Pulled out a medieval spur buckle, a lead horse pendant a George I Woods Hibernian hapenny and a lovely Henry IV heavy coinage half penny earlier using these settings. Excellent all round programme. Highly recommended.
Michael, I must say the legacy program is brilliant. 3 occasions I have been out with it totalling 16 hours. Like you stated, you miss nothing and virtually no what you are digging. I only got caught out on a couple of massive pieces of iron. Like you stated, you hear everything and can walk away from the rubbish. My go to program was Gary Blackwells TEKNA but sir the LEGACY will be the only 1 I need on all my permissions. Absolutely brilliant Michael and thank you for sharing....Kind regards Ian....YBD
Let me know how you get on with this Program. It will take abit of learning because you hear so much more than the standard stock programs but once mastered will be a valuable tool in your box 👍👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting Much appreciated, it is a program that will needs getting used to. But will put it to the test for sure and share my success with it. Cheers and thanks again. W.
I've used this program over the last 2 weeks on pasture and the beach. I've also tried most of the other custom programs out there. This is by far the best one yet. It's the easiest of programs to read in the field, too. Thanks for sharing it.
Great quality video, I’ve always found sensitive to have the most punch out of all the programs, I’ll give this a go in my test bed. I would probably go down to 2 or lower to really clean out those clean fields but 3 is a good bet for all scenarios. Thanks for sharing 😊
For me, the best metal detector was Tesoro Lobo Supertraq. It has very good sensitivity and detects 1 gram of gold at a depth of 40 cm when using a discriminator, which does not give false signals on iron, like absolutely all modern digital metal detectors. All new products scare me with false work of discriminators and menu diving. I did a test, put 1 gram of gold between 50 grams of iron. Tesoro beeped only on gold! I removed the gold and it was silent. There is no such joy in any of the most expensive metal detectors of 2024 without a significant loss of sensitivity. I regret that I sold the Tesoro Lobo Supertraq and that it is impossible to buy it today. This metal detector has many ingenious advantages that all new products do not have. And coins of the same size as yours were found in the video at the 9th minute in the garbage discrimination mode of Tesoro Lobo Supertaq at 50...55 cm in the ground.
I used this on a small field that I had pounded many times. I did find a couple of small nonferrous targets that I had missed, but I was also having to deal with a lot of false high tones from iron--much more than I'm used to when running SensFT, General or Tekkna. Most of the time, the falsing did go away on a cross swing, so I knew that the target was iron. But I spent a lot of extra time having to make that judgement. I want to try this program in a cleaner field with less iron and see how it does. I did end up increasing the Silencer to 2 to help reduce the falsing, and it helped a bit. Thanks for all the time you spent creating this program and for sharing it! I will definitely give it another go on some other sites.
@@OldAsDirtRelicHunting hey, thanks for your feedback. Increasing the silencer will actually make the falsing worse. With legacy, it will tell you it’s iron simply by the audio and to confirm it, the numbers will jump around and not be steady. Anything that’s a clean target will always sound good from all directions and the numbers will be steady and not jump around. It’s a learning curve but once you master it you won’t dig iron or junk as none of it sounds sweet. The program screams iron at you letting you decide rather than masking it or discriminating it out 👍
Hey, thanks again Michael - for all your hard work and expertise here!... Finally starting to get out more, up here in the 'Frozen North' 🥶 - so plan to test in next couple of days... Thanks again anyways matey, and hope to keep in touch, Bobby 👊 🐭
Bobby mate 😃 frozen north?!… can’t be that cold in Manchester! And anyway, you northern lot are immune to cold 😂 Deffo give this one a go, it’s taken a long time to get this far with the program but it surprises me every time I go out 👍👍
Ha - True mate, on the temperature... It's really the *Rainfall* in Sth. Manchester which can kill it... Better now tho' an' I was out for a full day yesterday... 🌞🙏🏻 An' yeah, can't wait to try this new one Michael - if it's much deeper than F2, then I'll take a box of Castlemaine XXXX out with me - in case I dig thru to the 'other side!' 🐨🦘 😆🤣 Cheers mate, an' will report back!!... 🥰 🙏🏻
Michael, I must say the legacy program is brilliant. 3 occasions I have been out with it totalling 16 hours. Like you stated, you miss nothing and virtually no what you are digging. I only got caught out on a couple of massive pieces of iron. Like you stated, you hear everything and can walk away from the rubbish. My go to program was Gary Blackwells TEKNA but sir the LEGACY will be the only 1 I need on all my permissions. Absolutely brilliant Michael and thank you for sharing....Kind regards Ian....YBD
@@YorkshireBoysDetecting1966 that’s awesome guys, what a result! The more you use it the more you will understand the audio and the more you will find. Great to hear you are enjoying it so much and thanks for the feedback 👍👍
Well I tried this yesterday for the first time on pasture which i have done before and I absolutely love it clear signals well and truly stable this is my program to use from now, I will be trying it in the water next time to see how it goes I do have my own program I use in the water and it will be good to see how the Legacy performs thankyou for sharing this program 👌
@@AQUAMARTMDUK hey Marty, great feedback! Glad you are enjoying the program. I would love to hear how you get on with it under water so please drop by and let me know how you get on. All the best my friend and good luck! Michael 👍👍
I used it today and I'm not a fan! I usually switch between Sensitive FT ( Tekna ) and General ( Forager but with square high tones ). Sure it wasn't missing much, but it was finding a lot of crap as well. I don't think I've dug as much burnt material and broken tin cans. IT also sounded off nicely with some broken shotgun cartridges. Went back to my other modes and found 20 musket balls, buckles etc :) - Not for me, but maybe others will be good
Thanks for the feedback Neil. As the program is very open have to rely more on the audio to tell you what’s good and what’s not. It takes some practise but it will be worth it buddy 👍👍
Tried this programme yesterday for the first time. I found my first hammered and a cannon ball and I have tried this field a few times before. Could just be a coincidence but first impression it's a quite a noisy programme but you can identify a lot of signals
Oh wow, congratulations buddy! Sounds like you had a good day. Legacy lets you hear everything (except ground noise) and lets you decide what to dig. Maybe it was a combination of the user and program working in harmony 👍👍
We found from testing across lots of different sites that 1.9 was the best all round at eliminating ground noise while letting iron still come through. Tone 2 (197hz) takes care of the iron. It was a long process making this one but the outcome was a very powerful program. Let me know how you get on 👍👍
Hi mate I tried your program on the beach it had mixed results pound coins at 6inchs were a bit scratchy on a 96 sensitivity still continuing to try different adjustments to get that sweet spot for my local beach
Thanks Sean. The problem with modern coinage is the amount of mixed metals in them, especially ferrous metal. The program will instantly know if it’s not a base metal and make it sound scratchy. It’s basically looking for the solid copper, silver etc. thanks for the update 👍👍
Ok just put this program onto my D2. Going on soon to a place I've done a lot recently with not much luck. Will be quick to find out if it's got an edge over the default programs - I'll be back with an update!
