My dad used to bounce on his seat whenever he wanted to get his car out of a sticky situation. Now I do it too. It never works but at least it feels like I am helping :)
The lack of weight over the rear wheels is definitely a disadvantage, and the longer wheelbase may be as well. It'll be interesting to see other similarly sized trucks in that spot.
@@johnt6673 I agree with driver input. Doesn't matter what speed you set the crawl control at if you're always the same distance away from the obstacle.... you won't get to 5mph on such an incline with only 10ft of room infront of you. Also, lane keeping does work relatively well on the ranger. You just need to turn up the sensitivity on the settings.... something you should do before making your opinion on the vehicle... figure out how to use it.
Its always the case truck VS SUV. An SUV is much better weight balanced front to rear compared to any pickup...unless you add weight to the bed of course.
@@JohnConnor636 I was scare to own American cars because I grew up around Toyotas and Hondas. I made the first leap to American cars and got a lot of hate for it from some of my family members. Now my brothers all have American trucks from F150, Ram Power Wagon, and Gladiator. I still own a few Toyotas but also still have my American car, my 19 Camaro Zl1 1le. I'm not brand loyal so it helps. I'm just waiting for the chip shortage to catch up and truck inventory to pick back up so I can hopefully get a new Power Wagon. I hate paying MSRP and I don't mind waiting.
I wonder if when he locked the Ranger's rear wheels when activating it's version of "crawl control" if it didn't inadvertently mitigate some of it's ability to transfer power only to the wheels with traction. (less hole digging with the rear)
He didn’t use the rangers trail control system correctly. He was still using his foot to control the input when the computer is able to do it just like the Toyota
I note that the test here really had nothing much to do with the Tremor changes. The Tremor has more height and different shocks as compared to the FX4 Ranger - neither of which seemed that relevant to the testing in this video. The 4WD and terrain control systems are the same in FX4 as in Tremor. The 4Runner is an excellent vehicle (with some drawbacks, of course), but I have the Ranger FX4 because I need a mid-sized truck - I need the bed, for versatility. It is helpful to see the limitation of my vehicle. I do wonder if having the bed loaded up with gear would have made much difference (this is not a criticism of the testing in the video; I'm genuinely curious) Hmmmm 🤔
@@rustlesee yeah sandbags are the way to go. I generally throw cinder blocks in my Tacoma bed in snow but with sandbags, if you get stuck you can always open up the sandbag and put the sand under the tires for traction. I did this trick once in a Hino box truck that couldn't climb out of a frozen loading dock that was angled down.
Sandbags are good, but given the fuel capacity, I opted for bed mounted aux fuel tanks. I have to drive "roads" like the one in this video weekly, with my Ranger and company owned previous gen Tacomas and Colorados, and the Ranger....encourages....you to not be timid. The Tacomas encourage you to have lunch. The Colorados encourage you to go back home.
YES, a stiff leaf spring needs weight over it to get in the curve of it's best articulation. An empty bed over springs designed to tow 7500 pounds means those springs were not articulating much, if at all. They were hopping. For offroading I would think 300-500 lbs of gear would be ideal in the bed of THIS truck. But ANY weight would be a vast improvement. I'm not sure the reviewer realizes the conscious decision Ford made in keeping these springs hard to retain the tow rating despite the offroad capabilities. Many competitors can brag about their "trucks" that have that great rear end offroad strutted suspension, but none of those can tow 7500 lbs in a midsized platform! Neither can the 4Runner.
@@Databyter but the thing with midsize trucks is that the percentage of customers towing close to 7500lbs is extremely low. Anyone towing near that and often, typically upgrade to half ton trucks. Midsize trucks are more often used for their bed, payload and are often more capable off roaders than their bigger brothers. If you’re towing close to the limit that often, it doesn’t make sense to go with a midsize truck.
Watched this after watching the Tacoma Trail and another one I commented on couple days ago. The contrast between locker & crawl control made sense here. It’d be great to see a collage of the systems comparing the classes of vehicles you test on this track to get a better understanding of the features and which seem the best or preferred. That’s the next level for your videos!!!! Thank you Sir!
I love these new rangers. We got my grandparents one around this time last year and it is awesome. Great fuel economy, great power, and great performance at high elevations. Sure it has halogens, but personally I don't mind them since they project light pretty well and have auto high beams.
Keys have a passive signal where you push it up to the push button with a dead fob battery and it will still detect and start. So, as long as the key can be placed next to the button, which is always a requirement for a physical key, then it will start just as reliably. . You are more likely to snap the physical key than to not get the active or passive fob to fail altogether.
@@ryzen397 questionable about what? This is an extremely mature technology. Tesla spare is a credit card not even a fob. The technology works extremely well and is extremely reliable.
Push button needs a transmitter and receiver and is thus more complex. With more complexity, you get more possibilities for breakage. However, in practice, I think it's reliable enough for people to like it. I definitely started my car with a dead or weak battery more than once with no problem. However, push-button start are also subject to hacking as well as injuries resulting from incorrect usage, which are less likely with a physical key (kept the engine running without realizing etc.). The problem with hacking is that a one time effort by one person to hack a fob can then be used by unskilled people easily. This is unlike picking/forcing the ignition lock, which requires skills. Remote hacking is also a growing concern, which is simply not possible with a physical key.
@@DavidDLee this is completely wrong. All vehicles now have transponder keys so you have a receiver receiving signal from either a fob or through the key itself. So both also have a way of transmitting the signal. . Also, hacking 1 car doesn’t equal hacking all cars, so it’s still extremely difficult to hack into any car. The ecu requires an encrypted signal to start regardless. Unless there is some obvious exploit where someone could use a mass produced device, you’re completely off base and lack an understanding of how electronics work. . A keyed ignition still requires a transponder and receiver, it also adds on the complexity of a lock cylinder and moving parts to start. Many push button start vehicles don’t even need the button to be pressed anymore to start.
As a tractor trailer fleet mechanic and cdl driver with ten years on the road, I can confidently state that it's a popular misconception to say that leaf spring suspension is optimal for towing. There's almost no semi tractor that uses leaf spring drive axle suspension systems these days. Ram's progressive coils are the best of both worlds in a pickup. Many military vehicles use independent rear suspension for added center clearance, still tow fine and still provide excellent off road capability and durability.
@@jonathanisenhour7923 a 2500 ram pickup has just as much payload, has better ride quality and articulates better in an off road situation. It has rear coil springs. You can even argue that there's no spring wrap under acceleration. I haven't looked under the latest models but I'm betting some of the half ton Rams have gone to coils.
