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- PLAYERS QUITTING GO BATTLE LEAGUE? HOW CAN THEY FIX IT? A LOT OF PLAYERS SEEM TO HAVE QUIT PLAYING GO BATTLE LEAGUE IN POKEMON GO, HOW CAN NIANTIC FIX THAT
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Just fix the frame drops and I'll be a happy boy
Honestly, thats the biggest thing, the game needs to at the very least work lol
I wish that once you had learned a move through TMs, you could swap to it at a whim. Or, just make them like elites, without the legacy moves. Sick of running out and being stuck with a useless moveset.
They need to have GL, UL, ML on at all times with unlimited sets. No Elo gains, just for fun. No prizes. 5 sets it's often not enough. Plus, if there's a week you don't want to play, you can maintain your practice.
I wish XL candies were easier to get. 200+ can be an absolute barrier to having some mons.
I wish you could actually use a berry to lower your own CP. I have legacy Pokémon that have PvP stats (didn't know back then) that are one power up over CP limit.
The TM system badly needs an update
Within the last two months over 80% of our pogo group just straight up quit. We all used to see each other a couple times a week and now, nothing...Also after I hit expert for the first time ever, I completely stopped playing gbl cause of the lag. The game has completely fallen from grace...
It Never had grace hahahah, just hype when it first came out
Yeah the longer you play the less likely you are to keep playing
The remote raid change and the increase of Poke Coins, and the continued emphasis on in person only raids has basically killed the game for me and the few locals I still talk to and know.
I can only speak for me, but it happened when I spent a year finally getting and building halfway decent pokemon, and the entire meta changed and I went from a 2500-2600 player to a 2200-2300 player from whacky ever changing meta’s.
Personally I just want to one day hit 3000, after this last season and this season I felt burnt and it felt impossible. Before that I felt like I could get a team together and eventually grind up there from out playing others. It feels so RPS now and that’s boring af.
Just comeback to the 2 weeks ago now I'm ranked 2500 🤠
Tbf. There being a meta at all is bunk. PGO favors dragons way too much. It also doesn’t even respect electric Pokémon at all. Electric Pokémon should have the fastest charging moves based on their speed and they gave up on that right away.
Aside from all the stuff you mentioned, pvp is just really hard to get into. I've been saying this from the beginning but if you're a new player, it's gonna take you months or maybe even a year to get to max level and have a decent amount of pvp ready pokemon for great and or ultra league. And unless you're a whale, forget master league.
I think so too, making things more accessible would be a huge benefit to the game
12:07 this is exactly how I felt when I first started playing this game again a year ago, after quitting in 2016 due to lack of content (nothing to do except catch and put in gyms).
Niantic is the first company I’ve ever experienced actively pushing their players away/reduce or restrict play time. Not just with Pokémon go, but monster Hunter as well. It’s a pretty well documented trend that more play time = more money spent, yet they do things like limit daily battles, no unranked matchmaking, and even paywall potions in monster Hunter.
Other live service games I’ve played really feel like they are fighting for your time. Niantic is like an abusive partner you can’t let go, that relies on sunken cost fallacy to keep players in. It’s their most profitable IP by far and their company would bankrupt within a year without it, they should treat it with the care it deserves.
Some great points here, as someone who knows nothing about their other games its interesting to learn that they do things like that over there too
My opinion about GBL: People can't play the Pokemon they want. You're forced to play the "the meta" or counter "the meta". No in between. There's hundreds of Pokemon in the game but only 20~are viable. Unlike other Pokemon games where there were themed battles, GBL forces you to only use the strongest group, and then with moved updates you're forced to build other Pokemon you don't really care for. I would love to play my favorite Pokemon type (bugs), but outside of Charjabug, they are EXTREMELY fragile.
After playing GBL for a while, because it's so RPS/RNG, I get frustrated then say "I'm just gonna play Pokemon I want to play". After several losses in reminded that I can't do that because that's not fun to keep losing to the same. So dumb.
