I THINK THE MANTRAS ARE GOOD the problem is they are too broken at the start but they have potential and are cool but they need to be abkle to mostly prevent the brokeness showing up in the first place
the new path is really mid and phantom step isnt even that busted but ur right they definitely need to stop rushing everything, the past couple updates have been buggy on release
I find it funny how we deepwoken players baby rage over anything that looks broken upon a single glimpse. ''A speed boost? NoOoOoo! NOOoOOoOoo! ThEY BuFFEd TrAcK stArS!'' Like man this path just came out and you already act like they get a free speedboost forever for just existing. Give it time man.
I think you're missing the point. Before this update, you literally cannot fight without tap dancer. So to combat needing tap dancer in all builds, they made it an innate ability. What phantom step does is give a long lasting lightning cloak that builds up not by cooldown but by dodging. Which keep in mind, Attunement stats don't follow the same shrine of order rules as physical stats. This means they could shrine below the 25 stat point cap. 55 gale could be reduced to 14. Unlike tap dancer's 60 stat points only being reduced to 35. This means in effect, they made a new mandatory talent that is way cheaper than tap dancer. Which keep in mind, is effectively a better lightning cloak
@@RavenousCucumber You could easily fight without tap dancer, I've done it for ages and reached high elo it not necessary to have you're capping out your ass when you say you literally cant fight without it, If you cant fight without it that's a skill issue itself. Secondly, While I agree the new haunted path is a lil underthought out, It's not exactly that crazy, It does require build up but I believe in truth it rewards too much for basic gameplay
@@RavenousCucumberits nowhere near lighning cloak, and also the energy retrieval is so low by the time u have it in a chime match the enemy gonna have 1 bar, or even less
I don't see how it's a better Lightning cloak, you must've seen the spectral gauge and thought, it's automatically the better cloak because if you fill it out fully you can run forever. Thing is the spectral runs out very quickly and using aerial moves during the state will also make it run it out quickly, not objectively deciding to run will only make it drain fast and then lose it for nothing and I don't believe you can gain a huge spectral gain from dodging, with Lightning cloak you could just hit, parry or dodge and that would extended it's duration with no moves decreasing it, so when you get a decent amount of duration with lightning cloak you can still run with no set backs so I don't see how its better wndcloak. Also you can fight still fight without Tap Dancer? If you need to roll twice for every single attack and think this talent is necessary that is a you problem. For me who had high agility builds i never got tap dancer once (and I dont use shrine of order ever, i dont care if i ruin my own build bc i dont use it) and i can still dodge just as fine as I can.
@@jackxred1idk872 Spectral path as a whole is in an odd spot. Considering higher elo play is seeing more hybrid builds to prolong the fight, spectral bar, although minimal, could still make it's way as a necessity. Similar to reinforced and flame of denial. And to respond to your Tap Dancer critique, Higher elo fights are broken down to three things, Who can win more parry trades, Who can tank the more hits (Although this is made redundant by the former) and how well you can bait out vents. Tap dancer allowed for people to continually predict and bait out vents without having to choose how you use your dodges. The very fact that a form of dancer was made into an innate combat mechanic is proof in of itself that tap dancer did give a significantly noticeable competitive advantage. Deepwoken players complain about every little thing because in a game like Deepwoken, every little thing counts. Especially when it comes to High elo and chime longevity.
Adapt bro. When silentheart came out it was broken ash we adapted ironsing to we adapted. All I’m hearing from the community is a lot of whining cause they don’t wanna learn how to parry a mantra lol
u can’t really adapt to any of this since it’s just constant every week, silentheart u can’t even compare cause it’s just m1s this is something new, not only that but each week it just gets worse for example last week that flaming scourage mantra was broken, tried adapting to it but now we have a broken gale path?
@@SwordDWflame scourge was bugged now it is fixed its not a braindead broken mantra anymore since it have a lot of endlag and it got more windup to give more reaction time
we are no longer in the phase of deepwoken when everyone was just learning how to play, now people have to adapt to win, if you can't keep up with the always changing state of pvp you'll always lose your fights
Lowkey it takes a while to build bar (and u need gale mantras to build bar effectively) not to mention u need to be power 8 to get the path in the first place and above 50 gale. Ion think everyones gonna swap to this path for running especially when it seems like suffocate is better for actually fighting and still gives u a decent amt of mobil.
