This is one of the things that KSP really excels at: rapid iteration of design. With this, it is possible to do trial and error for our designs and it makes building really fun. You'll always be like, "what if I do that? will doing this have any effect?" etc. Of course it's frustrating at times, but still fun and satisfying esp if you are able to achieve what you want. I can only imagine how Matt felt when his design finally worked. Oh and yeah, this is really really helpful for players(like me) attempting to build SSTOs. For example, I learned in Matt's videos to add whiplash engines to my SSTOs to help it gain some speed in the lower atmosphere. It proved to be really helpful.
unless you have a computer where the unity engine shows why it's completely inappropriate for this type of game and it gives you a 50% chance of crashing when exiting the vab
How I make SSTOs 1: Make a plane 2: Slap a crap ton of engines on it 3: Put more fuel tanks on it 4: Make it look cool Also, can you please make a tutorial on how to land sstos because I cannot land anything on Kerbin or not
Make sure your landing run is lined up with the runway and may be very useful to come in low to the runway level till you get used to it... Keep the nose up and glide in if your craft can handle it... Keep engines on a tiny fraction just in case you need it, so you don't just fall out of the air at random point
Gah Fawkes Really? they look the complete same from every side but im not completely sure I mean if it is true it just makes it harder for him so you know its win win
I honestly enjoyed mark thrimm's ssto programme. He also posted like an excel sheet that has lots of maths on how to ssto. And this guy goes like nah screw maths. More boosters more fuel. More fuel, more fuel, crash? Add more boosters and more fuel. Keep up the videos man
Nice. I've owned ksp for years but still never made a plane yet. Went through several games and restarts. I'm at the stage where I can go almost anywhere I want and back with Eve being 1 of the most obvious exceptions. I see your videos and want to try space planes but haven't got the balls yet. I still enjoy watching you build yours
I've wanted to make the argus shuttle Ssto plane, and I didn't know how to, and I'm glad I found this video, then I found this video. Thanks for the tutorial you earned a sub!
Thanks, Matt! I was looking at the KSP Subreddit. About 40-70% of the posts were SSTOs, So I took to youtube and was about to type "ksp ssto tutorial" when I Saw this.
@sausagemit This was really nice to know! I'm actually studying to be an aerospace engineer and have become pretty familiar with trial and error. I'll probably get a good working SSTO eventually! :D
imagine this SSTO had a 360-degree sphere cockpit with hexagonal screens that transmit external surroundings via exterior cameras, that would be heckin' awesome.
How do you know that the center of lift is well balanced with the center of mass without using these tools in the building editor? Just a good feeling and experience I guess ?
This is gosh darn beautiful..... Now I feel like going on KSP and making a Vtol capable version... Hmm I'd have to sacrifice some of those seats though... Because I don't clip like that
Tropical Viking you need a lot of change to make it VTOL, lol, you must move the engines to the middle and the center of mass and thrust will change a lot, it will be a completely new design
Yay thx Also should I add more wing to my Dragon minmus cargo SSTO (It goes to minmus and refuels and then has about 5k deltaV, I use the stock deltaV calculator, also why are you using mechjeb for deltaV readout when 1.6 has it or is this old footage?) Edit I realized I forgot the issue, it nearly hits the ground when it falls of the runway, same with moonlight but last time I edited that it made its deltaV go from 5k to 3k so I added a refueler to it...
Now i have some creative ideas, but i just don't know how you (in this movie) connect some things together. I usually end up with something that is not attached. I see things being connected that i just cannot replicate in the game so im wondering if you are using buttons i simply havent found or you use a mod?
Head of management: Despite the 3 major failures of missions, we arent losing much money! I'd imagine we can do whatever we want and I have an ambitious idea! The ambitious idea: 0:23
Maths who needs it ;P Nice How To-ish video. I struggle with my SSTO plane designs, although thinking on things I think it is due to not having enough non-atmosphere engines on my designs. Well not enough engines and too much fuel. After a number of iterations I tend to get a little frustrated and then start strapping on some boosters, or just toss a large rocket behind it(or in front of it) and the plane becomes a payload. My latest design I did not have enough engines or fuel on it by far and quickly became a payload. I then proceeded to take it to the Mun and going why do I have wings on this thing for flying around the Mun and Minmus they don't have an atmosphere to use the wings in and proceeded to remove the wings on the next iteration.
