I love that Rachel settles every score with education. My favorite thing about this channel is how much I learn. I wasn't really that interested in poetry before Rachel started making videos about it, but some of the poetry that's been discussed here has given me a true appreciation for it and made me realize perhaps I just wasn't understanding poetry. Thank you Rachel for seeing so many situations as a teaching opportunity!
If you wanna see more people settle every score with education, stop on by my favorite TH-cam channel, Zelph on the Shelf. They’re exmo bisexual dreamboats go support them 💖
I feel the exact same way. Before her channel the last time I examined poetry was in high school English. I wouldn’t have expected myself to enjoy analyzing poetry in my free time.
“A hate campaign against my book, even though I sent her the book with the explicit connotation it was a bribe to give it 5 stars.” Like wow gabbie you’re so generous! Making reviewers not have to buy a book themselves for like $4 on eBay. Like. Gabbie. If you hand someone your shit on a plate they’re not obligated to eat it with tears of thanks in their eyes because you had the big heartedness to shit on a plate just for them. Peaked. In. High. School.
same, I literally can't listen to the clips of gabbie talking about rachel whenever somebody puts it in their video because it just makes me so angry and upset
@@Lucifersfursona Take this with a huge grain of salt, but word on the street was that it was none other than creepshow art that told gabbie to send Rachel that book for some reason. IF true, there could be a myriad of possible explanations
Parody has ALWAYS had its place in art, regardless of if some people feel that its mean spirited. Art is allowed to be mean, confronting, a direct insult to someone, or whatever the hell else you want it to be.
@@evileyeinteractivellcindie3712 Yes. You are allowed to offend people with your art. And they're allowed to feel offended, even hurt, and allowed to respond to you. They're then allowed to respond to your response. Freedom doesn't mean freedom from all consequences. But consequences don't mean that freedom should be taken away.
"She's not a professional, I don't want to hear her opinion." Does she think that professionals just start their career as professionals? When I was in my creative writing classes in college, the only people who gave their thoughts on the pieces were the ones who weren't professionals. My prof gave a LITTLE of her thoughts, but that was just to get the class going. The majority of the critiques I received in my classes were from other students. Professionals aren't the only ones with credit....
Especially because professionals make up only a small percentage of most branches/peoples target audiences. So it's important to hear critique coming from your readers in this case, no matter if professional or not.
Mood tho. One of my favorite examples is one of the most important poets in ancient China called 白居易 would insist on having uneducated or even illiterate commoners to listen to him read his poems, and help him reflect on how his poems could be more accessible to the common masses, without throwing all techniques out of the window. I just find it so obnoxious of gabbie to be insisting that Rachel has no right to criticize her work, even though almost anyone of any educational background should have the right to criticize it. (And ffs Rachel is literally educated deeply in literature, and she also has so many amazing works) the audacity of miss gabbie😶
Gabby: "she doesn't know what she's talking about, she has no qualifications to critique me! Rachel: *drops an hour and 15 minutes of a (wonderfully) nerdy deep dive into parody* It's truly beautiful to see, Best response
Everyone say it with me, just because a book is ABOUT an important topic doesn't make the book automatically GOOD or IMPORTANT. I'm only one minute into the video and I'm so irritated with Gabbie. Ugghhhhhh. I hope what she says doesn't get to you Rachel, cause she's just wrong on so many levels.
YES! The Room is about the importance of empathy and emotional openness in a romantic relationship and Birdemic is about the dangers of global warming and the effects it had on both nature and mankind. Those important messages don't suddenly make those movies good!
@@JackedThor-so How dare you😤! Birdemic is a classic of our time, if you squint while watching the film through frosted glass those birds even look quite lifelike!
Perhaps the greatest irony about Adogsolesence is that it’s a far better pastiche/love letter to Shel Silverstein than Adultsolesence, as well as being better poetry in general Kyra is perhaps the most underrated poet of modern times and somehow I’m not even kidding when typing that (tbf, I don’t generally know or honestly care much about poetry, but Kyra is still one of my favorite poets)
For someone who’s entire career is founded on being a creator online, Gabbie has INSANELY thin skin. I’ve seen 11 year olds with more composure than her
I love how she said you were hateful and manipulative when you handled your overall negative review (which is valid since it’s an opinion, you never attacked her as a person) with such poise and grace and genuine respect for the possibility of her growth as a writer.
I know this isn’t what the video is focused on- but the snippets of Gabbie bullying and being so verbally atrocious to you are so hard to hear, it’s so upsetting. I’m sorry you had to go through that Rachel.
I agree! I always physically recoil when I hear those clips. It’s so needlessly malicious and uncomfortable to hear. Gabbie’s air of nonchalance doesn’t fit the words she’s saying or her tone, and it’s so strange to witness her go off so aggressively on someone as sweet and undeserving as Rachel. If anything, Gabbie is the “sick twisted b*tch” here
Those clips show Gabbie is undeniably verbally and emotionally abusive. And not just throwing it around like Gabbie does when projecting. Those clips show legitimate abuse.
This. Ever noticed how she usually squeezes herself between Rachel and the camera or fools around when Rachel is getting upset over a topic? Kyra has loads of empathy and wants to distract her from whatever is upsetting her. She is a lot kinder than Gabbie has probably been in her entire lifetime.
For someone who doesn't care about anyone's opinion, Gabbie sure seems to care a lot and give her opinions a lot and spent a lot of time ranting about people who criticize her.
I think that's usually the case with people who say oh I don't care about what others think or I do my own thing and I don't care at all about people. Like, if you need to tell people you don't care about what they think or in general that you're not influenced by what people think, are you really? Hope she eventually realizes all her mistakes and why people don't like her on TH-cam in the first place.
Also, didn't Gabbie say she doesn't watch """hate videos""" about herself? She decided that Rachel's video was hate, still send Rachel her 2nd book, then insulted Rachel saying she isn't educated/intellectual/artistic enough?
The fact that GABBIE HANNA of all people said that YOU aren’t “intellectual enough” to have an opinion on her mediocre book that wouldn’t have had any real success on its own merits (if not for her youtube career) makes me furious. You are so intelligent, respectful, and well-spoken. Ridiculous.
Right? What bothers me even more is that Gabbie tried to give herself credibility by pointing out her book was a New York Times Bestseller- as if her name and career had no hand in that. Also, I find that very misleading. There have been great artists who died penniless and unknown; your popularity isn’t the universal measure of your quality.
@@d13_a I think that says it all about GH really. She is forever stuck as the high school girl who values popularity over quality, good character, and substance.
That compilation was horrifying. I've seen a different clip of her saying the same stuff but I didn't realise just how MUCH she was attacking you. This wasn't a case of her being upset because she thought she was getting bullied. I sincerely believe she's well aware you were completely civil and just wanted to punish you for not giving her praise she feels she deserves. Sooo dodgy that she sent you her book "for people who understand and appreciate poetry" and then when she saw it wasn't just praise, turns around and says you aren't an artist & have no credibility. Narrative just keeps changing to whatever she thinks will benefit her, at the expense other people's welfare. Its really disturbing. She's deflecting her dark traits onto people that didn't do anything wrong.
@@RachelOates I commend you for being able watch through those clips again while editing them ... It's unbearable to me to a point I had to skip that part 🥺.
Gabbie actually posted a total of 9+ minutes worth of vile, abusive Instagram stories about Rachel. I haven’t even watched all of it because the few clips I have seen in other people’s videos were so disgusting and cruel.
@@Julie-ik9crbig yikes.. I don't have Instagram, but that sounds like something that should've been mass-reported & resulted in consequences to her account. Isn't that violating terms of service by misusing the app for purposeful harm? Gabbie obviously knows those videos would result in fans swarming to Rachel, and possibly encouraging dangerous interactions in real life.
As people have pointed out, Gabbie wouldn’t last a day in art school or in writing workshops. I wonder if she took any to prepare for her book, or if she studied at all. (I understand that not everyone has access to an education and it is not necessary to have one in order to make art, but Gabbie absolutely has the means to put herself through one if poetry interested her seriously.) And I believe she wouldn’t have lasted because the whole point of workshops is learning and then receiving feedback from peers and professionals. People who taught me told me that the more “pro” they get, the more ruthless the criticism is. It betters you and prepares you for actual criticism in reviews. But Gabbie cannot take a gram of criticism.
Didn't she have education in psychology? Look how well she is implementing that in her life randomly calling people narcissists and other actual mental conditions, very professional.
I read a book about the Iowa Writer’s Workshop once which opened with a description of how indigenous poets on a tiny island - Kiribati, I think? - have had a practice similar to workshopping for a long, long time: when someone feels the need to write a poem, he’d go off and sit alone to compose the poem in his head. Once a sort of “draft” was thought up, he’d get together several trusted poet friends and recite to them; they’d cheer when they liked something and rip the speaker a new one when they did not. Then the poet would go away alone again overnight to take the criticism deemed useful, discard that which was not, and make any other improvements before going back to the village, where the final version would be incorporated into the verbal culture. All this to say that while a university education and/or wide reading are useful for poets, you could still become quite talented without them, or even without paper and pen - if you have the mental toughness to actively seek out audiences that can and will be brutally honest (I think the book put it as something like “caring more about the work coming into being than about the author’s feelings”), and then the perspective and good grace to *listen to them*. You may not accept every suggestion, but do think about them seriously before you do so. (For whatever it’s worth, I do actually have some professional credentials to back up that last statement - I write test questions. Three reviewers read and comment on each one, then it is sent back to me. I am allowed to reject a suggestion, but I am expected to add a note explaining why. Then the boss reads all these notes and either accepts my reasoning or kicks it back to me. Sometimes the boss agrees with my reasoning, sometimes the boss agrees with the reviewer, sometimes the boss agrees with neither of us and will send it back to me with their own feedback. That varies, but what doesn’t vary is that it really is nothing personal - the reputation of the business is tied up in producing the best-quality product possible, so if we want to keep getting paid, we’d best engage with the process and keep our minds on the product. Does it sting sometimes, even with something as impersonal as a test question? Yes, but that’s my problem, not the publisher’s, so I take a walk and get a grip and then act like a professional.)
