Mercedes-Benz W211 Engine Diagnostics/Problems - Everything You Need To Know (M113, & M272/M273)
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- ►In this Mercedes-Benz W211 Engine Guide, Kyle Bascombe, our Mercedes-Benz Catalog Manager, educates us about the engines found in the W211 chassis. There are three main engines covered in this video-the M113, and the M272/M273. Kyle goes over key maintenance items (such as crank pulleys, engine mounts), common failure points (breather hoses, crankshaft position sensor, EGR system), and the most common oil leaks (valve covers, timing cover, oil pan), across all three of these engines.
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M272 Engine Diagnostics closer look : • Mercedes W204 (C300 C3...
Mercedes-Benz W211 Models Equipped with the M272/M273 Engine:
• 2007-2009 Mercedes-Benz E350
• 2007-2009 Mercedes-Benz E550
Mercedes-Benz W211 Models Equipped with the M113 Engine:
• 2003-2006 Mercedes-Benz E500
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Love how Mercedes covered SBC fault in the US and it’s a warranty but here in Australia it’s just bad luck.
It's still worth trying to apply pressure to MB Australia and MB Germany after you've had to replace the SBC system. All it requires is two simple letters--or maybe a reach out to other Aussies via social media to commence a negative campaign. My mechanic told me the other day that here in Australia the SBC pump assembly costs $5000 or more to replace. It's just not good enough to extend warranty in one market to 25 years while denying it completely to loyal Mercedes-Benz customers in other markets.
all of these videos are helping me save a lot of money as I became an owner of an 04 E500
2 years ago and have changed 2 front end air struts, alternator, radiator, coolant reservoir, voice module, SAM unit [rear], rear lights, hood cable assembly, 3rd brake light, driver side CV axel, hood locking mechanism, so far! Car sat thru a snow season and rain up north so under carriage was rusted and brittle, holes in exhaust. I love the car - she seems to bounce back so well after all the abuse - keeping it.Will hit MB up for the SBC upgrade.
Love the w211 platform keep the videos coming and I’ll give you all my money
We've got a few more videos coming out on the W211, stay tuned!
Yes!! I love my E55... Even tho it has a stack of FCP euro receipts
Agreed
selling parts for German cars is the perfect business model to build a fortune quick ✌️
Are Mercedes making these w211,,in production??
What a great video, Ive bought alot of parts from you guys for my new CLS55 AMG, I am currently rebuilding the engine and bought many parts from FCP euro for this car and even my previous bmw e90 325i. You guys are soo innovative and great!!
Really appreciate all the support noscope, we are glad to be able to help supply you parts no matter what euro make!
Great! i got a w211 E320 Avantgarde from 2004, it has 200.000km down and it still works great. it has ofc small issues, but for such an old car its insanely good!
Love the vid
glad to hear youre enjoying you E320 TheBanger! Keep it fresh and running good for the rest of its life!
Very well spoken and precise on details. . great Job.
This man’s information is a blessing 🎉
Great work, thanks Kyle!
Love seeing fcp euro doing w211 content and specially e63 ..you got me for life 💪
Great video!
Already an FCP customer buying all that I need for my 04 e55 amg, can’t wait for that one video.....
Thanks guys!
Thanks, Titan! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Nice
The m113k is the best mercedes amg ever made its soo strong engine's
Agree
Strong.....and very powerfull!!!! ;)
Another W211 enthusiast here :-) much appreciating and enjoying your informative presentation!
Thank you kindly!
Great video, very informative. Thank you
Priceless info literally. Thanks!
Thank you for this video!! Thank you!! I learned a lot!!!
You're welcome, Jerry! Thanks for watching!
Wow thanks for the great video. Love me some FCP euro. Buy stuff from you guys all the time. Loving my 2 piece E63 rotors on my E55
What a great review, thank you for share.
Good job! The oil cooler gasket has the tendency to leak and feed the oil into to the engine coolant expansion tank.
Loved this video! Can't wait for the M113k video. You guys should also do a W210 video!
Thanks Alex, we hope to do em all eventually!
Thank you for sharing. Very useful.
No problem Bill, glad you found it useful.
I have the Canadian exclusive 2007 E280, this video is fantastic thank you!
You're welcome!
Fantastic information for a mechanic looking to buy my first Benz, thanks you will look into your 272 guide, thanks!
Excellent Information...I seem to have that dual battery system on my 2003 W211, as well...
I have an 07 w211 .. Love it ..subscribing
Thanks for the sub
This is an awesome video, I will share it to my MBCA's section facebook page many members have W211's and other cars with these engine in them!!!
We appreciate the share James! We have a few more W211 Buyers guide series videos coming out in the weeks to come, so hopefully you and the group can find them helpful!
Kyle Your The Best Bro.
