@@stanettiels7367 completely agree! I’d hold onto what you can because it’s definitely not going to be an option one day. Plus it’s literally an investment if you get it now. It’s a physical product of value. Once it goes digital those days are gone :(
As much as I support physical media I can't help but prefer my digital library. I was never forced to get games digitally, it just happened naturally. I remember being stoked when the xbox 360 marketplace dropped as a kid, I honestly can't remember a game that I bought physically since then that I didn't eventually replace with a digital copy. Even all of my classic consoles have whatever mod I need to store the entire game's library on a hard drive, which has saved me what would equate to thousands upon thousands if it were all physical. In the case of tv/movies, I prefer having dvds because it saves me tons on streaming. But in the case of gaming, my only criticism is that PC has been a fully digital medium for what feels like 20 years now without any real criticism towards the change, and imo we aren't far off from consoles needing to compete with pc to sustain relevance (ps5 pro level pricing, the growing popularity of the steam deck, consumer trust transitioning from AAA to indie)
@@therealjaystone2344 But it is the thing that SEPERATES consoles from PC gaming. What's the difference if they take away the ability to physically buy/collect their games? A console then just becomes a cheap bad computer. and who wants that? There will be no incentive to buy consoles anymore. It is like they are eating their own market....
Exactly! That’s what I think the outcome would be. We’d all just save up for a good PC and move on from consoles. It’s disappointing Sony want that much money for a pro and then expect you to buy a disc reader separately for another £100. Not sure who they think had this sort of money to blow lol
@@GamerofOldAs soon as I saw the ps5 pro announcement I decided then and there that I'm switching to pc by next gen. I've always been envious of pc gamers since a kid (mostly due to mods and library selection), but now as an adult the practical use of a pc is too attractive even outside of gaming. All I needed was a financial incentive.
I will buy physical until i cant. Digital and physical should always be both options. And i personally think there should be laws around digital where they cant take it away. I dont like separate disc drive requires internet to setup. People willingly giving up their rights is wild. If these companies worded it as licensing for $70 vs buying for digital games i feel those people who say it’s the future will sing a different tune. Digital only puts power in store’s hands and you see sony increasing old games price. A lot of games do start digital only but get a physical later so im okay as long as games get physical at all
I agree with you but the ship has already sailed. The moment consoles became connected to the internet and discs started requiring patches/internet downloads, you no longer own the physical copy. They can patch the consoles to not read the disc or prevent any necessary patches/internet downloads to brick the game from running anymore. Or send a new patch to just brick the game. They have many tools at their disposal to make the disc unplayable now remotely. And if they wanted to pull a specific game from the market, they can just patch the console itself to no longer read that specific game.
@@ey5373 Most PS4/5 games still contain a fully playable version on the actual disc. Source: does it play. This is where emulation later one day comes in for PS4 (as it already has for PS3 and 360 now) for ultimate preservation and control, no console necessary. I agree it's a worsening situation and that they'll probably win in the end for future titles. But for the time being physical (when the data is on the disc) and GOG is the way to go when possible.
Thankfully the music industry is doing well with both. CD and vinyl sales are holding on and are slowly increasing in popularity as we speak. Let's hope the gaming industry follows suit.
I like physical discs. The ps5 disc version will be the last game system I buy. It's unfortunate that physical media is dying. People don't know what they have until it's gone and once physical media is completely dead, people will dislike it.
@@EJElijah kid nobody is an exaggeration of the LARGE majority of people (like 80 percent of ps5 users) that no longer buy games on disc anymore just because you still play them on disc doesn’t mean Sony is benefiting off of it and thus you are not entitled to everything you expect from them when that majority of people don’t care for what you want
Imagine a world where you got a free digital download of the game with every disc purchase? Or where you paid much less for the digital version because you don't own the license and Sony can kick you out of your account at anytime and bye bye digital game library?
@@latingringo89 I’m imagining it right now but sadly I doubt we will ever see it :( it’s gone the other way actually. I miss getting the game with a map and guide etc. all for $40 too! Now we get a digital game which comes with an outfit for your in game character for $100 lol
Yep same here as well. I own physically alot of consoles since the day's of super nintendo and so many game's over the year's. I'm pretty satisfied now i game on playstation 5 and the switch and it seems that's where I would have to jump off the train. One's it becomes a full digital and all gaming company's go full digital only that's where I take my leave and say goodbye. I've been gaming for 34 year's and that's pretty much good for me unfortunately every good thing must come to a end. I did truly enjoyed these gaming with my friends and family relatives for a long time and the game's. for the new generation of kids playing on these newer consoles or future consoles or pc I hope this is what you wanted and dreamed about. A all digital only game world sounds crazy to me and insane. Now California law will require online stores to disclose you are purchasing licenses for digital games, movies, music, and ebooks, not owning them. Wow we already know this foray year's but now it's really going to show right in front of your faces. I love owning my physical game's most ps4 and ps5 game's have a 1.0 version that works right of the box from beginning to end same switch game's. You don't even have to update them unless you want to. However some game's are down right broken and some need a online connection. For example the division 1&2 and destiny 1&2 and even the newer call of duty game's like black ops 4 and newer cods you can't even play single player offline without a internet connection you see how bad that is. When those servers shutdown and it will that's it like look what they did to your warzone you can't even transfer your old purchases from the old cod warzone to the new one. They really bend you over and you fans just took it lol. Now I don't know if it's true that's what I heard.
