The Wave
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The Third Wave was the name given by history teacher Ron Jones to an experimental recreation of Nazi Germany which he conducted with high school students.
The experiment took place at Cubberley High School in Palo Alto, California, during one week in 1969[1]. Jones, unable to explain to his students why the German citizens (particularly non-Nazis) allowed the Nazi Party to exterminate millions of Jews and other so-called 'undesirables', decided to show them instead. Jones writes that he started with simple things like classroom discipline, and managed to meld his history class into a group with a supreme sense of purpose and no small amount of cliquishness. Jones named the movement "The Third Wave," after the common wisdom that the third in a series of ocean waves is always the strongest, and claimed its members would revolutionize the world. The experiment allegedly took on a life of its own, with students from all over the school joining in;
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"The popular thing is not always the correct thing!"
That phrase says it all.
The problem is, the popular thing is also to dismiss such phrases.
I would say it's an accurate saying but missused in the context of this experiment.
Because here it's not the popular thing that is elevated as the correct, but one man's ideal, which depending of whoever he is, can either be bad, average, or great. Take a philosopher and grant him full powers, or a bourgeois, or a potter, all these will have different impacts, good and bad, in different domains, but the people are just the expression of the individual's drives, and nothing else.
The sad irony is the city where this took place, Palo Alto, California, is MUCH WORSE. The original experiment, The Third Wave, only took ONE WEEK for the teenagers to start acting like Nazis. Look up the truth about that city online, not just the Wikipedia page.. and you will read some very frightening facts about how little those people think for themselves in real life. They LOVE being led by ideology, no matter what it is, when it strokes their egos and makes them feel "superior" or "special". That isn't saying those people are not everywhere.. but Palo Alto has far beyond the normal percentage!
@@edwardwoodward9510 I have a 130 IQ, and I don't think you said anything of objective value. How much "individual drive" did you see in this film? Most philosophers were nut cases, and I bet you studied every one of them, from a nut case perspective, (your professor), who left out the best of them all, Ayn Rand. The philosopher of man's ability to reason on their own, (adding to Aristotle). Did you pick your philosophy from some "form" in the sky?
You can't use such a phrase since it would very quickly lose meaning. Understanding can't be a phrase.
Eric: How can you kill ten million people without somebody noticing?
Mr Ross: Well, allow me to demonstrate.
You didn't say Mr. Ross first, sit down, and try again!
Lmaooo
Gerald Spencer 😂
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Well shit
This is the most metal history lesson ever
For real
mhm
It's not metal, it's rheinmetall. Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
Most def
So metal I wish I got here yesterday ^^
The creepiest thing is that it actually happened...
The Random Vlogger The movie is embellished. Read the original story as told by the teacher himself.
+The Random Vlogger Well actually this is a dramatization, it wasn't nearly as bad as what's being shown. Now let's look who made this movie. administered by: Israeli Educational Television. Well what a surprise.
+The Random Vlogger Indeed. Just learned about that too when looking for this special on TH-cam.
+ObiKanaka Have you seen how like the wave fandoms are? Otaku (anime zealots( bronies (My Little Pony zealots) Slender Man fangirls. These groupies can get really militant and ugly, treating their favourite genre or characters as some kind of religion/cult/god.
+Matt Rath Where can i read that ?
Around 10-13 years ago I was shown this movie in school during a class and I still remember it clearly to this day. Been looking for it on the net for over a year :)
Same here! It was the early 00's in Social Psychology for me.
ALittleSnowFairySaga i saw it 3 days ago in class XD
Zemas, they showed this in my school in the early 80s.
+Carmine Gaming I saw it yesterday...
lol
And here we are globally living this together again.
"You traded your freedom for the luxury of feeling superior. You accepted the group’s will over your own convictions, no matter who you hurt."
Sounds alot like racism
@@mphoseekoei8348 Well considered the jews, the gypsies, (today the Romani people, not to be confused with the people from Romania, who generally hate their guts), and homosexual. These was thrown in concentration camps just because of who they was. There was also political prisoners. But if you was blond, tall, white and had blue eyes you was generally treated a lot better, even in those camps, than the other groups.
I was a senior at that school (Cubberley) when this went on. After watching the event from a distance, but in the middle of it, I can only say to everyone. Watch out who you follow...left, right, or center. And be willing to speak up the moment your gut tells you something is wrong. Remember, the operative word is "follow".
True
It's called Critical Thinking. Sadly lacking these days.
Covid had a similar effect on people psychologically, we are seeing a familiar pattern developing. Even in the simplest sense of that word "follow", social media has created a dazed and confused generation.
@@IamDoctorJekyll True very true I was involved in Middle and High Scholl education as a substitute teacher and was astonished as to how bad the educational system is
@@markross2124 hey there Mr. Ross, don't go getting any funny ideas now.
We need this movie now more than ever.
Somebody needs to remake that film.
It was remade a few years ago--it's a German version. Netflix has it, too. WIN!
I don't have Netflix in my country...
ליאור מסטורוב Search for "Die Welle" it's also on youtube
I was thinking that too...
