Why Maegor Targaryen had No Chill Explained ASOIAF Lore
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Interestingly, Alys may have had Maegor's child. As his 3rd wife admitted to poisoning the other wives, so it may not have been a bastard.
If the child was deformed it was probably a Targaryen.
But how if the wife wasnt related? on the pic it looked more like roadkill dragon baby so maybe some people out of family blood was to weak to just make it work with the dragon blood and thats why Targaryens deicded to do it between thesmelfs
@@Vida7354 The Targaryens aren´t superhumans. Inbreeding, defective gens or bloodmagic are probably the cause of Targaryens deformity
@@Vida7354maegor himself was the product of incest. Incest leads to deformed babies even if the parents arent related
@@Vida7354 even if the baby isn't a complete Targaryen and has a new gene pool introduced, they still are severely inbred because of their father's genes, the mother's gene pool can only do so much, so Maegor's genes were clearly stronger, but also corrupted, so Alys not being a Targaryen wouldn't negate a possibility of a stillborn that looks like most Targ kids, if anything its more obvious its a Targaryen since their family is known for dragon-like stillborns.
@@quincyquincy4764in this case the aforementioned third wife had "posioned" the child with sorcery. successive children of maegor, even from those not related to the targaryens, were similat.
What makes it even more screwed is this was all cooked up by his 3rd wife who more than likely poisoned or used dark magic on Alys to cause the miscarriage
She admits this later to having poisoned the pregnant Alys. Not to cause the miscarriage but to create the twisted creature in the first place.
@@smaugkat well, she admits it, but the second wife and her family are already dead🤷
@@smaugkat does she ever get punished?
@@itznptime806 Iirc Maegor kills her on spot by choking her to death
@@smaugkatshe only admitted it to avoid getting tortured by maegor..
It was more than likely, she suspected ,lord harroway was trying to pin the miscarriage on her .
Since she was a witch but she was faster.
Poor lady, she lost her baby for no fault of her own and her entire family got killed for it and she was tortured to death for it.
Actually megor 3wife posined her thats why she lost the baby its even worse than u think
@@Daniel-ug4pu sounds like standard got intrigue tbh it's cruel sure but imagine being a lesser wife from a King what would you do to rise? First of all play with a fear every man has (your wife cheated and sired a bastard) only the women could be sure this kind is hers for 100% in this time period as a man you had no guarantee for that especially when you are rich or royal (bastards can be made kings) so in theory if your husband is not fertile you can cheat on him claim that's this is his son aaaaaand baaaaam bastard on the throne (rise of a mighty house) security of your position as queen etc....
That's why I understand why number 3 wanted to see number 2 fall
@colshotlp9692 I think number 3 was just jealous she couldn't have kids with him.
@@jeffreysamson5938 well even then in the end there are only 5 so she is number 2 🤔
Idk why she told him it wasn’t his tho she should’ve known how that crazy mf was gonna react
the crazy part is one of maegor’s wives, tyanna of the tower who was said to be a sorceress, admitted to poisoning her sister wives who were pregnant. so in actuality house harroway and poor alys harroway suffered for no reason.
edit: by sister wives, i mean the relationship between maegor’s wives with each other.
Just a correction. None of Maegor's wives were his sisters. The closest was Rhaena who was his niece. The others were from different houses.
@@johndinobuff583 yes. by sister wives, i meant the relation between maegor’s wives with each other.
Tyanna of Pentos only admitted to that to avoid being tortured by Maegor..
And to push him into killing her on the spot..
Also Lord Harroway was mostly likely trying to pin the miscarriages on her anyway because she was a witch.
So she acted fast..
@@yazzsoltan7213then again, why was Alys given to her so that she could torture her for two weeks before she died? I highly doubt that she was innocent.
@@yazzsoltan7213You're forgetting that she also said she had poisoned another wife who was pregnant at the time and said that she too would miscarriage which in fact did happen. So, I think she was pretty guilty tbh
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Maegor The Cruel is just Henry VIII but married to three wives at once and with no living children all together. He even killed two (maybe three but there is no proof), "divorced" two (more like Rhaena was one to divorce him but whatever), had one die at childbirth and one outlive him. His queens also have some similarities to Henry's wives, especially Ceryse Hightower and Catherine of Aragon.
Maegor's more comparable to Ivan the Terrible. The Henry VIII comparison is pretty superficial; he was a much more competent King than most people think.
