Took longer than expected to make this episode. So for those of you who were patiently waiting for an episode, from the bottom of my heart, thank you! 🙆🏻♂️✨
Disturbing how easy we slide into an apathic or aggressive response to one another suffering. Good video, great subject matter and luck to you on this website.
Interesante video, creo que hasta en historias de videojuegos han puesto eso de otra perspectiva más fácil de entender pero me temo que termina callendo en el problema de olvidar los mismos principios del renacimiento fallido de oxidente, hasta migala lo tuvo que corregir, falta ver como será el segundo renacimiento de la humanidad no de occidente eurocentralista opinión personal.
A thing that EVERYBODY should commit to mind and memory: FREEDOM IS NOT NEGOTIABLE! Never, ever give up Freedom for security or some other perceived or paraded bullshit.
reminds me of this quote i can't find, but it goes something like this: "You don't have to be evil to do evil things. You just have to let evilness happen"
@@PsiJuicu no shit Sherlock, this man explained the most basic idea ever to you and you think that justifies shit? Don’t insult your intelligence unless you actually believe the Nazis knew they were evil and relished in it, in which case it isn’t merely an insult it’s the honest truth of your intelligence
Because people are evil. Why do we get persuaded by authority? Because they offer something we want or want to hear. People aren't as dumb as they think they are, but they choose to close their ears to certain things. They say, let me just get through this hurdle, if I can get through this period of hardship then I will do something good. The time then never comes
While you're reasoning is correct, I do not agree with the conclusion. Most people are born with sympathy that can be overridden by our inherent desire to fit in. That does not mean we are evil, in fact, I'd say it makes us inherently good. But, that goodness is fragile. And, it goes back to the age old adage "Hell is paved with good intentions". Evil regimes such as that of the Nazis were built upon the fundamentally good goal of creating utopia. That and dehumanization is how they could justify their actions. They did believe what they were doing is right. So I would say that stupidity is a major part of that.@@yeshuaislord6880
@@BygoneTjust because one experiment tested something, doesn't mean one experiment can't test the same thing. We are easily persuaded not only by authority, but by a sense of tribalism. Humans aren't intrinsically evil, no matter how much doomer ideologies want to tell you that. What this experiment shows that, humans are willing to protect those they feel tribalistically inclined towards and that we go to great lengths to protect them, even if it means being blinded to the morality of their actions. The people who tend to rebel, are those who view the prescribed encompassing dogma, and resist against it for whatever reason, and once again they may be blinded to morals to see that happen.
Anyone that has been bullied in school will not have a hard time understanding that people will do bad things if they can get away with it. People will readily exclude others so they can feel special.
Human nature to form groups, usually exclusive groups. It gives a sense of community AND uniqueness when usually those two things contradict. This makes group forming particularly powerful.
a teacher creates new ideology: other teachers *calm* the same teacher creates a new salute: other teachers *calm* the ideology grows fast: other teachers *calm* parents don't want their child to go to school because the ideology: other teachers *calm* absences increase: other teachers *calm* the students assign themselves as guards: other teachers *calm* the members of the ideology exile people to the library: other teachers *calm* 3 students get beaten due to ideology: other teachers *calm* the teacher dissolves ideology: other teachers *calm*
Prity much. Most schools are actually really incompetent at basic things. A while back a tone of kids ended up drinking floor cleaner instead of mike because: the milk and floor cleaner were delivered in almost identical bags, they were both stored in the same place, no one thought to check the labels when they were filling up the machines, and because when several students came to the teachers saying that the milk was 'burny', the only thing that happened was that two teachers did a 'sniff test' of the odourless cleaner. Lots of kids wound up in hospital. The reality is that lots of teachers aren't very well trained or coordinated. Especially in the us were their basically paid minimum wage.
"But goodness alone is never enough. A hard, cold wisdom is required for goodness to accomplish good. Goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil." -Robert A. Heinlein, _Stranger In A Strange Land_
"Man is what he is, a wild animal with the will to survive, and (so far) the ability, against all competition. Unless one accepts that, anything one says about morals, war, politics-you name it-is nonsense. Correct morals arise from knowing what man is-not what do-gooders and well-meaning old Aunt Nellies would like him to be." -Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
Its not about good or bad, but value. Its also good if you born good, but if you were born evil and overcame evil nature it is still good but the value of goodness is greater in second case.
@@silverhawkscape2677 that’s the thing nobody is born good we All are Evil sinners but is our choice what defines us between good & bad so we humans have half good & half bad we are Antihero’s that’s human nature the bible tells us that before in genesis that humans used to have a mind like babies our first parents were not antihero’s they were Good until our first fathers & mothers were deceived by the devil & ate the forbidden fruit from the tree of intelligence the devil offered to us to be like God but for a price Eve & Adam ate the apple & later learn what is right & wrong & humans naturally became sinners & evil so they couldn’t stay in the garden of eden of eternal life that’s why humans now in days feed on chaos & we love it & the thing is we all deserve to die but if it wasn’t for Jesus who gave his life on the cross we wouldn’t be saved so we’re all evil & to be judged
I read a book about this and over the time I was weirdly convinced of his idea and felt the sense of community alongside with the students. I was even mad at the few students who stood up against the Third Wave. Imagine how shocked I was at the end and more shocked when I reflected on what I just believed was right.
When we studied nazi germany in class, we also read "the wave"(a book based on this case) in another class. Really helped to understand how easy it is to slip into such behaviour and how to spot it
Ironically, the results undermined Ron Jones's position as a teacher. Liberals believe teachers should be influential, uniquely praised and even trusted above the parents in many cases! In the past, including in Germany, teachers were more like tutors who taught you facts in a group setting. They were given respect, but not like in a liberal democracy. And the fact is, Ron Jones taught these kids good things. Discipline, honor, duty. All these things have been universally recognized as positives goods since time immemorial. This isn't what made fascism unique, lol. Hell even communists of the 20's agreed with fascism on that.
There is also a film adaptation of this experiment, filmed by none others than Germans. It's called Die Welle (or The Wave), and it's a perfect recreation of the experiment, with a little twist at the end. If you've found this video fascinating, I highly recommend you to watch the movie.
@@c.s.christopher5801It was a show of how people could easily dehumanize others and become sadistic rather than this experiment, which shows how more nuanced aspects of fascism can come about through social engineering. So I don't think it fully applies here.
I love how people keep coming up with polar opposite ideals one after another, nearly perfectly avoiding the obvious all the time. It is not that we were born good, or bad. We are born with potential for both, and actually it is the best if we can expand into both. Know what good and what extent of bad we can do - it makes strong people.
Humans aren't born evil or good, because whole concept of evil and good is created by humans. We aren't born with inherent knowledge what is good and what is bad.