Nooooooooooליאור מסטורוב non
I always felt so sorry for the outcast kid, Robert, who embraced The Wave so willingly, because it gave him a feeling that he belonged, and that his peers actually cared about him. To have all that sense of fulfilment torn away at the end, and to be left standing there, alone, the same friendless kid that he was before, was a brutal lesson to have to learn at such an early age. I hope he didn't turn into a psychopath. I was kind of an outcast kid myself, but fortunately, I saw that my peers were just a bunch of crazy monkeys, and I didn't care if they liked me or not. I was there to learn, not to socialize or make friends, or to even be liked.
+Kevin Garrett you should watch the German remake from 2008 then.
I didn't know they made one. Is it on You Tube? I'll look for it.
+Kevin Garrett It's called "Die Welle", The Wave. I don't think it's on YT, but here's a stream with English subs if you're interested: vodlocker.com/gspb64lczzf4 (it's actually a very good film)
Okay, thanks. I'll check it out and let you know what I think.
though one doesnt really become a psychopath.
History doesn't repeat itself, but damn it sure does rhyme.
+Laura S.
it doesn't? keep believing that it doesn't and it automatically proves you're wrong... The divisions in societies you see today are just as much the result of collectivism and ideologic dogma as it was 80 years ago. The only difference between now and then is that today people have it so much better that they can't be bothered or scared into following some strong leaders as to try and change their overall situation. The only thing that is required now for repetition is a decline in circumstances in which people live. The names and faces of things will be different, but the ugly beast that is human nature will roar and consume entire countries yet again. It's only a matter of when and where.
It does.
+Laura S. Are you sure about that?
+Laura S. let's see if trump gets elected ^^
+Laura S. The History does repeat. And nobody can stop it. I only say: Donald Trump. All countries in Europe, have turn at right.
Got some good posture tips from this.
;-)
Great movie - I first saw it when I was a teenager in the 80s. And its based on a true story. Amazing how Mr. Ross was able to recreate the Third Reich in his classroom to prove a point. People around the world in 2021 should pay close attention...
Meanwhile, Zionist in Israel...
@@markstewart4501 the white caucasian country called Israel
I read the book and saw the movie when I was a kid
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It's extremely unethical to use children for an experiment, regardless of the seeming saving grace of such an experiment. One never knows what permanent psychopathological scares may result from such experiments such as becoming overwhelmed with a conspiratorial mindset or a nostalgic sense of security that life in a cult offers. Teachers like these should be censured, not hailed.
STRENGTH THROUGH DISCIPLINE STRENGTH THROUGH COMMUNITY STRENGTH THROUGH ACTION
POWER AND CHAOS!
RIP Nipsey Hussle
You see? It's an easily repeatable motto too and easy to remember
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
@@falkofscrum that's what I was thinking when I saw this comment.
Who's here in 2021 thinking about Australia and other countries right now, I thank my teacher for showing us this video in high school
A teacher showed us this and I still love it because it teaches so much. 7 years later I'm here, watching it again.
Same except i couldnt remember what teacher or class or grade showed me
Just realized its now been 17 years for you!
I remember seeing this movie in 8th grade english. I hated the class at the time, but i am grateful for every book and film i was exposed to in this class, this being no exception. I hope future generations can see this film because even today there are college students and youth groups repeating the history of this film.
2022 and we are surrounded by people caught up in mass formation. If you don’t get in lockstep, you get called selfish and irresponsible. People either get mad at you or afraid. Whatever happened to live and let live… To each their own… Different strokes for different folks.
???
The popular thing is not always the right thing.
It's only getting worse, finding thinking people in this wasteland is difficult
I watched this in school and I’m just here for the comments
Same
Lmao I got to watch this today in my class
I literally last week got an assignment on this film at school and now rewatching it
@@alexbratkov4086 How literally interesting.
@@alexbratkov4086 same here
I watched this during history class. Boy did it get to me.
I remember when I was a kid watching this movie. He was trying to warn his students about what could happen in our country. And here we are in 2023.
"Why aren't you wearing your mask?"
Exactly we need to stop Biden in 2024
@@ell3655you saw what happened with the capitol and still say this shit ? Man, I thought watching this movie would have helped you understand what is going on with The Republican Party the past few years...How far are you willing to go before understanding what is wrong with your leader ? In fact, you behaved like germans, saying the capitol event was not a coup. You are brainwashed and don't even know it.
And about the masks : let's just say two things
- you misunderstand the point. The mask was not there to prevent your freedom, but guarantee all people freedom from the virus. What you are calling for is not freedom, but irresponsibility.
- Trump told people to drink javel...Masks don't kill people. This shit is able to kill people though.
@@ell3655 do you think Biden is like Hitler?
This is more relevant today than it was 40 years ago.
18:33 It's amazing how much more they like you when you make decisions for them.
30:06 So a few people are getting hurt along the way. It's for the good of the whole.
35:39 Can't any of you think for yourselves anymore?
40:50 The whole speech at the end.
To be fair, I think the point of this was to show that it's always been relevant. It's human nature.
Funny, the last year or so made me remember this movie I watched back in 2003 in hs world history
Masks prevent us who knows that COVID-19 exists from getting coronavirus, and vaccine is helping our immune system. Simple as that. If you don't want to wear mask, sure thing, we're not fascistic. But you potentially hurting a group people by not putting your mask on cuz "yOu DoN't WaNnA hAvE lEsS rIgHtS" or some shit, is the real fascistic action here, that you are taking cuz you would be responsible for deaths of other people.
