-step google search but I'll spare that 3-step process (which is not hard to do if you don't know what a word means) A homophobic like yourself hates gay people or if you want the google definition-having or showing a dislike of or prejudiced against gay people. And 1 more thing before I stop replying to you, you are the reason that Christianity is looked upon as a religion being forced upon others. You are a part of that problem if you are going to comment on other people's comments about our religion. Oh wait I'm sorry I'm supposed to say "but we don't hate the sinner we hate the sin" you and many other people are the reason many people are leaving the church
@@Dannaboy23 thank you for standing on what you believe in, instead of what this homophobic person has to say.
These type of people who think "gods hate homosexuals" are probably the type of people who can't season there food
*gordon Ramsey intensifies*
I feel so bad for Jackie. She’s suppressing her sexuality, and I don’t think that’s healthy. I kind of have a feeling that she isn’t truly happy.
I agree fully. I think she's going to either get sick of faking or just live a resentful life.
Why do I feel like her husband is also 'ex-gay'?
CotoureCAKES that’s not how it works, sis. She’s GAY. She still likes women she even said so herself. She’s suppressing her lesbianism and it’s sad. And fornication is not the same thing as being a lesbian. One of those things is a choice the other isn’t.
@@abenagyampo I used to have sex outside of marriage. Now since becoming born again God has transformed me by His Spirit. I have been made aware by the everlasting God that my sin ( all sin.) Seperates me from Him. But the thing about Gods Love and Being Born again is , You just have to experience it for yourself in order to understand Gods Transforming power in your Life. Blessings.❤
CotoureCAKES having sex before marriage isn’t the same as being gay at all.
CotoureCAKES yes but you see, you still had sex. You sinned already. Even if you repented you STILL had sex out of wedlock. God is forgiving he loves all. Jackie is *gay* even though she has found god she is still *gaaay*. You can stop having sex but you can’t stop who you love. She even said it herself, she still find women attractive however she repressed those feeling.
I think that any Christian that has a deep respect for their beliefs and that actually knows the Bible is too occupied with serving and loving others to be harassing other people at gay parades. That's just pointless. It makes me sick to my stomach.
utopianeverness thank you! So many people think we hate gays but it’s just the others that are putting a bad name on us
@@adaeze4873 If you're trying to help people then you first need to encourage them to believe and want to follow God. You will not draw them in by opening with "this is a sin that come with this consequence", you will only push them away and make them feel like enemies of the whole religion.
Also, many other practices that were considered sinful are commonplace now such as divorce, but people have refrained from criticizing it because it is recognised that it is harmful to the persons state of mind and self esteem to be critical of it. Since we all know of someone who has gone through this, we can more easily relate to it, and not want people we feel akin to be harmed by such actions. So why then is it alright to harm the LGBT communities state of mind by criticizing something we feel we cannot change and is good for us even if you personally do believe it's a sin? Is there a double standard regarding some sin?
Finally, while you and others may believe it is a sin to be gay, there are sects and Biblical interpretations that do not believe it is like this one: wouldjesusdiscriminate.org . Since we cannot prove beyond a doubt that your belief is any more correct than mine, we are at an impasse where we have to accept God as the only one who can judge and we can pray for mercy and guidance for each other. I would not try to force you to believe as I do and I appreciate it when others treat me with the same kindness. Peace be with you.
utopianeverness
No they don’t.
Yes! Thank you!
@@aubreywilliam9048 actually we do except the only people that you see are the radical pro life anti gay people rather than the real Christians that love all people.
I told my mom I was Bi, and it didn’t seem like a big deal- however every time we’re watching a movie an woman kiss or men kiss she goes “ew” and tries to say she isn’t prejudice, “she just doesn’t want it thrown in her face.”
thrown in her face is so funny because straightness is thrown in everyones face 24/7. But then again most ppl feel uncomfortable with public affection in general idk
I grew up in Assemblies of God...I was in such a dark place as a teen...but hid it best I could....my parents never forced me into conversion therapy....but I pursued it on my own behind their backs..it was a nightmare...a lot has happened since then and today...I love Jesus and I love myself...I have forgiven myself and my parents...and I am so fortunate to have an amazing and accepting family...I know I am exactly where God wants me to be and I am blessed every day...I hope to someday have my own ministry to help other GLBTQA Christians and make sure they know that people will disappoint you...but Jesus never fails. Your videos Grace give me such hope and are such a blessing to watch...thank you!