"running is such a problem on deepwoken!😢😢, i NEED every grip to be handed to me on a silver platter!!! how dare people who spent stat points into mobility use it againist me?!!!11" 0:38
You cant run with no half/full gale build with the new gale path just because how painful it is to get dashes and stuff. Also dashes have a cd and u only get around 3-4 at 65% ish. The only way to charge it up is to either dodge caltrops or use actual gale mantras.
it literally is not as bad as you think, just have in mind that this can be used by all sides (People can run away from ganks easily, gankers can catch up to people easily, gale mage players get a free speed boost for actually being good at using their mantras and dodging, plus speedrunners get the best day of their lives). I think everybody wins with this path except the people that don't like Gale getting buffs, there's literally no bad side for this imo🤷♀️
because mobility got added, it does not apply to running and chasing evenly. this is because running is much easier than chasing. therefore running got buffed because while it helps both sides, it helps runners more.
@@howtosoup1012 I mean they did just nerf tap dancer and agility, so you don't even need 65 agility anymore to compete, free 40 points go gale with it 🤷
This wouldent really matter cause if you waste 55 points on more mobility it would gut ur build. Atleast this new talent needs u to hit gale mantras to activate it unlike most mobility methods.
Some oaths SHOULD be better than others, I mean getting dawnwalker sure aint a walk in the park, so people should get rewarded with an above avarage oath, but when you go for example jetstriker or even oathless, it shouldnt be as good, or even better than dawnwalker. Now ofc dawnwalker shouldnt be OP, or jetstriker underpwoered to the point of it being actual dogwater.
Surge scrap lava and crystal are like 5 times more busted than haunted path witch pratically just give a little speed buff and REMOVE suffocate. For the "no more new mantras" shadow got a 2 bar damage 3 star mantra why cant flame have a good 3 star mantra i mean flame scourge isnt that broken the damage is alright and if u parry or he miss the attack its just free hits from endlag btw flame balista sucks and rentless flames its horrible in pvp
flame is literally godly right now, ballista is un-cancellable, hyper armor, high posture, auto tracking and deals good dmg, and well flaming scourge is just busted
bro im washed and i have to deal with getting thrown around and slammed on my forehead like:O im lev 15 and i die to a kid with this mantra and he lev 10 its prob either im terrible or the mantra was always hitting after he m1'd
ngl i like the new gale path but gales mobility is definitely a problem still. a lot of the community is ignorant to how op running is in the game. i can go 75 gale pretty easily and get gale dash, wind step, gale leap, aeroglide, and the new gale path with the dash just for like 20-30 something points. my starkindred curved build can literally fly and nobody can do anything about it.
@@hungry_khid1007 bro acting like freshies gonna have all these abilities to run away lmfaooo actually latching onto straws in hopes his complete runner build dont get nerfed
because running ruins pvp i was boss raiding today and the ppl were using gale to run even though my build has gale and thundercaller i couldnt catch up before they switch freshies arent going to have these mantras and starkindred + gale + fire/thunder can essentially fly forever@@hungry_khid1007 + all these catching mantras suck not only do they slow you down while your running, the only one that always lets you catch up is encircle even wind forge the new mantra meant to catch runners isnt useful for catching runners
Ngl instead of adding a controversial mantra each weekly we need more diversity Voidwalker rework (make voidwalkers fight voidwalkers so everyone who doesnt want to pvp happy) One entire update just dedicated to adding more worldbuilding and lore Some kind of fishing rework that doesnt give me carpal tunnel Visionshaper rework? (Might be controversial) Better criticals for more weapons, especially medium swords
Voidwalkers can already fight other voidwalkers, but I see what you’re saying (this update was mostly comprised of balance changes which is a lot more diverse then our usual. Updates
i stopped playing voidwalker last year cuz i cant be asked to walk to trial of one each time i prog but i retried it recently and 6/10 times i was in voidheart people was running hands or sm1 tried running my hands@@menacingplatypus8547
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plz no more mantras..
activate windows
I love mantras! - pve gale mage main
keep speaking facts and they will ban you from the community as well
can we have more sparks instead?