By a vaccine, you still can get shopping if you are tested and have mask. And if you will get COVID-19, you got the vaccine - win, cuz your immune system is stronger.
Ergo you listening to your Trump fascistic propaganda, and going with a crow rather than listening to experts, is the real fascism here that you are part of.
In 1919- 1920, there was no internet, Ergo no hoaxes like masks don't work, or vaccines don't work, or the existence of COVID-19 is false, couldn't spread back than... This pandemic will soonly hit the third year. Guess what the Spanish flu pandemic took two years, and there's more people who died due to COVID-19 than who died due to Spanish flu. And why? Cuz everyone get vaccinated, was wearing a mask, and nobody complained about it!
Now some special people who thinks it's cool think that this pandemic is fake. Which is hoax, and even I can approve that. All we need is to work together for now.
In reality, the conservative parts of our society, as for a reason a Church is fascistic like that. When you won't obey the rules, even though they are old and don't make any sense you will burn in hell. Seems familiar...
Also back in Germany, the pressure to join the parti grew stronger and stronger. And the lower member number you had the higher your status. If you where late to join you could even be surpassed at work and housing. If you had friends high up, they could cheat you and get you a good early number. It was really, if you're not with us you are against us and an enemy in the end.
@@artistbervucci1716 I’m guessing English is not your first language and or not at all and you used Google translate to write down your incoherent and idiotic drivel. Telling government to F off and respect your rights is fascist , yeah okay. Hey buddy, 1984 is meant to be a fiction novel, not a how to book
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
Those who _refuse_ to learn from history are simply _doomed._
One of the thoughts I come away with it today in 2021 (which is honestly probably no different than at any other point in history, for what I'm about to say), Is that:
There would be SOME KIDS in that group who wouldn't be fully woken up with the revelation that it was all a demonstration/experiment. Some would keep The Wave going because they could *make themselves believe* they could make it a net-Good. That the source of the teachings wasn't a good thing, but the _teachings themselves_ made them stronger and better and more capable, and could _help others._ Kids who could make *justifications* to mend the cognitive dissonance.
(With someone like Robert, I can imagine him trying to hurt (or worse) Mr. Ross For either taking this away or making him believe it in the first place.)
Absolutely terrifying the lessons some people _refuse_ to learn.
@Colton Dupire what
Like the MAGA people, they are the ones that call this CRT, and taken away from the curriculum.
Meanwhile, in a small country called Israel the Legislative branch has removed the judicial branches power and position.
@@markstewart4501 No, they’re attempting to weaken the judiciary and strengthen the legislature. Tell me, how can a judiciary claim that something is unconstitutional when the nation doesn’t have a written constitution? And since when is reasonability a deciding factor on judging a case?
@@DavidbarZeus1 On the "constitution" part not being there, you do realize that they do have a set of laws and rights they go by currently? A judge DOES rule upon those laws and rights. A judicial system literally determines if something is FAIR under the rule of law...Based on the laws and rights in ISRAEL Judges DETERMINED that the legislative and executive branches were being UNFAIR. The legeslative branch is NOW trying say they ALSO want to be the judges? You see the problem with that, right? No separation of power means a move towards Authoritarianism.
This is a problem that arises with in 'checks and balances" to which, I may be misunderstanding you, you are seeking to say that doesn't matter? because there isn't an 'official constitution'? Rules don't matter when there is no constitution? Based on any rules one is able to create "reasonability". This is, again, what a judges job is.
TO go beyond your comment, one religion is seeking to justify their atrocities based on how they think that a particular god (Jewish) thinks. Both sides are obviously doing this, but to put one over the other is CREATING a 'state' of Theocratic Authoritarianism over the other group. As seen be the MASSIVE protest people ( by non Palestinians) are obviously against their government becoming MORE theocratic. Theses people, with a slight minority would like their government to not go down the trapping of particular versions of Interpretations of 'holy' meaning. Netenyahu is looking to give a particular theocratic bias with in Judaism POWER over other theocratic versions of the torah. i.e. the orthodox Jews DO NOT want to participate in conscripted military service. There are plenty of other reasons as well.
Legislative powers WRITE/create laws, the executive powers execute, and the judicial powers JUDGE if that laws and execution methods/interpretation of those laws and rights is...right or wrong? YEAH. DUH. Saying judges don't have the ability to JUDGE is rere tar did and to use Religious term, EVIL; also hypocritical and authoritarian.
A scary story, but one that shares a lesson that we all need to take to heart, especially now. No matter what the issue, we need to look at both sides, examine the evidence, and then make an informed judgment, instead of jumping on the bandwagon and agreeing with whoever is in charge.
+Wesley Molt "but of course, we don't have time for reasonable solutions" - George Carlin
The German film Die Welle is even more realistic
Excellent argument against both the feminists and the creationists.
And above all, we should never compromise our principles, values and morals just to belong to a collective
@Joe King If you’re talking about the Holocaust, sorry, but the deniers have no evidence on their side, and nothing can defeat the thousands of eyewitness testimony
They were even wearing blue shirts when the rally took place this was actually well done despite the quality being 12p
I remember watching this my senior year of high school in the 90s- it left a huge impact and I tell people about it.
