He's always strong but he's also one of the most adaptable. He never changes too much throughout the series, so basic SF fundamentals will help against any version of Guile.
I think what makes Guile (and overall zoning) good in SF is the fact that the games have barely any mobility. Overall the series, without rolls or assaults the only way to counter a projectile in the ground (without using other of your own) is to block, but you be zoned anyway. You can jump, but you have no air dashing or air block so there is a high chance to you be hit anyway too. And if you managed to avoid it, the zoner would be already to move again and hit you with a DP (wich is quite common for one have it)
As a young player who never experienced anything before the latter half of SFV, I love hearing about SF4 and the evolution of character and game design, if this sort of stuff isnt shared it just gets lost to time!
Im convinced capcom saw how aggressive Du played Guile in SF4 that they said "hmm maybe we should make Guile tools better for that playstyle" going into SFV
Nothing is impressive about good defense if their is no drawback to it. Literally hold down back and afk. The ball is always is always in your court. It's gay design. And I'm gay.
@@onthedre "Literally hold down back and afk" Do you say all charge characters are top tier then or are we just pretend Guile is the only one that can hold down back?
Good info & history. I played him in SF2, skipped SF4, & subbed him in SF5. cMK & some other normals being special cancelable is interesting in SF6. Charge supers can be tough for me on pad, so I've been thinking on whether to sub him. Nice vid.
I'm glad that you acknowledged just how good Guile's sweep was in SF5! What a great whiff punish option that was! For reference, I liked SF2 Guile, hated SF4 Guile, and I loved SF5 and SF6 Guile. The more offensive-oriented Guile from SF5 and SF6, to me, gave the character a breath of fresh air.
I'm a Guile main since sf2, but in sf4 i struggled a lot playing him for all the causes you have exposed. In SFV i didn't like the link system and the overall feeling but i've played guile for a bit and i found it was very fine tuned with sonic blade. In SF6 i think he's the best he has ever been, he remains a very solid (and stoic) character for the ages
It blows my mind you think Guile is super strong in SF6. Sure, definitely strong, but damn; one jump-in on him from a SB is about 2700dmg from every character in the game without meter. Versus, 600dmg Perfect SB and you can just hold Parry all day against SB - which also has no chip damage to health anymore. ***Guile*** SF2 WW: Strong SF2 CE: Strong SF2 HF: Very strong/strongest SF2 NC: Mid? SF2 ST: Mid SFA: Strong? (Charlie) SFA2: Strong? (Charlie) SFA3: Weak (Guile) SF3 3S: Weak (Remy) SF4: Mid and very strong during one of the seasons. SF5: Strong and potentially very strong during one of the seasons.
(Guile crouches) Opponent: "It is the end..." 😰😱 Street Fighter The Movie The Game (Arcade) has my favorite version of Guile in terms of gameplay 😁 He is very fun in that game. Hope it gets a re release.
Mura I don’t know if you ever heard of a pokemon series called “How Good was X Pokemon Actually” You can look it up but I wouldn’t be surprised if you were able to do a great series on this for Street Fighter when it comes to a character’s competitive play In some instances, some titles have been called “How Bad Was X Pokemon Actually” as a little troll but fun video
@ I think you’d do an amazing SF rendition . I know the videos take a ton of research but I think it would be great content for the FGC . I would not be surprised if the videos do very well
also nearly every button in sfv/6 confirms into full combos. that's one of the problems with the games. you can't play unless you like every touch canceling into a long elaborate combo using multiple systems and resources. it's why there's no keepway characters anymore
I always thought they could have taken guile core gameplay and given it basically the shoto treatment since it basically is the charge version of one , with a more defensive archetype compared to the shotos offense But the only character they really made that followed this was alpha charlie (who was pretty much just a 1 for 1 clone it felt like lol) and remy who I think deserves another chance he was just in a game that didn't gel with the playstyle.. some people would even say chunli or deejay but while they have similar stuff in some games I think they ultimately fall into to a more hybrid like gameplay mixing regular circle movements w charge .
Well guile not top tier in this one that’s for sure ..There’s only a handful of guile players who put in work ,and most of them been guile mains since sf4..there’s is no new guile pro player in sf6 for a reason .Theres just simply better characters with less skill required to play them.
