CQB Technique: Former JTF2 Shows Long Gun Retention Technique
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A quick and violent way to approach long gun retention in various scenarios, not entirely limited to CQB. Not over-complicated, be gentle to your training partners hands, please :)
"If I have a helmet on... I'll headbutt that motherfucker". - quote from a highspeed guy, I used to roll with, regarding grappling in combat.
Sounds like he was american if he was needing a helmet to headbutt someone
You don't need a helmet.. You're aiming for the nose.
@@seanstrickland4970yeah but a helmet takes away any hesitation you might have…
Was thinking that as soon as he turned to look at him helmet to face he’s letting go of that rifle 😜
“First one we are going to talk Aboooooot.”
This JTF guy learned these skills over decades of training and fighting for his, and his teammates lives.
He was kind enough to share his knowledge with us, so that we may learn it while sitting on a toilet.
I’m humbled and grateful.
Thank you.
I'll have you know I'm eating Cheetos at my desk. I have enough respect to this operator not to watch it on a toilet.
@@mattwong7191
Quorn pieces and cashew nuts fried in spice infused coconut oil.
People need to learn to cook more, food hits differently when you can tweak all the ingredients for yourself.
As am I
this guys doing tricks on it
No, he made these cool moves up in his comfy office while larping. He tells you to put it on safe before taking back control of the rifle.. In a real situation he would be kicked in the balls and sacked
Served 4 tours in Afghanistan and we were taught to release and let them have the gun because its not going anywhere it’s attached to you by a 2pt sling. Then pull your secondary or knife and create space they will surely drop your primary in a hurry. This technique he is showing would be incredible in a situation were you are not running a sling on your weapon and 100% needs to be taught to everyone! Great upload. Thank you
Iraq veteran here, we were taught the same thing. Either you get him with your secondary or your battle-buddy gets him.
I think most of us were taught that. My guess is SOP's change depending on your OE and the unique ROE's they all come with. I know some departments are okay with contact shooting, but out right ban edge weapons of any type. So seeing different TTP's like this makes sense.
ROEs don't effect how soldiers will handle a gun grab beyond in so far as what combative techniques they are authorized to use in the case of a gun grab. Thats a lethal threat and at that point, the latitude that you have to handle the threat is mainly based on your skill level
I see the logic for the 🇨🇦 JTF2 guy's points for a raid, hostage rescue or extreme CQB situation. To put the weapon on safe is ✔️.
Nice, thanks for sharing
the only problem is that nearly every time we did that in the Marines a Marine would grab the underside by muzzle, other hand on rear and driving muzzle up with great force. Nobody grabs anything both hands down
I can see someone doing it like this. People give Marines shit all the time for being dumb but reality is that you don't have to be smart to train muscle memory. Sounds like the Marine in question was drilled to do it over and under to use the gun as a lever and just instinctively did it that way. Lot's of people with out proper training do things the stupid way more often than not.
@@Yukimaru0 Spoken like a person who's never seen combat. You go ahead and do it his way and someone will be there to see you breathing your last breath. This is whats wrong with internet. People with NO COMBAT experience giving lessons on weapons retention. It looks good but in reality. That operator would have the fight of his life on and would most likely lose his weapon. It's body mechanics and leverage and this guy has has not demo'd. Notice how they NEVER DO IT FULL SPEED WITH FORCE? .. ya.. cuz he would lose his weapon. We do this in the Marine infantry units especially after Iraq. This is all hollywood BS
@@shoktroop I like the technique of pulling the buttstock into the armpit, but yeah in real life there is no way it would be this clean. 9 times out of ten when people fight it turns into a scrambled mess.
@@shoktroop Yeah I believe you because if the video was true then the bro with the long hair would actually go crazy on the guy. In real life when lives are on the line people would do all kinds of dirty moves including headbutting, kicking crotch, finger the eyes, and remove balance.
