Yoda had this situation pegged in Empire: LUKE: All right, I'll give it a try. YODA: No! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. (Luke fails at getting his sunken X-Wing out of the swamp) (Yoda through The Force raises the X-Wing with little difficulty) LUKE I don't... I don't believe it. YODA That is why you fail. Sabine just needs to empty her head of doubt and worry. Will she suddenly become Ashoka level, NO, but she'll be a match for Shin at least.
I can see Sabine developing an ability to sense opponents and anticipate their actions, But I don't think she'll shoot force lightning or do telekinesis. The cup will always win.
It's almost impossible for a non force sensitive to wield a lightsaber. She handled the darksaber(an ancient lightsaber used to combat jedi opression) with ease. Only force sensitve mandos can wield the darksaber
@@Tronscrolls No that's not true the Darksaber is no different then any other lightsaber. Any one can learn how to use a lightsaber. You don't have to be force sensitive to use one. You just have to have the right mind set and training. Think about it Moff Gideon was able to wield the darksaber and he is not force sensitive at all. He just had the right mind set and probably training that allowed him to use it.
@@fedoremelianenko430 No thats not true at all not exactly. The legend of the Darksaber is that who ever wins the fight is the owner of the Darksaber and ruler of Mandalorian. It's more of a custome then anything else. Think about Din beat Moff Gideon and took the Darksaber but he couldn't control it once he had it. He had to be trained how to use it. He still struggles with it. So it has nothing to do with who wins the fight that's just a mandalorian custome surrounding the darksaber.
@@Tronscrolls This "you have to be force-sensitive to wield a lightsaber" nonsense is headcanon that has no basis in canon. Anyone can "wield" a lightsaber. All you need to be able to do is turn it on and swing it around. It just wouldn't be on the same level as what a Force-sensitive could do, because it takes Force-sensitivity to know to move your saber before a blaster's trigger is pulled to intercept the shot precisely where it will land; it takes Force-sensitivity to fight on a level higher than what "ordinary" melee weapons training will allow, to exceed the normal training-based reactions your physical body and mind are capable of. Anyone can wield a lightsaber. Only Force-sensitives can stand up to other Force-sensitives in lightsaber combat, however, because a regular person using a lightsaber will always be a notch or two behind on reactions.
Interesting ideas here. Thinking back to IV, it was Obi-Wan saying to Luke "Reach out with your feelings" that awakened Luke. Similarly, in Kotor II, you can train your companions as Jedi but only if you help them let go of their burdens and open their minds.
It is possible that mandalorians cannot use the force because they close the mind and build their skills in other areas. We learn this from KOTOR2 for Kreia and on Telos IV.
Personally, I would be fine with Sabine never being force sensitive at all, just with years of training and discipline, she can gain traits that resemble that of a force sensitive
Jedi training is more about conditioning your mind than it is about practicing space magic. A Jedi is a knight that lives by a code. Telekinesis isn't necessary.
This is my view. There's more to being a jedi than just raw talent in the force, and I think that's the path Filoni is trying to take with the show. Sabine may not ever use the force to move things around, but I do think she will be open to the principles of the light side.
I'm still convinced Din Djarin is force sensitive, but he is totally unaware of it, and his own PTSD is holding him back. They have showed it a couple of times in the show that he has heightened senses no normal person would have. As of yet, we know nothing about his family or background. It could also explain his connection to Grogu. We know he isn't a true Mandalorian in the sense of the word, but he could also be a descendant of the Whills (the red robes). Or, just a normal guy 😅 a girl can dream LOL
I really love that Sabine finally allowed herself to open to the Force. I think she may find that she does better in highly emotional settings, whether they be during battle or just when shes feeling anxious. Ahsoka will be able, over time, to help her gain some control over her sensitivity. I dont think she will ever have the control of someone like Luke.
So what you're saying is that since the force flows through ALL living things, only a select few can ever be taught its ways, much less fully aware of its connection to themselves and being fully open of the concept of the force itself or even having an aptitude for the force in general. This is why not everyone in Star Wars can exactly use the force, right? Cause for one to connect with the force, they have to be aware of its existence and properties that come from both light and dark, ashla and bugan, in order to utilize its abilities. Ever since I was introduced to the topic of how kanan was training sabine on how to connect with the force and the darksaber despite being non force sensitive, it's been making me wonder why that was the case for a long time. But I'm glad I now understand how the force can really manifest in the people of Star Wars, not just through aptitude alone but through mindsets and overall awareness of the force itself. And I have you to thank for that.
I really don't like the constant reconning that Disney is doing to Star Wars; they don't respect the source material, and it's why so many fans have walked away.
It's also a product of diving deeper into the "SW universe" the deeper you go in all these different directions, the more details that have to be fleshed out. The more details you flesh out, the more issues you run into with contradictions in the source material. So now you gotta come up with some sort of explanation to make it all work, hence the retcons. The more we peel back the veil and look at things, the less magical they become.
I think it's not the Force that rejects the Mandalorians, but the Jedi. Between the lack of detachments espoused in the Jedi Code created by Odan Urr, and the history of conflicts between the two groups, I think the majority of Jedi don't think much of Mando'ade and refuse to train them properly, if at all.
@@shaunhaas4784sort of not all mandolorians wanted war but it was a constant power struggle since the strongest always ruled over the weak it didn't help that mandolor didn't choose a side in the clone war which made them a target
@@XgoodbyeX Mandalore remaining neutral was solely on Satine. In Legends at least (and I still think this would hold true in New Canon), many Mandalorians sided with the CIS and actually fought for the CIS as hired guns. Kal Skirata even admits that if he didn't have the Nulls (and the GAR's complete inability to control them without Skirata) he would have sided with the CIS.
It did show in the Jedi in the prequels when Windu says to Yoda that they need to inform the Senate that their ability to use the force has diminished. Their ability to sense the danger within Palpatine was so diminished that Palpatine could walk around the Jedi Temple and NOT 1 Jedi could feel he was a Sith!!
Not sure I agree on this take. For one, Mandalorians are a culture- not a species. So that final point doesn't really fit well. The only reason all the mandalorians we see are human is budget and, well, humans. Plus, their reliance on technology and what they can see isn't necessarily out of the question- Yoda himself says "not this crude matter. You must feel the force around you... the tree, the rock, everywhere". Lifeforms aren't necessarily required (yes midichlorians can influence the force but it isn't really stated that they *generate* the force). Though I would agree that mindset does play a role, though more that mandalorians occupy that in between space- neither in touch enough with the force to obey it like the jedi, nor ego centric enough to command it like the sith. They are subordinate to their tribes, so no ego of the scale required, but are so subservient they don't feel the will.
Well for the longest time, it was a technically a "species". Since to be Mantolorian, you had to have been born of Mandolore, or it's settlements. They are humanoid, but not necessarily human, just similar carbon based beings (because of budget of course lol). The children of the watch stuff only came to be because of the destruction of Mandolore and decimation of their numbers. It's why Bo Katan and her group have an issue with the Children of the Watch and Din Djarin.
mandolorians are not even a culture properly but a religion one a species now extinct called mandolorians as @alphabravo_23 states. Though i'm not sure whether they are meaning the first or second planet named mandalore.
The original mandolorian species were the taung, grey skinned simian species who were ran off by the Zhell. Over time after mandolore the first came to power they took a new planet calling it Mandolore. While conquering many planets they started allowing outsiders into their ranks. After that the taung/mandolorians became known more as a culture than a species. This is also legends lol
To the point on midichlorians, I was just thinking and they don’t ever really explain it beyond, “high count = powerful force sensitivity”. What if they are basically a bacteria that feeds on the living force, so someone with a strong innate connection to the living force would have more of the bacteria in their bodies, because they would have more energy to sustain them, sort of like a benign parasite. Just a theory
Ancient Mandalorians saw Force as an infestation, not a source of life. This goes well with KOTOR 1 and 2 view of the Force, where Mandalorians first appeared.