Yes, physical media is being killed off, but not by gamers. Side note: the value of physical games is going to sky rocket HOLD ONTO YOUR PHYSICAL GAMES.
This is great advice! It’s crazy because the value starts at $60 then drops down to almost nothing after a few years, then it just bounces right up! Incredible really
I'm a game collector but I have some bad news for you, it won't. The reason games currently see a surge in price is because the kids of the 90s and 00s now have money to relive their childhood memories so they buy. The issue going forward is kids of the 2010s and 2020s will not have grown up with physical media so there will be no rush to purchase once they are older and prices will fall since there is no demand. Its a sad reality but look on the bright side! by the time everyone in the world no longer cares about physical media we will be long dead so we won't have to deal with that reality 😂
@joeyisabsb1 that's what they said about vinyl. That's a very, very over simplified take on it, but you do you, and I'll keep making bank off physical media.
Why rent a game for $70 when you can own a game for $70? If I can get a $20 game for $5 digital I will opt for the digital but if i have to pay 25+ give me the physical copy. I will hate the day that they opt to go digital only
@@slapshotjack9806 because no matter what happens even if they take the digital store away or your account gets hacked whatever you may lose your progress but at least you still have the game to play. Pt should have been the wake up call that they can do whatever they want with a digital download
I've been a pc gamer for a long time now and digital only has been mostly the only option on pc for some time now so I'm used to this idea. But I also own a ps5 and when I bought it I got the disc version, I still like to buy physical copies of my games on console and I still like to buy Dvds and blu-rays and watch them on my console. That may be an old way of doing stuff but streaming is far from perfect and owning your games is a big plus if you in many ways if you ask me many of those ways you pointed out. So yeah I don't like the idea of a truly digital world only, physical games (and other stuff) have their place in this world and that place should be preserved.
Do you think it will Be? I can’t see it being around forever just because of the changes we are seeing now. Games going 100% digital. It’s interesting to see it happen over time but you can’t deny the convenience. I just like having the physical copies just to have them. Would be nice to keep both options open though. I guess we shall see!
@@AVVGaming1Won’t happen. Well, not to say it won’t happen but it can’t happen. It would mean the end of console gaming. The reasons why people accept digital on PC or with their music or movies are completely different from consoles and they are reasons that the consumers themselves shifted themselves into, not the publishers
@@AVVGaming1Those reasons being people shifted themselves to not owning their media with the rise of sailing the high seas with CDR and DVDR starting with music and movies. It wasn’t a shift brought on by publishers. PC is a very different ecosystem from console. The reason PC gamers are comfortable is because they have more than 1 place to get their games, be that soaking the high seas or multiple different storefronts. They can also backup those games themselves. None of this is possible on a console where you can lose your entire library if you’re banned for what ever reason they decide. There are no other storefronts. There is no way to backup the games yourself. You are entirely at the mercy of the publisher.
@@AVVGaming1 I'm not sure if it will be around forever, I hope it will but I'm not sure. However I think rickybobby made some good points I think physical on consoles is still popular so it may survive there. But on the other hand I'm thinking if that is the case why would Sony make a console with no disc option at all, to test the waters maybe? I guess we won't know for sure what way the wind blows until we see what Microsoft will do with the X-box, if they go digital only then we have our answer. Until then only time will tell.
@nowayjose1313 they were till the backlash happens. Wait till they dont listen. They made games $70 standard afterall. they also don't agree we crossplay but slowly adding.
The true threat to physical games is the gaming industry itself. While some gamers do accept and embrace digital media, Gaming companies are the ones that truly want an all digital future, not gamers. Subscription services is a scam to continuously milk people of money, so instead of paying one payment of X amount of dollars and be able to enjoy your favorite game for decades, you now have to pay a monthly/yearly payment forever to play your favorite game, which could potentially be taken from you if these companies want to take the game of the platforms service. I love gaming, I've been doing it for over 30 years and always saw myself gaming forever, but I am preparing myself to let go of this hobby.
The sad truth is that we're living in the darkest video gaming age since the time of the crash in the mid-80s. Nintendo is honestly the only beacon of light in today's industry. I see PC and PS5 fans complaining that the Switch is graphically weak in comparison but forget graphics, Nintendo are the only ones still innovating and doing things (mostly) right.
I personally hate those people that think this is the future because its digital... They act like you're a luddite for actually wanting a disc and physically owning it. Also, hot take from me here. I believe people should get off their butts and go to a GameStop or whatever to buy a game, it's not much harder than downloading a game from your console but people act like it is much harder and yet we've been living in the age of convenience for like the past century... If you think about it being able to own that game disc or cartridge for virtually forever probably greatly outweighs the convenience of just downloading a game. Because unlike a digital game or physical copy can give you peace of mind that you will always have it.
@@pwnomega4562 I have an update just right now whilst I’m typing a message to you. My wife owns the sims on pc. She bought it and about 50 bloody DLCs for it from EA. She bought it on the app origins. Now they sold out to EA and she needs to download that and is having trouble getting the game onto that account. She owns it, yet she doesn’t. Digital downloads only benefit one person and it ain’t the consumer. I think steam recently admitted players don’t actually own their games. What these companies want is to own the market. You want to play Sims? You need to have our app. You want to use our app? You need to enter you credit card details, so that way we can push microtransactions onto you. What if EA want a membership fee to use their app? Well you gotta pay it if you want to play YOUR game! What if you don’t have WiFi and the app needs an update? Too bad, you need the app updated to play the game. People who say owning physical games are old school don’t see this side of things. There is no benefit except for convenience. It’s a shame but you can only stick to what you believe and apply that advice to yourself.
