Garrett's New Vortex: What Are The Facts?
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- This is a summarized version of what Garrett released about their NEW Vortex metal detector. In this video, we'll cover a number of questions to include price, features, accessories, search modes etc. You can find the article on my website www.mentalmetaldetecting.com
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I pre-ordered mine yesterday. My favorite thing about this machine is that it’s turn on and go. Some folks don’t like to fiddle with adjustments or do I have it set correctly…… some of us just want to enjoy the experience/hunt. Long time Deus 2 user/Etrac/Equinox 600/Tesoro/AT Pro/Gold/ whites. I’ve ran a lot of different machines.
Thats what I loved about the AT Pro. I'm looking forward to the Vortex is well.
I’ve been disgesting it all all since the debut wrapped up yesterday. I was hoping for a model that would be at least be at the Legend, Maniticore and Deus level detector features, and a wireless option which has basically become a must have feature for me, and only one company offers - XP.
I had put off my purchase decision until the reveal yesterday to see what level of detectors they would be going up against. Now that we know these go against the Score series andthe Xterra Elite levels for the most part, I am going to proceed with my XP purchase...
That isn't a bad choice. I do love my Deus 2. :-) Good luck on your purchase and I hope you consider giving Fort Bedford a chance to earn your business.
I would like to see a Depth test and Rusty Square Nails Board Test
Same here.
@Steelydan42 I saw you comment of this on another video and the reply that those videos are boring. Lol, I've never found a depth test to be boring. It's important information.
Interesting concept. I hope it puts Garrett back in the game. I can’t wait for your test video on them.
Me too. Thanks for watching.
I don’t think it’s gonna cut it
Give it chance to get out there. You might be right.
I am a total Newb to detecting and have only used a friend’s AT Pro which I would consider "OK" at best . With that said I don’t think it was Garret’s goal to compete with the upper spectrum of detectors rather just compete with the $500 - $700 detector range. However, as the Author of this post said without trying it one should not assume it's going to suck. For a beginner like myself trying to decipher good hits from junk while getting so many false signals is my main challenge. Some 50 years ago I buried coins in my backyard and I was not able to find them with the AT pro . Back during the same time period, a neighbor dug up a couple of Bust Half Dollars in their yard. Recently I asked the new owner of that house if I could scan the yard , all I came up with was a bunch of junk that was hitting between 74- 84 on the garret. Once again my inexperience is probably a factor and I don’t want to spend $1500 on a top of the line detector.
Thanks for the comment but most of us would dig targets hitting from 74-84 on any machine. As you learn your detector you will pick up certain nuances where you will know how some of that junk sounds and you will avoid it over time but it takes time to learn your detector. That goes for any detector. If you buried coins in your back yard 50 years ago, there could be a lot of factors keeping you from detecting them. Depth, soil conditions, EMI from the house, the search program you were using, the amount of DISC that was set etc. If you buried those coins down past 10 inches, then you probably won't hear them IMO. I used to own an AT Pro and found a lot of good stuff with it.
@@MentalMetal Its possible I buried them somewhat deep , I know the general area . I watch a lot of videos and experienced people make it look much easier then it is. I did dig up a penny and dime but they were only a few inches deep .
You may might want to try it when the ground is wet (really saturated). You might get a better signal and if they are deep you just might hear them. Its hard to say though not knowing your conditions or your set up.
I'll be going directly to the VX9. Hope Garrett will have a software upgrade above that in the future.
I believe that the current electronic upgrade model will motivate them to continually update the device. I expect a VX11 by the end of the first year. I expect higher resolution on the reactivity, new sound profiles, and 2D mapping similar to Manticore. With the screen being a full dot-matrix LCD and the possibility of full software upgrades, we will see ALOT from them. Well, I hope so :)
Time will tell
I want a vlf-axiom combined.
i think a lot of people look for the bling factor this may not look that fancy but tbh the vx9 looks really good tbh and im excited to see the tests
The Metal Detector market has never been so competitive, hope The Vortex is a home run for Garrett
Time will tell here shortly.
Not sure how this machine will perform...however IMO I must say its aesthetics are fantastic! Absolutely love the blue control box and the accented arm cuff. Also so glad Garrett finally introduced a machine with the control box mounted on a handle instead of directly on the shaft itself. If it performs as good as it looks...watch out!