Omg i can't believe someone in the world gets it.. My faith in humanity has risen once more lol, joking aside I'm not biased i know guile is pretty good or decent but no new guile pro players for a reason..
Capcom nerfed his medium buttons, and C LK is still not cancellable... But we now have abhorrent horror stories like Season 2 Rashid, Bison and Akuma to deal with...
Ok, I paused the video at the start just to say this: Buddy, sf4 guile is like the only time where guile was just "Ok", he was always at least "good" in sf2, and even broken in some of its editions, that was when Daigo first played him. He had an extremly busted Low forward, along with the always reliable sonic boom, this combo made him very powerful. Daigo describes guile in sf2 as "A lancer knight that also has a machine gun" 😂 Anyway, back to the video now 😂
@@MCMuraFGCsonic boom not being plus on block in the corner is just a projectile ,there’s a few characters that can walk behind there fireball .and his buttons up close are good but the fact that you can just DI most of them sucks .
Honestly for SF6 mechanism, i think Guile is very slow charecter , also he doesn't has range normal except standing HP and unfortunately his crouching MK can't cancel into drive rush unlike most of the charecters in the roster where you can cancel their crouching MK
I mean in one way the fact sf 2 guile and sf6 guile still play almost identical except for one special added and like one normal is pretty incredible and shows how much sf2 really got right that early on But you can also look at it that guile has remained untouched for decades with minimal additions and even those dont stray to far from the comfort zone Both hold some truth but I will say I really wish we got at least 1 more new special for him , something that could be used as a combo starter/extender or I always thought a good one could be basically a guile version of ryu donkey kick that had a large amount of push back in order to create space or reset neutral where he excels at.. idk just something thou he has by far the lowest amount of specials and I do really like the special they gave him but it doesn't really expand his gameplay a ton In new /interesting ways
Hes not top tier and rarely is. He wasnt in SF2, he wasnt in SF4 vanilla, wasnt in AE, wasnt in AE2012, and he wasnt in SF5 for MOST of its lifespan, and he is not top tier in 6. Dont know where you're pulling this logic from.
Nah, he's not "top tier". The FGC, especially the SF community, is filled with downplaying propagandists. Everyone wants to feel like every character except theirs is broken. Since Guile is always solid and demands a steady game plan it's easier for others to come together and overrate him. It annoys people. He's a character that you can depend on to put ahead of yours, despite never having the strongest meta (SF5 3frame, low forward conversions or SF6 low forward DR combo) If he was truly top tier, you'd see the character flood tournaments like you see with iterations of JP, Cammy, Akuma, Rashid, Luke, Ken, Bison, Balrog in 5
You'd see tournaments flooded with him "if" he was truly top tier? True, Kind of how like in DBFZ how everyone played Gotenks in tournament since he was so good in so many versions. Oh wait...
@kickasscowell5654 so your one example in a different game (which I am not sure is even true) proves I'm wrong on that point despite me providing multiple examples?
Plus I'm pretty sure the character hasn't won evo since sf4 and possibly before.. That's easily 5 or more extremely 15 ish years of not winning evo.. Guile as a secondary character or as a counter pick doesn't count I don't care.
@@MindoftheNorthStar other DBFZ characters that were yapped about it just really strong but unseen in tournament despite that, Z broly, piccolo, Majin Buu, kid Buu, hell even 16 wasn't on a ton of teams in S1. Strive had fellas like goldlewis, mvc3 has the KBR team which is full of eh characters but makes a top tier team, that has finally gotten real recognition. No, one example doesn't price you wrong. But just because "they aren't seen in tourney much" doesn't mean they're not strong. And the fact that Guile has stayed so true to himself while being strong in almost every iteration despite system changes, is a testament to his general strength I think. I ain't gonna say he's not a specialists kind of boi though, not everyone can just play Guile and be a good guile. Hence why he's not always in tourneys, at least that's one reason, a big one for many
@@kickasscowell5654 I am not saying there aren't exceptions to this rule in ALL fighting games, but tournament representation with money on the line in SF specifically has been a reliable indicator. I forgot to add Karin SF5. There was a point in time where tournaments were either Rashiid or Karin. All you saw were rich white girl sweeps and people doing their best Punk impressions. But they all promised you Guile was the busted one.
He's definitely not top tier. Strong all-round but he's not top tier. Got to many counter picks and gets destroyed by two or three of the cast too. JP, Cammy and Bison.