I grew up with physical media, I am a 31 year old woman, I have quite a bit of game retro collection with my husband, however lately we have switched to mainly PC and Switch. We have a PS5, but after the Pro was announced, we talked and just wanted to stay with PC and Nintendo. Honestly we still like physical but if our house burned down all the physical games we would lose, and we would lose our computers, but all the digital games could be downloaded again. So there is pro and cons to both. Plus if Steam goes anti consumer and deletes a game that is even on our hard drive, if it's retro/classic enough we can emulate it if we wanted to play it so much. The main problem is dedicated systems/consoles. They are becoming more obsolete, and if they really get rid of physical media, there is no reason for them. Just switch to PC.
Exactly! And I think that’s how things would turn if they stopped accepting discs. We’d all just go and save up for a good PC. It makes more sense and steam has more variety and better deals too. As far as the switch goes, that console is unreal! I buy all my games physical for the switch but that’s because my wife also has a switch and we can swap and play games together. I’m playing xenoblade chronicles 3 now and it’s outstanding. Honestly I’m gonna do a video about the switch because I think it’s one of the best consoles ever. Witcher 3, RDR, KCD, Persona 5, 4, Skyrim, BOTW, TOTK, smash bros, Mario kart, just mental selection !
You could just as easily lose those digital games. Someone else controls those servers and has the power to remove the content at a moments notice. Or rather no notice at all. In the end many would just resort to buying more expensive storage to make sure they keep their games
@@jefferytillis8309 That's an easy choice, piracy is the great equalizer and DRM is vanquished again and again. That's the relationship between company and consumer. If they won't satisfy, we won't spend. They keep making slop, we stop buying it, they raise console prices, we buy PCs, they misshandle a game, we mod it to be better, they take away access, we pirate and emulate. Internet nerds are so brilliant at circumvention that sometimes I wonder what we need AAA for. Whether it's remastering or remaking games from scratch. Exploiting hardware through itterative jailbreaking. Rebuilding, privatizing, or loopholing servers after shutdowns such as the xbox 360 marketplace, the crew, or the pretendo network. Creating extensive expansions through modding and romhacking. Forming dev teams that take advantage of industry standard engines like UE. Or even stepping past troublesome emulation to port exclusives directly to pc through the process of decompilation as seen with SM64, Ocarina of time, and hopefully soon, Bloodborne. In an anti-consumerist era, gamers have more insentive by the day to switch to Pc, and on PC, thanks to these few geek geniuses, gaming is dang near open source.
I think judging by probability it is far more likely that digital content (under the control of someone else) gets delisted and no longer available to download instead of a house fire damaging owned physical copies.
Lets play a game; pull the internet cord out of your console and lets see what games you still can play.... Smart gamers buy physical! Dumb gamers buy digital.
Really? Can’t believe that type of stuff still happens to billion dollar companies but it definitely coincides with the point of the value of physical games!
Thank you! We are being cornered by these companies. "This is the only way to play video games!" is what they are saying towards digital only. Yet I am firm that I don't want to move towards digital. So what happens? This divide in the gaming community. One side pro physical and another pro digital. When did we get so comfortable not owning what we buy?
Correct, even DVD bluray was always selling so well. But it was companies plot to not even support the physical cause they want ALL PROFIT and CONTROL.
I remember 8 years ago you got all digital consoles 2024 still making physical copies but just a license on a disk no data so as you say it is being killed as they want people to more more to buy it digital so they make disks empty so people feel ripped of so they then download from store
That use to be clear cut. Now it's iffy. You can't say it's for preservation cause so many patches come after a physical release. You need the internet to have them for a stable release. I will say that it can be cheaper in the long run
I think that’s what everyone is saying. If physicals games no longer exist, everybody will just move over to Pc. It’s crazy because the consoles are doing it to themselves! Xbox had a plan for PC players whereas Ps doesn’t do I’m not sure why they did this lol. Selling a disc extension for £100+ is really cheeky in my opinion lol
@@am_pm.17 yes I’m not sure. I think the majority of people in the comments have said they would move to PC if physical games were removed. Whether that’s the right move or indeed what would happen I don’t know. I’ve always loved console gaming, I just hope they always have the option for physical games.
The disadvantages of digital like storage space and restrictions to reselling and refunding are so obvious and overshadows the positives like not having to worry about shelf space. Heck, I myself loved digital until I realized how annoying it was to have barely any space on my consoles and that I couldn’t get my money back. How is digital winning when the negatives are so obvious and deal-breaking?
I will never go all digital for a console. I don't like it for pc, but have adapted, but so far my old games have not required specific hardware to play them. Console games will lose a lot of business going digital only.
Totally agree! I think if Xbox and ps announced the next consoles were digital only, most people would take the money they’d spend on them and invest in a gaming PC anyway. It’s crazy these companies don’t think about that. I think Microsoft is thinking about that though because they have been getting game pass on Pc. They must know something is coming.
