Great to see a purely fact based and experience based video from a guy who has made and shot the gun / calibre. No unfounded negative criticism, no bullshit hype and marketing claims, just some informed information and a qualified opinion based on testing and data. Easy to see why this guy creates high quality products that just work. A lot of the content providers in this space should take note. 🍻👍
I much prefer the cartridge design of the fury, as a reloader all you need are the dies for brass, steel is a completely different set of requirements AND gives you very little true performance over the 277
This new cartridge might spark new fury for the fury. I think for mountain back country hunting the Fury might be a better choice as a short action. I think the fury might be able to be loaded in an all steel case in addition to all other cartridges at 80k psi.
So so being a steel case I'm guessing there's less expansion and stretching when it's being fired so there's less strain on the action and it's probably using pretty fast burning powder which won't erode the throat as bad as slow burning powders My question is pushing those long heavy bullets that fast what does it do to the rest of the barrel and have you noticed less smoke with longer barrels than 16 in.
Seekins indicated they were beefing up their new action to handle this cartridge and seemed to indicate more ammo companies were in development of similar things. What, if anything, are you doing with your actions to handle 80,000 psi and one reviewer had primers slightly pushed out the back. Does that indicate a need for bolt improvement also??
For insurance reasons guns are tested to much higher pressures than 80k so standard rifle should be able to handle it just fine. I know Seekins has made a slight change to their bolts to make sure there are no issues though. The primers pushed back is likely an issue with headspace.
@@shawnengstrom3906yeah proof rounds are used to test standard actions. But are not meant for long term usage. I don’t think just taking a 30-06 and giving it the steel case and 80,000 psi would work in a standard action for consumer use. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. So coming out with a new cartridge with unique dimensions keeps bubba from putting a +P+ steel case 270 in his standard action handed to him from pappy in 1974 and blowing himself up with an action not meant to handle long term usage with those pressures.
So glad to see people excited about the cartridge. There’s definitely the fuds who like to crap on anything they can. But overall i think most people are excited. Ill be getting a rifle
With advent of these high bc projectiles and the growth of suppressors I think this is an awesome new try at a 7mm cartridge. I own a 7mm REM Mag and a 28 Nosler and my particular rifle in 28 Nosler shows pressure signs and I can’t get the speeds others seem to get. So I’m definitely interested to see how this Backcountry goes.
I'm just glad I couldn't find a 6.8 western to buy. Because I might've been wondering if I made the right call when this one released. Don't get me wrong, I still want the 6.8 as well. But this seems like the one rifle to rule them all. I may still wait until the reloading dies are available. Just So I can tame it down just a little bit for the shorter ranges and smaller game but one of these rifles with a 18-20 inch barrel would probably do every job I would never need a good rifle to do.
I wouldn't be surprised if its using a magnum pistol powder. They build a handle that kind of pressures and a small case volume brings that thought to mind.
I think my biggest issues with this new Cartridge is that federal patented the Alloy for casings. This means it will almost be solely proprietary and it usually means the eventual fall of the cartridge. Honestly this doesn’t offer anything new or improved that others are offering sure shorter barrel faster and so on but why what’s needed of that. You can build a 7 PRC or 280 ai with a short barrel and just run that slower velocity. I love the innovation but I highly doubt it will be reloadable Rcbs already said it took 12 passes through a die to get one case sized so no thanks from me!
For people shitting on this so soon seems funny to me ,,first off we have done pretty much everything you can do to wildcat traditional casings ,,this is very innovatibe and i gaurentee alot of manufacturers will be doing this ,,, mountain hunting with a 20 inch or shorter barrel and still get performance in a lightweight package or a short package out of a deer blind ,,i think this will take off and be copied ,kudos to federal.