"I don't see God calling people to be straight, I see him calling people to be Holy." What a sentence... 8:26
Calling people to be holy while saying "you're only holy if you are straight" is THE SAME THING as calling people to be straight.
Otherwise why would she had forced herself into a traditional marriage?
She has the same opinions as the people who put teenagers in conversion therapy, she's just more politically correct while expressing it, which leads to pretty sounding but contradictory statements like that one.
As my grandma would say, church isn't a home for saints; it's a hospital for sinners.
@YikesBikes Congratulations, you missed the point
@YikesBikes Name calling and lack of humility... Are you sure you are a Christian???
Explain the point of the comment if you didn't missed it. Lol
Seems like a oxymoron...
do people who protest at pride events think they're going to change anyone's mind? as if i'm going to be feeling my oats draped in my rainbow flag and see their sign saying that god hates me and suddenly go "well gosh darn, would you look at that, i guess i'll go home then"
Right????? It confuses me big time
Right, like they literally could be doing something beneficial for themselves or to the world instead of shouting at people who don't give two shits about them😂😂😂
@@ChristopherWaddelow pride doesn't turn people gay, if that's what you're implying......
@@ChristopherWaddelow So we have a place to meet as a group and celebrate how beautiful we all are.
@@ChristopherWaddelow That is a very complex question. Free speech is important, but so is being non discriminatory. If you are actively speaking out against the LGBTQ+ community or protesting at a parade, you are being discriminatory. Of course, everyone is allowed to have fun at pride. Pride discriminates against no one. If homophobic people show up, we ignore, educate or show our pride. I don't understand why people would want to protest pride thought. If the reason has something to do with God being against it, that's not true. I myself am Christian and part of the LGBTQ+ community in many ways. God made us exactly the way we are. He made us perfect. Love thy neighbour. I am happy to discuss this more with you.
im christian, not apart of the lgbt community but i fully support, admire, and respect them all. :D
Awww thank you! I’m also a Christian and a lesbian!
We respect you too :D
Hey your pfp.. did you draw it? Cause the coloring looks so cool~
I suck at digital art😭
@@Cheapest.ciggy. no i suck at art lol
dats amazing to hear
As a lesbian I’ll share my story, (this is really long so just go to the reply’s for TLDR and carry on with your day)
I’m Christian too, but my parents are homophobic, my dad once yelled at me because I knew where the word witch came from (it was Wicca) and I told my mom I’m bi (I thought I was but I just don’t like boys) and she said “You’ll never sleep with a girl though right?” And I just said “yeah,” she also keeps pushing me to get kids, like saying “Once you get a kid you’ll love it!” And “Just have a kid!” But having a kid would block my goal in life, which is to travel the states, I’m afraid of the things they’ll do, since I also am suicidal, the day the accept me is the day I hug them and truly think that this is life, and that I finally am home, but it feels like it’ll never happen, I still have hope for a better future, and this video helps out with that,
;TLDR; closeted lesbian who is suicidal doesn’t feel home but hopes I’ll feel home soon.
Just hang on till you can get away. I know it can feel like it will always be like it is now, but so many of us have been there, but then found a place where love and joy and acceptance exist. Even a place where we can accept ourselves. So hang on.
im so sorry 😭
i want to give you a hug so bad... i dont know what it is like, i can only imagine..im so very sorry but know people still love you. im also christian and i know god loves you so much and i hope you know that.. god bless you 💖
@@jenchan4817 i fully agree
I’m a former witch. A year ago I was suicidal when I heard God say “I have work for you to do” Since then I’ve accepted Christ and he’s made me whole. I pray you seek the Lord and find peace 🙏🏻💙
I hope you’re still alright
One of my favorite things on one of those signs I've seen was "God hates yoga pants" of all the things to be upset about
I didn’t even see that 😂 so ridiculous , are they blaming LGBTQ+ plus people for yoga pants 🙈😂 “LGBTQ+YOGAPANTS”
They're too sexual and too informal obvs
I mean, that is a sign I could proudly stand behind xD
I think God is more upset with slavery, sexual violence, gun violence, and discrimination than God is with...yoga pants.
WTF???!!!
Sometimes there's more Jesus at the bar then there is at church. Real talk.
Catholic, Christian churches scared the crap out of me. Fixing gays sounds to me like as if someone wants me to change my DNA, my skin color, the shape of my eyes. It is nuts that there's so much intolerance.