I think this point of Sabine not being very force sensitive has the potential to be good, because most of SW has been stories of only-the-most-powerful, only-the-greatest force users. I'd personally like to see Sabine find her own way to overcome Hati/Skoll, and show us that you can be a hero in this universe without having special parents, or the highest power level.
We got that with Han, Clones like Rex, Chewy, Leia, the rebels who actively fought and held back the Empire, the little forest fuckers even (i dont mean that out of spite) , and even droids like R2D2.
This is an outstanding exclamation of the history of the Mandalores but also ties into what Kenobi had said in the first movie before Lucas had really established the rules of the universe. Not sure if this is canon but you came up with some great reasoning.
Grogu was a Jedi first then he chose to become a Mandalorian himself where Sabine Wren is a Mandalorian first so this to me means that thou Ashoka's training her senses will be heightened to b able to react say quicker than other Mandalorian warriors .. Ashoka first asked Sabine to b more aware of her surroundings and not b quick to respond another words focus on the moment and ❤ your perspective on this subject mate..
They are also literally opposite in terms of attachment. Jedi: Practices a mindset of “non-attachment”. They take younglings FROM their families so they don’t develop attachments that will compromise their training. Mandalorian: Stresses the importance of attachment to your community. They take IN foundlings who have lost their families so that they can still build strong attachments to their clan.
Personally, I think Sabine and Din Jarin are like Obi Wan Kenobi. None of them have the greatest force potential or connection to the force. But through hard work training and discipline, they can easily become great. Obi-Wan became one of the greatest Masters of the Jedi order through hard work and experience. Both of them can be too, but like Asoka said in episode three not every one can handle the commitment.
Yes but Obi-Wan still had enough of midichlorian count to actually access the force and use it. Sabine and Din don't have enough of midichlorian count to actually access the force. It's the midichlorians that give a Jedi the ability to access the force but has to be high enough to do so on a low level.
I guess this helps to explain how the dark saber was made in a way. Each color of a light saber is based off of different views and things from their wielders.
the true issue with the show is kathleens influence on it and dave filonis submissiveness, ezra should be here helping sabine train, we need the whole ghost crew not just chopper and the girls, this video explained very logically why most mandos wouldnt even know if they are force sensitive. i think without kathleens iinfluence we couldve easily seen sabine training like how she is anyway. honestly it seemed weird to me at first but it is true to georges definition of what it means to be force sensitive.
@@ThirdEye-47 I was waiting for this misogynist comment. You are so hateful. Just because they are not all white guys does not mean the show us bad. You must hate your mother by the way you talk
Good video. Given their shaky history, I look back to when Mando gave the chain mail armor to Grogu and Luke said he had to make a decision. What did Luke feel when Grogu chose the armor?
I would agree with you and you could explain these reasons beautifully in the old republic era, for myself I think that it is simply the way it should be, that if there are Sith and Jedi, I also think that the Mandalorians should be the third faction that has it all to balance so that one faction does not outgrow the power itself as the Sith have done many times. as I say, the old republic era could explain this beautifully.
I feel like Mandaloreans and Vulkans have the same issue. The Vulkans try to stifle their emotions..but I believe this is an over correction. They have really hot tempers that they have trouble controlling. Logic just became a focus point to drown out their tempers. But they equated that as their emotions. I think Mandalorean blood also runs similarly. They are extremely hot tempered, and anything that isn't what they want it be right now, tends to frustrate them and piss them off. And as such, they have a hard time focusing on spirituality and thus "The Force".
The Vulcans from star trek developed a culture of self control and logic because much like humans and klingons of old. they were hyper violent assholes that would make excellent Sith Marauders and they almost self destruct because of their out of control nature. So they have to keep themselves in check at all times.
In general terms, when looking at balance, there must be equal pressure and resistance on all sides to achieve perfect balance. Off-set balance can occur when the opposing sides adjust pressure and resistance to perfectly compliment each other. Too much in any opposing direction and the balance breaks. We all know that any perfect thing to exist becomes corrupted once an outside force attempts to bend or manipulate it. A perfect example is the inevitability of change can be smooth if allowed to move on its own without manipulation. Once we try to manipulate change, it becomes turbulent. We also know that people naturally insist on their own limited perspective and corrupt will to be inserted for a position of dominance over another. So, within the force, there is always balance. But people seeking the power of it will cause the force to constantly make adjustments in an attempt to maintain that balance. The flow of the force is the natural movement of energy. Manipulating that movement causes a disruption as the anticipated reception of incoming energy is suddenly changed. The entire premise of the Star Wars universe is brilliantly simple and beautifully complex at the same time.
The thing with Jedi was that at least children could learn they were force sensitive before actually becoming jedi and being exposed to their dogma. And even if their practices were dogmatic, it was in a way MEANT to unlock one's sensitivity to the force, while mandalorian dogma goes against that.
I feel that they just prefer to throw hands and use their weapons in a manner in which most Jedi and Sith wouldn't. Sure, some Jedi like the Sentinels have skills that Mandalorians could respect, but the Mandalorian way of life (and their opposition to the Jedi way) means they don't awaken their latent Force abilities in life. Sure, use of the force passively may have happened. Some more famous Mandalorians may be using the force in a manner that isnt offense/active like Jedi and Sith, but it helps them with say, enhanced reflexes or a stronger 6th sense. They just wouldn't see it as being force sensitive, just special or having a great natural talent. (Which ironically, is essentially what Force users are, special, naturally gifted/talented people)
Honestly this whole thing with Sabine is confusing the way I’ve been seeing what they’re doing is saying everyone can use the force like a Jedi as long as they can do the training, I don’t know maybe I’m wrong or dumb but I truly don’t understand what they’re trying to relate about this
The Mandalorians are taught to look outward, towards their weapons, rather than inward. Thus, it is easy for a Mandalorian to see the Darksaber as simply a weapon with a notable history, and to assume that skill with it is no different than skill with any other weapon. The *spiritual* aspect of using the Force is alien to their mindset. While they know the Force is real, they don't see the connection between it and their weapons, or how the Jedi use it to enhance their combat skills.
Nice theory. I like it. Everything does seem to make sense and fall into place. It isn't Sabine is weak with the force; metaphorically, her ability to quiet herself to listen to the force has been plugged by Mandalorian teachings.
Since Mandalorian aren't an actual "race" and hasn't been for a long time, one would assume that it's a matter of Mandalorian culture and what we know already points in that direction. Whether it's Kanan talking about training Sabine, or Ahsoka training Sabine, they seem to mention that her Mandalorian character traits make it extremely difficult for her to find the necessary peace and balance to connect with the force. If Grogu had been raised like Sabine for the first 50 years of his life, we probably wouldn't think that he is as powerful as he is.
@@kegger3152 Peace no, balance? I'd say yes. They master the force, they accept and use their pain and anger. Think about how Snoke talks to Kylo about how unbalanced he is ever since he killed Han Solo. I'm not saying that being balanced means being equally dark and light side and I don't think that it is what it means for Jedi nor for Sith. As far as other force users are concerned we don't really know too much about them (in canon) at this point.
I think it is likely that mandalorians are on the opposite end of the spectrum from jedi. Jedi put faith, and intuition in a greater power. A jedi must surrender their own ego and feel the force. Mandalorians are complete masters of their senses. Mandalorians are constantly focused and using their own senses and instinct. A Mandalorian to surrender control of their own senses works against their training
I thought about it a little differently. When I saw the episode I thought that Mandalorians were not the kind of people to sit still and meditate but rather be active and doing things. A normal meditation technique would not work for their minds but a repetitive task might work better...