What dont understand is why Capcom is love with this character…. He’s been completely busted since 5 and they make him stronger each game. Literally zero weaknesses. Makes zero sense 🤷🏾♂️
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Why? Because he's a family man, and as Toretto told us; there's nothing more powerful than family
He's always strong but he's also one of the most adaptable. He never changes too much throughout the series, so basic SF fundamentals will help against any version of Guile.
Exactly.
I think what makes Guile (and overall zoning) good in SF is the fact that the games have barely any mobility. Overall the series, without rolls or assaults the only way to counter a projectile in the ground (without using other of your own) is to block, but you be zoned anyway. You can jump, but you have no air dashing or air block so there is a high chance to you be hit anyway too. And if you managed to avoid it, the zoner would be already to move again and hit you with a DP (wich is quite common for one have it)
ye I remember sf4 vanilla when Guile was the worst character or the game, still mained him though lol
Vega and Dan were both much worse
*Strong main gameplan*
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Would you like to see more videos like this in the future ? there isn't that much going on with SF6 anyways.
There's always something to talk about for SF6. And there's always people willing to hear it.
I personally love the variety, keep it up 👍
As a young player who never experienced anything before the latter half of SFV, I love hearing about SF4 and the evolution of character and game design, if this sort of stuff isnt shared it just gets lost to time!
Before I watch the vid, don't forget about the first sf2, guile could ToD with just stand lp
World warrior guile was too good 😂
@@kickasscowell5654 just typed that same exact comment 😂
Im convinced capcom saw how aggressive Du played Guile in SF4 that they said "hmm maybe we should make Guile tools better for that playstyle" going into SFV
I'll always miss Dimenion's SF4 Guile. Such an awesome display of impenetrable defense.
Nothing is impressive about good defense if their is no drawback to it. Literally hold down back and afk. The ball is always is always in your court. It's gay design. And I'm gay.
@@onthedreretarded assessment
@@onthedre I agree with your last sentence.
I miss his gameplay too, Diemenion was absolutely sick
@@onthedre "Literally hold down back and afk"
Do you say all charge characters are top tier then or are we just pretend Guile is the only one that can hold down back?
This video is so good I love this video so much
Good info & history. I played him in SF2, skipped SF4, & subbed him in SF5.
cMK & some other normals being special cancelable is interesting in SF6.
Charge supers can be tough for me on pad, so I've been thinking on whether to sub him. Nice vid.
I'm glad that you acknowledged just how good Guile's sweep was in SF5! What a great whiff punish option that was!
For reference, I liked SF2 Guile, hated SF4 Guile, and I loved SF5 and SF6 Guile. The more offensive-oriented Guile from SF5 and SF6, to me, gave the character a breath of fresh air.
People forget that Guile was the best character in SF6 during the closed betas. The ONLY time he was the best character in the game lol.
Did he get nerfed hard?
@viewerguy10 No.
@@viewerguy10he dosnt have down MK cancelable so he is born nerf
I'm a Guile main since sf2, but in sf4 i struggled a lot playing him for all the causes you have exposed. In SFV i didn't like the link system and the overall feeling but i've played guile for a bit and i found it was very fine tuned with sonic blade. In SF6 i think he's the best he has ever been, he remains a very solid (and stoic) character for the ages
It blows my mind you think Guile is super strong in SF6. Sure, definitely strong, but damn; one jump-in on him from a SB is about 2700dmg from every character in the game without meter. Versus, 600dmg Perfect SB and you can just hold Parry all day against SB - which also has no chip damage to health anymore.
***Guile***
SF2 WW: Strong
SF2 CE: Strong
SF2 HF: Very strong/strongest
SF2 NC: Mid?
SF2 ST: Mid
SFA: Strong? (Charlie)
SFA2: Strong? (Charlie)
SFA3: Weak (Guile)
SF3 3S: Weak (Remy)
SF4: Mid and very strong during one of the seasons.
SF5: Strong and potentially very strong during one of the seasons.
I would love more gameplay/meta history of SF. SF6 is my first game in the series so this is super interesting to find out.
Rushdown Guile was/is the coolest character in SFV/SF6 😤
(Guile crouches)
Opponent: "It is the end..." 😰😱
Street Fighter The Movie The Game (Arcade) has my favorite version of Guile in terms of gameplay 😁
He is very fun in that game.