Exactly. The entire point of having a market is innovation. The people most resistant to progress are those that invested too heavily in contemporary designs rather than thinking for the future. Pressure has looooong been a limiting factor in ammunition development and this helps to push the frontier
Federal has statements on their website and these guns were extensively used with suppressors. It creates no more pressure at the muzzle than a standard magnum caliber.
@@brandonhovda4290 from Federal's FAQ page when asked "Is it specifically designed for supressors..."No, 7mm Backcountry produces best-in-class velocities and trajectories through both suppressed and unsuppressed rifles. However, to take full advantage of the cartridge and all it offers, it’s ideal to shoot it through a 20-inch suppressed barrel." When asked for recommendations on suppressors "Federal is a proud partner of Silencer Central, and the company offers a variety of excellent suppressor choices for 7mm Backcountry. However, consult other suppressor manufacturers to confirm compatibility." It has also been stated it produces no more pressure at the muzzle than a standard magnum. The wording of "consult the manufacturer" is basic language as an ammo company can not guarantee build quality of individual suppressors. Federal and others have mentioned it being tested on the range and in the field with suppressors including all marketing videos from Federal themselves.
Probably not since it's so optimized for short barrels it Probably gets complete powder burn in 22" but even if you can get 3400 out of 26" a 7mm rum is still faster in a 24"
@tatsuhirosatou5513 i have a 7 RUM and its epic. 145 cutting edge laser at 3680. But its overkill for nearly anything at that velocity. Ive had a 7mm blank on my bench for 3 years, and with a standard long action receiver, so Im going to build a 28" and do velocity testing. I can always take it down. Ive hunted with long barrel guns for over a decade. They have their tradeoffs, but i am very comfortable with them.
@jtrguitar6294 my preference is long barrel, my current elk rifle is a 27" 338 laupua. I just have no faith in 7 back country in a long barrel since from fedrals own info on thier website they are saying it tops out at a 20" for max velocity so under the right conditions you might find a load that can get a few extra fps out of a 22" but anything past that is just gunna slow is down
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 that is not how ot works at all. Why dont you look at specs before commenting. The specs with the 7BC are posted on Federal's site with 20" and 24" barrels. 24" are running about 150fps faster than 20" which is about normal. 7BC, while only slightly, is running 175gr faster than the 7rum with less powder meaning in general lower recoil.
Thanks for the info! I'm planning on getting back into hunting this year and I'm definitely keeping an eye on this cartridge as well as Horizon. Are you guys planning on doing anything with a folding stock? So you have any opinions of folding stocks in general?
Dumb question, but Is there anything different required of the action, barrel construction, bolt head, lugs or work needed to chamber this round compared to traditional rifles? Would traditional modern rifles be capable of handling these high pressures if the cases were made from the PEAK alloy?
I thought some manufactures were having to change action and bolt designs in order to handle the 80,000 psi. Are you positive just doing a barrel swap on an older action is safe?
it sounds like a phenomenal long range gun. Apples to apples with same barrel length it beats the 7 RM and 7PRC by a fair margin. I want a 24" barrel and the 7 BC will be on my short list. . . . . . . so short its the only one on it. :)
@@landenrobbins9936 sure, at 24"-26" barrels burning a ton of powder and kicking like a mule. In a shorter barrel it sounds like the 7 BC will pull away from the 28 as the 28's large volume slow burning powder won't all burn in the barrel taking the performance with it.
@@shawnengstrom3906 also the recoil is going to be very similar between the two calibers because physics a 190 going 3000 is going to exert the same amount of force backwards in any rifle chambering regardless of powder charge, also why you do think that federal explicitly said “felt recoil” and “perceived recoil” in their release video and not just recoil force, because the rifle system is what reduces the recoil of any cartridge, muzzle brake, suppressor, heavier rifle etc
If this turns out to answer all the questions and you can somewhat reload, does this put Winchester and Browning on alert with the 6.8 western. Not because of alloy vs. brass, but because now you get a 7mm, that performs significantly better.