Fantastic video King 👑 you covered these topics amazingly well, I loved your thoughts expressing the big concerns behind GBL getting stale. I completely understand where you’re coming from and how it negatively impacts GBL and the game as a whole.
I think the biggest problem with this concern is that Niantic wants this to be a casual game, even from the PvP standpoint. Notice that a lot of move updates have lots of RPS buff/debuff mons. Some of that is okay, I just think it is really overplayed, especially this time. Niantic is out of touch with the amount of players who are competitive PvPers. I understand that the percentage is very small, but they love to assume that many of the PvPers only hit vet or lower so my theory is they are making many move updates cater to those specific folks
Yea I truly think they are purposely trying to make the game RPS with the updates they are doing
I dont think people would ever believe me because I have no proof but the other day I played against an opponent who has 3 charged moves on their Mandibuzz ?! It had foul play, dark pulse and STONE EDGE . I was using an ice type pokemon against their mandi and DID NOT EXPEXT AT ALL A STONE EDGE so I let it go. Guess what, I lost ! Turned out they have regirock at the back. My thought is probably they already swapped into regirock but on my screen I still played against their mandi till the end. TF?!
I was just waiting for Clodsire "Rival Male" to appear 😂
lmao, slap off to the death
I have lost game after game because of the game itself. Fully lagged out games, missing turns due to lag, charge attacks not registering I’m trying to throw
After losing tons of games due to the game itself, I basically quit PvP this season
The most problem I have with GBL is the macht making.
Yes I wacht youtubers and I try there teams. I know that I can't create there results. But loosing 10 games in a row because there countering me. That's no fun.
They should’ve added abilities to make the game deeper. It would’ve made it far more interesting from a competitive standpoint.
I mean it could be cool but it would also be cool if I could throw my charge moves and swap in with 0 turns haha
THERES SO MUCH LAGG!!!!
it needs to stop lol
Whats good KGBL, been a while. Congratz on the Legend runs my friend.
Im def one of those who have lost interest/burned out. After getting so close to Legend in March and ultimately failing, i just fell off in April and have barely touched it since. I'm not gonna act like I was a great player, but I echo what GerkinsGames said. It kinda got boring after not being able to reach my goal. I grinded for mons, battles and id like to think i made legitimate improvements. Yet after the final result, i felt too spent to try again in such a wild meta. 😢😢 Maybe its just me?
Why you wanna hit legend then? For a stupid pose and a title that none Will know unless you equip the pose ( and even then the regular joe wont bat an eye ) the rewards are underwhelming
@@Ecke4kmainly for the challenge. Now it just feels like the challenge isnt worth the grind anymore.
Really hope Niantic actually fixes these issues. Unfortunately, they might not listen but I have some hope that GBL will get better. I’m on iPhone but I do get 1 turn lag and the app crashes occasionally. It’s making feel like I won’t play GBL every week if it keeps up. Also, a little off topic but I really hope they don’t continue with these 2-weeks limited metas.
The lag is most frustrating. You are winning, the game freezes, you eventually have to restart and you have lost the game.
Another thing is the availability of pokemon and XL candy. Change the 1:100 conversion rate of candy to XL candy or increase rare candy XL chances.
Also the rewards could be better. The chances of receiving a legendary pokemon are too low. Rare candy XL would also be a nice reward or the meta pokemon with their moves (e.g. Metagross with Meteor Mash when you play Master League Premier)
Another suggestion would be to improve practice mode. Maybe unranked player to player battle, but really anything would be better than the current system of battles against the 3 team leaders.
I think the switch timer should be 10-15 secs shorter.
Honestly I just find it too hard. I’ve played pokemon go for years but only just really got into battle league this season and I got to ace. I never played pokemon games before so I’m not sure of weaknesses etc and all the movesets and counting 🤯 i love your videos to learn and you and a few other creators have helped me so much. Like I said it’s my first season in gbl so I will get there. Keep up the good work ☺️
I think apart from all these issues there‘s also general PoGO fatigue. The game is old, repetitive and shallow, there is little innovation (most new features are very conservative in regards to the gameplay) and they keep charging unbelievably high prices for everything. Like, seriously, do they really think I will pay 18 (!!!) frickin euros for another Go Fest ticket that offers nothing but the exact same gameplay loop as 4 years ago? Nah, thanks, I‘m fine.