Hey, that's...pretty good. Great job with the SSTE Matt, but now for a REAL challenge- build an SSTO that can perform a Brachistochrone trajectory to Duna.
One major problem I keep having in designing huge SSTOs is passing Mach1. A lot of them have a fairly high TWR, accelerate quickly and can even take off halfway down the runway, but as soon as it hits 340m/s, there's a sudden spike in drag and I can't accelerate. Even if I climb to 10km and nosedive, I break that speed, but immediately slow down once I level out again. Anyone know why this is happening? I currently use 1 R.A.P.I.E.R per 20t starting mass.
The thrust of the RAPIERs drops slightly at about mach 1, I believe this is to simulate transonic drag without having to actually implement it into the aero-model. The best solution I can offer would be to add moar boosters, perhaps use 1 RAPIER per 15t of starting mass. A technique I saw on the forums once was to use drop off SRBs to kick you past that breaking point, not technically SSTO but still cheap if you're playing career.
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try 15t/R.A.P.I.E.R from now on. And yeah, I knew about the attempt to simulate transonic drag, but damn is it annoying xD. As for adding SRBs in career, that's just a fact. SSTOs don't really matter in a career sense
I'm not very good at trial and error or math! XD But I've got a few good LKO SSTOs. My real problem there is I pick designs which are hard to modify to add more fuel & stuff. With the SSTO in this video, small fuel tanks can be clipped with the wings, the whole thing can be lengthened, etc. With my favourite designs, the ~wings~ lifting surfaces are too much a part of the whole style to make either of those changes. Having said that, in one of my designs the engines are on pods on the wing-tips and I really should add fuel to those pods; changing structural fuselages into tanks. It's just that doing it properly means replacing 4 of the 6 wings. Oh hang on, now I've removed the carefully flush-fitted solar panels, that wouldn't be so bad. Hmm! But I also just made an ugly bug which won't look any worse no matter how I modify it. XD That one has 4400m/s after the rapiers have used all of the rather plentiful supply of oxidizer, and mining kit too.
So what is a rapier engine? As in what kind of fuel. He mentioned nuclear at one point also. I don't play KSP so I'm asking because I'm curious how realistic this is
You mentioned that you put nose cones on the back of the RAPIER engines, (IE: Rapierspikes) I thought that particular aero-drag 'hack' got patched out?
From my experience if you don't put the engines in the middle of the craft, when empty of fuel it's impossible to fly cause the Com shifts all the way back, at least for such big crafts.
your amazing builds in ksp are outstanding. if you want a challenge try building the USS enterprise from Star trek either The enterprise D or the original
I have no idea what I did but aftwe 1 hour of failed attempts at trying to build and fly, ever ssto I ever built after that moment worked. Every damn one. Like wings misplaced? It can land on mun. To much thrust? Could still not spin out
If only I had the time to do this. I did make an accidental SSTO once. It was an SLS replica, with a mammoth which got into orbit without any staging. Whoops.
just landed on minimus and wow you worry about the amount of delta-V you need to Leo. *Spends 7k dV of fuel to mun* How long did it take u to learn how to build sstos
Hi Matt...could you build a rocket powered space elevator? Or maybe a Death Star? Cus we all know that you have the raw talent to do either of those tasks.
In my experience, the sweet spot is have one RAPIER for, at max 15 tons of craft. Majes huge SSTOS very difficult to build. To a point that I wonder a vertical taking off SSTO wouldn't be better, ditch the RAPIERs for rocket engines. I guess the X-33 Valkyrie concept was not that bad, shame they didn't resolve the problem of the fuel tanks.
Whenever I try to make an ssto or a space plane, as soon as I clear the runway, the plane just flips and I cant get control of it. Any1 know how I can stop this?
-Make sure your centre of mass is far ahead of your centre of lift (both when fully fuelled and when empty). -Engines in KSP are very heavy, so sometimes having loads of them at the back of your plane makes it more unstable, putting all the engines in the middle of your craft or some at the back and the front can help offset that issue. The KSP forums is probably the best place for questions like this, that's where I usually go.
Move center of mass in front of center of lift, by moving the wings backwards. If it rotates sideways put a larger tail on it. The extreme case is an arrow. Center of mass behind the center of lift is like trying to throw an arrow backwards.