With your hill/new course, you have the potential to make the best video demonstrating every offroad feature on the 4R that everyone always asks about (atrac vs crawl control vs mts, etc) all with the right terrain to showcase each and of course with slow motion and different angles. Look forward to that day!
Great reviews and tests. Interesting comparison of crawl modes with the 4 Runner. I would like to see other pickup trucks in the same course and conditions!
Just bought a '21 Ranger Lariat Tremor and loving it. I find the on road qualities more that adequate for me. The power, to me, is fantastic. Very v6 like and once that turbo spools, it really gets moving. I LOVE the keyless ignition and entry. It was a lightly used truck and whoever had it before me but Firestone Destination AT/2 tires on it. At first I was like, EH, but after a week with them, I'm liking them. No road noise at all. Haven't had it off road yet. My single biggest complaint so far is the start/stop system. I pull into a parking spot and the ASS turns off the engine, and it restarts when I move to park. Otherwise, I'm loving it. I did not love the TRD Pro I test drove. Not at all. I also like the Lariat gauge cluster. I can get what i want including a tach, engine temp, and fuel level on one screen. Hitting the + button on the shifter in normal mode will show you the gear display. I like that.
@@tracy2928 that's about what I exptected. I went looking yesterday and the Honda place has a black edition, already tinted, ridgeline with many bells and whistles for 46k. I tried finding a nice tacoma but the Toyota place only had 2 base models.
LED headlites come standard on Lariat version of ALL Rangers. The stock Halogens on my '19 Ranger XLT FX4 are extremely bright & accurate as are fog lights.
Ex Locksmith here: I prefer key starts because the key/transponder is much less expensive to duplicate OEM (not to mention aftermarket keys) than a proximity fob. While the lock cylinder or transponder coil may fail, I've had so many issues with early Nissan group vehicles with one of the 12 ish receivers in the car failing preventing it from starting. Don't hang a load of weight off of your car key or open packages with it and they will last forever.
Love your reviews, filming and editing. Something that would be nice to have you comment on that came to mind when testing a pick-up truck, when testing "any" SUV or even pic-up truck, when many of use use these off-road, we often have the back and roof with gear. This increases the weight that affects when on the trail. So when testing it might be good to let people know especially when up steep dirt roads or trails that the vehicle will respond differently unloaded versus with passengers and equipment. Just a thought to mention. Great show. Thank you.
@@JimSpence I'll be keeping my "old school" Gladiator indefinitely. I want NOTHING electric, even if it's likely we'll ALL be FORCED to go EV at some point. -- BR
@@billredding2000 yeah man I hear ya. I’m not dissing- I drive around in a 17 year old V8 F150 FX4… just staying I feel EVs are far superior in almost every way for off-road use. Time will tell.
@@JimSpence They may be, in some ways -- but not others. Each has its Pros & Cons trade-offs (as do most things in life). One you-tube channel tested a Wrangler 4xe on the trail, runnig it in all electric mode -- it was able to go 3.6 miles (IIRC) before the battery "expired." Can't wait to see lots of charging-stations on all the trails/mountain passes we have here (in Colorado) and famous trails like the Rubicon Trail. And out in the West Texas desert where people off-road regularly. Just kidding... -- BR
Would love to to see a stock JLU, perhaps a sport or Sahara. Often times reviewers test the top of the line vehicles but I am curious to see what a basic off roader would be capable of without all the optional gadgets.
9:05 to me this is one of the most important things to have in an off-road vehicle. You need to be able to control the back wheels if your sliding down a hill
Been complaining for like the last 2-3 years that they should make push-button start and the B&O sound system options on the XLT trim. More options means more sales.
You can make a fully optioned out XL & still get all the electronics & push button start but with vinyl flooring & the fx4 package then just buy a Fox or Icon suspension setup for less than this tremor package & have a more capable truck. These Rangers are highly underrated though & a great truck!
Perhaps you went in the wrong direction on the Ford wrt speed using Trail Control? You started at the 2 mph setting which had the Ford traveling visibly faster than the 4 runner was traveling with crawl control set to level 2. Then when the Ford tires broke loose you backed off and increased the speed setting. Had you instead dropped the Ford's speed to 1 mph or even 0.5 mph to help avoid breaking traction then it might have worked out better?
Great job on this! The Halogen reflector headlights is insulting at this price. The inside looks very cheap which is fine at $20k range but not $40k like this Tremor. I disliked the automatic transmission when I drove it around the city where it would do random shifts and lug the engine.
What is often over looked is the fact that these transmission are adaptive. They learn driving behavior and change transmission shiftpoints, pressures etc. If it was brand new ot "hasn't learned yet" if it was a rental, more than likely was beaten the crap out of. Luckily it can be reset and there's a learning procedure
@@Darylrb1983 if they were less expensive to purchase or replace, I may be in agreement with you. But right now I am very okay with them being optional. I’m fine with my halogens on my F-150 as I don’t often drive in situations necessitating better lighting.
Tremor owner, good video, awesome course. Looking forward to trucks hitting that course. Science wise, I'm curious how much of that was a tire or tire pressure issue? 39psi factory is a bit high. I'm usually in the 20-26psi range for something like that.
Also curious how my lifted '16 Honda Pilot AWD would have done lol pretty sure it has better AWD electronics but no rear locker. Nitto Ridge Grapplers.
Yea neat test in all but not really realistic. Ask anyone who's driven on sand , tire pressure is the single most important element. In real life the driver would be at 20psi or lower and most likely would have cruised up
Pretty sure the back also has Fox Shocks since this is the same system Ford offers for regular rangers, how ever this one is specifically tuned for the tremor.
As a personal anecdote, the bad thing about the push button start is the expense of a lost key fob. You can't use the physical key to start if, even if you still have it. You can't order a replacement fob really from anywhere but the dealer, you cannot program it yourself, and the car needs to be at the dealership physically. So about $300+ for the replacement fob + $100 for labor + towing cost for a lost key when you have a pushbutton start.
Wonder if the Ranger's wheelbase played a role in that issue. Looking forward to other SUVs and trucks running up there to see if that becomes a trend!
@@TheBeatenPaths Could be, but I dont think the weight difference is too huge between the two. Both weigh a similar amount and from my guess a weight difference over the rear axles would only be maybe 200lbs between them. That could make the difference though, so either way will be interesting to see other vehicles to highlight any trends that may arise.
Its the lack of weight in the back that causes the traction issues, its the same with any truck VS an SUV, which is far better balanced for weight front to rear...course you could always add weight to the pickup bed, but you'd need 400-500 pounds at a minimum for most trucks in order to see a difference in traction.