@@shoktroopyeah that's why people need to learn from legit combatives instructors with experience the US military gained a lot of Cqb and urban warfare experience from iraq so this they have a lot of legit techniques you can find SOF guys using but you're right about the reality of it which is why no good operators would ever risk getting that close to the enemy without them neutralized or completely surrendered on the floor multiple guns trained on them incase they try something
I'm honestly interested in where this came from. Since it's a JTF guy teaching, I assume that it's based on real-world experience, which leads me to wonder where that experience was gained and against whom it was gained.
It would just never occur to me to grab someone's rifle "like this".
It seems intuitive as a grappler who learned firearms later. Get close control, hit to make space, reload. It's realistic since in reality the rifle beats the fist
I'll bet there's a lot of OpFor training that these guys do with each other, over the course of a few weeks and in teams. Lots of reviewing the tape and making new strategies to defend, and inventing new strategies by the OpFor teams.
Allied special forces routinely train together to share experiences and skills
Do you really want to know where he got his experience from? I feel that's one of those "I can tell you, but I'd have to kill you" things lol
@@crackyflipsideon top of that they operated in Afghanistan most likely they are still doing counter terror operations globally you just don't hear about it as the Canadian government keeps hush hush when it comes to cansofcom
Very important to run that systems check after the altercation as he mentioned! Great video. ⚡️
As a grappler, I find bringing in weapons so fascinating. Great stuff 🤙🏻
We often forget grappling in the modern context that our martial arts were invented for use with and against armed opponents, Jujitsu and Judo was originally intended for that purpose.
Bastion Black Performance is a small channel on youtube - has plenty of experience in iraq, wrestling coach, teaches armed combative.
If you have a background in wrestling or grappling then it will be much more applicable to you.
Obviously Tim Kennedy has top notch credentials with his own training organization.
Same. I’ve grappled a long time but just started gun grappling. There are similarities but it feels like a totally different game.
@@Patrick_Bateman____We train it regularly at our Dojo & Our Sensei (Kudan) is doing separate classes specifically for it ~ 🥋
@@-John-Doe-thanks for mentioning that. Just checked them out. Cool stuff
none of this shit would ever work
Woah. I've never seen JTF2 like this before. Mad respect to Canadian armed forces. Excellent reputation around the world. Merry Christmas neighbors! 🌲☃️🎁🇺🇸❤️🇨🇦
Never take ur hands off any points of contact from ur rifle ! This is a crazy thing todo especialy if ur rifle is slung meaning attached to ur body.. if u are grabed ,quickly jerk the rifle back while steping back this will bring attaker in line of ur barrel alowing u to lead um up or worse case draw secondary..
We learn similarly. US here. I'd say its since been modified. I've had better luck instead of weaving the arm...I utilize 2 different options that are fundamentally similar to this. Instead of breaking the weapon away with a forward push, and coming off of your weapon, swing the barrel over their forward hand. Even if they go for another grab, You have orientation to take shots with both hands still on. And this works on both angles you covered. You can even throw a kick in there for shits and giggles to create more space. The other option, I'm not as fond of because its circumstantial to matters likely unknown that I'll explain in a moment, but it has a similar concept...I always go for the first method for that "just in case" situation. So the secondary method is breaking the buttstock from under your arm and going on top of the aggressors forearm and breaking away. Reason I don't like this one, it commits to melee as you follow with the buttstock rather than the barrel and it also opens up your dominant side for attack. While the escape itself is through and through... There are obvious reasons to not primarily choose it said second option. But in the seldom events, its useful against aggressors you know for a 100% fact are unarmed who you don't wish to kill, who have minimal training if any at all, and that just rushed you in a desperate attempt. Or maybe youre in a confined space where collateral is high and you use the second method as a means to minimize casualties. Time and place right?