Bad teacher. Life is my teacher. People are neither bad nor good, but others interfere and mold people however people choose what to believe through experience and obsevation
@@brialapoint2608 People aren't born neutral, well at least not exactly. The choice you're going to make in your life and the fact that you're going to be morally good, bad or neutral are almost entirely determined at your birth by your genetics. The only thing that can alter it, is your environnement (people, context etc) and it's only in a bad way (turning "good" in "bad")
@@Cesare-Borgia technically people are born good. Because as a baby you're just food for others and can't fend for yourself. You are born as a defenseless, good snack 😂
@@Cesare-BorgiaThat’s simply not true. You are not “predestined” to end up a certain way. It’s nature and nurture, and saying that nurture can only have a negative impact is completely asinine
One key thing you missed totally, the teacher used learned behavioral concepts to manipulate the students to act like that, it’s literally impossible to do this kind of test without at least 20 people who speak different languages and were born in different places
@@TheEniqma informative video, misleading title, also misleading to suggest facism is always evil. Oswald Mosley was very against war and Facist Spain also didn't join any wars. It's kinda like saying Democracy is evil because America invaded the middle east for oil. It's not just about the government, but the people in charge of it. There are also many democracies that are incredibly xenophobic, Japan being a prime example. Rwanda had its genocide due to the tyranny of the majority in a democracy...
It just shows how easily fragile we are, easily manipulated we can be. I like to think we aren’t born good or evil, definitely having morals for the most of us and I guess you can define that as being born good but we are like clay, we can be molded into anything and that itself can be a scary thing.
everyone looks for that meaning in life, to be part of something and the bigger the better, its not that we are evil but if we do not have a porpouse or life seems dark, when someone offers you a help or to give meaning to you, then you might follow them without much thinking, further more to people who you are an authority to
Wait a minute…. This doesn’t mean anything! Wtf? The professor agreed to play a game with his students and was surprised when people followed the rules?? That sounds like a blast and I would have loved to join it for the shear fun. That’s like setting up a game of Monopoly and being shocked that no one cheated. This is the equivalent of saying LARPing is the same as actual murder.
A better conclusion is that peoples were too submissive! If most of them were really good,they would go against the rules if said rules were doing evil! Meanwhile when someone goes against rules that should make a nice game,is ussualy easy to conclude that said someone was a bad person!
@@maestrulgamer9695 Did you watch the video? People did try to rebel, but they were shunned and punished. For everyone else, that would be enough to silence and get them to be complacent out of sheer fear of the consequences, as was the case in every totalitarian regime. That was the whole point of the video: that otherwise good people can be capable of committing evil acts when put in the wrong environment, and you should learn from these cases in order to avoid more situations like them in the future. With the kind of outlook you have, you'll find that not only are most people bad, but that so are you and the ones you love.
I was brought up in a religion that teaches that we are-indeed-born evil (into sin), so the idea isn't new to me. Still, it's always shocking to hear this story and see the hidden malice of humans come out so quickly. It's amazing how we can convince even ourselves that we're good people, when so many of us would become so fascist so quickly in the right circumstances. You cannot know if a board is strong enough to hold your weight until you step on it. Once you do, if it snaps, it was always rotten; you just didn't know it until now.
As someone who's left my religion, I do believe humans have the capacity for good, just as well as evil. The only reason why humans tend to gravitate towards evil is simply because of how people's minds is easily changed by literally anything: the world, the past, the circumstances in life, their needs and wants, other people's evils, their traumas, etc. Or because of their limited ability to fully understand one another. Anyways, it's important to note that countering evil is also important.
@user-sq2qr8kk4k I know that but it's basically saying everyone even if they have done nothing wrong for their whole life is born a sinner, how does that make sense?
The only real positive mote I can give this video is that it made me aware of the experiment, so i could go seek out better sources on it that weren't hyper dramatized with with a title and thumbnail so out of pocket that it makes me wonder if the video creator didnt miss the point of the experiment a bit.
I read this book once in class. "Die Welle", while it was pretty boring due to it being during school and forced. It's still pretty good to get reminded on how people can be manipulated, by just one single person (in power?) with enough authority.
Yeah it is a loaded statement "born evil". They didn't start that way and it was not a default. Social beings evolved to be social do their best to not be ostracized, exiled, or killed. Not exactly ground breaking.
This reminds me of a stand-up routine I heard of, performed by a German comedian. He comes on stage to a recording of a band playing oompah music, and points to a couple of plants in the audience, telling them to applaud. After doing this a couple of times, he tells everyone to applaud. After the song finishes and the applause dies down, he says. "That was a N4zi anthem, the Horst Wessel lied. Congratulations, you all just made the same mistake we did in the 30s!"
I know alot of people out there, wether or wether not they actually have studied social psychology, are going to try to explain all of this. As a social science student, who has passed psychology with a B, I can try to explain. *By calling them a community and shaping them togheter he made an ingroup, he established his own authority as the leader, hence, they follow him. The rest is history.*
That why hindu philosophy,sages and seer are there to keep us seperate from social groups because living in different kind of separate groups we humans became divided and it's not hard to spread hate by one man in a divided world to different communities, culture,race and religion.
Assuming anything else just prepares us for failure. Assuming we are inherently good puts any and all responsibility on others. "I am a good person so someone or something made me evil" It also makes us fall into evil behavior because we arent aware of its presence. Know that you are capable of evil, more than you would expect and do what you can to stay good.
@@srivastavashivam949 You managed to understand that going from one extreme to the other extreme is still bad. But I never suggested that people should think they are born evil, just that they aren't born inherently good.
All I'm hearing is good posture, a sense of community, strength, discipline and a sense of fulfillment. Oh, and a bunch of people who still think "Good vs. Evil" is a real thing.
I remember finding the book about this experiment in middle school. It was a very interesting book and helped me shed some of my ignorant prejudiced ideas.
ive always felt like an outlier amongst others. ive grown up with both parents lying to me about one another and my mom lying about addiction. so ive been relatively good at seeing deception. for some reason i can just look at a person and know whats in their heart. what they're feeling, if there's malicious or deceptive intent. ive always stood for morals and what is right, not by mans law but by this morality, do not kill, be humble and kind to one another, protect those that need protecting, give to others without expecting anything in return, only harm to save your life but never take life, cherish those around you even if they dont cherish you, be mindful of what you say for words cut deeper than a knife, love and respect those who do not show you the same, and if someone where to sue me id let them take my tunic as well. people aren't born evil, no.... people become evil through pain, indoctrination, propaganda, and having basic humanity taken from them, a person can be kind loving and compassionate but all it could take is one to a few people that will cause immense pain or trauma and that compassionate person becomes evil and harms others. theres powers and principalities at work in society, they want to kill steal and destroy, but we dont have to follow in others footsteps, we can be loving and compassionate without violence, love one another dont hate. hate only leads to more hate
I agree I feel like an outlier always being the kind caring person but humans have been so brutal to me that I feel like am jaded or broken I don't like people anymore or want to be near them I would much rather live in an island far from society
@@tfkdandsvkc you can't blame everyone forever based on your past experiences. Everyone is different. I truly understand what you are saying. It's hard to pull out of that when you lose faith in others. I hope you come to find a friend or two in yourself, and just know, you literally have an enormous universe inside yourself. A whole infrastructure of living parts working hard for you! You are FAR from alone! Hope you find just one good friend and/or dedicate yourself to a pet. Cool things are brewing! Best wishes!