Had to watch it in school. Day one. Got to the first part of the motto. Later that day, people were saying "Strength through discipline. Strength through community. Gotta let be America.
in school people kept on doing the wave arm thing it was funny as hell
+wtd by d tf jgdhj ghitcbj me and a couple of friends did this in class and a kid got pissed because he thought it was annoying
My teacher is made us watch it and everyone clowns on it now
+Bill Angell th-cam.com/video/ICng-KRxXJ8/w-d-xo.html
+Bill Angell I had to watch it in school 20 years ago, I've revisited it recently to compare "the wave" experiment to the social justice indoctrination that is going on in college. You should make the comparison before you end up on one of these campuses.
Robert gave me the creeps throughout the whole movie
+Ella Catherine Yes, and the music. *Shudder* When I watched it for the first time, I didn't know what was coming, but the class chanting against that tremulous eerie music background hinted that whatever was going to happen was something really creepy. And it was.
Yeaaa he really creeped me out cuz It’s so crazy how someone can be so blind and so obsessed with something so wrong...
Isabel He eerily reminds me of a special someone right now...
People who feel weaker than others, are the most likely to fall to the trap of power, to compensate for they weakness. And most of the times, they over-compensate. The teacher knew what he was doing by picking Robert in the first class as an example to others. This raised his self-esteem, made other people envy him, and him to feel proud, that he belongs, that they don't dislike him anymore. This way, he bought his devotion to the case later in the movie.
I thought Robert was going to shoot up the school
Our teacher did the posture thing and told us it was in order to get a good grade on our finals then showed us this and holy crap all of our minds were blown
Great movie and very interesting event that took place. Although, I do find one of its overall points to be specious. The original question was how people that were NOT associated with the Nazi movement, which were far more numerous, would allow such events to take place. His point at the finale was more how people that ARE involved will become ashamed/deny, etc after the fact.
As far as the question of why people that weren't Nazis could have allowed it, I'd take into account a few things, personally.
One: They did resist. Hitler had more attempts on this life than almost, or just the most of, any leader in recorded history. Over a thousand, if memory serves. Needless to say, that and countless other stories of Germans attempting to help Jewish people would constitute 'trying to do something'. They were risking their lives and it's wrong to act is if they did not exist. Or marginalize their sacrifice.
Two: Pluralistic Ignorance. Basically, the assumption that everyone IS of a way of mind, even if the majority are not. For instance, I assume everyone loves sports, if the reality was that they don't but also just assume I do, it will creates a groups that manifests behaviors AS IF they all really do like it.
Three: Fear. I'd be afraid of an SS officer showing up at my door, too. And anyone that acts as if the choice to REALISTICALLY risk your life for another is a SIMPLE choice is naive and fooling themselves. Pretty much all people, in most instances, would not commit a behavior that endangered their self-preservation. And that's not their fault. We're all working with the same 3.6 Billion years of evolution.
Four: There are gradients of belief. This is a little understood, to me, sociological fact. The south leading up to the 1960's and 70's was not an area where people broke into to binary groups -- the lynchers and 'all the other good people'. Most people, the far majority, would never participate in a violent act in most any circumstance. That does NOT mean that they do not hold parallel view points. Typically speaking groups, politically, have broken down into a few defining traits -- political revolution (voting, quietism) vs. armed revolution (war, terrorism, etc). People in the south might not have been lynchers or terrorists, but probably held similar beliefs but in a non-violent form. The same goes to Europe in the late 19th century to mid twentieth century. Most all countries in Europe or the first world had SEVERE problems of antisemitism for many reasons, Henry Ford himself in America was a distributor of the 'Prague Cemetery' papers. A fictitious propaganda piece that depicted 'Jewish Elders' drinking blood and killing babies. Typically virulent and lethal cultures, even though the minority within a majority, only propagate as a mutation of an already existing strain.
I hope someone finds this post interesting and possibly insightful.
I did and thank you very much .
Yes- very interesting! Thank you!
Yes, thanks!
He kinda did answer his first question though. They were trying to be speak out against it but they were viewed as traitors and outcasts.
To be fair, this movie is fairly accurately based off of a real social experiment by a teacher named Ron Jones. Here's an article he wrote that explains it much better: web.archive.org/web/20050224084643/www.vaniercollege.qc.ca/Auxiliary/Psychology/Frank/Thirdwave.html
I watched this when it first aired all those decades ago. To this day it terrifies me. I have never forgotten it.
This was a TV movie back during the fall semester of 1981. I saw this and it was prophetic. We are seeing the rise of American Fascism right before our eyes.
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This is SO RELEVANT NOW more than ever!!!
It has been relevant ever since we invented free enterprise and got ourselves out of poverty. As soon as we got the electrical grid set up and started making money as a citizenry, trading money instead of blood for maybe the first time in man's history, creating civility (we become friends when we do good business together) and prosperity, communism was created to destroy our freedom with free enterprise.
And McCarthy was right.
