so there's a pretty good chance Adam is already Soulkilled, which would easily explain how Adam can be fighting Blackhand on the roof in the DaiOni, a special powered armor that can only be worn by a specific Alpha-class full-body conversion borg and takes like six hours to fire up and fully assemble, and simultaneously downstairs in his NovelTech Samson (NOT an Alpha-Class borg, meaning that he would have to jack out his biopod, get the Alpha-Class pulled out, jack back into the new unit, and then start the several hours process of putting on the DaiOni after about an hour had already passed) fighting Shaitan and killing Johnny Silverhand. According to Pondsmith's own repeated descriptions of the night of the AHQ disaster cross referenced with his own lore, the only way Adam's actions are logistically possible is if he's already FULL full borg, and an engram with multiple copies of himself out there. Consider if this is why the (Pondsmith approved) anime has Smasher ask David Martinez about becoming a construct.
@@squigglesmcjr199 i'm not sure they had a 'secure your soul' level of precision on Soulkiller back then. by what i remember, Soulkiller was more of a 'kills on use' kind of thing, even the one Alt made for Toshiro in Never Fade Away.
This is small, but thank you for keeping your sponsorship tame. The last youtuber I watched who was doing one was started spouting none sense about "Improving reaction time" like it was some snake oil super drink.
I will NEVER ride a partnership that hard choom! I'm not here to necessarily peddle it as much as I can, just to inform. Seriously it's just a drink alternative with a lot of flavors, don't know why some play it like you're coked up 😵💫
Which is basically because of his modified version of the FBC named IEC Dragoon. The German megacorp IEC was the only megacorp able to produce such a powerful full body conversion - not even Arasaka was able to copy or build something like that. And after using the Samson frame and other body conversions, Smasher was finally able to get his hands on what we see in CP2077 - a modified IEC Dragoon. Regarding the lore you'd need a full Arasaka battalion (>1000 Arasaka soldiers) to equal the power of one IEC Dragoon.
This makes me think of something else. I never considered there could be multiple copies of an engram. I always assumed, by jacking in Alt into Mikoshi you're destroying everything including that copy of Saburo. But now... Damn there could be other copies of them out there. Didn't Hanako say Mikoshi exists in multiple branches of Arasaka?
Morgan is pretty OP. In some way, V is his replacement. You can literally play a no kill run and even make your guns deathless. You beat Adam and you don’t have to kill him.
Adam from street gang life to corpo life & have an office near beach on the cargo ship. Mike pondsmith always working on details story of life every characters.
@@BartmossInfinity I'm willing to hear why u think Rebecca deserves to die??? But I think you might be confused. What actions are you referring to where she deserves to die?
@@BartmossInfinity fair enough u can't have a great story without a great villain I'll give you that. But r u a fan of true love which is what Rebecca was she truly loved David even tho he never even payed any attention to her and in the end she was willing to sacrifice her life for even the smallest chance of saving David
While I understand this is me being a pedant, it does seem pertinent with how misunderstood psychology is by a lot of people who are in the TTRPG world, but, ASPD, or anti-social personality disorder, is the term used by medical professionals to describe the spectrum of personality disorders that Psycopathy and Sociopathy fall under now, and while you can be "turned into" a psychopath, or sociopath, it is generally agreed upon that the causes of Psycopathy are genetic or inherited traits, that are triggered in people who are or become sociopaths, in other words, not all sociopaths are psychopaths, but all psychopaths are sociopaths.