Time will be the deciding factor. I hope it performs well.
it amazes me that people watch a video about a new machine and then make comments about it that have no basis for anything. We really need to wait until it comes out before making any assumptions. I did pre order one, I don’t really need it but I am really curious as to how good it will be.
Thank you for saying this. I think a lot of folks are jumping the gun on opinions. I think we need to wait and see.
Well we know the features it has....not making any assumptions to its performance yet only that it doesnt seem to have what comes standard on many other detectors these says. Maybe they are holding back more surprises for the grand rollout? I hope so...
Looks and sounds like an updated version of the Apex. Maybe it is what the Apex should have been or could be with a firmware update.
Won't make the Apex waterproof.
It is not an upgraded Apex.
@@MentalMetal Agreed, it's a downgraded Apex you have to pay for to equal the Apex (VX9). LOL
I’m a little on the fence. I would have liked to see wireless ear bud capabilities instead of zlink. Those head phones are hot. However, I’ve had 5 Garrett’s detectors since 2000 and have been very happy and have had excellent customer service. That being said, I’ve been swinging the Nokta Macro Legend for 2 years and also love their machine and service. If Garrett would have came out with the Vortex in 2022 I’d be swinging it instead. Also, if you are new to detecting and buy a case, pinpointer, digger, pouch and a couple more coils, you’ll have $1000 invested. A little more than the Legend
I have universal wire headphones Deteknix(Quest) excelent work
"We need a good American made detector". Absolutely!! But I have no illusions that it will be priced competitively. Let's say for example that Garrett produced a machine 100% equivalent in performance and build quality to the Legend. Do you think they could sell it for $550? As someone that worked in manufacturing for a good part of my life, I can say that it's just to expensive to build products in the USA. And not JUST because of labor costs! Insurance, Taxes, Regulations, Liability, Lawsuits, Disability claims, ... and did I mention Lawsuits? This country is suing itself right out of business! I digress...
Junk, Garrett still hosing too many newbies with the antique ATPro line to really come out with a quality detector.
Man you guys are so quick to jump the gun and you don't or haven't even see it in action yet. I'm waiting until I see it in action before I make any judgements.
Don't have to try it, it would be a step backwards from the likes of the Equinox, Deus, Legend yata yata yata. I will put money down it doesn't become your go to detector, nope, it will end up sitting in a corner collecting dust. Lol
they used the same reel as 15 years ago, same design, no flashlight or vibration, the rod without carbon fiber will be heavy, garetta should hire young engineers instead of old guys
This 'withhold features for ransom" marketing model does not appeal to me.
I’m not sure what you mean by withholding features. You can buy whatever features you want.
I don’t see the difference in this than what the score is doing or equinox. The only difference is you always have the option to make it a better detector without spending a fortune on a whole new unit
Oh don't say such negative things or the cancel culture crowd on detecting forums will pound you into ground like fossil. Garrett may not be planning on yearly license fees or subscription methods to continue using the "upgrade" you purchased. People are "oh so happy" about this software upgrade feature to get more features. As with most things in life a good notion in the beginning turns into an insidious $$$$ machine.
You best get ready for the greed-meister of the metal detecting world to put THAT into place. MoneyLab will do it in a heartbeat. Then another, then another... The next thing you know it is considered "normal" and it will be yet another yearly fee you have to pay to enjoy something you THOUGHT you had already paid for up front. Take a look at the "greats" like Micro$oft, and Ci$co. Dollar the buyer to death forever. You "own" the hardware, but the software is what they "own" and you must pay for it by subscription. Think it can't happen to a wee little metal detector? Think again. And Garrett is softening up the herds of sheep that think it's so cool! And it is cool, until somebody twists it around for continuous profit (subscription fees/license fees,etc.) By the way, for those sheep reading this, Garrett is not being attacked. They had a good idea with good intentions but someone else not so nice and good WILL run with this crap in a bad direction. History tells us greed always perverts.
It's ridiculous. The VX7 should be the base model in that case.
From what I gather is you can purchase any of the 3 vortex machines 5-7-9 but if you purchase the 5or seven you have the ability to the 7 or 9 instead of buying another machine. I think it's great
The main thing is with this machine I believe is how fast it digests info. That's it trick. My CTX is slow but thorough. And the Vortex is a much better pin pointer b/c of it. Which I never had any problem hardly at all with. But you know I like it. And Might buy one just for back up.
I like it too. I'll probably get on.
Nice video I agree with you about giving it a chance, It's amazing so many has labeled it and never used or even seen it used, I really hope garrett has a winner here.