Normally, I'm not a fan of any drive mode on any 'proper' off road vehicle just because 95% of them are useless marketing gimmicks, but I gotta say; I've actually been pretty impressed with Toyota's sand mode (in the Tacoma - not sure if it's in the 4-Runner, but I would assume so), and the 4-Runner's crawl mode.
On our Ford if the fob battery dies you can place the fob in a designated area (usually center console or cup holders) and it allows the vehicle to start when it detects the chip in near proximity.
I wonder if he had lower air pressure on the 4runner’s tires? That would make a lot of difference in soft terrain. I think starting trail control at 4 miles per hour is just asking for the Tremor’s tires to break traction vs a slower tire rotation he used on the 4runner. Of Course the the truck has a disadvantage without as much weight over the rear tires vs an suv. Just some observations. Either way it was a good test!
Interesting comparison of Crawl control vs. Trail control. Your test really Illustrated the difference. You can see how the Toyota was shifting power around to all four wheels, the Ranger seemed like it was just holding the throttle at a set RPM without trying to modulate it from wheel-to-wheel. I've used the crawl control on my 4Runner a couple times, nothing like this, but on a steep switchback on an icy dirt road, and it was very impressive, because I could feel the power shifting as each individual wheel slipped and then gripped. I was pulling for the Ranger though, I actually really like it. If I were to buy a midsize truck, this would be the front runner.
The lighter pickup might have been a disadvantage, but I've seen on here, both FX4's and Tacomas dig themselves out, buried in beach sand using trail control at 1 mph. At the end of the day, do you think the Tremor is a "long term" vehicle, like a Tacoma? Will I still be driving it 20 years?
If you look at actual data the Ranger (along with every single vehicle other than maybe Fiat) are very reliable. The build quality and engineering across the board has come leaps and bounds. My 2010 Taco had rust issues as well as it had to have the entire blower for the heating/AC replaced at 8,000 miles. I doubt that would happen now. Reliability is almost becoming a non issue in new vehicles. My Ranger has 15,000 miles with zero issues.
@@drn13355 I do agree, I just have this stigma in my brain that a Tacoma is the long term "best investment". That said, I'm a Ford guy, and my '07 Ranger with 300 000 miles is working great. And I bet I haven't spent $1500 in repairs. I'm in the market for new, and I want 15+ years out of it.
@@drn13355 I think an overlooked aspect would be that of single components, such as transmission wear, sensors going out, or other such things. We don’t know since they are still so new
It's not leaf in the back and fox in the front, fox all the way around. Independent in the front. You still get shocks in the rear, stange you say this twice.
don't understand why you keep stopping the truck on these tests. It would seem that you should continue at a slow pace instead of stopping as you would not have had any problem with the last log if just keep moving. Unless it is the purpose to try a get the truck stuck a little.
The crawl control demo was amazing, it was just bizarre how well it did, pleeeeease toyota never ever ever turn the 4runner into a glorified highlander or something like that Also loving the new course, huge step up for the channel and seeing dedicated offroaders struggle is always a good sign, keep it up man!
If you are out in the middle of nowhere at 2 am and the battery dies on your key fob on your push button only vehicle, then you'll wish you had a regular key! My wife's car has push button start but I just prefer a regular key. Seems like the Toyota crawl control works better than the Fords.
I have one with 2.0 biturbo diesel, and with the torque, the articulation, the drive modes and the 33inch KO2s, that steep turn wouldnt be an issue. I love the Ranger Raptor.
A key has been proven time & again to be more reliable actually. If you get Ranger Lariat you get a push button start. Lol Who cares when the off rd ready truck is as good as this new Ranger Tremor! 👍💯
Crawl control has been around for years but still no other truck has a better system, yea it makes noise but the new land cruiser with newer crawl control does not make any noise
Most systems I’ve used have a passive signal so when the battery is dead you just put the fob next to the push button and it works. Battery is only needed to keep in your pocket.
I do not understand why the Ford had so had more difficulty than the 4Runner(or Jeeps previously) did. Even with both using crawl control or the equivalent. Both 4wd with plenty of clearance and solid read axles with rear lockers, plus both with some additional traction management. Could it possibly be wheel base? Is there that much difference in the tires? What? Something must account for the difference. Maybe weight?
I am excited to see what this truck can do. I think I will be in the market for a Ranger in a few years once the new ones come to America and prove themselves.
Has Ford improved the FX4 suspension on the 2021/2022 Ranger? The 2019 Ranger FX4 got a lot of complaints on multiple TH-cam channels. But what about the more recent versions?
Not a normal cross-shop but I did look at the Ranger and the 4runner (along with other mid-sized trucks, but the others were too tight interior-wise - I'm a big dude) and while I loved the speed of the Ranger and utilitarian nature being a truck, I ended up going 4runner (used 2014) due to lower cost, reliability, and comfort. Since I drive many PNW roads like this and your other trails, it was important to have something fairly skinny (i.e. not a full-sized) and short but could also handle random hard sections. I have not been let down by the 4runner, except MPG. Not sure if they would be better in the Ranger with larger tires, armor, etc. but I am glad I went with the 4runner - it's gotten me out of so many funky situations and is way easier to turn around on a tight fire road - which I do SO much when adventuring. The 4runner is cliche but that's because it works so well. Perfect wheel-base, wide enough to be stable, great traction aids, and super comfy. Funny enough, it's about the same size as an 80 series Land Cruiser! Great to see how the Tremor does and look forward to seeing more go on your track and how it evolves!