Best comment EVER! Seriously, grinning ear to ear reading this!
“Going to the club doesn’t make you a bad person and going to church doesn’t make you a good person” the only time I’ll say amen
AMEN!
My dad always says he feels more with god when he's in the woods then he ever felt at church.
I don’t identify myself as lgbt (but I’m not entirely opposed to the idea of being in a relationship with a woman either, so maybe I could be bisexual in the future). The point that I wanted to express though is, that despite meeting with my Christian community every week, I still struggle with the idea of labeling myself a Christian because of many extreme one sided views on different matters (including sexual orientation and attraction). These are very deep thought provoking episodes and I wanted to express my gratitude and love towards Grace and everyone who made this.
I was a queer Christian for a time (I am no longer a Christian but not because I am queer, just because I found that Christianity is just my religion). I live in Germany though, where most Christians are rather progressive in comparison to what I see in the US. Me being queer was not an issue and I know there are many communities that don't have an issue either. In my youth group was a lesbian who is still a devout Christian now, organizing events for younger ones while openly queer.
I hope you find a group that accepts you as you are.
don't worry about christians views, take your personal relationship with God to the bible
Being an athiest....I'm living peacefully 😌
So what I’m seeing, is Christians would rather a gay couple get divorced than be happy together.
Even though they’re supposed to condemn divorce too.
*sigh*
@Beth and your point is?
@@mvgicshop probably something they were spamming
Because marrige between men and men / women and women is not a marriage ordained by God. That's something that carnal man came up with.
God did not create Adam and Steve and say this is good. Lol
@@dopamine1132 yup. He made adam and lillith. But she wasn't carnal enough for adam.
Lol. “That’s a lot of paper work Jackie!” This is why Grace does so good in these talks. She mixes humor with the heavy and I appreciate that so much.
I lol'd at that. 😂
Ditto
Agreed. That was a great comeback!
That line killed me!!! Grace is a national treasure.
I felt refreshed after listening to your vid. I am terminal not with cancer. I have a very rare neurological disorder so having fun in this life has escaped me.
"What other group has as much police protections around us?" *Um, probably One Direction.* 😂😂😂
My daughter is in an experimental stage in her life. She's 13. I've asked her a few times if she feels she is gay, due to some of her interests and drawings. She said no, but that she is probably bisexual...however she feels she is definitely pansexual. I made sure she knew that no matter how she felt, what she decided she is....I will love her no matter what and support her in every aspect of her life. This is what is lacking with these judgemental parents. They are your children, you love them unconditionally.
Thank you so much! I'm a 17 year old gay daughter and reading this made my day!
Corey Benton I wish my mom was like you
im 14, and Asian. im sure we all know how Asians are, talking about western influence on gay people. anyway, i came out to my mum only recently, though it's been probably 3 years since i realised i wasn't like other girls, who went gaga over boys, who i did not find attractive, even in the least. i cried for nearly an hour before i got the words out of my mouth. i was struggling so much with myself, and i was afraid she'd be disappointed n me, because my father is extremely critical/judgemental/close-minded and mocks gay people, lgbtq people. he once said that a gay couple shouldn't even be considered a couple, which really stirred up some anger in me. as much as my mother was in denial, despite her constantly repeating the fact that i was young and impressionable, maybe confused, she would tell me that she would love me no matter what, who i became when i grew older, who i started a family with, because i was her daughter and she loved me. i told her my father was very against lgbtq people and that he threatened to disown me if i ever came out to him, but she kept trying to defend him, though honestly, knowing the person my father is, didn't really make sense. what matters is the reassurance she gave me, that she would never ever hate me because of who i am, and so many non-lgbtq people don't understand that all we need is some comfort, some love from our parents. we, as children, constantly seek approval from our parents and so, your comment is lovely! thank you for being so accepting :)
pansexual is basically bisexual though
But it's nice that people like you exist. That's sweet. Omg I never said "sweet" before
I'm so confused by people who think sexuality can be changed.
Because i am living prove of that.. Listen i don't like the way more christians approach this situation. i was never given christian therapy and that says a lot coming from a being a ministers daughter. My parents although knew Gods stance on it they showed me love. My dad even went as far as going with me to West Hollywood and condemn all those crazy christians that had signs that read God Hates gays. he stood across the street and instead preached about Gods love and would not side with the radical christians. he prayed for many and the impact of love my pop recieved was awesome.
