Took longer than expected to make this episode. So for those of you who were patiently waiting for an episode, from the bottom of my heart, thank you! 🙆🏻♂️✨
Disturbing how easy we slide into an apathic or aggressive response to one another suffering. Good video, great subject matter and luck to you on this website.
Interesante video, creo que hasta en historias de videojuegos han puesto eso de otra perspectiva más fácil de entender pero me temo que termina callendo en el problema de olvidar los mismos principios del renacimiento fallido de oxidente, hasta migala lo tuvo que corregir, falta ver como será el segundo renacimiento de la humanidad no de occidente eurocentralista opinión personal.
a teacher creates new ideology: other teachers *calm* the same teacher creates a new salute: other teachers *calm* the ideology grows fast: other teachers *calm* parents don't want their child to go to school because the ideology: other teachers *calm* absences increase: other teachers *calm* the students assign themselves as guards: other teachers *calm* the members of the ideology exile people to the library: other teachers *calm* 3 students get beaten due to ideology: other teachers *calm* the teacher dissolves ideology: other teachers *calm*
Prity much. Most schools are actually really incompetent at basic things. A while back a tone of kids ended up drinking floor cleaner instead of mike because: the milk and floor cleaner were delivered in almost identical bags, they were both stored in the same place, no one thought to check the labels when they were filling up the machines, and because when several students came to the teachers saying that the milk was 'burny', the only thing that happened was that two teachers did a 'sniff test' of the odourless cleaner. Lots of kids wound up in hospital. The reality is that lots of teachers aren't very well trained or coordinated. Especially in the us were their basically paid minimum wage.
reminds me of this quote i can't find, but it goes something like this: "You don't have to be evil to do evil things. You just have to let evilness happen"
@@PsiJuicu no shit Sherlock, this man explained the most basic idea ever to you and you think that justifies shit? Don’t insult your intelligence unless you actually believe the Nazis knew they were evil and relished in it, in which case it isn’t merely an insult it’s the honest truth of your intelligence
A thing that EVERYBODY should commit to mind and memory: FREEDOM IS NOT NEGOTIABLE! Never, ever give up Freedom for security or some other perceived or paraded bullshit.
Because people are evil. Why do we get persuaded by authority? Because they offer something we want or want to hear. People aren't as dumb as they think they are, but they choose to close their ears to certain things. They say, let me just get through this hurdle, if I can get through this period of hardship then I will do something good. The time then never comes
While you're reasoning is correct, I do not agree with the conclusion. Most people are born with sympathy that can be overridden by our inherent desire to fit in. That does not mean we are evil, in fact, I'd say it makes us inherently good. But, that goodness is fragile. And, it goes back to the age old adage "Hell is paved with good intentions". Evil regimes such as that of the Nazis were built upon the fundamentally good goal of creating utopia. That and dehumanization is how they could justify their actions. They did believe what they were doing is right. So I would say that stupidity is a major part of that.@@yeshuaislord6880
@@BygoneTjust because one experiment tested something, doesn't mean one experiment can't test the same thing. We are easily persuaded not only by authority, but by a sense of tribalism. Humans aren't intrinsically evil, no matter how much doomer ideologies want to tell you that. What this experiment shows that, humans are willing to protect those they feel tribalistically inclined towards and that we go to great lengths to protect them, even if it means being blinded to the morality of their actions. The people who tend to rebel, are those who view the prescribed encompassing dogma, and resist against it for whatever reason, and once again they may be blinded to morals to see that happen.
Anyone that has been bullied in school will not have a hard time understanding that people will do bad things if they can get away with it. People will readily exclude others so they can feel special.
Human nature to form groups, usually exclusive groups. It gives a sense of community AND uniqueness when usually those two things contradict. This makes group forming particularly powerful.
I hate Democracy. I believe in City State Rule through Oligarchs. So I believe in Russia after the fall of the Romanov Family. I actually met their daughter. I got rid of their curse.
"We're born evil." Experiment: *Shows normal people becoming evil over time after careful manipulation of concepts that happen to be good for survival.*
“villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.” The issue is not about being born bad, it is rather about being convinced the bad is good.
very easy to say that nazi germany and all of its citizens was the most evil thing in the world, not so easy to take some time to understand the reasons they had the beliefs they had, normies will always be normies, the truth isnt for everyone
What people fail to realize with this, is that ‘being convinced’ in this sense does not necessarily mean by other people. Any experiences in life can convince someone about what is right, even small ones. Let’s take falling down for example. After falling down and getting some bruises, your brain leaves with the message that trying not to fall down is (part of) the *correct* way to live. With a few exceptions, your brain will then try to avoid actions that will result in you falling down. Now take this, but on a larger scale, and someone can start believing that taking ‘bad’ actions, or ones that inherently harm others is the *correct* way to live.
Giving a purpose to a person is very powerful. A lot of us live the day by day without direction, but at the moment we get a purpose we exceed the expectations of our capabilities. No matter what the purpose is, we all just want too live our lives feeling we are fighting for something of value. This is ingrained in human nature.
Beautifully put, this can even be attributed to almost all successful people. Purpose is the most realistic representation of magic as the drive, concentration, flow, consistency, and belief can shatter almost any barrier.
There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose, for as we both know, without purpose we would not exist. It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us; it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us. FYI Embracing your lack of purpose makes you realise you are in fact free, you can make your own choices to shape your future. Don't be a smith, be a neo. Be free
But literally everyone has got their purpose, there is noone on earth who's just living just day to day. We are all trying to make our huge dreams a reality.
@@AutoRautonot i this reality. If you really ask people honestly wou will see how few actually have a pasion a dream a goal. At most very fe have formulated a dream and do nothing to accomplish it. And even less than that havve a passion and are actively trying to make it a reality.
As much as I like this video, I don't think that the experiment proved that humans are inherently evil. It did however prove that we are susceptible to strong authority. Especially when sed authority makes us feel strong, starts out small, gives solid incentives, and comes from someone who already has some authority and is well liked.
I agree, i feel like this proved people are susceptible to manipulation and positive reinforcement. Which is why its important to teach people to look out for this
@@diaatlus of course teens would do anything for an A, I mean I'm surprised no one even told their parents on the 1st day that they were gonna get and F if they didn't obey their teacher
I agree, this is on a level above ‘video games cause violence’. It’s more like ‘LARPing creates murderers”. They were quite literally playing a game, one which many would have liked to play in school, possibly to a lesser extent.
"But goodness alone is never enough. A hard, cold wisdom is required for goodness to accomplish good. Goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil." -Robert A. Heinlein, _Stranger In A Strange Land_
"Man is what he is, a wild animal with the will to survive, and (so far) the ability, against all competition. Unless one accepts that, anything one says about morals, war, politics-you name it-is nonsense. Correct morals arise from knowing what man is-not what do-gooders and well-meaning old Aunt Nellies would like him to be." -Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
@@youtubestudiosucks978 It would have to threaten my life to control me, Even then it would only work for so long. Threatening things i love would also only work for so long, Even if thats selfish of me its how i am. Only i decide what i do. I would say im pretty smart about it though, I can make you think you control me until magically im the one on top and you are bowing to me. Thats only on a personal note though. On a scale like covid-19 where you cant do anything without a vaccine it becomes a little more tricky but still doable but something like that is probably the only way to truly control every type of person, IF there wasn't a threat of civil war. Luckily, That threat always exists. As this video shows, Theres alot of ways to start uprisings, and they happen pretty quickly.
I'm from Germany and we were shown a movie about this experiment in almost every year of high school. It's a great one named "Die Welle". Gives me chills every time.
I read the original essay, his words, his fright, his regret. How he felt like a dictator, how when he nearly wasn't careful enough, he nearly become that dictator. It feels like a fictional horror story, a story of trauma you'd tell at a campfire with a roasted marsh mellow on your stick. Yet this was real... this happened... and to me? This is truly unnerving
if he gave it a month he wouldnt be able to get himself to stop it and even if he himself were able to make himself stop he wouldnt be able to stop the students
My experience as a lawyer is that 99% of people don't go out in the world thinking, "I'm going to do some evil today." What happens instead is that people fail to empathize and fall prey to their natural bias in favor of themselves over others and their group over other groups. This gets magnified when people perceive they are fighting over scarce resources or are under a great deal of stress, or are seeking to avoid punishment. And people rationalize their choices before or after the fact (or both) so they can silence their consciences and loudly declare that they wholeheartedly believe they were doing the right thing all along and that they never stopped being the kind and conscientious people they believe themselves to be. So most of the time it's not antipathy but laziness, ignorance, fear, and self-delusion. One mantra I give my clients all the time is, "before you can prove malice, you have to rule out incompetence."
Adharma is the source of all problems in this world. Adharma is our only enemy, Adharma is not any particular person, religion, or race. It lies within ourselves.* *Dharma* is a notion that shows us the path, it is the concept that says to do what is required of you i.e, do the rightmost thing that needs to be done under any circumstances. Do it unattached to the world and everything in it, be it your parents, your emotions, your desires or anything else. It is dharma, a concept, a guiding principle, a conceptualized entity that commands to do what is due to the world, the things that should be done, those things that should be implemented. Dharma is doing what is required by you to do. . *By abiding Dharma you always carry out the rightmost action.* Adharma is simply not doing the this
Self preservation is biologically hardwired into our brain. It's no different to how animals behave but for some reason we think we must be selfless because it's the 'right' thing to do.
@gmann8659 Also, humans following their base instincts in our modern world tend to cause abject misery to themselves and everyone around them. I've seen way too many men using violence to rule their households and/or abandoning children, and way too many women attempt to destroy father-child relationships in order to bond kids to their new paramour, and stepmothers either neglecting or trying to steal kids from mothers to believe any differently. (To be clear both sexes engage in all of the behaviors above, it's just way more common in my experience to see the kinds of cases I outlined).
The key is to tell them upfront that "its just an experiment", but also that one of their grades depends upon participation. Of course, the one conducting needs to have some authority first.
Just imagine yourself in that situation, the classmates you didn't like swear to be your comrades y'all have special salutes, banners and everything, won't you be excited too?
@@PsiJuicu I can't say for sure. On one side, I was pretty conservative because of my family, so maybe I would have fallen for it. On the other hand, I'm a recluse and I hated seeing people caught up in groupthink. Our English teacher also gave us a good section devoted to Holocaust literature, so I'd hope that I was wise to fascist bullshit. All in all, this type of thing (peer pressure/tribalist/bandwagon bullshit) pissed me off then and now, so probably not.
@@PsiJuicu Even more exciting would be creating underground opposition. Make it look like communist and spread your own propaganda. I would be only afraid of "civil war" when it escalates.
This why I am happy my parents taught me to question everything I thought was abnormal. I've never been in an experiment like this but part of my mind would be wondering "Why are we doing this?" Yes I could do something about it but it's just me.
"I've never been in an experiment like this" Unless you're from Sweden are you sure? People lost jobs, were arrested, and attacked over the past 2 yrs if they didn't comply with authority regarding personal medical decisions. You were only allowed to go places if you had a card. "For the better good" was the reason for the past 2 yrs even though it didn't prevent anything. "I am happy my parents taught me to question everything I thought was abnormal." How have the past 2 yrs been normal? When else in history have healthy people been forced (no coercion) to isolate themselves and change their behaviors to prevent people with illnesses from getting sick? How do you feel about climate change? If you believe it's real then how do you explain all the times over the past 50 yrs when people predicted that Florida would be underwater by now, that we would be in an ice age, etc. You can change your behavior because you want to but are you sure that your behaviors are actually helping (if you need to cut trees down to build solar farms how is that good for the environment? Solar will reduce co2 more than trees but you lose biodiversity and other stuff that isn't easy to fix. Banning plastic bags didn't change anything because sales of plastic bags increased (people still needed something to put garbage in and to pick up dog poop and before the bans many people reused grocery bags. The ironic thing is that people had explained that reusable bags were havens for germs years before 2020 but it took a social contagion to reverse the ban on plastic bags (which is it, are plastic bags bad for the environment or not) because people didn't trust that people would wash their reusable bags. What will make 2023 onward different that it will suddenly be safe to touch stuff other people have handled. People's behavior won't change and there will always be disease and plastic will still be plastic-reusable bags are also plastic unless they're cotton but "According to a UK government report, to be more eco-friendly than a plastic bag, a cotton bag would have to be used 173 times." Will cotton bags last 173 uses? The heavy duty plastic bags are made from recycled plastic but "Every time plastic is recycled, the polymer chain grows shorter, SO ITS QUALITY DECREASES. The same piece of plastic can only be recycled about 2-3 times before its quality decreases to the point where it can no longer be used." Neither is a good option. One uses more resources but is biodegradable but the other creates less co2 but always remains plastic). You would be surprised how often people comply despite believing they wouldn't. Why do you only question what you think is abnormal? Why not question everything (what you think is normal could be abnormal for everyone else)?