cyber psychosis is predominately more to do with biological rejection rates and genetic predispositions towards addiction, violence and such. Yes heredity of neuro-divergency is a factor, but think of it more like a mind breaking roid rage, that leads to mania with a inclination toward extreme violence. the uncontrolled hallucinations are interesting..perhaps a form of dementia? No no that wouldnt be right.. subjects dont suffer short term memory loss, recollection is fine...associative agnosia? Perhaps a breakdown in perceptual model's? In the case of maine throwing a bunch of gas barrels around dorio's body, appearing like tree trunks, either he: 1) is unable to attach the correct mental model to the object, thus sees logs, instead of barrels 2) or he is full clocking out of reality, and during these uncontrolled hallucinations, sensory surface feedback is further feeding the hallucinations mental validity. Whats most interesting is that to my knowledge, no cyberpsycho reports include the subjects suffering tactile hallucinations..none "feel" things crawling on them etc when hallucinating.... Degradation to the cerebral cortex... Holy shit!! What if cyber psychosis affects the old brain?!?...sensory feedback, motor function, raised anger levels.. It all goes through there! the spinal chord..sensory overload in that area... Like an introvert... Its effectively making people chimp out and snap while hallucinating!!! Hallucinations cause the subject to temporarily disassociate from reality, and, like a sleepwalker...wake up the cyberpsycho....Overload! Panic! Mayhem! And You get a chimp brained, borged out lunatic screaming incoherently and lashing out with mantis blades because of animalistic survival instinct at a wrongly perceived threat! God damn.....not bad...😎
Thank you for bringing up the whole Cyberpsycho Theory nonsense. I am not sure where its coming from but its been so annoying to see how people blatantly disregard any type of wordbuilding to the point of even saying stuff like "Maelstrom has no cyberpsychos" or "Its all a lie by the government in the world of Cyberpunk to take out people they dont like". Not only do these theories dont make sense but as I said they disregard SO MUCH lore there is for this world its honestly insane. Great video man, keep it up.
people who say that cyberpsychosis is this real, magical unique thing are ignoring the lore more than the others. just read the sourcebooks yourself. "cyberpsychosis" is just an easy shorthand for any dissociative and psychopathic mental illness that comes from a deficit in Humanity. You can lose Humanity in a lot of ways. You can just be born without very much of it, you can lose it from being a witness to or participant in traumatic events, OR you can lose it from installing unnecessary cyberware and voluntarily cutting your eyes out and arms off to stick 400x cameras and monowires and popup rocket launchers in them.
You seem to think Smasher wears the Dai-Oni armor all the time. That's incorrect. Per the TTRPG, he donned it just once, during the battle of Arasaka Tower in the fourth corporate war. As is seen in Johnny's flashback, at that time Smasher was a standard Alpha class Full Cyborg. Per the books, like Shaitan he had the biopod cyberware option. Which meant you could destroy his body but he would survive if the pod was retrieved in time. If you look through the TTRPG books, Smasher's body now is a amalgam of an Alpha and Dragoon Cyborg body.
I do not believe that and that wasn't what I was trying to insinuate. My apologies for not being more clear in the video, but I did say during that portion that the DaiOni armor wasn't what Smasher was normally wearing. It was a new appearance specific to the Blackhand battle that no one would be able to recognize. That power armor is practically a mech so it would be extremely unreasonable to wear it too often, and since it was Keis project it's research died with him
@@tomcascaddan8319 It was on me, I should've talked about the rest of his Conversions a bit more. I had only really mentioned the Dai Oni and Elvis. Thanks for watching choom!
Thankful that you're still enjoying the content choom! I hope you're doing well and always feel free to let me know any characters, stories, etc you'd like to see next!
My previous thumbnail was Smasher from the sourcebook but I swapped it due to a lower CTR than normal. Unfortunately since I really like the TTRPG artworks.
Thompson would be a great topic to get into. He's one of my fav conspiracies in the setting. Allegedly a Media, but when you look at it all together... Thompson''s the sole witness to Alt getting kidnapped, got Johnny involved who got the others involved, was at the AHQ disaster and recorded the whole thing but the tape never got out (so who was he taping for?), admits to being military trained and being in the 4th Corporate War, is generally the most obvious Militech plant you've ever seen (he's literally wearing camouflage and has a Marine high and tight in the 2020 sourcebook art), and on top of everything else, the RED sourcebook confirms Thompson is a fake name.
He is wearing a heavily modified Dragoon frame in 2077. It's assumed that support for the DaiOni kit ended with Kei Arasaka, and Mike pondsmith has said his new dragoon set is superior. Though it's obvious he has different "loadouts" for the Dragoon. Such as the one he used vs David Martinez. I consider his appearance in Edgerunners to be his peak. Extremely fast, somewhat agile even, and a hard hitter. A big difference to the clunkiness in 2077
Smasher only ever appears in the Dragoon that LBG mentions in 2077 and the NovaTech Samson that he's in during the flashbacks. The DaiOni is like the size of a truck, it's basically a full on mecha.