Its an advancment in case technology and metallurgy. Yeah some will claim its junk and the technology is snake oil. Other's will claim it's the newest iteration of the Holy Grail of cartridges and firearms for the next 100 years. One thing is for sure. Its somewhere between these. Technology will continue to advance the industry. Possibly one day soon more cartridges will become available in other calibers. Unless enough intrest us drawn to 7mmBC, the mfgs arent going to have the funding or interest in moving forward to a 30 cal or a 6.5mm ECT ECT
I currently hunt with a 16.5 inch 308 and a 7mm 24 inch when the distances can be further. I was about to purchase a 300wm with a 20 inch or possibly build one with an 18 inch barrel to hunt suppressed in a box stand. I am supper excited for this round and hope it catches on. Thanks for the info you have gathered so far
First, it’s not a new “caliber “. It’s a new “cartridge”. I love the 7mm’s. I love the original 7mm rem mag, I think they shoot the 160ish gr bullets. I jumped on the nosler train with the 28 nosler to be able to launch the 195s around 3100ish out of a 26” barrel. I have this nosler hunting rifle and it is a hammer. Then it was the 7mm PRC but for a different reason, it’s faster twist rate and ability to push the 175s. Above 2850ish with a 20”-22” barrel that is suppressed. A light, short barreled suppressed 7mm high BC bullet. This 7mm is a waste to me. Just more of the same
Saying about the trop i have a 30-06 with a 18inch barral an its getting 2850fs an at 500 yards its tropping 44 inchs...but it's a spicy load for it...
6 years development and no real means to reload ? Dies aren't available yet and my understanding the vendors are having issues making them. Youale rifles and can get the weight of the powder ? SMH
So electrolysis welded the bullet to the cartridge case to the point that it could not be pulled without destroying the bullet….grampa’s 7mm mag is obsolete…spend another $8K for gun and glass.
A few issues with this one. Without industry support this cartridge will die faster than a fruit fly. The idea of leaving 200 to 300fps on the table simply to get a short barrel is just insane. Thats like buying any magnum and loading it to a short action performance. If you are in places thick enough to need a short barrel you won't be shooting at distances that need all that velocity. If you hunt somewhere open enough why restrict yourself with a short barrel?
You don't hunt with a suppressed rifle on a back pack do you. My 22" creedmoor with an 6" suppressor kind sucks packing through sub alpine stuff or even having to slink through standard more open pines. give me an over all length of 22" with suppressor with 24" unsuppressed velocities...sounds good to me.
@wcb5890 I would rather have the performance. I can't buy a cartridge fully knowing I'm leaving 100s of fps on the table. Using the 20in 3000fps for the 7bc and 170gr pills that is only 150fps over a 162gr 22in 7mm08. Going any shorter will bring the two closer so what are you really getting? Like every other high pressure larger capacity cartridge it needs barrel length to set itself apart.
Saying a 7mm-08 is within 150 fps with a 162 grain bullet in a hunting rifle is not realistic. Your velocity number would be 2850 fps which correlates to a 140 grain bullet not a 162. If you're getting 2850 fps with a 162 grain bullet then you're most likely over SAAMI pressure. A realistic value is 2630 fps which would be almost 400 fps. This is my knowledge and experience after 30 years of reloading for the 7mm-08 and trying to push the extremes to get the highest safe velocity possible with the 160 class bullets.
You mean a company wants to make a profit every year and not go in the red? I mean I’m sure you work for a business/company that wants to be profitable. What a stupid comment. This round is getting 3000 fps in a 20” barrel with a heavy for caliber bullet. None of your rifles can meet all that criteria.
How much do you know about economics. The price of materials and acquiring those materials play a huge role. You also have supply and demand, and when demand is higher the prices go up. This is not the manufacturers fault but the consumers. It's not even the consumers' fault. It's just economics.