I understand the limitations of borrowing the truck and promising to not air down the tires (I wonder if THEY DO because it only helps a good review for their product). With obstacles like the sharp rocks the ride would be smoother and less chance of puncture. With the tree trunks in the road or roots aired down tires allow the tire to deform around the obstacle and you would have crossed those much more easily if the tire was not forced to remain perfectly round because of relatively high pressure. The sandy loose S turn where you basically got stuck and needed more momentum also would have benefited from aired down tires, but probably would have still been a problem for this truck with no weight in the bed (The leaf susp. kept for more tow capacity NEEDS weight to tone it down and balance the traction to prevent hopping) and not the most aggressive tires. That is why it is important to air down to get what advantage you can. Car manufacturers err towards overfilling tires, not so much for wear, but for mileage. I recommend SLIGHTLY lower pressures for ALL conditions for a better ride and better traction, and of course much less pressure for this sort of test. What would make the Tremor better? A front locker would have helped a lot on that slippery part where one front tire was spinning and the other wasn't helping as much (This is one of the reasons I am so excited about the new Bronco. FRONT AND REAR lockers available on ALL trims with certain packages.) And of course more aggressive tires and/or aired down tires. Great review, you can see the strength of the truck, and also the limitations. Perfect. I think they should have added an optional limited slip front, or a front locker, and as always if you really are buying this to go up slippery loose grades like the last test, you might need much better and aired down tires as well as WEIGHT over the Leaf Springed Bed. They kept this Leaf springed for towing and cargo capacity, but you would not want to have an empty bed over your stiff springs. It reduces the effectiveness of your rear end traction, even (and especially) with a locker. If there was some weight in the back of that truck it likely would have bit thru the soft soil rather than bouncing up and down in the hole it was making. There is no doubt that rear offroad struts and shocks is a better combination for offroading, but then you wouldn't be able to tow 7500 lbs. with this truck. It is a fair compromise, especially if you do YOUR part and get decent tires, air them down, and put a bunch of camping gear in the bed under a cover. Databyter
Physical key vs Proximity key; as a mechanic I’m on the fence about that comparison. New cars (2009+) can suffer from starter hang which is you turn to start “ key or button “ and the starter motor won’t stop cranking even after the engine starts and when this happens with Proximity keys it will crank until the battery dies or starter motor burns up and the burnt starter is by far the most common and pushing off on the button start won’t do a damn thing where as the physical key will stop it. By far the most common problem these days is the power lock door actuator failure and it happens to all manufacturers and models but the most famous is 4Runner, Corolla and Camry. Actuator failure with a Proximity key can at times be a big issue even though most have a physical key in them but after years of pocket lint and oils from your skin and greasy grubby hands the cover won’t come off with out prying it off with a small flat screwdriver which I’ve yet to see anyone who walks around with that in their pocket and with a physical key you just use they which will lock and unlock all the doors and most of those people never fix that actuator when they find out how much those actuators cost ( $200-300 per door excluding labor…. Count on $500 per door) that’s a major con for proximity keys because you pretty much have to fix it. Reliability between the two is about the same as far as I’ve personally seen. I love my proximity keys and especially with remote start but I also like the physical key because of it’s secondary split second backup system and money savings over the years. My personal opinion isn’t so popular because it goes like this… if you’re to damn lazy to put a key in the ignition then your problems go far deeper than the key.
The electric switch in my Pontiac grand am ignition actually failed on me around 70k miles. The car would start but the accessories wouldn’t get power, so I was driving around without a functioning gauge cluster lol. Sometimes hitting a bump would cause it to come on. It would do the full gauge sweep and then jump to the current values 😂.
Ryan, is there anyway you can borrow the Tremor and take it out for another off road test? I've been watching a lot of your content on the maverick, outback and forester wildness, 4 runner and wish you could the the tremor out on another test other than your test course in Eastern Washington.
Usually a loud yell of C’MON will get you out of any stuck situation 😂
Man. You forgot to add MAN
My dad used to bounce on his seat whenever he wanted to get his car out of a sticky situation. Now I do it too. It never works but at least it feels like I am helping :)
Best Toyota 4Runner commercial ever!
Or at least for the tires it comes with :)
The lack of weight over the rear wheels is definitely a disadvantage, and the longer wheelbase may be as well. It'll be interesting to see other similarly sized trucks in that spot.
Nah fords version of crawl control just sucks. It’s a gimmick
@@snazari1994 You're just a gimmick.
@@johnt6673 I agree with driver input. Doesn't matter what speed you set the crawl control at if you're always the same distance away from the obstacle.... you won't get to 5mph on such an incline with only 10ft of room infront of you.
Also, lane keeping does work relatively well on the ranger. You just need to turn up the sensitivity on the settings.... something you should do before making your opinion on the vehicle... figure out how to use it.
@@baddriversofcolga haaaap I agree
@@snazari1994 what are you smoking? I want some
I think because the back of the Ford Ranger is lighter than the 4Runner it had a harder time climbing the hill
Its always the case truck VS SUV. An SUV is much better weight balanced front to rear compared to any pickup...unless you add weight to the bed of course.
I came here watching the Ranger but now I want a 4runner. 😁
I'm right there with you 😂😂
Better listen to your Hmong dad.
Toyota last forever don't buy America vehicles.
@@warhmonger nah, I actually like American vehicles. I've owned a few and they've been reliable.
@@JohnConnor636 I was scare to own American cars because I grew up around Toyotas and Hondas. I made the first leap to American cars and got a lot of hate for it from some of my family members. Now my brothers all have American trucks from F150, Ram Power Wagon, and Gladiator. I still own a few Toyotas but also still have my American car, my 19 Camaro Zl1 1le. I'm not brand loyal so it helps. I'm just waiting for the chip shortage to catch up and truck inventory to pick back up so I can hopefully get a new Power Wagon. I hate paying MSRP and I don't mind waiting.
@@warhmonger Everything lasts forever if you maintain it..
The crawl control was impressive on the 4 runner.
It's excellent on the Ranger too. In a TFL video, a Ranger was able to climb over an uphill situation that a Gladiator got stuck on
I wonder if when he locked the Ranger's rear wheels when activating it's version of "crawl control" if it didn't inadvertently mitigate some of it's ability to transfer power only to the wheels with traction. (less hole digging with the rear)
He didn’t use the rangers trail control system correctly. He was still using his foot to control the input when the computer is able to do it just like the Toyota
@@jstrig I remember that. I am trying to figure out why the Ford had so much more trouble on this test?
4 runners typically do better than trucks in those situations cause they have that extra weight in the back
I note that the test here really had nothing much to do with the Tremor changes. The Tremor has more height and different shocks as compared to the FX4 Ranger - neither of which seemed that relevant to the testing in this video. The 4WD and terrain control systems are the same in FX4 as in Tremor.
The 4Runner is an excellent vehicle (with some drawbacks, of course), but I have the Ranger FX4 because I need a mid-sized truck - I need the bed, for versatility. It is helpful to see the limitation of my vehicle.
I do wonder if having the bed loaded up with gear would have made much difference (this is not a criticism of the testing in the video; I'm genuinely curious) Hmmmm 🤔
I totally toss some sand bags into the back of my ‘19 FX4 in winter for the same thing (like many truck owners).
@@rustlesee yeah sandbags are the way to go. I generally throw cinder blocks in my Tacoma bed in snow but with sandbags, if you get stuck you can always open up the sandbag and put the sand under the tires for traction. I did this trick once in a Hino box truck that couldn't climb out of a frozen loading dock that was angled down.
Sandbags are good, but given the fuel capacity, I opted for bed mounted aux fuel tanks. I have to drive "roads" like the one in this video weekly, with my Ranger and company owned previous gen Tacomas and Colorados, and the Ranger....encourages....you to not be timid. The Tacomas encourage you to have lunch. The Colorados encourage you to go back home.