@@Fido-vm9zi thanks 👍 been feeling extremely lonely and lost in life especially when it comes to humans since they have been a source of my pain but other than that I actually love life alot I love nature I love traveling alone but I still don't like people they are very scary to me but life is still beautiful as I enjoy many other things that don't involve people
It would be pretty interesting if he only got a few specific students to watch the presentation - then assigned the A grade to any of the students who manage to deconvert others from the Third Wave, or be deconverted without having attended the presentation. That would make it a pretty good test, I think
You know, what I find the most interesting is that people who see their perceived enemy will say it's "just like this (insert thing you dislike here)" but refuse to acknowledge that we all are in something like this. Its not one sided.
Reminds me of a German movie called "the wave". It was to me suggested by my German language tutor. Interesting movie, very thought provoking. The plot seems to draw heavily from this social experiment.
There's a difference between being born evil or being evil and being made evil. We as human beings have no way to really control what another does with the knowledge they possess over us. What we can control, however, is who we listen to. We as a society need to be able to recognize malicious patterns and get rid of them.
I have seen the movie inspired by this: « The Wave » (Die Welle), was released in 2009. I saw it in history class and it was a bit frightening to see the potential of malfeasance you could develop in a short span of time
My teacher in 8th grade did a similar experiment. Our school has uniforms, red shirts or blue shirts. Because red didn't really go with anyone's style not many people wore red in our grade. I remember we were being told to sit in desks according to our shirt color; blue or red. I sat first in the red section ignoring the rules because my friend was there and I wanted to talk to her, but then I moved to the blue section when the bell rang, but my stuff was still over by my friend. My teacher walked in and said, "For the rest of the class, you are going to be separated as red shirts and blue shirts." To me, that was BS. There were only three people in red shirts, two of which my good friends I was close with, so I got up and moved back to my seat. I told her I wasn't going to let a dumb rule based on color separate me from my friends and light wouldn't get between me and my relationships. Only one other person switched to the red side who was also wearing a blue shirt after what I said. One. In the other classes, no one switched sides and everyone was tricked. I was the only person in my grade to have gone against the rules. It scares me what would happen if I was in a fascist environment because I know I'll act out and put myself in danger.
One small issue: it didn't happen All the story comes from few movies and they come from Jones bragging decades later. All *authentic* evidence show everything went casual back then Even the made-up story is comical, it implies reader doesn't know most of those are just normal school tropes
I wouldn't say this means people are inherently evil. But when a person in a position of authority uses that to put people under duress people will act cruel in their own interest. I feel that its important to note that as the teacher he had pretty close to complete authority so the kids were predisposed to do as he said. He then provided them with an situation that seemed to be able to seriously effect their future. The kids were told if they participated to the best of their ability they would get an A, but if they attempted a revolution they would get either an A or an F dependent on wether or not it succeeded. Anyone with half a brain would see this and think "oh, well one way is a guarantee, the other has an incalculable potential for failure" and then go with the safe option. Not evil, just self interested.
As others pointed out, the video didn't prove what the thumbnail was saying. I'd say humans are generally born more good than neutral or evil, simply because humans (like other animals) are biologically social creatures. We're naturally more inclined towards things like love, empathy, and sympathy because its beneficial for society, as encouraged by our ancestors who survived by working in a society, using these traits to survive by caring for each other and passing them down to us.
Yes, we're herd animals. That's neither good nor bad it's just the nature of a species closely related to chimpanzees. If people would admit that there is such a thing as human nature, we wouldn't be so surprised by our own behavior.
It's very easy to see everyone on earth as evil but maybe that's not the case. Maybe we're all just misunderstood. However this doesn't excuse our actions. Genocide, brainwash, over the top censorship, and even blindly giving into these is wrong. Once we see the truth and learn from our mistakes only then could we better ourselves. Yes we all want a taste of power but that comes with great responsibility even as much as not many of us on earth have. Be careful who you give that power to or even what you do with it because in the wrong hands we might not get a second chance.
this is what it nearly got to in Australia over the vax and lockdowns, i had a friend that didnt want the vax and the way the public treated the unvaxed sickens me.Large amounts of the population called to round up the unvaxed and not allow them medical treatment etc . friends and family members calling for it. i tried pointing out this is exactly what the nazis did and they didnt care. It disturbs me to this day.
We are animals. And like animals, we tend to appear "good" (or tame, or domesticated) when things like food, water, shelter and safety are abundant and readily available. If they're not, we start to behave like animals and take it from others by force to ensure our own survival. I don't understand how so many people struggle with this fact.
@@AngryReptileKeeper Interesting take bro . U might be correct .but there r contradictions for example why homeless people are the nicest and they feel ur need better than riche people ?
This experiment describes my life experience. I often say, I don't worry about murderers and thieves. I worry about good people. Good people will commit the most grievous of sins against the people who are actually doing the right thing, betraying them, and giving power to the wicked so that they can have the power to silence anyone who would stand against them. Then those good people go home believing they are good. Because they think they're good, they can do great harm without remorse, and even deceive others into following their lead.
We are def born something you would call "evil" We are hardwired to stomp through others to survive and get enjoyment for humiliating other living things. The commendable thing is when someone overcomes this
Of course this experiment does not prove that people are evil. It proves that at least many of us are weak-willed and easily led. Speaking of which,, I would recommend Peter Singer and his views on human evil
This study doesn't prove that we were all born evil. It shows that we're all susceptible to influence by authority or an ideal (such as values), especially when there are variables such as peer pressure, frustration born out of economic disenfranchisement, etc. which reinforce the influencing factor. There's a big difference there. I.e. all else constant, what you're told is what you're led to believe, so then one would reason that if you were taught to live and do good, then you behave in kind, and vice versa. Another important takeaway is to better insulate from bad ideas by being taught to think critically and logically, especially earlier on in one's education.