As someone who studies literature and creative writing in university, I can almost guarantee you that Gabbie Hanna has never set foot in a writing workshop, especially one in an educational setting. To be frank, her work would be ripped to shreds by serious writers and poets. It is laughable garbage that she pushed out to make a quick buck off of the populaar Rupi Kaur aesthetic (which I'm also not a fan of but at least Kaur put a bit more effort and soul into her poetry than GH did). Any good writer or poet knows that criticism is a part of learning and is absolutely vital to improving. The fact that she went nuclear on Rachel for what was REALLY GOOD AND FAIR (albeit blunt) criticism just highlights how narcissistic and delusional GH is. She is the type of girl that I've met in my writing classes who spends an hour writing a poem, and she expects everyone to praise her for it, even though others have put far more time and care into their work. Good art production always involves criticism and revision. GH is not a mature or talented artist--I hesitate to even call her one at all--and she will never become one because she does not understand how constructive criticism works in the field of art production.
Yeah, the way she handles even PERCEIVED rejection makes it clear she never had to do those class critiques with everyone tearing your piece apart. She’s very obviously one of those Art People who thinks anything they do is Art because they’re an Artist. (She’s even referred to her recent drama series as an artistic work.)
Cervantes deserves a movie himself, I mean he was a veteran of one of the most important battles of all time (Lepanto), spent years in a Barbary jail, came home to Spain, returned to living something of a vagabond life and then said: “I’m going to write a spoof of romantic chivalric adventure stories that I hate” *Don Quixote becomes far more popular than any of the stories it was spoofing, with an international and enduring legacy*
I’d like to add, that even if Doggolescence started as a parody of just Hanna’s book/writing style, it’s has actually become more of a parody of a systemic issue within poetry, where big name publishers hand book deals for poetry books to already famous people so that they can capitalize on a low effort to high marketing ratio, where they need to do little marketing themselves, as the ‘author’ has a preexisting audience that they can market to on their end. Thus leaving the lonely poetry shelf in big book stores, overrun with similar poetry books, with similar covers and similar content, while classics and new/unknown poets are shoved to the bottom row.
Having studied parody and fair use in a legal sense for the undergraduate law degree I just completed, it’s clear a lot of people don’t understand the legality around parody and how it works. Edit: I meant GH when I typed this, but thought I better clarify 😅
@@SpyderT22 basically it’s a Bachelor of Arts in law, or a degree in legal philosophy and theory, but I am not a lawyer. I can work at a law firm as a researcher or legal aid, but can’t go to court or anything, you have to do postgrad or that. A lot of people go from undergrad into tax law or legal research, I’m heading into teaching. I start my masters of teaching in November.
You can really see this girl's super insecure. She doesn't even have the composure to stop herself from insulting you in the filthiest and crudest of ways. Somebody who's sure on who they are would never act in such a childish way.
That's what people do when they don't like the criticism but have no way to refute it, they either gracefully accept it and learn from it or have a meltdown and try to demonise the other person. Pretty sad.
Gabby keeps trying to frame this as a bitter feud, when it's actually her having a tantrum over her mediocre work and immature behavior being criticized. It's like you're one punch man and she's speed of sound sonic. Sorry, anime geek.
Well spoken, a great breakdown of parody. The hypocrisy in her saying you mocked her trauma, meanwhile shes mocks trauma that you myself and others have gone through with the "hair cutting" poem, and furthermore disregarded your dogs trauma is outrageous.
@2:05 “I know that if I did anything like this, I would be called manipulative, sociopathic, narcissistic, attention hungry, money hungry. But that is what are.” Projecting much Gabs?
It's extremely admirable seeing that you titled this video with no mention of Gabbie Hanna or any huge face that gets you attention even though this situation is rooted in publicity on GH's side. Instead of slumping to her level you instead carry yourself high and change the topic into a way to educate and explain.
I love how all your responses are always educative. She defends a badly written poem saying her intent was something else? Here's a video on Death of the Author. She calls your parody bullying? Here's a video on parody, it's history and function. Amazing video!
Just wanted to say, I got an ad at 42:51 so that I heard "it's somehow degrading to be compared to .. California homeowners" and I'm finding it hilarious, help
I imagine you’re kidding when you say “help”, but just in case not: with TH-cam Premium, ads just aren’t a thing! (Except when they’re baked into the videos by the creators. Alas, that continues to be a thing. But it wouldn’t create a situation quite like what you’re describing here.)
@@DavidLindes I'm a bit too broke for that, but honestly the times like this when the ads make things funny are worth it! (I meant more like help, how do I deal with funny stuff without losing it -- but thanks for the reply anyways!)
Getting opinions only from "artistic talented and intelligent people" is disgustingly elitistic and reinforces the negative stereotype that art is snobby and for the few. It makes me really angry and it is not talked about enough.
@@EclecticallyEccentric lmao! I hope you've seen the Lindsay Ellis' video about that. Jenny Nicholson's reading of Addison Cain's messages in particular was especially hilarious.
i think its important to say that parody doesn't take away from the original work; you mentioned don quijote quite a few times. does it make novels about knights saving damsels in distress any less gripping in and of itself? does bo burnham's (also mentioned quite a few times) 'kanye west monologue' take away from his music? does the addams family (my personal favourite parody/genre subversion) take away enjoyment of family sit coms? personally i don't think so. a good artwork, even a cliché one, can 'survive' and outlive parody.
I bought Doggolescence a couple months ago. It's hilarious, and also made me weirdly emotional at times. I love it so much. And Rachel, the way you've handled the past year is really incredible. I don't think I'd be able to be as strong as you have. Thanks for continuing to make constructive videos like this one.
Yeah I found most of it really sweet, and her love for her dog really shines through her words. I cried in parts because I lost my beautiful boy last year.
As a PhD student in literature, this is such an outstanding overview. Once you start bringing in Linda Hutcheon and Russian Formalism in an accessible way it shows you've really done the work to understand the history of the field. Well done and I loved the editing on this one!
There was a period in my life in which I would only really listen to parody songs and watch parody youtube videos etc. And whilst now I have diversified my taste a bit, I still really appreciate parody as an artform. Gabbie should be honoured that her book got enough reach for you to make a parody of it.
Yup. I used to listen A LOT to Rucka Rucka Ali before I learnt English. You can imagine my face when I was able to understand the lyrics. Now I enjoy mostly true crime, commentary and reddit narrations (even though I don't listen much to the latter)
As a Lit student, this type of video makes me so happy and excited. It's so well done, which is not surprising coming from you 😊❤️ (p.s everybody should read Northanger Abbey, it's a masterpiece. In fact, read Austen's entire body of work😂)
Parody is FUNDAMENTAL to all types of art. Anything from "Adogsolescence" to Dadaism to Weird Al to "Trans Wizard Harriet Porber And The Bad Boy Parasaurolophus" is incredibly important.
I was initially on the side that the parody book was a step too far. Primarily, the reason I thought it was verging on bullying was down to Gabbie's reaction to it. Her feelings were hurt. She clearly is very personally attached to the things she creates and is sensitive to people's perceptions of her and her art. But, admittedly, I've read neither book (although I watched your reviews of her poetry). Knowing your personality online, however, and having consumed so much of your content/art, I do personally trust that there wouldn't be anything in the book that could ever be misconstrued as bullying *or intended to cause harm*. As you said, it's the idea of a parody that triggered her, not the actual content of your book. Ultimately, I agree the book itself is harmless. Thank you for taking the time to discuss this point of contention at length and coming at it from a place of calm and education.
I was initially on the same side. I can't stand Gabbie, but as someone who had never heard of Rachel,(or what she does) it did sound kind of cruel. Once you look into the actual content and the full context you see a very different picture. Gabbie is smart and incredibly manipulative, she knew by saying it was mocking an abused child those of us who had experienced CSA or something similar would immediately be triggered. I'll admit that's what happened with me, and what my original opinion was based off of, my own trauma. I'm not proud of believing her on this one thing even for the few day that I did. But I really hope others look into it as well and realize that they're being manipulated. Gabbie needs help, although I doubt she's willing to put the work in to truly change. It's not easy looking at yourself, realizing faults, and then making changes. Especially when you're used to getting your own way.
Yes! Thank you for standing up for yourself and other female creators and artists. Thank you for believing in your own work and not apologising for the quality you know you made. What a great example to set.
Nice! I distinctly remember buying 50 Sheds of Grey for a friend at Christmas. It was just a daft Christmas novelty book in all the bookshops. I really wouldn't expect EL James to smear my name and use misogynist language over tik tok because of it
Satire and parody are actually LEGALLY PROTECTED art forms (in the United States, I cannnot speak on laws in other countries). Shows like Family Guy that often poke fun at powerful people are protected from slander and libel lawsuits under copyright law. Parody and satire fulfill significant cultural roles. They are federally recognized art forms.