3:43 that’s just because the original trilogy came out first and maybe in universe they were hiding the truth from the skywalker twins so they wouldn’t be discovered. Anakin on the other hand did show force potential even before being discovered
This is why the dark saber used the key item of beskar to force a mandalorian to submit to the force, to give into the force over pure combat. Visla was a smart one
It could just be Mandalorian training is done in such a way as to potentially provide some resistance (ancient focus on fighting Jedi), but that closes them off to easily using the force. More an internal barrier to being open to using the Force, rather than an inherent blanket inability to be force sensitive.
You should make a video about how every single Jedi during the clone wars fell to the dark side. Yoda openly admits this to Ezra during his second visit to the Jedi Temple. Yoda says that the Jedi were overcome by darkness and became arrogant and warmongering and that was at the root of their inability to see what was right in front of them.
What about Jedi Master Dorjander Kace? He fell in love of a Mandalorian girl named Varda and he became a Foundling and then embraced the Way as the leader of the Mandalorian Knights (Jedi who embraced the Mandalorian Way). An that was centuries before Tarre Vizsla
2:34 In regards to the point made around here regarding creativity. I was wondering if since yodas species age so much slower than most people of the galaxy, does that longer time as a child influence there connection to the force.
I see a lot of debate about Sabine and if she should be a Jedi. My answer to that is why not? As has been stated in this video and elsewhere anyone can become with the force. As to if you wish to use that ability is up to the individual. If Sabine wishes to train in the force and it looks like so far at least she does. Then why not. Ahsoka at least seems very keen on training her. She may not be the most "gifted" in the force but so far at least she is showing determination and commitment to train and learn.... Is that not a major part at least of what the Jedi is all about? I can understand why quite a few left the order with all its rules. It was destined to fail as it was becoming so restrictive. Becoming restrictive also means you are closing your mind to other possibilities. If the Jedi order had not been so restrictive. Would Palpatine have been so successful, I am not convinced he would have. For example QJN would have sensed him if he had of survived and I am sure he was not the only Jedi who had that ability. But because everything was so stuck in rules. They effectively closed the door and allowed Palpatine to grow. But I digress back to Sabine. Do I think she will be another Ahsoka or Luke, no not at all. But do I think she will learn and become good with some abilities? yes eg force push/pull as an example. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
I think the Mandalorian mindset focuses on the martial arts, and thus their expression of force sensitivity does, as well. The other Jedi-type skills fall by the way, but likely the greatest Mandalorian warriors are force-sensitive in a narrow sense. See: Bo-Katan using the Darksaber. Or any weapon, really, but her very proficient use of it against the scavenger really illustrates that he has a bit more than just skill with the blade. my opinion.
I think they are opening a door full of trouble if they give Sabine force powers… sure we’ve seen several who had no idea of their abilities until properly guided but even then they say they knew there was something special. I would feel better about Din Djarin having force abilities bc we don’t know his parents at all so that could make sense. There’s only been one Jedi/Mandalorian in history so if they give Sabine powers then fans are gonna start begging for every character to have them
West End games had several books woth many force powers. One of note was being able to hide your own sensitivity, and another was to stifle anothers connection. Now as for the Mandalorians, it was more of a self mastery through training, family, and doctrine. Little was given to train any sixth sense or powers of the force. Going back to the Taung, it was a more martial, and less of mystics. Laslty, the force is neither good or evil, just the way to use it, and shape it, and this may have been a negative issue within Mando culture.
I mean in one of the games they show way to boost force power in those with little to none to a low knight level. So I would not be shocked if she got access
The Mandalorians are not a spices but a creed. Some could be froce sensitive but without training do not show it. In the Old canon there were Mandalorians who were Jedi that gave that up to become Mandalorians and there was at least one child of a Jedi and Mandalorian (Clone)
KOTOR 2 has a force sensitive Mando, Mira, who can become a Jedi Sentinel if you train her. Oddly enough she is better off equipped with Mando micro blasters than lightsabers...
I believe that there is force sensitivity among Mandalorians, but given their history with jedi, they repress it, In order to not be treated as outcasts; also is not just technology that makes them formidable warriors, they probably have heightened senses and instincts coming from mild force sensitivity among various mandalorians
1:50 Nice that you 'glossed over' the fact, Sabine's 'restrictions' was due to the harm that she made happen, making weapons against her own people. It was even shown in the Rebels TV series... Sabine trained with Kanan, and gained some understanding of the Darksaber. Her resistance.. she has betrayed every concept of being "Mandalorian'... she helped the Empire, to make weapons, against her own people? Bendu even spoke with her, for some time, sensing her imbalance. The Force doesn't reject anyone... it's the Mandalorians who have, for the most part, chosen not to follow? After coming back from the conversation that Sabine had with Bendu, she was much more open, willing to accept the training?... Whilst still not a Jedi, she had much more control of her emotions, being actually able to focus?
I don't think the force "dismisses" Mandalorians, but rather they dismiss the force. They HAVE the force or they would be dead, as the force resides in all living things. But they do not believe in it, therefore cannot wield it or tap into it for power. Remember, a "sign" of force sensitivity is "luck", which Sabine has demonstrated a keen aptitude for. She can make jumps, shots, judgement calls, ect. that show her sensitivity to the force. She just cannot trust in an intangible force, therefore, wielding it has eluded her.
Um, being force sensitive and being able to wield the force are two separate things . It has been explained that Han Solo was actually force sensitive and that his ability to navigate asteroid fields due to his attunement with the force . Luke and Anakin displayed the same ability to use the force while piloting aircraft and speed pods. Similarly, Mandalorian would display abilities which suggested a heightened connection with the force, but they would be unable to, consciously, wield the force. Sabine's tech ability was only displayed by one other person in Star Wars cannon, and that was Anakin. Anakin built C3PO , before he had any training in the ways of the Jedi. Sabine's insight into electronics and machinery could very well be due to a force connection.
Mandalorians as such were created for the games KOTOR and KOTOR 2. There were some mentions before, but in these games they were first "fleshed out" as a group and side in the war. This is important, because these games introduced the concept of Force not being source of life, rather it became simply an infestation of the living things. Thus, natural enemies of Mandalorians were Jedi as Force users. Later, especially trough Disney canon, Mandalorians were bastardized, so we got female Mandalorians, Jedi Mandalorians etc ... which was opposite to early idea about them.
Id like to think that she can learn to feel the force, but not wield it. Such that she can feel the nature of what is around her and acquire heightened battle affinity but not be able to influence it.
I see the Mandalorian as being very similar to the Hutts, especially in Legends. One culture is centered around tech and conquering while the other is materialistic and greedy. Less about the natural world and more on what they see.
You don't need to be taught by somone who knows how to wield the force to be able to or accidently use the force. Ezra was able to peform a force jump in episode one of rebels before he knew what the froce was. And being more intune with technology does not make someone less force sensitive, there have been a few species/ancient civilizations that were that were highly technologically advance bat the same time force sensitive
Kind of makes you wonder why Visla’s tribe didn’t learn from the force through him. If he’d just explained his understanding of the force as a mando to his people, outside of showing the dark saber, they wouldn’t be so lost when it comes to matters of the force.
Id imagine it would be like showing a modern light bulb to a 15th century European peasant. No matter how mu h you explain how it works and how to do it, it’s still going to look scary to people who haven’t really ever known of it
@@catbucket8566 I mean that comparison makes sense with force push and force alchemy, but nothing like force speed or strength augmentation, the more physical uses of the force that can be quantified to a degree. They could explain to fellow mandos what they felt before moving that fast or holding more weight than normal.