Wonderful information, very helpful, and great presentations!
Thanks so much!
Right?!! He explained and demonstrated everything so well and so clearly.
Great video. Very informative.
Thanks timothy glad we could help share some info!
Thank you for this. Should we expect a similar review for the M276 with 306HP?
Great explaining. I wish there are more videos like this that covers all other aspects of other engines. I have a question, so I just recently got an E Klass 4 cylinder 2005 and the from time to time the oil gets mixed with water. The mechanic from the previous owner said it was from the oil coolant and they changed that just right before I bought but obviously it didn’t solve the problem. According to this video is suggests that water can get it from the water pump and I seem to buy that a lot. I just want to confirm is it possible for water to enter into the engine house from a bad water pump on a four cylinder engine?
Thanks for the great video. I have a 272 engine in my daughters 2006 E350 and a 113 in my G500. Both very realiable thus far.
Thanks for watching, Julio! Glad you like the video.
How have they been?
Thank you for such an informative and enjoyable video Kyle! FCP Euro, how about a weekly fire side live session with Kyle and friends 🙌
oooh good idea! Kyle loves a good fireside chat
Hi at 3.50 in the video, it’s mentioned oil entering the cooling system, are these particular water pump o ring seals accessible or does the timing cover need to be removed?? Thanks
brilliant video presentation, super pro
👍
Thanks for watching, G Lasser ❤
I don't see the links for the videos you had talked about on the M272. Thanks for the videos...I started buying all my parts from you because Alex from Legit Street Cars recommended you and I am super happy with your customer service and the quality of your parts and warranty.
Sorry about that OldIron Addiction, here is a look at the W204 buyers guide which had a much more in depth look at the M272 engine and its issues. th-cam.com/video/aCmf_urnKt0/w-d-xo.html
Love this conversation. I've got both an E500 and E55; gives me preventive maintenance ideas
Love your commitment to the E Series PaulieFein! Keep an eye out in the coming weeks for a similar video to this specifically for your M113K!
This was GREAT
Infinite Universe, really glad you thought the video was great. Appreciate the support!
Very Best w211 information. You guys vids are amazing. Elaborate on the Audi comment. Are you saying they are better than Mercs? Interesting tell me more Sir
Recently imported a JPN model 2004 Mercedes E240 RWD Auto W211 Wagon. Has the M112 Engine 2.6L V6. Love any helpful videos on them!
That sounds rad Billy! We will see what we can do to help
@@fcpeuro I recently got a 2004 w211 e240 Elegance with 75450 miles.
Any issues I should be aware of?
This man pointed out practically every seal on this engine talkin bout prone to leaking oil lmfao
Which 15 to 20 year old engines have no oil leaks ?
@@Leonardo555ZZZ the k20a2 in my 2003 RSX Type S doesn't leak a drop. 151k miles. meanwhile I've replaced every seal on my E39 530i. German cars are particularly bad about oil leaks.
@@Leonardo555ZZZ 2002 ml320 ,none,zero, nicht,nada ✌👍
@@holeephuk Either the car has low miles or you have already replaced the vc gaskets and re sealed the breather covers , which deteriorate with use and need to be replaced..
@@Leonardo555ZZZ just past 60k miles ,who ever had it really looked after it ,I LL drive it normally and service it regularly..
You can use an East Cost Euro motor mount. Its the best mount ever made for your Mercedes. Hands down
Thanks for the video, did not know about the crank pulleys being a problem on 112 and 113 motors..
You're welcome! Thanks for watching, Tony.
Tony Chavez they are always, always bad. You get a Merc with a 112/113, it’s going to be crank pulley, valve cover gaskets, motor mounts. Every time.
Junkyard Dave yes I have done motor mounts and valve cover gaskets on every 211 and 203 with M112 motor, hell even my E55 needed gaskets at only 70k miles..
what about the diesel OM648? will you do a video for that?
You guys ROCK
no Ryan... YOU rock!
Damn great video
What’s the part number for the two rubber seals behind the water pump mentioned in the video for the M113 engine?
amazing video i saw oi in my engine bay
Life saver dude i swear #w211 the brake pump warranty thing cause i have one.
I’m about to purchase a 2006 E350 any advice on what to look after. And is it advisable
Good work
Thank you! Cheers!
I always watch the videos but I have different question so I start having notifications about blind spot it’s not working on e550 2010 w212 were I should look?
Good video , all very true ,,But I would not call the M113 things ,,''faults'' ..you cannot expect rubber parts to last forever.
Replacing some valve cover gaskets when they leak after 15 years or 100,000 miles is normal maintenance.
The others can often last much longer without any problem , but I would recommend replacing the crank position sensor which also wears out with time.
So, the left crankchain housing vibrates a bit. The sounds rough and not smooth.