Nice technology, but unfortunately its all proprietary... EVERYTHING proprietary is either not very popular or a complete failure... now make the technology open source and let anyone who wants to load make ammo (so it's less than $3.50 a round!) and i won't be so negative. Im gonna bet that simply changing the material of the cartridge wouldn't be safe in an older gun, so no it wont help older cartridges or rifles chambered for them. Also make a magnum so i can see some REAL performance, if i see a .375 400 grain screaming at 3,500 fps or better then ill be impressed. Also you just wait till there's one and i mean one company that makes a bad rifle or a bad round... Maybe bubba actually is stupid enough to rechamber his old junker for this cartridge and there's a failure, it will absolutely grenade and unalive people in the area very efficiently. That will single handedly end the entire story. My thoughts are the rifles and ammo will be a collector's item in ten years.
@ do you think that this is the first steel case that’s ever been made you can’t even reload it and if you are able to later on it’s going to be expensive to do so
@@CharlieHays-ii1gy Weak (1) you state that it will not be able to be reloaded despite their assertion that it will be reloadable, (2) you admit that it will eventually be reloadable but complain about the cost without having any idea what the cost will be.
It may be "technology" but steel cases are not new technology, in fact its very old tech so call a spade a spade or in your case you probbaly call a spade a queen or something simce you dont know the difference between a cartridge and a caliber .
Great to see a purely fact based and experience based video from a guy who has made and shot the gun / calibre. No unfounded negative criticism, no bullshit hype and marketing claims, just some informed information and a qualified opinion based on testing and data. Easy to see why this guy creates high quality products that just work.
A lot of the content providers in this space should take note. 🍻👍
They aren’t fact based lol they are making rifles chambered in 7 BackCountry so they want the cartridge to succeed 😂
As somebody that doesn't reload and was looking at picking up a 7mm... This fits the bill. Looking forward to seeing what else they have cooked up
That pistol looks AWESOME
You guys should make rifles in 277 fury as well since y’all are already in the high pressure arena
The Fury cases use a different technology which is probably patented.
I much prefer the cartridge design of the fury, as a reloader all you need are the dies for brass, steel is a completely different set of requirements AND gives you very little true performance over the 277
This new cartridge might spark new fury for the fury. I think for mountain back country hunting the Fury might be a better choice as a short action. I think the fury might be able to be loaded in an all steel case in addition to all other cartridges at 80k psi.
@@texpatriot8462yes but the gun is the same
@wesleyturner1979 why go all steel the hybrid case is actually fully reloadable with normal equipment and still gets 80k psi
I know the bc sweet spot is 264 and 284
calibers, but what would a 308 caliber do at 80,000 psi?
So so being a steel case I'm guessing there's less expansion and stretching when it's being fired so there's less strain on the action and it's probably using pretty fast burning powder which won't erode the throat as bad as slow burning powders My question is pushing those long heavy bullets that fast what does it do to the rest of the barrel and have you noticed less smoke with longer barrels than 16 in.
Seekins indicated they were beefing up their new action to handle this cartridge and seemed to indicate more ammo companies were in development of similar things. What, if anything, are you doing with your actions to handle 80,000 psi and one reviewer had primers slightly pushed out the back. Does that indicate a need for bolt improvement also??
For insurance reasons guns are tested to much higher pressures than 80k so standard rifle should be able to handle it just fine. I know Seekins has made a slight change to their bolts to make sure there are no issues though. The primers pushed back is likely an issue with headspace.
@@shawnengstrom3906yeah proof rounds are used to test standard actions. But are not meant for long term usage. I don’t think just taking a 30-06 and giving it the steel case and 80,000 psi would work in a standard action for consumer use. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. So coming out with a new cartridge with unique dimensions keeps bubba from putting a +P+ steel case 270 in his standard action handed to him from pappy in 1974 and blowing himself up with an action not meant to handle long term usage with those pressures.
@@jeffwilliams3436 I would agree, but it is speculation as we don't know.