@@matthewhart9610 I was mostly referring to the parallels between him and Henry when it comes to wives since that was the main focus of the clip. Ivan had successfully beaten both of them in number of women he married (wasn't it like 8-9 of them?) and as far as we know didn't kill any of them. If I remember correctly, some ended up in monasteries, one was punished to live in some sort of prison for cheating, death of like 2-3 of them only made him more afraid he is being betrayed and for one there are suspicions she killed her but 0 proof. And, to top it all, some of them might have not even existed at all and are just product of folklore
It is said that maegors marriages were based off on the tudors era meaning Henry
It was also confirmed
He also looks a bit like him in the artwork at the beginning.
I've said it before Maegor wasn't doing what was necessary to save the Targaryen line, Aegon the Uncrowned who he murdered was said to be just like his grandfather Aegon the Conquerer and the weak king Aenys he didn't even oppose. He was just crazy and power hungry. Any good that came of his reign like the Red Keep and Maegors Holdfast were happy accidents.
It was necessary. He paved the way for Jahaerys's peaceful reign.
@@sxperbia not really. The realm was in tatters and a lot of Jaehaerys reign wasn't peaceful, he fought several wars. Jaehaerys brought peace not Maegor. The only good thing he did was put down the faith militant rebellion which Aegon was going to do anyway since they attacked him and his wife. Maegor didn't act out of honor or to protect the Targaryen lineage, he acted out of self interest and was destroying the kingdom, hence why his own small council betrayed him to Jaehaerys.
@@connordorman117 aegon the uncrowded wouldn't have beaten the faith milatent the only reason he was able to claim quicksilver was because maegor took over , he was also vary inexperienced in war it's vary unlikely he would have solved the problem, I think maegor at first was doing what he thought was best for his house but the power got to his head.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 maegor could've ended the faith militants by helping aegon the uncrowned also lol but he didnt.
@@avinashkandru3316 sure but what does maegor gain from supporting aegon? He has no Dragon and he's shown no proof that he'd be an improvement to anyes, his marriage is the entire reason for the uprising in the first place it makes more since for maegor to take matters into his own hands , tho I do think it would have been better if he choose to be regent instead of king it makes logical since for him to take the throne rather thrn surrender it to a boy who's never gone to war.
The only good thing Maegor did was eliminating the faith militants. Everything else about him is insane.
He didn’t even accomplish that. There were still thousands of them across the realm, with an entire army camped outside of Oldtown by the time he died.
Tbh by margor’s time the faith militant became the « good guys » compared to the King
@@MorallyDubiousFrog I understand that . But if it wasn't for him (as much as I hate saying that) they would've turned into a power house even worst than the sparrow and his minions. Jaehaerys rule would've been challenged and his marriage to Alysanne would've been ignored similar to his brother Aegon the uncrowned.
@@KalashVodka175 I find it hard to see them as the good guys in any scenario tbh . Their refusal to acknowledge Aegon as king is the reason Maegor made it to the throne in the first place .
@@merykhan97 The Faith was already a powerhouse way beyond the Sparrows of later years. If Maegor had declared for Aegon and put down the faith in his name, then he can still defend Hoise Targaryen without usurping the throne and becoming a kin slayer.
Maegor woke up and really chose violent or chaotic options. He’s the reason why everyone takes the Targaryen/Valyrian coin flip seriously
That’s Baelor the “blessed”
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 baelor wasn't that violent though. He was indeed insane nonetheless
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Baelor was slightly insane but in a good way, not in a « i will kill yo je entire family because of a unfounded rumour » kind of way.
@@KalashVodka175Baelor was just really into intermittent fasting and seman retention. That Howard Hughes sort of mad.
@@maxi1ificationatleast baelor connected dorne with the seven kingdoms
And you thought the
Mad king was bad. Maegors the father of madness
mad king was still bad maegor was cruel not mad .
Maegor was far better than aerys.
Maegor is great warrior unlike arys. But yes maegor is cruel mandness king
Basically Maegor was Henry Vlll.
can you explain please?
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 He ry Vlll had a bunch of wives and killed some of them. He would also destroy the families of people who angered him.
@@robpolaris7272 Which Country that he ruled?
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 Britain
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 well mostly england
Why do i get the feeling most of the Maegor simps are just projecting abusive daddy issue they refuse to acknowledge.
Aaaaah, GRRM's subtle way of pissing over Henry VIII love it.❤
It was said in the book fire and blood that Maegor found both his wife and her father in the act after tourturing 20 men who finally admitting to the crime. Even worse he murdered an entire town too no just the people with Harroway blood, he killed every single person in the town they ruled over and then gave the town over to a different house
False confession though.
Learn to use the comma, it's handy.
Maegor didn’t catch his wife in bed with her father. His other wife Tyanna claimed this happened and then tortured people into agreeing with her.