The Mandalorians are a culture, not a species. The original species in legends died out millenia ago. The depiction of Mandalorians as yet a different human culture undermines one of the coolest concepts in Star Wars: Culture beyond species. The Force doesn't reject Mandalorians, the Mandalorians reject the Force. They see the skills of the Jedi and consider them tricks unbefitting "true warriors". That's also how they react to other warrior cultures like the Echani who are among the best melee fighting in the galaxy, because Mandalorians are brutal losers. Few Mandalorians open themselves up to learning to use the Force, because it really requires a bit of surrender. Besides the weilder of the Dark Saber, off the top of my head in Legends I can only think of one Mandalorian who demonstrated Force Sensitivity: Demagol, the Zeltron scientific advisor to Mandalore the Ultimate. His force powers have a short lifetime however and are instrumental to his death.
Mace Windu said in attack of the clones, "I think it is time to report to the Senate that our ability to use the Force is diminished." so , yeah, you're right about that one, that this can apply to anyone in the sw galaxy. I agree with your Mandalorian analysis as well. I think Sabine may be trainable, and perhaps may acquire some skill in the force. I'm open to that, if we see her mind unlock as it were, to it. How successful her training will be, will depend on Sabine's awareness of attachment to her clan and reprioritizing her feelings. We did see some of this from her, in Rebels, but not to a large enough extent to see her actually using the force - that is, beyond being able to have the darksaber feel lighter when she trained with Kanan.
No reason and no evidence. Mandalorians are trained warriors which makes me wonder why Sabine has no real muscles showing. The quotes in Ashoka regarding Jedi are placed by someone who has no real knowledge about how one has powers or not. Such a bad choice in order to change the truth.
She needs to wield gun / saber or shield. Unless she it’s way too heavy one handed. But I mean she’s holding shin off with one arm and holding her self off the ground with the other so it can’t be that heavy.
It doesn't reject Mandalorians, its just very, very rare for someone to be Force Sensitive (a significantly higher level of Midichlorians which gives a being a stronger and easier connection to the Force) other than through linage. Most Force Sensitive beings were discovered by the Jedi and trained to be Jedi. Mandalorians were not Force Sensitive so it was highly unlikely they would have any Force Sensitive offspring. Its possible that they would have taken in a foundling at some point that ended up being Force Sensitive (like Grogu) but it would have been unlikely that the Mandilorians would have found such a being before the Jedi did before order 66. There were a few Force Sensitive Mandalorians just like there were only a couple Force Sensitive Teras Kasi masters, but this wasn't because the Force rejected them, but instead because it was just rare for a Force Sensitive being to have not been found by the Jedi first as they Jedi were very organized and actively looking for Force Sensitive children to bring into the order. Plus, it would even be likely that if lets say the Mandelorian's took in Anakin as a Foundling instead of Qui-Gon, they wouldn't even have realized he was Force Sensitive... they would have just assumed he was skilled or lucky, and they wouldn't have been able to foster his development of any Force Abilities that didn't come to him naturally. Also, being that Mandelorians were typically enemy of the Jedi, Anakin would likely have rejected and suppressed any notion that he was Force Sensitive like his enemies.
You could probably add plo to the list to a extent. Maybe the force refuses mando’s because of their war culture and as a group caused previous wounds in the force. To add to your great points… could the jedi have lost some of their power/ connection with force since old republic times due to narrowing views? Is that what happened to the Rekkata as well? Just the dark side inverse.
Very ironic then how dogmatic the old jedi order before the empire became and then were clouded at such a level by sidious, they lost the ability to see what was coming
I like the idea of a Grey Jedi being one who walks the line having the ability to awaken the force or mold the force in someone kinda like skywalker and plagues
One thing that confounds me is how none of the Mandalorians knew who Luke Skywalker was. Din asks Luke if he's a Jedi. Luke destroyed the first Death Star AND brought down the empire---yet no one in that control room had heard of him?
Mandalorians are warriors by nature and depend on their fighting abilities. They able to make weapons to take on Jedi's and armor to block lightsabers.
I honestly think everyone is missing the verbiage used. Aptitude is your ability to use it, not how force sensitive you are. Same in real life, or dnd. Intellect vs wisdom. Knowledge you can learn, and ability to use the knowledge at your disposal. I think she's actually very strong in it, but lacks the capability to unlock her own capabilities. But will . Anyways... yea Aptitude is different from how sensitive to force she is. Just her ability to use it. Also to addon i think even if shes lightly force sensitive it sets up her and grogu perfectly. For us old folks, freak and the mighty. Someone strong physically vs mental and someone mentally unique but physically frail. Both mandalorians. Both force sensitive. One my physical mandalorian, one more force jedi. It really is a perfect balance. And just enough force ro make them a team who can communicate through creeds.
I hope Mando season 4 will actually be about Din and not Bo. I used to love Bo Katan, and still did throughout the the show, up until the 3rd season when she became the main lead. Sure, lets make the person that is not a leader, her rule led to the destruction of Mandalore, she betrayed her sister, and she wrongfully accepted the Darksaber not once, but twice. Bo's arce should have been her being the more lone wolf kind if character. She should have been a support to Din, rather than the main character. Din should be the leader has he has proven he has leadership qualities and has united people many times through negotiating and inspiration.
Yoda had this situation pegged in Empire:
LUKE:
All right, I'll give it a try.
YODA:
No! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
(Luke fails at getting his sunken X-Wing out of the swamp)
(Yoda through The Force raises the X-Wing with little difficulty)
LUKE
I don't... I don't believe it.
YODA
That is why you fail.
Sabine just needs to empty her head of doubt and worry. Will she suddenly become Ashoka level, NO, but she'll be a match for Shin at least.
I can see Sabine developing an ability to sense opponents and anticipate their actions, But I don't think she'll shoot force lightning or do telekinesis. The cup will always win.
It's almost impossible for a non force sensitive to wield a lightsaber. She handled the darksaber(an ancient lightsaber used to combat jedi opression) with ease. Only force sensitve mandos can wield the darksaber
@@Tronscrolls No , anyone who wins it in fight can wield the darksaber.
@@Tronscrolls No that's not true the Darksaber is no different then any other lightsaber. Any one can learn how to use a lightsaber. You don't have to be force sensitive to use one. You just have to have the right mind set and training. Think about it Moff Gideon was able to wield the darksaber and he is not force sensitive at all. He just had the right mind set and probably training that allowed him to use it.
@@fedoremelianenko430 No thats not true at all not exactly. The legend of the Darksaber is that who ever wins the fight is the owner of the Darksaber and ruler of Mandalorian. It's more of a custome then anything else. Think about Din beat Moff Gideon and took the Darksaber but he couldn't control it once he had it. He had to be trained how to use it. He still struggles with it. So it has nothing to do with who wins the fight that's just a mandalorian custome surrounding the darksaber.
@@Tronscrolls This "you have to be force-sensitive to wield a lightsaber" nonsense is headcanon that has no basis in canon. Anyone can "wield" a lightsaber. All you need to be able to do is turn it on and swing it around. It just wouldn't be on the same level as what a Force-sensitive could do, because it takes Force-sensitivity to know to move your saber before a blaster's trigger is pulled to intercept the shot precisely where it will land; it takes Force-sensitivity to fight on a level higher than what "ordinary" melee weapons training will allow, to exceed the normal training-based reactions your physical body and mind are capable of. Anyone can wield a lightsaber.
Only Force-sensitives can stand up to other Force-sensitives in lightsaber combat, however, because a regular person using a lightsaber will always be a notch or two behind on reactions.