I THINK THE MANTRAS ARE GOOD the problem is they are too broken at the start but they have potential and are cool but they need to be abkle to mostly prevent the brokeness showing up in the first place
the new path is really mid and phantom step isnt even that busted
but ur right they definitely need to stop rushing everything, the past couple updates have been buggy on release
I find it funny how we deepwoken players baby rage over anything that looks broken upon a single glimpse. ''A speed boost? NoOoOoo! NOOoOOoOoo! ThEY BuFFEd TrAcK stArS!'' Like man this path just came out and you already act like they get a free speedboost forever for just existing. Give it time man.
I think you're missing the point. Before this update, you literally cannot fight without tap dancer. So to combat needing tap dancer in all builds, they made it an innate ability. What phantom step does is give a long lasting lightning cloak that builds up not by cooldown but by dodging. Which keep in mind, Attunement stats don't follow the same shrine of order rules as physical stats. This means they could shrine below the 25 stat point cap. 55 gale could be reduced to 14. Unlike tap dancer's 60 stat points only being reduced to 35. This means in effect, they made a new mandatory talent that is way cheaper than tap dancer. Which keep in mind, is effectively a better lightning cloak
@@RavenousCucumber You could easily fight without tap dancer, I've done it for ages and reached high elo it not necessary to have you're capping out your ass when you say you literally cant fight without it, If you cant fight without it that's a skill issue itself.
Secondly, While I agree the new haunted path is a lil underthought out, It's not exactly that crazy, It does require build up but I believe in truth it rewards too much for basic gameplay
@@RavenousCucumberits nowhere near lighning cloak, and also the energy retrieval is so low by the time u have it in a chime match the enemy gonna have 1 bar, or even less
I don't see how it's a better Lightning cloak, you must've seen the spectral gauge and thought, it's automatically the better cloak because if you fill it out fully you can run forever. Thing is the spectral runs out very quickly and using aerial moves during the state will also make it run it out quickly, not objectively deciding to run will only make it drain fast and then lose it for nothing and I don't believe you can gain a huge spectral gain from dodging, with Lightning cloak you could just hit, parry or dodge and that would extended it's duration with no moves decreasing it, so when you get a decent amount of duration with lightning cloak you can still run with no set backs so I don't see how its better wndcloak.
Also you can fight still fight without Tap Dancer? If you need to roll twice for every single attack and think this talent is necessary that is a you problem. For me who had high agility builds i never got tap dancer once (and I dont use shrine of order ever, i dont care if i ruin my own build bc i dont use it) and i can still dodge just as fine as I can.
@@jackxred1idk872 Spectral path as a whole is in an odd spot. Considering higher elo play is seeing more hybrid builds to prolong the fight, spectral bar, although minimal, could still make it's way as a necessity. Similar to reinforced and flame of denial. And to respond to your Tap Dancer critique, Higher elo fights are broken down to three things, Who can win more parry trades, Who can tank the more hits (Although this is made redundant by the former) and how well you can bait out vents. Tap dancer allowed for people to continually predict and bait out vents without having to choose how you use your dodges. The very fact that a form of dancer was made into an innate combat mechanic is proof in of itself that tap dancer did give a significantly noticeable competitive advantage. Deepwoken players complain about every little thing because in a game like Deepwoken, every little thing counts. Especially when it comes to High elo and chime longevity.
Adapt bro. When silentheart came out it was broken ash we adapted ironsing to we adapted. All I’m hearing from the community is a lot of whining cause they don’t wanna learn how to parry a mantra lol
what mantra? this is just giving free mobilty for no reason. making running worse than it already was
are you sped
u can’t really adapt to any of this since it’s just constant every week, silentheart u can’t even compare cause it’s just m1s this is something new, not only that but each week it just gets worse for example last week that flaming scourage mantra was broken, tried adapting to it but now we have a broken gale path?