@@MorallyDubiousFrog my mistake I didn’t mean to say she caught them in bed together I meant like in the act of trying to do the crime
@@Krios23bro Except that was the crime Tyanna accused Alys of. She claimed Alys slept with her father and other men in order to get pregnant.
In reality, Alys didn’t do anything. Tyanna poisoned her to kill the baby and then tortured men into claiming they slept with Alys.
Henry VIII of Westeros
With some Ivan the Terrible sprinkles on top.
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The prank:
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He was live in Australia that makes his Eng better
Why are there a strangely high amount of Australian ASOIAF TH-camrs
@@RayFog1 because beside US & Germany the other bigest Asioaf Fandom was in Australia
@@darellmawitjere why is that
@@RayFog1 Still became mystery until this day. 😀
He’s basically Henry the 8th
Maegor certainly earned his moniker 'the Cruel'.
Had no children too
Thank God, can you imagine what a monster of a father he would have been?
If Daemon became king, it is obvious he would never be cruel like Maegor.
Maegor was Absolute Evil. Daemon doesn't come close
Daemond is more evil than Maegor he killed his wife for no reason he would do worse
@@warrioremperor6320show only. When he heard of his wife’s death He’s fighting in the step stones
@@YourGraceMyLady well since the show is the true telling😂
@@ratikantrout1865 GRRM said there is show canon and book canon.
I’ve always found it interesting that Westeros punishes pretty much anyone for being one extreme or the other, you’re either completely honorable like ned and you get your head chopped off for it, or you’re as cruel as Maegor the cruel and you just live a terrible life till you die lol.
But Maegor’s life must’ve been absolutely terrible regardless if he was actually king or not. Everyone hated him for how ruthless he was, he only gave birth to deformed or just still birthed children, he mercilessly murdered people and didn’t give a shit, and then he just died on the throne presumably killed by it but more likely killed by one of the many many many lords who likely hated his guts.
You know the wives were on that moon tea and the maesters were sabotaging births as well.
Maesters had nothing to do with it. His third wife, Tyanna, was poisoning the wives when they got pregnant.
The only way this could be more obvious is if there names were Henry and Ann.
I believe that Maegor character is based on Henry Viii
I mean this is basically what Robert would’ve done if he found out about Cersei and Jaime so I don’t get why maegor is looked at so bad basically any king would do that if they thought or found out the queen cheated
Crazy how Aegon the Conqueror could produce such a child
Targshills be like "yay king Slay!"
Targchads
@@ajarofmayonnaise3250nah, yall targsimps are crazy
He had six wives and wanted a son and was a terrible husband. Who does that sound like.
… Henry VIII
Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived! I'm Henry VIII I had six sorry wives, some might say I ruined their lives.
@@ignacio4159 throw-away, destroy, let go, throw away, destroy, recycle. Yeah, a very nice king/husband, was he.
What's with GRRM and monstrous babies?
Have a look at real life history and there’s a lot of them too. Humans can do evil things if you give them power with little consequence.
Its the result of incest and blood magic. Most times it is ok but sometimes things go haywire.
Targs ain't right I tell you, inhuman abominations wrapped in human skin manipulated by blood magic. Those monstrous babies were the result of failed rituals. Failed to cover up their true forms!
No I'm not wearing a tinfoil hat, nor am I from Oldtown. Why do you ask?
He's a fan of Lovecraft.
Maegor: he was a wise man who did what was needed to ensure house Targaryen’s rule
Also Maegor: slaughtered whole families based on hearsay
Just like Henry VIII, disgusting
Revenge
Imagine being a humble farmer, just minding your own business and tending to your farm then some nutjob on a dragon comes in burns you alive cuz idk you're like a reeeeaaally distant Harroway cousin
Hbo should do a show for this guy and turn him into the actual villain that wins at the end
He…he doesn’t win in the end. He’s killed during the beginning of a civil war to put his nephew on the throne
@@Shaec0 well that's even better..but this guy should be the main character lol
@@Shaec0 maybe they could put him into house of the dragon
@@marcthomas4488Rhaenys said in Ep. 1 Maegor’s been dead for 70 years
@@marcthomas4488And how would Maegor be in HotD? Time travel?
poor alys!!! my heart breaks for her 💔
This guy makes the Mad King look like a merciful dude.
Blessed Are The Merciful
She lost her child due to Tyanna. Tyanna confessed after that she was poisoning Aly's child in the womb. S
Also, Alys was sleeping with almost everyone around and her father was in on it.
Aphrodite
So the witch was half right.