Interesting ideas here. Thinking back to IV, it was Obi-Wan saying to Luke "Reach out with your feelings" that awakened Luke. Similarly, in Kotor II, you can train your companions as Jedi but only if you help them let go of their burdens and open their minds.
Such a great catch to emphasize the point of artistic influence and how Sabine is an artist with a free spirit. Great video, all agreed.
It is possible that mandalorians cannot use the force because they close the mind and build their skills in other areas. We learn this from KOTOR2 for Kreia and on Telos IV.
Unfortunately its legends but we all want to believe its canon so yea
So wait, the kotor games aren’t canon? That’s sad, they’re such good stories!
They were reintroduced as canon again quite a while ago.@@P9u9r6p2l4e
@@P9u9r6p2l4ethey were before 2014 when disney took star wars
They're canon
Personally, I would be fine with Sabine never being force sensitive at all, just with years of training and discipline, she can gain traits that resemble that of a force sensitive
Absolutely not, you are either force sensitive or your not, there is no try!
Jedi training is more about conditioning your mind than it is about practicing space magic. A Jedi is a knight that lives by a code. Telekinesis isn't necessary.
This is my view. There's more to being a jedi than just raw talent in the force, and I think that's the path Filoni is trying to take with the show. Sabine may not ever use the force to move things around, but I do think she will be open to the principles of the light side.
Not strong in objects control at the first start but in the deep sense, I think...
It comes down to this:
- Jedi surrender to the force in order to join its will
- Mandalorians don't surrender to anything.
I'm still convinced Din Djarin is force sensitive, but he is totally unaware of it, and his own PTSD is holding him back. They have showed it a couple of times in the show that he has heightened senses no normal person would have. As of yet, we know nothing about his family or background. It could also explain his connection to Grogu. We know he isn't a true Mandalorian in the sense of the word, but he could also be a descendant of the Whills (the red robes). Or, just a normal guy 😅 a girl can dream LOL
Honestly not a bad theory, it lines up perfectly with Sabine's situation in the sense of their creed
Din Djarin being force sensitive it's better than sabine! :))
I like this line of thought!
My Cat Can be A Force Sensitive these days *MEOW* 😹
He's not force sensitive but yes you can dream
I really love that Sabine finally allowed herself to open to the Force. I think she may find that she does better in highly emotional settings, whether they be during battle or just when shes feeling anxious. Ahsoka will be able, over time, to help her gain some control over her sensitivity. I dont think she will ever have the control of someone like Luke.
With enough training and focus she can.
So what you're saying is that since the force flows through ALL living things, only a select few can ever be taught its ways, much less fully aware of its connection to themselves and being fully open of the concept of the force itself or even having an aptitude for the force in general. This is why not everyone in Star Wars can exactly use the force, right? Cause for one to connect with the force, they have to be aware of its existence and properties that come from both light and dark, ashla and bugan, in order to utilize its abilities. Ever since I was introduced to the topic of how kanan was training sabine on how to connect with the force and the darksaber despite being non force sensitive, it's been making me wonder why that was the case for a long time. But I'm glad I now understand how the force can really manifest in the people of Star Wars, not just through aptitude alone but through mindsets and overall awareness of the force itself. And I have you to thank for that.
I really don't like the constant reconning that Disney is doing to Star Wars; they don't respect the source material, and it's why so many fans have walked away.
It's also a product of diving deeper into the "SW universe" the deeper you go in all these different directions, the more details that have to be fleshed out. The more details you flesh out, the more issues you run into with contradictions in the source material. So now you gotta come up with some sort of explanation to make it all work, hence the retcons. The more we peel back the veil and look at things, the less magical they become.
I think it's not the Force that rejects the Mandalorians, but the Jedi. Between the lack of detachments espoused in the Jedi Code created by Odan Urr, and the history of conflicts between the two groups, I think the majority of Jedi don't think much of Mando'ade and refuse to train them properly, if at all.
And why would they want to for thousands of the mandalorians were basically sith without powers only wanting to conquer and rule
@@shaunhaas4784sort of not all mandolorians wanted war but it was a constant power struggle since the strongest always ruled over the weak it didn't help that mandolor didn't choose a side in the clone war which made them a target
@@XgoodbyeX Mandalore remaining neutral was solely on Satine. In Legends at least (and I still think this would hold true in New Canon), many Mandalorians sided with the CIS and actually fought for the CIS as hired guns. Kal Skirata even admits that if he didn't have the Nulls (and the GAR's complete inability to control them without Skirata) he would have sided with the CIS.
@@Nemo-NihilCIS was that?
It did show in the Jedi in the prequels when Windu says to Yoda that they need to inform the Senate that their ability to use the force has diminished. Their ability to sense the danger within Palpatine was so diminished that Palpatine could walk around the Jedi Temple and NOT 1 Jedi could feel he was a Sith!!
Not sure I agree on this take. For one, Mandalorians are a culture- not a species. So that final point doesn't really fit well. The only reason all the mandalorians we see are human is budget and, well, humans.
Plus, their reliance on technology and what they can see isn't necessarily out of the question- Yoda himself says "not this crude matter. You must feel the force around you... the tree, the rock, everywhere". Lifeforms aren't necessarily required (yes midichlorians can influence the force but it isn't really stated that they *generate* the force).
Though I would agree that mindset does play a role, though more that mandalorians occupy that in between space- neither in touch enough with the force to obey it like the jedi, nor ego centric enough to command it like the sith. They are subordinate to their tribes, so no ego of the scale required, but are so subservient they don't feel the will.
Well for the longest time, it was a technically a "species". Since to be Mantolorian, you had to have been born of Mandolore, or it's settlements. They are humanoid, but not necessarily human, just similar carbon based beings (because of budget of course lol). The children of the watch stuff only came to be because of the destruction of Mandolore and decimation of their numbers. It's why Bo Katan and her group have an issue with the Children of the Watch and Din Djarin.
mandolorians are not even a culture properly but a religion one a species now extinct called mandolorians as @alphabravo_23 states. Though i'm not sure whether they are meaning the first or second planet named mandalore.
The original mandolorian species were the taung, grey skinned simian species who were ran off by the Zhell. Over time after mandolore the first came to power they took a new planet calling it Mandolore. While conquering many planets they started allowing outsiders into their ranks. After that the taung/mandolorians became known more as a culture than a species. This is also legends lol
To the point on midichlorians, I was just thinking and they don’t ever really explain it beyond, “high count = powerful force sensitivity”. What if they are basically a bacteria that feeds on the living force, so someone with a strong innate connection to the living force would have more of the bacteria in their bodies, because they would have more energy to sustain them, sort of like a benign parasite. Just a theory
Ancient Mandalorians saw Force as an infestation, not a source of life. This goes well with KOTOR 1 and 2 view of the Force, where Mandalorians first appeared.
I think this point of Sabine not being very force sensitive has the potential to be good, because most of SW has been stories of only-the-most-powerful, only-the-greatest force users. I'd personally like to see Sabine find her own way to overcome Hati/Skoll, and show us that you can be a hero in this universe without having special parents, or the highest power level.
We got that with Han, Clones like Rex, Chewy, Leia, the rebels who actively fought and held back the Empire, the little forest fuckers even (i dont mean that out of spite) , and even droids like R2D2.
Become one of the greatest swordsmen in the galaxy with that light saber
"power level" ?!! This ain't Dragon ball Z...
@@Xyma-YT you’re gonna tell me that midichlorian count isn’t just another term for power level?
@@UnifiedEntity that’s a good point
This is an outstanding exclamation of the history of the Mandalores but also ties into what Kenobi had said in the first movie before Lucas had really established the rules of the universe.
Not sure if this is canon but you came up with some great reasoning.