@@Saxon_TAG hey Luke, thanks for watching! I’m sure you will like this one but please definitely make sure you let me know how you get on. Good luck buddy 👍👍
Great question Jase! So this one would be much better on sites where you know there are good things to be found as it misses nothing. It will be a little more noisy than forager but when you master it you won’t miss a thing guaranteed mate 👍👍
Buenas noches gracias por compartir tu trabajo con nosotros. He probado el programa y e notado que suena mejor si mueves el plato rápido, mi manera de andar es más lenta ¿ como podría adaptarlo?
The WS6 video is coming next week. I do have a video on how to put the Forager program onto the ws6 so feel free to use that in the meantime but put these settings in for Legacy. Thanks for watching 👍
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Hi, thanks for your message! Yes please do let me know how you get on with this one. If your ground is very polluted feel free to push the reactivity up abit for better target separation. Look forward to hearing how you get on. Best of luck my friend 👍👍
@@williampaxton871 frequency max at 24khz will not miss gold rings. I have found gold rings on 14khz. Very fine gold chains perhaps however you would struggle with those at 40khz. I guess it all depends on what you want find versus what you don’t 👍👍
Ok. Been thinking about it... Maybe you in Legacy have a form of 2, two, Discr features? Discr 1.9 and iron volume zero, and volume zero, which will silence everything up to 1.9. Tone break no2 at 34 set to low hz (I would use 100hz) and volume at 10! Then you create another Discr level for iron grunt up to 34. Not a bad idea! Will have a test around this. The 1.9 and iron vol zero maybe calms the ground a bit? Thanks for thoughts! 🇸🇪🙏
I like how your mind works! So yes the legacy program bypasses the conventional “discrimination” and uses the tones. Technically you are correct, discrimination is simply adjusting your first tone break “the iron break”. Legacy lets iron come through (tone 2) and tone 1 is simply ground noise which is muted. If you adjusted discrimination all you are effectively doing is moving the first tone break up and down. Hope this helps 👍👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting. This requires 1.1 or 2.0 as you have the separate volume control of every tone break. I am on 0.71 but your technique make me think of upgrading to 1.1 ... Separate volume control is essential. 😁🙏👨🦯
in clean ground like your fields why dont you use reactivity 1 or 1,5 or 2 to gain some depth by lowering it instead of 3.just wondering.except from this your program looks good
Although a low reactivity will get you better depth in clean ground you will compromise in recovery speed. My swing speed suits a more middle of the road reactivity which still goes very deep 👍
Another question for you. My two buddies both are using the Legacy program and have noticed a large drop off in nickels. is this typical of the program and can it be compensated for? Bill
@@williampaxton871 hey Bill. Tell them if they put the b.cap discrim on zero they should find them again. B.Cap can have an adverse effect on shiny coins 👍👍
Hi mate! Watch the video on my channel where I put the forager program into the WS6 but obviously use the legacy program values. I’ll do a video next week on the ws6 input settings but it’s the same principle as forager just different settings 👍👍
So everything from tid 2 and upper should have the 2nd tone... very strange. Can't understand any benefit of it. Why just not to use SFT program with disc 3-6
@@hihikalo unlike sensitive FT, legacy bypasses the conventional discrimination in favour of precise tone breaks aimed at giving you far better audio information which can aide you in target separation. It does this by boosting the audio of ferrous making it stand out however, it will sound very different to high conductors. It is very different to sensitive FT and the performance is much better in our testing 👍👍
Is Tone 4 correct at 74? Can change the other settings for tone 4 but my controller will not allow me to increase or decrease it. Under programme 2 Sensitive, tone has no digits on the factory setting and will not permit increase or decrease.
@@gordondunbar2017 yes tone 4 is correct at 74. When you program the tones the last segment is preset because anything 74 and over is tone 4. Essentially putting the third tone segment to 74 means that anything over that is tone 4. Think of it as segments rather than tones as such. You will notice you cannot change the 74 but you can assign a volume etc to it 👍👍
I've seen this video a few times but I couldn't install it on my detector because I was on v0.7 so I updated it to 1.1 and tried it on the beach. Within 45 minutes in a small area I found £1-90,ear ring,button and a gold chain. Yes I did well BUT I have a few questions. I buried a 2p about 6" down and I couldn't pick it up on 96 sensitivity but it was clear on 99 sensitivity. Also does the machine chatter all the time as it was like walking over a iron plate as it grunts constantly till it comes to a target.
@@jazzy200971 firstly, great job on your finds! The issue you were having with the 2p is likely because of two things, check your mineralisation bar as if it is jumping around it will affect your performance hugely. Next time your on the beach put bottle cap discrim on 0 and that will help modern coins sing through without increasing sensitivity.
@@OMA_MetalDetecting I will try that today. So is the constant chatter normal then for the beach as this beach is full of iron and coke. I must add tho amongst the iron chatter I got a slight nice signal so I dug it and it was a 1p encrusted in iron which I probably would of dismissed on another program.....that was the only bit of iron I dug. I'm busting to try it on land but il need a jackhammer to dig a hole as the soil is like concrete at the moment. Also while swinging the numbers were staying around 25 till I got a good signal.