I know im a little late to the party, but does anyone know wether he is taking of the engines or just the nose cones at the back to place the nuclear engines?
Hey Matt, I got something for realism mode. Can you, using an expendable F9, return 2kg of moon rock without going over one hundred million dollars total cost?
« Not the most efficient method-> trial and error » true BUT you start to feel what will/won’t work eg: New SSTO/rocket (having tried a previous vessel) : Yeah looks good don’t think it make it « I’ll try anyway » Nope didn’t think so Fidel ajust add remove... Right that should work but only just, might get unstable at X m/s or X m tho.. Better than I thought but too unstable....
matt can you please make an ssto that is similar to the archangel v2 but with an isru? i like sstos with isru because if you run out of fuel you can turn on th e converter and not feel bad about it where as no miners kinda piss me off. please make one matt
This is one of the things that KSP really excels at: rapid iteration of design. With this, it is possible to do trial and error for our designs and it makes building really fun. You'll always be like, "what if I do that? will doing this have any effect?" etc. Of course it's frustrating at times, but still fun and satisfying esp if you are able to achieve what you want. I can only imagine how Matt felt when his design finally worked.
Oh and yeah, this is really really helpful for players(like me) attempting to build SSTOs. For example, I learned in Matt's videos to add whiplash engines to my SSTOs to help it gain some speed in the lower atmosphere. It proved to be really helpful.
unless you have a computer where the unity engine shows why it's completely inappropriate for this type of game and it gives you a 50% chance of crashing when exiting the vab
Yeah, i am always like that. Im working on a craft that I made, but lost and am making better.
How I make SSTOs
1: Make a plane
2: Slap a crap ton of engines on it
3: Put more fuel tanks on it
4: Make it look cool
Also, can you please make a tutorial on how to land sstos because I cannot land anything on Kerbin or not
Check out his interplanetary ssto guide, its a little old but the principles still apply
Make sure your landing run is lined up with the runway and may be very useful to come in low to the runway level till you get used to it... Keep the nose up and glide in if your craft can handle it...
Keep engines on a tiny fraction just in case you need it, so you don't just fall out of the air at random point
Just practice landing them without ever putting them into orbit... or loads of chutes like my moonlight SSTO
Add step 5.
Put lots of parachutes on it.
about your landing problem, just think of it as flying reeeaaaalllly slow and reeeaaaallly low over wherever you are landing
Yeeeaah glad there are still some ksp youtubers left u r one of my favorites
IKR, but he’s better than the others, like I could 100% listen to him to get to sleep
@@autowarranty2852 there are RSS\RO players that will make Matt Lowne look like an noob (i can give some links if you want :) )
@@randommartian249 how dare you
@@jakub-kube just saying
@@randommartian249 i'm just joking lol
@kube_czek r/woooosh
Matt Lowne and Marcus Thrimm have the same SSTO aesthetic, but opposite energy.
Matt: "More boosters more fuel"
Marcus: "Here's an excel sheet"
Im not going to stop
Get to orbit with only launch escape systems
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dont they have a slight off-center thrust?
Gah Fawkes Really? they look the complete same from every side but im not completely sure
I mean if it is true it just makes it harder for him so you know its win win
@@alanwatts8239 If you have more than one attached symmetrically, the off-center thrust vectors should cancel out.
@@rl3565 draw 4 uno
I honestly enjoyed mark thrimm's ssto programme. He also posted like an excel sheet that has lots of maths on how to ssto.
And this guy goes like nah screw maths. More boosters more fuel. More fuel, more fuel, crash? Add more boosters and more fuel.
Keep up the videos man
You balance Form with function with your crafts. They look absolutely awesome. I love listening to these videos while I study or relax
Nice. I've owned ksp for years but still never made a plane yet. Went through several games and restarts. I'm at the stage where I can go almost anywhere I want and back with Eve being 1 of the most obvious exceptions. I see your videos and want to try space planes but haven't got the balls yet. I still enjoy watching you build yours
Have you, now?
@@caimanaraujo479 yeah
I've wanted to make the argus shuttle Ssto plane, and I didn't know how to, and I'm glad I found this video, then I found this video. Thanks for the tutorial you earned a sub!
Thanks for this video, I’m starting to create content for ksp and this helped alot
I'm going to give you a sub. Hope to see some good ksp videos from ya. Good luck growing your channel.