Leah noticed it in Empire Strikes Back when she sensed Luke was in trouble on Bespin
Grogu was a Jedi first then he chose to become a Mandalorian himself where Sabine Wren is a Mandalorian first so this to me means that thou Ashoka's training her senses will be heightened to b able to react say quicker than other Mandalorian warriors .. Ashoka first asked Sabine to b more aware of her surroundings and not b quick to respond another words focus on the moment and ❤ your perspective on this subject mate..
They are also literally opposite in terms of attachment.
Jedi: Practices a mindset of “non-attachment”. They take younglings FROM their families so they don’t develop attachments that will compromise their training.
Mandalorian: Stresses the importance of attachment to your community. They take IN foundlings who have lost their families so that they can still build strong attachments to their clan.
Personally, I think Sabine and Din Jarin are like Obi Wan Kenobi. None of them have the greatest force potential or connection to the force. But through hard work training and discipline, they can easily become great. Obi-Wan became one of the greatest Masters of the Jedi order through hard work and experience. Both of them can be too, but like Asoka said in episode three not every one can handle the commitment.
Yes but Obi-Wan still had enough of midichlorian count to actually access the force and use it. Sabine and Din don't have enough of midichlorian count to actually access the force. It's the midichlorians that give a Jedi the ability to access the force but has to be high enough to do so on a low level.
I guess this helps to explain how the dark saber was made in a way. Each color of a light saber is based off of different views and things from their wielders.
yes!!!
Let's get to the real question, how will Ahsoka react when she learns that Thrawn has been hiding out and posing as the Barber on the Enterprise D?
Lol
They're really foreshadowing Sabine's force sensitivity whether we like it or not, aren't they?
Sadly it looks that way
Quit crying about it. Your purposely trying to ruin the show for others. It’s not the show runners fault
the true issue with the show is kathleens influence on it and dave filonis submissiveness, ezra should be here helping sabine train, we need the whole ghost crew not just chopper and the girls, this video explained very logically why most mandos wouldnt even know if they are force sensitive. i think without kathleens iinfluence we couldve easily seen sabine training like how she is anyway. honestly it seemed weird to me at first but it is true to georges definition of what it means to be force sensitive.
@@ThirdEye-47 I was waiting for this misogynist comment. You are so hateful. Just because they are not all white guys does not mean the show us bad. You must hate your mother by the way you talk
@@ThirdEye-47 Ezra does not need to help her train that’s very insulting to the sisterhood her and Ashoka are building
Didn't Mace suggest to Yoda in the prequels that they tell the government that their ability to use the force was compromised
Good video. Given their shaky history, I look back to when Mando gave the chain mail armor to Grogu and Luke said he had to make a decision. What did Luke feel when Grogu chose the armor?
I would agree with you and you could explain these reasons beautifully in the old republic era, for myself I think that it is simply the way it should be, that if there are Sith and Jedi, I also think that the Mandalorians should be the third faction that has it all to balance so that one faction does not outgrow the power itself as the Sith have done many times. as I say, the old republic era could explain this beautifully.
I feel like Mandaloreans and Vulkans have the same issue. The Vulkans try to stifle their emotions..but I believe this is an over correction. They have really hot tempers that they have trouble controlling. Logic just became a focus point to drown out their tempers. But they equated that as their emotions. I think Mandalorean blood also runs similarly. They are extremely hot tempered, and anything that isn't what they want it be right now, tends to frustrate them and piss them off. And as such, they have a hard time focusing on spirituality and thus "The Force".
The Vulcans from star trek developed a culture of self control and logic because much like humans and klingons of old. they were hyper violent assholes that would make excellent Sith Marauders and they almost self destruct because of their out of control nature. So they have to keep themselves in check at all times.
“Only one became a Jedi but three did finish the training” - is what I want them to explore.
If that's the case how come Tenabris was so powerful when he was narrow minded thinking that the Force is about science?
In general terms, when looking at balance, there must be equal pressure and resistance on all sides to achieve perfect balance. Off-set balance can occur when the opposing sides adjust pressure and resistance to perfectly compliment each other. Too much in any opposing direction and the balance breaks. We all know that any perfect thing to exist becomes corrupted once an outside force attempts to bend or manipulate it. A perfect example is the inevitability of change can be smooth if allowed to move on its own without manipulation. Once we try to manipulate change, it becomes turbulent. We also know that people naturally insist on their own limited perspective and corrupt will to be inserted for a position of dominance over another. So, within the force, there is always balance. But people seeking the power of it will cause the force to constantly make adjustments in an attempt to maintain that balance. The flow of the force is the natural movement of energy. Manipulating that movement causes a disruption as the anticipated reception of incoming energy is suddenly changed. The entire premise of the Star Wars universe is brilliantly simple and beautifully complex at the same time.
If narrow-minded dogma made you blind to the force most of the Jedi order should have been blind to the force.
Perhaps they were partially blinded.
The thing with Jedi was that at least children could learn they were force sensitive before actually becoming jedi and being exposed to their dogma. And even if their practices were dogmatic, it was in a way MEANT to unlock one's sensitivity to the force, while mandalorian dogma goes against that.
He addressed this 4 min in
@@GigawoodHe tried to rationalise this contradiction 4 min in.
I feel that they just prefer to throw hands and use their weapons in a manner in which most Jedi and Sith wouldn't.
Sure, some Jedi like the Sentinels have skills that Mandalorians could respect, but the Mandalorian way of life (and their opposition to the Jedi way) means they don't awaken their latent Force abilities in life.
Sure, use of the force passively may have happened. Some more famous Mandalorians may be using the force in a manner that isnt offense/active like Jedi and Sith, but it helps them with say, enhanced reflexes or a stronger 6th sense. They just wouldn't see it as being force sensitive, just special or having a great natural talent.
(Which ironically, is essentially what Force users are, special, naturally gifted/talented people)
Honestly this whole thing with Sabine is confusing the way I’ve been seeing what they’re doing is saying everyone can use the force like a Jedi as long as they can do the training, I don’t know maybe I’m wrong or dumb but I truly don’t understand what they’re trying to relate about this
The Mandalorians are taught to look outward, towards their weapons, rather than inward. Thus, it is easy for a Mandalorian to see the Darksaber as simply a weapon with a notable history, and to assume that skill with it is no different than skill with any other weapon. The *spiritual* aspect of using the Force is alien to their mindset. While they know the Force is real, they don't see the connection between it and their weapons, or how the Jedi use it to enhance their combat skills.
I am one with The Force and The Force is with me.
*Because they don't have enough midi-chlorians.*
Nice theory. I like it. Everything does seem to make sense and fall into place. It isn't Sabine is weak with the force; metaphorically, her ability to quiet herself to listen to the force has been plugged by Mandalorian teachings.
I just noticed one thing in Sabine vs Shin fight. Shin is having fun while Sabine is enraged and stressed.
Since Mandalorian aren't an actual "race" and hasn't been for a long time, one would assume that it's a matter of Mandalorian culture and what we know already points in that direction. Whether it's Kanan talking about training Sabine, or Ahsoka training Sabine, they seem to mention that her Mandalorian character traits make it extremely difficult for her to find the necessary peace and balance to connect with the force. If Grogu had been raised like Sabine for the first 50 years of his life, we probably wouldn't think that he is as powerful as he is.
This take doesn't take into account dark side users at all, who definitely don't find peace and balance but can still connect to the force.
@@kegger3152 Peace no, balance? I'd say yes. They master the force, they accept and use their pain and anger. Think about how Snoke talks to Kylo about how unbalanced he is ever since he killed Han Solo. I'm not saying that being balanced means being equally dark and light side and I don't think that it is what it means for Jedi nor for Sith. As far as other force users are concerned we don't really know too much about them (in canon) at this point.