@@jazzy200971 I wouldn’t say it’s normal. When I run it on land it is usually really stable but of course some sand conditions are very mineralised which will give the constant chatter. Change the silencer up and down until it goes stable and don’t forget to do a frequency scan 👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting I managed to try out your legacy program again and on dry sand it's fine but as soon as you go onto anything wet it grunts constantly and changing the silencer,frequency scan doesn't help...I still found £6-95p. After the beach I managed to try it out on a small park I have local permission on and yes I still dug can slew,bottle tops,ring pulls,cans but I walked away about £19 richer and the program was stable on land. Maybe the legacy is a beach program but for dry sand only as wet sand it is just noisy...could be my beach tho so won't know till Sunday when I detect another beach.
@@jessestone3915 that’s a long video Jesse lol. In a nutshell shell, forager is a safer program that’s still sharp and definitely a useful tool in the box but legacy doesn’t discriminate anything above the ferrous range so lets you hear the ground more giving you more details about the ground 👍👍
@@martenpost3431 firstly make sure you have inputted the settings correctly. It is normal for the program to have some ground noise but it could also be that your hearing coke. The coke notch is removed but feel free to add one in somewhere between 23-33 and that should fix it. Not all places will be that noisy though. I think your mineralisation bar will be moving around abit which will prove it is likely coke that is causing it 👍
I loaded this program to try on the beach today. I tried all I could. The background noise was so load I had to stop using it. I reduced the sensitivity, the reactivity. It was unusable. Suggestions would be appreciated please
@@6349cf hi Cliff, this should be easily fixed by raising the discrimination up one by one until the machine start to be quiet. Some beaches are very mineralised so this adjustment will be crucial to maximise your performance 👍
@@6349cf just remember whatever you change not to save over legacy as this is site specific. Adjust each site from the base settings as you would with any program. Good luck
I went back to the beach & turned it on. Quiet as a mouse. I found £4 , a ring(junk) and an earring. That was on the dry pebbles. I took it to the wet pebbles , it went nuts again. I adjusted the discrimination as you suggested. I had to take it up to 46 before it would settle, but it worked. I now need to get rid of bottle tops . I will adjust that to 4/5 Thanks again for your help Regards Cliff from Brighton beach
@@6349cf the next time you use it, start at 1.9 discrimination but before increasing it put silencer on 1 but definitely no more than 1. Then adjust the discrimination up by one at a time and you should see it settle before 46 this time. Wet sand and pebbles can be very noisy so these things should give you the right steps to manage those areas. ATB 👍👍
@@fellanice you can of course ground balance but only when necessary. Personally I believe there is very few instances where you need to do it but I do realise sometimes it is essential 👍👍
@@ESIOPESSOA technically the program will work with any base program however the features demonstrated are untested on all except Sensative. Give it a go and see how it goes 👍
Having bottle cap discrim won’t really effect the performance of the program however allot of people in the states will turn it off because with it on can reject shiny objects like modern coins etc. I have it on two simply to eliminate miss shaped iron but there is no harm in tweaking it to your ground 👍👍
@@DianTomov_ST_Dupont_Lighters the Legacy program bypasses the conventional iron volume in favour of a tone break. Iron volume usually changes the volume of tone break 1 up and down whereas this program uses ground noise for tone break 1 and iron is on 2 👍
@@kylefreemason I use this all the time in heavily infested iron sites without any issue. For iron sites maybe change discrim to 2.1, sensitivity 93 and silencer 1. Along as you don’t mind hearing the iron this will find you everything in amongst it 👍
I programmed Forager into the puck for my previous dig and it was absolutely awesome. I swear the audio level was increasing the closer I hovered over the target. I have just put this into the puck for tomorrow. Only thing I cannot find on the puck is to set the volume levels via the Equaliser ... I "think" they are all latched ? So I have set it at 5. Please correct me if I am wrong and I will try and find another video that better explains the Equaliser on the master. Once again, I really appreciate all that you do for the hobby. While I am myself very new to detecting (although do have an RF background), I find it better to follow the changes to the default program on which the custom program is based while listening /comparing both programs on the same target. If that makes sense ;) Best wishes from north yorks
Hi Steve! Thank you for your message and kind comments. There is a video on my channel to program Forager onto the WS6 puck and I demonstrate how to change the equaliser Db values. If you watch that video it should show you what you need to do on yours for Legacy. Let me know how you get on 👍👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting - dB settings done fine - just realised I attributed the volume question to Equaliser and NOT within the Tones area, my apols. Eg 1st TB @1.9, 211Hz but unsure how to set the Volume to zero and of course subsequent volumes for TB2, 3 and 4.
@@CosmicDigs got ya! So you will need to make sure you are on either 1.1 or 2.0 or you won’t have the option to change the volume of each tone. If you are on one of those then you simply get to the volume by pressing the menu button again as you scroll through the tones 👍
Michael, I gave the Legacy 8 hours today on a mix of pasture and stubble. Also compared it against your Forager and the base setting 1-General. You are correct, it really does pick up all conductors but, in a nice way. Previously I tried Magnet which I liked but it was too chatty on some of the ground I detect on but, the Legacy just "purred", it was not over chatty at all and I even raised the sensitivity to 97 and at one stage it was holding its own on 98. Eleccy fence did cause some issues (as it would on most multi-frequency modes). 20m away it was fine .... does pick up a Manticore though (so does most other XP settings lol). Again, 20m away and that subsided. I have made a list of custom programs and settings I wish to try out thanks to this group but I will be honest, of the four I have tried so far, this is an absolute keeper - but ears are key. Todays finds included - a complete mix ... tinfoil, lead, a few coins, couple of cartridges including a .303 .... unsure on a lot of items though. All in all, I enjoyed Forager but this is like Forager on steroids 😉 Oh, I have made one small change and went from PWM to Square. Also, prob me missing something, but cannot seem to get "large numbers" on the WS6 puck with this. I will wait for your WS6 video coming out. Thanks again Michael 🙂
As a artifact/relic hunter unfortunately this program would not help much. Imagine how many barrel hoop arrows and iron spears not to mention a possible lance one could miss.train your ears to distinguish from modern iron sounds and learn the sound of blacksmith hand worked iron and you’ll be leaving the field with Viking axe heads and much more 😊
You could easily fix that if you want to find iron targets. Just change the second tone break to something like 437hz or, press the G.B button once and you will enter all metal mode. Thanks for your comment 👍
@@ESIOPESSOA in a way that is good because it’s picking everything up. It’s better suited for deep detecting so if you try it side by side on one of those it will shine 👍👍
come on man ..9 inches is not deep for a modern expensive detector .. i have the deues 2 and the minelab ctx 3030 and the mindlab 800 .. still think the deus2 is a expensive second choice .to the 800 no where near the ctx for depth or target ID ... i love the build of the deus2 lightish and no cables love the control box but it fails with the Iron falsing . maybe if deus ever get to grips with a proper Iron knock out in a update. then my views WILL change . i have been using it for two and bit years now and still think the minelab tech is for more advanced when it comes to depth and Target Id .. this is not a knock on the machine it is a comparison and there will be those who only use one machine all their days .. i have no loyalty to any one company or machine .. but i still not convinced that the deus2 is worth the price tag . this machine struggles with Iron and if Iron is near a none ferrous target or if iron has a round edge the deus 2 will pick up the iron and it struggles to ID the none Iron target ... unless you have a video for that. to sort out that. .. but Iron nails with a round head will sound iron and none iron and if a coin is next to that you will just walk over it .. on the ctx you would not hear the iron just the good target .. if you noch out coke you will lose those small hammered coins in the uk .. coke comes in 25/30ish so do hammerd coins .. far to much EMI with the deus2 .. and that can be a huge issue i do not get with a minelab machine ... so i am not convinced that deus 2 is finding those targets that my other machines have not picked up .. and the depth is just a myth sorry to say ...