So I will adopt no less the 2 points of contact when re-securing my rifle unless my best option is to reach for my secondary and send rounds, or my knife to gain distance. There are rules to those 2 points of contact for leverage. If those 2 points are so close to each other that you lose leverage like having a buttstock under arm wield and a pistol grip wield... the front of your rifle is still under majority control of the aggressor. Do not give that up. I will deplete my other options first and work my angle before forfeiting a hand off my rifle to drop to my secondary in any matter... But you have to understand your angle and leverage. That's why we don't teach this method...A lot can already go wrong and even our method has its windows and flaws. But there are other techniques based on each outcome. But based on our knowledge, we've learned the method you speak of warrants greater risk, especially against anyone who has training and knows reaction timing and leverage. So the risk was rarely worth the reward on that method. So, moving on... If I am already trapping under my armpit. I can still reach my sidearm by pulling the rifle further back with my leading hand if that makes since. I'm not letting go with my hand that's closer to the barrel... I'm using that hand to to pull and keep pocketed under my arm as I move for the pistol with my shooting hand. If in the least I control the barrel, I control who lives. I can place rounds on the target without un-trapping the rifle from 12 inches away right? Right? Id hope so. Maybe this gives people insight as to why we run drop leg holsters. Its not just because other holsters get in the way with all of your kit which they do...Tactically, it is meant to help you. Its low enough to have the drop on someone in this situation, and its low enough if someone tries to take your pistol you'll be over top of them and its easier to secure from that angle and general point of leverage. Making sense yet? Anyway, breaking 2 points of contact should be incredibly rare with leverage of your 2 points of contact in mind. And instead of doing a functions check as soon as you gain control of your rifle... If you managed to break away without drawing your sidearm...which is possible. Get that distance and then transition to your sidearm immediately. Don't get caught jackin with your rifle. You're just gonna rinse and repeat till you're tired. If they jumped on you once already, Don't hold the door open for them know they have time to rush again. Go straight for your side arm and put the sites on them so you can follow up if you have to. You will not have time to get back in the fight loading another mag and rechambering... and sure enough not enough time to do a functions check. Use the tools you have to your advantage. That pistols primary purpose is literally for a scenario built like this. Train it. Use it. Or you may as well not carry one at all.
I aint readin allat but congratulations or im sorry that happened to you
Definitely would have preferred some more paragraph breaks in there, but I can mostly see where you're coming from.
@@ppeez Yeah you're safe here bro, I wont judge you for your lack of an attention span.
@@impishlyit9780 Apologies. I'm for sure guilty of lazy typing haha
@@jimmymurray1073 didnt ask lmao nt tho internet warrior
It become enlightining when someone learns the difference between CQB and urban fighting. There are many who confuse the two.
Simple, does't mean easy, and effective. Like the common sense approach. The butt stock tuck is genius.
Just a side note..You have a really cool helmet and the BG doesn’t. 2 /All of the attention is on the gun and the hands. Headbut as you are securing the rifle under your arm would be a nice touch lol. Harder to train nice tho.
When I was at a well known LE facility we were doing this kind of stuff and one of the instructors as I grabbed his long gun let me have it, drew his pistol and “shot”me before I could do much with the rifle 😅. That method wasn’t part of the “approved” methods we were learning that day but I always thought it was a pretty smooth move instead of fighting and getting sloppy all over the mats.
Helmet stops you from penetrating trauma. It does nothing to help you with soft tissue damage. If you headbutt the guy, you're very likely to do negative effects on yourself.
@@johngalt234 🙄
LARPing
You can simplify the movement by using his hands on the gun.
Use Judo. Use your feet against his. Push pull. It’s a simple throw if you can unsettle his balance.
Not everything has to be upper body strength centric.
so some idiot is going to sneak up and try grab someones loaded assault rifle?
If they are in a warzone or protecting children, yeah, they would. You don't know how desperate people can become if you corner them in a psychopathic way.
This seems like such an incredibly unlikely situation unless I'm fighting Solid Snake.
Great stuff! thanks for sharing!
Would love to see the live run of your techniques!
Infantrymen having to grapple in life or death combat while retaining a rifle and weighed down in full battle rattle is what UFC fans don't understand.