And yeah, the amount of issues and bugs this game is plagued with after 8 years is downright shocking. With this kind of revenue this is not even remotely acceptable. I‘m also incredibly disappointed by Nintendo/TPC‘s lack of agency, but it seems nobody gives a damn about the quality of Pokemon games these days. It‘s just sad at this point.
Its really surprising they would allow their franchise to be run badly in this way, you would think they'd intervene
The thing about not being easy to fix GBL, is to me a completely wrong way of thinking about it. It's a company, people are being paid, it's work, they are not making us a favor. It doesn't matter if it's hard to rewrite the code, they simply have to if they have to. Now if you were to say the staff is being crunched with bad salaries and unreasonable time constraints, now it's a fair discussion that makes sense, but if that is not the case, if Niantic could pay a better salary, if Niantic could hire more people, then they have to, otherwise we're absolutely in the right to demand regardless if it's too much work or not, because it's not our responsibility to manage their company, specially when 99% of the playerbase seems to agree mostly other development studios would do a better job on this on anything that isn't AR related.
I'm not trying to be harsh on the developers, but I think if we act this way we are letting Niantic use the developers as human shields to their own management mistakes, we have to criticize and when we do it's not necessarily directed to the lowest part of the chain in the development, but also and mostly to the management that is doing garbage work and using the figure of the humble developer in the chain as a shield for us not to criticize the company management.
Remember: GBL development is not a favor. This is a service, a company. This game is full of microtransactions, still makes huge profits, gathers our GPS data and is delivering absolutely garbage stability for years.
Also, for the record, I do not think it's a mistake. They intentionally understaff to save costs to the areas they think make more money while doing the bare minimum on the PvP side to keep the money from the PvP players, that includes the PvP focused community days which is a free idea to do for them.
I fully agree, the company should be doing a lot better, I do know that these things are complicated and are not just some quick fixes even with more devs, look at Call of Duty, literally 1000s of devs but still full of bugs, more devs doesnt always mean less bugs, I dont think Niantic are doing their best to fix these things though
The amount of streams I watch in the discord where I watch one of our members throw on proper timing but the 1 turn lag causing them to throw on alignment is absurd and unacceptable, especially on Android
Frame drops and not having charge moves pop up when switching
I barely hit ace rank every season only to get the elite TM.. lately the state of the game was so bad that i continue to play till rank 20 because i was already at rank 16. After that ill never touch GBL till next season
2:29 yea i see about that too but issue is they have a team too but then yea new bug fix= new bugs popping out
i used to play 4 years back and 1 thing that striked me was that i couldnt get my rank up at all after 20 i won so many games but that meter wouldnt inch 1 bit
The framedrops on android are criminal. Playing on such devices feels horrible. If they don't fix the game next season, I think I will quit pretty early. Why waste time and money to play a broken game with absolute no competitive integrity? Maybe I will continue playing PvE, but getting good GBL pokemon is a strong motivating factor for going out, so I may end up looking for a new hobby
Uhhh, let’s try a random Elo based match making system?
Well said king
the cow is dry lol
Honestly hitting legend for the 3rd straight season and 7 overall ive figured how to play, now im finding myself not eager to play or climb anymore because its the same ol bs with this game..need something fresh and new..a shakeup if some sorts.
I’d say hold the useless updates and focus on current issues such as player feedback.
And by player feedback, I mean, addressing the concerns of the player base not necessarily solving all problems. Every player has, but at least acknowledging us.