@@normalhuman9260 thank you so much bro
Great to see you stretching your skills out to the rest of us many people will be able to make great creations to now!
I love what you did with those wing strakes! It kinda reminds me of my SPLICER fighter planes
Hey Matt,
Could you try create the boeing dream chaser or the BFR?
I will try, but it's for Matt.
I will make the Dream Chaser, Matt will do.
@@masterkatyucha2817 Wot do u mean matt will do?
@@astronomical4763 , I mean, Mat will make the Dream chaser and when i'm done, i will make the BFR in the first time huh.
@@masterkatyucha2817 cool. Hope he reads this!
Ksp: how many engines do you want for your SSTO?
Matt lowne: Y E S
Thanks, Matt!
I was looking at the KSP Subreddit. About 40-70% of the posts were SSTOs, So I took to youtube and was about to type "ksp ssto tutorial" when I Saw this.
Hey matt, thanks for this tutorial, I REALLY needed it ☺️👍
I believe you would be able to take off sooner if you’d slide the gears forward -closer to the center of gravity
Looks more impressive than my SSTO. Those are just clipper-style heavy lifters. One of them even made it to the Mun on one tank of fuel.
I watch this and immediately make a 32 seat laythe ssto on the first try. Matt has made me a ksp god
(LAUGHS IN RSS\RO).
You are nice
This'll come in handy! I suck at ssto's!!
@sausagemit This was really nice to know! I'm actually studying to be an aerospace engineer and have become pretty familiar with trial and error. I'll probably get a good working SSTO eventually! :D
@@MehNamesKing so, what's up? Still trying to follow aerospace engineering career?
@@rob_olmstead Yep! It's a long path, but I'm not giving up just yet :D
The nosecones on the Rapiers aren't a cheat, they're just... creative aerospikification to increase efficiency.
Don't forget to check the flight characteristics when its fuel tanks are empty and the CoM moves forward.
This is why I love the game! You can build literally whatever you like!
imagine this SSTO had a 360-degree sphere cockpit with hexagonal screens that transmit external surroundings via exterior cameras, that would be heckin' awesome.
How do you know that the center of lift is well balanced with the center of mass without using these tools in the building editor? Just a good feeling and experience I guess ?
Hi. Very interesting^^. Why frequently using a couple of statoreactors instead of RAPIERs?
holy shit this is the first time im this early
anyways, nice vid
This is gosh darn beautiful.....
Now I feel like going on KSP and making a Vtol capable version... Hmm I'd have to sacrifice some of those seats though...
Because I don't clip like that
Tropical Viking you need a lot of change to make it VTOL, lol, you must move the engines to the middle and the center of mass and thrust will change a lot, it will be a completely new design
Thank you matt lowne, Very cool and epic
SSTO that Matt builds in this video: Lagstorm Mk1
Hey Matt, are you using mods for this or how are you clipping those parts like this?
Me; struggling to make a functional mk 3 plane, unable to make any ssto
Matt; flies an ssto to eloo with hundreds of kerbals.
I noticed you don't use autostruts much, is there any reason? Also really cool of you to add the other videos in the description, you're a good dude.
somehow in every vid you manage to create a new fact about the 400m/s rapier shenanigan lol
Yay thx
Also should I add more wing to my Dragon minmus cargo SSTO
(It goes to minmus and refuels and then has about 5k deltaV, I use the stock deltaV calculator, also why are you using mechjeb for deltaV readout when 1.6 has it or is this old footage?)
Edit I realized I forgot the issue, it nearly hits the ground when it falls of the runway, same with moonlight but last time I edited that it made its deltaV go from 5k to 3k so I added a refueler to it...
Now i have some creative ideas, but i just don't know how you (in this movie) connect some things together. I usually end up with something that is not attached.
I see things being connected that i just cannot replicate in the game so im wondering if you are using buttons i simply havent found or you use a mod?
Great Video! I havent watched it but I already know it'll be great
You should build some SSTOs using mk2 and mk3 expansion, you'd absolutely love those mods!
he doesnt use mods
only visual
Head of management: Despite the 3 major failures of missions, we arent losing much money! I'd imagine we can do whatever we want and I have an ambitious idea!