@@StevieMoore-q3c in some ground conditions 9 inches is very deep especially for small targets. Our testing has proved that with the legacy program the Deus 2 can go much deeper but varying factors can either increase or decrease that. Having a specialised program that runs wide open means you can confidently use your detector knowing that if you go over something good you will have a far greater chance of finding it 👍👍
I’m starting to believe this videos are fake..how was that field detected over and over if u got that buckle 4 inches into the ground..i could have found that with my first metal detector..makes no sense
People rush and miss things! A field is never done especially with a decent program. I have done patches of ground I’ve been over before with the same machine but a different program and found things I missed. Try it 👍👍
A field is never done to death. I found a half gold sovereign 3yrs after doing the same field almost every weekend and it's had atleast(what I've seen) 9 detectorists doing the same field and it wasn't even a big field either.
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Pulled out a medieval spur buckle, a lead horse pendant a George I Woods Hibernian hapenny and a lovely Henry IV heavy coinage half penny earlier using these settings. Excellent all round programme. Highly recommended.
Thanks Peter, I have not found a reason why I shouldn’t use this program yet. Keep up those amazing finds mate 👍👍
Great to hear Peter - just put it inot my remote, and hoping to test in next day or so... 🙏🏻
Michael, I must say the legacy program is brilliant. 3 occasions I have been out with it totalling 16 hours.
Like you stated, you miss nothing and virtually no what you are digging. I only got caught out on a couple of massive pieces of iron. Like you stated, you hear everything and can walk away from the rubbish. My go to program was Gary Blackwells TEKNA but sir the LEGACY will be the only 1 I need on all my permissions.
Absolutely brilliant Michael and thank you for sharing....Kind regards Ian....YBD
@@OMA_MetalDetecting for 5/12 months hi heat land 40+.high in iron.12 cage cartridges and cans is this program useful sit???!
Thanks so much, will give this a try !! Cheers.
Let me know how you get on with this Program. It will take abit of learning because you hear so much more than the standard stock programs but once mastered will be a valuable tool in your box 👍👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting Much appreciated, it is a program that will needs getting used to. But will put it to the test for sure and share my success with it. Cheers and thanks again. W.
Thanks Michael for all your hard work and time put into this programme 👍 🤝🤙
Thank you Chris 😉👍
I've used this program over the last 2 weeks on pasture and the beach. I've also tried most of the other custom programs out there. This is by far the best one yet. It's the easiest of programs to read in the field, too. Thanks for sharing it.
That’s amazing to hear you are enjoying so much. Thanks allot for dropping by and leaving feedback, it’s much appreciated. Good luck 👍👍
Great quality video, I’ve always found sensitive to have the most punch out of all the programs, I’ll give this a go in my test bed. I would probably go down to 2 or lower to really clean out those clean fields but 3 is a good bet for all scenarios. Thanks for sharing 😊
Added the Legacy programme yesterday, tried today, superb. Thank you. Really good sounding tones that told me everything before I dug the target.
@@woofusdad thanks for dropping by and letting me know Alan, glad to hear it’s working for you bud 👍👍
Brilliant programme I been using it for 3 months now didn't know someone else was working on it congratulations Michael
Thank you Susan, really good to hear it is working for you too. Michael 👍👍
Interesting setup, I will definitely try this out - thanks for sharing.
No problem! Please stop back here and let me know what you think and good luck my friend 👍👍
Bloody brilliant as always! Nice to have someone doing programs as well as digs
Thanks Neil, much appreciated comment 👍👍
For me, the best metal detector was Tesoro Lobo Supertraq. It has very good sensitivity and detects 1 gram of gold at a depth of 40 cm when using a discriminator, which does not give false signals on iron, like absolutely all modern digital metal detectors. All new products scare me with false work of discriminators and menu diving. I did a test, put 1 gram of gold between 50 grams of iron. Tesoro beeped only on gold! I removed the gold and it was silent. There is no such joy in any of the most expensive metal detectors of 2024 without a significant loss of sensitivity. I regret that I sold the Tesoro Lobo Supertraq and that it is impossible to buy it today. This metal detector has many ingenious advantages that all new products do not have.
And coins of the same size as yours were found in the video at the 9th minute in the garbage discrimination mode of Tesoro Lobo Supertaq at 50...55 cm in the ground.
I used this on a small field that I had pounded many times. I did find a couple of small nonferrous targets that I had missed, but I was also having to deal with a lot of false high tones from iron--much more than I'm used to when running SensFT, General or Tekkna. Most of the time, the falsing did go away on a cross swing, so I knew that the target was iron. But I spent a lot of extra time having to make that judgement. I want to try this program in a cleaner field with less iron and see how it does. I did end up increasing the Silencer to 2 to help reduce the falsing, and it helped a bit. Thanks for all the time you spent creating this program and for sharing it! I will definitely give it another go on some other sites.