@@shawnengstrom3906no we do know. Seekins beefed up their action to handle the higher pressures of the new round.
@ and Horizon eluded to a normal action, but I’m not sure I would want it that way
So glad to see people excited about the cartridge. There’s definitely the fuds who like to crap on anything they can. But overall i think most people are excited. Ill be getting a rifle
People said the automobile was a fad lol
Some guys with 7 PRC's are triggered that their round just might be obsolete now.
@ it won’t be obsolete because when someone offers a high pressure 7 PRC it will better
With advent of these high bc projectiles and the growth of suppressors I think this is an awesome new try at a 7mm cartridge. I own a 7mm REM Mag and a 28 Nosler and my particular rifle in 28 Nosler shows pressure signs and I can’t get the speeds others seem to get. So I’m definitely interested to see how this Backcountry goes.
I'm just glad I couldn't find a 6.8 western to buy. Because I might've been wondering if I made the right call when this one released. Don't get me wrong, I still want the 6.8 as well. But this seems like the one rifle to rule them all. I may still wait until the reloading dies are available. Just So I can tame it down just a little bit for the shorter ranges and smaller game but one of these rifles with a 18-20 inch barrel would probably do every job I would never need a good rifle to do.
I wouldn't be surprised if its using a magnum pistol powder. They build a handle that kind of pressures and a small case volume brings that thought to mind.
I would like a 7bc with.22 inch 175. 3100
Fierce Firearms has 22” option
I think my biggest issues with this new Cartridge is that federal patented the Alloy for casings. This means it will almost be solely proprietary and it usually means the eventual fall of the cartridge. Honestly this doesn’t offer anything new or improved that others are offering sure shorter barrel faster and so on but why what’s needed of that. You can build a 7 PRC or 280 ai with a short barrel and just run that slower velocity. I love the innovation but I highly doubt it will be reloadable Rcbs already said it took 12 passes through a die to get one case sized so no thanks from me!
For people shitting on this so soon seems funny to me ,,first off we have done pretty much everything you can do to wildcat traditional casings ,,this is very innovatibe and i gaurentee alot of manufacturers will be doing this ,,, mountain hunting with a 20 inch or shorter barrel and still get performance in a lightweight package or a short package out of a deer blind ,,i think this will take off and be copied ,kudos to federal.
Exactly. The entire point of having a market is innovation. The people most resistant to progress are those that invested too heavily in contemporary designs rather than thinking for the future. Pressure has looooong been a limiting factor in ammunition development and this helps to push the frontier
How do the suppressors handle the extra pressure? More barrel length restrictions to handle it?
Federal has statements on their website and these guns were extensively used with suppressors. It creates no more pressure at the muzzle than a standard magnum caliber.
@wcb5890 Federal says to consult the suppressor manufacturer. In the videos I've watched, i don't remember any being shot with a suppressor on.
@@brandonhovda4290 from Federal's FAQ page when asked "Is it specifically designed for supressors..."No, 7mm Backcountry produces best-in-class velocities and trajectories through both suppressed and unsuppressed rifles. However, to take full advantage of the cartridge and all it offers, it’s ideal to shoot it through a 20-inch suppressed barrel."
When asked for recommendations on suppressors "Federal is a proud partner of Silencer Central, and the company offers a variety of excellent suppressor choices for 7mm Backcountry. However, consult other suppressor manufacturers to confirm compatibility."
It has also been stated it produces no more pressure at the muzzle than a standard magnum. The wording of "consult the manufacturer" is basic language as an ammo company can not guarantee build quality of individual suppressors. Federal and others have mentioned it being tested on the range and in the field with suppressors including all marketing videos from Federal themselves.
Does it take a titanium action? When this comes out in .308 or 30-06 and improves it may be interesting.
Performance of 7mm mag. For cost and recoil of 30-06! Sweeeet
I’ve been shooting the 7 PRC with the alloy case. They might come out with a 7PRC +p using this case design.