The ambitious idea: 0:23
Maths who needs it ;P
Nice How To-ish video. I struggle with my SSTO plane designs, although thinking on things I think it is due to not having enough non-atmosphere engines on my designs. Well not enough engines and too much fuel. After a number of iterations I tend to get a little frustrated and then start strapping on some boosters, or just toss a large rocket behind it(or in front of it) and the plane becomes a payload.
My latest design I did not have enough engines or fuel on it by far and quickly became a payload. I then proceeded to take it to the Mun and going why do I have wings on this thing for flying around the Mun and Minmus they don't have an atmosphere to use the wings in and proceeded to remove the wings on the next iteration.
Thank you Matt, very cool!
Hey, that's...pretty good. Great job with the SSTE Matt, but now for a REAL challenge- build an SSTO that can perform a Brachistochrone trajectory to Duna.
YES another video
What plugin is that? The one that shows your AP, EP, and Alt on your hud?
One major problem I keep having in designing huge SSTOs is passing Mach1. A lot of them have a fairly high TWR, accelerate quickly and can even take off halfway down the runway, but as soon as it hits 340m/s, there's a sudden spike in drag and I can't accelerate. Even if I climb to 10km and nosedive, I break that speed, but immediately slow down once I level out again.
Anyone know why this is happening? I currently use 1 R.A.P.I.E.R per 20t starting mass.
The thrust of the RAPIERs drops slightly at about mach 1, I believe this is to simulate transonic drag without having to actually implement it into the aero-model.
The best solution I can offer would be to add moar boosters, perhaps use 1 RAPIER per 15t of starting mass. A technique I saw on the forums once was to use drop off SRBs to kick you past that breaking point, not technically SSTO but still cheap if you're playing career.
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try 15t/R.A.P.I.E.R from now on. And yeah, I knew about the attempt to simulate transonic drag, but damn is it annoying xD.
As for adding SRBs in career, that's just a fact. SSTOs don't really matter in a career sense
We needed it
I'm not very good at trial and error or math! XD But I've got a few good LKO SSTOs. My real problem there is I pick designs which are hard to modify to add more fuel & stuff. With the SSTO in this video, small fuel tanks can be clipped with the wings, the whole thing can be lengthened, etc. With my favourite designs, the ~wings~ lifting surfaces are too much a part of the whole style to make either of those changes. Having said that, in one of my designs the engines are on pods on the wing-tips and I really should add fuel to those pods; changing structural fuselages into tanks. It's just that doing it properly means replacing 4 of the 6 wings. Oh hang on, now I've removed the carefully flush-fitted solar panels, that wouldn't be so bad. Hmm!
But I also just made an ugly bug which won't look any worse no matter how I modify it. XD That one has 4400m/s after the rapiers have used all of the rather plentiful supply of oxidizer, and mining kit too.
When I commented this, I was in in bed, watching this at 11pm cuz I had nothing to do. ;)
How do you delete just one thing like you did with the engines? I wish I knew more of the shortcuts or keybinds that make building easier...
So what is a rapier engine? As in what kind of fuel. He mentioned nuclear at one point also. I don't play KSP so I'm asking because I'm curious how realistic this is
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what i said when i saw the vid LOL
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twitter.com/KSC_fr/status/1099301771120267265 for you Matt
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I'm yeeting 24/7 right now
You mentioned that you put nose cones on the back of the RAPIER engines, (IE: Rapierspikes) I thought that particular aero-drag 'hack' got patched out?
Ye pretty cool mate though isn’t aiming these thing a little buggy?
Interesting!! Thanks for the information and keep it up!!👍 I will buy KSP in the near future in PS4.
Don't buy it for ps4 you can't install mods for ps4 version
YEET NEW VIDEO!
Glad this game is still running strong after all these years.
From my experience if you don't put the engines in the middle of the craft, when empty of fuel it's impossible to fly cause the Com shifts all the way back, at least for such big crafts.
5:04 - this is the only true Kerbal way of doing things.
Nice job dude
your amazing builds in ksp are outstanding. if you want a challenge try building the USS enterprise from Star trek either The enterprise D or the original
What Graphical mods do you have enabled?
Helllllllllooooooo. This is the earliest I'v been to a video. I hope you have a good day.