But i knew it was a sin.. I did not pray away the gay.. I simply said "Jesus i choose you and will do whatever it takes to have a true relationship with you. I need you to help me change because i cannot change myself".. He not only changed my sexuality but so many other things i had carrying with me. He wants us to willing ask and have the desire to choose him over our sin, no matter what that sin is. He changes..It's called a miracle. but if a person wants their sin and God.. He cannot help anyone change if they don't want to and trying to get him to change his will to fit anyones lifestyle is a delusion.
I am living proof of the change God made in me.
@@valentinogal781 I am happy for the peace you have found in your life. I've never considered my sexuality to be fluid, I knew when I was 10 that I was attracted to the opposite sex. People have different life experiences though, so who am I to judge. But I'm curious, are you going against the way god made you in the 1st place, or did you have a psychological trauma that made you attracted to the same sex? I only ask because sexuality is determined by hormones, so if you were always straight but had a period in your life when you were not, what would be the cause of that. Please excuse me if I'm over stepping boundaries, I'm a non believer so I tend to analysis things on a deeper level than just one book.
tenofivelips I only know of a few women who were straight all their lives, but they changed their sexuality to gay. One was because she was sick of being treated like shit by males. The other was a married woman with kids, and again, sick of being treated as nothing and unloved. The other was seduced by her husbands sister.
@@tenofivelipstenofivelips ngl i think you're right lmao. I think people should just accept themselves and deal with it. If you're unhappy then change but I'm confused by the fact that Christians say "God made every person individually" and that he loves everyone regardless and he forgives you for all your sins if you ask. Like.... something doesn't add up here because Christians say all this but then as soon as something like this comes along that they really hate they say you "HAVE" to change because God "hates" you and I think it's just horrible. I don't think that it's God that disagrees with gay people I think its just people in general for some reason because they think it's "bad" when there's nothing actually wrong with it lmao.
@@ellalynmills03 Exactly. I think the "something doesn't add up" is that people use "god" to suit their own needs.
"probably one direction" 2:11 THAT HAD ME ROLLING PFFFFT
I have been looking for an interview like this! Glad someone thought to do it. I have always wondered what a conversation like this with Jackie would look like
1:55 the “Matt” sign is a reference to the brutal murder of Matthew Sheppard in the town of Laramie, he was gay, and two boys abducted him and tortured him just for loving who he wanted to love. It’s sickening people would make signs like that out of a tragic scenario.
Fr its weird how instead of thinking "Damn i cant believe 2 boys are that evil to torture someone" all they get from it is "And thats why you cant be gay or else we have to torture you"
I can't believe people who say they care would condone and glorify a poor boys slaughter. I shouldnt.
Laramie? Laramie, Wyoming?.. crap. How long ago was that?
Ik! I was in absolute shock when I saw it. People are so freaking disgusting
Nickispan -Mathew Shepard was murdered in 1998 in Laramie WY...his body was found right outside of Laramie he was left tied to a fence to die after being beaten horribly. Such a horrible situation. Check out the Mathew Sheppard Project....his parents started it after...there is also a book about him and what happened. Rip Mathew Sheppard
"I'm doubting everything! My faith, my ability to drive a car! AM I EVEN GAY??! Yes, I am. I'm very gay."
Ive met an ex lesbian before, and let me telk you, she wasnt happy. She only "did it for god". And its not like she likes men now, she just refuses to date because she only finds the same gender attractive, and since she thinks its wrong, she justs lives. Alone, no partners.
I'm proud of her. She chose JESUS
She wrestles sin, the same way men who excessively lust over women become abstinent, the same way drug addicts refuse all drugs for fear of relapse
@@zippyblessed839 yes, choose Jesus, but choosing Jesus doesn’t mean to make yourself miserable and to live a sad life. To follow Christ is to live happily WITH him. Stop painting Christ as this angry man in heaven giving us rules or else we burn forever lol you people have such a toxic ideology
@@zippyblessed839 Shut up. Stop praising the process of destroying oneself.
Wow that’s so sad. It hurts to hear this.
Leea, you brilliant human being! That was wonderful to listen to, thank you very much. You are truly an old soul and my love goes out to you across the ocean.
“What other group has as much police protection around us?”
“Uh..probably One Direction?”