The real legend besides layedback is well Blueeyes that man pays a shit load of eddies for you to attack arasaka, getting Somi to the moon, and you to the crystal palace! Makes me wonder who he is even tho I already have my suspensions!
One thing i find annoying about smasher is the misconception that he’s an unbeatable god who cannot be damaged/beaten in any way. The fight with smasher in 2077 isn’t just to convey to us that V is a cracked up cyber demon given human shape (though that is true), but it’s also to show that a skilled and determined solo with nothing to lose is going to beat Smasher. Especially if they’re just more skilled than he is. Blackhand shows us that message clearly, and V is thematically and narratively their era’s blackhand. there’s always gonna be a bigger fish out there, V and Blackhand happen to be the biggest ones we’ve seen. Or more accurately the best ones.
i'm starting to think the bomb was detonated by someone else before it's appointed time. let's assume that the clip in the video game of the bomb being put into an elevator was what morgan did. he was on the roof getting ready to leave knowing he still had time, thinking he had more than 2 minutes. and yet the bomb goes boom way before that time.
@@alexhulea2735 yeah....the player team find out yorinobu has been soulkilled since 2020. If you dont make the right rolls you die by that bomb going off with you in the building...always seemed weird that the squad finds that out, and shortly after, the bomb gets fucked with...
Man, I wish we can have an alternate story where Morgan perform a one sided ass whooping to Adam. With Morgan looking down at Adam in utter disgust, "All that upgrade just to be this weak? Pathetic"
hey dude, i got an advice for you but first i have to say, love your videos. your narration and research into these topics are top notch and i am very grateful. now, since we are on the topic of technology and AI, i meant to advise you to look into implementing AI yourself, to help you with the content creation...art, text, music... maybe there is something there, that can help you out.
@@zerotodona1495 the canon ending is Path To Glory. Besides it being the most thematically appropriate ending - it's pretty much outright confirmed at this point. V, Lucy, and Song's endings all involve going to the moon. The sequel is codenamed Orion - after a constellation in space. The sequel's plot will likely entail who or what is behind the lunar black site, Blue Eyes, the Paralez's, and Project Oracle.
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so there's a pretty good chance Adam is already Soulkilled, which would easily explain how Adam can be fighting Blackhand on the roof in the DaiOni, a special powered armor that can only be worn by a specific Alpha-class full-body conversion borg and takes like six hours to fire up and fully assemble, and simultaneously downstairs in his NovelTech Samson (NOT an Alpha-Class borg, meaning that he would have to jack out his biopod, get the Alpha-Class pulled out, jack back into the new unit, and then start the several hours process of putting on the DaiOni after about an hour had already passed) fighting Shaitan and killing Johnny Silverhand.
According to Pondsmith's own repeated descriptions of the night of the AHQ disaster cross referenced with his own lore, the only way Adam's actions are logistically possible is if he's already FULL full borg, and an engram with multiple copies of himself out there. Consider if this is why the (Pondsmith approved) anime has Smasher ask David Martinez about becoming a construct.
that's what i said some time ago...... well, that and 'no one can survive the temperatures at ground zero of a nuke'
Why wouldn't arasaka have an engram of smasher????
@@alexhulea2735I seriously wonder how Pondsmith will explain Blackhand falling into a nuclear blast and rubble.
@@LayedBackGamers when you have that much Cool not even Radiation can melt your icy presence.
@@squigglesmcjr199 i'm not sure they had a 'secure your soul' level of precision on Soulkiller back then. by what i remember, Soulkiller was more of a 'kills on use' kind of thing, even the one Alt made for Toshiro in Never Fade Away.
Holy crap, I never realised that Smasher was actually there at safe house attack to get Hanako back!
When he asks Faraday who the fucc are you I cracc up every time
Faraday thought he was actually a somebody. But nope, just some more collateral damage in Smashers duel!
Smasher "everything is meat ready to be cooked!" 😂😂
@@JohnnySilverwrench Smasher "everything is a cut of f&%$able meat..."
FTFY
This is small, but thank you for keeping your sponsorship tame. The last youtuber I watched who was doing one was started spouting none sense about "Improving reaction time" like it was some snake oil super drink.