The main issue is I don't want to spend $70+ on a game that I don't own. That amount, right now anyway, usually gets me a disc, case, some nice artwork, and maybe a little goodie inside like a keychain/art cards. Digital offers nothing but air. So far this year I have pre-ordered three physical games, wish I could afford more to support physical game releases! So many people tell me "it takes up to much space!" and I'm like "but you have no control over what you buy". What if you hit a rough patch and need some extra money? A digital game isn't exactly going to help you but having a physical game to sell online will. Add to the fact if you don't like a digital game you can't return it and get your money back, you are stuck with it forevermore! 🤧
You don't own most of the physical games these days either. Still gotta download the bulk of, if not the entire game even with a disc. If there is a version of the game on the disc, it's the busted, borderline unplayable version with no day one patch. So without the internet and access to these digital storefronts, the disc is useless anyway.
I currently own a variety of older video games consoles for this reason as well as they are dirt cheap. I picked up gears of war 1,2,3 all for $0.99 cents per game on a black Friday at a retro video game store. Which is insane value when you consider the hours I could spend playing them. I recently got a ps5 so I haven't touched my 360 in a minute but I love that I have a back log of tons of games to play and I don't even really need to buy new video games for quite some time.
Exactly! I think every game has a huge backlog though. I picked up 3 physical games for the switch about a year ago and each one has like 100+ hours of content and I got them for such a steal. My wife also has a switch so she can play them when she wants too. That’s why I prefer physical
I own both physical and digital on both Series X and PS5. A worry I have is that digital content can be altered or removed at any time. (Look at the recent concord debacle which may have upset the 2 people that bought it 😅) Sony removed some shows that customers had paid for due to licensing. Another thing that worries me is does buying a physical copy really change the situation? Seems a lot of discs I've installed don't seem to be the full game. 15gb from the disc the rest downloads online, plus any updates and patches and DLC also is online. (Don't get me started on how over reliant developers have become on patches.) I see the pros in digital content, many people lack space to store all the physical copies. You can play any game without getting a disc out or watch movies without switching a disc. You can have a new game/movie in an instant through the digital store. However there are a lot of cons. Game stores seem to be dying. Where I live there is literally one place when there used to be 4. Trade in and swapping is pretty much dead. Lending someone a game won't be possible anymore. Sale prices don't generally seem as good. We don't seem to really own said content. Which seems the worst part.
Yes physical is obsolete. Old heads you can retire or continue buying digital. The debate of physical vs digital is inconsequential/irrelevant for younger generations. They will adapt to digital.
Digital games will most likely never be cheaper than physical copies and they won’t be cheaper when physical is no more. But I will stop buying so there is that.
Yeah it’d change how we approach gaming overall. I like the option and think it should always be there. If you exclude it, then a lot of people will just switch to Pc I reckon
Let’s face it the majority of new gen gamers are lazy as hell and would rather download games rather than physically go somewhere to buy a game or wait and get it delivered from amazon…for me unless its free i never do downloadable games…i will buy physical games until i cant play anymore…
When these companies get rid of physical game discs entirely, it will just open a market for new developers/companies for gamers who strictly want physical media games and provides an avenue for more creative and enjoyable gaming titles to be born for us dedicated console gamers. Essentially becoming a win-win for indie developers and studios. If there is a will, there is a way to overcome this problem.
That depends on whether Sony/Microsoft will allow games to be loaded via disc in the first place. Even if they allow you to connect an external drive they may not allow you to load games from it. Especially if you need an internet connection which may be used to block any game loaded from a disk.
And just so you know I’m not against your content, I like your content and I’m a 80% physical gamer. I buy mostly digital games when they are in deep sale😊
Thank you! I’ve seen your other comments too and will reply here, but I really appreciate the feedback. If I’m wrong about the life is strange being digital only, that’s my fault for not checking it enough. As for the series s part I did try to explain it would probably be tied to finances and those reports are from 2022, which could be totally different now. Either way, thank you for the kind words and all the comments with feedback. As I’m new I’m learning with each video and feedback like this will help me get better. As the channel grows, things I could get wrong before will no longer pass, so I have to make sure to be more thorough. Thanks again for taking the time to write the comments, provide the feedback and leave a positive message as well. It really means a lot.
@@AVVGaming1 I believe people only comment constructively when they care. Your videos are important. You talk about serious stuff and there’s not many channels like yours.
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As an ex game collector myself, i have come to the conclusion that all games have a shelf life, how long that is, depends on person, whilst its a trophy to have your games, i feel the entertainment value will eventually vanish until something else replaces it somehow, im not a believer of nostalgia, sega rally is still a fun game and all you want to do is be closer to the best experience, so you can either have the game or the arcade itself, and its always just a case of scratching an itch until the itch changes form. I have been a fan of armored core since 97, armored core 6 actually released, its excessively rare i want to go back to AC1 even though i own it, I want to go back to 3 or last raven till this day, and yes i own the series so i can, AC6 is 10/10 as a fan of the series, but i still wont get the old stuff back until a remake (likely never) or a slight bit of hope of AC7 being more of the same with x10 the content and dynamics like old-gen, as when you go back thats what the old games feel like, its like getting the right portion size for dinner. We are in such a strange place in gaming.
A lot of discs nowadays dont even contain the game you buy. it still just goes to the store to download it. The real question is how you get the data. If i buy a digital but drm free version of skyrim on GOG, i own it much more concretely than a disc version on the PS5 that still requires a bunch of downloads from the PS store (not sure exactly what the drm for skyrim specifically is on PS, but you get my point). Regardless of the fact that the GOG version is digital, i can save or copy the installer to whatever storage form i feel is best and never have to rely on the digital storefront again, even if the game were to lose a license or get delisted.