I use the legend and am very happy with it but over the years my favorite detector I had the most fun with was the at pro but just had to move up with the technology but yeah there's still times I miss the garrett, I also had a bad coil once and they sent me a new one even before I sent in my bad one so yeah customer service was great.
Looking forward to seeing your videos of it when you get one.
Thanks my friend. I am also looking forward to seeing it in action. I'm hoping it will be a decent machine. I don't expect it to out perform the higher end machines but I do miss using an AT Pro in the water.
I was really hoping that Garrett would have came up with a machine that would have completed with xp and minelab. I also want to see an American company make the best product! But For $600 how is it going to compete with the legend? Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Yep we'll have to wait and see.
I find it super lame that the base model doesn't even have wireless enabled. It should have at least one line of dedicated ferrous disc too. I don't think it even has a vibrating handle option. Pass.
I have the manticore and I don't even use the vibrate function. I have used the manticore in a local river and the local fresh water lake. I am not using a waterproof headset, just the ML105's with the cord.
I would personally buy the VX9, to support the American people.
@@SpectraV3i I'm just going to go ahead and get the Nokta Double Score like I planned. If the Vortex had the vibrate feature I would have considered it.
I wonder how it will compare with my AT Pro. Been using it for years. It's a quarter and nickel magnet. Love the simplicity of it and the fact it is waterproof up to 10 feet under water.
It looks like it might be the upgrade to their AT series but we'll need to wait and see.
Not enough price difference in the models for their strategy to work. My guess is that most people who are serious about buying this machine will just get the VX9, which already appears competitively priced when features are compared to other machines. I hope they didn’t release it too early like the Apex - I think that hurt Garrett sales because it got bad reviews early and everyone saw those, but then when software was upgraded, it turned out to be much better.
My thoughts are that Garrett is sitting back, watching and listening. They are letting the public do the indepth examination of this new stick and then they will add the tweaks later on. Like all detectors, it has its positive and negative aspects.
100% agree.
Does the Vortex have carbon fiber shaft ?
No
It doesn't appear to be.
No, it has a Bounty Hunter Tracker IV , lol
Will you get a Vx 9 to test in your test garden??? Unmasking ability, how will it handle RUSTY Iron nails , not the brand new nails. ability to change Audio to one’s liking. Your opinion on how it compares to the ML, XP, Nokta products. After seeing a video on those topics I will be able to make an informed decision. Thanks Tony
I would love to get my hands on one but I'll be waiting like the rest of us. I don't have any good contacts in Garrett.
@@MentalMetal I hear ya. i trust your videos and viewpoints. It's no doubt you would be honest, and that is why they didn't send you a freebie.
They are selling crippleware now? How disappointing.
I don't know... I haven't really seen it in action to judge. Perhaps maybe we should wait until we get it in our hands before we judge it.
@@MentalMetal I am certain it works great. I have a Garrett AT Pro and love it. What I mean by "cripplewear" is, all the hardware is there and works, but the full capability of the hardware is locked by the firmware which is unlocked via payment.
I understand what they are trying to do, but unfortunately this monetary tactic is pretty universally regarded as scummy, no matter what the product is. Usually hackers take it as a challenge to unlock the features without paying.
Competition between detector companies is fierce with features and price points distinguishing detectors before detectorists begin testing them. Garrett knows its competition is stiff. What do they offer at first glance with the Votex that Nokta Legend doesn't have? Is their 3-tier TID on the VX9 for $600 a strong enough selling point? How user-adjustable is the Vortex? Programmable target ID? Disc adjustable? Are audio tones adjustable? Is a tone break adjustable? Pitch adjustable? Notch filters? Range of sensitivity levels? Is it EMI susceptible? Despite having seven freqs, how many does the simultaneous multi-frequency mode actually use (you might be surprised that it isn't all of them)? TID is usually secondary to audio quality, so the audio tones should be polyphonic or informative. It appears the Vortex audio is not being marketed as anything out of the ordinary.