I will NEVER ride a partnership that hard choom! I'm not here to necessarily peddle it as much as I can, just to inform. Seriously it's just a drink alternative with a lot of flavors, don't know why some play it like you're coked up 😵💫
In the table, top game, smasher is actually not beatable, he is basically used as a “the story is over now” encounter for players
He's like how Legends used Darth Vader.
Hell yeah
Which is basically because of his modified version of the FBC named IEC Dragoon. The German megacorp IEC was the only megacorp able to produce such a powerful full body conversion - not even Arasaka was able to copy or build something like that. And after using the Samson frame and other body conversions, Smasher was finally able to get his hands on what we see in CP2077 - a modified IEC Dragoon. Regarding the lore you'd need a full Arasaka battalion (>1000 Arasaka soldiers) to equal the power of one IEC Dragoon.
You back with a another banger video i see
If I don't get it out of my system I might implode choom!
You should always let smasher live. In his eyes mercy is for the weak. To be pittied and left alive would basically ruin his ego.
This makes me think of something else. I never considered there could be multiple copies of an engram. I always assumed, by jacking in Alt into Mikoshi you're destroying everything including that copy of Saburo. But now... Damn there could be other copies of them out there. Didn't Hanako say Mikoshi exists in multiple branches of Arasaka?
The difference in canon is easily explained not through Johnny with unreliable memory but because Pondsmith didn't want Morgan Blackhand in the game
Morgan is pretty OP. In some way, V is his replacement. You can literally play a no kill run and even make your guns deathless. You beat Adam and you don’t have to kill him.
This goes into lore much more than most people. I love Adam, he’s so cool!
Love how little Morgan repects Smasher
It's so amusing that Smasher takes the idea of flesh so personally while Blackhand just wants the cash
Love Ol' Smasher. For such an iconic figure, there is surprisingly little lore about him. But maybe being left wanting more isn't such a bad thing.
Awesome vid, thank you.
Adam from street gang life to corpo life & have an office near beach on the cargo ship.
Mike pondsmith always working on details story of life every characters.
For Rebecca 😢
She deserve that sorry
@@BartmossInfinity I'm willing to hear why u think Rebecca deserves to die??? But I think you might be confused. What actions are you referring to where she deserves to die?
@@RagingRobotz i just love Adam Smasher and antagonist in general
@@BartmossInfinity fair enough u can't have a great story without a great villain I'll give you that. But r u a fan of true love which is what Rebecca was she truly loved David even tho he never even payed any attention to her and in the end she was willing to sacrifice her life for even the smallest chance of saving David
HAHAHA she got smushed
19:15 So the Johnny Bravo at home edition 😂
While I understand this is me being a pedant, it does seem pertinent with how misunderstood psychology is by a lot of people who are in the TTRPG world, but, ASPD, or anti-social personality disorder, is the term used by medical professionals to describe the spectrum of personality disorders that Psycopathy and Sociopathy fall under now, and while you can be "turned into" a psychopath, or sociopath, it is generally agreed upon that the causes of Psycopathy are genetic or inherited traits, that are triggered in people who are or become sociopaths, in other words, not all sociopaths are psychopaths, but all psychopaths are sociopaths.
cyber psychosis is predominately more to do with biological rejection rates and genetic predispositions towards addiction, violence and such. Yes heredity of neuro-divergency is a factor, but think of it more like a mind breaking roid rage, that leads to mania with a inclination toward extreme violence.
the uncontrolled hallucinations are interesting..perhaps a form of dementia? No no that wouldnt be right.. subjects dont suffer short term memory loss, recollection is fine...associative agnosia? Perhaps a breakdown in perceptual model's? In the case of maine throwing a bunch of gas barrels around dorio's body, appearing like tree trunks, either he:
1) is unable to attach the correct mental model to the object, thus sees logs, instead of barrels
2) or he is full clocking out of reality, and during these uncontrolled hallucinations, sensory surface feedback is further feeding the hallucinations mental validity.
Whats most interesting is that to my knowledge, no cyberpsycho reports include the subjects suffering tactile hallucinations..none "feel" things crawling on them etc when hallucinating....
Degradation to the cerebral cortex...
Holy shit!!
What if cyber psychosis affects the old brain?!?...sensory feedback, motor function, raised anger levels.. It all goes through there! the spinal chord..sensory overload in that area... Like an introvert...