26" barrel with a folding stock would be nice to see. No doubt the 155 load would be close to 3400 out of a 26" barrel.
Probably not since it's so optimized for short barrels it Probably gets complete powder burn in 22" but even if you can get 3400 out of 26" a 7mm rum is still faster in a 24"
@tatsuhirosatou5513 i have a 7 RUM and its epic. 145 cutting edge laser at 3680. But its overkill for nearly anything at that velocity. Ive had a 7mm blank on my bench for 3 years, and with a standard long action receiver, so Im going to build a 28" and do velocity testing. I can always take it down. Ive hunted with long barrel guns for over a decade. They have their tradeoffs, but i am very comfortable with them.
@jtrguitar6294 my preference is long barrel, my current elk rifle is a 27" 338 laupua. I just have no faith in 7 back country in a long barrel since from fedrals own info on thier website they are saying it tops out at a 20" for max velocity so under the right conditions you might find a load that can get a few extra fps out of a 22" but anything past that is just gunna slow is down
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 that is not how ot works at all. Why dont you look at specs before commenting. The specs with the 7BC are posted on Federal's site with 20" and 24" barrels. 24" are running about 150fps faster than 20" which is about normal. 7BC, while only slightly, is running 175gr faster than the 7rum with less powder meaning in general lower recoil.
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 there own website lists 24" barrel velocity so i think you have misinformation
Ill keep.my 7prc love it
Thanks for the info! I'm planning on getting back into hunting this year and I'm definitely keeping an eye on this cartridge as well as Horizon. Are you guys planning on doing anything with a folding stock? So you have any opinions of folding stocks in general?
Thanks, We haven't yet outside of our custom department
Dumb question, but Is there anything different required of the action, barrel construction, bolt head, lugs or work needed to chamber this round compared to traditional rifles? Would traditional modern rifles be capable of handling these high pressures if the cases were made from the PEAK alloy?
I thought some manufactures were having to change action and bolt designs in order to handle the 80,000 psi. Are you positive just doing a barrel swap on an older action is safe?
It would be sweet to see a 16-18" bullpup. Carbon fiber chassis, spiral fluted barrel. Talk about the ultimate back country rig.
Barnes has announced there loadimg for this one.
Kicks like a .270 pushing a 140 gr superperformance 💥👍🏻
So I have a crazy idea to have a barrel made up for one of these for a Noreen BN36. Would this be safe in an autoloader?
Bout to buy the venatic carbon in 7mm bc
What about 18 or 20 inch barrels?
Breaking a bullet with pliers and having to drill a hole in the bullet to release the powder that neck tension explains 80,000 psi ! 🤷
Definitely crossed my mind
Any chance lefty’s will get some options soon?
There are in our vandal line
@ That’s great. Thank You
Talk about a quiet Mike.
it sounds like a phenomenal long range gun. Apples to apples with same barrel length it beats the 7 RM and 7PRC by a fair margin. I want a 24" barrel and the 7 BC will be on my short list. . . . . . . so short its the only one on it. :)
A 28 nosler can duplicate its numbers if not exceed them and it’s already available
@@landenrobbins9936 sure, at 24"-26" barrels burning a ton of powder and kicking like a mule. In a shorter barrel it sounds like the 7 BC will pull away from the 28 as the 28's large volume slow burning powder won't all burn in the barrel taking the performance with it.
@@shawnengstrom3906 I’m getting the same velocity the 7 bc is in a 20 inch and so are other people look at the forums, 2940 with the 195 eol,
@@shawnengstrom3906 also the recoil is going to be very similar between the two calibers because physics a 190 going 3000 is going to exert the same amount of force backwards in any rifle chambering regardless of powder charge, also why you do think that federal explicitly said “felt recoil” and “perceived recoil” in their release video and not just recoil force, because the rifle system is what reduces the recoil of any cartridge, muzzle brake, suppressor, heavier rifle etc
If this turns out to answer all the questions and you can somewhat reload, does this put Winchester and Browning on alert with the 6.8 western. Not because of alloy vs. brass, but because now you get a 7mm, that performs significantly better.