Sean Strickland disrespects military infantrymen and SOF commandos , challenging them to fight him under MMA sport rules, should dress out in full military battle rattle, grab a rubber duck rifle, then run through full contact SOC-P training w/fully resisting OpFor. . .better yet, let him join the Infantry, embrace the suck, then deploy downrange.
I saw him crying like a woman on a podcast over his childhood broken home (which tons of veterans suffered worse childhood abuse but don't cry about it on podcasts before disrespecting David Goggins and other 'real' warriors who've gone in harms way, faced death as a profession, suffered more trauma than Strickland could imagine, so there wouldn't need be a draft to send the unwilling to make that sacrifice).
Noone loses limbs or life in MMA. Noone holds their best friend in their arms as he bleeds out in MMA. No one's face & body is melted in MMA.
Noone has to shoot a child strapped w/a suicide bomb vest to protect others in MMA, then live w/that on their conscience.
Nothing I enjoy more than SF knowledge I'll never use...I hope
That is a great skill and principal to learn. Excellent demonstration!
Except no one grabs a gun like that😮
Exactly what I was thinking
So you can predict exactly how someone will react when a bunch of JTF2 dudes kick their doors down in the middle of Syria or Iraq?
Nobody does exactly what you think they'll do in CQB. Hell, there's an instance of an Iraqi insurgent getting handsy with a Marine during a breach, in which the Marine pulled out a Tomahawk and axed him to death lol
@@DJ-fd4qk no sir I mean grabbing a gun that way will get you killed. The man with the gun will have a serious advantage if you do its common knowledge with anyone that does any sort of real combat so I murder thought these guys teaching this must shoot from far away because anyone that does combat would have grabbed the gun in a way that it couldn't be used like grabbing the action so it can't be fired along with tipping the barrel up and away from self palm up right hand palm down left hand taking the gun away or fired into the one holding the rifle. Also you made that up.
@@ericjohnson8586 aLsO yOu MaDe ThAt Up literally ask any GWOT Recon Marine about it. They even referenced the incident on the History Channel and Military channels years ago.
You're literally a clown and type with the grammar of a middleschooler lol. I highly doubt you know better than a former Tier-1 operator who's done more hits on targets than any individual in this comment section, nonetheless someone like you who's probably never gone to any selection LOL
"were gonna talk ABOOT"❣
lmao i was looking for this comment
This is where bayonet training comes into play.
Correct
fuckin 4 seconds into the video and he says aboot, got damnit.
This is a way of doing it, I had to use my knee on my left after I put the rifle up in the air knee the dude in the nuts, step back and well you know the rest, this is good training but remember there is always more than one way to make a grilled cheese.
Seems like it would only work against incompetent amateurs.
I need to see credibility.
So have professionals attacking you with no restraint AND show your technique in REAL TIME at full force with blank rounds or it’s not credible.
I need to see slow motion cameras. Real time speed footage. Make the attackers and instructor both sign wavers too.
I hate fakes and I hate scams. Some people have titles and certifications but they are still BS A$$.
Nobody has time for scams. Credibility is king and this is how you do it.
That's ok in slow motion but at full speed and some grabbing it with strength anything could happen, and if there's two or more then...........
I really thought it would be Travis Haley attacking for a moment...
Canadians muzzle thumping be like "sorry ey, I'm so sorry I had to muzzle thump you ey, are you okay ay?
Great! Except you put the safety on the gun so aiming a gun short range after a wimpy momentary stun isn't going to be effective against a resisting target...
Bro if someone gets the jump on you from your 5 that's why you carry a combat knife. Give em the 1 2!!!
This is bullshit. This is not going to happen irl. You are getting punched and kicked
Why do you share this stuff? You are only training opposition in countries that dont currently have quality training. Your own countrys soldiers will get the training when they go through. So why train your enemy? You dont think they look for stuff like this and absorb every bit??
Man these guys are badass!