Its effectively making people chimp out and snap while hallucinating!!! Hallucinations cause the subject to temporarily disassociate from reality, and, like a sleepwalker...wake up the cyberpsycho....Overload! Panic! Mayhem!
And You get a chimp brained, borged out lunatic screaming incoherently and lashing out with mantis blades because of animalistic survival instinct at a wrongly perceived threat!
God damn.....not bad...😎
Thank you for bringing up the whole Cyberpsycho Theory nonsense. I am not sure where its coming from but its been so annoying to see how people blatantly disregard any type of wordbuilding to the point of even saying stuff like "Maelstrom has no cyberpsychos" or "Its all a lie by the government in the world of Cyberpunk to take out people they dont like". Not only do these theories dont make sense but as I said they disregard SO MUCH lore there is for this world its honestly insane. Great video man, keep it up.
people who say that cyberpsychosis is this real, magical unique thing are ignoring the lore more than the others. just read the sourcebooks yourself. "cyberpsychosis" is just an easy shorthand for any dissociative and psychopathic mental illness that comes from a deficit in Humanity. You can lose Humanity in a lot of ways. You can just be born without very much of it, you can lose it from being a witness to or participant in traumatic events, OR you can lose it from installing unnecessary cyberware and voluntarily cutting your eyes out and arms off to stick 400x cameras and monowires and popup rocket launchers in them.
You seem to think Smasher wears the Dai-Oni armor all the time. That's incorrect. Per the TTRPG, he donned it just once, during the battle of Arasaka Tower in the fourth corporate war. As is seen in Johnny's flashback, at that time Smasher was a standard Alpha class Full Cyborg. Per the books, like Shaitan he had the biopod cyberware option. Which meant you could destroy his body but he would survive if the pod was retrieved in time.
If you look through the TTRPG books, Smasher's body now is a amalgam of an Alpha and Dragoon Cyborg body.
I do not believe that and that wasn't what I was trying to insinuate. My apologies for not being more clear in the video, but I did say during that portion that the DaiOni armor wasn't what Smasher was normally wearing. It was a new appearance specific to the Blackhand battle that no one would be able to recognize. That power armor is practically a mech so it would be extremely unreasonable to wear it too often, and since it was Keis project it's research died with him
@@LayedBackGamers my misunderstanding then. It's still a great video.
@@tomcascaddan8319 It was on me, I should've talked about the rest of his Conversions a bit more. I had only really mentioned the Dai Oni and Elvis. Thanks for watching choom!
Keep it up bro, always keep a eye for ur videos when they release 🔥💯
After watching Panam get replaced with Adam Smasher in the Basilisk scene, I can no longer take him seriously...
i don't really comment but I have to say this was a great vid bro
Thankful that you're still enjoying the content choom! I hope you're doing well and always feel free to let me know any characters, stories, etc you'd like to see next!
Of course, I will if I have any ideas! Thank you for the content!@@LayedBackGamers
Adam smasher a legend? My 17 old cousin just nailed his ass to the wall
Subscribed. Just now giving the game a chance !
I could’ve sworn i saw a video of another adam smasher video but the video click bait was Adam smasher from the source book
My previous thumbnail was Smasher from the sourcebook but I swapped it due to a lower CTR than normal. Unfortunately since I really like the TTRPG artworks.
Whatever happened to Thompson after the Holocaust?
Thompson would be a great topic to get into. He's one of my fav conspiracies in the setting. Allegedly a Media, but when you look at it all together... Thompson''s the sole witness to Alt getting kidnapped, got Johnny involved who got the others involved, was at the AHQ disaster and recorded the whole thing but the tape never got out (so who was he taping for?), admits to being military trained and being in the 4th Corporate War, is generally the most obvious Militech plant you've ever seen (he's literally wearing camouflage and has a Marine high and tight in the 2020 sourcebook art), and on top of everything else, the RED sourcebook confirms Thompson is a fake name.
@@mattb6616 right
@@mattb6616so you’re saying he’s… a reptile? From alpha centuri?!
Wheres Elvis Smasher??!!
In 2077, is Smasher's appearance the Dai Oni armor? Because if it is, its weak. People wearing exo suits are stronger.