@@namename9998 JFC. The answer is none. Exactly zero times in the past 50 years has there been a prediction in the scientific literature that Florida would be underwater or that we were going into an ice age. There have been models of X sea level rise by Y year under Z conditions. A small minority of papers published before the advent of useful computing power and satellite data predicted cooling.
Sorry, but I find it hilarious that you could watch a whole video about the fact that regular people are easily swept up by movements like this without realizing what's going on and then go to the comments and boast about how you'd be different. You might be, sure, but chances are you're already part of something without really questioning it. Like that one Garfield meme says: "You're not immune to propaganda" Don't believe you're better than others because that exact mindset leads to the very complacency you believe yourself to be immune to
Its not about good or bad, but value. Its also good if you born good, but if you were born evil and overcame evil nature it is still good but the value of goodness is greater in second case.
@@silverhawkscape2677 that’s the thing nobody is born good we All are Evil sinners but is our choice what defines us between good & bad so we humans have half good & half bad we are Antihero’s that’s human nature the bible tells us that before in genesis that humans used to have a mind like babies our first parents were not antihero’s they were Good until our first fathers & mothers were deceived by the devil & ate the forbidden fruit from the tree of intelligence the devil offered to us to be like God but for a price Eve & Adam ate the apple & later learn what is right & wrong & humans naturally became sinners & evil so they couldn’t stay in the garden of eden of eternal life that’s why humans now in days feed on chaos & we love it & the thing is we all deserve to die but if it wasn’t for Jesus who gave his life on the cross we wouldn’t be saved so we’re all evil & to be judged
I read a book about this and over the time I was weirdly convinced of his idea and felt the sense of community alongside with the students. I was even mad at the few students who stood up against the Third Wave. Imagine how shocked I was at the end and more shocked when I reflected on what I just believed was right.
People are born with values to survive. Goodness and evil is usually taught, with us latching on to these values because those who don't will find themselves left behind
yes I feel like humans at first are neither good nor evil and born good and evil at the same time its kinda paradoxical but they gain knowledge over time we are capable of both and it depends on what side we pick and what we learn in life and how we are taught to either bring out or good sides and bad sides because humans naturally have both sides in them but it depends on which side will they develop the most
@@kuronblue You need just to convince that one idea will benefit the person, thats all, he won't care is it bad to other people or not. People are social creatures. There are authorities, then there are those who follow authorities and those who follow power and crowd since crowd is power. Cowardice is the reason those people follow either authority, power or crowd, since they feel themselves weak if they are alone and are afraid to be left behind in society. I would better have near me brave guy with lower IQ than a coward with high IQ because weak people are tools that are used by crazy authorities.
Goodness and evil don't exist, what's good for one person is evil for another. It also depends on perspective and how far sighted you are. If you have a pregnant mother who's husband left, is it good to pay her? Well, seems it is, but then you get to the position of today with insane amounts of people growing up fatherless and really dysfunctional because women feel justified and comfortable to sleep and put less thought into themselves and choosing partners, men also get to sleep around and think nothing of it, until the alimony hits and then they just get more fucked too. Is it good to safeguard a child so they never get injured? On paper, yes, in practice, if they don't get roughhousing, they won't understand their strength and limits, pain and risks. Etc, etc, etc. The real 'solution' is that there's NO solution, every situation is individual, every person is individual, and well, WE are also luckily individuals with brains, which, if we DON'T train to shut down, we can use to solve almost every problem in society, and every challenging situation that arises. But instead we opt out, preferring the easy route of creating a false god called the government, who we pretend can know all our needs and tend to us (which it can't), surrender all authority and thought to it, and as a result become unable to solve our problems, and even let such central authorities dictate us idiotic ideas and drag us into insane conflicts for ITS gains and/or beliefs! The only evil that exists is giving up individuality, the rest of what follows is just the inevitable consequences of locking into such a small, ever shrinking and directable box/tunnel.
@@mkzherono, the solution is God. Only he has the authority to say what is good and what is evil. These "moral relativism" people only exist to give people a headache. We know what is good and just and I wish we acted on it.
Nature, a thing we glorify yet refuse to accept in it's full spectrum. To nature, there is no good or evil. If you survive and pass your genes on, you're succesful - no matter if you happened to have a positive, social life or found yourself stealing, killing and taking advantage. We see such as bad, while nature probably rolls metaphoric eyes and waits to see what happens.
@bastiat4855 Yes I'm well aware of the nature of everything in your comment. "Evil" for our purposes in this discussion is simply that which describes this kind of awful behavior the professor proved those students were susceptible to. The fact that people are "morally gray" as you said is precisely the issue. To put it simply - "Evil is morally grey. It is each of us, capable of being released upon each other, and we will find ways to justify it such that we fail to notice its presence".
My highschool also did a similar experiment but instead of one class it was a competition by two of our social studies teachers and the class groups they personally taught. We had almost all the things 3rd wave experiment have, a mantra/set of rules, unique hand gestures, only thing missing was hierarchal positions. The objective was to have students to place their respective teacher's symbol in as many places as possible and either side were allowed to tear down the opposing symbol, basically it was like a territory war. Funny thing is that despite having no rewards for participating almost every student in those classes were willing to put and tear down symbols, and if someone gets caught red handed by either teacher, a simple glare would make them try to undo their actions.
Theres a german movie that reenacts this experiment, called "the wave", which many of us watched back in school. Its a really good example that shows that what happened here in germany before and during the second world war is not bound to be a unique incident if we are not careful. Unfortunately i think the movie is only available in german language, but to anyone who hasnt seen it yet i do highly recommend checking it out.
This made me think of the line, “Ordinary people are capable of Extraordinary things. Those could be good or bad. It’s up to the individual to decide.” It’s chilling to think about the horrific things everyone is capable of.
I'm 100% the moral principle that human race has made is not real at all, it's an abstract idea. The other animal races kills the others to thrive with no feeling of guilty. Don't pretend to be like those paragons of morale. 👌
that line suggests people decide wheter to be good or bad, as in, that implies people would know if they're being bad? wich is wrong? i mean, at least most of the time. If someone does something it is because : 1 - They think it is good , they agree with it. It is the good thing to do. 2 - They think it is the best option, but they do not agree with it. It is the only thing to do. 3 - They think it is inconsequent, that it does not trully mater. Who cares? Most of the times anyone does anything, its either 1 or 3, and rarely is it 2. So most of the time, people operate under the assumption what they do is either (1)GOOD, or (3)NEUTRAL, inconsequent. Only under 2 is it even remotely possible for someone to knowingly commit what they think is evil, and only under the assumption that despite it being bad, it is the LEAST bad, and therefore, even 2 is doing the most good possible. People do not decide wheter or not to be good, they... just.. decide.
@@LilXancheX That is a terrible way to view things, and that line fits very nicely in the beliefs of many xenophobic and racist people , mate. The concept a person can be born BETTER than another person implies one can be born WORST, and the NOTION that someones' birth defines them as WORST than another is an ideology-red flag for me.
@@shadowguarder2857 I'm better than the guy born without the chance to comprehend the world around him. Better than the ones that were given everything and are now homeless. Better than the ones whom purposefully beat themselves down.
The only real positive mote I can give this video is that it made me aware of the experiment, so i could go seek out better sources on it that weren't hyper dramatized with with a title and thumbnail so out of pocket that it makes me wonder if the video creator didnt miss the point of the experiment a bit.
We are born neutral. We learn from experience, it’s outside factors that influence us. Not our species as a whole and this experiment just proves this. Evil people make evil. The only time someone is “born evil” is when they physically can’t empathize and that’s usually caused by a disorder.
No, we're born animals. We ascribe the term "evil" to many aspects of natural animal behavior such as r@pe, killing, attacking others, stealing others' resources, abandoning one's mate and offspring, etc. So because we are born animals, we are therefore born evil. Furthermore, humans must be taught to not engage in these behaviors. If that doesn't happen, the human will default to their natural animal state.
I have problems empathizing(for the opposite reason, i empatizhe too much so as a defense mechanism i do not empatizhe with people as it would be too much) And let me tell you, that doesn't lead me to evil, if anything it keeps me from doing evil, as it allows me to analyze situations with a clear mind, if your empathy forces you to do good, you ain't good, you are just being self serving, good comes from understanding that we live in groups and that it is right to do good as it improves the QOL overall. Goodnes is derived from logic and to see yourself not as an individual but as a part of humanity. Indivualism is the root of all evil and any collectivism that doesn't understand all of humanity as the group is just closet individualism.
@@diablo.the.cheater I understand, but what I meant was if someone can hurt you and won’t feel any remorse because of a mental block that’s the stereotypical “evil” behavior they were trying to paint humans as having. There are other factors to being good, I’m not saying empathy is the only factor. I don’t really agree with the self serving statement tho. I have ADHD and one of the side affects is me being hyper empathetic. I can’t really control what I’m empathetic towards it’s just a feeling. I just want people to be happy, not for my own feelings but for theirs. I understand why you might think it’s self serving but it’s not like helping people is JUST helping yourself, and often times the things i empathize with are things I can’t control so I just feel bad and nothing else. Empathy is the last thing from being just self serving.
When we studied nazi germany in class, we also read "the wave"(a book based on this case) in another class. Really helped to understand how easy it is to slip into such behaviour and how to spot it
Ironically, the results undermined Ron Jones's position as a teacher. Liberals believe teachers should be influential, uniquely praised and even trusted above the parents in many cases! In the past, including in Germany, teachers were more like tutors who taught you facts in a group setting. They were given respect, but not like in a liberal democracy. And the fact is, Ron Jones taught these kids good things. Discipline, honor, duty. All these things have been universally recognized as positives goods since time immemorial. This isn't what made fascism unique, lol. Hell even communists of the 20's agreed with fascism on that.
There is also a film adaptation of this experiment, filmed by none others than Germans. It's called Die Welle (or The Wave), and it's a perfect recreation of the experiment, with a little twist at the end. If you've found this video fascinating, I highly recommend you to watch the movie.
@@c.s.christopher5801It was a show of how people could easily dehumanize others and become sadistic rather than this experiment, which shows how more nuanced aspects of fascism can come about through social engineering. So I don't think it fully applies here.
We are born gullible and manipulatable, not evil. It is up to those who raise us to give us strong wills, values, and morals. And it is up to us to do the same for the ones we raise
Yeah, even the bible tells us about human nature; it's inherently evil due to sin. The hubris of all the people commenting the opposite when in reality humans judge by skin color, facial attractiveness, celebrate death of others, laugh at death of others, steal, cheat on spouses and so much countless things that they themselves do everyday but choose to overlook.
Nobody told these kids to betray eachother, beat eachother up and start bullying and threatening eachother. It was their evil nature being offered space to roam freely, they initiated their evil deeds themselves.
@@JodBless that was 3 people, not all of them, and they were rumours. Likewise the "betrayal" was to prevent a revolution from ending the experiment, which you may have viewed as a good thing, but this was also balanced against fear of being "exiled" in the students. And throughout all of it they were only being exiled to the library, nothing really evil. What the experiment demonstrates is that authority figures and social pressure can lead to actions that are generally bad, and what history demonstrates is that this can be used to commit terrible crimes. But these will not occur unless those that want them take control directly or in other ways. Most people are not exceptionally good or evil, in general they are mildly bad, but not evil. It's only when evil people take control of these systems and use them for their own ends, that the average person will react with apathy and let this occur. Paper does not set itself on fire, but it still burns
Humans aren't born evil or good, because whole concept of evil and good is created by humans. We aren't born with inherent knowledge what is good and what is bad.