One of the buggest things they need to change that affects pvp the most. Charged tms seem impossible to get and when you do get them you have to spend 10 to get a single move out of a move pool of 3 moves. Its crazy
Also the visuals of fast moves. The fact you cant time moves by visuals and have to count them is ridiculous
There has to be more people giving stage to these criticisms. For every game
You can to some degree, if you were visual only it would never be as accurate as just counting, but there's so much lag in general that neither counting or visuals are completely accurate now lol
Hey King, great insights! I’ll add something about GL Remix. I would add it too as a permanent rotation BUT it can’t be about banning the most used Pokemon of last season. They should be banning the most used pokemon in the current season. The whole point of remix is taking a break of the current Meta. And this season for example, Remix was full of Annihilape and Empoleon.
That would be a decent idea, if they have someone like Michael who is a PVP enjoyer he should be able to hand pick the bans much better
Hi KingGBL. Really enjoy your videos. I agree with your thoughts on limited shifting cups and the current state of the Open Great League. Thanks for all you do!
What are your thoughts on a shift in PVP (and GO in general) to highlight the 'Mons level instead of CP? I personally enjoy GBL and PVP, however many trainers in our local community find calculating overall stat product for each league and it's complicated relationship to IVs overwhelming, some longtime trainers do not even know there is a hidden level represented in the form of the "slider". IMO, many more trainers would play GBL if it implemented a mechanic more similar to the traditional games where a 'Mon would be auto-leveled to meet specified caps for each league. This also addresses concerns around limited resources to train 'Mon for each league or to realize that a prized 4* may not actually be the best option for spending those resources for use in many GBL cups.
This idea seems to go against the "vision" of the game's creators and breaks core game mechanics, but undoubtledly would be a huge shake up that could spark more casual trainers interest in the PVP aspect of the game.
I quite like the CP system personally because its kind of exciting hunting for pvp ivs which keeps me playing the main version of the game but I understand how its pretty hard to understand if you dont know anything about it already
I agree with the loss of catch cup. I was super fortunate to catch GL Pokémon that I didn’t have already but in the past I had to build Pokémon who I had no intention on keeping because the iv’s were awful specifically for that cup.
Yeah catch cup is there to make people dump resources and nothing more imo
The cup schedules need to include more accessible options, like adding an open league in weeks like this catch cup crap. I can't stand playing this week.
And we need to be doing more to buff Pokémon with move pool expansions + new moves while focusing less on nerfing moves with wide distribution.
1. Instead of having 2 categories per week, how about having 3 to 4 cups per week of rotation?
2. I'm thinking of having catch cups permanently on the roster but you can only use mons at most 30 days ago.
3. Need to have mons that have abilities to eliminate RPS scanario.
That sounds cool however I think there wouldnt be enough players to fill 3 or metas
Or stop hard countering people! With this damn algorithm let us just have neutral leads I get we can’t win games! But damn to be hard countered after winnning a lot of matches recently seems sus! As well with fix lag, frame drops and definitely ban cheaters cuz I know people cheat!
by just stopping to make the grind so tedious. and maybe inventing some kind of system that actually works
i strongly disagree with you about cups. i hate cups that only last one week. i can't play five sets a day and it's so disappointing when i build a team for a cup and after a week i can't use it again. also at my elo (ace usually) they're never stale metas. people start with the pvpoke meta but then shift to the Pokémon that beat the meta, then shift to the Pokémon that beat the meta breakers, then start to run the original meta again. I enjoy changing around my team to best predict what will be there and these are the times i can actually climb to veteran. having each league run for two weeks but be one week out of sync is great because you can change every week if you want to or you can stick with that meta you're learning and the team you built for it. however, you're right that it's boring when one of those leagues is one of the standard ones, especially master league
That's understandable, I guess if you arent hardcore grinding it would be nice to have the Pokemon there for it, after a while though your built Pokemon will be good for other cups and when you have a lot of options to play for a few weeks you might find that it becomes repetitive
@@KingGBL you're right of course but i like the fact that i can predict what's coming and use a spicy Pokémon that breaks what others are using. Just can't do it in the Great League
Yeah great league is not very spice friendly anymore
1 month without playing, just too much lag
Game-breaking lag and rubbish cups this season. Niantic doesnt seem to be putting any effort into PvP anymore.