I bought calisto protocol for ps4 rihht and this game could not run. It was a mess. Couldn’t handle it, shaky, lagged, literally unplayable. Patch required day 1, 30GB. Saved the game. But if I didn’t have the internet and update the game would be unplayable. It has unfortunately become a necessity but it’s poor from game developers to release these games so unfinished in the first place! Great point though! Thanks for commenting!
It depends on the game. There are many games that are fully on the disc. Large triple A games usually have/need patches but some is the devs fault. I watch a channel called N Game Arts for quality games that are fully on the disc.
When i can not collect proper physical game copies with a playable build anymore, I'll just re-switch to PC again. There i can at least download a crack for most games that i care about to "own" them. I already get games on PC that are either online only or have an incomplete build on disc, even though they are not a lot.
We always need a physical option, we need to preserve these games, and all digital will make it worse, corporations has already shutdown digital storefronts, and is a bad sign for preservation!
We have statistics which clearly show people still want physical media. So companies that want to eliminate it entirely should be told "No" by the law. They cannot be allowed to have 100% control of our video games. Their job is to provide all the options possible. And that has always included physical media.
I think it all comes down to consumer reaction. If people get upset, or even worse, don’t buy the new consoles, they’ll reevaluate and include physical. But if only 10% complain and the rest go for it, they’ll stick with it. If they want to control the market and be fully in control of all sales and price, they will want it digital
The price of second hand physical games is really a rip off. In my country, they are selling it for almost the same price it was sold for 10-15 yrs ago. I need to have physical games, if its not available on pc, im buying it for ps1-4. With a full time job, side business, and financial responsability, i still cant afford this hobby, between pc parts, consoles, games, it quite sucks, and its forcing me to go full digital, moreso because indies pump out bangers, and they dont do physical releases, but thsy do have drm-free downloads
That’s absolutely fair! Which country are you living in? I think that’s tough because usually you can get a better deal on physical games but if they aren’t lowering the price and it’s higher than the digital, you have to buy what’s affordable. If you’re working full time etc you gotta put your own finances first!
In my country I get excellent deals for second-hand physical games, I recently bought god of war ragnarok for only 25$ and it costs 70$ on the store, after I finished it I traded it for spider man 2
I prefer physical, though there are times I buy digital. Mostly because it might be digital only. I do buy DLC digital, mostly because they are on the shop/store. You don't like go to a gaming store and buy a copy with a DLC code or something. Or maybe it has happened in some scenarios. So yeah, I'm scared if video games get digital only, due to the fact that companies could remove the game out of nowhere. Especially if it happens with games you've bought.
Yes and I’ve seen it happen a few times. For me, I ended up with a series s Xbox for financial reasons. But just recently I got a ps5 for a great deal and it felt so good to get physicals games again. It just means more to me when it’s physical. And the fact I actually have a tangible product I can keep or sell in the future it means a lot! I hope physical games don’t die off
It’s “common knowledge that the series S became most people’s 2nd or 3rd console only due to the price and for gamepass but the same dynamic didn’t happen with the PS5 digital
Yeah as long as it's DRM free I don't think there is much of an issue with digital only. If the market is heading that way because people are buying less and less physical games, it's fair enough.
Download takes so much time. Other than that. I love digital gaming. Because u won't have to maintain the physical copy or protect it. It's safe and secure online. No🗿 it's fine as long as i get to play the game.
I used to buy physical games until the pandemic, and then we all went into quarantine. So I started buying digital, and I haven't stopped ever since and to me. It just felt more convenient because switching between games was easier. Also, some of the cons of having physical games mean that there's a chance that the disk could either get lost or break or get scratched or even perhaps disk rot.
I think games should go all digital because I want companies to be able to fuck over my purchases and your purchases and everyone's purchases and you're going to like it 🤓
In the UK, we have a shop called CEX. They sell used games and DvDs. The good news is, they are absolutely bouncing most days. Especially on the weekend. I went to the one in Cardiff as I wanted a physical Breath of the Wild, I actually was in a queue and had to wait for like 20 minutes as there were a few people looking to sell some second hand media in front of me.
I’m in the UK! Thanks for sharing this! I reckon I’ll go and find one of those shops near me and check it out! I love getting physical games and I won’t stop buying them!
A big issue is that you technically do have physical media when downloaded via data on your hard drive. The issue comes from overhead from developers making digital storefronts the only way to buy the games. They do that to avoid piracy because you could just download the games for free way too easily in that case, if you legally had ownership of anything that you had on your hard drive that you have a receipt for or proof of purchase, it should never be able to be blocked or removed for you.
This is so sad... They're stilling everything from us. That's the main reason why I only buy old consoles, everything digital is like not owning nothing 😢 no collectables, no game artwork, no memories...
I know! I miss that so much! Having the maps in the case, the booklets etc. it’s crazy cuz they used to give us a physical game, with a map and a booklet for $40. Now they’ve managed to charge $70 for no map, booklet or even a bloody disc lol
Making any kind of comment is now impossible because you said literally everything I was going to. 😅 So spot on. I still buy physical copies of the games I REALLY care about. But lately I have gotten lazy and bought more digital copies. Even of my favorite series. It sure is convenient to the point they are no longer available. But there's very little we can do about it. The future will be digital and collecting games will become impossible. No more manuals, maps or art books. Nothing. Just ones and zeros. Of course this has been the case for PC gaming for a long time now. But you'd trust platforms like Steam to have the games forever. But they won't be there forever either. It's a sad world we are living in. Greed rules over everything. Really good video. Amazing job. Covered pretty much every point I wanted to make.