I know I’m supposed to take this video seriously but I couldn’t stop laughing
Savannah B IM LITERALLT CRYING JAHUAQJIAJAHAHAAH
Shes not wrong. Police have protected white supremacists protesting pride before protecting the people not doing anything
Emerson Hawks yeah lol I just found it funny
My friend is being sent to a “weight loss camp” in the south this summer. But we’re afraid it’s conversion therapy
i really really hope it won't be. look, i'm not qualified at all to tell you this, but maybe try to really empower them before then, and give them little mantras to remember just in case, like "i am valid, i am okay the way i am, i am proud to be me" or sth like that? and have them know that it's totally fine to put on a show and lie in order to survive. just some ideas to prepare just in case, let me know if they are bad, y'all. wishing you both all the best
If it’s true then let him know he has a friend
Stand up for him
I hope his parents are not deceiving him like that. He may never trust them again. A really bad experience at conversion therapy camp can require years of therapy to recover. Get as much information about the camp as you can. Ask him to write you a letter using the camps return address. Then you can find out. If it is really a weight loss camp you can relax a little. Either way let him know you will love and support him when he returns.
Has the camp gotten cancelled because of the pandemic??? I’ll be praying it does get cancelled and praying that your friend can find more people that accept them for who they are!❤️
Katelyn Rose i really hope it’s cancelled. it should be
Feeding my soul! Thank you for the work that you do, it has touched so many lives across the globe
Watching this to get a better understanding as more of my Christian friends come out to me. Hearing these perspectives is very helpful. Thank you
Wow i cannot get over how civil Jackie and Grace's conversations were. It was refreshing!
She's bisexual
Yes
Homophobic man, “What other group has this many protection around us!?”
Grace, “Probaly One Direction”
Omega I can’t stop laughing she’s amazing! XD
I hope that, that guy realizes that those officers are there to protect the people at pride, not those assholes that are only going against God but judging others
Don't forget that Grace is a comedienne.
Loool
They are standing there only because everyone else at the parade wants to kill them, not because they believe them.
I’m a Christian woman. I define as straight but I’ve been attracted to a non-binary person. I was so confused at that time and very disappointed in myself. I also thought that when I die I’ll go to hell, since God made man and woman and I was attracted to a non-binary person. But then I became more and more educated about the LGBTQ+ community. I became aware that sexuality is fluid and started accepting mine. I also started thinking that God made me the way I am and that he loves me for who I am. It’s been a process but I’ve been to Pride parades twice and I just felt the love and pure joy of the people. I’m in a straight relationship. I thank God for it almost every day, but if it happened to not work out and I started dating a non-binary person or a woman, who cares? Personality is what really matters to me. Also, God made me the way I am and loves me for who I am. ❤️
I myself am a Bi Christian and I have heard and been told that being gay or a homosexual is just the same as being a murderer or a rapist. I used to question, how can I be compared to a murderer for loving someone? I now know that despite what gender, religion, race, sexuality, anything, you are loved and valued. No one can tell you different. You were made to be you, not who someone else wants you to be.
Amen. I agree with you completely as a Bisexual Christian myself.
Agreed. am I going to kill someone for loving them?
“SHE WASNT READY FOR THE SPIRIT”
So freaking cute! He's being himself and being a Christian as well cause he feels happy that way, that's so cool!
it's 'love thy neighbor' not 'love thy neighbor unless they are gay' God accepts and loves us all no matter our sexuality or how we identify as. have a good day 🏳️🌈❤
God loves us all... he offers that love in the form of forgiveness..... but He doesn't love everything we do. Sin cannot enter heaven.... and all human beings are sinful... the only way to have our sin 'removed' from us, is to be forgiven. And, we can't be forgiven if we don't ask for forgiveness. And the only way to ask for forgiveness, and receive it, is through acknowledgement of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. As he said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"
Love thy neighbour not their sin
@-- Pedophilia actively harms children.
LGBTQ+ does not.
The kind of hate that for example W*stboro B*ptist spreads absolutely does.
@Franka *66 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Matthew 7 1-2, NIV
@Franka *66 you are imposing your interpretation of a document that has been translated through several languages on others, and assuming yours is the true interpretation.
You're doing good work here Grace. These mini documentaries about religios stuff you do are excellent watch! Very educational and enlightening.