He is wearing a heavily modified Dragoon frame in 2077. It's assumed that support for the DaiOni kit ended with Kei Arasaka, and Mike pondsmith has said his new dragoon set is superior. Though it's obvious he has different "loadouts" for the Dragoon. Such as the one he used vs David Martinez. I consider his appearance in Edgerunners to be his peak. Extremely fast, somewhat agile even, and a hard hitter. A big difference to the clunkiness in 2077
Smasher only ever appears in the Dragoon that LBG mentions in 2077 and the NovaTech Samson that he's in during the flashbacks. The DaiOni is like the size of a truck, it's basically a full on mecha.
@@mattb6616remember, the game has limits as well as buildings. Hence the smaller frame.
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minor detail but shaitan is the english word for satan in arabic
*The man, the myth, the legend* 🙌... referring to Layedback, not Smasher. That guy's an A-hole 😂
The real legend besides layedback is well Blueeyes that man pays a shit load of eddies for you to attack arasaka, getting Somi to the moon, and you to the crystal palace! Makes me wonder who he is even tho I already have my suspensions!
One thing i find annoying about smasher is the misconception that he’s an unbeatable god who cannot be damaged/beaten in any way.
The fight with smasher in 2077 isn’t just to convey to us that V is a cracked up cyber demon given human shape (though that is true), but it’s also to show that a skilled and determined solo with nothing to lose is going to beat Smasher. Especially if they’re just more skilled than he is.
Blackhand shows us that message clearly, and V is thematically and narratively their era’s blackhand. there’s always gonna be a bigger fish out there, V and Blackhand happen to be the biggest ones we’ve seen. Or more accurately the best ones.
So i smashed the smasher with a hammer smash and fist
What the ost in back? at 12:04
It’s from the Phantom Liberty OST
Edit: it’s called “just another weapon”
@@AveChristusRex789 thank you I found it
@@nitroesp 👍
The NC (BABAYAGA)
13:19
How's it hanging chooms 😏🤘🤘🤘
it does not hang.. Its bolted on.
Morgan Blackhand with the nuke is a bigger crook and war criminal than Smasher could ever be
Hell yeah
i'm starting to think the bomb was detonated by someone else before it's appointed time. let's assume that the clip in the video game of the bomb being put into an elevator was what morgan did. he was on the roof getting ready to leave knowing he still had time, thinking he had more than 2 minutes. and yet the bomb goes boom way before that time.
@@alexhulea2735It's no matter, because many innocent people in Night City were killed in the process...therefore the guy is even worse than Smasher
It was called the night city Holocaust for a reason. But, in war collateral damage is to be expected! J.s.
@@alexhulea2735 yeah....the player team find out yorinobu has been soulkilled since 2020. If you dont make the right rolls you die by that bomb going off with you in the building...always seemed weird that the squad finds that out, and shortly after, the bomb gets fucked with...
Man, I wish we can have an alternate story where Morgan perform a one sided ass whooping to Adam. With Morgan looking down at Adam in utter disgust, "All that upgrade just to be this weak? Pathetic"
think more clint eastwood in "the good the bad and the ugly" "do you feel lucky NOW, punk?"
Smasher did nothing wrong
Business is business
Cyberpunk version of Griffith
all this lore for an easy boss, i had more trouble with some CyberPsychos than him.
hey dude, i got an advice for you but first i have to say, love your videos. your narration and research into these topics are top notch and i am very grateful.
now, since we are on the topic of technology and AI, i meant to advise you to look into implementing AI yourself, to help you with the content creation...art, text, music... maybe there is something there, that can help you out.
That shit is for lazy ppl with shit content
I don't take anything from 2077 as canon.
Um..well, you should? Because it is? RED is like way superior to v3.0 and it ties in with 2077. Not sure why you wouldn't.
Tf you talking about bro 😭
2077 is cannon but we do not know what ending V has. It’s already stated by the creator Johnny’s memories can not be trusted.
@@zerotodona1495 the canon ending is Path To Glory. Besides it being the most thematically appropriate ending - it's pretty much outright confirmed at this point. V, Lucy, and Song's endings all involve going to the moon. The sequel is codenamed Orion - after a constellation in space. The sequel's plot will likely entail who or what is behind the lunar black site, Blue Eyes, the Paralez's, and Project Oracle.
what are you yammering about bru😭