I grew up in an alcoholic, abusive household. I still, to this day, have emotional and mental issues from it, as well as difficulty speaking to people I disagree with in a respectful way. I understand how being in an abusive situation can make you more sensitive to perceived threats, and how your reactions to those perceived threats can seem over the top to "outsiders". That being said, GH's reaction was incredibly unhealthy. One of the things you learn in trauma-oriented therapy is that while your reactions may seem rational and acceptable to you, they may not always be healthy to you or to the people who, in some way, are affected by your reaction. Feeling attacked by a negative review is understandable. Being upset by this, perhaps more than "normal", is also understandable. Neither of those are inherently bad. But what is bad is going on an online tirade where you call someone narcissistic, a weird ass bitch, etc for millions of people to see and where that tirade will always exist (because nothing is truly gone on the internet). That is not a healthy response, and I personally get so frustrated when people use their trauma to justify traumatizing someone else.
Good for you not stooping to her level. You can honestly say you never attacked her character only her work. Taking this situation and turning it into an educational moment is such a power move and I love it. Also I almost cried listening to you talk about how much your dogs perspective is valid that was beautiful ❤
I just ordered the paperback version of Doggolescence! 🐶 I am also a rescue dog mumma, and the way you love Kyra makes my heart so happy. Sending lots of love to you & Kyra ♥️
At this point, I expected nothing less than a eloquent, well researched, thiughtful response from you, Rachel. Parody absolutely has a place in literature and all media, and has for tens of thousands of years.
I’m so glad you made this video, not just because you’re standing up for yourself , but I also got to learn a lot. It’s one thing if Gabbie was hurt by the fact that you criticized her work and made a parody book, but the way she decided to go after you was completely wrong. I’ve also been annoyed with people who said that you making your parody book about your dog was somehow offensive. It’s very clear that you care about Kyra very much and that’s why you made it based on her.
No need to apologise for the length of this video; admittedly, I had to break it up into parts, but I really enjoyed the learning experience. Great work on this video and Doggolescence!
Somehow I feel like your content has gotten so much stronger after all the GH debacle, and i'm so glad you were able to put yourself up after all that! Props! I'm really liking it.
I’m still angry on your behalf with the James Marriot situation. I used to be a subscriber, of his but after that I was out. You are so kind, thoughtful, and constructive with your reviews and these d udes of TH-cam should really stay in their lane or at least, you know, WATCH your videos before they speak about them. 🙄 I hope you are doing well and I’ve been really enjoying your content, including the newer passion projects like the Fungi video. I had never cared about fungi before but you made it such a captivating, relaxing and educational watch that I’ve recommended it to friends and rewatched a few times and at this point am willing to watch any and everything you put out. Thank you for being such an awesome creator 💜💜
So just going through all these to see if I've got them straight: 1) Gabbie says her book is a parody of other books, but then can't handle when her book is parodied. 2) Gabbie says the book is written from the perspective of an abused child. 3) Same book also says things like, "Make others buy their own copy of my book because I want a Lamborghini." Which doesn't seem to in any way to substantiate the idea that the book is written from the perspective of an abused child. 4) Gabbie then further substantiates the idea she's heavily or even primarily concerned about money and not simply kidding with the above poem by talking about how the book is consistently making/selling $40,000 a month for years up until her own "parody" is parodied. 5) You're actually not making any money off your parody and are instead donating the profits to an animal rescue shelter. 6) Gabbie claims you mocked her trauma relentlessly for pointing out her writing style seemed lazy. 7) Gabbie calls you manipulative, narcissistic, sociopathic, and money hungry. It seems to me that Gabbie might just be projecting a bit when she calls you manipulative, narcissistic, sociopathic, and money hungry.
Good response. I have a lot of thoughts about everything that's happened in the last six weeks, but I want to swallow those because I look forward to when your channel isn't burdened by Gabbie or Jimmy or any drama with other creators. You are an intellectual with a lot of empathy and integrity and it's unfortunate that the drama effected you. For what it's worth you have my support.
You deserved absolutely NONE of the abuse she subjected you to, I am so sorry you’ve gone through this. Love you and your channel, thank you for creating such passionate and educational content ❤️
I think you hit the nail on the head when it comes to the consumption of literary analysis. I love learning about quite a lot of things, but I'm a college student. Right now I don't really have the time to research these kinds of things on my own, when there are mandatory topics I must study instead. Your videos are an easy to understand, digestible introduction to many of the topics I'm extremely interested in. Thank you for working so hard, and for giving us an easier way to access information not all of us have the time or resources for.
Ik Michael Bublé had a really chill reaction to Bad Lip Reading’s parody of one of his songs called Russian Unicorn. Best reaction I’ve seen, it’s a breath of fresh air.
Finally!! I can’t stand the commentary channels that say “in my opinion she shouldn’t have done that” when they can probably quote A Very Potter Musical. They just show that they are not equipped to comment on the situation, literature is filled with parodies and fanfiction (anyone remember the post about how Paradise Lost and Dante’s inferno are Bible fanfiction? They got it right)
It's been a very long time since I've witnessed this level of erudite butt-stomping. Epic, I daresay. Not an artist, Gabby says, and this. . .this masterpiece is the response.
Art can be many thing but not all art is good. I dont think gabbie knows the difference between a pastiche and a parody, since Adultolesence is apparently a shel silverstein parody.
@@rubybuttons668 That’s ok, I talk about it a little in the video and pop a definition on screen :) it’s not a hugely common term in just say to day speech but very basically it’s a piece of work that simply imitates another style of work
From the content of her that I have seen it seems she does not believe in theory behind poetry, she sees it just as "I express my feelings the way I want and art has no rules". While technically true she somehow doesn't understand that it does not mean her poetry is good or that given the fact that the book is pretty expensive - it can be reviewed as any other poetry and be held to the same standards.
"she hasn't proven to me that she's intellectual enough to understand art" There's definitely some deep-seated insecurities being projected, jesus christ.
wow, if you don't understand art, I'd love to be as "ignorant" as this :) I do math, so I'm from a different academic sphere, but I can tell when someone does honest work, so I appreciate that here.
Parody is one the most important and celebrated genre's out there. Just in the film industry those who create parodies and satire absolutely beloved. Mel Brooks and Tyler Perry are considered two of the greatest film makers of all time, the Wayan's bros and Will Ferrell are beloved. Airplane! Elf, Hot Fuzz and Sharknado are beloved pieces of media and our culture. A parody can be the best compliment you will ever receive or the harshest criticism. I think Gabbi's reaction speaks to her fragility, her reactionariness and her world view. She doesn't think she has any good faith criticism, everybody is attacking her, personally and she has to attack them in kind.
You definitely didn't need to make a response on this situation, but the fact you did in such a respectful and educational way was inspiring. I hope people take something from this on not only what Parody is, but how to deal with conflict in a respectful and humble way. You also come across far more professional tham Gabbie will ever be. Keep being you and doing what you love! X
This is a great video, educational and interesting. You're absolutely right to defend yourself against the narrative that the book was mean spirited - the proceeds literally went to charity and it was the most adorable thing ever!
I’m really surprised at how much I have thoroughly enjoyed your videos on literature Rachel. Literature as a whole is not one of my strong points (whenever the category comes up at my local Pub quiz the only useful thing I can contribute is going up to the bar for another round Lol) so I have really enjoyed the simple and passionate way you explain literary techniques, it makes me really appreciate and understand the art form more. I also have a lot of respect for you for being able to take what I can only imagine is a horrible experience for you personally and turning it in to a positive that benefits your viewers and educates us in something you clearly love. Best wishes to you and Kyra, have a wonderful day. 😊
Real talk tho: The Life-Changing Magic of Not Giving a F**k was a helpful and funny "parody book," and has nothing to do with The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up. Parody is a legit artform! (Also let's not forget... the classic comedy Airplane! was actually a nearly shot-for-shot remake of another film. And Scary Movie 3 is one of the funniest, most quotable movies of all time.)
From what I have seen The people who laugh the most at scary movie are the people who love scream. It reminds me of the show community which had a whole premise of parodying different iconic media. Undoubtedly the writers and actors in the show where paying homage to the original media, but the episode still managed to be funny and campy.
Are you familiar with the unsanitized original Fairy Tales? They're quite horrific. In the original Sleeping Beauty, Aurora is sent to sleep by a cursed sliver in her finger. After laying asleep, the king figures she won't mind if he has sex with her a few times. In her hidden chamber she gives birth to twins while still asleep. Seeking sustinance the babies try suckling on her fingers. When one of them dislodges the sliver she wakes up, the curse broken. All of this year of events and horrible abuse is condensed into a Prince kissing her awake in the Disney-fied version. IIRC, there's a point, while hiding with the Fae and using the name Briar Rose that she has non-consensual sex with a bear. I feel like I've blocked out the worst of the slaughter, cannibalism, and SA of those early stories. And they said historical literature courses would be a fun class at Uni. Ugh!
Yes! I’m actually so interested in the history of fairytales (and folklore in general) and have a couple of videos on it - there’s one on the origin of sleeping beauty, as you mentioned, and others on the littler mermaid and little red riding hood :) If you want to check them out, I hope you enjoy them ☺️
Rachel. Honestly don’t even worry about her. I feel so bad for you in this situation but no one cares what she has to say. We all know you weren’t in the wrong.