To me, the Vortex has less of what other detector companies bring upfront. It has fewer features and less user adjustability. The non-ferrous and simple ferrous TID scales are similar to most detectors that differentiate these two signals as a matter of course. Other detectors have various strategies to deal with ferrous. The added Complex Ferrous scale is obviously intended to be the major selling point. Apparently, it shows a TID when both an iron signal and a non-ferrous signal are produced by the same target, such as a flat iron or bent nails (which produce eddy currents similar to non-ferrous along with the common magnetic domain alignment and relaxation that identifies iron, which confuses the TID and causes the high-tone blips when hunting in nail fields for most detectors. How effective is this 3-tier TID in differentiating bottle caps and nails from non-ferrous at depth? Does the TID disappear or become erratic beyond a certain depth, say deeper than eight inches? Is the 3-tier TID operationally useable in a field of nails and iron junk? It would have been best if Garrett showed its capabilities upfront rather than its current sterile milquetoast demonstrations.
Garrett's Vortex sales video implies the machine is deeper and more accurate than single-freq machines, with the caveat that this really applies in areas with severe ground mineralization. In other words, a single freq machine can be as deep, if not deeper, if mineralization is not an issue. This is nothing unique to Garrett or its technology. Using galvanized nails instead of iron square nails in the Garrett video comes across to me as disingenuous. Garrett has to know that various detectorists are posting videos of their tests which are far more rigorous. It would behoove Garrett to demonstrate the Vortex similarly, especially since they claim the multi-dimensional technology is superior. Even the name "Multi-dimensional" is cringe-worthy marketing hype. There is nothing "multi-dimensional" about induction balance detectors or the physics involved. Signal processing is common to all detectors, they each have to deal with contaminated soil, iron, and non-ferrous signals.
If I were Garrett I would stay away from hype. You can label MD-MF technology as "Cryptoforensic Quantum Balance Taxiconomy" but it means nothing. They can sell multi-freq signal processing as "Postcognitive Paraelectrodynamic Morphoelectroscopy" but the detector community of 2024 is not as easily led by the nose as in the past when slick marketing and bright colors sold detectors. People demand performance today. Maybe Garrett's algorithm does it somewhat better? We'll soon see.
Once detectorists start testing the Vortex against its competitors the results will speak for themselves.
Oh man where do I begin...you makes some valid points. IMO lets just wait for the real field tests and then judge. I don't take any stock in the stupid drama going on. This is a drama freed channel :-) Thank you for your comment.
I want to see how it does at the beach in the wet sand and in the saltwater. It’ll be a win for Garrett if it doesn’t have chattering issues, where you would have to cut down the sensitivity level down substantially. I’m wondering if they used any of the Whites technology in this one.
Time will tell and I'm sure they used something from Whites. It appears to be.
I don’t run a cover when I’m in the sand because it traps the sand inside causing even more weight to the coil. Figured this out when I was wearing down at the beach, the coil felt like someone was holding it down when I was swinging so I decided to pull the cover and knock out the sand, what a difference in weight!
I seal my coil covers with black shoe goo. Dirt can’t get inside.
I find the frequency selection is interesting. 5, 13, 18 and 25kHz. I seems that the Garret engineers put more thought into this selection than Minelab with 5, 10, 15, 30 and 40kHz. It may be a patent issue don't know. Thoughts?
I'm also thinking what's up with this, also if I should get the X-Terra Elite or wait for Garret Vortex.
hold out for a couple of weeks but if you can't the Elite is nice machine.
@sunoping9203 get the x terra!
I'm excited to see it come out and get in the hands of life long detectorist . Field test will be the tell of the tape . Be nice if the would do updates like Nokta for FREE . I hope it competes with the rest of them , it's good for the consumer .
Sounds like there will be updates at no charge. The only charge is if you upgrade to the different models.
Whats going to stop pirates from pirating the update?🏴☠️
:-)
Not seeing anything about Iron Bias which is a bit concerning. Also wonder if you can notch the other 2 scales and save to a custom program on the VX9 that might make for a formidable park hunting machine.
Time will tell. Need to get in the field for some good testing.
No headphones is a show stopper for me and they need to be wireless!!!
I find it stupid the VX5 does not have any beach setting. So if you want a beach setting you have to go for the vx7 or 9 which is stupid.
There are a ton of users out there who have no access to a beach. I would say probably more buyers in this category then those who do.
@MentalMetal Completely disagree. Beach detecting is becoming very popular nowadays. Again for Garrett to put a machine that is not meant for the beach they suck! Again they fell way short of Minelab and Nokta who are crushing it.
Well then I guess we agree to disagree. I mean telling a company they "suck" is a little over the top for me but you have the right to your opinion and I respect that.
Looking forward to see how this performs.
Yep same here.
Im happy with my nox.
Great, there is nothing wrong with that.