Thank you very much! If it happens we, the consumers, are screwed really. We have no control over it. When you end up in a situation where a product has no competition, prices can go as high as they like. And as these companies have shown in the past, they will definitely exploit that opportunity
Love physical media! I have a list of games I want to get! I'm collecting all of my PS3 an 360 games now! Also getting the last few games for my PS4 an PS5! 🎮🤙👌
Since the PS4 Pro has only sold about 15 million units, it is understandable that consumers are not overly concerned about the PS5 Pro. The majority of PS5 owners would likely purchase the PS5 and then sell their games after they were through.
Yes, you’re probably right with that assessment. It was a high price point for something that doesn’t have a disc reader too. I’m not sure it will sell so good.
Both options have their advantages. Digital copy - download in a matter of minutes and play. You can share it with friends. Physical copy - you own a physical product that’s yours. You can collect a library. And most importantly resell it. So provide us with two options and we’ll choose what to buy. For instance, I voted for Physical discs 2 years ago, when purchased PS5 with Blue-Ray drive. If Sony and Xbox release digital consoles only, then stop buying it, and sooner or later we’ll see a new Super-Puper PS6 with Blue-ray drive Come Back to classics version. I mean it)
It is stupid to get rid a physical games. Gaming systems are targeting the rich. Not everyone has unlimited data. An some of those games use a lot of data To play and download. They real cutting off a source of revenue. An I not pay for games to just rent it. Waste of my money.
I live in the midwest and there is no internet service where I live that has unlimited data. If everything was streaming idk if I would even have enough internet to be able to play video games.
It’s far from “inevitable” that we end up with all digital. That’s very deterministic- companies want all digital to maximise profits - that’s it. I personally would not purchase an all digital console for the reasons outlined in video. I don’t see any upsides to digital other than don’t have to get up to change disk but this limitation is only there as consoles force you to swap disks they could let you install full game and validate ownership once a week or something
I am similar where I currently buy games where they are the cheapest. I have rdr2 digitally, but I have some games on discs, like black ops 1 and 2. I also wanted to say I discovered your channel yesterday and I have watched a bunch of your videos already. I want to say that your content is great, and keep up the hard work as you are bringing up conversations and ideas most wouldn't think of covering. Also I want to end with a question: Will downloading your games on a hard drive or sd card serve the same purpose of physically owning the game? Like if your friend downloaded the telltale game of thrones on a hard drive and tried to play it again, would the same have happened? I am asking because I don't have a pc I have a mac, where I play on a ps2 emulator with the classic games.
Well thank you very much for the kind words! Really glad you’re enjoying the videos! So, what they did is they downloaded the game and then uninstalled it. So if they had kept it downloaded on an SD card or hard drive, they would have been able to play it. The fact is they deleted it under the assumption it would still be there but by saving them elsewhere you do always have a backup and protect it. It’s often a case of deleting stuff to free up space and when you remove it completely you take that risk. If you saved them you’re safe! Thanks so much again for the really nice words!
While I will always prefer physical over digital (and will pay full price for physical), I will only buy digital when it is on sale and dirt cheap (under $20), as my view is if software companies only want me to 'rent' their games, then they are only worth a rental price. I refuse to pay full price for any digital game, and there is plenty to play that I can wait until they are on sale
Me too now! Got the series s to get by (bad time financially) but now I’ve got a ps5 with disc reader and I ain’t going back. It’s so much better! I got ff16 which was £60 online for just £12 made up!
Physical and digital should both always be options. The pros and cons for both are just so vast, it would just save everyone the trouble if both were always an option when it comes to home console gaming
Its funny that people are willingly opting for all digital just for convenience, over better and cheaper prices in the long run for most physical games. Theres a reason companies like limited run are very popular and keep growing.
For all the games i really want to own forever i buy physical games. If its something i feel like im taking a stab in the dark with i buy digitally when its on sale.
It's not surprising when you look at how entertainment media has been consumed and evolved. Companies make the medium and leave it to the consumer to choose or reject. Digital media is being chosen by the vast majority of consumers and the money listens. If consumers wanted physical media to survive. they'd have bought at levels to justify keeping it. They haven't. That is fact and companies see that.
Unfortunately that is the truth! Some people will be upset but a lot of people just want convenience. They don’t care or think ahead of how the market will be controlled, or how they won’t end up on owning everything, or how they are giving power to the companies to increase prices. They just think of now. They wan the game right now and don’t want to have to wait for it to arrive or drive out and get it. One day, it’ll be realised but I fear it’ll be too late by then!