Yes get James Marriott’s ass. I used to watch him occasionally, I found his take on some topics valuable and some of his jokes funny, but when I watched his video about yours, I was really offended and baffled. Then when I saw iNabber’s response vs Marriott’s I saw that he was not someone I wanted to support.
i think his reviews have gotten a LOT kinder since he has personally felt what it's like to release art and receive criticism but his older videos ultimately do feel very mean? but i think thats...allowed. people are allowed to give very cutting and comedic criticism without any constructive feedback, the way movie critics Often do!
@@zorro...... I understand that but like Rachel said, hers was a lot more constructive in the way that gabbie said she wanted, and the way that james Marriott talked about Rachel and her videos was very misleading and kind of rude and was even kind of attacking her, was very uncalled for. gabbie attacking her criticism in comparison is just baffling. iNabber misrepresented Rachel, even to a lesser extent, and he held himself accountable in his next video, and kept up the original video with a statement in the comments apologizing. So even if James’ original critiques were not very constructive but still valid, he did spread misinformation about Rachel and her criticisms and had a bad response to that. even though I no longer find that kind of criticism entertaining, and I would understand why the creator may not enjoy hearing that form of criticism, there’s still room for it to exist. I didn’t want to support someone who didn’t seem genuine when they were held accountable for their misrepresentation of Rachel and her work. He wasn’t really criticizing Rachel’s videos I don’t think, correct me if I’m wrong because it’s been awhile since I saw the video but I think he was sort of defending gabbie in that video. So in the end I was just frustrated and disappointed in him and unsubbed 🤷♀️ hope that makes sense.
Thank you for talking about this! As a songwriter, I can say I’ve written a couple parodies of original pieces, and it’s just as fun as writing the original! Every video I’ve seen where someone says your parody book was in poor taste, I defended your actions. I stand by your parody, and Gabbie just can’t be helped at this point
Gabbie Hanna: Rachel, who I sent my book to so that it could be critiqued, is not enough of an artist or intellectual to critique my poetry, and also she was mean to me Rachel: So here's an hour-long video with many sources and examples about why you're wrong, all done in a kind and educational way that I know that you'll never watch (Also, I personally get really angry about people who discount someone's opinions because the person isn't smart enough, or educated enough, or doesn't have enough experience with the thing they're criticizing. It was rude of Gabbie to imply that your art isn't art, and that you don't have the intelligence or education or artistic experience to criticize her work. It was also rude and, quite frankly, wrong, of her to imply that those things are necessary at all for a valuable critique of a work. The entire point of parody is to make critique more accessible, so that you don't need to meet a certain standard to understand and participate.)
That first Adultolescence review actually got me back into creative writing (and now every time Rachel talks about poetry it makes me do a double take on my own poetry and songwriting lol). So at least one good thing came out of Gabbie's... thing.
You are such a genuine, kind hearted creator (and human!). You are also the reason I’ve started reading all my poetry books again. I was a huge fan of Banjo Patterson as a child, and you have rekindled that love of his poetry for me. You should be so proud of the happiness and love for literature you bring to the world! 💖
Very late to the party, but: Even if somebody didn't know anything about the drama between these two, the way they are behaving and reacting to each others videos is enough to paint the picture. Gabbie gets personally offensive and belittling, using coarse language. Rachel stays calm and tries to educate. The more Gabbie defends herself, the more she needs to defend herself.
this was excellent. i learned a lot about parody and its role in the world. especially i appreciated how you said that parody gives a way to make poetry critique more accessible to people who don't or can't read a more academic critique of the work. also giving a more full history of the uses of parody and reminding me that parody is not simply a mean-spirited mockery, but is a part of the literary tradition and that an excellent response is to lean in to the parody. after watching for weeks the gabbie hanna debacle/meltdown/etc, i'll admit i was still a bit dubious as to whether or not you writing doggolescence was 'fair' - but you convinced me in this video that your parody book was more than fair - so thank you for that.
God you're so smart. I remember watching James "review" and just stopping halfway because of how unnecessary cruel it was, but yours I rewatched so many times because every time I felt I learned a lit bit more. And for real, who gets mad because of a book about a dog?! It's the cutest thing ever. Let's use her own argument against her, how dare she mock Kyra's trauma? I'm really glad this didn't stopped you from making more videos. Keep being awesome!
If someone needs to prove to you that they understand art and are "intellectual enough" in order for you to take their criticism into consideration, it's a massive sign that you can't handle criticism. Not directed at Rachel, at all.
Just to give you credit: I believe Gabbie attack you, because you were the first person to go viral criticizing her poems. You raised awareness and made a trend of reading her book and pointing out how terrible it is. I believe that's where you got under her skin and it goes beyond just seeing you as an easy target.
This is one of the best response videos I've ever seen. Enlightening the viewer of your perspective from an educational standpoint allows us to understand the concept as a whole, then apply it to your specific situation. Loved it.
As someone who is graduating from arts school, I can confirm (not that Rachel needs it) that this is a very solid and uncontroversial analysis of the genre! The description that Rachel has given on the genre of parody is the stuff you hear in 1st-year English classes. Gabbie and those who defend her in this particular subject are simply displaying their gross lack of knowledge of literature.
i found your account through your gabbie hanna videos bc honestly i wanted to see someone just tear her writing apart because it was so bad. I stayed and subscribed to you because you had reasons, comparisons, and examples! your videos ARE art. you put so much effort and it is noticeable
I love hearing your take on writing styles. So succinct and well informed. Please don't let the reactions of those who don't bother to take in your content get you down. You rock!
First of all, the editing in this video is top-notch. But also, I absolutely love this video. It’s so academic and informative without ever being dry. But this video also takes this horrible situation you were thrust and turns it into a learning experience. Critique is one of the ways we advance as a society. It can force you to confront problematic things. The driving force behind it is the idea that we can be better-whether you’re using the object of the critique as a positive or negative example. Bravo, Rachel.
It’s so crazy because when you did your original video on her poetry, I just thought “wow Rachel just gave the whole internet a thoughtful and useful lesson on poetry. Gabbie should be paying for writing workshops like this.” And gabbie couldn’t take help if it was literally being tube fed to her.
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I love that Rachel settles every score with education. My favorite thing about this channel is how much I learn. I wasn't really that interested in poetry before Rachel started making videos about it, but some of the poetry that's been discussed here has given me a true appreciation for it and made me realize perhaps I just wasn't understanding poetry. Thank you Rachel for seeing so many situations as a teaching opportunity!
If you wanna see more people settle every score with education, stop on by my favorite TH-cam channel, Zelph on the Shelf.
They’re exmo bisexual dreamboats go support them 💖
Exactly my thoughts. Not my words as I couldn't put it better myself 😆
My thoughts exactly! 🙌
I feel the exact same way. Before her channel the last time I examined poetry was in high school English. I wouldn’t have expected myself to enjoy analyzing poetry in my free time.
I agree. Very classy, and like if you're able to, why not put as much good in the world as possible?
Rachel Oates DESTROYS parody critics with FACTS and LOGIC and her DOG
"A hate campaign against my poetry book." You were so graceful and respectful in your reviews. Also, Gabbie calling you names makes me want to fight.
“A hate campaign against my book, even though I sent her the book with the explicit connotation it was a bribe to give it 5 stars.” Like wow gabbie you’re so generous! Making reviewers not have to buy a book themselves for like $4 on eBay.
Like. Gabbie. If you hand someone your shit on a plate they’re not obligated to eat it with tears of thanks in their eyes because you had the big heartedness to shit on a plate just for them.
Peaked. In. High. School.
same, I literally can't listen to the clips of gabbie talking about rachel whenever somebody puts it in their video because it just makes me so angry and upset
Samesies- and like everyone is usually like threatening violence is not okay but sometimes bullies need a good smack!
How many people is Gabbie calling names at this point? Because it's been at that "maybe it's you" stage with her for years it seems.
@@Lucifersfursona Take this with a huge grain of salt, but word on the street was that it was none other than creepshow art that told gabbie to send Rachel that book for some reason. IF true, there could be a myriad of possible explanations
Parody has ALWAYS had its place in art, regardless of if some people feel that its mean spirited. Art is allowed to be mean, confronting, a direct insult to someone, or whatever the hell else you want it to be.
So much yes💚
So much no
@@evileyeinteractivellcindie3712 Yes. You are allowed to offend people with your art. And they're allowed to feel offended, even hurt, and allowed to respond to you. They're then allowed to respond to your response. Freedom doesn't mean freedom from all consequences. But consequences don't mean that freedom should be taken away.
@@EclecticallyEccentric I wonder how you would feel if people made animations of every death possible
@@evileyeinteractivellcindie3712 how edgy
"She's not a professional, I don't want to hear her opinion." Does she think that professionals just start their career as professionals?
When I was in my creative writing classes in college, the only people who gave their thoughts on the pieces were the ones who weren't professionals. My prof gave a LITTLE of her thoughts, but that was just to get the class going. The majority of the critiques I received in my classes were from other students.
Professionals aren't the only ones with credit....
Exactly.
Especially because professionals make up only a small percentage of most branches/peoples target audiences. So it's important to hear critique coming from your readers in this case, no matter if professional or not.
This! Critiquing each other's works was a huge part of my creative writing classes! Also, the most valuable.
Mood tho. One of my favorite examples is one of the most important poets in ancient China called 白居易 would insist on having uneducated or even illiterate commoners to listen to him read his poems, and help him reflect on how his poems could be more accessible to the common masses, without throwing all techniques out of the window.
I just find it so obnoxious of gabbie to be insisting that Rachel has no right to criticize her work, even though almost anyone of any educational background should have the right to criticize it. (And ffs Rachel is literally educated deeply in literature, and she also has so many amazing works)
the audacity of miss gabbie😶
Gabby: "she doesn't know what she's talking about, she has no qualifications to critique me!