So how long till someone figures out how to hack them and upgrade them themselves I wonder?
hack what? the license key to do the upgrade? Come on now.
I hope the MS3 headphone disconnecting problem they have with the Apex was fixed for this machine
I'm sure it was. That was so long ago.
Vx7 or Minelab Xterra Elite?
Good question. We'll have to wait and see.
Until we know what the cost of the entry model is, I couldn’t say if it’s good or bad. If it’s a good detector, I think it’s a good idea. Rather than buying a simplex, then upgrade to a score, then a Legend, etc, you can start small, just upgrade. I’m sure hoping the upgrade by software is way cheaper than a new detector
prices are out on all the machines
I put the prices in the video and on the blog post. You probably didn't watch long enough.
The sales model of this thing reminds me of Ford's ideas with electric cars and making people pay for added features like heated seats or cruise control. Personally I think its kind of sheisty...I owned the Legend which is around the same price point and Nokta continues to put out free updates which seemingly blow this thing out of the water in comparison. A company shouldnt hold back on features while dangling the proverbial carrot in front of people for a couple of features that should be mandatory anyways...how about releasing a full featured machine that competes features wise with the rest on the market at that price point to begin with and continue to improve it...? So far Im not hearing that it has ground balance or frequency scan/ noise cancellation, 40 khz, sensitivity control or any rich selection of audio tones/pitches/profiles. The display is uninspiring....maybe the performance will make up for all those shortfalls but if this is it then the USA truly doesnt innovate anymore.
Its amazing how much negativity is being stirred up. I'll hold off judging until it comes out. I do remember a time when Nokta's Legend was not so good either but over time they finally got it right but that didn't happen overnight. But I wouldn't say they were actually innovative. They just copied Minelab's features, added in a flashlight and vibrating handle. I will admit, it was built better and I have come to like it over time. Maybe Garrett will do the same and add in the features everyone is complaining about. It does have ground balancing btw. It doesn't have ground tracking but no one really uses that feature so I'm not what all the fuss is about on that subject. Who knows maybe Garrett isn't trying to appeal to the other brands or customers. They have enough of a user base and realize their brand loyalty will carry them for their existing customers. But no one really knows what anyone is doing anymore, X-Terra Pro, Elite, Score, Double Score, Tripple Score... the market is insane right now.. over saturated with mid-level detectors. Just my 2 cents.
At the end of day Garrett will have decided its fate with what they took how many years to produce? I will be the first to admit that Ive never owned a Garret metal detector and maybe there will be enough curious people out there to take the plunge and spend $440-$600. But than again thats why we have you for...LOL so you can buy and show it to us so we can make up our own minds. I guess when you are a consumer and deciding whether to plunk down half a G note on something or not you tend to lift the hood and kick the tires a bit. We must be critical, for some they may only be able to buy a new machine once every how many years. We cant always rose tint things when theyre evident but again I look forward to your vids reviewing it. I have criticisms of the manticore and Deus II too. Manticore has poor battery life in high conductor mode, D2 RC falls off, etc.
waiting to see tests on this one!!
You and me both!
Thanks for vid.
You bet
Just not sure about any of the three variants of this Vortex. Missing a few features that most mfg’s are incorporating in even so-called basic or lower end machines, right out the gate doesn’t sit well. Who knows until it gets in some good testers hands though as to how it’ll actually perform. I’m not sure it’ll find a home in my current lineup of seven Minelab and Nokta machines but I won’t judge it fully until it hits the streets and we see some feedback from experienced users…the last thing Garrett needs is another Apex abortion to deal with.
The more companies, the better..pushing each other over the limit, will benefit us, the users. Who cares if it’s american, australian or Chinese
Fair point.
What the cost of firmware update? Go from 5-7? 5-9?
$85 from v5 to v7 and $65 from v7 to v9
Hope the testing proves it to be at lease to the level of the legend.
Time will tell
Im pulling for the American company but i am seeing a lot of important features missing out of this detector that you would expect a mid to high end level detector to have in this new age of detectors. I hope it performs like a beast but it is missing some key features that I am thinking is going to hold it back from being a top performing detector. I hope to God I am wrong. Lets Gooo !! USA we can do this.
We'll have to wait and see.
Sounds about like update like on the xpdeus
Your right about that crowded market price range Wow! and like you said, give it a chance,
It's not going to be no Manticore people , anyway thanks Scott.....I got to get up for that Zoom next time :(
Thank you, yep lets give it a chance.