I'm not that worried about game companies going digital. If they do, there is a demand that isn't met anymore and if someone then provide physical games, that's where I'll go along with many others. Yes, most people obviously opt for convenience when it comes to media, but there will always be a market for enthusiasts like myself. Music artists even release music on vinyl. I may not be able to get every new game released on that future physical games platform but so what... I'll just keep one of the current digital consoles and buy digital games when they're about 90% off, just like I do today. I too have a library of digital game licenses, but the price I'm willing to pay for each one is lowering for every passing day in the current market. My main reasons for staying physical are 1. Collecting purposes. I was born in the 80s. I like to hold a game, look at the box art and carefully sift through the manual. The way it used to be. A lot of nostalgia tied to this of course. 2. Resell value. If something unfortunate happens and I'm in dire need of money.... then a Nintendo Switch with 70 physical games is worth a little bit more than a Switch with no games.... I buy used and sell used, so I hardly lose anything at all when selling. 3. Some kind of legacy for my kids. When I pass away, what's my account with 1000 digital games worth...? If I have a collection of physical games I can pass them on to the next generation. If they decide they hate games, well, then there's the resell argument again. 4. Game preservation. If a licensing disagreement results in a game being taken down from the digital storefront, the physical copy stays on my shelf. Also, some games change dramatically via updates, and not always for the better. Take the game Generation Zero for example. It started out an atmospheric, mysterious tactical shooter with immersive sim elements, but five years of updates have morphed it into a live service looter shooter. If I have the physical disc, I can choose to enjoy the launch version of the game. That's not an option with the digital version.
I went digital only after red dead2 but got back into physical media about a year ago. I love owning my games again and seeing the collection grow. Even have all my old pokemon games still, ps2, and ps3 games and some gamecube. It takes up space sure but at least you get to own them
Advantage of digital only: Quick and instant download (For ps+) free monthly games Doesn't take up space in house Disadvantage of digital only: Requires Internet connection Only exclusive to one account Can get removed Stays full price Can't sell and trade I think there should be balance on the disc and digital. The ps4 eara seems to have the perfect balance between the two. If there's the best game out there, they can get it immediately online if they wanted too, but if the game is bad or meh, they can simply wait at least a month and go to the nearest game store to probably get the game pre-owned for a cheaper price. The online is like a roulette luck based game where you will have to wait till your game is on sale or free but maybe might regret to find out the game gets a cheaper deal the next time it goes on sale.
Physical media sadly doesn't always solve everything antmore, unless the game in FULL is on-the-disc w/ all DLC's, all patches, no server-dependencies, and has NO DRM period - which would make most sense on re-releases when they're actually done w/ a product.There's already games like SW Outlaws & new Avatar on consoles requiring activation, like PC retail disc games been doing for decades. There's already games on consoles w/out the full-game on disc, so you need to download the rest. So...if the activation servers go away, won't matter or you don't have the full game downloaded - well, you need to have it all backed-up on a HDD. So, on consoles: do NOT uninstall your game, if it has required-activation if it's a single-player game; same would go for PC too on sold older games w/ certain DRM styles. Some games on disc on PC use Securom, Safedisc, StarForce and other DRM-garbage - and those won't work b/c Microsoft blocked those games from working on modern Windows b/c of security concerns or those DRM's ain't had updates to work on modern OS's (Starforce, I'm looking at you). I'm better off looking online if a No-DRM PC store like GOG sells it with offline installers and no-required client-app junk for their single-player content & backing those offline-installers and/or game-folders up on CD, DVD, BR, BDXL, thumb drive, SSD, HDD, or whatever else it'll fit on.
They will be when the PS7 comes out. Because I read an article I'm not sure if it's true or not it probably is but Sony have announced the PS6 when it comes out will be the last Playstation console with a disc drive. I suppose it kind of makes sence since nearly everything is all online now but it sucks for the phycial disc collectors like myself included, also not everyone can afford digital games on the store especially since now most games cost like £50-£60 sometimes even £70 which isn't really worth it in my opinion unless you really want it and there are no other options available.
That’s super interesting and thanks for sharing! I might seek out that article and make a video on it soon! It’s sad to see but I feel it’s inevitable that one day it will soon br digital only
People had a high opinion then of digital games was before we learned that digital only means you no longer own anything and it can be taken away at anytime.
Exactly! It’s convenient but man it’s a price to pay! $60 gone. No way to get it back. For a promise it’ll be there if you need it…which it might not be. Plus digital only means more space which means additional hard drives for more money, or you delete it and try to download it later but it might be gone..
thats why im collecting physical copies now for my retirement. remember, "you'll own nothing and be happy" future will be a rental economy. applications are now monthly/annual subscription. there will be no such thing as perpetual license anymore. games will be next. Apple is already doing it you can only play games if you rent digitally.
Now I want to start looking for the games I currently have in digital. Got the Series S in middle of Covid at almost twice the price about $450 but really want to get the Series X with disk drive as soon as possible which means saving up Besides gaming going digital, it’s the same for movies, books, and music. These made great gifts for Christmas or birthdays, being digital means a gift card to get whatever and that is so impersonal in my opinion, and for me there is nothing like a good physical book to open and read same for games.
Now a days they make it such a hassle to get physical games. My homies preordered Dragon Ball Sparking Zero, like they actually went to the store pre ordered and then ut turns out there were no more copies on launch day they had more pre orders than they did copies so they all canceled their pre order and bought it digital instead. This isnt the only game its happened with either. A lot of modern releases seem to be limited print too. Since alot of people now a days have settled for digital just doe concenience. I think the ratio might be 70% digital 30% physical users. Its just that physical users are more vocal about it. Its such a shame too, alot of people, mostly the younger generation dont even care if they have a copy in their hand. So many people i know got the digital PS5 or the Xbox Series S. Stating they havent bought a physical game in years. I think physical will still continue to stay for longer than we might be thinking, but it all might be very limited prints for those that still want them. Kind of like Blu Ray/DVD. They still make em but cant tell you the last time i bought a physical movie
Saw the same thing happen with my wife just now. She got metaphor fantasio for ps5 physical. It got lost in the post and came a day late. She was desperate to download it instead but I talked her into pre ordering. It’s a shame because companies like GameStop, Argos don’t realise that their own incompetence is going to lead to their extinction!