They're not even working on making the app usable, much less GBL. when I launch the game on Android sometimes it takes me half a dozen tries before it responds to anything--screen is just frozen lol
I haven't played GBL since Remix (when it started getting super laggy) and I haven't played much of the other parts of the game--catching, raiding--for almost a year. Hard for me not to play beyond casual when Niantic hasn't shown it cares about its playerbase since like 2020
Completely agree about catch cup! I absolutely loathe catch cup every season.
I only play to battle,
I only
Play events to catch pokemon to battle.
Master league, and catch cup has complete ruined my interest in the game.
Like you said. I don’t play last week..guess I can skip this week too
I think they just need to make meta pokemon more available, make xl candy easier to obtain, cycle good legendaries more often, introduce breeding so we can get better IVS. Getting a pokemon is way to much of a grind when it's gonna be useless next season
They need to fix the issue where it’s a coin flip as to whether it’s a one turn switch in or not. It needs to be constant and not left up to a coin flip. Secondly, they need to completely shake up the meta. They had a chance to drastically alter the meta before Carbink came out, but then they nerfed Carbink before it was even released. They need to make the appropriate buffs and nerfs so that some mon are now completely worthless like cres and registeel and things like grass and bug are actually viable. Third of all, ELO needs to be eliminated. At the end of the day, this game is created for kids and casual players and NOT the types that go to regionals. The best players will still end up in the tournaments, but if you grind, you should be rewarded based on wins and losses, not consecutive wins. ELO causes probably 90% of players to quit playing at rank twenty or not even play GBL. We also need more cups, like snow cup, which would be ice, steel, and normal types and fog being ghost, dark, normal. Also, remix should ban an additional ten mon. And catch cup HAS to go. Stardust is not plentiful enough to build multiples of a mon and forces some players to just sit out.
I'm currently losing 2 of 5 games per round to lag in a cup that requires hard grinding meta pokemon to win...WHATS NOT FUN ABOUT THAT!?!? hehe.
The best features they could add are all just making the game work. In a game where fractions of a second matter, you absolutely need a well oiled machine working behind it. Getting rid of the catch cup is a start. The cups are fun but they should spend some of that dough hiring pros to actually play through their cup ideas to find out what is and isn't way overpowered in each cup. I'm so tired of facing vigoroth in every cup where it is legal.
Bro my game keeps crashing and logging out especially when I'm in middle of a winning match , last season I got to expert ,this season I stopped playing after lvl 20 because of these glitches
Reduce the switch timer to 45 seconds
Great idea! Ive thought about this before too, would make a massive difference
They did that one season but I think it was 30sec. I was much more engaged in those battles.
@@briank5248 yeah I liked it, felt little too quick. Think 45 would work well. So much RPS getting walled on the safe swap currently
Agree with all of it.
Shake up meta every six months.
Elo only for leader boards.
They gatekeep the game man I tried to hang on after they took away all the pandemic perks but I’m just to busy to go out and consistently play the game like I have no other responsibilities make the pokemon more accessible and people would use more pokemon but in the games current state your forced to build metta if you even can to not waste your resources I played this game for like 5 years and never built more then a xl azu
Get woke, go broke xD
Would help if they focused more on balance and fixing lag/glitches.
Quite a few times recently I got the glitch that your pokemon stops responding to input.
Farm down one Pokemon, then when the next one comes in my screen stops responding and doesn’t let me throw the move I stored.
The frame drops and lag render the game basically unplayable. How long can that go on before people stop trying?
GBL is just stale. GL has been RPS for years and while there are 'adjustments' each season the gameplay stays the same, it just isn't enjoyable to play/watch anything at that level. ML was previously my favorite league, but between XL candies and remote raid nerfing along with ML getting hit with GL nerfs it is just hard to justify continuing to play in that league. UL theoretically would be great as far as competitions and special cups go given current mechanics, but for whatever reason Niantic just doesn't do anything with it. Ultimately, short of switching up gameplay with abilities or items I just don't see enduring engagement in GBL outside of people that are already emotionally invested in the gameplay.