YES, a stiff leaf spring needs weight over it to get in the curve of it's best articulation. An empty bed over springs designed to tow 7500 pounds means those springs were not articulating much, if at all. They were hopping. For offroading I would think 300-500 lbs of gear would be ideal in the bed of THIS truck. But ANY weight would be a vast improvement. I'm not sure the reviewer realizes the conscious decision Ford made in keeping these springs hard to retain the tow rating despite the offroad capabilities. Many competitors can brag about their "trucks" that have that great rear end offroad strutted suspension, but none of those can tow 7500 lbs in a midsized platform! Neither can the 4Runner.
@@Databyter but the thing with midsize trucks is that the percentage of customers towing close to 7500lbs is extremely low. Anyone towing near that and often, typically upgrade to half ton trucks. Midsize trucks are more often used for their bed, payload and are often more capable off roaders than their bigger brothers.
If you’re towing close to the limit that often, it doesn’t make sense to go with a midsize truck.
Watched this after watching the Tacoma Trail and another one I commented on couple days ago. The contrast between locker & crawl control made sense here. It’d be great to see a collage of the systems comparing the classes of vehicles you test on this track to get a better understanding of the features and which seem the best or preferred. That’s the next level for your videos!!!! Thank you Sir!
Would love to see the Outback Wilderness on this course
I am a Subaru owner and fan myself, but it´s probably too much for an Outback or Forester Wilderness.
I’d also like to see this!
Same here.
So what you are saying is ypu want to see it fail the course
@@kohsman313 Sure, if that’s the outcome.
I just received my RAV4 Hybrid. 47MPG! Even though I don't need a new car anymore, I enjoy your videos, like ToyotaJeff Reviews
I THINK ITS YOUR DRIVING NOT THE FAULT OF 4X4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another great video. Loved seeing the new test hill and the 4Runner.
The aux switches are a very nice touch. I'm impressed they avoided the bean counter hatchet.
I love these new rangers. We got my grandparents one around this time last year and it is awesome. Great fuel economy, great power, and great performance at high elevations. Sure it has halogens, but personally I don't mind them since they project light pretty well and have auto high beams.
yes but the push button has to detect the presence of the key, thus making it less reliable than the regular key.
Keys have a passive signal where you push it up to the push button with a dead fob battery and it will still detect and start. So, as long as the key can be placed next to the button, which is always a requirement for a physical key, then it will start just as reliably.
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You are more likely to snap the physical key than to not get the active or passive fob to fail altogether.
@@KTMcaptain Yes but the passive signal is questionable to me.
@@ryzen397 questionable about what? This is an extremely mature technology. Tesla spare is a credit card not even a fob. The technology works extremely well and is extremely reliable.
Push button needs a transmitter and receiver and is thus more complex. With more complexity, you get more possibilities for breakage.
However, in practice, I think it's reliable enough for people to like it. I definitely started my car with a dead or weak battery more than once with no problem.
However, push-button start are also subject to hacking as well as injuries resulting from incorrect usage, which are less likely with a physical key (kept the engine running without realizing etc.).
The problem with hacking is that a one time effort by one person to hack a fob can then be used by unskilled people easily. This is unlike picking/forcing the ignition lock, which requires skills. Remote hacking is also a growing concern, which is simply not possible with a physical key.
@@DavidDLee this is completely wrong. All vehicles now have transponder keys so you have a receiver receiving signal from either a fob or through the key itself. So both also have a way of transmitting the signal.
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Also, hacking 1 car doesn’t equal hacking all cars, so it’s still extremely difficult to hack into any car. The ecu requires an encrypted signal to start regardless. Unless there is some obvious exploit where someone could use a mass produced device, you’re completely off base and lack an understanding of how electronics work.
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A keyed ignition still requires a transponder and receiver, it also adds on the complexity of a lock cylinder and moving parts to start. Many push button start vehicles don’t even need the button to be pressed anymore to start.
Man i love that you made your own course! best car channel on youtube!
Found your channel and love the “course “ testing. Adds so much more to a review. Plus from the NW.. gotta follow you.
I'd like to see it with the Tacoma TRD Off-Road now for comparison.
There are some on other channels
@@Darylrb1983 I meant on the same course to see if it's more because of toyota's system or if it's the style of vehicle that makes a difference.
I think because it didn't have enough in the back
Ranger - hilux
Tacoma - f150
And a Frontier Pro-4x.
Good job on the videos! I feel like you are doing a pretty good real world job that us normal guys can understand. Thank you!
Ready to see all of these in the snow up there. Love your content ladie(s) and gents
As a tractor trailer fleet mechanic and cdl driver with ten years on the road, I can confidently state that it's a popular misconception to say that leaf spring suspension is optimal for towing. There's almost no semi tractor that uses leaf spring drive axle suspension systems these days. Ram's progressive coils are the best of both worlds in a pickup. Many military vehicles use independent rear suspension for added center clearance, still tow fine and still provide excellent off road capability and durability.
Military vehicles and Semi's are also much heavier and designed to pull vastly heavier loads
@@jonathanisenhour7923 it doesn't matter. It's purpose built with a targeted gvwr in mind.
@@jonathanisenhour7923 a 2500 ram pickup has just as much payload, has better ride quality and articulates better in an off road situation. It has rear coil springs.
You can even argue that there's no spring wrap under acceleration.
I haven't looked under the latest models but I'm betting some of the half ton Rams have gone to coils.
With your hill/new course, you have the potential to make the best video demonstrating every offroad feature on the 4R that everyone always asks about (atrac vs crawl control vs mts, etc) all with the right terrain to showcase each and of course with slow motion and different angles. Look forward to that day!
Well done on the new course! Excited to see future car reviews on this!
Great reviews and tests. Interesting comparison of crawl modes with the 4 Runner. I would like to see other pickup trucks in the same course and conditions!
Just bought a '21 Ranger Lariat Tremor and loving it. I find the on road qualities more that adequate for me. The power, to me, is fantastic. Very v6 like and once that turbo spools, it really gets moving. I LOVE the keyless ignition and entry. It was a lightly used truck and whoever had it before me but Firestone Destination AT/2 tires on it. At first I was like, EH, but after a week with them, I'm liking them. No road noise at all. Haven't had it off road yet. My single biggest complaint so far is the start/stop system. I pull into a parking spot and the ASS turns off the engine, and it restarts when I move to park. Otherwise, I'm loving it. I did not love the TRD Pro I test drove. Not at all. I also like the Lariat gauge cluster. I can get what i want including a tach, engine temp, and fuel level on one screen. Hitting the + button on the shifter in normal mode will show you the gear display. I like that.