Rachel: *drops an hour and 15 minutes of a (wonderfully) nerdy deep dive into parody*
It's truly beautiful to see,
Best response
the way rachel responds to gabbie is so classy and educational
agreed when I saw this video title I giggled and got suuper excited to learn about parody
I agree! She always seems to be respectful and informative in her videos. :D /gen
Thank you all! ❤️
@@RachelOates love u rachel ❤️
@@RachelOates no thank YOU for putting defining parody / defying gravity in my head cause I'll be singing that for the rest of the day now
Everyone say it with me, just because a book is ABOUT an important topic doesn't make the book automatically GOOD or IMPORTANT. I'm only one minute into the video and I'm so irritated with Gabbie. Ugghhhhhh. I hope what she says doesn't get to you Rachel, cause she's just wrong on so many levels.
YES! The Room is about the importance of empathy and emotional openness in a romantic relationship and Birdemic is about the dangers of global warming and the effects it had on both nature and mankind. Those important messages don't suddenly make those movies good!
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amen. I've seen some absolutely atrociously written books that tend to revolve around domestic violence, particularly in the romance genre...
@@JackedThor-so How dare you😤! Birdemic is a classic of our time, if you squint while watching the film through frosted glass those birds even look quite lifelike!
Perhaps the greatest irony about Adogsolesence is that it’s a far better pastiche/love letter to Shel Silverstein than Adultsolesence, as well as being better poetry in general
Kyra is perhaps the most underrated poet of modern times and somehow I’m not even kidding when typing that
(tbf, I don’t generally know or honestly care much about poetry, but Kyra is still one of my favorite poets)
She is certainly one of the cutest poets ever! That smile, that ball! Magical!
The author pics in the book make it clear that Kyra is also the most beautiful poet of all time
For someone who’s entire career is founded on being a creator online, Gabbie has INSANELY thin skin. I’ve seen 11 year olds with more composure than her
To quote fat sajak: "I've seen thicker skin on pudding"
Skin thinner than my patience for her bs
I have thicker skin than her, and I have a chronic illness that makes my skin extremely thin in comparison to the average person!
@@manifestationsofasort Damn straight!
On a side note, I recognize your profile picture. RIP Joey Jordison
Gabbie would foam her mouth if she go to an art college lol
Imagine her at a jury
I love how she said you were hateful and manipulative when you handled your overall negative review (which is valid since it’s an opinion, you never attacked her as a person) with such poise and grace and genuine respect for the possibility of her growth as a writer.
@Nina Try telling gabbie that not everything is about her or for her...
I know this isn’t what the video is focused on- but the snippets of Gabbie bullying and being so verbally atrocious to you are so hard to hear, it’s so upsetting. I’m sorry you had to go through that Rachel.
Right??? Hearing her words was genuinely triggering to me.
I agree. I cannot imagine how much that must've hurt Rachel. GH is repugnant and should be embarrassed by her horrendous behavior.
I agree! I always physically recoil when I hear those clips. It’s so needlessly malicious and uncomfortable to hear. Gabbie’s air of nonchalance doesn’t fit the words she’s saying or her tone, and it’s so strange to witness her go off so aggressively on someone as sweet and undeserving as Rachel. If anything, Gabbie is the “sick twisted b*tch” here
Those clips show Gabbie is undeniably verbally and emotionally abusive. And not just throwing it around like Gabbie does when projecting. Those clips show legitimate abuse.
Kyra is pure. Her love is real and unconditional. She doesn't lie. She doesn't call anybody a b*tch. Being compared to her is a compliment.
This. Ever noticed how she usually squeezes herself between Rachel and the camera or fools around when Rachel is getting upset over a topic? Kyra has loads of empathy and wants to distract her from whatever is upsetting her. She is a lot kinder than Gabbie has probably been in her entire lifetime.
Exactly!!!
For someone who doesn't care about anyone's opinion, Gabbie sure seems to care a lot and give her opinions a lot and spent a lot of time ranting about people who criticize her.
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I mean if it's really that great and successful why give a shit about somebody doing a bad review?
I think that's usually the case with people who say oh I don't care about what others think or I do my own thing and I don't care at all about people. Like, if you need to tell people you don't care about what they think or in general that you're not influenced by what people think, are you really? Hope she eventually realizes all her mistakes and why people don't like her on TH-cam in the first place.
Gabbie: "she hasn't proven to me that she's intellectual enough to understand art"
Also Gabbie: * sends her book to Rachel to review *
Also, didn't Gabbie say she doesn't watch """hate videos""" about herself?
She decided that Rachel's video was hate, still send Rachel her 2nd book, then insulted Rachel saying she isn't educated/intellectual/artistic enough?
_That's what I was thinking, it makes no sense at all!_
The fact that GABBIE HANNA of all people said that YOU aren’t “intellectual enough” to have an opinion on her mediocre book that wouldn’t have had any real success on its own merits (if not for her youtube career) makes me furious. You are so intelligent, respectful, and well-spoken. Ridiculous.
Right? What bothers me even more is that Gabbie tried to give herself credibility by pointing out her book was a New York Times Bestseller- as if her name and career had no hand in that. Also, I find that very misleading. There have been great artists who died penniless and unknown; your popularity isn’t the universal measure of your quality.
@@d13_a also, the bestseller list is bs. Savy writes books does a great video on it.
Thank you so much ❤️
@@d13_a Very true.
@@d13_a I think that says it all about GH really. She is forever stuck as the high school girl who values popularity over quality, good character, and substance.
That compilation was horrifying. I've seen a different clip of her saying the same stuff but I didn't realise just how MUCH she was attacking you. This wasn't a case of her being upset because she thought she was getting bullied. I sincerely believe she's well aware you were completely civil and just wanted to punish you for not giving her praise she feels she deserves.
Sooo dodgy that she sent you her book "for people who understand and appreciate poetry" and then when she saw it wasn't just praise, turns around and says you aren't an artist & have no credibility. Narrative just keeps changing to whatever she thinks will benefit her, at the expense other people's welfare. Its really disturbing. She's deflecting her dark traits onto people that didn't do anything wrong.
Yeah, it’s was honestly pretty scary to see it all when it was happening :/
@@RachelOates I commend you for being able watch through those clips again while editing them ... It's unbearable to me to a point I had to skip that part 🥺.
@@RachelOates Honestly I still find it scary to watch those clips. She seems almost unballanced in them.
Gabbie actually posted a total of 9+ minutes worth of vile, abusive Instagram stories about Rachel. I haven’t even watched all of it because the few clips I have seen in other people’s videos were so disgusting and cruel.
@@Julie-ik9crbig yikes.. I don't have Instagram, but that sounds like something that should've been mass-reported & resulted in consequences to her account. Isn't that violating terms of service by misusing the app for purposeful harm?
Gabbie obviously knows those videos would result in fans swarming to Rachel, and possibly encouraging dangerous interactions in real life.
As people have pointed out, Gabbie wouldn’t last a day in art school or in writing workshops. I wonder if she took any to prepare for her book, or if she studied at all.
(I understand that not everyone has access to an education and it is not necessary to have one in order to make art, but Gabbie absolutely has the means to put herself through one if poetry interested her seriously.)
And I believe she wouldn’t have lasted because the whole point of workshops is learning and then receiving feedback from peers and professionals. People who taught me told me that the more “pro” they get, the more ruthless the criticism is. It betters you and prepares you for actual criticism in reviews. But Gabbie cannot take a gram of criticism.
Didn't she have education in psychology? Look how well she is implementing that in her life randomly calling people narcissists and other actual mental conditions, very professional.
I read a book about the Iowa Writer’s Workshop once which opened with a description of how indigenous poets on a tiny island - Kiribati, I think? - have had a practice similar to workshopping for a long, long time: when someone feels the need to write a poem, he’d go off and sit alone to compose the poem in his head. Once a sort of “draft” was thought up, he’d get together several trusted poet friends and recite to them; they’d cheer when they liked something and rip the speaker a new one when they did not. Then the poet would go away alone again overnight to take the criticism deemed useful, discard that which was not, and make any other improvements before going back to the village, where the final version would be incorporated into the verbal culture.
All this to say that while a university education and/or wide reading are useful for poets, you could still become quite talented without them, or even without paper and pen - if you have the mental toughness to actively seek out audiences that can and will be brutally honest (I think the book put it as something like “caring more about the work coming into being than about the author’s feelings”), and then the perspective and good grace to *listen to them*. You may not accept every suggestion, but do think about them seriously before you do so.
(For whatever it’s worth, I do actually have some professional credentials to back up that last statement - I write test questions. Three reviewers read and comment on each one, then it is sent back to me. I am allowed to reject a suggestion, but I am expected to add a note explaining why. Then the boss reads all these notes and either accepts my reasoning or kicks it back to me. Sometimes the boss agrees with my reasoning, sometimes the boss agrees with the reviewer, sometimes the boss agrees with neither of us and will send it back to me with their own feedback. That varies, but what doesn’t vary is that it really is nothing personal - the reputation of the business is tied up in producing the best-quality product possible, so if we want to keep getting paid, we’d best engage with the process and keep our minds on the product. Does it sting sometimes, even with something as impersonal as a test question? Yes, but that’s my problem, not the publisher’s, so I take a walk and get a grip and then act like a professional.)