@@OldAsDirtRelicHunting hey, thanks for your feedback. Increasing the silencer will actually make the falsing worse. With legacy, it will tell you it’s iron simply by the audio and to confirm it, the numbers will jump around and not be steady. Anything that’s a clean target will always sound good from all directions and the numbers will be steady and not jump around. It’s a learning curve but once you master it you won’t dig iron or junk as none of it sounds sweet.
The program screams iron at you letting you decide rather than masking it or discriminating it out 👍
Hey, thanks again Michael - for all your hard work and expertise here!... Finally starting to get out more, up here in the 'Frozen North' 🥶 - so plan to test in next couple of days... Thanks again anyways matey, and hope to keep in touch, Bobby 👊 🐭
Bobby mate 😃 frozen north?!… can’t be that cold in Manchester! And anyway, you northern lot are immune to cold 😂
Deffo give this one a go, it’s taken a long time to get this far with the program but it surprises me every time I go out 👍👍
Ha - True mate, on the temperature... It's really the *Rainfall* in Sth. Manchester which can kill it... Better now tho' an' I was out for a full day yesterday... 🌞🙏🏻 An' yeah, can't wait to try this new one Michael - if it's much deeper than F2, then I'll take a box of Castlemaine XXXX out with me - in case I dig thru to the 'other side!' 🐨🦘 😆🤣 Cheers mate, an' will report back!!... 🥰 🙏🏻
@@UkuleleBobbyKempmake sure you warm up before going out Bobby because your going to be digging deep holes my friend 😉👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting Ha, excellent! an' will do mate... 👊 💪
Michael, I must say the legacy program is brilliant. 3 occasions I have been out with it totalling 16 hours.
Like you stated, you miss nothing and virtually no what you are digging. I only got caught out on a couple of massive pieces of iron. Like you stated, you hear everything and can walk away from the rubbish. My go to program was Gary Blackwells TEKNA but sir the LEGACY will be the only 1 I need on all my permissions.
Absolutely brilliant Michael and thank you for sharing....Kind regards Ian....YBD
@@YorkshireBoysDetecting1966 that’s awesome guys, what a result! The more you use it the more you will understand the audio and the more you will find. Great to hear you are enjoying it so much and thanks for the feedback 👍👍
Well I tried this yesterday for the first time on pasture which i have done before and I absolutely love it clear signals well and truly stable this is my program to use from now, I will be trying it in the water next time to see how it goes I do have my own program I use in the water and it will be good to see how the Legacy performs thankyou for sharing this program 👌
@@AQUAMARTMDUK hey Marty, great feedback! Glad you are enjoying the program. I would love to hear how you get on with it under water so please drop by and let me know how you get on. All the best my friend and good luck! Michael 👍👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting will for sure let you know how it goes in the water Michael 👍good luck happy hunting
Awesome, can't wait to try it out this weekend!
Enjoy it Dan. Let me know how you get on 👍👍
I used it today and I'm not a fan! I usually switch between Sensitive FT ( Tekna ) and General ( Forager but with square high tones ). Sure it wasn't missing much, but it was finding a lot of crap as well. I don't think I've dug as much burnt material and broken tin cans. IT also sounded off nicely with some broken shotgun cartridges. Went back to my other modes and found 20 musket balls, buckles etc :) - Not for me, but maybe others will be good
Thanks for the feedback Neil. As the program is very open have to rely more on the audio to tell you what’s good and what’s not. It takes some practise but it will be worth it buddy 👍👍
Thank you, I've programmed this in my Deus 2 and will test it this week
I don't use a Deus, but I find the technical info interesting non the less. Some nice treasure revealed with that machine for sure.
Thanks Fred, I appreciate your support buddy 👍👍
Just set the D2 up with this programme, looking forward to trying it , thanks Michael.
Michael looks good program will try next time I go detecting all the best
Thanks Bobby. Let me know how you get on 👍👍
Tried this programme yesterday for the first time. I found my first hammered and a cannon ball and I have tried this field a few times before. Could just be a coincidence but first impression it's a quite a noisy programme but you can identify a lot of signals
Oh wow, congratulations buddy! Sounds like you had a good day. Legacy lets you hear everything (except ground noise) and lets you decide what to dig. Maybe it was a combination of the user and program working in harmony 👍👍
Hi my friend from Portugal, oporto, thks for the Legacy, yes it was very nice program, thks
Hi buddy! Glad you enjoy legacy and I hope it brings you good luck 👍👍
Isto é bom para apanhar chouriços
I will try it out, 1.9 Desc. Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
We found from testing across lots of different sites that 1.9 was the best all round at eliminating ground noise while letting iron still come through.
Tone 2 (197hz) takes care of the iron.
It was a long process making this one but the outcome was a very powerful program. Let me know how you get on 👍👍
Hi mate I tried your program on the beach it had mixed results pound coins at 6inchs were a bit scratchy on a 96 sensitivity still continuing to try different adjustments to get that sweet spot for my local beach
Thanks Sean. The problem with modern coinage is the amount of mixed metals in them, especially ferrous metal. The program will instantly know if it’s not a base metal and make it sound scratchy. It’s basically looking for the solid copper, silver etc. thanks for the update 👍👍
Used this on a dig where fields were very quiet, managed a hammered coin,crotal bell and shell fuse cone first time out with this program.
Awesome John, that’s great to hear! Sounds like you had a great day. Thanks for letting me know 👍👍
Ok just put this program onto my D2. Going on soon to a place I've done a lot recently with not much luck. Will be quick to find out if it's got an edge over the default programs - I'll be back with an update!
@@Saxon_TAG hey Luke, thanks for watching! I’m sure you will like this one but please definitely make sure you let me know how you get on. Good luck buddy 👍👍
Hi Michael, thanks again for all your efforts. I will be putting this program in. Q, in what situations would I use this over the Forager 2? Thanks 🎉
Great question Jase! So this one would be much better on sites where you know there are good things to be found as it misses nothing. It will be a little more noisy than forager but when you master it you won’t miss a thing guaranteed mate 👍👍
@OMA_MetalDetecting , nice one, I have it loaded, just need to get out there again, the ground has been like concrete lol
Buenas noches gracias por compartir tu trabajo con nosotros. He probado el programa y e notado que suena mejor si mueves el plato rápido, mi manera de andar es más lenta ¿ como podría adaptarlo?