If you beat the crap out of the physical machine, which I have to do hauling it around the woods relic hunting, a software upgrade would just be a new set of wheels on a beater.
So you want a more expensive machine that you have to replace the parts and cost more in the long run?
I'm like you we need a great US. made detector. It will have to be as good or better than sim priced ones for me to buy but I am a shooter IF......
we'll have to wait and see.
@@MentalMetal I already got my opinion and it is no! Garrett failed miserably..... They need to get their head out the a**
Got it, I'll put you down as a "maybe" :) jk.
@@MentalMetal Lol brother. I really was hoping as I stated above. but you know I should of expected it to be a flop history of the company should of told me. I used to when I was a kid dreaming of a good detector to buy it was never a Garrett it was a white or a freaking bounty hunter I dreamed about hahahahahha!!!!
This machine isn't going to cut it, I'm afraid. Value for money from what iv seen plus the prices youv mentioned don't include headphones in the price, these are an extra, around a hundred pounds extra for a very basic machine.
Perhaps or it might be ok. We'll have to wait and see.
Hope it works out for them. Kenny
Same here.
I'll stick with minelab. Not to appealing to me .
So how long before someone figures out how to hack it to unlock all the features without paying? I give it a year.
Come on now... give them a chance.
I see nothing exciting, id rather dig out my 600 or 800.......love my Manticore
Those machines are good no doubt about it but we need to give them a chance and see what actually comes out.
The new Garrett Vortex aka “Smurf machine” is a disaster! Doesn’t even compete with Minelabs entry level machines. Garrett cost cutting all over this machine with the same coil/headphones as the 15 year old at pro. If only Garrett spent as much money on product development as celebrity colaberations they may have been competitive. Garrett is going downhill fast.
I need to know where you all find your crystal balls. You guys can bash it all you want. I'll wait until it comes out. This isn't that type of channel my friend. We don't bash other companies. You should probably stick to those other channels if you want that type of audience.
Nothing special about this...sounds more like a marketing scam. Now, maybe I'm not giving it due credit, but it sure sounds like a slightly updated ATPro..
The facts are that Garrett’s commercial sales are obviously subsidizing their hobby detectors, because they’ve completely lost any competitive advantages years ago. You say that people are dogging it without having it in hand, and I’m one of them. I buy every single new detector that comes out, put 100 hours on the, then sell them or keep them. That lets me form my own opinion instead of rely on anyone else’s. In the past 5 years, no other detector has been as big a disappointment as the Apex, and I’m calling it now that this won’t be any different. But I’ll check back here after 100 hours to say, “I told ya so} 😂. The worst thing about this detector is it got Calabash Digger making videos again, which is the biggest downside of this release 🤪
You have the right to make your own opinion even if you don't have it in your hands yet, I just don't understand why you can be so pointed and negative for something we haven't seen in the field yet.
@@MentalMetal Because they have a track record of disappointing releases, and haven't put out a good detector since the AT Pro, which was only so good because it was waterproof and priced right for the time. If someone walks up to you and slaps you in the face every time they see you, eventually you have to assume that you're getting slapped in the face when you see them walking up. Sure, the safe opinion when you have a TH-cam channel to not piss off the zealots is to say "wait and see".
Yep and I'll continue to hold judgement, I'm not out for creating click bait , sorry not my thing and this channel has always been about trying to help others out there. I'll continue to stay the course and if the machine is a fail, you just won't seem me using it. Simple as that.
@@MentalMetal there is nothing wrong with you continuing to hold judgement, just as there is nothing wrong with people judging it.
If the only difference between them is software. That show that they all cost the same to manufacturer. That's probably not going to be a good strategy. There may be enough die hard fan boys to make it work but I don't think most people will fall for this stupidity.
Time will tell I guess.
Looks like this Garrett detector is missing a ton of features, I’m very disappointed in Garrett. I’ll be buying a new Minelab, it’s a hard pass on Garrett
I'm waiting until we see some field tests.
they used the same reel as 15 years ago, same design, no flashlight or vibration, the rod without carbon fiber will be heavy, garetta should hire young engineers instead of old guys
I hear you but I bet if polled most owners who have flashlight and vibration feature that they would tell you they never use it. Carbon fiber (if not made correctly) will break but it is lighter for sure. I'm hoping the performance will be good. If not, then the book of Garrett could be finished.