I have no idea what I did but aftwe 1 hour of failed attempts at trying to build and fly, ever ssto I ever built after that moment worked. Every damn one. Like wings misplaced? It can land on mun. To much thrust? Could still not spin out
I just started playing KSP and i really enjoy your vids
#Subbed
Love to watch your vids
Post more often!!
All your videos
Time-lapse
And one time improv commentary
Perfect
If only I had the time to do this. I did make an accidental SSTO once. It was an SLS replica, with a mammoth which got into orbit without any staging. Whoops.
Thanks for the idea. I’ll try make a space plane
just landed on minimus and wow you worry about the amount of delta-V you need to Leo. *Spends 7k dV of fuel to mun*
How long did it take u to learn how to build sstos
Yessss new vid
Edit: i live off of this channel
Last time I was this early YT rewind was still a thing
Hi Matt...could you build a rocket powered space elevator? Or maybe a Death Star? Cus we all know that you have the raw talent to do either of those tasks.
This is how Matt does it
ALT F12 is how I get to Eeloo
Any thoughts on using this in another one of those cinematics?
The only craft I'm able to build is a Single Stage to Obit. In just one stage the entire kerbal tripulation perishes catastrophically
Why do you clip small nose cones into the Raptor engines?
I love this video! YEET
Who's here for Matt's commentary ?
In my experience, the sweet spot is have one RAPIER for, at max 15 tons of craft. Majes huge SSTOS very difficult to build. To a point that I wonder a vertical taking off SSTO wouldn't be better, ditch the RAPIERs for rocket engines.
I guess the X-33 Valkyrie concept was not that bad, shame they didn't resolve the problem of the fuel tanks.
I can’t find 200 Kerbals to sit on my huge SSTO
make one
shift windows key f12
create ur own kerbal
Other than my comment that was a great video!
Isn't this called an sste (Single Stage To Eeloo)?
i make SSTOs (Single Stage To Ocean) they work very well
I mean if they're built to go to the ocean and they make it to the ocean, I'd say it's a job well done
SSTEB (Single Stage to Eeloo and back)
If you draw them in a venn diagram, not all SSTO's are SSTE's (or SSTEAB's) but all SSTE's (or SSTEAB's) are, necessarily, SSTO's.
Sstqd (single stage to Quick death)
Whenever I try to make an ssto or a space plane, as soon as I clear the runway, the plane just flips and I cant get control of it. Any1 know how I can stop this?
-Make sure your centre of mass is far ahead of your centre of lift (both when fully fuelled and when empty).
-Engines in KSP are very heavy, so sometimes having loads of them at the back of your plane makes it more unstable, putting all the engines in the middle of your craft or some at the back and the front can help offset that issue.
The KSP forums is probably the best place for questions like this, that's where I usually go.
Move center of mass in front of center of lift, by moving the wings backwards. If it rotates sideways put a larger tail on it. The extreme case is an arrow. Center of mass behind the center of lift is like trying to throw an arrow backwards.
just how many hours do you have on this game
You really need to make a series sorta like interstellar quest
What was your final ratio of fuel, twr and lift?
Is it on the steam workshop?
Soooo is this the evacuation craft for green harvest?
I know im a little late to the party, but does anyone know wether he is taking of the engines or just the nose cones at the back to place the nuclear engines?
yo what's your pc spec?
Thank you.
Hey Matt, I got something for realism mode.
Can you, using an expendable F9, return 2kg of moon rock without going over one hundred million dollars total cost?
Matt, maybe you should try to recreate the space station in the wandering earth
These sstos tend to look kinda like a cross from an SR71 and the halberd from Kirby
Matt, you are very good ssto builder, but can you make a single seat eve ssto without mining and refueling
You should make an Interstellar/Light speed spacecraft. Plz. That would be cool.
« Not the most efficient method-> trial and error » true BUT you start to feel what will/won’t work eg:
New SSTO/rocket (having tried a previous vessel) :
Yeah looks good don’t think it make it « I’ll try anyway »
Nope didn’t think so
Fidel ajust add remove...
Right that should work but only just, might get unstable at X m/s or X m tho..
Better than I thought but too unstable....
matt can you please make an ssto that is similar to the archangel v2 but with an isru? i like sstos with isru because if you run out of fuel you can turn on th
e converter and not feel bad about it where as no miners kinda piss me off. please make one matt
I challenge you to deliver a Saturn V replica to the mun using an SSTO.