From the river to the sea! Is a perfect example of this
Alas, no one has learned a damn thing. We're seeing it all repeat once again after the terrorist attack at a music festival.
genocide happening all over again
emotional over how many ppl need to watch/rewatch this today
I remember watching this as a young teen when it first aired and understood the overall message. Watching as an adult, I'm now seeing how the teacher's posturing and mannerisms become eerily similar to Hitler's speaking posturing and style.
Looks like World Leader watched the movie and launched covid 😉
@@sihosh Masks prevent us who knows that COVID-19 exists from getting coronavirus, and vaccine is helping our immune system. Simple as that. If you don't want to wear mask, sure thing, we're not fascistic. But you potentially hurting a group people by not putting your mask on cuz "yOu DoN't WaNnA hAvE lEsS rIgHtS" or some shit, is the real fascistic action here, that you are taking cuz you would be responsible for deaths of other people.
By a vaccine, you still can get shopping if you are tested and have mask. And if you will get COVID-19, you got the vaccine - win, cuz your immune system is stronger.
Ergo you listening to your Trump fascistic propaganda, and going with a crow rather than listening to experts, is the real fascism here that you are part of.
In 1919- 1920, there was no internet, Ergo no hoaxes like masks don't work, or vaccines don't work, or the existence of COVID-19 is false, couldn't spread back than... This pandemic will soonly hit the third year. Guess what the Spanish flu pandemic took two years, and there's more people who died due to COVID-19 than who died due to Spanish flu. And why? Cuz everyone get vaccinated, was wearing a mask, and nobody complained about it!
Now some special people who thinks it's cool think that this pandemic is fake. Which is hoax, and even I can approve that. All we need is to work together for now.
In reality, the conservative parts of our society, as for a reason a Church is fascistic like that. When you won't obey the rules, even though they are old and don't make any sense you will burn in hell. Seems familiar...
Well yeah it was an experiment his goal was to slowly recreate nazi germany to prove how the Germans could just sit idly by
A lot of people need this movie in their lives rn.
I remember watching this in Middle School.... It was one of the most powerful and transformative experiences of my life
Same for me
Growing up in a cult like situation, knowing if u think for yourself, disagree or have an opinion different than the group, u get a social punishment, like being the scapegoat for everything, or everyone telling you how stupid you are, this hits different.
Try being a Palestinian in Gaza. It hits different for sure.
Yeah people in the comments are like, ohhh dont follow the popular thing all the time or you must think critically, these types of organizations use these punishments to reduce you to a mere shell of what you were
Or being called a plague rat
Just got shown this movie in history class today March 3 2023 🤟🤟
Biggest troll in history
This isnt trolling ... this is teaching!
CCFC you’re so ignorant and don’t want to face the truth. You’re a nasty 🤢 gullible follower.
@@Muck006 you need to learn to take a joke
@@jfjc5694 you need to learn to take a joke
march man Lol yeah
This teacher deserves an international award!
*Whispers*
Hail...Hydra
They firget though, the Hydra was defeated, though in manners far more gruesome than Disney would like to admit.
Lightbringer Cosplay OMG I can’t
Whispers Hail skroob (spaceballs)
Lightbringer Cosplay lol
😂😂😂😂
He went a tad bit extreme to answer one little question
Wake up and look around you ... Antifa, an assistant professor of ETHICS hitting someone with a different opinion with a bikelock, people with "wrongthink" opinions being punished on social media/youtube and generally called thought-terminating cliches ... and the courses in school & university designed to promote "social justice" ideology ... this is HAPPENING (minus the big reveal)!
I know right...
At least it was memorable
@@Muck006 - EXACTLY
No he didn't go far enough
I saw this as a teenager and I was so awestruck at the power of what he did I thought seriously about becoming a social studies teacher. 25 years later, we analyze this video in almost every class I teach because anyone (even adults) can be manipulated by the tactics he uses until they understand these concepts....group polarization, foot in the door, fundamental attribution error, conditioning..I could go on.
Do you realize that it was extremely unethical to have used the children for an experiment, regardless of the seeming saving grace of such an experiment. One never knows the permanent scares of such experiments such as becoming overwhelmed with a conspiratorial mindset or a nostalgic sense of security that life in a cult offers. Teachers like these should be censured, not hailed. By showing this movie you are normalizing such unethical modes of teaching.
@@lora8546 It's NOT normalizing... it highlights societies willingness to go along, to "fit in", all at the expense of individualism. You have seemed to have missed the overall point of the exercise. This is happening in American society today and is only getting worse.
@@hankthepatriot3733 There are other ways to make students aware of important ideas. Literature is a very powerful means with many novels, plays, and short stories on this topic. Lessons from history that lead to discussions are also important ways convey this message. But to use underage students who are still struggling with many issues is downright unethical. Many student have been left with traumatic scars with these live experiments in class.