As someone who studies literature and creative writing in university, I can almost guarantee you that Gabbie Hanna has never set foot in a writing workshop, especially one in an educational setting. To be frank, her work would be ripped to shreds by serious writers and poets. It is laughable garbage that she pushed out to make a quick buck off of the populaar Rupi Kaur aesthetic (which I'm also not a fan of but at least Kaur put a bit more effort and soul into her poetry than GH did). Any good writer or poet knows that criticism is a part of learning and is absolutely vital to improving. The fact that she went nuclear on Rachel for what was REALLY GOOD AND FAIR (albeit blunt) criticism just highlights how narcissistic and delusional GH is. She is the type of girl that I've met in my writing classes who spends an hour writing a poem, and she expects everyone to praise her for it, even though others have put far more time and care into their work. Good art production always involves criticism and revision. GH is not a mature or talented artist--I hesitate to even call her one at all--and she will never become one because she does not understand how constructive criticism works in the field of art production.
Yeah, the way she handles even PERCEIVED rejection makes it clear she never had to do those class critiques with everyone tearing your piece apart. She’s very obviously one of those Art People who thinks anything they do is Art because they’re an Artist. (She’s even referred to her recent drama series as an artistic work.)
Right? I would've killed for criticism as kind as Rachels. Usually, the way they give you feedback in uni or workshops is RUTHLESS 😂
Cervantes deserves a movie himself, I mean he was a veteran of one of the most important battles of all time (Lepanto), spent years in a Barbary jail, came home to Spain, returned to living something of a vagabond life and then said:
“I’m going to write a spoof of romantic chivalric adventure stories that I hate”
*Don Quixote becomes far more popular than any of the stories it was spoofing, with an international and enduring legacy*
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I’d like to add, that even if Doggolescence started as a parody of just Hanna’s book/writing style, it’s has actually become more of a parody of a systemic issue within poetry, where big name publishers hand book deals for poetry books to already famous people so that they can capitalize on a low effort to high marketing ratio, where they need to do little marketing themselves, as the ‘author’ has a preexisting audience that they can market to on their end. Thus leaving the lonely poetry shelf in big book stores, overrun with similar poetry books, with similar covers and similar content, while classics and new/unknown poets are shoved to the bottom row.
Having studied parody and fair use in a legal sense for the undergraduate law degree I just completed, it’s clear a lot of people don’t understand the legality around parody and how it works.
Edit: I meant GH when I typed this, but thought I better clarify 😅
@@SpyderT22 basically it’s a Bachelor of Arts in law, or a degree in legal philosophy and theory, but I am not a lawyer. I can work at a law firm as a researcher or legal aid, but can’t go to court or anything, you have to do postgrad or that. A lot of people go from undergrad into tax law or legal research, I’m heading into teaching. I start my masters of teaching in November.
I still think Doggolescense is a hilarious book filled with poems about how dogs see the world, and Kyra should be very proud of her work!
I genuinly admire how you deal with situations like this with such class, Rachel 😉🍷
That means a lot, thank you so much
100% Agree 🍷
Cheers mate!😊🥂
You can really see this girl's super insecure.
She doesn't even have the composure to stop herself from insulting you in the filthiest and crudest of ways.
Somebody who's sure on who they are would never act in such a childish way.
That's what people do when they don't like the criticism but have no way to refute it, they either gracefully accept it and learn from it or have a meltdown and try to demonise the other person. Pretty sad.
Gabby keeps trying to frame this as a bitter feud, when it's actually her having a tantrum over her mediocre work and immature behavior being criticized. It's like you're one punch man and she's speed of sound sonic. Sorry, anime geek.
One punch man is pretty great!
I recently finished OPM and this comparison is hilarious but on point
I'm a literature and creative writing undergraduate student, and this was at a level of my university lessons. It was so much fun and educational!
Without parodies, we wouldn't have films like Spaceballs and Monty Python and the Holy Grail. That's not a world I want to be in.
Omg, or Blazing Saddles, or Young Frankenstein!
On the other hand we wouldn't have all these sequels and spinoffs of Scary Movie, that world I would want to live in.
@@torkelsvenson6411 fair enough! Those movies are terrible!
I don't want to live in a world without Weird Al in it
Also Princess Bride and Robin Hood: Men in Tights, that would be a travesty.
Well spoken, a great breakdown of parody.
The hypocrisy in her saying you mocked her trauma,
meanwhile shes mocks trauma that you myself and others have gone through with the "hair cutting" poem,
and furthermore disregarded your dogs trauma is outrageous.
@2:05 “I know that if I did anything like this, I would be called manipulative, sociopathic, narcissistic, attention hungry, money hungry. But that is what are.”
Projecting much Gabs?
It's extremely admirable seeing that you titled this video with no mention of Gabbie Hanna or any huge face that gets you attention even though this situation is rooted in publicity on GH's side. Instead of slumping to her level you instead carry yourself high and change the topic into a way to educate and explain.
I love how all your responses are always educative. She defends a badly written poem saying her intent was something else? Here's a video on Death of the Author. She calls your parody bullying? Here's a video on parody, it's history and function. Amazing video!
Just wanted to say, I got an ad at 42:51 so that I heard "it's somehow degrading to be compared to .. California homeowners" and I'm finding it hilarious, help
😂😂😂
I imagine you’re kidding when you say “help”, but just in case not: with TH-cam Premium, ads just aren’t a thing! (Except when they’re baked into the videos by the creators. Alas, that continues to be a thing. But it wouldn’t create a situation quite like what you’re describing here.)
@@DavidLindes I'm a bit too broke for that, but honestly the times like this when the ads make things funny are worth it! (I meant more like help, how do I deal with funny stuff without losing it -- but thanks for the reply anyways!)
@@sashakononova8968 fair enough. And gladly. :)
Getting opinions only from "artistic talented and intelligent people" is disgustingly elitistic and reinforces the negative stereotype that art is snobby and for the few. It makes me really angry and it is not talked about enough.
Glad you are not backing down while still staying kind, as always. Much love to Kyra and you ♥️✨
So wait...Gabbie considered her work a parody, but then she got mad when someone parodied _her_ work?!?
Gabbie must have gone to the same writing workshop as Addison Cain.
@@EclecticallyEccentric lmao! I hope you've seen the Lindsay Ellis' video about that. Jenny Nicholson's reading of Addison Cain's messages in particular was especially hilarious.
Major hypocrisy!
i think its important to say that parody doesn't take away from the original work; you mentioned don quijote quite a few times. does it make novels about knights saving damsels in distress any less gripping in and of itself? does bo burnham's (also mentioned quite a few times) 'kanye west monologue' take away from his music? does the addams family (my personal favourite parody/genre subversion) take away enjoyment of family sit coms? personally i don't think so. a good artwork, even a cliché one, can 'survive' and outlive parody.
I bought Doggolescence a couple months ago. It's hilarious, and also made me weirdly emotional at times. I love it so much.
And Rachel, the way you've handled the past year is really incredible. I don't think I'd be able to be as strong as you have.
Thanks for continuing to make constructive videos like this one.
Yeah I found most of it really sweet, and her love for her dog really shines through her words. I cried in parts because I lost my beautiful boy last year.
As a PhD student in literature, this is such an outstanding overview. Once you start bringing in Linda Hutcheon and Russian Formalism in an accessible way it shows you've really done the work to understand the history of the field. Well done and I loved the editing on this one!
There was a period in my life in which I would only really listen to parody songs and watch parody youtube videos etc. And whilst now I have diversified my taste a bit, I still really appreciate parody as an artform. Gabbie should be honoured that her book got enough reach for you to make a parody of it.
I think anyone with internet connection that grew up in the early 2000s had that period in their life lol
@@novepipps so true
@@novepipps nah it's just all the parody loving kids grew up to be commentary loving adults so we're all still together.
Yup. I used to listen A LOT to Rucka Rucka Ali before I learnt English. You can imagine my face when I was able to understand the lyrics. Now I enjoy mostly true crime, commentary and reddit narrations (even though I don't listen much to the latter)
As a Lit student, this type of video makes me so happy and excited. It's so well done, which is not surprising coming from you 😊❤️
(p.s everybody should read Northanger Abbey, it's a masterpiece. In fact, read Austen's entire body of work😂)
Parody is FUNDAMENTAL to all types of art. Anything from "Adogsolescence" to Dadaism to Weird Al to "Trans Wizard Harriet Porber And The Bad Boy Parasaurolophus" is incredibly important.
Old comment but I was sooo excited to see this mentioned! I love Chuck Tingles work, hes genuinely genius
I was initially on the side that the parody book was a step too far. Primarily, the reason I thought it was verging on bullying was down to Gabbie's reaction to it. Her feelings were hurt. She clearly is very personally attached to the things she creates and is sensitive to people's perceptions of her and her art.
But, admittedly, I've read neither book (although I watched your reviews of her poetry). Knowing your personality online, however, and having consumed so much of your content/art, I do personally trust that there wouldn't be anything in the book that could ever be misconstrued as bullying *or intended to cause harm*. As you said, it's the idea of a parody that triggered her, not the actual content of your book.
Ultimately, I agree the book itself is harmless.