You'd suggest that I check the pully first before I open the chain housings?
Please do a video like this for the w212 E350!! Thank you
We plan to eventually do one for every W2___ possible!
My m272 engine is starting to have some hydraulic lifter noises. Can you tell us more about it?
Hi there I have tapping noise when stationery on Mercedes E400 2013 V6 twin turbo.
Do you have any suggestions from experience and what I should be looking out for please?
Love the video and looking forward to the trans video that's coming soon. All the links listed in the description above give a 404 error code. They all appear incomplete. I would love to read up on these posts. Can you repost them?
Sorry Vincent family unsure why youtube cut all the links short and sent you to a 404! We updated the links in the description, appreciate the heads up and sorry for the inconvenience! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Good video super
Thanks for the information. So happy I got out of the Benz’s.
You'll be back for more.
"Thanks for giving me Benz specific tips in this video even though I no longer own one"
Hi bud like the videos my 2008 w211 has thrown up a p0020 code changed oil and filter engine flush changed the vvt solenoids and is still idling bad intermittently and sounding like a bag of spanner’s intermittently where is the oil control valve located exactly because nobody knows
Sounds good with the AMG and Mayback Engine Mount, what are the OEM PART No.?
I purchased a voltage regular from your company. After replacing it do I need to do something to tell the car out is changed. The red light did not go out.
Sweet channel
Thanks Ronald
IS THE WARRANTY ONLY FOR THAT CAR WITH SBC OR OTHERS LIKE ABS ?
Ty
Thank you for the video, I am struggling with my car engine 6429, W211 2009 E320 CDI V6. I have to drive it slowly and smoothly, otherwise it sort of like halts and jumps intermittently especially after take off at gear 2 and 3 and at high speeds if I accelerate maybe to overtake. The diagnostic test pointed to the Turbo Actuator, which we then replaced but it got worse after that, and now it doesn't even throw any codes, the test comes out clean. Sometimes it does this halting and skipping when it's time to change to the next gear. And sometimes when coming to a stop you feel as though it cuts off power abruptly as if you hit the brakes hard. Just for more info, there is been an oil leak by that Mass Airflow Meter and Turbo. At higher speeds it is better - but if you get to an incline - you can feel an up and down rhythm - pull - brake, pull - brake as if it want to stop then go, stop then go - feels like the car is dancing. What could this be, turbo, airflow sensor, actuator maybe or something else.
The car has just been serviced with genuine Merc parts - Engine, Gearbox and new engine mountings - This issue was already there before the service, mileage is 165500km.
Hello, were you ever able to fix this? My car has the EXACT same symptoms. Thanks!
@@ronmoret7420 Hey Ron, I didn't come right, however further diagnostics revealed that the Exhaust Back Pressure Sensor overheated and was malfunctioning. This is for the EGR. If it is unplugged the car runs smoothly though it is sometimes slow to pick up when needed.
The new sensor also does the same, I even replaced the EGR Valve to no avail. Just haven't had time to check it again, I am driving it as is, with the sensor unplugged, "Engine light ON". :(
Hi, I have a bit of a problem ⚠️ with my 2006 C 230 W203 engine. It started smoking 💨 after a recent oil change (Mobil 1 SW-40) oil grade as previously used by the first owner. And I also noticed the oil level had gone way ↕️ below half measuring from the dipstick. In the morning I see smoke 💨 coming out from the exhaust pipe and sometimes The engine starts to jerk and the check engine 🔆starts to flash for a few seconds and stops. Kindly advise what to do and what could be the likely remedy.
How do I determine if my 2006 e350 V6 3.5 is the facelift model?
The SBC unit worth about 3600 to get new one , but Australia only gets the ten year warranty on these units but you may get lucky with a rebuild unit from the UK
hi i have question w211 e550 or e55 amg who is durable and best engine i am interested which you choose? e550 or e55 amg
for the m273 what do you think the problem may be. At idle it runs rough and it shakes the engine over, also when it starts it cranks for a while. someone help please
my m272 is throwing p0016/017/018/019/391 codes. does it cost much to fix?
Does anyone know if the MB replacement agreement on the W211 SBC unit, mentioned applying for a 25 year period by this great channel, also is available in Australia? The large US market seems to be able to force MB to agree to things like funding M272 E350 engine balance shaft cog faults in the USA, while leaving smaller markets like Australia's for users to foot all bills relating to these problems. That said, my W211 350 w SBC brake by wire I find an advanced and enjoyable system--even though at a lowish 105,000 km my mechanic recently commented the SBC pump perhaps sounds a bit louder than he remembers when working on the cars when new. All advice super appreciated! Thank you...