I am not normalizaing unethical teaching movtives at all. In fact, I agree that aspects of this were unethical and that point is also discussed. Do you agree the holocaust occured or do you deny it? Do agree that people who deny the holocaust should be censured? @@lora8546
@@lora8546 Hi again Lora8546. I was hoping to clarify my two questions…. I show this video in order to try and stop anti-Semitic behavior and other hateful behavior in future generations. It’s one of the main reasons I wanted to become a teacher. I was horrified at the Holocaust footage I saw as a teenager and I wanted to try to do something that could help stop this kind of hate. When I was in High School, my teacher showed us Holocaust footage for nearly three days. I couldn’t understand how people could do this or deny that the Holocaust occurred. That is why in my U.S. History class, I talk about how Eisenhower wanted so much video evidence of the concentration camps on film… so future generations would not deny what happened. When I was a teenager, I felt a lot like Lori from this video. I could not understand how human beings could act like this. Perhaps it would make more sense to censure someone who denied the Holocaust than a teacher demonstrating how a horrible tragedy like this can possibly occur. That said, using the students was wrong and Ron Jones has acknowledged this. We talk about this in class as well. There’s a great video called “The Lesson,” in which Jones talks with his former students as adults decades later and addresses some of your valid concerns. Lastly, all races and people should be treated with dignity and respect. Best of luck to you.
I feel bad for Robert. I understand that feeling. being a social outcast. However, I see that he pretty much represents what Germany was like at the start of it all. They were at their lowest point, which made them open to the greatest of changes. Sadly, the change wasn't the good kind of change. Pretty much shows how we create our own monsters.
i know you understand that feeling, your profile picture is shadow the hedgehog
John Roig You know nothing
I know some things
Dude, I changed it. I was just lazy and left it there for years without care.
John Roig true true
This shows the technique still works.
It appears we are watching this now on a national scale.
Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity covers this topic. We're living it worldwide right now.
lowkey this just shows how much peer pressure can affect ppl.
History does repeat itself.
Kid says "I'd never become a Nazi"
Teacher says "hold my beer"
I remember watching this movie in school back in the 80s. Never forgot it.
A very good movie and yes there is a german version (also on TH-cam). It´s called "Die Welle" and was produced in 2008 with Jürgen Vogel. I can recommend this film aswell. Many greetings from Germany.
And Germany of all are repeating it again. Plandemic 😉
the fact that this really happened is sad but makes sence. Psychology dictates that people want to have their choices made for them but still seem in control and this is the best example if that. its sad but it makes sence.
We are herd animals
@@minavanderleest9493 No, we’re worse.
@@f-35alightningii79 Didn't say we were smart herd animals.
What is sad about it I don’t understand
I remember watching this in 6/7th grade in Sunday school, I didn't fully grasp it then, but now I do, and I think this movie has a great lesson. Thanks for this educational movie!
I’m impressed they showed it in your Sunday school. I saw it in 8th grade shortly after it came out. Never forgot it.
In light of current societal trends I highly recommend this. Watch it and open your eyes
This movie goes back before 1981...I saw it in high school and graduated in ‘79...it is so relevant for today.
*cough* corona virus *cough*
Oh Lord, if this film could only be shown in all the schools in all the world with everything that’s going on now with the rise of antisemitism and hatred of the Jews! It seems like it’s 1938 again all over the world, and I cried tears for these misled youth that are going alongnot even understanding what they’re doing!
an important lesson from The Wave is the destruction prejudice causes towards others who are not part of the group. David and Lori were the only people who passed this test and didn't fall into The Wave. Prejudice as a whole can (hopefully) end with a person's choice to move beyond what negativity is taught to them and find their own answers to live a better and more harmonious existence. Better these kids in the film learned from their minor mistakes young, then make worse mistakes years ahead.
So relevant today!
It was quite frightening, and a big wake-up call to examine your beliefs and why you even believe them, if they are not the substance of human compassion. I have always pondered how only one human being can create a movement, for better or worse and this film certainly sheds a light on that. This movie is also a reminder that any movement, no matter how essentially good, can create the pressure to conform against ones own individuality. One must constantly assess the reason for our actions, from the smallest to to the truly consequential. There is nothing more precious than our own unique individual thoughts, and the freedom to think and act upon them. Movements such as civil rights, anti-war and global warming have an endless capacity to create social good for many people and should be embraced, with the caution that no matter who or what we feel we belong to, we must never lose our individuality, our actual selves. This film, is above all, a highly valuable learning experience. I hope more people have the interest to receive its message. Perhaps, there should be a remake that would keep its original integrity and be updated for film quality and presentation. Michael Moore would be great as the next producer. Are you out there Michael? In the meantime,the more that view this film, the better.
Current year: 2022 ... country: Canada - but also USA, Australia, UK, France, Austria and how many others? ..... perfectly relevant to today.
All jokes aside, this movie has a really great lesson.
Don't be a sheep and don't fall for indoctrination.
I finished watching this in history today. Kids back then were so much better. They actually learned and did their work.
It's going on now. Just wake up!!!
Masks prevent us who knows that COVID-19 exists from getting coronavirus, and vaccine is helping our immune system. Simple as that. If you don't want to wear mask, sure thing, we're not fascistic. But you potentially hurting a group people by not putting your mask on cuz "yOu DoN't WaNnA hAvE lEsS rIgHtS" or some shit, is the real fascistic action here, that you are taking cuz you would be responsible for deaths of other people.
By a vaccine, you still can get shopping if you are tested and have mask. And if you will get COVID-19, you got the vaccine - win, cuz your immune system is stronger.
Ergo you listening to your Trump fascistic propaganda, and going with a crow rather than listening to experts, is the real fascism here that you are part of.