I just came across State of Grace this afternoon, and I'm having a hard time to stop watching it (I think this one is my 9th). Great job Grace. I love how natural you are.🥰
As a Christian this is not how you spread the word of god you don’t do it by yelling and trying to force you’re opinion
I really appreciate people who can have their religion and not force it upon others. I am not a Christian but it is sad that many feel it is the only way to believe is to force others to believe.
It’s like people never learn from history, from crusades to imperialism. Christians have done so much wrong in the eyes of god in the past, these people are just lost and are following the religion in their own interpretation because it makes them feel less of a horrible person
The only one who can judge is God. If you judge you're just as bad as the person you're judging. Don't judge people. Simple. Let them live their lives, it's none of your business. Maybe the afterlife isn't that bad after all.
As a Christian, you have no right to presume you are God and have the authority to declare what is wrong and right. That’s not your responsibility or right. You are not God. Sorry.
Pandita they never said they were god um- chile anyway....
Bi Christian here, and i almost started sobbing at just hearing the dude pray, I would've loved to hear the whole sermon. I'm Southern Baptist, so the culture around LGBT isn't good where I am, but what I would give to go to that church even just once
It's 5am here and I felt a sob almost come out from the way the dude prayed. That was one of the most beautiful prayers I have ever had the chance to hear
I teared up not gonna lie
Ola B oh fuck off bitch
It's so cool to find another bisexual Christian! My father is a pastor so I grew up in the church. After my parents split I really took my time to rethink Christianity and where I stand in the religion. And if I'm honest, I'm not a "Christian" I'm a God follower and I spread the positivity of the Lord. "Christianity" has been so twisted and corrupted by the people who protest at parades and spread negatively saying "God hates the Gays". In reality, God is a God of love, peace, order and everything good. Along side with me being a young woman in the faith, I don't judge others for their different religion (or lack thereof for some) Pride is about equality. God is for equality (from my understanding) I'm for equality ❤️❤️❤️
Pancakes Syrup how can I when this person is being plain rude by replying with such negativity to this positive post. It’s disgusting.
I am an ex lesbian and will never go back!
Im pan!
I love Grace's work so much. She brings humanity together and forms a unity towards love and faith. It's hard to find queer Christian representation in the religious community, but I'm glad that I've finally found someone to relate to. I have learned a lot, thanks for everything you did Grace. I have a lot of questions on this subject, hope to see more of ur videos !!!!!!!
“probably one direction”
ahhhh, a cultured woman you are.
I was a Christian until a pastor pulled me aside and told me I was going to hell for questioning my sexuality. (I’m bi) and he then told my dad to kick me out of the house. I was 17. He told me I was no better than murderers. He compared me loving people to killing people. I can’t believe that loving people is a reason to go to hell... I haven’t been to church since because in Texas where I live there is no lgbt friendly churches near me and I don’t want to be made to hate myself again. I don’t want to feel bad that I am myself. So I don’t identify as any religion but I do believe there is likely a higher power but I am just going to live my best life the way I see fit, not following an outdated book written by people.
@Benjiji What are you hoping to accomplish through this comment?
Sorry that they did that to you. That pastor is definitely not a man of God since he is preaching hate. If a pastor did this, I won't be coming to his church.
I love near Dallas and Waco (idk where you are), but fortunately if you ever move to these areas there are churches who accept the lgbtq+ community with open arms. You are wonderful and I hope your life is wonderful and happy 💕
Jessie Ghost im in the Dallas area myself. It’s just the church I was with was horrible like that. But it’s ok I’m happy with who I am and the beliefs I have :)
I'm so truly sorry.Your pastor was not of christ,he was a hateful false prophet .."you shall know them by your fruits.A good tree cannot produce bad fruits,"
"For if I prophesy or cast out demons but have not love...I have nothing".
Trust me you can be gay and Christian...they arent mutually exclusive.
I'm really sorry you were hurt by that evil pastor
I am Christian and God loves us all. Why do we keep dividing each other? We need to all come as one and let love and God unite us.
Oh my goodness. This is such a good video and spiritually challenged me. I know that there is a lot of hurt in the LGBTQ+ Community but my heart broke when I heard their testimonies of abuse and rejection. I completely agree that in order to love people we need to be uncomfortable and spend time with the opposite side of us. Because isn’t that what love is? Even when we disagree we find a ground where we can both appreciate, respect, and truly want the best for that other person. Thank you so much for making this video. This has made a huge impact on me; I deeply appreciate you’re open mindedness and curiosity. Again thank you for making this report.