What was the out the door price?
@@jonathanisenhour7923 45k with extended warranty. More than I wanted, but a deal these days.
@@tracy2928 that's about what I exptected. I went looking yesterday and the Honda place has a black edition, already tinted, ridgeline with many bells and whistles for 46k. I tried finding a nice tacoma but the Toyota place only had 2 base models.
You can turn that auto start stop off with forscan.. and a lot of other cool stuff.
@@Someonehad2sayit I'm not willing to disable the trucks charging system and have th AGM battery charging full time. Not good for it.
HOW EVER I ENJOYED YOUR VID. UP TO THE POINT OF YOU DRIVING . THANKS FOR YOUR VEIWS ON THE TRUCK. IT REALLY HELPED !
The key is a mechanical function. It’s simpler than relying on a frequency signal coming from a key FOB
This is a really good test. Id like to see more!
LED headlites come standard on Lariat version of ALL Rangers. The stock Halogens on my '19 Ranger XLT FX4 are extremely bright & accurate as are fog lights.
Ex Locksmith here: I prefer key starts because the key/transponder is much less expensive to duplicate OEM (not to mention aftermarket keys) than a proximity fob. While the lock cylinder or transponder coil may fail, I've had so many issues with early Nissan group vehicles with one of the 12 ish receivers in the car failing preventing it from starting. Don't hang a load of weight off of your car key or open packages with it and they will last forever.
Love your reviews, filming and editing. Something that would be nice to have you comment on that came to mind when testing a pick-up truck, when testing "any" SUV or even pic-up truck, when many of use use these off-road, we often have the back and roof with gear. This increases the weight that affects when on the trail. So when testing it might be good to let people know especially when up steep dirt roads or trails that the vehicle will respond differently unloaded versus with passengers and equipment. Just a thought to mention. Great show. Thank you.
There’s some great things about the Ranger, like the powertrain, especially up here in Colorado. But nothing new compares to the 4Runner. Love my 4R!
Well, I ended-up choosing the Jeep Gladiator (Rubicon) for "up here in Colorado" -- So far, so good. :-)
-- BR
Also in club CO - where they’re testing the Rivian. The EVs will lay all these old school off road machines to rest
@@JimSpence I'll be keeping my "old school" Gladiator indefinitely.
I want NOTHING electric, even if it's likely we'll ALL be FORCED to go EV at some point.
-- BR
@@billredding2000 yeah man I hear ya. I’m not dissing- I drive around in a 17 year old V8 F150 FX4… just staying I feel EVs are far superior in almost every way for off-road use. Time will tell.
@@JimSpence They may be, in some ways -- but not others. Each has its Pros & Cons trade-offs (as do most things in life).
One you-tube channel tested a Wrangler 4xe on the trail, runnig it in all electric mode -- it was able to go 3.6 miles (IIRC) before the battery "expired."
Can't wait to see lots of charging-stations on all the trails/mountain passes we have here (in Colorado) and famous trails like the Rubicon Trail. And out in the West Texas desert where people off-road regularly.
Just kidding...
-- BR
Would love to to see a stock JLU, perhaps a sport or Sahara. Often times reviewers test the top of the line vehicles but I am curious to see what a basic off roader would be capable of without all the optional gadgets.
This custom course wasn’t what we wanted it was what we needed.
9:05 to me this is one of the most important things to have in an off-road vehicle. You need to be able to control the back wheels if your sliding down a hill
You can make every video about the 4runner.
Been complaining for like the last 2-3 years that they should make push-button start and the B&O sound system options on the XLT trim. More options means more sales.
You can make a fully optioned out XL & still get all the electronics & push button start but with vinyl flooring & the fx4 package then just buy a Fox or Icon suspension setup for less than this tremor package & have a more capable truck. These Rangers are highly underrated though & a great truck!
The ranger is tight asf. I got a 96 but the bronco is my move man.
Perhaps you went in the wrong direction on the Ford wrt speed using Trail Control? You started at the 2 mph setting which had the Ford traveling visibly faster than the 4 runner was traveling with crawl control set to level 2. Then when the Ford tires broke loose you backed off and increased the speed setting. Had you instead dropped the Ford's speed to 1 mph or even 0.5 mph to help avoid breaking traction then it might have worked out better?
Please do a review on the 2022 Frontier PRO-4X
I have a 2021 Ranger Tremor and it appears to do has advertised. My issue was just getting my hand on the truck.
Great job on this! The Halogen reflector headlights is insulting at this price. The inside looks very cheap which is fine at $20k range but not $40k like this Tremor. I disliked the automatic transmission when I drove it around the city where it would do random shifts and lug the engine.
Lariat had LED much like you can get a Tacoma with halogens.
What is often over looked is the fact that these transmission are adaptive. They learn driving behavior and change transmission shiftpoints, pressures etc. If it was brand new ot "hasn't learned yet" if it was a rental, more than likely was beaten the crap out of. Luckily it can be reset and there's a learning procedure
They should be standard on EVERYTHING in 2021 even though oem ones are damn near 1200 a piece lol
@@Darylrb1983 if they were less expensive to purchase or replace, I may be in agreement with you. But right now I am very okay with them being optional. I’m fine with my halogens on my F-150 as I don’t often drive in situations necessitating better lighting.
If you think this inside looks cheap dont look at the Tacoma..
Did you use the gravel setting? This usually makes the ranger go through stuff like this...
Came for the Ranger, stayed for the 4Runner.
Big and true
Tremor owner, good video, awesome course. Looking forward to trucks hitting that course. Science wise, I'm curious how much of that was a tire or tire pressure issue? 39psi factory is a bit high. I'm usually in the 20-26psi range for something like that.
Also curious how my lifted '16 Honda Pilot AWD would have done lol pretty sure it has better AWD electronics but no rear locker. Nitto Ridge Grapplers.
Both vehicles were at the same pressure, about 40psi hot.
Yea neat test in all but not really realistic. Ask anyone who's driven on sand , tire pressure is the single most important element. In real life the driver would be at 20psi or lower and most likely would have cruised up
Pretty sure the back also has Fox Shocks since this is the same system Ford offers for regular rangers, how ever this one is specifically tuned for the tremor.
Fox Dampers yes, however still Ford leaf springs.
As a personal anecdote, the bad thing about the push button start is the expense of a lost key fob. You can't use the physical key to start if, even if you still have it. You can't order a replacement fob really from anywhere but the dealer, you cannot program it yourself, and the car needs to be at the dealership physically. So about $300+ for the replacement fob + $100 for labor + towing cost for a lost key when you have a pushbutton start.