Bad teacher. Life is my teacher. People are neither bad nor good, but others interfere and mold people however people choose what to believe through experience and obsevation
@@brialapoint2608 People aren't born neutral, well at least not exactly. The choice you're going to make in your life and the fact that you're going to be morally good, bad or neutral are almost entirely determined at your birth by your genetics. The only thing that can alter it, is your environnement (people, context etc) and it's only in a bad way (turning "good" in "bad")
@@Cesare-Borgia technically people are born good. Because as a baby you're just food for others and can't fend for yourself. You are born as a defenseless, good snack 😂
@@Cesare-BorgiaThat’s simply not true. You are not “predestined” to end up a certain way. It’s nature and nurture, and saying that nurture can only have a negative impact is completely asinine
I love how people keep coming up with polar opposite ideals one after another, nearly perfectly avoiding the obvious all the time. It is not that we were born good, or bad. We are born with potential for both, and actually it is the best if we can expand into both. Know what good and what extent of bad we can do - it makes strong people.
The scary thing about evil acts is those who commit them don't think of themselves as the bad guys, if they think something is good for the cause they stand for they'll do it regardless if people get killed or injured. Consider the notion of becoming evil to prevent another form of evil that in retrospect is no different from the other.
@@AndersonMallony-EricCF morality really is subjective though. Sure, certain thing humans can agree upon as being wrong but that doesn’t make it subjective. Killing is a good example. Is it wrong to kill someone? Well, that depends, are we talking about murder or self defence? Already it is not absolute. If you have a goal of improving well being you can make a decision which objectively works towards or against said goal, but the goal itself is subjective.
I wouldn't say "evil", just "wild", "beastly untamed" or "savage", since evil is a concept that depends on a point of view and it changes depending on things like culture, morals, religion, etc. But only education and introspection can turn us into "good", and there's only one kind of "good".
this is not evil. It points to our yearning for unity and ability to achieve a goal bigger than ourselves. I think it’s incredible. it can be applied in evil ways perhaps, but all things turn out good in the end. Time is the great revealer.
In the Bible God calls it evil to b/c the only main unity we're suppose to be seeking is unity with him so we wouldn't be fooled and do something naturally evil by trying to be part of the group.
There is a German movie about it : Die Welle ("the wave" in German). I remember watching it in my German language class and it really struck me. I recommend watching it
That why hindu philosophy,sages and seer are there to keep us seperate from social groups because living in different kind of separate groups we humans became divided and it's not hard to spread hate by one man in a divided world to different communities, culture,race and religion.
I did something like this in 3rd grade. Called each other the knights. I was the white knight and my friend was the black knight. We grew substantially in 3 weeks till we recruited every student at recess ( close to 100 students ). Then we organized a rebellion and stormed the 3 teachers watching us and ultimately overpowered them. Then we charged the gates and got into the centers of the school. We saw the front gate of the school was open and charged it. 100 kids running like a pack of hungry wolves. I heard grunting and screaming in the back. I looked back and it was the janitor blasting through us like a quarterback trying to beat us to the gate. He beat us to the gate and locked it from the outside. Every teacher got involved at that point and we were all sent home to our parents 2 hours later after a talk from the principal. 😂 It’s so easy to form a group like this as long as there’s no immediate discipline. I remember when we were charging in unison it was the best feeling in the world. Tribal and free.
@@Ocoro_ actually happened tbh lol. Started off with us playing with sticks, moved to leveling up, then to dnd storyline( started recruiting people at that point because people got interested ) , then we go organized, and so forth.
We are born good, very few have ever been born “bad”. Certain things that affect us when we’re young can cause us to be evil. We’re all “good”, but at the same time nobody is good for we are not perfect. But we are not evil by nature.
Mate we are evil by nature, the only reason why we're not killing eachother for no reason rn is because of moral codes and the fact that there is consequences. Just because you are nice doesn't mean you can't commit atrocities.
@@jovanJojo797 It's literally what I said, and also killing isn't the only thing that defines evil. Kids are evil as hell if you don't know, for example bullying, discriminating, and all that shit we've all probably done that in our lives.
It doesn't concludes that humans are evil, it just indicates the desire within every human to feel special/superior and hold power even if it is an illusion. For this,people get ready to compromise with their past believes and morality too.
I'm thankful that one of my teachers showed us the movie version of this experiment in class. It prepped me to spot authoritarianism later in life, no matter how it cloaked itself in compassion or tolerance. I knew too well the stench of people who aren't acting out of love, but an addiction to bullying others while feeling like righteous angels.
@@TheEniqma informative video, misleading title, also misleading to suggest facism is always evil. Oswald Mosley was very against war and Facist Spain also didn't join any wars. It's kinda like saying Democracy is evil because America invaded the middle east for oil. It's not just about the government, but the people in charge of it. There are also many democracies that are incredibly xenophobic, Japan being a prime example. Rwanda had its genocide due to the tyranny of the majority in a democracy...
I was brought up in a religion that teaches that we are-indeed-born evil (into sin), so the idea isn't new to me. Still, it's always shocking to hear this story and see the hidden malice of humans come out so quickly. It's amazing how we can convince even ourselves that we're good people, when so many of us would become so fascist so quickly in the right circumstances. You cannot know if a board is strong enough to hold your weight until you step on it. Once you do, if it snaps, it was always rotten; you just didn't know it until now.
As someone who's left my religion, I do believe humans have the capacity for good, just as well as evil. The only reason why humans tend to gravitate towards evil is simply because of how people's minds is easily changed by literally anything: the world, the past, the circumstances in life, their needs and wants, other people's evils, their traumas, etc. Or because of their limited ability to fully understand one another. Anyways, it's important to note that countering evil is also important.
@user-sq2qr8kk4k I know that but it's basically saying everyone even if they have done nothing wrong for their whole life is born a sinner, how does that make sense?
We are born wanting to fit in, and we are born wanting to be accepted by those around us. That inherent drive and want is what continually gets us into trouble when intermingling
It just shows how easily fragile we are, easily manipulated we can be. I like to think we aren’t born good or evil, definitely having morals for the most of us and I guess you can define that as being born good but we are like clay, we can be molded into anything and that itself can be a scary thing.
Yeah it is a loaded statement "born evil". They didn't start that way and it was not a default. Social beings evolved to be social do their best to not be ostracized, exiled, or killed. Not exactly ground breaking.
All I'm hearing is good posture, a sense of community, strength, discipline and a sense of fulfillment. Oh, and a bunch of people who still think "Good vs. Evil" is a real thing.
there are lots of discord cults out there, the system of ranks they did and the feel of an actual interaction can give really make losers feel included
i remember reading something written by Claire Wolfe many years ago which started out - evil came to my door today disguised as an old woman, who was simply trying to do some minor task given to her that seemed benign. it was a census taker asking a dozen questions she didn't need the answers to but was told to ask. (i likely have the exact wording off a bit) but that's all it takes to start the erosion of liberty, well-meaning people following simple directives that slightly reduce other's freedom.
The latest was the Census Bureau asking me questions about my school age children. The only purpose of the Bureau is to do a head count so the right number of congress members can be apportioned for each state. That's it. They have no other Constitutional purpose and yet they're asking me about school age children.
I just re-watched this video. It reminded me of the other social experiments that happened at colleges. The Milligram Experiment where someone in charge of a study kept on giving orders that the person giving wrong answers needed to be shocked each time with the levels of shock becoming increasingly dangerous and threatening to kill the person in the other room. The majority of the people just kept following orders. There was also the Stanford Prison experiment where students played the roles of guards and prisoners, and those who were the guards acted like guards who felt they had to control the prisoners. In a sense it all proves that we're all capable of doing something evil if those we give power too order us to do it. The ability of dissent is a healthy one because it can bring us back from these instances, but it is also rare and that alone is scary.
Wait a minute…. This doesn’t mean anything! Wtf? The professor agreed to play a game with his students and was surprised when people followed the rules?? That sounds like a blast and I would have loved to join it for the shear fun. That’s like setting up a game of Monopoly and being shocked that no one cheated. This is the equivalent of saying LARPing is the same as actual murder.
A better conclusion is that peoples were too submissive! If most of them were really good,they would go against the rules if said rules were doing evil! Meanwhile when someone goes against rules that should make a nice game,is ussualy easy to conclude that said someone was a bad person!
@@maestrulgamer9695 Did you watch the video? People did try to rebel, but they were shunned and punished. For everyone else, that would be enough to silence and get them to be complacent out of sheer fear of the consequences, as was the case in every totalitarian regime. That was the whole point of the video: that otherwise good people can be capable of committing evil acts when put in the wrong environment, and you should learn from these cases in order to avoid more situations like them in the future. With the kind of outlook you have, you'll find that not only are most people bad, but that so are you and the ones you love.
My son's first grade teacher does a version of this by selecting students to be "noise monitor" or "hall monitor" . It's very insidious and encourages tattletale behavior and authoritism vs working together for solutions.
Assuming anything else just prepares us for failure. Assuming we are inherently good puts any and all responsibility on others. "I am a good person so someone or something made me evil" It also makes us fall into evil behavior because we arent aware of its presence. Know that you are capable of evil, more than you would expect and do what you can to stay good.
@@srivastavashivam949 You managed to understand that going from one extreme to the other extreme is still bad. But I never suggested that people should think they are born evil, just that they aren't born inherently good.
I wish general education in high school taught the brown eye/blue eye experiment - we're probably not allowed to actually do it anymore due to psychological damage. Also, the Milgram experiment. Perhaps it is too much for people to handle. Not to mention the results of the Stanford prison experiment. I've had a lifelong interest in psychology. I appreciate knowing this information.
Happens today all the time. For real. White children, many of whom are blue eyed. are taught they are lesser and internetly evil. Starting in grade school and accelerating all the way up to post secondary education. We have an entire generation today who have effectively been taught to hate an entire race.
Neither concept exists in nature. They are constructs that we created to benefit ourselves as a species. They are not inherent and must be taught. What we typically describe as "evil" is merely natural animal behavior that we don't like.
@@AngryReptileKeeper Exactly. Good and evil are subjective. Nature only has survival. It is not evil for a lion to consume his prey for it is for his survival. Morality only developed when we as humans became an intelligent species. With a more intelligent mind, we questioned if certain actions or concepts carried positive or negative undertones of, creating morality. Known Western concepts of good and evil include things like democratic states and police states. However, we only created these concepts from our experiences as a people. American Revolution, French Revolution, numerous wars. Those created good and evil to also include freedom versus authority. I guess what I am trying to say is that morality is subjective and police states may be seen as good to one group of people and bad to another. In the end, no state is inherently good or evil, they are only assigned morality because of our emotion/morality-based minds.
Good and evil are not subjective, but rather objective. Everybody knows that killing is wrong, nobody contests that. That is an objective standard that is agreed upon by every person. Subjective morality does not exist.
@@fatstrategist Your statement is detached from reality. Good and Evil are not objective; the concepts are only useful insofar as they can be materialistically defined by a group in such a way that the application thereof aids in the pursuit of that groups goals. "Everybody knows that killing is wrong" is an interesting overgeneralization; I would more specifically say that the majority of groups' goals are not best or ideally pursued via killing in the opinion of said groups, and even so, that certainly does not apply to *every* person/group. While your *false* claim about the unanimity in opinion of whether killing is "good" or "evil" would prove that subjective morality is not *absolute* , it does nothing at all to disprove the *existence* of subjective morality.
I know alot of people out there, wether or wether not they actually have studied social psychology, are going to try to explain all of this. As a social science student, who has passed psychology with a B, I can try to explain. *By calling them a community and shaping them togheter he made an ingroup, he established his own authority as the leader, hence, they follow him. The rest is history.*
I remember finding the book about this experiment in middle school. It was a very interesting book and helped me shed some of my ignorant prejudiced ideas.
I don't think this video has evidence that people are born evil, but are capable of committing atrocities through socialization and group dynamics. Showing that it is a learned behavior rather than something innate
I read this book once in class. "Die Welle", while it was pretty boring due to it being during school and forced. It's still pretty good to get reminded on how people can be manipulated, by just one single person (in power?) with enough authority.
If we are born evil then I think that its great, because it means for a person to be kind, he must go against the very nature of what it is to be human, and I think thats amazing.