Puts Hornady on alert since it could make the 7 PRC obsolete
@gerry6.8 I would not be surprised if Hornady was already working on something like this.
Call RCBS and ask them how the dies are working out. 😅
Been trying but they have such weird hours
I want one ..
Its a 3006 case necked down to 7mm
Looks like 280 Ai
Its an advancment in case technology and metallurgy.
Yeah some will claim its junk and the technology is snake oil.
Other's will claim it's the newest iteration of the Holy Grail of cartridges and firearms for the next 100 years.
One thing is for sure. Its somewhere between these. Technology will continue to advance the industry. Possibly one day soon more cartridges will become available in other calibers.
Unless enough intrest us drawn to 7mmBC, the mfgs arent going to have the funding or interest in moving forward to a 30 cal or a 6.5mm ECT ECT
I currently hunt with a 16.5 inch 308 and a 7mm 24 inch when the distances can be further. I was about to purchase a 300wm with a 20 inch or possibly build one with an 18 inch barrel to hunt suppressed in a box stand. I am supper excited for this round and hope it catches on. Thanks for the info you have gathered so far
Why did you not show the accuracy of the shots at 100 yds? You are drinking the cool aid but shot placement is everything.
It’s a 280AI. And die development has stalled at RCBS. Appears it takes 12 passes per cartridge to resize them. Not viable
Until we get silencers off the nfa im just not interested in silencing super sonics
First, it’s not a new “caliber “. It’s a new “cartridge”. I love the 7mm’s. I love the original 7mm rem mag, I think they shoot the 160ish gr bullets. I jumped on the nosler train with the 28 nosler to be able to launch the 195s around 3100ish out of a 26” barrel. I have this nosler hunting rifle and it is a hammer. Then it was the 7mm PRC but for a different reason, it’s faster twist rate and ability to push the 175s. Above 2850ish with a 20”-22” barrel that is suppressed. A light, short barreled suppressed 7mm high BC bullet. This 7mm is a waste to me. Just more of the same
Saying about the trop i have a 30-06 with a 18inch barral an its getting 2850fs an at 500 yards its tropping 44 inchs...but it's a spicy load for it...
6 years development and no real means to reload ? Dies aren't available yet and my understanding the vendors are having issues making them. Youale rifles and can get the weight of the powder ? SMH
Please compare head to head with 7PRC! And not with Hornady neutered ammo!!! Please and thanks!
Comparing factory ammo makes sense
@ sure, but run federal factory loaded 7PRC. Hornady had a powder shortage and their box velocity is nowhere near claimed and what it used to be.
So electrolysis welded the bullet to the cartridge case to the point that it could not be pulled without destroying the bullet….grampa’s 7mm mag is obsolete…spend another $8K for gun and glass.
A few issues with this one. Without industry support this cartridge will die faster than a fruit fly. The idea of leaving 200 to 300fps on the table simply to get a short barrel is just insane. Thats like buying any magnum and loading it to a short action performance. If you are in places thick enough to need a short barrel you won't be shooting at distances that need all that velocity. If you hunt somewhere open enough why restrict yourself with a short barrel?
Shorter barrel=lighter rifle. That’s why
You don't hunt with a suppressed rifle on a back pack do you. My 22" creedmoor with an 6" suppressor kind sucks packing through sub alpine stuff or even having to slink through standard more open pines. give me an over all length of 22" with suppressor with 24" unsuppressed velocities...sounds good to me.
@wcb5890 I would rather have the performance. I can't buy a cartridge fully knowing I'm leaving 100s of fps on the table. Using the 20in 3000fps for the 7bc and 170gr pills that is only 150fps over a 162gr 22in 7mm08. Going any shorter will bring the two closer so what are you really getting? Like every other high pressure larger capacity cartridge it needs barrel length to set itself apart.