We're not born evil so much as amoral and as predators designed to survive. Humans need to learn to be "good", this "good" being designated by our society.
It matters not how you’re born. Good, evil, poor, rich, happy, sad, or anything else… the only things that matter in life is finding your own reason to be good and your dreams.
You can bet these kids have never heard the concept of "I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees!". Man, just five days... kind of explains some recent movements...
as a normal human being i can guarantee you that if you are in a dark place you become a monster. always. Thats why there are so many radicals these days, im just happy for myself that i found happines in life
A lot of comments claiming this points out fragility, gullibilty, and weakness are only partially right. We are hard-wired to belong to a "tribe". This was critical to survival prior to agrarian society and it is easy to see endless examples of this today. It also explains why people will engage in obscene amounts of denial that something is wrong with their "tribe".
there is actually a movie about this experiment also. didn't expect the pexperiment to need a few days only. but regarding facism potential I think the milgram experiment is the most obvious one as nobody seemed to care askin when a peron is killed(at what voltage). This experiment here similiar to stanford seems to be more about general population and believe control. So some of these characteristics actually happen in sects, psychogroups and cults.
We are all born with good and evil, it’s just what we decide to do with them that makes us. Dr Jekyll and Me Hyde is basically the perfect example of this, as Dr Jekyll splits the good and evil into two separate sides, and leaves the evil to fester. Eventually, the evil becomes too powerful, and overtakes Dr Jekyll. You should not be evil, but keep it close to you and remember your flaws.
When i was a child i lacked the ability to feel empathy towards others somehow as i got older i became more empathetic i guess i became soft in a way which life forces us to be that way
I've heard this story before. It's apocryphal. That means it never really happened. There may be a kernel of truth to it, but it's at least mostly if not entirely made up.
I thought on this for a while, and the conclusion I came to was that, If an action benefits the society and the humankind (in both short and long term) it is considered good. However, if it brings harm to the society and its future or its members, it is considered evil. You might question, 'what about animal rights?' That only happens if you consider animals as a member of your own society.
We were born innocent and good when we were little babies we didn’t kill people we did not lie swear cheat lie or steal we were born innocent and good being evil is something we had to to choose to do or not do when we got older
Took longer than expected to make this episode. So for those of you who were patiently waiting for an episode, from the bottom of my heart, thank you! 🙆🏻♂️✨
Disturbing how easy we slide into an apathic or aggressive response to one another suffering. Good video, great subject matter and luck to you on this website.
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Interesante video, creo que hasta en historias de videojuegos han puesto eso de otra perspectiva más fácil de entender pero me temo que termina callendo en el problema de olvidar los mismos principios del renacimiento fallido de oxidente, hasta migala lo tuvo que corregir, falta ver como será el segundo renacimiento de la humanidad no de occidente eurocentralista opinión personal.
Creo que hasta la conversación con mitos antes de la pelea final del video juego tales of symphonia respondería a esto también.
"We give our freedom up for the chance of being special" This is deep.
Sounds very familiar.
A thing that EVERYBODY should commit to mind and memory: FREEDOM IS NOT NEGOTIABLE! Never, ever give up Freedom for security or some other perceived or paraded bullshit.
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@@geboeschtt9732 Within limits, or else you'll just become a Karen
People often forget that evil is not just the grand, large examples. It's the little things one justifies into a box they don't need to think about.
Although, it would be wrong to say that anyone is born evil. We're all born neutral. It's the environment that shapes us into who we are
People tend to believe what they were doing was right if they were taught since born.
@@mousesunset that doesn't make it right, so they were wrong
reminds me of this quote i can't find, but it goes something like this:
"You don't have to be evil to do evil things. You just have to let evilness happen"
@@PsiJuicu no shit Sherlock, this man explained the most basic idea ever to you and you think that justifies shit? Don’t insult your intelligence unless you actually believe the Nazis knew they were evil and relished in it, in which case it isn’t merely an insult it’s the honest truth of your intelligence
This isn't about if people are inherently evil. It's about how people are easily persuaded by authority.
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Because people are evil. Why do we get persuaded by authority? Because they offer something we want or want to hear. People aren't as dumb as they think they are, but they choose to close their ears to certain things. They say, let me just get through this hurdle, if I can get through this period of hardship then I will do something good. The time then never comes
While you're reasoning is correct, I do not agree with the conclusion. Most people are born with sympathy that can be overridden by our inherent desire to fit in. That does not mean we are evil, in fact, I'd say it makes us inherently good. But, that goodness is fragile.
And, it goes back to the age old adage "Hell is paved with good intentions". Evil regimes such as that of the Nazis were built upon the fundamentally good goal of creating utopia. That and dehumanization is how they could justify their actions. They did believe what they were doing is right. So I would say that stupidity is a major part of that.@@yeshuaislord6880
No. That's the milgram experiment. Don't cope.
@@BygoneTjust because one experiment tested something, doesn't mean one experiment can't test the same thing. We are easily persuaded not only by authority, but by a sense of tribalism. Humans aren't intrinsically evil, no matter how much doomer ideologies want to tell you that. What this experiment shows that, humans are willing to protect those they feel tribalistically inclined towards and that we go to great lengths to protect them, even if it means being blinded to the morality of their actions. The people who tend to rebel, are those who view the prescribed encompassing dogma, and resist against it for whatever reason, and once again they may be blinded to morals to see that happen.
This is why it's so important to question the authority
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@@TSERJI yet you never do
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Always start out skeptical, never biased towards one side or the other. It clouds proper judgement.
Anyone that has been bullied in school will not have a hard time understanding that people will do bad things if they can get away with it. People will readily exclude others so they can feel special.
AGREED.
That is true.
Human nature to form groups, usually exclusive groups. It gives a sense of community AND uniqueness when usually those two things contradict. This makes group forming particularly powerful.
As someone who is bullied in highschool I fvckin relate to this. I'm just now a misanthrope hating everyone
That makes us inherently evil, we're only good when we repeatedly face the harsh consequences of our evil actions.
a teacher creates new ideology: other teachers *calm*
the same teacher creates a new salute: other teachers *calm*
the ideology grows fast: other teachers *calm*
parents don't want their child to go to school because the ideology: other teachers *calm*
absences increase: other teachers *calm*
the students assign themselves as guards: other teachers *calm*
the members of the ideology exile people to the library: other teachers *calm*
3 students get beaten due to ideology: other teachers *calm*
the teacher dissolves ideology: other teachers *calm*
The teachers: just another day in the normal life! XD
Was waiting for a :Angry or something but it never came
the bullied kid fights back: other teachers
Prity much. Most schools are actually really incompetent at basic things. A while back a tone of kids ended up drinking floor cleaner instead of mike because: the milk and floor cleaner were delivered in almost identical bags, they were both stored in the same place, no one thought to check the labels when they were filling up the machines, and because when several students came to the teachers saying that the milk was 'burny', the only thing that happened was that two teachers did a 'sniff test' of the odourless cleaner. Lots of kids wound up in hospital. The reality is that lots of teachers aren't very well trained or coordinated. Especially in the us were their basically paid minimum wage.