Thank you for taking the time to discuss this point of contention at length and coming at it from a place of calm and education.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and consider all this ❤️
I was initially on the same side. I can't stand Gabbie, but as someone who had never heard of Rachel,(or what she does) it did sound kind of cruel. Once you look into the actual content and the full context you see a very different picture. Gabbie is smart and incredibly manipulative, she knew by saying it was mocking an abused child those of us who had experienced CSA or something similar would immediately be triggered. I'll admit that's what happened with me, and what my original opinion was based off of, my own trauma. I'm not proud of believing her on this one thing even for the few day that I did. But I really hope others look into it as well and realize that they're being manipulated. Gabbie needs help, although I doubt she's willing to put the work in to truly change. It's not easy looking at yourself, realizing faults, and then making changes. Especially when you're used to getting your own way.
gh is the queen of dramatic overreaction to criticism of any sort. If all it took was to hurt her feelings, any content on her would be bullying
Yes! Thank you for standing up for yourself and other female creators and artists. Thank you for believing in your own work and not apologising for the quality you know you made. What a great example to set.
Nice! I distinctly remember buying 50 Sheds of Grey for a friend at Christmas. It was just a daft Christmas novelty book in all the bookshops. I really wouldn't expect EL James to smear my name and use misogynist language over tik tok because of it
Lol I got that book for my Dad, he loves sheds. 😄
@@rubybuttons668 right?! It was funny
Lol what? She got mad at you because you bought a parody of her book?
@@mramos7887 No, Gabbie got angry with Rachel
@@MadeleineSwannSurreal oop I misread
Anyway I’m glad we don’t live in the world where EL James slanders people for enjoying parodies
Satire and parody are actually LEGALLY PROTECTED art forms (in the United States, I cannnot speak on laws in other countries). Shows like Family Guy that often poke fun at powerful people are protected from slander and libel lawsuits under copyright law. Parody and satire fulfill significant cultural roles. They are federally recognized art forms.
The fact that doggolescence was selling more copies than gabbies book is my favorite piece of information in this video
I grew up in an alcoholic, abusive household. I still, to this day, have emotional and mental issues from it, as well as difficulty speaking to people I disagree with in a respectful way. I understand how being in an abusive situation can make you more sensitive to perceived threats, and how your reactions to those perceived threats can seem over the top to "outsiders".
That being said, GH's reaction was incredibly unhealthy. One of the things you learn in trauma-oriented therapy is that while your reactions may seem rational and acceptable to you, they may not always be healthy to you or to the people who, in some way, are affected by your reaction. Feeling attacked by a negative review is understandable. Being upset by this, perhaps more than "normal", is also understandable. Neither of those are inherently bad. But what is bad is going on an online tirade where you call someone narcissistic, a weird ass bitch, etc for millions of people to see and where that tirade will always exist (because nothing is truly gone on the internet). That is not a healthy response, and I personally get so frustrated when people use their trauma to justify traumatizing someone else.
Good for you not stooping to her level. You can honestly say you never attacked her character only her work. Taking this situation and turning it into an educational moment is such a power move and I love it.
Also I almost cried listening to you talk about how much your dogs perspective is valid that was beautiful ❤
I just ordered the paperback version of Doggolescence! 🐶 I am also a rescue dog mumma, and the way you love Kyra makes my heart so happy. Sending lots of love to you & Kyra ♥️
At this point, I expected nothing less than a eloquent, well researched, thiughtful response from you, Rachel. Parody absolutely has a place in literature and all media, and has for tens of thousands of years.
I’m so glad you made this video, not just because you’re standing up for yourself , but I also got to learn a lot. It’s one thing if Gabbie was hurt by the fact that you criticized her work and made a parody book, but the way she decided to go after you was completely wrong. I’ve also been annoyed with people who said that you making your parody book about your dog was somehow offensive. It’s very clear that you care about Kyra very much and that’s why you made it based on her.
So her poetry is simultaneously a parody of Shel Silverstein and a non-parody of her traumatic childhood? Lmao
No need to apologise for the length of this video; admittedly, I had to break it up into parts, but I really enjoyed the learning experience. Great work on this video and Doggolescence!
Somehow I feel like your content has gotten so much stronger after all the GH debacle, and i'm so glad you were able to put yourself up after all that! Props! I'm really liking it.
The painting of mushrooms in the background looks like the bisexual flag. Thank you for reading my PSA
Wonderfully colourful, isn't it!
I’m still angry on your behalf with the James Marriot situation. I used to be a subscriber, of his but after that I was out. You are so kind, thoughtful, and constructive with your reviews and these d udes of TH-cam should really stay in their lane or at least, you know, WATCH your videos before they speak about them. 🙄
I hope you are doing well and I’ve been really enjoying your content, including the newer passion projects like the Fungi video. I had never cared about fungi before but you made it such a captivating, relaxing and educational watch that I’ve recommended it to friends and rewatched a few times and at this point am willing to watch any and everything you put out.
Thank you for being such an awesome creator 💜💜
Ohmygoddess Rachel Oats hearted my comment and I am losing it. This will be the best thing to happen to me all day. 🤯✨💜
So just going through all these to see if I've got them straight:
1) Gabbie says her book is a parody of other books, but then can't handle when her book is parodied.
2) Gabbie says the book is written from the perspective of an abused child.
3) Same book also says things like, "Make others buy their own copy of my book because I want a Lamborghini." Which doesn't seem to in any way to substantiate the idea that the book is written from the perspective of an abused child.
4) Gabbie then further substantiates the idea she's heavily or even primarily concerned about money and not simply kidding with the above poem by talking about how the book is consistently making/selling $40,000 a month for years up until her own "parody" is parodied.
5) You're actually not making any money off your parody and are instead donating the profits to an animal rescue shelter.
6) Gabbie claims you mocked her trauma relentlessly for pointing out her writing style seemed lazy.
7) Gabbie calls you manipulative, narcissistic, sociopathic, and money hungry.
It seems to me that Gabbie might just be projecting a bit when she calls you manipulative, narcissistic, sociopathic, and money hungry.
I love her "I only take criticism from talented smart people" when she literally sent you the book... knowing you would review it... what?!
Good response. I have a lot of thoughts about everything that's happened in the last six weeks, but I want to swallow those because I look forward to when your channel isn't burdened by Gabbie or Jimmy or any drama with other creators. You are an intellectual with a lot of empathy and integrity and it's unfortunate that the drama effected you. For what it's worth you have my support.
You deserved absolutely NONE of the abuse she subjected you to, I am so sorry you’ve gone through this. Love you and your channel, thank you for creating such passionate and educational content ❤️
I think you hit the nail on the head when it comes to the consumption of literary analysis. I love learning about quite a lot of things, but I'm a college student. Right now I don't really have the time to research these kinds of things on my own, when there are mandatory topics I must study instead. Your videos are an easy to understand, digestible introduction to many of the topics I'm extremely interested in. Thank you for working so hard, and for giving us an easier way to access information not all of us have the time or resources for.
Thank you so much!
Ik Michael Bublé had a really chill reaction to Bad Lip Reading’s parody of one of his songs called Russian Unicorn. Best reaction I’ve seen, it’s a breath of fresh air.
Finally!! I can’t stand the commentary channels that say “in my opinion she shouldn’t have done that” when they can probably quote A Very Potter Musical. They just show that they are not equipped to comment on the situation, literature is filled with parodies and fanfiction (anyone remember the post about how Paradise Lost and Dante’s inferno are Bible fanfiction? They got it right)
It's been a very long time since I've witnessed this level of erudite butt-stomping. Epic, I daresay. Not an artist, Gabby says, and this. . .this masterpiece is the response.
Art can be many thing but not all art is good.
I dont think gabbie knows the difference between a pastiche and a parody, since Adultolesence is apparently a shel silverstein parody.
THIS.
Lol, I don’t even know what a pastiche is. 😂
@@rubybuttons668 That’s ok, I talk about it a little in the video and pop a definition on screen :) it’s not a hugely common term in just say to day speech but very basically it’s a piece of work that simply imitates another style of work
@@rubybuttons668 Sounds delicious though.
From the content of her that I have seen it seems she does not believe in theory behind poetry, she sees it just as "I express my feelings the way I want and art has no rules". While technically true she somehow doesn't understand that it does not mean her poetry is good or that given the fact that the book is pretty expensive - it can be reviewed as any other poetry and be held to the same standards.
The little smile and giggle when she gets excited or finds something humorous honestly just made my day ♥️♥️♥️
"she hasn't proven to me that she's intellectual enough to understand art"
There's definitely some deep-seated insecurities being projected, jesus christ.
wow, if you don't understand art, I'd love to be as "ignorant" as this :) I do math, so I'm from a different academic sphere, but I can tell when someone does honest work, so I appreciate that here.
Parody is one the most important and celebrated genre's out there. Just in the film industry those who create parodies and satire absolutely beloved. Mel Brooks and Tyler Perry are considered two of the greatest film makers of all time, the Wayan's bros and Will Ferrell are beloved. Airplane! Elf, Hot Fuzz and Sharknado are beloved pieces of media and our culture. A parody can be the best compliment you will ever receive or the harshest criticism. I think Gabbi's reaction speaks to her fragility, her reactionariness and her world view. She doesn't think she has any good faith criticism, everybody is attacking her, personally and she has to attack them in kind.
You definitely didn't need to make a response on this situation, but the fact you did in such a respectful and educational way was inspiring. I hope people take something from this on not only what Parody is, but how to deal with conflict in a respectful and humble way. You also come across far more professional tham Gabbie will ever be. Keep being you and doing what you love! X
This is a great video, educational and interesting. You're absolutely right to defend yourself against the narrative that the book was mean spirited - the proceeds literally went to charity and it was the most adorable thing ever!