So he's Robert but hates harroways
If Robert was on demon time 24/7 with absolutely no chill at all. But yeah
Robert needed to kill himself then tbh, fool more Targaryen than I am African.
@@NoctisCantet like if Rhaegar took 2 Lyanas
@@sammakesstuff4176 lmao I spit out my water reading that but yes
@@sammakesstuff4176 Yeah but with the Biggest, Baddest Dragon around ur corner lol...
After that King Maegor lotery and made Survival game for New seat of Harrenhall & Lord Towers win that game. but sadly the lord became coma and his sickly son name Maegor Tower take the seat until his dead after his illnes wipeout all House Towers member.
Man is there any one in game of thrones can ride the flying nimbus
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Hodor
@@sammakesstuff4176 only Hodor!!!😂😂
Durran Godsgrief father in Law 😅
Brienne, Ned, maybe Jon and that’s it.
My man sounds like a simp , one word from a women and he kills an entire blood line 😭🤦♂️😂
All of this was just a misunderstanding guys. Maegor was a man of the people and is dearly missed 🙏
We need a pre-prequel
House of the Dragon is the prequel 😂
@@jos_targaryen we need a PRE-prequel
@@jos_targaryenneed a aegon conquests and sons of the dragons show
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw need a aegon conquests and sons of the dragons show
It would’ve made more sense starting with Aenar Targaryen. The beginning when they left the Doom of Valyria with his sister Daenys the dreamer.
The show writers with House of the dragon has omitted too much like the Red Kraken and Racallio Ryndoon. Even craghas Drayhar, the crab feeder was shown to us like he was some creature. Craghas was a prince in black fine armour, whilst Daemon did kill him as we see- the battle wages on for years.
Hate me if you want i think if henry cavill joins the westerosi world he should play maegor. Im sure they could bring a major sense of humanity to the role through his acting like matt smith did. All the while cavill would be able to show is range as an actor and would be more inline with is no chill portrayal of geralt. Cuz i think aegon the conqueror should be played by an unknown and much leaner less bulked up, actor
He had chill until his family AND the Faith decided to turn on him. I consider him Maegor the misunderstood.
Senseless violence is dumb
I have a feeling him and Henry VII would be VERY good friends……
I’m actually proud to say I’ve read about this one in the source material! I love this world and these videos are awesome when reading through all the events of this story 😂😂🤙🏻
So he was like Henry VIII…but turned up to 11! 😱
Maegor is inspirerend by Henry the eight right? Six wives, hard time making babies or whatever, being a douche to his wives
Maegor series would be brutal and I'm here for it. Man was built different.
Desperate for a heir, but never got one.😂😂😂😂
Is a pitty a young Till Lindeman never became an actor, he is in my head each time i read about Maegor
Holy shit… maegor was even more brutal than I thought.
I like the theory that Maegor's kids were all deformed and stillborn because he died at his Trial by Seven, Tyanna resurrected him with R'hllori magic (a la Thoros and Lady Stoneheart), and they came out stillborn and deformed as a side effect of the blood magic combined with their undead Targaryen father (a "dead things don't make new life" type deal)
I am also an enjoyer of the Maegor is fire Wight theory
No, Tyanna was poisoning into the pregnancies.
It makes sense.
It’s directly states that Tyanna was poisoning the wives to sabotage their pregnancies.
To think jofrey and Ramsey was cruel, titles really meant something
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GRRM inspiration for Maegor definitely came from King Henry VIII
This is why people were afraid of Daemon getting anywhere near the throne. The Dance Daemon not Blackfyre just in case anyone gets confused
About to kill another wifey, Henry... I mean Maegor?
Thou Shalt Not Kill
@@SuperGreatSphinx ...you don't say!
Tyanna was really the one at fault here. Maegor was just stupid enough to believe her.
So he was a psychopath
Take this info with a grain of salt, the books are written through the eyes of a Maeyster not a non biased opinion.
So singers and jahaerys pov is also false?
What about pov character like Orys Baratheon?
Henry VIII but less fat
Ah yes, cruel and dumb too.
Monarchy works! You only need a strong ruler and everything is good.
God Save The King
Oh so he is Henry VIII
He was a bad guy, but he saved the family from having to battle the faith for a long time
No he didn’t. His family was still battling the faith after he died. Jaehaerys had to deal with an army of Poor Fellows outside Old Town and had to negotiate peace with Joffrey Doggart.
Why does everyone give him the credit for this? Any targ can fly a dragon and set faith militant on fire. All that did was foster resentment and turn the small folk against them.