Your best vid bringing up legit concerns
They need to kick players that crash GBL
I'm one of those that quit for the season at least
Game is dying from missmanagement...
They are always give with one hand and take away with the other.
There's no need. We are here for fun stop killing our enthusiasm.
Nice vid
easy. replace their cheating ass game coding for the section and let it run the way it meant to run. random generation isnt random when all the options in it all say "fuck you". the deck is stacked against you from the start.( and fixing the lag.)
Whatever happened to Pogogrind and SirLarsMed?
Good question, I dont know about Lars but I know grind has been active in his discord recently
@KingGBL I was so curious if the state of the game drove them away or if it was just life
yeah, you never know, I think it could have been both
@@KingGBL just means you can never leave us 😭😂
OMG, so many of these posts. But yeah, I'm in a place where I don't play much anymore. I don't grind as much and I don't play all my battles either.
yeah it seems many of us are thinking the same thing
Yes! Catch Cup needs to go! Plus, I agree that they need to stop catering to the people who play in worlds when they introduce move updates into the game. A workaround would be to not allow players at worlds to use the Pokémon with their updated moves so the meta doesn’t change. So, for instance if surf was added to Clodsire’s moveset you couldn’t use a Clodsire if it had surf on it. You’d have to TM over surf for it to be eligible.
Yeah, the catch cup sux, who wanna waste dusts on mons they already have😮💨
I didn't play a single game of catch cup. It may be that with the extra dust from 1st win you make up for what you built, but I just didn't have any interest. A flip side to the RNG pokemon in Go is that the main series game has always had a RNG element.
All this game is RPS ^.^ eggs,shinys anything & everything.
Just fix the frequent frame drop issues on Android device. Force players to buy new phone only to play PoGO is definitely not a wise advice.
I couldnt agree more, these phones are more than capable of playing games like this
COUNTER FOR NOCTOWL OR WE RIOT
Honestly pvp is hardcore i think.
Why else play, beyond collection?
One of my friend's quit cause he said he felt like he was just shiny hunting. & why not just play another pokémon game?
pvp is more hardcore for sure, I think it should be made made more accessible
Buff charm
Shit system as always 😮
He failed (including a lot of commenters) to address the effect of the obvious cheating going on in GBL. Only a handful of TH-camrs acknowledge it and try to address the wide spread cheating. There's just too many ways to cheat and too many cheaters. These cheats are causing the vast majority of lags, skip frames, third/forth shields, charge attacks not registering, and and etc. All the other complaints are minor to me. Anyone who doesn't take the cheating as the top issue is either compliciant or gas lighting.
what cheats are you talking about?
@@KingGBL The bot cheat that lets the cheater see the opposing players Pokemon and their moves before battling. The cheater uses airplane mode to cause lag. Cheaters flood the IP of the opponent to cause lag. My guess is there's at least over a dozen cheats to cause error 6 and 1000. Poke AK went over some of these.
Whats your elo? Because let me tell you this, if you are not above expert and are complaining about cheating you need to look at yourself
@@KingGBL You asked for examples of the cheats used, and I list some of them. Then you ignore the list and then try to blame me. In my opinion you're using these cheats and/or a gaslighter. Cheaters don't acknowledge cheating.
@clearseer007 there's cheaters in every game, deal with it or quit playing games, I'll set a challenge for you, find a cheat provider for discord bot that shows your opponents moves and pokemon, go find it and come back to me when you can send a link to it
I play PVP but damn. Everyone uses the same pokemon. Theres soo many available to use but everyone uses the same exact pokemon because they are OP. Makes it dull. Now if i want to keep up i have to run the same as everyone else 🫤 or just keep getting my ass kicked
I only play to battle,
I only
Play events to catch pokemon to battle.
Master league, and catch cup has complete ruined my interest in the game.
Like you said. I don’t play last week..guess I can skip this week too
yeah a lot of people are feeling the same thing