That's California for ya.
imagine being the person who was sick for 6 days and missed all this
lmfao that would most likely be me
You ever miss the fascist uprising due to a bad cold
@@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472 happens all the time😔
Imagine beimg sick for 4 days and coming back to this 😅
That kid: NAZIS?!, THIRD WAVE?!, WW2?! I WAS GONE FOR 6 DAYS!!!, WHAT HAPPENED HERE?!?!?!
"But goodness alone is never enough. A hard, cold wisdom is required for goodness to accomplish good. Goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil."
-Robert A. Heinlein, _Stranger In A Strange Land_
"Man is what he is, a wild animal with the will to survive, and (so far) the ability, against all competition. Unless one accepts that, anything one says about morals, war, politics-you name it-is nonsense. Correct morals arise from knowing what man is-not what do-gooders and well-meaning old Aunt Nellies would like him to be." -Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
GOWDAYM THATS DEEP ASF
@@yasukeyato5915 And then the main character of that book starts a worldwide sex cult
@@TheVnator i didn't realise the quote was from "Stranger from a strange land" lmao
Well the alien did accomplish something 😂
@@TheVnator THE STRANGE LAND ONE???? I WANNA READ
“What is better - To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?” ~Paarthurnax, Skyrim
What's better is to be good and overcome all obstacles that make you evil regardless if you were born good or not.
Its not about good or bad, but value. Its also good if you born good, but if you were born evil and overcame evil nature it is still good but the value of goodness is greater in second case.
The latter is far more admirable, in my opinion.
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@@silverhawkscape2677 that’s the thing nobody is born good we All are Evil sinners but is our choice what defines us between good & bad so we humans have half good & half bad we are Antihero’s that’s human nature the bible tells us that before in genesis that humans used to have a mind like babies our first parents were not antihero’s they were Good until our first fathers & mothers were deceived by the devil & ate the forbidden fruit from the tree of intelligence the devil offered to us to be like God but for a price Eve & Adam ate the apple & later learn what is right & wrong & humans naturally became sinners & evil so they couldn’t stay in the garden of eden of eternal life that’s why humans now in days feed on chaos & we love it & the thing is we all deserve to die but if it wasn’t for Jesus who gave his life on the cross we wouldn’t be saved so we’re all evil & to be judged
No, we born neutral, nothing Is evil, It's the enviroment and the social standard of society who born and live Who plaged themselves.
You don't need to teach a person how to lie.
Read the bible
Everyone is born as a sinner but baptism makes them neutral and later on with life they commit sins
@@MACTEP13377 op is right
@@MACTEP13377 who.... asked.
I read a book about this and over the time I was weirdly convinced of his idea and felt the sense of community alongside with the students. I was even mad at the few students who stood up against the Third Wave. Imagine how shocked I was at the end and more shocked when I reflected on what I just believed was right.
When we studied nazi germany in class, we also read "the wave"(a book based on this case) in another class. Really helped to understand how easy it is to slip into such behaviour and how to spot it
Its fake news, the wave is debunked but it fits a capitalist democratic narrative
There’s also a movie based on it
I believe the root of the problem is the lack of questioning, but mainly the TABOO around questioning.
Ironically, the results undermined Ron Jones's position as a teacher.
Liberals believe teachers should be influential, uniquely praised and even trusted above the parents in many cases!
In the past, including in Germany, teachers were more like tutors who taught you facts in a group setting. They were given respect, but not like in a liberal democracy.
And the fact is, Ron Jones taught these kids good things. Discipline, honor, duty. All these things have been universally recognized as positives goods since time immemorial. This isn't what made fascism unique, lol. Hell even communists of the 20's agreed with fascism on that.
Found this from Reddit, really impressed with the quality of the video for such a small channel. Keep making videos and I will be watching more.
Thanks for the support 😊
@@TheEniqma I like the soundtrack, did you make it?
Thanks! I wish I did but no. It's by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio, do drop him some love
@@TheEniqma Nice video too! I learn and its fun.
@@anniedufresne9409 Glad you enjoyed it!
There is also a film adaptation of this experiment, filmed by none others than Germans. It's called Die Welle (or The Wave), and it's a perfect recreation of the experiment, with a little twist at the end. If you've found this video fascinating, I highly recommend you to watch the movie.
Would sound more friendly if it was Die Wink (The Wave)
Stanford prison experiment is a more interesting, more famous example of this
@@c.s.christopher5801not really
@@mathewisbrutsk335 ya rly
@@c.s.christopher5801It was a show of how people could easily dehumanize others and become sadistic rather than this experiment, which shows how more nuanced aspects of fascism can come about through social engineering. So I don't think it fully applies here.
I love how people keep coming up with polar opposite ideals one after another, nearly perfectly avoiding the obvious all the time. It is not that we were born good, or bad. We are born with potential for both, and actually it is the best if we can expand into both. Know what good and what extent of bad we can do - it makes strong people.
“Which is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort” -paarthurnax
I remembered my teacher in high school once told us that humans are born evil and are learn to be good. This video gave me nostalgia from that class.
Humans aren't born evil or good, because whole concept of evil and good is created by humans. We aren't born with inherent knowledge what is good and what is bad.
Bad teacher. Life is my teacher. People are neither bad nor good, but others interfere and mold people however people choose what to believe through experience and obsevation
@@brialapoint2608 People aren't born neutral, well at least not exactly. The choice you're going to make in your life and the fact that you're going to be morally good, bad or neutral are almost entirely determined at your birth by your genetics. The only thing that can alter it, is your environnement (people, context etc) and it's only in a bad way (turning "good" in "bad")
@@Cesare-Borgia technically people are born good. Because as a baby you're just food for others and can't fend for yourself.
You are born as a defenseless, good snack 😂
@@Cesare-BorgiaThat’s simply not true. You are not “predestined” to end up a certain way. It’s nature and nurture, and saying that nurture can only have a negative impact is completely asinine
This does not show we are born evil, it shows students are impressionable
imagine being sick and missing all this
I would be like "What the hell happened!? What were y'all thinking!?"
You must be really sick to miss 5 days of school
@@ohnoanyway6096 I missed 2.5 months of school because of a arm fracture (my left dominant hand was fractured making me unable to write)
@@haven_lady675 "I can't even leave you alone for five days?!"