Rifle is slung to body. Couldn’t you just transition to your pistol easier and faster? I’ve never tested the strength of a sling or QD mounts. So maybe the transition is dangerous
damn these guys are so cool check out all their gear
The problem with this is assuming and assuming makes an ass out of me and you, and in this hypothetical it's a life and death situatuon. Cool guy points are zero if you die. But trainning like a real world counterpoint will fight back like a static oponiet and not like a person trying not to drowned will be the last mistake you make.
This is a delusional technique. I’ve taken classes where this issue was addressed and each class had great ideas about foot work, forcing the attacker into a position where they can’t move their arms, legs or head and using your armor and gear to smash the attacker. Notice how this attacker did not try at all to actually take the rifle, where in real life for someone to take such a risk, they’d have to be incredibly motivated.
Talk a boot
Yeah he Canadian
Clowns to the left from me
Jokers to the right
Here I am stuck in CQB with you
I like the grab and step forward from strongs side. It makes sense, from the weak side though it looks like you are going the get tangled up.
This reminds me of old handgun retention i saw where you would turn into your opponent while stepping back and pulling down, this will overextend your opponents balance making him easier to manipulate while putting him in front of the barrel.
In the instance with the handgun you would use your knee to peel both of their hands off of the gun and I could see this being used in this instance as well but as this is being trained for soldiers in combat zones I think it would make more sense to just pull the trigger after you got them in front of the barrel or to take a large turning step back while pulling the rifle down which would effectively drag them to the ground on their face leaving them on their belly in front of you.
I don't know shit though I'm just an unemployed bum lololol
What about using sidearm or a knife to create space?
What happens if he doesn’t go for the gun and cold clocks you in the jaw
🙄🙄🙄😂 hey, whatever gets you clicks I guess
What pants and shirt do you run? Great info.
Both are Crye Precision. Thank you for watching!
@@direct_action_combat thanks for the fast reply. I'm glad to see that you teach a system check. That is something I feel a lot of people often overlook.
Nope...release with sling retaining your rifle and present your secondary...pistol or knife...make space and get back to your rifle. Hollywood bs. RLTW
Капец, вы клоуны, ребят. Большего бреда я в жизни не слышал.
Did anybody else pick up on the Canadian accent aboot?
Question?
What if it's on a stairwell?
Lol there is no way you’re doing this for real…
Canadians don't fuck around eh!
The best long gun retention is a shorter gun
and I thought that I was talking too much
Это канадские гомосексуалисты? 😅 Слава России
1:56;3:03;
Redbeard Combatives and Craig Douglas both cover this topic extensively
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Some more bullshido.
no way. The moment I saw this video on my feed I clicked, watched 3 seconds and immediately subscribed to the channel. This is beyond awesome. So fascinating.
Everyone knows this only works because the JTF2 covers their rifles in maple syrup
Giving away tactics.
What helmet setup is that
Just be aware, usually when it goes hands on the attacker will have a force multiplier (knife, hammer, etc) at which point it’s best to release the weapon or use it as a bludgeon against his weak side. Get space and depending on how much distance you get from that dynamic action go to the knife or pistol to neautralize and trade up back to your primary.
Train for all SHTF possibilities
hahhaha😆
Stupid question here.... but does anyone know what pants and shirt the JTF2 guy is wearing? also is it ranger green?
good fantasy
that is a very specific movement to try to apply in a highly hectic situation.. proboably better off pulling your knife
zzz were taught to put the hand under the buttstock, and grab the rifle barrel, lift the stock and push down the barrel, it'll leave there hands, also, why disarm? there are better things you could use that surprise for.
Пажилое эскьюби...
Админ с днем рождения, не знал что ты теперь с пленными инструкторами контент записываешь, продолжай в том же духе!
interesting
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Sweet.
Subbed.
ok... magpul rear view mirror attachment incoming
It’s nice of him to let you take the time to tuck the buttstock under your arm before he tries to take it from you. How easy is this technique with a sling?
Nooooooo! I want to see a quick pokey-poke with a CSOR-Difensa.
Once again, quality information!!!
I like doing side disarmament under hand block opposite fore hand sweep...