This is so truth why no one else see it. I been saying all along.
We need info on what the bendu might have thought about caleb training her and what he foreseen
I think it is likely that mandalorians are on the opposite end of the spectrum from jedi.
Jedi put faith, and intuition in a greater power. A jedi must surrender their own ego and feel the force. Mandalorians are complete masters of their senses. Mandalorians are constantly focused and using their own senses and instinct. A Mandalorian to surrender control of their own senses works against their training
Mera is the only other Mandalorian to ever become a Jedi that I remember. But certain circumstances went into her upbringing that helped with that.
I thought about it a little differently. When I saw the episode I thought that Mandalorians were not the kind of people to sit still and meditate but rather be active and doing things. A normal meditation technique would not work for their minds but a repetitive task might work better...
Mira could be a jedi from kotor 2
3:43 that’s just because the original trilogy came out first and maybe in universe they were hiding the truth from the skywalker twins so they wouldn’t be discovered. Anakin on the other hand did show force potential even before being discovered
Cool to see these character in live action, but I feel this story would’ve been done better in an animated series.
This is why the dark saber used the key item of beskar to force a mandalorian to submit to the force, to give into the force over pure combat. Visla was a smart one
It could just be Mandalorian training is done in such a way as to potentially provide some resistance (ancient focus on fighting Jedi), but that closes them off to easily using the force. More an internal barrier to being open to using the Force, rather than an inherent blanket inability to be force sensitive.
You should make a video about how every single Jedi during the clone wars fell to the dark side. Yoda openly admits this to Ezra during his second visit to the Jedi Temple. Yoda says that the Jedi were overcome by darkness and became arrogant and warmongering and that was at the root of their inability to see what was right in front of them.
What about Jedi Master Dorjander Kace? He fell in love of a Mandalorian girl named Varda and he became a Foundling and then embraced the Way as the leader of the Mandalorian Knights (Jedi who embraced the Mandalorian Way). An that was centuries before Tarre Vizsla
2:34 In regards to the point made around here regarding creativity. I was wondering if since yodas species age so much slower than most people of the galaxy, does that longer time as a child influence there connection to the force.
That may also explain why the chiss also lose their force sensitivity
“Closely followed by grogu” give or a take a thousand years or so
I see a lot of debate about Sabine and if she should be a Jedi. My answer to that is why not? As has been stated in this video and elsewhere anyone can become with the force. As to if you wish to use that ability is up to the individual. If Sabine wishes to train in the force and it looks like so far at least she does. Then why not. Ahsoka at least seems very keen on training her. She may not be the most "gifted" in the force but so far at least she is showing determination and commitment to train and learn.... Is that not a major part at least of what the Jedi is all about? I can understand why quite a few left the order with all its rules. It was destined to fail as it was becoming so restrictive. Becoming restrictive also means you are closing your mind to other possibilities. If the Jedi order had not been so restrictive. Would Palpatine have been so successful, I am not convinced he would have. For example QJN would have sensed him if he had of survived and I am sure he was not the only Jedi who had that ability. But because everything was so stuck in rules. They effectively closed the door and allowed Palpatine to grow. But I digress back to Sabine. Do I think she will be another Ahsoka or Luke, no not at all. But do I think she will learn and become good with some abilities? yes eg force push/pull as an example. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Enemy sorcerers…What the Armorer partially perceived the Jedi
I think the Mandalorian mindset focuses on the martial arts, and thus their expression of force sensitivity does, as well. The other Jedi-type skills fall by the way, but likely the greatest Mandalorian warriors are force-sensitive in a narrow sense. See: Bo-Katan using the Darksaber. Or any weapon, really, but her very proficient use of it against the scavenger really illustrates that he has a bit more than just skill with the blade.
my opinion.
I think they are opening a door full of trouble if they give Sabine force powers… sure we’ve seen several who had no idea of their abilities until properly guided but even then they say they knew there was something special. I would feel better about Din Djarin having force abilities bc we don’t know his parents at all so that could make sense. There’s only been one Jedi/Mandalorian in history so if they give Sabine powers then fans are gonna start begging for every character to have them
West End games had several books woth many force powers. One of note was being able to hide your own sensitivity, and another was to stifle anothers connection.
Now as for the Mandalorians, it was more of a self mastery through training, family, and doctrine. Little was given to train any sixth sense or powers of the force. Going back to the Taung, it was a more martial, and less of mystics.
Laslty, the force is neither good or evil, just the way to use it, and shape it, and this may have been a negative issue within Mando culture.
Because that would be too badass.
I mean in one of the games they show way to boost force power in those with little to none to a low knight level. So I would not be shocked if she got access
Well luckily now under Bo Katan leadership, Mandalorians and Jedi are now in piece with each other
The Mandalorians are not a spices but a creed. Some could be froce sensitive but without training do not show it. In the Old canon there were Mandalorians who were Jedi that gave that up to become Mandalorians and there was at least one child of a Jedi and Mandalorian (Clone)
It makes a lot of sense honestly
KOTOR 2 has a force sensitive Mando, Mira, who can become a Jedi Sentinel if you train her. Oddly enough she is better off equipped with Mando micro blasters than lightsabers...
I believe that there is force sensitivity among Mandalorians, but given their history with jedi, they repress it, In order to not be treated as outcasts; also is not just technology that makes them formidable warriors, they probably have heightened senses and instincts coming from mild force sensitivity among various mandalorians
1:50 Nice that you 'glossed over' the fact, Sabine's 'restrictions' was due to the harm that she made happen, making weapons against her own people. It was even shown in the Rebels TV series... Sabine trained with Kanan, and gained some understanding of the Darksaber. Her resistance.. she has betrayed every concept of being "Mandalorian'... she helped the Empire, to make weapons, against her own people? Bendu even spoke with her, for some time, sensing her imbalance.
The Force doesn't reject anyone... it's the Mandalorians who have, for the most part, chosen not to follow? After coming back from the conversation that Sabine had with Bendu, she was much more open, willing to accept the training?... Whilst still not a Jedi, she had much more control of her emotions, being actually able to focus?
Question: after applying the melted pomade and brushing my hair, do I use the plastic bag to lay my hair then rag up?
There are some hints that Like may have used the force before he trained
Long story short, “this wasn’t the way”
I don't think the force "dismisses" Mandalorians, but rather they dismiss the force.
They HAVE the force or they would be dead, as the force resides in all living things.
But they do not believe in it, therefore cannot wield it or tap into it for power.
Remember, a "sign" of force sensitivity is "luck", which Sabine has demonstrated a keen aptitude for. She can make jumps, shots, judgement calls, ect. that show her sensitivity to the force. She just cannot trust in an intangible force, therefore, wielding it has eluded her.
Um, being force sensitive and being able to wield the force are two separate things .
It has been explained that Han Solo was actually force sensitive and that his ability to navigate asteroid fields due to his attunement with the force . Luke and Anakin displayed the same ability to use the force while piloting aircraft and speed pods.
Similarly, Mandalorian would display abilities which suggested a heightened connection with the force, but they would be unable to, consciously, wield the force.
Sabine's tech ability was only displayed by one other person in Star Wars cannon, and that was Anakin. Anakin built C3PO , before he had any training in the ways of the Jedi. Sabine's insight into electronics and machinery could very well be due to a force connection.
Sounds like a reasonable explanation.
Mandalorians as such were created for the games KOTOR and KOTOR 2. There were some mentions before, but in these games they were first "fleshed out" as a group and side in the war. This is important, because these games introduced the concept of Force not being source of life, rather it became simply an infestation of the living things. Thus, natural enemies of Mandalorians were Jedi as Force users. Later, especially trough Disney canon, Mandalorians were bastardized, so we got female Mandalorians, Jedi Mandalorians etc ... which was opposite to early idea about them.