One key thing you missed totally, the teacher used learned behavioral concepts to manipulate the students to act like that, it’s literally impossible to do this kind of test without at least 20 people who speak different languages and were born in different places
Its a crime that this channel doesnt have more subscribers
"So, kids, instead of learning fractions today, you're all going to learn how to start a cult!"
This is such an underrated channel, this really goes to show to an extent of how the third german reich came to be
Glad you like my videos 😊
@@TheEniqma informative video, misleading title, also misleading to suggest facism is always evil. Oswald Mosley was very against war and Facist Spain also didn't join any wars. It's kinda like saying Democracy is evil because America invaded the middle east for oil. It's not just about the government, but the people in charge of it. There are also many democracies that are incredibly xenophobic, Japan being a prime example. Rwanda had its genocide due to the tyranny of the majority in a democracy...
It just shows how easily fragile we are, easily manipulated we can be. I like to think we aren’t born good or evil, definitely having morals for the most of us and I guess you can define that as being born good but we are like clay, we can be molded into anything and that itself can be a scary thing.
We're evil but we try to blame somebody else.
We are born like every other creature in nature.
Amoral and selfish.
Conditioning changes this.
@@neilreynolds3858 i never met an evil baby. Do You?
@juliearien4679 damn!!! 8 years old serial killer? First time i heard something like that! Whats his name?
@@neilreynolds3858prove it
Wouldn't say that makes us born evil. People whom abuse this are evil, but those who are manipulated by it aren't.
Easily manipulated people are evil. Skeptical people are the only good ones. The sooner society realizes this the sooner cults and religions die off.
"but those who are manipulated by it aren't."
Google "banality of evil."
"I'm not a bad person, I was just following orders!"
Uhm no they're just as evil
Wtf are you talking about
You know who else were just following orders?
everyone looks for that meaning in life, to be part of something and the bigger the better, its not that we are evil but if we do not have a porpouse or life seems dark, when someone offers you a help or to give meaning to you, then you might follow them without much thinking, further more to people who you are an authority to
Wait a minute…. This doesn’t mean anything! Wtf? The professor agreed to play a game with his students and was surprised when people followed the rules?? That sounds like a blast and I would have loved to join it for the shear fun. That’s like setting up a game of Monopoly and being shocked that no one cheated.
This is the equivalent of saying LARPing is the same as actual murder.
That's the scary part about this.
A better conclusion is that peoples were too submissive!
If most of them were really good,they would go against the rules if said rules were doing evil!
Meanwhile when someone goes against rules that should make a nice game,is ussualy easy to conclude that said someone was a bad person!
@@maestrulgamer9695 Did you watch the video? People did try to rebel, but they were shunned and punished. For everyone else, that would be enough to silence and get them to be complacent out of sheer fear of the consequences, as was the case in every totalitarian regime. That was the whole point of the video: that otherwise good people can be capable of committing evil acts when put in the wrong environment, and you should learn from these cases in order to avoid more situations like them in the future.
With the kind of outlook you have, you'll find that not only are most people bad, but that so are you and the ones you love.
U call them afraid,i call them submissive.
Also,why just to the conclusion that i would be bad?This defensive reaction is really telling!🤨
It's crazy that you could be so willfully ignorant that you'd actually condone psychological manipulation of other people's children.
I was brought up in a religion that teaches that we are-indeed-born evil (into sin), so the idea isn't new to me. Still, it's always shocking to hear this story and see the hidden malice of humans come out so quickly. It's amazing how we can convince even ourselves that we're good people, when so many of us would become so fascist so quickly in the right circumstances.
You cannot know if a board is strong enough to hold your weight until you step on it. Once you do, if it snaps, it was always rotten; you just didn't know it until now.
i was also raised catholic!
schrödinger’s board
I mean I know people that are as pure as can be but you still believe their born evil?
As someone who's left my religion, I do believe humans have the capacity for good, just as well as evil. The only reason why humans tend to gravitate towards evil is simply because of how people's minds is easily changed by literally anything: the world, the past, the circumstances in life, their needs and wants, other people's evils, their traumas, etc. Or because of their limited ability to fully understand one another.
Anyways, it's important to note that countering evil is also important.
@user-sq2qr8kk4k I know that but it's basically saying everyone even if they have done nothing wrong for their whole life is born a sinner, how does that make sense?
Confidence and authority is what makes someone so great, great enough to even become evil infront of the eyes of the good...
This is actually kind of terrifying to think about
The kicker to me is just how fast it escalated. 1 and 2 were tame, 3 was a little much for a project but still tame, and 4-5 came out of no where.
The only real positive mote I can give this video is that it made me aware of the experiment, so i could go seek out better sources on it that weren't hyper dramatized with with a title and thumbnail so out of pocket that it makes me wonder if the video creator didnt miss the point of the experiment a bit.
I read this book once in class.
"Die Welle", while it was pretty boring due to it being during school and forced.
It's still pretty good to get reminded on how people can be manipulated, by just one single person (in power?) with enough authority.
So we aren't born evil, we just want to be a part of something big no matter how bad it is.
Still sounds evil to me…
@@DarkKnight-rv5do not actually. It isn't necessary to like it and follow the others.
Yeah it is a loaded statement "born evil". They didn't start that way and it was not a default. Social beings evolved to be social do their best to not be ostracized, exiled, or killed. Not exactly ground breaking.
This reminds me of a stand-up routine I heard of, performed by a German comedian. He comes on stage to a recording of a band playing oompah music, and points to a couple of plants in the audience, telling them to applaud. After doing this a couple of times, he tells everyone to applaud.
After the song finishes and the applause dies down, he says. "That was a N4zi anthem, the Horst Wessel lied. Congratulations, you all just made the same mistake we did in the 30s!"
Lol. Where is it?
that makes no sense. what mistake did they make, applauding to music? third reichrose to power by making people applaud to music?
I know alot of people out there, wether or wether not they actually have studied social psychology, are going to try to explain all of this. As a social science student, who has passed psychology with a B, I can try to explain.
*By calling them a community and shaping them togheter he made an ingroup, he established his own authority as the leader, hence, they follow him. The rest is history.*
We’re not evil. We’re social. We tend to follow group and autority. But it can lead to as much good as bad
That’s why individuals who think with their own mind are important
@@Chulpansilu To be honest, most of the free thinker are just following another group
@@Chulpansiluno such thing as individual thinkers. We are all brainwashed by others.
That why hindu philosophy,sages and seer are there to keep us seperate from social groups because living in different kind of separate groups we humans became divided and it's not hard to spread hate by one man in a divided world to different communities, culture,race and religion.
dude: let's roleplay a police state in our school
student: school and community became a police state miniature
dude: *pikachu face*
Lol.