Man this video is pretty good, I was expecting you to have more subscribers. By the way the background audio was a little too loud so do turn it down in the future, other than that the video was fantastic.
That doesn't mean that people are born evil. It means that we are born with the possibility of being evil. It's totally right, we are so dominated by social pressures and fears that it is always easier to go with the flow. But it doesn't mean that man is, at his core, evil. I would rather say that it seems to us the easiest way out to label ourselves as beings not free and determined by our psychological disposition. That is the best justification for being evil.
This reminds me of a stand-up routine I heard of, performed by a German comedian. He comes on stage to a recording of a band playing oompah music, and points to a couple of plants in the audience, telling them to applaud. After doing this a couple of times, he tells everyone to applaud. After the song finishes and the applause dies down, he says. "That was a N4zi anthem, the Horst Wessel lied. Congratulations, you all just made the same mistake we did in the 30s!"
When talking about evil people, we often make the mistake of associating evil minds with sociopathy or psychopathy, an indifference to suffering and pain in others. True evil in people is when they are aware of the pain and suffering, the nature of it, and even the guilt and pain they inflict on themselves by doing such, yet do it in spite of their awareness.
Sociopathy and psychopathy are entirely friviolous labels that are no better then an astrology sign and shoudl be treated as such. I'm tired of hearing about how someone can't help being evil or doing evil because "insert entierly unprovable quasi scientific headshrink babble here".
As someone who was mercilessly bullied since early childhood(from 5-6 years of age) I cannot even imagine feeling drawn towards such movements. On the other hand I can see my bullies justifying themselves in this way. Maybe it was my upbringing why I never once felt part of a community in my entire life. Communities, especially male communities are based on authority, individual respect, and social success, often in the price of righteousness, conscience and consideration. In a way their natural course ends in similar totalitarian system.
Totalitarianism isn't entirely evil The people who submit to blind authority, and thankfully they are few and far between, are capable of truly horrific acts. Look at what happened to the woman who created women's shelters. The feminists, that cult of lunatics lead by filthy rich perverts basically all pampered well taken care of lesbians and lesbian pedophiles and government agents. She had the AUDACITY to say men and boys need a shelter too. They threatened to kill her her family her children and ultimately BUTCHERED her dog. She's still afraid of coming back to america and those scum are still threatening her life. There were no men in this organization. Evil just as good organizes. And evil infiltrates any organization and turns it to it's own end. And evil organizations can be repaired and used for good. The idea that men are inherently evil is perversion.
ive always felt like an outlier amongst others. ive grown up with both parents lying to me about one another and my mom lying about addiction. so ive been relatively good at seeing deception. for some reason i can just look at a person and know whats in their heart. what they're feeling, if there's malicious or deceptive intent. ive always stood for morals and what is right, not by mans law but by this morality, do not kill, be humble and kind to one another, protect those that need protecting, give to others without expecting anything in return, only harm to save your life but never take life, cherish those around you even if they dont cherish you, be mindful of what you say for words cut deeper than a knife, love and respect those who do not show you the same, and if someone where to sue me id let them take my tunic as well. people aren't born evil, no.... people become evil through pain, indoctrination, propaganda, and having basic humanity taken from them, a person can be kind loving and compassionate but all it could take is one to a few people that will cause immense pain or trauma and that compassionate person becomes evil and harms others. theres powers and principalities at work in society, they want to kill steal and destroy, but we dont have to follow in others footsteps, we can be loving and compassionate without violence, love one another dont hate. hate only leads to more hate
I agree I feel like an outlier always being the kind caring person but humans have been so brutal to me that I feel like am jaded or broken I don't like people anymore or want to be near them I would much rather live in an island far from society
@@tfkdandsvkc you can't blame everyone forever based on your past experiences. Everyone is different. I truly understand what you are saying. It's hard to pull out of that when you lose faith in others. I hope you come to find a friend or two in yourself, and just know, you literally have an enormous universe inside yourself. A whole infrastructure of living parts working hard for you! You are FAR from alone! Hope you find just one good friend and/or dedicate yourself to a pet. Cool things are brewing! Best wishes!
@@Fido-vm9zi thanks 👍 been feeling extremely lonely and lost in life especially when it comes to humans since they have been a source of my pain but other than that I actually love life alot I love nature I love traveling alone but I still don't like people they are very scary to me but life is still beautiful as I enjoy many other things that don't involve people
This didn’t prove that humans are born evil, only how easy it is to twist the common man and especially the child just with what they learn from their environment and who they learn from.
Everyone in the comments making cases about whether or not we're technically evil is kinda missing the point, in my opinion. The point is that even if you don't consider people or even these people to be evil (in whole or in part), your very normal hearts and minds are so easily twisted in service to it. Even if you don't think you're evil, your drives and indolence can be the tools that perpetuate it.
Half the comments are people who are missing the point because they don't want to admit that they're vulnerable to cult-like group-think. That would require self reflection which terrifies them.
Yeah but were all born babies. Babies are technically good becasue they're defenseless, nutritional snacks if left alone 😂 that bring happiness no anyone who encounter us. Yeah technically evil if you feed a monster but hey, ying-yang, infinite paradox
From what I’ve read so far, everyone claiming that humans aren’t born evil would agree with you. It’s not necessarily that humans are born evil, just that humans can learn and be persuaded to do bad.
I've been an abnormal outsider for a long time. I've also had near constant desires to hurt people, for a long time. There is a multitude of voices in my head, like a council meeting, and it paralyzes me. It keeps me from succeeding. But it also keeps me from acting upon horrible thoughts. Despite it all I feel a desperate need to belong, to fit in. All of it seems to be pointing toward AI. The singularity. A hope for a new world without suffering. But what would I pay, or take, to get there? I ask myself this damn near every day. Humanity is not inherently evil. Humanity is inherently natural, and nature knows no such concepts. Every day we strive to be better than what we are, that too is our nature.
Yet,no one speaks about the genocide taking place in Gaza,the atrocities took place in Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan.....Everything will be paid properly when the time comes
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Disturbing how easy we slide into an apathic or aggressive response to one another suffering. Good video, great subject matter and luck to you on this website.
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Interesante video, creo que hasta en historias de videojuegos han puesto eso de otra perspectiva más fácil de entender pero me temo que termina callendo en el problema de olvidar los mismos principios del renacimiento fallido de oxidente, hasta migala lo tuvo que corregir, falta ver como será el segundo renacimiento de la humanidad no de occidente eurocentralista opinión personal.
Creo que hasta la conversación con mitos antes de la pelea final del video juego tales of symphonia respondería a esto también.
imagine being the person who was sick for 6 days and missed all this
lmfao that would most likely be me
You ever miss the fascist uprising due to a bad cold
@@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472 happens all the time😔
Imagine beimg sick for 4 days and coming back to this 😅
That kid: NAZIS?!, THIRD WAVE?!, WW2?! I WAS GONE FOR 6 DAYS!!!, WHAT HAPPENED HERE?!?!?!
a teacher creates new ideology: other teachers *calm*
the same teacher creates a new salute: other teachers *calm*
the ideology grows fast: other teachers *calm*
parents don't want their child to go to school because the ideology: other teachers *calm*
absences increase: other teachers *calm*
the students assign themselves as guards: other teachers *calm*
the members of the ideology exile people to the library: other teachers *calm*
3 students get beaten due to ideology: other teachers *calm*
the teacher dissolves ideology: other teachers *calm*
The teachers: just another day in the normal life! XD
Was waiting for a :Angry or something but it never came
the bullied kid fights back: other teachers
Prity much. Most schools are actually really incompetent at basic things. A while back a tone of kids ended up drinking floor cleaner instead of mike because: the milk and floor cleaner were delivered in almost identical bags, they were both stored in the same place, no one thought to check the labels when they were filling up the machines, and because when several students came to the teachers saying that the milk was 'burny', the only thing that happened was that two teachers did a 'sniff test' of the odourless cleaner. Lots of kids wound up in hospital. The reality is that lots of teachers aren't very well trained or coordinated. Especially in the us were their basically paid minimum wage.
That's California for ya.
People often forget that evil is not just the grand, large examples. It's the little things one justifies into a box they don't need to think about.
Although, it would be wrong to say that anyone is born evil. We're all born neutral. It's the environment that shapes us into who we are
People tend to believe what they were doing was right if they were taught since born.
@@mousesunset that doesn't make it right, so they were wrong
reminds me of this quote i can't find, but it goes something like this:
"You don't have to be evil to do evil things. You just have to let evilness happen"
@@PsiJuicu no shit Sherlock, this man explained the most basic idea ever to you and you think that justifies shit? Don’t insult your intelligence unless you actually believe the Nazis knew they were evil and relished in it, in which case it isn’t merely an insult it’s the honest truth of your intelligence
This is why it's so important to question the authority
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@@TSERJI yet you never do
@@HolyShitThatSucksMan420 ?
Always start out skeptical, never biased towards one side or the other. It clouds proper judgement.
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"We give our freedom up for the chance of being special" This is deep.
Sounds very familiar.
A thing that EVERYBODY should commit to mind and memory: FREEDOM IS NOT NEGOTIABLE! Never, ever give up Freedom for security or some other perceived or paraded bullshit.
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@@geboeschtt9732 Within limits, or else you'll just become a Karen
This isn't about if people are inherently evil. It's about how people are easily persuaded by authority.
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Because people are evil. Why do we get persuaded by authority? Because they offer something we want or want to hear. People aren't as dumb as they think they are, but they choose to close their ears to certain things. They say, let me just get through this hurdle, if I can get through this period of hardship then I will do something good. The time then never comes
While you're reasoning is correct, I do not agree with the conclusion. Most people are born with sympathy that can be overridden by our inherent desire to fit in. That does not mean we are evil, in fact, I'd say it makes us inherently good. But, that goodness is fragile.
And, it goes back to the age old adage "Hell is paved with good intentions". Evil regimes such as that of the Nazis were built upon the fundamentally good goal of creating utopia. That and dehumanization is how they could justify their actions. They did believe what they were doing is right. So I would say that stupidity is a major part of that.@@yeshuaislord6880
No. That's the milgram experiment. Don't cope.
@@BygoneTjust because one experiment tested something, doesn't mean one experiment can't test the same thing. We are easily persuaded not only by authority, but by a sense of tribalism. Humans aren't intrinsically evil, no matter how much doomer ideologies want to tell you that. What this experiment shows that, humans are willing to protect those they feel tribalistically inclined towards and that we go to great lengths to protect them, even if it means being blinded to the morality of their actions. The people who tend to rebel, are those who view the prescribed encompassing dogma, and resist against it for whatever reason, and once again they may be blinded to morals to see that happen.
Anyone that has been bullied in school will not have a hard time understanding that people will do bad things if they can get away with it. People will readily exclude others so they can feel special.
AGREED.
That is true.
Human nature to form groups, usually exclusive groups. It gives a sense of community AND uniqueness when usually those two things contradict. This makes group forming particularly powerful.
As someone who is bullied in highschool I fvckin relate to this. I'm just now a misanthrope hating everyone
That makes us inherently evil, we're only good when we repeatedly face the harsh consequences of our evil actions.
It just proves that there are few ppl that can really think off there own and have the balls to stand up against what everybody thinks
I hate Democracy. I believe in City State Rule through Oligarchs. So I believe in Russia after the fall of the Romanov Family. I actually met their daughter. I got rid of their curse.
When your life is literally under threat, is it truly easy to stand against the crowd?
@ we do what ever to survive. But there are lots off ppl not willing to say what they think in a classroom or work ect
@@Lily4444 need courage but at the cost of your life, something hard but something to die for. at least one will not live with the burden of guilt
"We're born evil."
Experiment: *Shows normal people becoming evil over time after careful manipulation of concepts that happen to be good for survival.*
breaking bad moment
we live in a susciety😔😔😔
Its clickbait through an edgy thumbnail title
@@harbour2118 seriously, I'm tired of this shit popping up on my page lmao
Just hilarious
“villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.” The issue is not about being born bad, it is rather about being convinced the bad is good.
Very true
very easy to say that nazi germany and all of its citizens was the most evil thing in the world, not so easy to take some time to understand the reasons they had the beliefs they had, normies will always be normies, the truth isnt for everyone
Evil truly triumphs when you convince yourself that your wrongdoings are for the "Greater Good".