I’m sorry to say it but it’s most religious ppl that pushed me away from god
Exactly. They just judge you and feel like their religion (out of thousands of recorded religions) is the right and true and logical way to live. And if you don't find their made up stories true then you'll burn in hell.
I left the church and I'm not turning back. I can't stand the judgement and criticism
For me its the same case but i beleive in the existence of a supernatural being ......whether its budha, alla, conficious.........just like the simplisity of it. Christianity just makes me fell confined and limited to a subset of rules which if brocken leave a heavy guilty conscience.
Btw i am from kenya where if you dare speak aginst religion or challenge it .....one is outrightly considered a devil worshipper or possesed with demons😢
I had a hard time dealing with that at age 12/13 when I was caught dating a girl. I've stopped attending church since. I was raised catholic and although I sometimes like my religion, I don't at other times bc I still don't like the people that still believe "god hates gays" and "being gay is sinful"....
Their hypocrites.if they worried about someone else household their are worst most likely.they pick and choose what they choose out of the bible.god don't like hypocrite ppl or using his name to hurt ppl
I’m so sorry that you’ve felt that way, i can’t promise that those people will cease to exist but what I can promise is that I will do better and continue to do my best to undo the harm or remove this tension. God bless
"Probably One Direction"
I DIED
s a m e
Samee
SAME 😂
Same 💀
As a devout Christian heterosexual man... "“Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. “This is the first and great commandment. “And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” (Matthew 22:37-39). As long as you do that you're coming to the Kingdom. God wants us to be Holy, but knows we fall short of his glory. He sent his son to die on the Cross for us so we could all enter the Kingdom.
Her strength to talk with these people with respect and such an open heart is astounding. Huge props and respect!
nobody:
not a single soul:
grace: _“that’s a lot of paperwork, _*_JACKIE”_*
“Probably One Direction” I am cry laughing. I actually had to pause the video.
Why aren’t more people talking about this Jackie woman? I cannot believe she’s just blatantly denying herself happiness 😰
yeah it’s really sad
Her happiness is found in Christ and in Christ only
yeah i feel bad for her
Yes exactly. She’s clearly not happy.
Wow, Jackie’s responses really touched me. I relate to her and need her book.
Although I disagree with Jackee, I like her much more than I thought I would. We need to keep having these discussions.
same, i thought i wasnt gonna like her at all but i didnt hate her. It just makes me sad that she is forcing herself to be someone who she is not
Ikr.
Idk I think she’s just very confused about Christianity and how serious to take what the Bible says and what preachers say.
Divorce has been considered a huge sin in Christianity so to think that divorcing someone... to fake being strait is a holy decision, is once again picking and choosing what to believe in.
Bottom line is treat others the way you would wish to be treated, and mind your own business when it’s not your place to judge.
If you’re religious you should know well that the only person allowed to pass judgment onto others is god.
The only exception in judging others in my opinion is those who are arrested and under trial for crimes.
I feel sad for her. I hope she comes to love herself. 💜
Yup. I think it's because her message has been taken into the hands of the more extreme side of Christianity and made into something different than what she's saying. I don't agree with her, but I don't think she's a Westboro Baptist type either lol
There is nothing more invalidating than a parent saying they don't care about LGBT rights and safety when you yourself are LGBT.
Any parent who does that is not really a parent in my book. My "parents" are like that and cutting ties with them so I could find a real family (one that cares) was the best thing I ever did.
As a mother, I truly believe that anyone who disowns their child because they come out as gay or trans or whatever, they are not fit to be called a parent.
I just want to know how it's even an option? I couldn't think of one thing my child could do or be that would make me not love and support them. They could be felons and I'd be dragging my ass to a prison for visitations. Like WHAT?.🤷♀️ I MADE THAT HUMAN AND ITS MINE! FUCK YOUR OPINIONS and STOP ACTING LIKE YOU HAVE AN OPTION!
Andrea Lindley you seem like an amazing mom
I think people shouldn't have kids if they aren't prepared to have a LGBT kid, disabled kid, a kid who might go against their religion, a kid who dates outside their race, a kid with different values and opinions, mentally ill kid, etc..
It causes stress on the kid they chose to bring here all because it doesn't sit right with them.
What a stunning video. I love what you are doing to bring more love and inclusion in the Church. Even though I'm no longer a Christian, I want the Church to prosper and be filled with love.