Interesting to see Grabber AT/X from the factory. I've quite enjoyed the set I have on my Rogue Select.
I run them on my 4Runner and have been very happy with them.
Wonder if the Ranger's wheelbase played a role in that issue. Looking forward to other SUVs and trucks running up there to see if that becomes a trend!
I doubt the wheelbase was the issue. More like the light back end.
@@TheBeatenPaths Could be, but I dont think the weight difference is too huge between the two. Both weigh a similar amount and from my guess a weight difference over the rear axles would only be maybe 200lbs between them. That could make the difference though, so either way will be interesting to see other vehicles to highlight any trends that may arise.
Its the lack of weight in the back that causes the traction issues, its the same with any truck VS an SUV, which is far better balanced for weight front to rear...course you could always add weight to the pickup bed, but you'd need 400-500 pounds at a minimum for most trucks in order to see a difference in traction.
Air down and it would make it.
Would love to see a regular Cherokee trailhawk or even a limited on this trail as they are considering the most offroadable vehicles in their class
Great test. Hopefully you will be able to test both versions of the ZR2's soon on your new course
Hoping to see your opinion of the new Frontier in the near future!
20:12 That is precisely why I think a manual transfer case lever will always be superior.
I can’t wait to watch a Subaru Wilderness package negotiate this course!
I’m sue it will because this channel is an extension of Subaru’s marketing department.
Normally, I'm not a fan of any drive mode on any 'proper' off road vehicle just because 95% of them are useless marketing gimmicks, but I gotta say; I've actually been pretty impressed with Toyota's sand mode (in the Tacoma - not sure if it's in the 4-Runner, but I would assume so), and the 4-Runner's crawl mode.
My thought process is, there is no battery I have to replace in a key fob to start the vehicle when using a physical key. 🤷♂️
Nice to see an open engine compartment.. no stupid plastic covers!
Appreciate all the hard work
Please keep the last portion of the trail (if possible, make it even harder) to separate wheat from the chaff.
The key is better for security. Also it will still start the car even if the fob battery is dead.
On our Ford if the fob battery dies you can place the fob in a designated area (usually center console or cup holders) and it allows the vehicle to start when it detects the chip in near proximity.
Every fob has a passive system in case the battery dies. A key can be picked, the fob cannot.
Would love to loan you my outback wilderness to test it on this track
I wonder if he had lower air pressure on the 4runner’s tires? That would make a lot of difference in soft terrain. I think starting trail control at 4 miles per hour is just asking for the Tremor’s tires to break traction vs a slower tire rotation he used on the 4runner. Of Course the the truck has a disadvantage without as much weight over the rear tires vs an suv. Just some observations. Either way it was a good test!
Both were set to street PSI
Interesting comparison of Crawl control vs. Trail control. Your test really Illustrated the difference. You can see how the Toyota was shifting power around to all four wheels, the Ranger seemed like it was just holding the throttle at a set RPM without trying to modulate it from wheel-to-wheel.
I've used the crawl control on my 4Runner a couple times, nothing like this, but on a steep switchback on an icy dirt road, and it was very impressive, because I could feel the power shifting as each individual wheel slipped and then gripped.
I was pulling for the Ranger though, I actually really like it. If I were to buy a midsize truck, this would be the front runner.
Crawl only modulates brakes on the front wheels with the axle locker engaged.
The lighter pickup might have been a disadvantage, but I've seen on here, both FX4's and Tacomas dig themselves out, buried in beach sand using trail control at 1 mph.
At the end of the day, do you think the Tremor is a "long term" vehicle, like a Tacoma? Will I still be driving it 20 years?
If you look at actual data the Ranger (along with every single vehicle other than maybe Fiat) are very reliable. The build quality and engineering across the board has come leaps and bounds. My 2010 Taco had rust issues as well as it had to have the entire blower for the heating/AC replaced at 8,000 miles. I doubt that would happen now. Reliability is almost becoming a non issue in new vehicles. My Ranger has 15,000 miles with zero issues.
@@drn13355 I do agree, I just have this stigma in my brain that a Tacoma is the long term "best investment".
That said, I'm a Ford guy, and my '07 Ranger with 300 000 miles is working great. And I bet I haven't spent $1500 in repairs. I'm in the market for new, and I want 15+ years out of it.
@@drn13355 I think an overlooked aspect would be that of single components, such as transmission wear, sensors going out, or other such things. We don’t know since they are still so new
Amazing videos, keep them going. When can you review f150 tremor on your course, please?
Still waiting for Ford to send us one. And waiting. And waiting.
It's not leaf in the back and fox in the front, fox all the way around. Independent in the front. You still get shocks in the rear, stange you say this twice.
Wow the 4Runner is awesome.. was considering a ranger ..not anymore thank u for this
don't understand why you keep stopping the truck on these tests. It would seem that you should continue at a slow pace instead of stopping as you would not have had any problem with the last log if just keep moving. Unless it is the purpose to try a get the truck stuck a little.
That’s a gnarly course u got there
The crawl control demo was amazing, it was just bizarre how well it did, pleeeeease toyota never ever ever turn the 4runner into a glorified highlander or something like that
Also loving the new course, huge step up for the channel and seeing dedicated offroaders struggle is always a good sign, keep it up man!
Yeah that crawl control was an amazing demonstration for the 4Runner. Blew the Tremors capability out of the water rather efficiently and quickly.
This is my favorite ford ranger pickup truck 🛻 👍💕💞
4 Runner for the win!
Not sure if the terrain mode, the manual configuration 4L with rear lock, and the trail control was properly set.
Would love to see a new Mitsubishi of any model on this course or any course!
Why? Literally dozens of other better car companies to get excited about..
@@adamharris2674To each their own, I like Mitsubishi and we like to see how they do offroad.
Mitsubishi? Look at your local scrapyard
If you are out in the middle of nowhere at 2 am and the battery dies on your key fob on your push button only vehicle, then you'll wish you had a regular key! My wife's car has push button start but I just prefer a regular key.
Seems like the Toyota crawl control works better than the Fords.
I subscribed... I like the read world testing
A key doesn't require a battery.. key fob with push button does (coin cell in the fob). Is this the reliability that is being questioned?
Still waiting on that Raptor Ranger!
I have one with 2.0 biturbo diesel, and with the torque, the articulation, the drive modes and the 33inch KO2s, that steep turn wouldnt be an issue. I love the Ranger Raptor.
@@kadimsilahtar lol, sure just rub it in for us in North America w/o the Ranger Raptor. We'll never see the diesel in any event.
Halogen headlights on any vehicle these days in unacceptable! Especially a new F-150. The price of these vehicles demands better headlights.