Kinda like how greed and divisiveness are promoted here in America.
What people fail to realize with this, is that ‘being convinced’ in this sense does not necessarily mean by other people. Any experiences in life can convince someone about what is right, even small ones. Let’s take falling down for example. After falling down and getting some bruises, your brain leaves with the message that trying not to fall down is (part of) the *correct* way to live. With a few exceptions, your brain will then try to avoid actions that will result in you falling down. Now take this, but on a larger scale, and someone can start believing that taking ‘bad’ actions, or ones that inherently harm others is the *correct* way to live.
Giving a purpose to a person is very powerful. A lot of us live the day by day without direction, but at the moment we get a purpose we exceed the expectations of our capabilities. No matter what the purpose is, we all just want too live our lives feeling we are fighting for something of value. This is ingrained in human nature.
Beautifully put, this can even be attributed to almost all successful people.
Purpose is the most realistic representation of magic as the drive, concentration, flow, consistency, and belief can shatter almost any barrier.
There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose, for as we both know, without purpose we would not exist. It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us; it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us.
FYI Embracing your lack of purpose makes you realise you are in fact free, you can make your own choices to shape your future. Don't be a smith, be a neo. Be free
Does this mean everyone will eventually find that "purpose"?
But literally everyone has got their purpose, there is noone on earth who's just living just day to day. We are all trying to make our huge dreams a reality.
@@AutoRautonot i this reality. If you really ask people honestly wou will see how few actually have a pasion a dream a goal. At most very fe have formulated a dream and do nothing to accomplish it. And even less than that havve a passion and are actively trying to make it a reality.
The movie based on this experiment “the third wave” is absolutely amazing, both in a philosophical way and a cinematic way
As much as I like this video, I don't think that the experiment proved that humans are inherently evil. It did however prove that we are susceptible to strong authority. Especially when sed authority makes us feel strong, starts out small, gives solid incentives, and comes from someone who already has some authority and is well liked.
I agree, i feel like this proved people are susceptible to manipulation and positive reinforcement. Which is why its important to teach people to look out for this
@@boomymanlyman9876 I feel the funny juice running through my veins.
@@diaatlus of course teens would do anything for an A, I mean I'm surprised no one even told their parents on the 1st day that they were gonna get and F if they didn't obey their teacher
@@boomymanlyman9876 Man, what part of this is relevant to that?
I agree, this is on a level above ‘video games cause violence’. It’s more like ‘LARPing creates murderers”.
They were quite literally playing a game, one which many would have liked to play in school, possibly to a lesser extent.
"But goodness alone is never enough. A hard, cold wisdom is required for goodness to accomplish good. Goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil."
-Robert A. Heinlein, _Stranger In A Strange Land_
"Man is what he is, a wild animal with the will to survive, and (so far) the ability, against all competition. Unless one accepts that, anything one says about morals, war, politics-you name it-is nonsense. Correct morals arise from knowing what man is-not what do-gooders and well-meaning old Aunt Nellies would like him to be." -Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
GOWDAYM THATS DEEP ASF
@@yasukeyato5915 And then the main character of that book starts a worldwide sex cult
@@TheVnator i didn't realise the quote was from "Stranger from a strange land" lmao
Well the alien did accomplish something 😂
@@TheVnator THE STRANGE LAND ONE???? I WANNA READ
It doesn't prove we are evil, it just proves how fragile humans are that anyone with enough power can easily control us
How much power is needed at the bare minimum to control you?
@@youtubestudiosucks978 It would have to threaten my life to control me, Even then it would only work for so long. Threatening things i love would also only work for so long, Even if thats selfish of me its how i am. Only i decide what i do. I would say im pretty smart about it though, I can make you think you control me until magically im the one on top and you are bowing to me. Thats only on a personal note though. On a scale like covid-19 where you cant do anything without a vaccine it becomes a little more tricky but still doable but something like that is probably the only way to truly control every type of person, IF there wasn't a threat of civil war. Luckily, That threat always exists. As this video shows, Theres alot of ways to start uprisings, and they happen pretty quickly.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 in your case just a Pokeball.
@@AndersonMallony-EricCF i'm a digimon that just happens to look like a vaporeon. Pokeballs dont work on digimon.
nobody can control me, my ass will be too busy snoozing
I'm from Germany and we were shown a movie about this experiment in almost every year of high school. It's a great one named "Die Welle". Gives me chills every time.
No, we born neutral, nothing Is evil, It's the enviroment and the social standard of society who born and live Who plaged themselves.
You don't need to teach a person how to lie.
Read the bible
Everyone is born as a sinner but baptism makes them neutral and later on with life they commit sins
@@MACTEP13377 op is right
@@MACTEP13377 who.... asked.
I read the original essay, his words, his fright, his regret. How he felt like a dictator, how when he nearly wasn't careful enough, he nearly become that dictator. It feels like a fictional horror story, a story of trauma you'd tell at a campfire with a roasted marsh mellow on your stick. Yet this was real... this happened... and to me? This is truly unnerving
The guy loved it. It was only when he started getting attention he called it off.
This event has been written as a teen lvl book as well. I remember reading the book out of curiosity in 8th grade.
@@nickm9102I'm austrian and we read the book in middle school.
if he gave it a month he wouldnt be able to get himself to stop it and even if he himself were able to make himself stop he wouldnt be able to stop the students
My experience as a lawyer is that 99% of people don't go out in the world thinking, "I'm going to do some evil today." What happens instead is that people fail to empathize and fall prey to their natural bias in favor of themselves over others and their group over other groups. This gets magnified when people perceive they are fighting over scarce resources or are under a great deal of stress, or are seeking to avoid punishment. And people rationalize their choices before or after the fact (or both) so they can silence their consciences and loudly declare that they wholeheartedly believe they were doing the right thing all along and that they never stopped being the kind and conscientious people they believe themselves to be.
So most of the time it's not antipathy but laziness, ignorance, fear, and self-delusion. One mantra I give my clients all the time is, "before you can prove malice, you have to rule out incompetence."
Adharma is the source of all problems in this world. Adharma is our only enemy, Adharma is not any particular person, religion, or race. It lies within ourselves.*
*Dharma* is a notion that shows us the path, it is the concept that says to do what is required of you i.e, do the rightmost thing that needs to be done under any circumstances. Do it unattached to the world and everything in it, be it your parents, your emotions, your desires or anything else. It is dharma, a concept, a guiding principle, a conceptualized entity that commands to do what is due to the world, the things that should be done, those things that should be implemented.
Dharma is doing what is required by you to do.
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*By abiding Dharma you always carry out the rightmost action.*
Adharma is simply not doing the this
I feel like this comment called me out on a personal level. While it was painful to read, I believe you are totally right.
Deep inside everyone's soul knows it. So it's a Choice
Self preservation is biologically hardwired into our brain. It's no different to how animals behave but for some reason we think we must be selfless because it's the 'right' thing to do.
@gmann8659 Also, humans following their base instincts in our modern world tend to cause abject misery to themselves and everyone around them. I've seen way too many men using violence to rule their households and/or abandoning children, and way too many women attempt to destroy father-child relationships in order to bond kids to their new paramour, and stepmothers either neglecting or trying to steal kids from mothers to believe any differently. (To be clear both sexes engage in all of the behaviors above, it's just way more common in my experience to see the kinds of cases I outlined).
The key is to tell them upfront that "its just an experiment", but also that one of their grades depends upon participation.
Of course, the one conducting needs to have some authority first.
What's even worse is that some of the students were probably like, "Damn, this is actually kinda awesome. We should do this ALL the time!"
Just imagine yourself in that situation, the classmates you didn't like swear to be your comrades y'all have special salutes, banners and everything, won't you be excited too?
@@PsiJuicu I can't say for sure. On one side, I was pretty conservative because of my family, so maybe I would have fallen for it. On the other hand, I'm a recluse and I hated seeing people caught up in groupthink. Our English teacher also gave us a good section devoted to Holocaust literature, so I'd hope that I was wise to fascist bullshit.
All in all, this type of thing (peer pressure/tribalist/bandwagon bullshit) pissed me off then and now, so probably not.
@@freddytheshadowninjaehh i think I'll just have fun with the others, while not getting too serious about it
@@PsiJuicu Even more exciting would be creating underground opposition. Make it look like communist and spread your own propaganda. I would be only afraid of "civil war" when it escalates.
@@freddytheshadowninja yes anyone on the left and right could call each other comrades and start this stuff.
This why I am happy my parents taught me to question everything I thought was abnormal. I've never been in an experiment like this but part of my mind would be wondering "Why are we doing this?" Yes I could do something about it but it's just me.
"I've never been in an experiment like this" Unless you're from Sweden are you sure? People lost jobs, were arrested, and attacked over the past 2 yrs if they didn't comply with authority regarding personal medical decisions. You were only allowed to go places if you had a card. "For the better good" was the reason for the past 2 yrs even though it didn't prevent anything.
"I am happy my parents taught me to question everything I thought was abnormal." How have the past 2 yrs been normal? When else in history have healthy people been forced (no coercion) to isolate themselves and change their behaviors to prevent people with illnesses from getting sick?
How do you feel about climate change? If you believe it's real then how do you explain all the times over the past 50 yrs when people predicted that Florida would be underwater by now, that we would be in an ice age, etc. You can change your behavior because you want to but are you sure that your behaviors are actually helping (if you need to cut trees down to build solar farms how is that good for the environment? Solar will reduce co2 more than trees but you lose biodiversity and other stuff that isn't easy to fix. Banning plastic bags didn't change anything because sales of plastic bags increased (people still needed something to put garbage in and to pick up dog poop and before the bans many people reused grocery bags. The ironic thing is that people had explained that reusable bags were havens for germs years before 2020 but it took a social contagion to reverse the ban on plastic bags (which is it, are plastic bags bad for the environment or not) because people didn't trust that people would wash their reusable bags. What will make 2023 onward different that it will suddenly be safe to touch stuff other people have handled. People's behavior won't change and there will always be disease and plastic will still be plastic-reusable bags are also plastic unless they're cotton but "According to a UK government report, to be more eco-friendly than a plastic bag, a cotton bag would have to be used 173 times." Will cotton bags last 173 uses? The heavy duty plastic bags are made from recycled plastic but "Every time plastic is recycled, the polymer chain grows shorter, SO ITS QUALITY DECREASES. The same piece of plastic can only be recycled about 2-3 times before its quality decreases to the point where it can no longer be used." Neither is a good option. One uses more resources but is biodegradable but the other creates less co2 but always remains plastic).
You would be surprised how often people comply despite believing they wouldn't.
Why do you only question what you think is abnormal? Why not question everything (what you think is normal could be abnormal for everyone else)?
@@namename9998 Jesus somebody likes to hear themselves talk.
@@owenhammond1880 someone likes to think of himself as superior
@@namename9998 JFC. The answer is none. Exactly zero times in the past 50 years has there been a prediction in the scientific literature that Florida would be underwater or that we were going into an ice age. There have been models of X sea level rise by Y year under Z conditions. A small minority of papers published before the advent of useful computing power and satellite data predicted cooling.
Sorry, but I find it hilarious that you could watch a whole video about the fact that regular people are easily swept up by movements like this without realizing what's going on and then go to the comments and boast about how you'd be different.
You might be, sure, but chances are you're already part of something without really questioning it.
Like that one Garfield meme says: "You're not immune to propaganda" Don't believe you're better than others because that exact mindset leads to the very complacency you believe yourself to be immune to
“What is better - To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?” ~Paarthurnax, Skyrim
What's better is to be good and overcome all obstacles that make you evil regardless if you were born good or not.
Its not about good or bad, but value. Its also good if you born good, but if you were born evil and overcame evil nature it is still good but the value of goodness is greater in second case.
The latter is far more admirable, in my opinion.