Hope it gets a re release.
Mura
I don’t know if you ever heard of a pokemon series called “How Good was X Pokemon Actually”
You can look it up but I wouldn’t be surprised if you were able to do a great series on this for Street Fighter when it comes to a character’s competitive play
In some instances, some titles have been called “How Bad Was X Pokemon Actually” as a little troll but fun video
I know the series and am a big fan 😅
@ I think you’d do an amazing SF rendition . I know the videos take a ton of research but I think it would be great content for the FGC . I would not be surprised if the videos do very well
@@problemsnearyou8899 funny thing is that the Wolfey videos are a great inspiration to this video although i can't edit well enough like his editors 😅
@ this video made me think a series like this would be great . Plenty of people would love that stuff
If only we had Sagat in SF6, they'll probably wait for something like year 5 to put him in the game
Because he’s part of the Greatest Men ever Created, American Soldiers.
And he does have extensive boom loops without meter that worked on most of the cast except shotos in sf4 I made a combo video showing some of them off
Top5 Charecters Season 2 ?
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???
He may have been lower tier, but he was a lot more fun in SF4. ...then again, I like sf4 gamplay.
Wasn't Guile Top Tier in (Super SF4)?
Yeah he was very strong only during SSF4
New video idea. Why Dudley is the best character ever and why Capcom is scared to bring him back.
Dudley doesn't work in any game past SF4 because he requires skill
jabs and shorts are also a frame or two shorter across the board, and charge time is a bit lower
also nearly every button in sfv/6 confirms into full combos. that's one of the problems with the games. you can't play unless you like every touch canceling into a long elaborate combo using multiple systems and resources. it's why there's no keepway characters anymore
I always thought they could have taken guile core gameplay and given it basically the shoto treatment since it basically is the charge version of one , with a more defensive archetype compared to the shotos offense
But the only character they really made that followed this was alpha charlie (who was pretty much just a 1 for 1 clone it felt like lol) and remy who I think deserves another chance he was just in a game that didn't gel with the playstyle.. some people would even say chunli or deejay but while they have similar stuff in some games I think they ultimately fall into to a more hybrid like gameplay mixing regular circle movements w charge .
Maybe in a versus game that'd be cool, idk about a mainline sf title though
Great Video. The End 🕹️
He was prob top tier in all the variants of sf2
No. He's "good" tier in super turbo but below the top tiers.
Perfect, perfect, perfect.... love it.
He's getting stronger
SF7 he's gonna be flying and charging in the air 😨
Well guile not top tier in this one that’s for sure ..There’s only a handful of guile players who put in work ,and most of them been guile mains since sf4..there’s is no new guile pro player in sf6 for a reason .Theres just simply better characters with less skill required to play them.
Omg i can't believe someone in the world gets it.. My faith in humanity has risen once more lol, joking aside I'm not biased i know guile is pretty good or decent but no new guile pro players for a reason..
Guile is the most overrated character in sf6, but still got nerf in every version.
The most stressfull character to face, i like the character, but i hate fight against Guile.
Linz is messing with your mind, man. 😂😂😂
Nah, Linz would be insane in any game. I wish you played against his Black Adam in Injustice lmao, was a demon
@ hahaha. Just kidding. Sure he is an extraordinary player and Guile is top tier material as well. Great match! Keep up the good work!
Sf4 Guile is better then Sf6 Guile! In SF6 he trade hits too much and it drives me crazy
Capcom nerfed his medium buttons, and C LK is still not cancellable... But we now have abhorrent horror stories like Season 2 Rashid, Bison and Akuma to deal with...
The only character in sf6 with a cancelable C LK is Chun-Li.
Guile is like playing Protoss, gotta be perfect
Yeah but almost all of guiles pokes are prone to drive impact
Ok, I paused the video at the start just to say this:
Buddy, sf4 guile is like the only time where guile was just "Ok", he was always at least "good" in sf2, and even broken in some of its editions, that was when Daigo first played him. He had an extremly busted Low forward, along with the always reliable sonic boom, this combo made him very powerful.