No , not covered..as you say..
so im having some trouble for the second time, with the m272 engine, already did a replacement , now i think ill be down that rode again
Can i put 500 engine in e350 7g, 2006years if it is possible please tell me what i need. Thanks❤
Would it possible making a video like this but with w202 basic model , kompressor, AMG etc?
We haven't received many requests for the 202 yet however I'd be lying if I said I wasn't on Craigslist shopping for one yesterday.
What about OM648 , inline strait 6 diesel.
Good like
I nearly spit out my water when you said 25 year warranty extension. Wow!
Yeah!
Hello, I own a 2007 e350. Can you please with me with the firing order. Thank you in advance
I have a 2012 MB S550 and am having hesitation issues specially when going up a hill. Do you have any idea what may be causing this?
Hi Gary, unfortunately, you will need to diagnose correctly to see where the issue may be. Starting with a scan of the vehicle first is always a good avenue to see if any codes are present.
What interval do you recommend replacing the drive belt and the 2 idler pulleys?
As soon as the upper pulley starts chirping/squeaking, replace it ASAP. do not wait as it will fail when you least expect it and turn a 20min job into a 4hr job
Timeless design
Absolutely!
You should cover the BlueTEC OM642! That would be so helpful
When the pulley starts to wobble
You’ve got that right. My bluetec is a mess.
@@mattwatts6685 what issues have you had with yours mine is a c350cdi 2012 265 bhp and had oil cooler leaks abs sensors suspension level sensors and a broken spring all between buying the car at 57th miles now on 75th
Everything, NOx sensors, def pump, oil cooler leaks, AC compressor, DPF sensor, etc
Hi we got a e200 kompressor 2007 model I think. When its in park the engine is quiet. But then its put into drive it starts too shake. Gearbox?
A good starting point would be to check and inspect all of your mounts, and go from there!
When you talk about the leaks and failures, you should mention approximate mileage when they happen. If these leaks are happening at 30-50k miles it would be nice to know.
I have a problem with my w211 272 engine I have a check engine light on hook my car up to diagnostic machine it said cylinder 4 not working I change the plug also the coil for that cylinder but the check engine light keep on coming back every other week do anyone have this problem
It good if you make english subtitle in future videos
I like how the diesels are forgotten
Great video! All the more reason ill drive my e55 forever
yo lets gooooooo I have a few issues with my m156 please address rough idle
24k Media yess please mine has the same problem
Check the crankcase breather at the back of the manifold, additionally remove the manifold and check for corrosion at the center plate
Is that the dapper drift car?
You did not mention the w211 earlier 2002...?
the M271 4cyl engine has also issues. is there any mercedes engine from 2002 to 2009 *without* faults? 🙄 (diesel included). this was the DaimlerChrysler era, btw. - Greetings from Switzerland!
I suppose you could argue that most engines have their own faults! Thanks for watching, Rimax82!
Can you do the W212 next?
mmaaaayyybbbeee ....... 😬
What about om648?
dumb question but what are the main differences between the m113 (w210) and the w211 model m113 and m113k other than the sc
Not actually that dumb of a question, There's a lot more changes than just a supercharger on top of an engine. AMGMeister has a great video th-cam.com/video/Gb32BwQMbho/w-d-xo.html that talks about some of the changes between all the M113 engines.
Minor differences, starting with the 210 the only mainstream displacements were 4.3/5.4 vs 211 5.0/5.4. Different ME's, airboxes, I believe 210's had clutched fans and 211s were electric only. NA vs SC, you'll see different displacements, differences in the bottom rotating assembly, a split sump with 2 drains, different belt drive etc.
the biggest difference is compression. m113 has a compression of 11 m113k has a compression of 8. You wouldn’t benefit by puting m113k charger on m113 unless you shave the heads etc, so you need an after market charger. On top of that the ecu of the m113 isn’t designed to go into boost unless you use a piggy back ecu to recirculate that data.
Looking forward to the M113k. I'm getting a weird vibration at low speed, goes away over 35mph... Almost like driveline vibration.
Hopefully you cover that.
Bro engine mounts theres 2 of em look it up
@@WatchoutNSG I though mount are bad if the engine has excessive movement when you hold down brake and press accelerator pedal..
I'll has to take a closer look.....
Could be transmission mount or the driveshaft bearing in the middle
I'll have some troubleshooting to do this weekend. Thank for your input.
Hello Everyone, İ had Issue on My benz E 240 2004 Elegance, The Problem is When u start the Car Cooling fan running very High Speed, (Even Car cold And Ac Off) Any Help Pls
That sounds like it could be an issue with a coolant temp sensor, wiring, relay, or the fan itself.
I have a 2006 E55 AMG and my mechanic quoted me almost $800 to replace the air injection valve, which the car tripped a code for about a month ago. Car has 116,000 miles but is mechanically sound and smooth running. Does this issue sound familiar or am I getting scammed? 😂