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@@silverhawkscape2677 that’s the thing nobody is born good we All are Evil sinners but is our choice what defines us between good & bad so we humans have half good & half bad we are Antihero’s that’s human nature the bible tells us that before in genesis that humans used to have a mind like babies our first parents were not antihero’s they were Good until our first fathers & mothers were deceived by the devil & ate the forbidden fruit from the tree of intelligence the devil offered to us to be like God but for a price Eve & Adam ate the apple & later learn what is right & wrong & humans naturally became sinners & evil so they couldn’t stay in the garden of eden of eternal life that’s why humans now in days feed on chaos & we love it & the thing is we all deserve to die but if it wasn’t for Jesus who gave his life on the cross we wouldn’t be saved so we’re all evil & to be judged
I read a book about this and over the time I was weirdly convinced of his idea and felt the sense of community alongside with the students. I was even mad at the few students who stood up against the Third Wave. Imagine how shocked I was at the end and more shocked when I reflected on what I just believed was right.
People are born with values to survive. Goodness and evil is usually taught, with us latching on to these values because those who don't will find themselves left behind
yes I feel like humans at first are neither good nor evil and born good and evil at the same time its kinda paradoxical but they gain knowledge over time we are capable of both and it depends on what side we pick and what we learn in life and how we are taught to either bring out or good sides and bad sides because humans naturally have both sides in them but it depends on which side will they develop the most
@@kuronblue You need just to convince that one idea will benefit the person, thats all, he won't care is it bad to other people or not. People are social creatures. There are authorities, then there are those who follow authorities and those who follow power and crowd since crowd is power. Cowardice is the reason those people follow either authority, power or crowd, since they feel themselves weak if they are alone and are afraid to be left behind in society. I would better have near me brave guy with lower IQ than a coward with high IQ because weak people are tools that are used by crazy authorities.
Goodness and evil don't exist, what's good for one person is evil for another. It also depends on perspective and how far sighted you are. If you have a pregnant mother who's husband left, is it good to pay her? Well, seems it is, but then you get to the position of today with insane amounts of people growing up fatherless and really dysfunctional because women feel justified and comfortable to sleep and put less thought into themselves and choosing partners, men also get to sleep around and think nothing of it, until the alimony hits and then they just get more fucked too. Is it good to safeguard a child so they never get injured? On paper, yes, in practice, if they don't get roughhousing, they won't understand their strength and limits, pain and risks. Etc, etc, etc.
The real 'solution' is that there's NO solution, every situation is individual, every person is individual, and well, WE are also luckily individuals with brains, which, if we DON'T train to shut down, we can use to solve almost every problem in society, and every challenging situation that arises. But instead we opt out, preferring the easy route of creating a false god called the government, who we pretend can know all our needs and tend to us (which it can't), surrender all authority and thought to it, and as a result become unable to solve our problems, and even let such central authorities dictate us idiotic ideas and drag us into insane conflicts for ITS gains and/or beliefs! The only evil that exists is giving up individuality, the rest of what follows is just the inevitable consequences of locking into such a small, ever shrinking and directable box/tunnel.
I mean, we are born with instincts, not values. Values are constructed by a society. And the change
@@mkzherono, the solution is God.
Only he has the authority to say what is good and what is evil.
These "moral relativism" people only exist to give people a headache.
We know what is good and just and I wish we acted on it.
I don't think everyone is born evil we just have the capacity to be evil I think it's all external factors but this was fascinating
everyone can fall into evil, that's a fact. But you can think about yourself whatever you want, lmao
@@AggressiveSpaghettiand others can think of you as they want
@@AggressiveSpaghettiI really hate to ask this but are you sure you read what the person wrote? It doesn't imply that people can't be evil?
If someone is evil,can they become good again?
Nature, a thing we glorify yet refuse to accept in it's full spectrum.
To nature, there is no good or evil. If you survive and pass your genes on, you're succesful - no matter if you happened to have a positive, social life or found yourself stealing, killing and taking advantage.
We see such as bad, while nature probably rolls metaphoric eyes and waits to see what happens.
When evil is so normal, so bland, capable of coming from anyone under the right pressure... It can get hard to identify it.
The banality of evil - Hannah Arendt
@bastiat4855 Yes I'm well aware of the nature of everything in your comment.
"Evil" for our purposes in this discussion is simply that which describes this kind of awful behavior the professor proved those students were susceptible to. The fact that people are "morally gray" as you said is precisely the issue. To put it simply - "Evil is morally grey. It is each of us, capable of being released upon each other, and we will find ways to justify it such that we fail to notice its presence".
@bastiat Everyone likes to think of themselves as a hero and their ideological opposites as villains.
The vaccine and Covid lockdown
@@CrescentUmbreongood is morally gray also.
My highschool also did a similar experiment but instead of one class it was a competition by two of our social studies teachers and the class groups they personally taught. We had almost all the things 3rd wave experiment have, a mantra/set of rules, unique hand gestures, only thing missing was hierarchal positions. The objective was to have students to place their respective teacher's symbol in as many places as possible and either side were allowed to tear down the opposing symbol, basically it was like a territory war. Funny thing is that despite having no rewards for participating almost every student in those classes were willing to put and tear down symbols, and if someone gets caught red handed by either teacher, a simple glare would make them try to undo their actions.
Theres a german movie that reenacts this experiment, called "the wave", which many of us watched back in school. Its a really good example that shows that what happened here in germany before and during the second world war is not bound to be a unique incident if we are not careful. Unfortunately i think the movie is only available in german language, but to anyone who hasnt seen it yet i do highly recommend checking it out.
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We had to read the book version for homework, i loved it
I saw that movie. And the dynamic was horrible.
@@SypakaWhy?
@@BarbieMariposa1613 Because it showed how fast an experiment like this can escalate, if one were to do that again.
Found this from Reddit, really impressed with the quality of the video for such a small channel. Keep making videos and I will be watching more.
Thanks for the support 😊
@@TheEniqma I like the soundtrack, did you make it?
Thanks! I wish I did but no. It's by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio, do drop him some love
@@TheEniqma Nice video too! I learn and its fun.
@@anniedufresne9409 Glad you enjoyed it!
This made me think of the line, “Ordinary people are capable of Extraordinary things. Those could be good or bad. It’s up to the individual to decide.” It’s chilling to think about the horrific things everyone is capable of.
Not everyone is capable. Some are just born different and better than others that’s all
I'm 100% the moral principle that human race has made is not real at all, it's an abstract idea. The other animal races kills the others to thrive with no feeling of guilty. Don't pretend to be like those paragons of morale. 👌
that line suggests people decide wheter to be good or bad, as in, that implies people would know if they're being bad? wich is wrong? i mean, at least most of the time. If someone does something it is because :
1 - They think it is good , they agree with it. It is the good thing to do.
2 - They think it is the best option, but they do not agree with it. It is the only thing to do.
3 - They think it is inconsequent, that it does not trully mater. Who cares?
Most of the times anyone does anything, its either 1 or 3, and rarely is it 2. So most of the time, people operate under the assumption what they do is either (1)GOOD, or (3)NEUTRAL, inconsequent. Only under 2 is it even remotely possible for someone to knowingly commit what they think is evil, and only under the assumption that despite it being bad, it is the LEAST bad, and therefore, even 2 is doing the most good possible.
People do not decide wheter or not to be good, they... just.. decide.
@@LilXancheX That is a terrible way to view things, and that line fits very nicely in the beliefs of many xenophobic and racist people , mate. The concept a person can be born BETTER than another person implies one can be born WORST, and the NOTION that someones' birth defines them as WORST than another is an ideology-red flag for me.
@@shadowguarder2857 I'm better than the guy born without the chance to comprehend the world around him. Better than the ones that were given everything and are now homeless. Better than the ones whom purposefully beat themselves down.
The only real positive mote I can give this video is that it made me aware of the experiment, so i could go seek out better sources on it that weren't hyper dramatized with with a title and thumbnail so out of pocket that it makes me wonder if the video creator didnt miss the point of the experiment a bit.
We are born neutral. We learn from experience, it’s outside factors that influence us. Not our species as a whole and this experiment just proves this. Evil people make evil. The only time someone is “born evil” is when they physically can’t empathize and that’s usually caused by a disorder.
No, we're born animals. We ascribe the term "evil" to many aspects of natural animal behavior such as r@pe, killing, attacking others, stealing others' resources, abandoning one's mate and offspring, etc. So because we are born animals, we are therefore born evil. Furthermore, humans must be taught to not engage in these behaviors. If that doesn't happen, the human will default to their natural animal state.
I have problems empathizing(for the opposite reason, i empatizhe too much so as a defense mechanism i do not empatizhe with people as it would be too much) And let me tell you, that doesn't lead me to evil, if anything it keeps me from doing evil, as it allows me to analyze situations with a clear mind, if your empathy forces you to do good, you ain't good, you are just being self serving, good comes from understanding that we live in groups and that it is right to do good as it improves the QOL overall. Goodnes is derived from logic and to see yourself not as an individual but as a part of humanity. Indivualism is the root of all evil and any collectivism that doesn't understand all of humanity as the group is just closet individualism.
@@diablo.the.cheater I understand, but what I meant was if someone can hurt you and won’t feel any remorse because of a mental block that’s the stereotypical “evil” behavior they were trying to paint humans as having. There are other factors to being good, I’m not saying empathy is the only factor. I don’t really agree with the self serving statement tho. I have ADHD and one of the side affects is me being hyper empathetic. I can’t really control what I’m empathetic towards it’s just a feeling. I just want people to be happy, not for my own feelings but for theirs. I understand why you might think it’s self serving but it’s not like helping people is JUST helping yourself, and often times the things i empathize with are things I can’t control so I just feel bad and nothing else. Empathy is the last thing from being just self serving.
Then why has humanity always been at war
At any given time in America alone, there are anywhere from 25 to 50 active serial killers. Rape murder and torture are also common.
When we studied nazi germany in class, we also read "the wave"(a book based on this case) in another class. Really helped to understand how easy it is to slip into such behaviour and how to spot it
Its fake news, the wave is debunked but it fits a capitalist democratic narrative
There’s also a movie based on it
I believe the root of the problem is the lack of questioning, but mainly the TABOO around questioning.
Ironically, the results undermined Ron Jones's position as a teacher.
Liberals believe teachers should be influential, uniquely praised and even trusted above the parents in many cases!
In the past, including in Germany, teachers were more like tutors who taught you facts in a group setting. They were given respect, but not like in a liberal democracy.
And the fact is, Ron Jones taught these kids good things. Discipline, honor, duty. All these things have been universally recognized as positives goods since time immemorial. This isn't what made fascism unique, lol. Hell even communists of the 20's agreed with fascism on that.
There is also a film adaptation of this experiment, filmed by none others than Germans. It's called Die Welle (or The Wave), and it's a perfect recreation of the experiment, with a little twist at the end. If you've found this video fascinating, I highly recommend you to watch the movie.
Would sound more friendly if it was Die Wink (The Wave)
Stanford prison experiment is a more interesting, more famous example of this
@@c.s.christopher5801not really
@@mathewisbrutsk335 ya rly
@@c.s.christopher5801It was a show of how people could easily dehumanize others and become sadistic rather than this experiment, which shows how more nuanced aspects of fascism can come about through social engineering. So I don't think it fully applies here.
"So, kids, instead of learning fractions today, you're all going to learn how to start a cult!"
We are born gullible and manipulatable, not evil. It is up to those who raise us to give us strong wills, values, and morals. And it is up to us to do the same for the ones we raise
We're evil but we try to blame somebody else.
Yeah, even the bible tells us about human nature; it's inherently evil due to sin. The hubris of all the people commenting the opposite when in reality humans judge by skin color, facial attractiveness, celebrate death of others, laugh at death of others, steal, cheat on spouses and so much countless things that they themselves do everyday but choose to overlook.
Nobody told these kids to betray eachother, beat eachother up and start bullying and threatening eachother. It was their evil nature being offered space to roam freely, they initiated their evil deeds themselves.
they will always be a extreme minority... chances are you would also be gullible and easily manipulated.
@@JodBless that was 3 people, not all of them, and they were rumours. Likewise the "betrayal" was to prevent a revolution from ending the experiment, which you may have viewed as a good thing, but this was also balanced against fear of being "exiled" in the students. And throughout all of it they were only being exiled to the library, nothing really evil. What the experiment demonstrates is that authority figures and social pressure can lead to actions that are generally bad, and what history demonstrates is that this can be used to commit terrible crimes. But these will not occur unless those that want them take control directly or in other ways. Most people are not exceptionally good or evil, in general they are mildly bad, but not evil. It's only when evil people take control of these systems and use them for their own ends, that the average person will react with apathy and let this occur. Paper does not set itself on fire, but it still burns
"Everyone has both good and evil inside them, it's them that have to choose which side they would let prevail." - Lapse 2
I remembered my teacher in high school once told us that humans are born evil and are learn to be good. This video gave me nostalgia from that class.