Saying a 7mm-08 is within 150 fps with a 162 grain bullet in a hunting rifle is not realistic. Your velocity number would be 2850 fps which correlates to a 140 grain bullet not a 162. If you're getting 2850 fps with a 162 grain bullet then you're most likely over SAAMI pressure. A realistic value is 2630 fps which would be almost 400 fps. This is my knowledge and experience after 30 years of reloading for the 7mm-08 and trying to push the extremes to get the highest safe velocity possible with the 160 class bullets.
@@LouisShirilla-e3p I'm shooting 180s over 2700. My 140s are over 3000fps. And all this is on hodgdon website.
How many Guntubers did Federal give a 7mmBC rifle to?? 😂😂😂 Answer is every single damn one. 10 subs or 10 million don’t matter you got one.
hmmmmm just another cartridge to try and sell guns and ammo! why not work on lowering ammo prices
I heard that!
You mean a company wants to make a profit every year and not go in the red? I mean I’m sure you work for a business/company that wants to be profitable. What a stupid comment. This round is getting 3000 fps in a 20” barrel with a heavy for caliber bullet. None of your rifles can meet all that criteria.
I agree with you.
Lol tell us your poor without saying it😂😂😂
How much do you know about economics. The price of materials and acquiring those materials play a huge role. You also have supply and demand, and when demand is higher the prices go up. This is not the manufacturers fault but the consumers. It's not even the consumers' fault. It's just economics.
It's another cartridge. Dress it up anyway you want . I'll stick with what I've got .
cool...nobody said you needed it.
Good review, BUT it is a cartridge! Caliber is 7mm. Been shooting for 55 years. Hard to respect "experts" who don't use the correct terminology.
No difference between 7 bc and 22.250 or 22 swift
Sorry I ment 22 Creedmoor
Care to elaborate
Lol. Just emajin the length on that 178gr or 195 gr .22cal bullet.....gonna be one deep throat!
I just don't see how this is innovative when they just copied Sigs 277 Fury
Stop calling it a new caliber
Broke back 7mm
Nice technology, but unfortunately its all proprietary... EVERYTHING proprietary is either not very popular or a complete failure... now make the technology open source and let anyone who wants to load make ammo (so it's less than $3.50 a round!) and i won't be so negative. Im gonna bet that simply changing the material of the cartridge wouldn't be safe in an older gun, so no it wont help older cartridges or rifles chambered for them. Also make a magnum so i can see some REAL performance, if i see a .375 400 grain screaming at 3,500 fps or better then ill be impressed. Also you just wait till there's one and i mean one company that makes a bad rifle or a bad round... Maybe bubba actually is stupid enough to rechamber his old junker for this cartridge and there's a failure, it will absolutely grenade and unalive people in the area very efficiently. That will single handedly end the entire story. My thoughts are the rifles and ammo will be a collector's item in ten years.
I just don’t see a real market for this.
Uh hard no
It’s junk
Explain why?
@@adamwiech4874he is an old fudd.
@ do you think that this is the first steel case that’s ever been made you can’t even reload it and if you are able to later on it’s going to be expensive to do so
@@CharlieHays-ii1gy wtong ,, they say the ammo is cheaper Tha. Factory 7 prc ammo , ,so tell me why its junk?? Ill wait.
@@CharlieHays-ii1gy Weak (1) you state that it will not be able to be reloaded despite their assertion that it will be reloadable, (2) you admit that it will eventually be reloadable but complain about the cost without having any idea what the cost will be.
Its not a caliber , its a cartridge , come on man. .
It may be "technology" but steel cases are not new technology, in fact its very old tech so call a spade a spade or in your case you probbaly call a spade a queen or something simce you dont know the difference between a cartridge and a caliber .