@@SwordDWflame scourge was bugged now it is fixed its not a braindead broken mantra anymore since it have a lot of endlag and it got more windup to give more reaction time
we are no longer in the phase of deepwoken when everyone was just learning how to play, now people have to adapt to win, if you can't keep up with the always changing state of pvp you'll always lose your fights
flame scourge needs to be removed who thought it was a good idea
Atleast they increased windup and made it so you can parry and dodge it now
@@lexierdiaz6653 they also RELEASED it when it went through dodge, parry, and tranquil 😭they were fr sleeping
Bro the flame ballista mantra is terrible ain't know way they thought an arrow would be a good 3 star mantra
@@morkosbo4036better then nothing, and it works well for chasing people with wayward
Cool mantra, but needs to be tested
Lowkey it takes a while to build bar (and u need gale mantras to build bar effectively) not to mention u need to be power 8 to get the path in the first place and above 50 gale. Ion think everyones gonna swap to this path for running especially when it seems like suffocate is better for actually fighting and still gives u a decent amt of mobil.
"running is such a problem on deepwoken!😢😢, i NEED every grip to be handed to me on a silver platter!!! how dare people who spent stat points into mobility use it againist me?!!!11" 0:38
lmao, it is, i understand you pve for your entire time on the ame but if you went to any large scale gank you would notice how uncounterable it is
You cant run with no half/full gale build with the new gale path just because how painful it is to get dashes and stuff. Also dashes have a cd and u only get around 3-4 at 65% ish. The only way to charge it up is to either dodge caltrops or use actual gale mantras.
thanks for the idea big bro
Thankful for this cause i suck at pvp rn
some games update monthly or even yearly so 21pack, chill. Its suprising they update weekly.
this is NOT trackstar cause it's hard to get up to 50% and u gotta do it through pvp
Maybe they need slow down updates. Maybe do small updates like low stat talents.
it would have been cool but shrine of order makes balancing basically impossible
it literally is not as bad as you think, just have in mind that this can be used by all sides (People can run away from ganks easily, gankers can catch up to people easily, gale mage players get a free speed boost for actually being good at using their mantras and dodging, plus speedrunners get the best day of their lives). I think everybody wins with this path except the people that don't like Gale getting buffs, there's literally no bad side for this imo🤷♀️
so ur forced to get at least 50 gale on every build if u want it to be viable..
because mobility got added, it does not apply to running and chasing evenly. this is because running is much easier than chasing. therefore running got buffed because while it helps both sides, it helps runners more.
It is for the people that don't play gale lol
chasing is WAY harder than running
@@howtosoup1012 I mean they did just nerf tap dancer and agility, so you don't even need 65 agility anymore to compete, free 40 points go gale with it 🤷
deepwoken players when they can't goon for pvp for one week
This wouldent really matter cause if you waste 55 points on more mobility it would gut ur build. Atleast this new talent needs u to hit gale mantras to activate it unlike most mobility methods.
Nah, I’d adapt.
No way they reintroduced Vanishing Follow-up
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Some oaths SHOULD be better than others, I mean getting dawnwalker sure aint a walk in the park, so people should get rewarded with an above avarage oath, but when you go for example jetstriker or even oathless, it shouldnt be as good, or even better than dawnwalker. Now ofc dawnwalker shouldnt be OP, or jetstriker underpwoered to the point of it being actual dogwater.
Isn't everything broken
i love 21PACK
the deepwoken cycle
path itself isnt even cool im hearing its just reskinned haunted gale with runner potential
stop crying monk
Copium
Bro can’t adapt 🥱
:(
Surge scrap lava and crystal are like 5 times more busted than haunted path witch pratically just give a little speed buff and REMOVE suffocate. For the "no more new mantras" shadow got a 2 bar damage 3 star mantra why cant flame have a good 3 star mantra i mean flame scourge isnt that broken the damage is alright and if u parry or he miss the attack its just free hits from endlag btw flame balista sucks and rentless flames its horrible in pvp
How is lava more broken you're just delusional LOL
yeah scrap and crystal i agree with but lava serpent isn't that good of a path. but this new haunted path is definetely not that busted
eclipse kick wasnt unrollable, unparryable, and dosnt go through tranquil on release
Don't compare eclipse kick with flame scourge... Flame scourge was literally free unavoidable damage
flame is literally godly right now, ballista is un-cancellable, hyper armor, high posture, auto tracking and deals good dmg, and well flaming scourge is just busted
Deepwoken players always find a reason to complain man
Haunted gale is worse than the regular path
Bro is already hating thats crazy
bro im washed and i have to deal with getting thrown around and slammed on my forehead like:O im lev 15 and i die to a kid with this mantra and he lev 10 its prob either im terrible or the mantra was always hitting after he m1'd
I’m so glad I’m done playing this game 😂
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Bro this is legit old flamecharm. With a different and better thunder cloak. I’m a galebreath enjoyer. I’m disappointed with the lackluster path.