Humans aren't born evil or good, because whole concept of evil and good is created by humans. We aren't born with inherent knowledge what is good and what is bad.
Bad teacher. Life is my teacher. People are neither bad nor good, but others interfere and mold people however people choose what to believe through experience and obsevation
@@brialapoint2608 People aren't born neutral, well at least not exactly. The choice you're going to make in your life and the fact that you're going to be morally good, bad or neutral are almost entirely determined at your birth by your genetics. The only thing that can alter it, is your environnement (people, context etc) and it's only in a bad way (turning "good" in "bad")
@@Cesare-Borgia technically people are born good. Because as a baby you're just food for others and can't fend for yourself.
You are born as a defenseless, good snack 😂
@@Cesare-BorgiaThat’s simply not true. You are not “predestined” to end up a certain way. It’s nature and nurture, and saying that nurture can only have a negative impact is completely asinine
I love how people keep coming up with polar opposite ideals one after another, nearly perfectly avoiding the obvious all the time. It is not that we were born good, or bad. We are born with potential for both, and actually it is the best if we can expand into both. Know what good and what extent of bad we can do - it makes strong people.
Its a crime that this channel doesnt have more subscribers
This does not show we are born evil, it shows students are impressionable
The scary thing about evil acts is those who commit them don't think of themselves as the bad guys, if they think something is good for the cause they stand for they'll do it regardless if people get killed or injured. Consider the notion of becoming evil to prevent another form of evil that in retrospect is no different from the other.
It's almost like morality is subjective.
@@AngryReptileKeeper Essentially that's what it is.
DuPont & Queen Undick in a nutshell
@@schizoidboy Not at all.
@@AndersonMallony-EricCF morality really is subjective though. Sure, certain thing humans can agree upon as being wrong but that doesn’t make it subjective. Killing is a good example. Is it wrong to kill someone? Well, that depends, are we talking about murder or self defence? Already it is not absolute. If you have a goal of improving well being you can make a decision which objectively works towards or against said goal, but the goal itself is subjective.
I wouldn't say "evil", just "wild", "beastly untamed" or "savage", since evil is a concept that depends on a point of view and it changes depending on things like culture, morals, religion, etc. But only education and introspection can turn us into "good", and there's only one kind of "good".
"Kids are you cruel! All people are by nature. They just lose touch with it as they get older. Start thinking they know right and wrong." - Sundowner
"Sundowner was right"--Mistral
~~Red Sun, Red Sun over paradise~~
Nano Machines, son!
I wouldn't trust the words of a child trafficker
@@WhoAmIHmmm i do, after all, self-confidence is everything
this is not evil. It points to our yearning for unity and ability to achieve a goal bigger than ourselves. I think it’s incredible. it can be applied in evil ways perhaps, but all things turn out good in the end. Time is the great revealer.
Yeah snitching, collectivism, and group-thinking is a sign of good. The state will reward you well, comrade.
Yes, one day the walls of the great facade will crumble and all will be revealed: they were only doing the right thing.
establish guilt and the cult well do anything the cult leader wants
There was no bigger goal lol just the feeling of exclusivity and comformity.
In the Bible God calls it evil to b/c the only main unity we're suppose to be seeking is unity with him so we wouldn't be fooled and do something naturally evil by trying to be part of the group.
There is a German movie about it : Die Welle ("the wave" in German). I remember watching it in my German language class and it really struck me. I recommend watching it
Cuz obviously nothing happened in Russia or China whatsoever
Yess! We even watched it in school! Great movie!
I watched an English version when I was a kid on TV in the 80’s.
My class watched that too!
Do the Germans really need this movie.. I mean.. ah never mind 😅 😅
We’re not evil. We’re social. We tend to follow group and autority. But it can lead to as much good as bad
That’s why individuals who think with their own mind are important
@@Chulpansilu To be honest, most of the free thinker are just following another group
@@Chulpansiluno such thing as individual thinkers. We are all brainwashed by others.
That why hindu philosophy,sages and seer are there to keep us seperate from social groups because living in different kind of separate groups we humans became divided and it's not hard to spread hate by one man in a divided world to different communities, culture,race and religion.
imagine being sick and missing all this
I would be like "What the hell happened!? What were y'all thinking!?"
You must be really sick to miss 5 days of school
@@ohnoanyway6096 I missed 2.5 months of school because of a arm fracture (my left dominant hand was fractured making me unable to write)
@@haven_lady675 "I can't even leave you alone for five days?!"
I did something like this in 3rd grade. Called each other the knights. I was the white knight and my friend was the black knight. We grew substantially in 3 weeks till we recruited every student at recess ( close to 100 students ). Then we organized a rebellion and stormed the 3 teachers watching us and ultimately overpowered them. Then we charged the gates and got into the centers of the school. We saw the front gate of the school was open and charged it. 100 kids running like a pack of hungry wolves. I heard grunting and screaming in the back. I looked back and it was the janitor blasting through us like a quarterback trying to beat us to the gate. He beat us to the gate and locked it from the outside. Every teacher got involved at that point and we were all sent home to our parents 2 hours later after a talk from the principal. 😂
It’s so easy to form a group like this as long as there’s no immediate discipline. I remember when we were charging in unison it was the best feeling in the world. Tribal and free.
You have my respect my guy
That's the most fake shit I've heard in a long time
Bullshit
Is the elementary school named fiction high?
@@Ocoro_ actually happened tbh lol. Started off with us playing with sticks, moved to leveling up, then to dnd storyline( started recruiting people at that point because people got interested ) , then we go organized, and so forth.
We are born good, very few have ever been born “bad”. Certain things that affect us when we’re young can cause us to be evil. We’re all “good”, but at the same time nobody is good for we are not perfect. But we are not evil by nature.
Mate we are evil by nature, the only reason why we're not killing eachother for no reason rn is because of moral codes and the fact that there is consequences. Just because you are nice doesn't mean you can't commit atrocities.
@@brrman4089okay than why do kids not kill each other
Kids don't have morlas don't know about the law
@@jovanJojo797 It's literally what I said, and also killing isn't the only thing that defines evil. Kids are evil as hell if you don't know, for example bullying, discriminating, and all that shit we've all probably done that in our lives.
@@jovanJojo797 exactly they don't have morals at all until it is taught to them which is why we're evil by nature
It doesn't concludes that humans are evil, it just indicates the desire within every human to feel special/superior and hold power even if it is an illusion. For this,people get ready to compromise with their past believes and morality too.
Wouldn't say that makes us born evil. People whom abuse this are evil, but those who are manipulated by it aren't.
Easily manipulated people are evil. Skeptical people are the only good ones. The sooner society realizes this the sooner cults and religions die off.
"but those who are manipulated by it aren't."
Google "banality of evil."
"I'm not a bad person, I was just following orders!"
Uhm no they're just as evil
Wtf are you talking about
You know who else were just following orders?
I'm thankful that one of my teachers showed us the movie version of this experiment in class. It prepped me to spot authoritarianism later in life, no matter how it cloaked itself in compassion or tolerance. I knew too well the stench of people who aren't acting out of love, but an addiction to bullying others while feeling like righteous angels.
“Which is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort” -paarthurnax
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@@TheEniqma informative video, misleading title, also misleading to suggest facism is always evil. Oswald Mosley was very against war and Facist Spain also didn't join any wars. It's kinda like saying Democracy is evil because America invaded the middle east for oil. It's not just about the government, but the people in charge of it. There are also many democracies that are incredibly xenophobic, Japan being a prime example. Rwanda had its genocide due to the tyranny of the majority in a democracy...
This is actually kind of terrifying to think about
I was brought up in a religion that teaches that we are-indeed-born evil (into sin), so the idea isn't new to me. Still, it's always shocking to hear this story and see the hidden malice of humans come out so quickly. It's amazing how we can convince even ourselves that we're good people, when so many of us would become so fascist so quickly in the right circumstances.
You cannot know if a board is strong enough to hold your weight until you step on it. Once you do, if it snaps, it was always rotten; you just didn't know it until now.
i was also raised catholic!
schrödinger’s board
I mean I know people that are as pure as can be but you still believe their born evil?
As someone who's left my religion, I do believe humans have the capacity for good, just as well as evil. The only reason why humans tend to gravitate towards evil is simply because of how people's minds is easily changed by literally anything: the world, the past, the circumstances in life, their needs and wants, other people's evils, their traumas, etc. Or because of their limited ability to fully understand one another.
Anyways, it's important to note that countering evil is also important.
@user-sq2qr8kk4k I know that but it's basically saying everyone even if they have done nothing wrong for their whole life is born a sinner, how does that make sense?
You were born to radiate confidence, self-respect, and inner harmony.
We are born wanting to fit in, and we are born wanting to be accepted by those around us. That inherent drive and want is what continually gets us into trouble when intermingling
It just shows how easily fragile we are, easily manipulated we can be. I like to think we aren’t born good or evil, definitely having morals for the most of us and I guess you can define that as being born good but we are like clay, we can be molded into anything and that itself can be a scary thing.
We're evil but we try to blame somebody else.
We are born like every other creature in nature.
Amoral and selfish.
Conditioning changes this.
@@neilreynolds3858 i never met an evil baby. Do You?
@juliearien4679 damn!!! 8 years old serial killer? First time i heard something like that! Whats his name?
@@neilreynolds3858prove it
So we aren't born evil, we just want to be a part of something big no matter how bad it is.
Still sounds evil to me…
@@DarkKnight-rv5do not actually. It isn't necessary to like it and follow the others.
Yeah it is a loaded statement "born evil". They didn't start that way and it was not a default. Social beings evolved to be social do their best to not be ostracized, exiled, or killed. Not exactly ground breaking.
All I'm hearing is good posture, a sense of community, strength, discipline and a sense of fulfillment. Oh, and a bunch of people who still think "Good vs. Evil" is a real thing.
I was having difficulties believing how someone could follow Hitler. I feel so stupid after this, great video!
This experiment is stupid.
there are lots of discord cults out there, the system of ranks they did and the feel of an actual interaction can give really make losers feel included
Bro at this point if I hear a chill teacher suddenly get aggressive I’d probably ask them if they’d had their coffee today or not.
The kicker to me is just how fast it escalated. 1 and 2 were tame, 3 was a little much for a project but still tame, and 4-5 came out of no where.
Considering everything in this experiment we can't really extrapolate any conclusions with any certainty
i remember reading something written by Claire Wolfe many years ago which started out - evil came to my door today disguised as an old woman, who was simply trying to do some minor task given to her that seemed benign. it was a census taker asking a dozen questions she didn't need the answers to but was told to ask.
(i likely have the exact wording off a bit) but that's all it takes to start the erosion of liberty, well-meaning people following simple directives that slightly reduce other's freedom.
The latest was the Census Bureau asking me questions about my school age children. The only purpose of the Bureau is to do a head count so the right number of congress members can be apportioned for each state. That's it. They have no other Constitutional purpose and yet they're asking me about school age children.
I just re-watched this video. It reminded me of the other social experiments that happened at colleges. The Milligram Experiment where someone in charge of a study kept on giving orders that the person giving wrong answers needed to be shocked each time with the levels of shock becoming increasingly dangerous and threatening to kill the person in the other room. The majority of the people just kept following orders. There was also the Stanford Prison experiment where students played the roles of guards and prisoners, and those who were the guards acted like guards who felt they had to control the prisoners. In a sense it all proves that we're all capable of doing something evil if those we give power too order us to do it. The ability of dissent is a healthy one because it can bring us back from these instances, but it is also rare and that alone is scary.
Wait a minute…. This doesn’t mean anything! Wtf? The professor agreed to play a game with his students and was surprised when people followed the rules?? That sounds like a blast and I would have loved to join it for the shear fun. That’s like setting up a game of Monopoly and being shocked that no one cheated.