In 1919- 1920, there was no internet, Ergo no hoaxes like masks don't work, or vaccines don't work, or the existence of COVID-19 is false, couldn't spread back than... This pandemic will soonly hit the third year. Guess what the Spanish flu pandemic took two years, and there's more people who died due to COVID-19 than who died due to Spanish flu. And why? Cuz everyone get vaccinated, was wearing a mask, and nobody complained about it!
Now some special people who thinks it's cool think that this pandemic is fake. Which is hoax, and even I can approve that. All we need is to work together for now.
In reality, the conservative parts of our society, as for a reason a Church is fascistic like that. When you won't obey the rules, even though they are old and don't make any sense you will burn in hell. Seems familiar...
What if later on the students were like hes a fraud we'll start a real The wave.... Major backfire...
Im pretty sure the lesson this guy was trying to teach was pretty clear
This dude made a cult
@Magnificent Bastard he meant with his experiment
It's just a prank bro.
Taliaxbro What do i mean its just a prank, this actually happened and the teacher got fired for letting it get to out of hand.
Madison Van Handel No he didn’t get fired - ? He should have gotten a Nobel prize for showing how conformity takes root and spreads in to a hate movement. This was just before the Milgram experiment at Stanford. Which was also stopped for ethical reasons.
Taliaxbro Perfect illustration of how troll culture and meme warfare are part of the Wave. “This is like being born again.”
😂😂
acchaladka, I think you mean the Zimbardo Stanford Prison experiments. Milgram studied whether people would administer a fatal shock if someone who looked official 'took responsibility'.
Education Level: Over 9000
This is one of my favorite movies because of the moral it has.
I remember being taught this last year in history. I felt disappointed learning my teacher wouldn't be teaching it to his new class this year.
40:21...I remember watching this in 8th grade and this part is still incredible.
This is EXACTLY what is happening and has been happening to this nation.
The difference?
Easy.......Multiple waves different groups, fewer individual thinkers by percentage more than likely. This IS probably one of the most important videos on the INTERNET.
Which nation?
Even more so now than when you posted this comment 3 years ago
Yep I watched this in high school I feel like this is what we are experiencing right now.
It has been happening in Brazil too, perhaps magnified by Pagasus, AI and big $$.
Phillipines, Índia, Usa, Hungary, Pollan, Brazil, many European countries....
its so shocking about how they drastically changed.
Does anybody see a striking similarity to this in 2023?...with all these protests..
100% It's been going on way before. Same with BLM in 2020 with the removal of incredible works of art, re-writing of the racism, re-writing of history, And the woke LGBTQ+H Identity fraud before that where it's being forced as the norm to accept people with mental issues to seem normal. the 4th wave of Feminism also, 1st 2nd and arguably 3rd wave feminism was for equal rights etc. 4th is MORE rights than straight with male hate. and now we have the Qatari/Hamas paid Universities splurging their genocidal hate speech on our streets and anyone who speaks out is arrested. or called a racist islamophobe. But people want to fit in. and just like that, as you point out a mirror of Nazi Germany is created in the west. within the space of a few years germany was completely transformed. scary how fast it happens.
Thanks to my High School teachers showing me this film, I survived to 2022. Clearly, not everyone was listening.
Yea! I didn't wear a mask! Haha beat that, government! Yea!
@@kooltyme Your sarcastic responses are great! I love 'em!
Thanks for posting this. I homeschool and we're studying WWII this week, and I want my son to watch this. (My 7th grade teacher showed us this film back when I was in school, and yep, I still remember it.) Glad I could find it here on TH-cam.
It's weird just how easy it is to turn people around until they are unrecognizable... But I guess no one knows themselves as well as they think.
Colombia University 2024...
All colleges today.
Other way around
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So somehow, I got caught up with the book. THE WAVE, a lesson Mr. Ross and his Class would never forget. After reading it, it was quite interesting! So I had theories about Mr. Ross and his class, if Laurie (a character) ever thought the wave was bad at the start, how come she had to convince Mr. Ross into ending the Wave that time?
So I asked many people who also read the Wave. They thought that Laurie although had a huge group against her, even her best friend Amy! Her boyfriend too! Maybe Laurie had to have atleast someone else to go with her and defeat The Wave. Her boyfriend had finally realized the mistake he made by following the Wave and it’s hurtful things it’s done to a Jewish boy.
Another Theory I had was that If the students knew the meaning of the Wave, then why did they use it to work together? I wondered and wondered and looked through the book, as a reader myself, I’ve read 12-14 books that were made in the 80s or 90s! And I’m at a young age of 13 of reading them! And so, many stories had many meanings! So I wondered maybe they just didn’t notice the backstory of yet how the murder was. They probably didn’t understand it well that they let it go and went with the “STRENGTH THROUGH DISCIPLINE” or something like that.
Also if you wondering the books I’ve read, here’s the list from my favorites!
1. Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry
2. Sylvia & Aki
3. The Wave
4. Nothing but the Truth
5. The War that saved my life
6. Greek Myths
7. Norse Myths
8. The giver
9. Freedom’s children
10. I forgot the title but it had a character called Parvana
11. Miles to go for Freedom
12. Brown V. board
13. Animal Farm
I’m a good reader and it’s a hobby for me! Now thanks for reading my theories and about me!
And they look away again.