Hi Michael. Thanks so much. Is there a tutorial on how to put it on my puck please? Newbie and never added a custom progr as yet to my WS6 - 😊
The WS6 video is coming next week. I do have a video on how to put the Forager program onto the ws6 so feel free to use that in the meantime but put these settings in for Legacy. Thanks for watching 👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting ahh! Good thinking lol 😂 thank you. Look forward to the next vid too. Keep up the good work 😜
@@MakingItOutOfTheWoods thank you buddy! Appreciate your support 🙏
Un bonjour de france !
Je test ca ce soir ,j ai deja mes propres programmes qui fonctionne a merveille pour ici ,mais qui sais 😅 peut etre une révélations ce soir ,en tout cas ,rien d aberrant, programme cohérent donc ,why not!
A moi les monnaies romaine ,je suis dans la region de nimes ,la ou les romains on bien vecu !
A suivre ,je viendrais donner mon retour sous mon commentaires !
Hi, thanks for your message! Yes please do let me know how you get on with this one. If your ground is very polluted feel free to push the reactivity up abit for better target separation.
Look forward to hearing how you get on. Best of luck my friend 👍👍
Graciar por compartir tu trabajo sin pedir nada a cambio , lo pasare a mis compañeros de España
You’re very welcome. I am just happy I can share this stuff with like minded people. Greetings from the UK 👍👍
Ojala en España nos dejarán practicarlo sin temor a ser multados o algo peor , que envidia me dais.
let's go let's go treasure and adventure ✌👵
@@grandmakellymcdonald thanks 👍👍
1837 gold sov up for me today using the legacy 👍👍
@@southcerneysearchers woah! What a find, that’s a bucket lister for sure. Thanks so much for stopping by and letting me know. Awesome 👍👍
Hi,
the silver Schilling Sounds a little bit similiar to the first Iron Signal or am I wrong ?
Greetings from Germany
Hey, if you listen with headphones on you can hear the difference. That’s why I always say use headphones 👍👍
Good day Very nice video. Tell me on the basis of which factory program did you create your Legacy?
@@Oleksandr84 legacy uses program 2 (sensitive) as the base. Thanks watching 👍👍
How is this program on small gold? Quite ingenious but with the lower frequency will you miss gold rings at the beach for example?
@@williampaxton871 frequency max at 24khz will not miss gold rings. I have found gold rings on 14khz. Very fine gold chains perhaps however you would struggle with those at 40khz. I guess it all depends on what you want find versus what you don’t 👍👍
Thank you for getting back to my question. I'm going to give your program a try!
Ok. Been thinking about it...
Maybe you in Legacy have a form of 2, two, Discr features?
Discr 1.9 and iron volume zero, and volume zero, which will silence everything up to 1.9.
Tone break no2 at 34 set to low hz (I would use 100hz) and volume at 10!
Then you create another Discr level for iron grunt up to 34.
Not a bad idea! Will have a test around this.
The 1.9 and iron vol zero maybe calms the ground a bit?
Thanks for thoughts!
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I like how your mind works! So yes the legacy program bypasses the conventional “discrimination” and uses the tones. Technically you are correct, discrimination is simply adjusting your first tone break “the iron break”. Legacy lets iron come through (tone 2) and tone 1 is simply ground noise which is muted.
If you adjusted discrimination all you are effectively doing is moving the first tone break up and down.
Hope this helps 👍👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting.
This requires 1.1 or 2.0 as you have the separate volume control of every tone break.
I am on 0.71 but your technique make me think of upgrading to 1.1 ...
Separate volume control is essential. 😁🙏👨🦯
@@SpitfireExtra go 2.0, you won’t regret it 😉
@@OMA_MetalDetecting
😝 I did so! RC, WS6 and WSAxl are now on 2.0
Let's rockn roll! 😵💫🇸🇪👨🦯
@@SpitfireExtra wise move! Have a great weekend using legacy 👍
in clean ground like your fields why dont you use reactivity 1 or 1,5 or 2 to gain some depth by lowering it instead of 3.just wondering.except from this your program looks good
Although a low reactivity will get you better depth in clean ground you will compromise in recovery speed. My swing speed suits a more middle of the road reactivity which still goes very deep 👍
Thanks programmed in fingers crossed lol 👍👍
Stick at it Shaun, it will serve you well for am sure 👍👍
If you don't mind me asking ,where did you get your shorts from and what are they called , thanks 👍
You’re not the first person to ask me that Lee. They are engelbert-strauss my friend. Very comfy 👍👍
Another question for you. My two buddies both are using the Legacy program and have noticed a large drop off in nickels. is this typical of the program and can it be compensated for?
Bill
@@williampaxton871 hey Bill. Tell them if they put the b.cap discrim on zero they should find them again. B.Cap can have an adverse effect on shiny coins 👍👍
Hi buddy not sure how to put this program in my puck any help would be good
Regards Daz
Hi mate! Watch the video on my channel where I put the forager program into the WS6 but obviously use the legacy program values. I’ll do a video next week on the ws6 input settings but it’s the same principle as forager just different settings 👍👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting it’s ok I’ve done it now after watching your video a few times thanks can’t wait to get out with it now
All the best Daz
@@DevonDiggerDaz legend! Good luck buddy 👍👍
So everything from tid 2 and upper should have the 2nd tone... very strange. Can't understand any benefit of it.
Why just not to use SFT program with disc 3-6
@@hihikalo unlike sensitive FT, legacy bypasses the conventional discrimination in favour of precise tone breaks aimed at giving you far better audio information which can aide you in target separation. It does this by boosting the audio of ferrous making it stand out however, it will sound very different to high conductors. It is very different to sensitive FT and the performance is much better in our testing 👍👍
Will this work on V 2.0 ok?
Yep this will work on 2.0 firmware 👍👍
Is Tone 4 correct at 74? Can change the other settings for tone 4 but my controller will not allow me to increase or decrease it. Under programme 2 Sensitive, tone has no digits on the factory setting and will not permit increase or decrease.
@@gordondunbar2017 yes tone 4 is correct at 74. When you program the tones the last segment is preset because anything 74 and over is tone 4. Essentially putting the third tone segment to 74 means that anything over that is tone 4. Think of it as segments rather than tones as such. You will notice you cannot change the 74 but you can assign a volume etc to it 👍👍
If ground balance should not be done, what value should it be set at? 0?