It was Jaehaerys who finally established a lasting peace with the faith by pardoning the faith militant and redefining religious doctrine.
@@thedemonhater7748 In a way though he did. The faith were more willing to compromise with Jaeharys because they saw him as reasonable as compared to Maegor and they suffered many losses. If Maegor wasn’t as cruel as he was, I doubt they would be that easily satisfied with letting Jaeharys do his sister.
Where do you get all this info? Like it's on a book or something? I'm curious cause it's really interesting and cool, hope anyone can tell me
Fire & Blood (definitely worth reading)
- Told from the perspectives of several Maesters, Septons and sometimes eyewitness accounts
- Covers a very brief history of; House Targaryen and Valyria before the Doom, followed afterwards by the "Century of Blood" 102-2 BC, until it goes in depth about Aegon the Dragon and his sisters and how they conquered the realm
- From there it covers the Reign of Aegon the Conqueror (including his wars with Dorne) all the way to the 7th Targaryen King Aegon III's 16th nameday, which I believe occurs in the year 150 AC
- There's also "Rise of the Dragon" which is basically an abbreviated version of F&B, but with colored illustrations
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I always have asked myself....what if Maegor wasn't really cruel but history piled these messed up stories on him or twisted/exaggerated the truth?
His mother was Visenya.
Oh yes, keep the psychopath busy and run away to Essos while he's distracted
Strange its like Henry and anne
Average CK3 player
A truly harrowing tale
that's the short version with many things missing the truth is that Alys father to secure his daughter position among maegor's wives he had many men bedding his daughter to give maegor an heir which is treason by all sens and means, Maegor was cruel ? yes maybe yet his rule was important bcs that's what reminded lords of westeros to never mess with the dragon + he built the red keep and his secret passages + the dragons pit
Is it Maegor?
As i read the books, the poor fellows and warrior sons it's only just begun..
- In Storm lands the skirmish almost bring orys Baratheon down √
- In western land they have new warrior leader Joffrey Dogett, starting campaign√
- in the Vale and Riverland warrior sons keep ambushing Targs loyalists in the street.√
- Lannister, Baratheon, Arryn, Stark, and Tully already in secret communication of overthrowing Maegor (if it wasn't for Jahaerys they will be done)
Jahaerys is the one who calm the bloodbath.
Jahaerys regent must deal with RABELIONS in motions for decades.
You think Maegor have any positive?
That guy stab kitten when he is 6
No chill... Dren
"She belong to the street, in pieces!"
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This is quite literally the Chinese's "诛连九族" where 5 generations of your kin and 4 generations of your spouse's kin are executed for grievous crimes
3 months into pregnancy? I’m sorry they must not now how 3 months old fetus miscarriage look like.. malformed? Eyeless? 😢😂😅
I can clearly see Henry viii is the inspiration behind Magor
Dude needs his own show
Its, funny how the inspiration is taken from King Henry the 8 and conpared to him maegor was actually halfway competent...
If we go by the theory of Targaryens having actually dragon blood in them, the reason his kids ended up that way could've simply been because Maegor himself had very dominant dragonic genes and his offspring just got inherited them. Blood magic and ancient genetic engineering results in some Targaryens being more cruel and mad than others depending on their draconic genes showing up in different ways. Also could result in physical manifestation of those genes like scales, wings, or blindness. Apparently pale hair and skin could also be a trait credited to draconic genes.
Damn thats even fucked up than the starks
It’s giving Henry the 8th 🌚
His story is giving Henry VIIII all over again 😂
I have a theory that Alys Rivers is Alys Harrowway escaping or being cursed by Maegor and Tyanna
Alys's fears also stemmed from how Maegor's first wife was discarded and became a woman that would grow old and wither because she didn't give him a son. Her desperation is also what led to her father getting her thrown around with her family members to produce an heir so she wouldn't go through that.
Only to meet a worse end.
I had to laugh out loud. Literally just sounds so stupid. Over the top GRRM at his finest, no wonder he'll never finish the series.
Its always the miserable limp ones. if he was real, he’d be part of the manosphere.
A show about this guy would be brutal and hard to watch…
I just want to see Henry cavill as Maegor. I think he’s the perfect fit and I love him as a villainous character
The characters in game of thrones are mostly horrible
I'm sorry is everyone in westereos depressed😅😂😂...they need to take a chill pill 😭😭😭
Why is Alys Harroway an e girl
What now? Where did you get that idea?
I honestly would love to see a GOT series of Aegon and then his son Maegor the Cruel (The first Mad King).
Damn these made up characters make you glad they’re made up and not real 😂😂😂😂😂
He’s so hot though
Lust