Ван Дамм что-ли??? 😂😂😂
Ahhh … switch to pistol … then get rifle up
Good training
Idk how many of you guys can have the same company
Proud of our boys.. from Vancouver
ok i need to buy an long gun now in a country that's illegal
So how would this work if you dont have a forward vertical grip? Seems that is most of the pushing force
damn travis pastrana has had a major career change
Excellent !!! Thanks
nice
As a grappler, it's fascinating to see a concept like the lever used in this context. I'd be curious to see where this officer learned to use it.
He’s not police brotha , he’s a former jtf2 raider , pretty sure he was team leader , jtf2 is Canadas CAG ( delta force ) they are incredible. So makes him one of the top .1% operators in the world , the dudes a machine. I’m sure he’s got a lot that has been self taught .
@@Northsask333 I'm aware. That doesn't answer my question.
@@Northsask333lol ok what operations have they been on how much actual work do they see
@@RAPEDBYBLACKS Operation Assurance - Rwanda.
Yugoslav Wars. • NATO intervention in Bosnia. • Kosovo War.
1999 East Timorese crisis.
War on Terror.
• War in Afghanistan.
• Christian Peacemaker hostage crisis.
• Operation Impact.
2004 Haitian coup d'état.
Not to mention while in Afghanistan a jtf2 sniper team made the world record sniper kill at 3.5 km , someone just broke it again in Ukraine last week , but your question was what have they done , we’ll they served along side delta force now known “cag” the most elite team in the us sof , I don’t know what you wanna know but they arent allowed to even talk about deployments with family so most of that mission info isn’t ever going to be shared
Publicly. You’d be surprised how often they have been used lol domestically and internationally .
@@rhmotes I understand what you're asking. He's also former pro MMA fighter, and I'm pretty sure a BB in BJJ (thus the leverage aspect). From my understanding it wasn't unusual for the Unit to send or allow operators to train at different martial arts schools to receive instruction in that specific discipline. I recall another former Unit guy mention he was given the opportunity to train under Erik Paulson back in the day (great grappling coach). These guys come back and throw it in the mix, adapt to use, etc. Like in BJJ, I'm sure these techniques are always evolving based on real world experience. I do know a lot of operators are active in BJJ, Judo, Muay Thai (lots of great standing clinch work, throws, close quarters elbows, etc). SF and non SF hand-to-hand combat techniques have evolved a lot from the 60's to today, especially with integrated weapons systems. Oss.
Thank you so much for existing. I used to read on the news that my fellow Canadians were a bunch of laggards. After I went and saw who was working at the recruiting office and the cadets' training place I thought it was true, but DACP proved me wrong. I'm going to be getting back to practicing Krav Maga on a punching bag until my money is not so "tight" and I want to try and talk to DACP about training to be in the CAF. Good luck to you guys.
Just apply if you're curious about the CAF. Get your cardio up if you feel the need to , but the BMQ will do that [just easier if you have some condition of any kind ahead of time] and the rest is trained / taught. From there you get out of it what you put into it!
It's going to be a long time after you apply before you're able to be doing anything close to what this guy did.
99.9% of the CAF is nothing like this stuff. It's inspirational and educational for sure, but the CAF is extremely limited and underfunded. Only a select few every get this kind of training/experience.
@@tomkeehn I've practiced Krav Maga since I was a teenager. I'm 36 now. One time a drug addict who was trying to break into my house tried to stab me with a hunting knife and I stood my ground and made him back off and came out unscathed. do you work at the recruiting office in Winnipeg? because you sound just like them lol
@@mattgoulet446 good for you. I'm just telling you the truth, it takes months to get through recruiting then there's a two year mandatory wait to apply for CANSOF once you're sworn in.
I can tell he’s JTF2 from the way he says “about”
"Switching your weapon is always faster than reloading."
Look at the mag change at the systems check. Click click click. On with his business.
No more thought to that than his breathing. While he's talking it's already done. Boom.
The hours and hours these guys must put in to make it second nature.
Efficient
What's that thing in your holster doing?😊