Daigo describes guile in sf2 as "A lancer knight that also has a machine gun" 😂
Anyway, back to the video now 😂
Guile in a game with no dashes/mobility and even better sonic booms 💀💀
@@MCMuraFGCsonic boom not being plus on block in the corner is just a projectile ,there’s a few characters that can walk behind there fireball .and his buttons up close are good but the fact that you can just DI most of them sucks .
As a Juri player, I would love to see a Juri retrospective on how she is in each game.
Bcoz of Theme 🗿
Honestly for SF6 mechanism, i think Guile is very slow charecter , also he doesn't has range normal except standing HP and unfortunately his crouching MK can't cancel into drive rush unlike most of the charecters in the roster where you can cancel their crouching MK
Should've been from sf2 to sf6
How to beat fireballs? Just be clairvoyant noob duh. (sarcasm)
I mean in one way the fact sf 2 guile and sf6 guile still play almost identical except for one special added and like one normal is pretty incredible and shows how much sf2 really got right that early on
But you can also look at it that guile has remained untouched for decades with minimal additions and even those dont stray to far from the comfort zone
Both hold some truth but I will say I really wish we got at least 1 more new special for him , something that could be used as a combo starter/extender or I always thought a good one could be basically a guile version of ryu donkey kick that had a large amount of push back in order to create space or reset neutral where he excels at.. idk just something thou he has by far the lowest amount of specials and I do really like the special they gave him but it doesn't really expand his gameplay a ton In new /interesting ways
Hes not top tier and rarely is. He wasnt in SF2, he wasnt in SF4 vanilla, wasnt in AE, wasnt in AE2012, and he wasnt in SF5 for MOST of its lifespan, and he is not top tier in 6.
Dont know where you're pulling this logic from.
Well in World Warrior he was, and I think also in Champion, but not in ST.
Guile is not top tier in sf6 and he wasn't in sfv either
Nah, he's not "top tier".
The FGC, especially the SF community, is filled with downplaying propagandists. Everyone wants to feel like every character except theirs is broken. Since Guile is always solid and demands a steady game plan it's easier for others to come together and overrate him. It annoys people. He's a character that you can depend on to put ahead of yours, despite never having the strongest meta (SF5 3frame, low forward conversions or SF6 low forward DR combo) If he was truly top tier, you'd see the character flood tournaments like you see with iterations of JP, Cammy, Akuma, Rashid, Luke, Ken, Bison, Balrog in 5
You'd see tournaments flooded with him "if" he was truly top tier? True, Kind of how like in DBFZ how everyone played Gotenks in tournament since he was so good in so many versions. Oh wait...
@kickasscowell5654 so your one example in a different game (which I am not sure is even true) proves I'm wrong on that point despite me providing multiple examples?
Plus I'm pretty sure the character hasn't won evo since sf4 and possibly before.. That's easily 5 or more extremely 15 ish years of not winning evo.. Guile as a secondary character or as a counter pick doesn't count I don't care.
@@MindoftheNorthStar other DBFZ characters that were yapped about it just really strong but unseen in tournament despite that, Z broly, piccolo, Majin Buu, kid Buu, hell even 16 wasn't on a ton of teams in S1.
Strive had fellas like goldlewis, mvc3 has the KBR team which is full of eh characters but makes a top tier team, that has finally gotten real recognition.
No, one example doesn't price you wrong. But just because "they aren't seen in tourney much" doesn't mean they're not strong.
And the fact that Guile has stayed so true to himself while being strong in almost every iteration despite system changes, is a testament to his general strength I think.
I ain't gonna say he's not a specialists kind of boi though, not everyone can just play Guile and be a good guile. Hence why he's not always in tourneys, at least that's one reason, a big one for many
@@kickasscowell5654 I am not saying there aren't exceptions to this rule in ALL fighting games, but tournament representation with money on the line in SF specifically has been a reliable indicator.
I forgot to add Karin SF5. There was a point in time where tournaments were either Rashiid or Karin. All you saw were rich white girl sweeps and people doing their best Punk impressions.
But they all promised you Guile was the busted one.
He’s a top tier nuisance.
He's definitely not top tier. Strong all-round but he's not top tier. Got to many counter picks and gets destroyed by two or three of the cast too. JP, Cammy and Bison.
What dont understand is why Capcom is love with this character….
He’s been completely busted since 5 and they make him stronger each game. Literally zero weaknesses. Makes zero sense 🤷🏾♂️