Assuming anything else just prepares us for failure.
Assuming we are inherently good puts any and all responsibility on others.
"I am a good person so someone or something made me evil"
It also makes us fall into evil behavior because we arent aware of its presence.
Know that you are capable of evil, more than you would expect and do what you can to stay good.
makes no sense. The person who assumes that "I am born evil" can very easily blame the creator. I was born this way. No fault of my own
@@srivastavashivam949 You managed to understand that going from one extreme to the other extreme is still bad.
But I never suggested that people should think they are born evil, just that they aren't born inherently good.
All I'm hearing is good posture, a sense of community, strength, discipline and a sense of fulfillment. Oh, and a bunch of people who still think "Good vs. Evil" is a real thing.
I remember finding the book about this experiment in middle school. It was a very interesting book and helped me shed some of my ignorant prejudiced ideas.
they made a tv movie in 1981 about this experiment called "the wave"
"Gods don't need followers - followers need gods."
- Ornn (League of Legends)
Have a couple religious/demonic experiences you'd end up tryng to find information about god
ive always felt like an outlier amongst others. ive grown up with both parents lying to me about one another and my mom lying about addiction. so ive been relatively good at seeing deception. for some reason i can just look at a person and know whats in their heart. what they're feeling, if there's malicious or deceptive intent. ive always stood for morals and what is right, not by mans law but by this morality, do not kill, be humble and kind to one another, protect those that need protecting, give to others without expecting anything in return, only harm to save your life but never take life, cherish those around you even if they dont cherish you, be mindful of what you say for words cut deeper than a knife, love and respect those who do not show you the same, and if someone where to sue me id let them take my tunic as well. people aren't born evil, no.... people become evil through pain, indoctrination, propaganda, and having basic humanity taken from them, a person can be kind loving and compassionate but all it could take is one to a few people that will cause immense pain or trauma and that compassionate person becomes evil and harms others. theres powers and principalities at work in society, they want to kill steal and destroy, but we dont have to follow in others footsteps, we can be loving and compassionate without violence, love one another dont hate. hate only leads to more hate
I agree with you
Same
I agree I feel like an outlier always being the kind caring person but humans have been so brutal to me that I feel like am jaded or broken I don't like people anymore or want to be near them I would much rather live in an island far from society
@@tfkdandsvkc you can't blame everyone forever based on your past experiences. Everyone is different. I truly understand what you are saying. It's hard to pull out of that when you lose faith in others. I hope you come to find a friend or two in yourself, and just know, you literally have an enormous universe inside yourself. A whole infrastructure of living parts working hard for you! You are FAR from alone! Hope you find just one good friend and/or dedicate yourself to a pet. Cool things are brewing! Best wishes!
@@Fido-vm9zi thanks 👍 been feeling extremely lonely and lost in life especially when it comes to humans since they have been a source of my pain but other than that I actually love life alot I love nature I love traveling alone but I still don't like people they are very scary to me but life is still beautiful as I enjoy many other things that don't involve people
It would be pretty interesting if he only got a few specific students to watch the presentation - then assigned the A grade to any of the students who manage to deconvert others from the Third Wave, or be deconverted without having attended the presentation. That would make it a pretty good test, I think
You know, what I find the most interesting is that people who see their perceived enemy will say it's "just like this (insert thing you dislike here)" but refuse to acknowledge that we all are in something like this. Its not one sided.
Reminds me of a German movie called "the wave". It was to me suggested by my German language tutor. Interesting movie, very thought provoking. The plot seems to draw heavily from this social experiment.
Its a political piece, there is nothing scientific about it
There's a difference between being born evil or being evil and being made evil. We as human beings have no way to really control what another does with the knowledge they possess over us. What we can control, however, is who we listen to. We as a society need to be able to recognize malicious patterns and get rid of them.
I have seen the movie inspired by this: « The Wave » (Die Welle), was released in 2009. I saw it in history class and it was a bit frightening to see the potential of malfeasance you could develop in a short span of time
Should have got 1M views
Thanks! Hopefully it'll get there soon enough because this video is blowing up all of a sudden 😁
My teacher in 8th grade did a similar experiment. Our school has uniforms, red shirts or blue shirts. Because red didn't really go with anyone's style not many people wore red in our grade. I remember we were being told to sit in desks according to our shirt color; blue or red. I sat first in the red section ignoring the rules because my friend was there and I wanted to talk to her, but then I moved to the blue section when the bell rang, but my stuff was still over by my friend. My teacher walked in and said, "For the rest of the class, you are going to be separated as red shirts and blue shirts." To me, that was BS. There were only three people in red shirts, two of which my good friends I was close with, so I got up and moved back to my seat. I told her I wasn't going to let a dumb rule based on color separate me from my friends and light wouldn't get between me and my relationships. Only one other person switched to the red side who was also wearing a blue shirt after what I said. One. In the other classes, no one switched sides and everyone was tricked. I was the only person in my grade to have gone against the rules. It scares me what would happen if I was in a fascist environment because I know I'll act out and put myself in danger.
One small issue: it didn't happen
All the story comes from few movies and they come from Jones bragging decades later. All *authentic* evidence show everything went casual back then
Even the made-up story is comical, it implies reader doesn't know most of those are just normal school tropes
And it doesn't show evil only the tribalistic nature of humans
Being good takes effort, while being evil comes natural. This is why evil always wins in the end and why most people are evil. Selfishness is natural.
Took longer than expected to make this episode. So for those of you who were patiently waiting for an episode, from the bottom of my heart, thank you!
I wouldn't say this means people are inherently evil. But when a person in a position of authority uses that to put people under duress people will act cruel in their own interest. I feel that its important to note that as the teacher he had pretty close to complete authority so the kids were predisposed to do as he said. He then provided them with an situation that seemed to be able to seriously effect their future. The kids were told if they participated to the best of their ability they would get an A, but if they attempted a revolution they would get either an A or an F dependent on wether or not it succeeded. Anyone with half a brain would see this and think "oh, well one way is a guarantee, the other has an incalculable potential for failure" and then go with the safe option. Not evil, just self interested.
How does one truly define what true objective Virtue and true objective Evil even is.
As others pointed out, the video didn't prove what the thumbnail was saying.
I'd say humans are generally born more good than neutral or evil, simply because humans (like other animals) are biologically social creatures. We're naturally more inclined towards things like love, empathy, and sympathy because its beneficial for society, as encouraged by our ancestors who survived by working in a society, using these traits to survive by caring for each other and passing them down to us.
Yes, we're herd animals. That's neither good nor bad it's just the nature of a species closely related to chimpanzees. If people would admit that there is such a thing as human nature, we wouldn't be so surprised by our own behavior.