I’m really surprised at how much I have thoroughly enjoyed your videos on literature Rachel. Literature as a whole is not one of my strong points (whenever the category comes up at my local Pub quiz the only useful thing I can contribute is going up to the bar for another round Lol) so I have really enjoyed the simple and passionate way you explain literary techniques, it makes me really appreciate and understand the art form more.
I also have a lot of respect for you for being able to take what I can only imagine is a horrible experience for you personally and turning it in to a positive that benefits your viewers and educates us in something you clearly love.
Best wishes to you and Kyra, have a wonderful day. 😊
Real talk tho: The Life-Changing Magic of Not Giving a F**k was a helpful and funny "parody book," and has nothing to do with The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up. Parody is a legit artform!
(Also let's not forget... the classic comedy Airplane! was actually a nearly shot-for-shot remake of another film. And Scary Movie 3 is one of the funniest, most quotable movies of all time.)
From what I have seen The people who laugh the most at scary movie are the people who love scream.
It reminds me of the show community which had a whole premise of parodying different iconic media. Undoubtedly the writers and actors in the show where paying homage to the original media, but the episode still managed to be funny and campy.
Mel Brookes: a director who built his entire career on parody. I don’t see anyone calling him a weird ass bitch… not in public at least. Lol 😄
Love you're handling this Gabbie situation. Can genuinely not stand people like that who get all mad when they recieve criticism.
Are you familiar with the unsanitized original Fairy Tales? They're quite horrific. In the original Sleeping Beauty, Aurora is sent to sleep by a cursed sliver in her finger. After laying asleep, the king figures she won't mind if he has sex with her a few times. In her hidden chamber she gives birth to twins while still asleep. Seeking sustinance the babies try suckling on her fingers. When one of them dislodges the sliver she wakes up, the curse broken.
All of this year of events and horrible abuse is condensed into a Prince kissing her awake in the Disney-fied version.
IIRC, there's a point, while hiding with the Fae and using the name Briar Rose that she has non-consensual sex with a bear.
I feel like I've blocked out the worst of the slaughter, cannibalism, and SA of those early stories. And they said historical literature courses would be a fun class at Uni. Ugh!
Yes! I’m actually so interested in the history of fairytales (and folklore in general) and have a couple of videos on it - there’s one on the origin of sleeping beauty, as you mentioned, and others on the littler mermaid and little red riding hood :) If you want to check them out, I hope you enjoy them ☺️
Rachel. Honestly don’t even worry about her. I feel so bad for you in this situation but no one cares what she has to say. We all know you weren’t in the wrong.
gabbie is just pathetic at this point, i don’t understand how she still has supporters.
Parody is an art form, and I believe that if there's a piece of art that you put out into the world, it can be subject to that.
Yes get James Marriott’s ass. I used to watch him occasionally, I found his take on some topics valuable and some of his jokes funny, but when I watched his video about yours, I was really offended and baffled. Then when I saw iNabber’s response vs Marriott’s I saw that he was not someone I wanted to support.
Same. On top of the fact that I had already stopped watching his content as regularly, when the Rachel video came out, I knew it was time to unsub.
when does she talk about him??
@@ananya.a. the conclusion
i think his reviews have gotten a LOT kinder since he has personally felt what it's like to release art and receive criticism but his older videos ultimately do feel very mean? but i think thats...allowed. people are allowed to give very cutting and comedic criticism without any constructive feedback, the way movie critics Often do!
@@zorro...... I understand that but like Rachel said, hers was a lot more constructive in the way that gabbie said she wanted, and the way that james Marriott talked about Rachel and her videos was very misleading and kind of rude and was even kind of attacking her, was very uncalled for. gabbie attacking her criticism in comparison is just baffling. iNabber misrepresented Rachel, even to a lesser extent, and he held himself accountable in his next video, and kept up the original video with a statement in the comments apologizing. So even if James’ original critiques were not very constructive but still valid, he did spread misinformation about Rachel and her criticisms and had a bad response to that. even though I no longer find that kind of criticism entertaining, and I would understand why the creator may not enjoy hearing that form of criticism, there’s still room for it to exist. I didn’t want to support someone who didn’t seem genuine when they were held accountable for their misrepresentation of Rachel and her work. He wasn’t really criticizing Rachel’s videos I don’t think, correct me if I’m wrong because it’s been awhile since I saw the video but I think he was sort of defending gabbie in that video. So in the end I was just frustrated and disappointed in him and unsubbed 🤷♀️ hope that makes sense.
The fact that Gabbie says Rachel doesn't understand art and Rachel has so much technical knowledge. I have to laugh
Thank you for talking about this! As a songwriter, I can say I’ve written a couple parodies of original pieces, and it’s just as fun as writing the original! Every video I’ve seen where someone says your parody book was in poor taste, I defended your actions. I stand by your parody, and Gabbie just can’t be helped at this point
Thank you ❤️
Any time! ❤️
You've probably gotten this a lot, but you'd be such a great English teacher
Gabbie Hanna: Rachel, who I sent my book to so that it could be critiqued, is not enough of an artist or intellectual to critique my poetry, and also she was mean to me
Rachel: So here's an hour-long video with many sources and examples about why you're wrong, all done in a kind and educational way that I know that you'll never watch
(Also, I personally get really angry about people who discount someone's opinions because the person isn't smart enough, or educated enough, or doesn't have enough experience with the thing they're criticizing. It was rude of Gabbie to imply that your art isn't art, and that you don't have the intelligence or education or artistic experience to criticize her work. It was also rude and, quite frankly, wrong, of her to imply that those things are necessary at all for a valuable critique of a work. The entire point of parody is to make critique more accessible, so that you don't need to meet a certain standard to understand and participate.)
That first Adultolescence review actually got me back into creative writing (and now every time Rachel talks about poetry it makes me do a double take on my own poetry and songwriting lol). So at least one good thing came out of Gabbie's... thing.
You are such a genuine, kind hearted creator (and human!). You are also the reason I’ve started reading all my poetry books again. I was a huge fan of Banjo Patterson as a child, and you have rekindled that love of his poetry for me. You should be so proud of the happiness and love for literature you bring to the world! 💖
Very late to the party, but: Even if somebody didn't know anything about the drama between these two, the way they are behaving and reacting to each others videos is enough to paint the picture. Gabbie gets personally offensive and belittling, using coarse language. Rachel stays calm and tries to educate. The more Gabbie defends herself, the more she needs to defend herself.
this was excellent. i learned a lot about parody and its role in the world. especially i appreciated how you said that parody gives a way to make poetry critique more accessible to people who don't or can't read a more academic critique of the work. also giving a more full history of the uses of parody and reminding me that parody is not simply a mean-spirited mockery, but is a part of the literary tradition and that an excellent response is to lean in to the parody. after watching for weeks the gabbie hanna debacle/meltdown/etc, i'll admit i was still a bit dubious as to whether or not you writing doggolescence was 'fair' - but you convinced me in this video that your parody book was more than fair - so thank you for that.
also i am going to buy that anyone can be a poet tshirt because it is amazing!
God you're so smart. I remember watching James "review" and just stopping halfway because of how unnecessary cruel it was, but yours I rewatched so many times because every time I felt I learned a lit bit more.
And for real, who gets mad because of a book about a dog?! It's the cutest thing ever. Let's use her own argument against her, how dare she mock Kyra's trauma?
I'm really glad this didn't stopped you from making more videos. Keep being awesome!
If someone needs to prove to you that they understand art and are "intellectual enough" in order for you to take their criticism into consideration, it's a massive sign that you can't handle criticism.
Not directed at Rachel, at all.
Just to give you credit: I believe Gabbie attack you, because you were the first person to go viral criticizing her poems. You raised awareness and made a trend of reading her book and pointing out how terrible it is. I believe that's where you got under her skin and it goes beyond just seeing you as an easy target.
this was amazing. it is terrible how gabby has treated you but your strength in your responses is so wonderful to see.
This is one of the best response videos I've ever seen. Enlightening the viewer of your perspective from an educational standpoint allows us to understand the concept as a whole, then apply it to your specific situation. Loved it.
As someone who is graduating from arts school, I can confirm (not that Rachel needs it) that this is a very solid and uncontroversial analysis of the genre! The description that Rachel has given on the genre of parody is the stuff you hear in 1st-year English classes. Gabbie and those who defend her in this particular subject are simply displaying their gross lack of knowledge of literature.
i found your account through your gabbie hanna videos bc honestly i wanted to see someone just tear her writing apart because it was so bad. I stayed and subscribed to you because you had reasons, comparisons, and examples! your videos ARE art. you put so much effort and it is noticeable
I think Kyra was digging a hole in the couch to throw Adultolescence into.
I love hearing your take on writing styles. So succinct and well informed. Please don't let the reactions of those who don't bother to take in your content get you down. You rock!
First of all, the editing in this video is top-notch.
But also, I absolutely love this video. It’s so academic and informative without ever being dry. But this video also takes this horrible situation you were thrust and turns it into a learning experience. Critique is one of the ways we advance as a society. It can force you to confront problematic things. The driving force behind it is the idea that we can be better-whether you’re using the object of the critique as a positive or negative example.
Bravo, Rachel.
Good on you for taking the high road and not stooping to her level. You're classy, very classy!
It’s so crazy because when you did your original video on her poetry, I just thought “wow Rachel just gave the whole internet a thoughtful and useful lesson on poetry. Gabbie should be paying for writing workshops like this.” And gabbie couldn’t take help if it was literally being tube fed to her.
I don't know how I checked in at the EXACT right time but I'm so excited for this
With every new point you bring about parodies (like parodies helping the popularity of the original work) my mind is further blown! Great video