Id like to think that she can learn to feel the force, but not wield it. Such that she can feel the nature of what is around her and acquire heightened battle affinity but not be able to influence it.
Oh wait Dave decided that everyone can use the force if they try
No. George Lucas said that long before Dave Feloni did.
@@kathyjumper6991 George Lucas said a lot of things including that Ahsoka should have stayed dead from the fight with Vader
Amazing
I really can't believe that the mandalorians are really tight
No no no, EVERYONE is force sensitive! You just have to commit to it!
I see the Mandalorian as being very similar to the Hutts, especially in Legends. One culture is centered around tech and conquering while the other is materialistic and greedy. Less about the natural world and more on what they see.
You don't need to be taught by somone who knows how to wield the force to be able to or accidently use the force. Ezra was able to peform a force jump in episode one of rebels before he knew what the froce was. And being more intune with technology does not make someone less force sensitive, there have been a few species/ancient civilizations that were that were highly technologically advance bat the same time force sensitive
Kind of makes you wonder why Visla’s tribe didn’t learn from the force through him. If he’d just explained his understanding of the force as a mando to his people, outside of showing the dark saber, they wouldn’t be so lost when it comes to matters of the force.
Id imagine it would be like showing a modern light bulb to a 15th century European peasant. No matter how mu h you explain how it works and how to do it, it’s still going to look scary to people who haven’t really ever known of it
@@catbucket8566 I mean that comparison makes sense with force push and force alchemy, but nothing like force speed or strength augmentation, the more physical uses of the force that can be quantified to a degree. They could explain to fellow mandos what they felt before moving that fast or holding more weight than normal.
The Mandalorians are a culture, not a species. The original species in legends died out millenia ago. The depiction of Mandalorians as yet a different human culture undermines one of the coolest concepts in Star Wars: Culture beyond species.
The Force doesn't reject Mandalorians, the Mandalorians reject the Force. They see the skills of the Jedi and consider them tricks unbefitting "true warriors". That's also how they react to other warrior cultures like the Echani who are among the best melee fighting in the galaxy, because Mandalorians are brutal losers. Few Mandalorians open themselves up to learning to use the Force, because it really requires a bit of surrender. Besides the weilder of the Dark Saber, off the top of my head in Legends I can only think of one Mandalorian who demonstrated Force Sensitivity: Demagol, the Zeltron scientific advisor to Mandalore the Ultimate. His force powers have a short lifetime however and are instrumental to his death.
Mace Windu said in attack of the clones, "I think it is time to report to the Senate that our ability to use the Force is diminished." so , yeah, you're right about that one, that this can apply to anyone in the sw galaxy.
I agree with your Mandalorian analysis as well. I think Sabine may be trainable, and perhaps may acquire some skill in the force. I'm open to that, if we see her mind unlock as it were, to it. How successful her training will be, will depend on Sabine's awareness of attachment to her clan and reprioritizing her feelings. We did see some of this from her, in Rebels, but not to a large enough extent to see her actually using the force - that is, beyond being able to have the darksaber feel lighter when she trained with Kanan.
Let me tinkle with the idea that Sabine maybe the next generation Mandalorian Jedi. I mean it's possible 😏
No reason and no evidence. Mandalorians are trained warriors which makes me wonder why Sabine has no real muscles showing.
The quotes in Ashoka regarding Jedi are placed by someone who has no real knowledge about how one has powers or not. Such a bad choice in order to change the truth.
🎯 I thought she looked like a ten-year-old boy the whole time they were doing that training scene 😂👌
She needs to wield gun / saber or shield. Unless she it’s way too heavy one handed. But I mean she’s holding shin off with one arm and holding her self off the ground with the other so it can’t be that heavy.
She’s also a boss with the darksabre……. Better than Din
It doesn't reject Mandalorians, its just very, very rare for someone to be Force Sensitive (a significantly higher level of Midichlorians which gives a being a stronger and easier connection to the Force) other than through linage. Most Force Sensitive beings were discovered by the Jedi and trained to be Jedi. Mandalorians were not Force Sensitive so it was highly unlikely they would have any Force Sensitive offspring. Its possible that they would have taken in a foundling at some point that ended up being Force Sensitive (like Grogu) but it would have been unlikely that the Mandilorians would have found such a being before the Jedi did before order 66. There were a few Force Sensitive Mandalorians just like there were only a couple Force Sensitive Teras Kasi masters, but this wasn't because the Force rejected them, but instead because it was just rare for a Force Sensitive being to have not been found by the Jedi first as they Jedi were very organized and actively looking for Force Sensitive children to bring into the order. Plus, it would even be likely that if lets say the Mandelorian's took in Anakin as a Foundling instead of Qui-Gon, they wouldn't even have realized he was Force Sensitive... they would have just assumed he was skilled or lucky, and they wouldn't have been able to foster his development of any Force Abilities that didn't come to him naturally. Also, being that Mandelorians were typically enemy of the Jedi, Anakin would likely have rejected and suppressed any notion that he was Force Sensitive like his enemies.
Well grogu is the next tar vizla
Crazy how they took one of the best mandalorians created and just said "Fuck it, she's a jedi now"
Ahsoka said she doesn't want Sabine to be a Jedi, just to be herself.
You could probably add plo to the list to a extent.
Maybe the force refuses mando’s because of their war culture and as a group caused previous wounds in the force.
To add to your great points… could the jedi have lost some of their power/ connection with force since old republic times due to narrowing views? Is that what happened to the Rekkata as well? Just the dark side inverse.
Very ironic then how dogmatic the old jedi order before the empire became and then were clouded at such a level by sidious, they lost the ability to see what was coming
I like the idea of a Grey Jedi being one who walks the line having the ability to awaken the force or mold the force in someone kinda like skywalker and plagues
This show is heading to be one of the most important shows of our generation, as the only show providing needed guidance on religion.
One thing that confounds me is how none of the Mandalorians knew who Luke Skywalker was.
Din asks Luke if he's a Jedi. Luke destroyed the first Death Star AND brought down the empire---yet no one in that control room had heard of him?
I hate it that she is possibly force sensitive
She won’t be……. Much, but I’m loving how she’s the polar opposite of master Rey 👌🏼
Mandalorians are warriors by nature and depend on their fighting abilities. They able to make weapons to take on Jedi's and armor to block lightsabers.
I honestly think everyone is missing the verbiage used. Aptitude is your ability to use it, not how force sensitive you are. Same in real life, or dnd. Intellect vs wisdom. Knowledge you can learn, and ability to use the knowledge at your disposal. I think she's actually very strong in it, but lacks the capability to unlock her own capabilities. But will . Anyways... yea Aptitude is different from how sensitive to force she is. Just her ability to use it.
Also to addon i think even if shes lightly force sensitive it sets up her and grogu perfectly. For us old folks, freak and the mighty. Someone strong physically vs mental and someone mentally unique but physically frail. Both mandalorians. Both force sensitive. One my physical mandalorian, one more force jedi. It really is a perfect balance. And just enough force ro make them a team who can communicate through creeds.
I hope Mando season 4 will actually be about Din and not Bo. I used to love Bo Katan, and still did throughout the the show, up until the 3rd season when she became the main lead. Sure, lets make the person that is not a leader, her rule led to the destruction of Mandalore, she betrayed her sister, and she wrongfully accepted the Darksaber not once, but twice. Bo's arce should have been her being the more lone wolf kind if character. She should have been a support to Din, rather than the main character. Din should be the leader has he has proven he has leadership qualities and has united people many times through negotiating and inspiration.
I want to see not mastering the Force but having some control or force ability like the psychometry or something