The 4Runner has Halogen. Just in a projector. 😂
Ranger has crawl control too!
A key has been proven time & again to be more reliable actually. If you get Ranger Lariat you get a push button start. Lol Who cares when the off rd ready truck is as good as this new Ranger Tremor! 👍💯
"In the mountains when you get a little slippy slippy 😏" 😂
Crawl control has been around for years but still no other truck has a better system, yea it makes noise but the new land cruiser with newer crawl control does not make any noise
On the push-button starting: no for FOB failure or dead FOB batteries. Many will remove the push-button for that reason.
Most systems I’ve used have a passive signal so when the battery is dead you just put the fob next to the push button and it works. Battery is only needed to keep in your pocket.
@@KTMcaptain LOL, you've memorized that sentence by now huh
@@IamGroot786 for sure!
How does that wench switch work? And is she able to leave the truck once activated?
I do not understand why the Ford had so had more difficulty than the 4Runner(or Jeeps previously) did. Even with both using crawl control or the equivalent. Both 4wd with plenty of clearance and solid read axles with rear lockers, plus both with some additional traction management. Could it possibly be wheel base? Is there that much difference in the tires? What? Something must account for the difference. Maybe weight?
I am excited to see what this truck can do. I think I will be in the market for a Ranger in a few years once the new ones come to America and prove themselves.
We love to see surprise 4Runner content lol
Has Ford improved the FX4 suspension on the 2021/2022 Ranger? The 2019 Ranger FX4 got a lot of complaints on multiple TH-cam channels. But what about the more recent versions?
The Ford Raptor and Thunder are wow for me
Not a normal cross-shop but I did look at the Ranger and the 4runner (along with other mid-sized trucks, but the others were too tight interior-wise - I'm a big dude) and while I loved the speed of the Ranger and utilitarian nature being a truck, I ended up going 4runner (used 2014) due to lower cost, reliability, and comfort. Since I drive many PNW roads like this and your other trails, it was important to have something fairly skinny (i.e. not a full-sized) and short but could also handle random hard sections. I have not been let down by the 4runner, except MPG. Not sure if they would be better in the Ranger with larger tires, armor, etc. but I am glad I went with the 4runner - it's gotten me out of so many funky situations and is way easier to turn around on a tight fire road - which I do SO much when adventuring. The 4runner is cliche but that's because it works so well. Perfect wheel-base, wide enough to be stable, great traction aids, and super comfy. Funny enough, it's about the same size as an 80 series Land Cruiser! Great to see how the Tremor does and look forward to seeing more go on your track and how it evolves!
I understand the limitations of borrowing the truck and promising to not air down the tires (I wonder if THEY DO because it only helps a good review for their product). With obstacles like the sharp rocks the ride would be smoother and less chance of puncture. With the tree trunks in the road or roots aired down tires allow the tire to deform around the obstacle and you would have crossed those much more easily if the tire was not forced to remain perfectly round because of relatively high pressure. The sandy loose S turn where you basically got stuck and needed more momentum also would have benefited from aired down tires, but probably would have still been a problem for this truck with no weight in the bed (The leaf susp. kept for more tow capacity NEEDS weight to tone it down and balance the traction to prevent hopping) and not the most aggressive tires. That is why it is important to air down to get what advantage you can. Car manufacturers err towards overfilling tires, not so much for wear, but for mileage. I recommend SLIGHTLY lower pressures for ALL conditions for a better ride and better traction, and of course much less pressure for this sort of test. What would make the Tremor better? A front locker would have helped a lot on that slippery part where one front tire was spinning and the other wasn't helping as much (This is one of the reasons I am so excited about the new Bronco. FRONT AND REAR lockers available on ALL trims with certain packages.) And of course more aggressive tires and/or aired down tires. Great review, you can see the strength of the truck, and also the limitations. Perfect. I think they should have added an optional limited slip front, or a front locker, and as always if you really are buying this to go up slippery loose grades like the last test, you might need much better and aired down tires as well as WEIGHT over the Leaf Springed Bed. They kept this Leaf springed for towing and cargo capacity, but you would not want to have an empty bed over your stiff springs. It reduces the effectiveness of your rear end traction, even (and especially) with a locker. If there was some weight in the back of that truck it likely would have bit thru the soft soil rather than bouncing up and down in the hole it was making. There is no doubt that rear offroad struts and shocks is a better combination for offroading, but then you wouldn't be able to tow 7500 lbs. with this truck. It is a fair compromise, especially if you do YOUR part and get decent tires, air them down, and put a bunch of camping gear in the bed under a cover. Databyter
Physical key vs Proximity key; as a mechanic I’m on the fence about that comparison. New cars (2009+) can suffer from starter hang which is you turn to start “ key or button “ and the starter motor won’t stop cranking even after the engine starts and when this happens with Proximity keys it will crank until the battery dies or starter motor burns up and the burnt starter is by far the most common and pushing off on the button start won’t do a damn thing where as the physical key will stop it. By far the most common problem these days is the power lock door actuator failure and it happens to all manufacturers and models but the most famous is 4Runner, Corolla and Camry. Actuator failure with a Proximity key can at times be a big issue even though most have a physical key in them but after years of pocket lint and oils from your skin and greasy grubby hands the cover won’t come off with out prying it off with a small flat screwdriver which I’ve yet to see anyone who walks around with that in their pocket and with a physical key you just use they which will lock and unlock all the doors and most of those people never fix that actuator when they find out how much those actuators cost ( $200-300 per door excluding labor…. Count on $500 per door) that’s a major con for proximity keys because you pretty much have to fix it.
Reliability between the two is about the same as far as I’ve personally seen.
I love my proximity keys and especially with remote start but I also like the physical key because of it’s secondary split second backup system and money savings over the years. My personal opinion isn’t so popular because it goes like this… if you’re to damn lazy to put a key in the ignition then your problems go far deeper than the key.
The moment I’ve been waiting for!!
awesome review. thanks!
The electric switch in my Pontiac grand am ignition actually failed on me around 70k miles. The car would start but the accessories wouldn’t get power, so I was driving around without a functioning gauge cluster lol. Sometimes hitting a bump would cause it to come on. It would do the full gauge sweep and then jump to the current values 😂.
Ryan, is there anyway you can borrow the Tremor and take it out for another off road test? I've been watching a lot of your content on the maverick, outback and forester wildness, 4 runner and wish you could the the tremor out on another test other than your test course in Eastern Washington.
my 2016 colorado has wireless support how to 2021's still not have that. i have an LT not even a high end model lol
Is there a 2021.5 model? I see 21’s with led headlight push button start fox shocks…