It's very easy to see everyone on earth as evil but maybe that's not the case. Maybe we're all just misunderstood. However this doesn't excuse our actions. Genocide, brainwash, over the top censorship, and even blindly giving into these is wrong. Once we see the truth and learn from our mistakes only then could we better ourselves. Yes we all want a taste of power but that comes with great responsibility even as much as not many of us on earth have. Be careful who you give that power to or even what you do with it because in the wrong hands we might not get a second chance.
Very true!
this is what it nearly got to in Australia over the vax and lockdowns, i had a friend that didnt want the vax and the way the public treated the unvaxed sickens me.Large amounts of the population called to round up the unvaxed and not allow them medical treatment etc . friends and family members calling for it. i tried pointing out this is exactly what the nazis did and they didnt care. It disturbs me to this day.
I guess we're just wired this way and there's nothing we can do about it.
We are animals. And like animals, we tend to appear "good" (or tame, or domesticated) when things like food, water, shelter and safety are abundant and readily available. If they're not, we start to behave like animals and take it from others by force to ensure our own survival. I don't understand how so many people struggle with this fact.
@@AngryReptileKeeper
Interesting take bro . U might be correct .but there r contradictions for example why homeless people are the nicest and they feel ur need better than riche people ?
I believe in the quote
"villains are made not born"
recreating nazi system proving effectiveness
means nothing
Fascinating thanks, i wonder should we be surprised at the results ?
You were born to radiate confidence, self-respect, and inner harmony.
Thanks for the tutorial, this was really usefull
This experiment describes my life experience. I often say, I don't worry about murderers and thieves. I worry about good people. Good people will commit the most grievous of sins against the people who are actually doing the right thing, betraying them, and giving power to the wicked so that they can have the power to silence anyone who would stand against them. Then those good people go home believing they are good. Because they think they're good, they can do great harm without remorse, and even deceive others into following their lead.
Hahaha
We are def born something you would call "evil" We are hardwired to stomp through others to survive and get enjoyment for humiliating other living things. The commendable thing is when someone overcomes this
Of course this experiment does not prove that people are evil. It proves that at least many of us are weak-willed and easily led.
Speaking of which,, I would recommend Peter Singer and his views on human evil
Born a blank slate neither good nor evil, take effort and direction to become good and lack there for the opposite
Many people give up
The biggest irony in Jones' and others' perspective was/is the belief there was ever anything bad/evil with this behavior.
This study doesn't prove that we were all born evil. It shows that we're all susceptible to influence by authority or an ideal (such as values), especially when there are variables such as peer pressure, frustration born out of economic disenfranchisement, etc. which reinforce the influencing factor. There's a big difference there. I.e. all else constant, what you're told is what you're led to believe, so then one would reason that if you were taught to live and do good, then you behave in kind, and vice versa. Another important takeaway is to better insulate from bad ideas by being taught to think critically and logically, especially earlier on in one's education.
Great video and channel
Thank you so much!
We're not born evil so much as amoral and as predators designed to survive. Humans need to learn to be "good", this "good" being designated by our society.
No one’s inherently evil, at least not often. If one is fed this type of behavior then they will become it, especially if there’s a crowd.
It matters not how you’re born. Good, evil, poor, rich, happy, sad, or anything else… the only things that matter in life is finding your own reason to be good and your dreams.
You can bet these kids have never heard the concept of "I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees!". Man, just five days... kind of explains some recent movements...
We need classroom that built like this
as a normal human being i can guarantee you that if you are in a dark place you become a monster. always. Thats why there are so many radicals these days, im just happy for myself that i found happines in life
Every lock can be opened. But locks arent there mostly for thieves. Its to keep honest people from becomming thieves.
A lot of comments claiming this points out fragility, gullibilty, and weakness are only partially right. We are hard-wired to belong to a "tribe". This was critical to survival prior to agrarian society and it is easy to see endless examples of this today. It also explains why people will engage in obscene amounts of denial that something is wrong with their "tribe".
Laws of Survival do not observe morality. Hence the Dark Forest Theory holding water.
there is actually a movie about this experiment also. didn't expect the pexperiment to need a few days only. but regarding facism potential I think the milgram experiment is the most obvious one as nobody seemed to care askin when a peron is killed(at what voltage). This experiment here similiar to stanford seems to be more about general population and believe control. So some of these characteristics actually happen in sects, psychogroups and cults.
There is actually a german movie inspired by this experiment. It is called "Die Welle" ("The Wave"). Fairly well made movie for german standards!
There is the german movie ''The Wave'' about that exact same experiment. You should watch it. It's pretty good.
There's no such thing as good or evil, you humans just do whatever you think ensures your survival.
People love to call emselfs the rebels in the evil empire but most would just follow on with the guys in charge
It's not inherently everyone is born evil, everyone is born human. It tend to learn to do better except the one who disobey.
We are all born with good and evil, it’s just what we decide to do with them that makes us. Dr Jekyll and Me Hyde is basically the perfect example of this, as Dr Jekyll splits the good and evil into two separate sides, and leaves the evil to fester. Eventually, the evil becomes too powerful, and overtakes Dr Jekyll. You should not be evil, but keep it close to you and remember your flaws.
Correction: YOU were born evil. I just get annoyed when evil people bring up people’s differences like they are bad things
For anyone interested, they made a movie about this experiment.
"The Wave"
When i was a child i lacked the ability to feel empathy towards others somehow as i got older i became more empathetic i guess i became soft in a way which life forces us to be that way
We’re not naturally evil we’re just naturally gullible, because we are trusting to people reconsider teachers.
This is how most occult start
I've heard this story before. It's apocryphal. That means it never really happened. There may be a kernel of truth to it, but it's at least mostly if not entirely made up.
I thought on this for a while, and the conclusion I came to was that,
If an action benefits the society and the humankind (in both short and long term) it is considered good.
However, if it brings harm to the society and its future or its members, it is considered evil.
You might question, 'what about animal rights?'
That only happens if you consider animals as a member of your own society.
Bro trained the whole classroom into a facist army 💀💀💀💀💀
We were born innocent and good when we were little babies we didn’t kill people we did not lie swear cheat lie or steal we were born innocent and good being evil is something we had to to choose to do or not do when we got older
I think a different experiment could've been more effective but this was definitely interesting.
People arent evil, they minsconstrue and interpret self preservation as evil. Even if it means devaluing your fellow human.
It is insane how “oh how fun” becomes a literal cult or political movement *so easily*
It takes NO effort, as long as you a trusted authority
We were all born to be influenced and changed depending on the circumstances of complex relationships created at various intensity and frequency.