-Especially poignant now given the rising popularity of authoritarian political tendencies in the West.
-How unfortunately short too many of our memories are...
This book was incredible in school. We went along with the experiment as we read, until our teacher decided it was going too far.
Oh, come on. Kids in your school got brainwashed by this?
Proof that even 9+ years ago, kids were stupid.
It's extremely unethical to use children for an experiment, regardless of the seeming saving grace of such an experiment. One never knows the permanent scares of such experiments such as becoming overwhelmed with a conspiratorial mindset or a nostalgic sense of security that life in a cult offers. Teachers like these should be censured, not hailed.
@@dragonflarefrog1424 Not as far as the kids in the books did. But the book is well written and is accurate on how people fall for propaganda as long as they have a scapegoat to blame stuff on.
@@lora8546 Actually, I took a lot away from it. It was an opportunity for us to learn how to think critically and not fall in line so easily. It helped me realize how to keep my mind guarded from fear mongering propaganda aimed at othering groups of people. It also helped spark a love for history, social science, psychology, philosophy, even economics. It was a pivotal part of my life and made me want to be aware of how we work as humans. And I know I’m not the only one, a lot of my old classmates recount it years later now as a positive experience overall.
In 2022 we have ESG.
Just looking back at when the CoV started and how it is still unfolding... lots of parallel in people's behavior and this film.
Oh yeah
For sure
What happens today regarding the vaccinated towards those who are not.
Saw this in High School, back in the 80's. Hope they still show it, or at least some derivative version of it. Needed more than ever today.
They do! Saw it earlier this week in class
I'm watching it rn for an ap world assignment
Just watched it in the summer for summer school.
THWY JUST SHOWED ME THIS VIDEO TODAY
@@saraifxz383 I SAW IT TODAY TOO
Loved watching this when I was a freshman in high school.Thanks for uploading.
Thankyou. I've been looking for this movie for years
And here we are 2023, divided and headed in the wrong direction.
Shocking how it is relvent these days😢
Yes 💔
Very thought provoking school project. Eye opening.
Now in 2019 this movie needs to be played on all tv stations.
Zach Moore antifa is far more of a problem than conservatives who support trump. People equating trump to hitler are asanine.
@@vegangurly In a sense you're right about Trump - he is way too stupid and addled to be a real leader. I'm sure he would love to be one though . Have you noticed how he assumes poses like Mussolini did in his speeches to his deluded masses? I wonder if he knows that Mussolini wound up being shot and his body was hung upside down on a lamppost for the enraged populace to maul. That should be the fate of all dictators.
@Zach Moore wow this aged poorly - who is the one using the government to force people how to travel? how to go to school? how to raise their own children? You'll be obsessed with Trump forever and ignore the fascism within your own side. Guess we found our Robert - the easily led simpleton. MASK ON OR ELSE
Such a powerful documentary, and well presented here. I actually apply some of the teachings here to my own life (no, i'm not a Nazi lol) like strength through discipline, strength through community, strength through repetition, strength through actions. These are some basic rules i apply to my life and try to manage them in a daily basis, always remembering to embrace this kind of systematic way of living just to an extent. Like strength through community, just actively being more involved in other peoples lives like close friends and family, if even for a few minutes sharing a meme or whatever lol. Repetition, of good things, always meeting set targets - it's more of repetition repetition repetition which then develops a routine which in my opinion is absolutely necessary if you want a healthy mind, everyone needs a routine no matter what. Repetition of the goals you set helps build this and you do feel 'strength' like was taught but I think it's more just confidence people grow from realising *hey maybe i don't suck so bad, I feel great!*
Strength through actions also translates into goals but more so for me, I make bold actions that I know are a little risky but always worth the reward and if not achieved, the attempt itself is enough and rewarding in a way. Knowing there is strength through action helps me stay motivated to go to the gym or finish a book or write, whatever, it's simply just the action itself of being an active person *trying* to achieve some sort of goal, is very rewarding, confidence boosting.
My teacher showed this too me last month. Shows how easy people could be mislead and how people are can be easily brainwashed.
True. The Wave is now The Pandemic. Anyone who does not promote the pandemic is seen as the enemy.
Yes. You wave the Ukraine flag...
I came here for comment like this. Imagine falling for mainstream narratives!...
@@patrickpellerin3384 this guy's pretty funny isn't he?
@@christianbennett5542 yeah, people can be mislead so easily! We even see it today
Excellent! thanks for sharing!
I remember watching this when I was in elementary school, over 30 years ago. It stuck with me.
What is happening in the last two months on campuses in the USA is this movie "The Wave" in reality
100% the woke chanting for genocide on our streets. It's disgusting.
Actually, those are the results shown from our collectivist education that started when the state organized our education. For generations, it just got incrementally worse to the point you see now. The people who can see it the best, are not the people born yesterday, because yesterday is expunged history.
Exactly :(
Are you referring to the protests against repressing a group of people and funding their extermination?
Surely if we step back and look at the whole picture the issues stem from the structure of politics, lobbyists the economy and this turns the grind of the war machine.
Personally i think the campuses represent Laurie and her boyfriend.
A global society waking up to what has been allowed to continue and progress to the scenes we witness that are shared by individual citizen journalists.