I've seen this video a few times but I couldn't install it on my detector because I was on v0.7 so I updated it to 1.1 and tried it on the beach.
Within 45 minutes in a small area I found £1-90,ear ring,button and a gold chain.
Yes I did well BUT I have a few questions.
I buried a 2p about 6" down and I couldn't pick it up on 96 sensitivity but it was clear on 99 sensitivity.
Also does the machine chatter all the time as it was like walking over a iron plate as it grunts constantly till it comes to a target.
@@jazzy200971 firstly, great job on your finds! The issue you were having with the 2p is likely because of two things, check your mineralisation bar as if it is jumping around it will affect your performance hugely. Next time your on the beach put bottle cap discrim on 0 and that will help modern coins sing through without increasing sensitivity.
@@OMA_MetalDetecting I will try that today.
So is the constant chatter normal then for the beach as this beach is full of iron and coke.
I must add tho amongst the iron chatter I got a slight nice signal so I dug it and it was a 1p encrusted in iron which I probably would of dismissed on another program.....that was the only bit of iron I dug.
I'm busting to try it on land but il need a jackhammer to dig a hole as the soil is like concrete at the moment.
Also while swinging the numbers were staying around 25 till I got a good signal.
@@jazzy200971 I wouldn’t say it’s normal. When I run it on land it is usually really stable but of course some sand conditions are very mineralised which will give the constant chatter. Change the silencer up and down until it goes stable and don’t forget to do a frequency scan 👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting I managed to try out your legacy program again and on dry sand it's fine but as soon as you go onto anything wet it grunts constantly and changing the silencer,frequency scan doesn't help...I still found £6-95p.
After the beach I managed to try it out on a small park I have local permission on and yes I still dug can slew,bottle tops,ring pulls,cans but I walked away about £19 richer and the program was stable on land.
Maybe the legacy is a beach program but for dry sand only as wet sand it is just noisy...could be my beach tho so won't know till Sunday when I detect another beach.
This a better replacement for the forager program . be good to have a video on why the changes for each adjustment as a teaching curve
@@jessestone3915 that’s a long video Jesse lol. In a nutshell shell, forager is a safer program that’s still sharp and definitely a useful tool in the box but legacy doesn’t discriminate anything above the ferrous range so lets you hear the ground more giving you more details about the ground 👍👍
Hello, I have a lot of false sounds. Looks like EMI but isn't. Is this correct or am I doing something wrong?
@@martenpost3431 firstly make sure you have inputted the settings correctly. It is normal for the program to have some ground noise but it could also be that your hearing coke. The coke notch is removed but feel free to add one in somewhere between 23-33 and that should fix it.
Not all places will be that noisy though. I think your mineralisation bar will be moving around abit which will prove it is likely coke that is causing it 👍
I’ll try; thanks! 👍
I loaded this program to try on the beach today. I tried all I could. The background noise was so load I had to stop using it. I reduced the sensitivity, the reactivity. It was unusable. Suggestions would be appreciated please
@@6349cf hi Cliff, this should be easily fixed by raising the discrimination up one by one until the machine start to be quiet. Some beaches are very mineralised so this adjustment will be crucial to maximise your performance 👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting l will give it a try later.The program was spot on at home
@@6349cf just remember whatever you change not to save over legacy as this is site specific. Adjust each site from the base settings as you would with any program. Good luck
I went back to the beach & turned it on. Quiet as a mouse. I found £4 , a ring(junk) and an earring. That was on the dry pebbles. I took it to the wet pebbles , it went nuts again. I adjusted the discrimination as you suggested. I had to take it up to 46 before it would settle, but it worked.
I now need to get rid of bottle tops . I will adjust that to 4/5
Thanks again for your help
Regards Cliff from Brighton beach
@@6349cf the next time you use it, start at 1.9 discrimination but before increasing it put silencer on 1 but definitely no more than 1. Then adjust the discrimination up by one at a time and you should see it settle before 46 this time. Wet sand and pebbles can be very noisy so these things should give you the right steps to manage those areas. ATB 👍👍
Why no ground balance?
@@fellanice you can of course ground balance but only when necessary. Personally I believe there is very few instances where you need to do it but I do realise sometimes it is essential 👍👍
What happens if I use the praia program as a base for this legacy program?
@@ESIOPESSOA technically the program will work with any base program however the features demonstrated are untested on all except Sensative. Give it a go and see how it goes 👍
Hi is this OK with the 9in coil
@@markmoore7269 yep no problems at all with using this program with any of the range of coils 👍
@OMA_MetalDetecting thank you for replying will be trying it on sunday will let you know how it goes
michael, some people are turning b caps back to 0, what do you think
Having bottle cap discrim won’t really effect the performance of the program however allot of people in the states will turn it off because with it on can reject shiny objects like modern coins etc. I have it on two simply to eliminate miss shaped iron but there is no harm in tweaking it to your ground 👍👍
I think this will not work on a very very modern trashy area.. pull tabs will be making me crazy
If you don't dig the pull tabs you will miss the goldd rings
Its good for salt beach wetsand also?
@@edzisp tried and tested on the beach 👍👍
In 24 khz package the frequencies start at 7 khz!!!
An even better frequency range, thanks buddy 👍👍
Whats mean iron sound 0?
@@DianTomov_ST_Dupont_Lighters the Legacy program bypasses the conventional iron volume in favour of a tone break. Iron volume usually changes the volume of tone break 1 up and down whereas this program uses ground noise for tone break 1 and iron is on 2 👍
Work on 0.71 and 1.1 Version?
It will work as expected on 1.1 and 2.0 buddy 👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting This means that even without audio filters when Legacy bring nothing to 71 version?
@@Excellence2012 it will work on 0.71 but it has never been tested on that version. Let me know 👍
How is this in sites full of iron?
@@kylefreemason I use this all the time in heavily infested iron sites without any issue. For iron sites maybe change discrim to 2.1, sensitivity 93 and silencer 1. Along as you don’t mind hearing the iron this will find you everything in amongst it 👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting I will definitely give this a try.
what version are you running on im v 0.7 is it only for v2.0
He says in the video it's been set up for V1.1 or 2.0
It sounds like the deus 1?