This is the equivalent of saying LARPing is the same as actual murder.
That's the scary part about this.
A better conclusion is that peoples were too submissive!
If most of them were really good,they would go against the rules if said rules were doing evil!
Meanwhile when someone goes against rules that should make a nice game,is ussualy easy to conclude that said someone was a bad person!
@@maestrulgamer9695 Did you watch the video? People did try to rebel, but they were shunned and punished. For everyone else, that would be enough to silence and get them to be complacent out of sheer fear of the consequences, as was the case in every totalitarian regime. That was the whole point of the video: that otherwise good people can be capable of committing evil acts when put in the wrong environment, and you should learn from these cases in order to avoid more situations like them in the future.
With the kind of outlook you have, you'll find that not only are most people bad, but that so are you and the ones you love.
U call them afraid,i call them submissive.
Also,why just to the conclusion that i would be bad?This defensive reaction is really telling!🤨
It's crazy that you could be so willfully ignorant that you'd actually condone psychological manipulation of other people's children.
It doesn't prove we are all born evil. At best it suggests we can be manipulated to think in a particular way.
this is based of a movie which is great
@@cillianryan1065 You mean the movie came 1st then the research?
My son's first grade teacher does a version of this by selecting students to be "noise monitor" or "hall monitor" . It's very insidious and encourages tattletale behavior and authoritism vs working together for solutions.
Assuming anything else just prepares us for failure.
Assuming we are inherently good puts any and all responsibility on others.
"I am a good person so someone or something made me evil"
It also makes us fall into evil behavior because we arent aware of its presence.
Know that you are capable of evil, more than you would expect and do what you can to stay good.
makes no sense. The person who assumes that "I am born evil" can very easily blame the creator. I was born this way. No fault of my own
@@srivastavashivam949 You managed to understand that going from one extreme to the other extreme is still bad.
But I never suggested that people should think they are born evil, just that they aren't born inherently good.
I wish general education in high school taught the brown eye/blue eye experiment - we're probably not allowed to actually do it anymore due to psychological damage. Also, the Milgram experiment. Perhaps it is too much for people to handle. Not to mention the results of the Stanford prison experiment. I've had a lifelong interest in psychology. I appreciate knowing this information.
Happens today all the time. For real. White children, many of whom are blue eyed. are taught they are lesser and internetly evil. Starting in grade school and accelerating all the way up to post secondary education.
We have an entire generation today who have effectively been taught to hate an entire race.
Confidence and authority is what makes someone so great, great enough to even become evil infront of the eyes of the good...
Good and evil are merely concepts. Nobody is either. Everyone is in a grey zone. I do agree with many observations made, though. Good video, mate
Neither concept exists in nature. They are constructs that we created to benefit ourselves as a species. They are not inherent and must be taught. What we typically describe as "evil" is merely natural animal behavior that we don't like.
@@AngryReptileKeeper Exactly. Good and evil are subjective. Nature only has survival. It is not evil for a lion to consume his prey for it is for his survival. Morality only developed when we as humans became an intelligent species. With a more intelligent mind, we questioned if certain actions or concepts carried positive or negative undertones of, creating morality.
Known Western concepts of good and evil include things like democratic states and police states. However, we only created these concepts from our experiences as a people. American Revolution, French Revolution, numerous wars. Those created good and evil to also include freedom versus authority.
I guess what I am trying to say is that morality is subjective and police states may be seen as good to one group of people and bad to another. In the end, no state is inherently good or evil, they are only assigned morality because of our emotion/morality-based minds.
@@AngryReptileKeeper that was very well put!
Good and evil are not subjective, but rather objective. Everybody knows that killing is wrong, nobody contests that. That is an objective standard that is agreed upon by every person.
Subjective morality does not exist.
@@fatstrategist Your statement is detached from reality. Good and Evil are not objective; the concepts are only useful insofar as they can be materialistically defined by a group in such a way that the application thereof aids in the pursuit of that groups goals. "Everybody knows that killing is wrong" is an interesting overgeneralization; I would more specifically say that the majority of groups' goals are not best or ideally pursued via killing in the opinion of said groups, and even so, that certainly does not apply to *every* person/group. While your *false* claim about the unanimity in opinion of whether killing is "good" or "evil" would prove that subjective morality is not *absolute* , it does nothing at all to disprove the *existence* of subjective morality.
I know alot of people out there, wether or wether not they actually have studied social psychology, are going to try to explain all of this. As a social science student, who has passed psychology with a B, I can try to explain.
*By calling them a community and shaping them togheter he made an ingroup, he established his own authority as the leader, hence, they follow him. The rest is history.*
I remember finding the book about this experiment in middle school. It was a very interesting book and helped me shed some of my ignorant prejudiced ideas.
I don't think this video has evidence that people are born evil, but are capable of committing atrocities through socialization and group dynamics. Showing that it is a learned behavior rather than something innate
I read this book once in class.
"Die Welle", while it was pretty boring due to it being during school and forced.
It's still pretty good to get reminded on how people can be manipulated, by just one single person (in power?) with enough authority.
If we are born evil then I think that its great, because it means for a person to be kind, he must go against the very nature of what it is to be human, and I think thats amazing.
Yes, me too!
Not to mention that it's rare.
Man this video is pretty good, I was expecting you to have more subscribers.
By the way the background audio was a little too loud so do turn it down in the future, other than that the video was fantastic.
Thanks! I'm gonna get there pretty soon 😁 and also for the feedback, I just noticed it
That doesn't mean that people are born evil. It means that we are born with the possibility of being evil.
It's totally right, we are so dominated by social pressures and fears that it is always easier to go with the flow. But it doesn't mean that man is, at his core, evil. I would rather say that it seems to us the easiest way out to label ourselves as beings not free and determined by our psychological disposition. That is the best justification for being evil.
dude: let's roleplay a police state in our school
student: school and community became a police state miniature
dude: *pikachu face*
Lol.
This reminds me of a stand-up routine I heard of, performed by a German comedian. He comes on stage to a recording of a band playing oompah music, and points to a couple of plants in the audience, telling them to applaud. After doing this a couple of times, he tells everyone to applaud.
After the song finishes and the applause dies down, he says. "That was a N4zi anthem, the Horst Wessel lied. Congratulations, you all just made the same mistake we did in the 30s!"
Lol. Where is it?
that makes no sense. what mistake did they make, applauding to music? third reichrose to power by making people applaud to music?
When talking about evil people, we often make the mistake of associating evil minds with sociopathy or psychopathy, an indifference to suffering and pain in others. True evil in people is when they are aware of the pain and suffering, the nature of it, and even the guilt and pain they inflict on themselves by doing such, yet do it in spite of their awareness.
Sociopathy and psychopathy are entirely friviolous labels that are no better then an astrology sign and shoudl be treated as such.
I'm tired of hearing about how someone can't help being evil or doing evil because "insert entierly unprovable quasi scientific headshrink babble here".
Almost every person has their regrets in any capacity. This guy, Ron Jones, is no exception, and boy, it was massive.
As someone who was mercilessly bullied since early childhood(from 5-6 years of age) I cannot even imagine feeling drawn towards such movements. On the other hand I can see my bullies justifying themselves in this way. Maybe it was my upbringing why I never once felt part of a community in my entire life. Communities, especially male communities are based on authority, individual respect, and social success, often in the price of righteousness, conscience and consideration. In a way their natural course ends in similar totalitarian system.
Totalitarianism isn't entirely evil
The people who submit to blind authority, and thankfully they are few and far between, are capable of truly horrific acts.
Look at what happened to the woman who created women's shelters. The feminists, that cult of lunatics lead by filthy rich perverts basically all pampered well taken care of lesbians and lesbian pedophiles and government agents.
She had the AUDACITY to say men and boys need a shelter too.
They threatened to kill her her family her children and ultimately BUTCHERED her dog.
She's still afraid of coming back to america and those scum are still threatening her life.
There were no men in this organization.
Evil just as good organizes.
And evil infiltrates any organization and turns it to it's own end.
And evil organizations can be repaired and used for good.
The idea that men are inherently evil is perversion.
ive always felt like an outlier amongst others. ive grown up with both parents lying to me about one another and my mom lying about addiction. so ive been relatively good at seeing deception. for some reason i can just look at a person and know whats in their heart. what they're feeling, if there's malicious or deceptive intent. ive always stood for morals and what is right, not by mans law but by this morality, do not kill, be humble and kind to one another, protect those that need protecting, give to others without expecting anything in return, only harm to save your life but never take life, cherish those around you even if they dont cherish you, be mindful of what you say for words cut deeper than a knife, love and respect those who do not show you the same, and if someone where to sue me id let them take my tunic as well. people aren't born evil, no.... people become evil through pain, indoctrination, propaganda, and having basic humanity taken from them, a person can be kind loving and compassionate but all it could take is one to a few people that will cause immense pain or trauma and that compassionate person becomes evil and harms others. theres powers and principalities at work in society, they want to kill steal and destroy, but we dont have to follow in others footsteps, we can be loving and compassionate without violence, love one another dont hate. hate only leads to more hate
I agree with you
Same
I agree I feel like an outlier always being the kind caring person but humans have been so brutal to me that I feel like am jaded or broken I don't like people anymore or want to be near them I would much rather live in an island far from society
@@tfkdandsvkc you can't blame everyone forever based on your past experiences. Everyone is different. I truly understand what you are saying. It's hard to pull out of that when you lose faith in others. I hope you come to find a friend or two in yourself, and just know, you literally have an enormous universe inside yourself. A whole infrastructure of living parts working hard for you! You are FAR from alone! Hope you find just one good friend and/or dedicate yourself to a pet. Cool things are brewing! Best wishes!
@@Fido-vm9zi thanks 👍 been feeling extremely lonely and lost in life especially when it comes to humans since they have been a source of my pain but other than that I actually love life alot I love nature I love traveling alone but I still don't like people they are very scary to me but life is still beautiful as I enjoy many other things that don't involve people
"Gods don't need followers - followers need gods."
- Ornn (League of Legends)
Have a couple religious/demonic experiences you'd end up tryng to find information about god
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This didn’t prove that humans are born evil, only how easy it is to twist the common man and especially the child just with what they learn from their environment and who they learn from.
Everyone in the comments making cases about whether or not we're technically evil is kinda missing the point, in my opinion. The point is that even if you don't consider people or even these people to be evil (in whole or in part), your very normal hearts and minds are so easily twisted in service to it. Even if you don't think you're evil, your drives and indolence can be the tools that perpetuate it.
Half the comments are people who are missing the point because they don't want to admit that they're vulnerable to cult-like group-think. That would require self reflection which terrifies them.
Yeah but were all born babies.
Babies are technically good becasue they're defenseless, nutritional snacks if left alone 😂 that bring happiness no anyone who encounter us.
Yeah technically evil if you feed a monster but hey, ying-yang, infinite paradox
@@fartmnms Lmao nice one
From what I’ve read so far, everyone claiming that humans aren’t born evil would agree with you. It’s not necessarily that humans are born evil, just that humans can learn and be persuaded to do bad.
The title cant be more wrong. We all are born with the capacity of evil, but not evil per se. Huge difference, but clicks are better i guess.
Imagine he just kept it going until he took over the world
Can't wait for hoi4 mod for this.
@@golonkowiczpl greetings comrade. Member of California DSA here, which chapter are you from?
@@seanhartnett79 Poland, Europe
@@golonkowiczpl interesting.
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I've been an abnormal outsider for a long time.
I've also had near constant desires to hurt people, for a long time.
There is a multitude of voices in my head, like a council meeting, and it paralyzes me.
It keeps me from succeeding. But it also keeps me from acting upon horrible thoughts.
Despite it all I feel a desperate need to belong, to fit in.
All of it seems to be pointing toward AI.
The singularity.
A hope for a new world without suffering.
But what would I pay, or take, to get there?
I ask myself this damn near every day.
Humanity is not inherently evil.
Humanity is inherently natural, and nature knows no such concepts.
Every day we strive to be better than what we are, that too is our nature.
Yet,no one speaks about the genocide taking place in Gaza,the atrocities took place in Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan.....Everything will be paid properly when the time comes
Being good takes effort, while being evil comes natural. This is why evil always wins in the end and why most people are evil. Selfishness is natural.