We already had haunted gale anyways… couldn’t they give it a color change and a new effect?
@@eyesack3606crystal doesn’t have a color change and it’s fine….😕
@@salima-w3690 I’m just saying that color change and new effect would have been better than old flamecharm.
This ain’t even better than lightning cloak ngl
so true 321pack
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ngl i like the new gale path but gales mobility is definitely a problem still. a lot of the community is ignorant to how op running is in the game. i can go 75 gale pretty easily and get gale dash, wind step, gale leap, aeroglide, and the new gale path with the dash just for like 20-30 something points. my starkindred curved build can literally fly and nobody can do anything about it.
why should someone not have the ability to run away, there's many catching mantras so it balances out. stop trying to attack freshies
@@hungry_khid1007 bro acting like freshies gonna have all these abilities to run away lmfaooo
actually latching onto straws in hopes his complete runner build dont get nerfed
@@gits8829 i want a speed demon build not to run but to apply pressure
Imagine getting flooded on and you cant run for shit
because running ruins pvp
i was boss raiding today and the ppl were using gale to run
even though my build has gale and thundercaller i couldnt catch up before they switch
freshies arent going to have these mantras
and starkindred + gale + fire/thunder can essentially fly forever@@hungry_khid1007
+ all these catching mantras suck
not only do they slow you down while your running, the only one that always lets you catch up is encircle
even wind forge the new mantra meant to catch runners isnt useful for catching runners
Ngl instead of adding a controversial mantra each weekly we need more diversity
Voidwalker rework (make voidwalkers fight voidwalkers so everyone who doesnt want to pvp happy)
One entire update just dedicated to adding more worldbuilding and lore
Some kind of fishing rework that doesnt give me carpal tunnel
Visionshaper rework? (Might be controversial)
Better criticals for more weapons, especially medium swords
Voidwalkers can already fight other voidwalkers, but I see what you’re saying (this update was mostly comprised of balance changes which is a lot more diverse then our usual. Updates
voidwalkers can alr fight voidwalkers
and it made playing voidwalker worse than it alr was because ppl are ganking in voidheart
@@littlehamham3281 I meant if you pick voidwalker you only progress from ganking other voidwalkers this way mosquitoes stop interrupting my grind
i stopped playing voidwalker last year cuz i cant be asked to walk to trial of one each time i prog
but i retried it recently and 6/10 times i was in voidheart people was running hands or sm1 tried running my hands@@menacingplatypus8547
Deepwoken players can never be happy huh? And I’m saying that as someone who hasn’t played in months💀
Aint noone going out of there way to get gale points just to run away chill out, also specter is lowkwy trash.
THEN JUST DONT GANK PPL THATS IT
running is not that bad bro
💀
The fuck you mean running is not that bad LOL
@@BigMoneyMuttifier i have lit never had issues with people running
@@21pack never had a issue plus wild you think everyone gonna go 55 gale just to run away some more
😂
Ngl its a worse gale imo
Learn how to fight runners man
lol this is funny
how the fuck do u fight someone infinitely more mobile than you thats running away
i mean if they run they js taking an L u js gotta let it be lol this is roblox bru shi is not no damn console game@@21pack
you honestly cant guarantee to catch a runner unless you have encircle
Bro is in lancelot but knows nothing about mahoroga effect
dork
@@sondrrsznanime pfp calling dudes “dorks” ☠️
.......... @@salima-w3690
@@sondrrszn aren’t we all for playing deepwoken
@salima-w3690 and the dude you're defending is using an anime reference dummy ☠️☠️
cope 💀
Pin me im first
no >:)
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