All the benefits of the Deus 1 with the power of fast multi frequency 👍👍
Lost me at 4 tones mate. I’ll stick to Chris’s FT Pro program.
dose this work on v 1.1
@@aronmason3806 it sure does Aron 👍👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting ty
not far off 5k woot woot
@@ancientkernow Woop Woop! 🙌 👍
Thanks. For sharing.
My pleasure 👍👍
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Are you on v2
@@internetcash-365 yes but the program will work with 1.1 as well 👍👍
Okay thanks @@OMA_MetalDetecting
I programmed Forager into the puck for my previous dig and it was absolutely awesome. I swear the audio level was increasing the closer I hovered over the target. I have just put this into the puck for tomorrow. Only thing I cannot find on the puck is to set the volume levels via the Equaliser ... I "think" they are all latched ? So I have set it at 5. Please correct me if I am wrong and I will try and find another video that better explains the Equaliser on the master. Once again, I really appreciate all that you do for the hobby. While I am myself very new to detecting (although do have an RF background), I find it better to follow the changes to the default program on which the custom program is based while listening /comparing both programs on the same target. If that makes sense ;)
Best wishes from north yorks
Hi Steve! Thank you for your message and kind comments. There is a video on my channel to program Forager onto the WS6 puck and I demonstrate how to change the equaliser Db values. If you watch that video it should show you what you need to do on yours for Legacy. Let me know how you get on 👍👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting - dB settings done fine - just realised I attributed the volume question to Equaliser and NOT within the Tones area, my apols. Eg 1st TB @1.9, 211Hz but unsure how to set the Volume to zero and of course subsequent volumes for TB2, 3 and 4.
@@CosmicDigs got ya! So you will need to make sure you are on either 1.1 or 2.0 or you won’t have the option to change the volume of each tone. If you are on one of those then you simply get to the volume by pressing the menu button again as you scroll through the tones 👍
@@OMA_MetalDetecting - Thank you so much, that worked a treat :)
Michael, I gave the Legacy 8 hours today on a mix of pasture and stubble. Also compared it against your Forager and the base setting 1-General. You are correct, it really does pick up all conductors but, in a nice way. Previously I tried Magnet which I liked but it was too chatty on some of the ground I detect on but, the Legacy just "purred", it was not over chatty at all and I even raised the sensitivity to 97 and at one stage it was holding its own on 98.
Eleccy fence did cause some issues (as it would on most multi-frequency modes). 20m away it was fine .... does pick up a Manticore though (so does most other XP settings lol). Again, 20m away and that subsided.
I have made a list of custom programs and settings I wish to try out thanks to this group but I will be honest, of the four I have tried so far, this is an absolute keeper - but ears are key.
Todays finds included - a complete mix ... tinfoil, lead, a few coins, couple of cartridges including a .303 .... unsure on a lot of items though.
All in all, I enjoyed Forager but this is like Forager on steroids 😉
Oh, I have made one small change and went from PWM to Square.
Also, prob me missing something, but cannot seem to get "large numbers" on the WS6 puck with this. I will wait for your WS6 video coming out.
Thanks again Michael 🙂
As a artifact/relic hunter unfortunately this program would not help much. Imagine how many barrel hoop arrows and iron spears not to mention a possible lance one could miss.train your ears to distinguish from modern iron sounds and learn the sound of blacksmith hand worked iron and you’ll be leaving the field with Viking axe heads and much more 😊
You could easily fix that if you want to find iron targets. Just change the second tone break to something like 437hz or, press the G.B button once and you will enter all metal mode. Thanks for your comment 👍
This legacy program on the beach is not better than the detector's predefined programs.
@@ESIOPESSOA in a way that is good because it’s picking everything up. It’s better suited for deep detecting so if you try it side by side on one of those it will shine 👍👍
come on man ..9 inches is not deep for a modern expensive detector .. i have the deues 2 and the minelab ctx 3030 and the mindlab 800 .. still think the deus2 is a expensive second choice .to the 800 no where near the ctx for depth or target ID ... i love the build of the deus2 lightish and no cables love the control box but it fails with the Iron falsing . maybe if deus ever get to grips with a proper Iron knock out in a update. then my views WILL change . i have been using it for two and bit years now and still think the minelab tech is for more advanced when it comes to depth and Target Id .. this is not a knock on the machine it is a comparison and there will be those who only use one machine all their days .. i have no loyalty to any one company or machine .. but i still not convinced that the deus2 is worth the price tag . this machine struggles with Iron and if Iron is near a none ferrous target or if iron has a round edge the deus 2 will pick up the iron and it struggles to ID the none Iron target ... unless you have a video for that. to sort out that. .. but Iron nails with a round head will sound iron and none iron and if a coin is next to that you will just walk over it .. on the ctx you would not hear the iron just the good target .. if you noch out coke you will lose those small hammered coins in the uk .. coke comes in 25/30ish so do hammerd coins .. far to much EMI with the deus2 .. and that can be a huge issue i do not get with a minelab machine ... so i am not convinced that deus 2 is finding those targets that my other machines have not picked up .. and the depth is just a myth sorry to say ...
@@StevieMoore-q3c in some ground conditions 9 inches is very deep especially for small targets. Our testing has proved that with the legacy program the Deus 2 can go much deeper but varying factors can either increase or decrease that. Having a specialised program that runs wide open means you can confidently use your detector knowing that if you go over something good you will have a far greater chance of finding it 👍👍
I’m starting to believe this videos are fake..how was that field detected over and over if u got that buckle 4 inches into the ground..i could have found that with my first metal detector..makes no sense
People rush and miss things! A field is never done especially with a decent program. I have done patches of ground I’ve been over before with the same machine but a different program and found things I missed. Try it 👍👍
A place is never hunted out completely, new stuff always comes up, ground shifts, weather conditions change, spots get missed, ect
@@martinsmith2984n importe quoi ,on sent bien que vous avez jamais detecter ou que vous avez un detecteur à 70euro
Qu elle bouffon
@martinsmith2984 scroll on then and don't watch it, go and post your positivity elsewhere 😂
A field is never done to death.
I found a half gold sovereign 3yrs after doing the same field almost every weekend and it's had atleast(what I've seen) 9 detectorists doing the same field and it wasn't even a big field either.