@AVVGaming1 I wanna have more self control like that, but say for example, Final Fantasy 7 Remake Intergrade on PS5 is basically like over $80 between like $70-100 on the used market because I guess it's rare now. Or there were limited prints. And if it's used it doesn't have the DLC story which I think is another $10 or $20?? But then digitally it was on sale the other day complete for like $20. I would go out of my way too far for physical especially if the digital deal can be better. But that's how they seem to be doing physical now
We’re unfortunately in an era where old features are now a premium; the pro tells us Sony will likely release a disc less PS6 and may not care enough to provide a disc drive option. Everything in this era is now made with the mindset of pushing subscriptions or alternatively be free but full of ads and micro transactions.
I only buy physical. I have almost 65 PlayStation 5 games so far. Recent stats show that physical is still doing well. I think more and more people are realising how bad digital is for ownership etc. You also left out the whole birthday and Christmas thing. All my friends and family grew up getting games for birthdays and Christmas. You can't wrap up digital and give it as a gift. I'm also seeing a shift in the younger generation buying cheap second hand physical games as were in tough economic times and the younger generations are looking to save money. My little brother and his mates get cheap games from CEX and cut their GamesPass subscriptions. They've gone back to DVDs as well. Another thing I noticed people are missing is midnight launches. If it went digital I'd stop buying new games and just stick with retro. I'm happy replaying my favourite games and there are tons of old games I've not played on eBay.
You’re right about the Christmas gift thing. It hits much harder rather than handing a download code lol. Completely agree with everything you’ve said. I have just got a ps5 last month. Are there any games you recommend as must haves? Right now I’ve just got FF7R, new newest ff and silent hill 2. Metaphor as well
@@AVVGaming1 Nice. My favourite games so far this generation are. Still Wakes The Deep Chernobylite Dead Island 2 Hitman Trilogy Watchdogs Legion Hell Let Loose for when I play online Astrobot. Astrobot is my game of the year so far. I also like PSVR2 and games like Resident Evil 4, Village, the Pixel Ripped Series. Enjoy your PS5.
@@thedembot honestly it’s so good! Like it’s made me fall in love with it. But here’s the thing, main story clocks in around 50 hours. That’s just doing the odd side quest but mainly sticking with the main story. If you wonder off and try to do all side quests it’ll take over 120. The side quests are really good, and you can do them anytime even after the main story, but yes I agree that if you’re a completionst and try to do it all, you’ll get burned out. I can’t wait to finish it because I need to get back to making videos lol
Only PC media I’m gonna invest into is GoG. The only one who most closely respects you. It’d be even better if on PC you could trade, lend, borrow and sell your license keys once you’re done with them. Essentially a 3rd party license trading system that gives you your property rights back. Either that or give us back offline working physical media for PC games using keys. We will get it back regardless if the internet is taken down by the Russians. For consoles I only support physical media for the Nintendo Switch and some ps5 games that are content complete (very rare now on PlayStation; Nintendo is usually better for this). If they go full digital, I’m done with consoles completely. They will lose all value to me.
With the world collectively moving towards minimalism and making the maximum out of progressively limited space, it was only a matter of time. This pet theory isn't probably as far-fetched as it sounds!
Convenience as well. That’s what gets us in the end! Convenience of fast food got us good. Convenience catches us and it will probably get us here too lol. Ps5 pro is certainly a move in that direction and Xbox been pushing hard to get game pass on pc so they know something is coming
The problem right now is that storage is still required to play top tier games. Doesn't matter if it's a Blu-ray disc or the more expensive internal drive. Streaming the top games would take tremendous bandwidth that's just not there. For me , if I can't get a physical copy, I'm not buying. Leaves too much power in the hand of the owner of the servers. One minute you own a game, the next minute you don't. It's all up to those that control the storage. I see it as no different than government trying to force you to public transportation. When did we start accepting that others should have control of the products we purchased?
@@jefferytillis8309 you're absolutely right but as AVV said we are nearing the end of life on physical copies for all the reasons he mentioned in cost cutting and convenience. If the companies do end up keeping physical copies for people like you who refuse to digitise entirely, then it will be those overpriced collector's edition discs which will make you pay a premium for the same game and basically include a markup on the price for printing and shipping :P
@@debopamroy56Even those aren't safe. Some collector editions now come with an empty steelbook and a download code instead of a disc. It's completely idiotic.
The moment all games are digital is the moment you see me with a peg leg and an eyepatch. You don’t own digital games, and digital games are straight up more expensive. There are digital store sales, but there are no discount bins. I’ve straight up refused to buy games that released only as digital. If they want my money, they have to give me a product to own.
Another pro for physical games is those of us with bad internet speeds. I bought gran turismo 7 on disk. It was about 90GB and I had it installed and ready to play in an hour. Horizon Call of the Mountain on the other hand I received digitally with my psvr2. It was about 40GB. Took about a week to download. And if I run out of storage space and delete it and decide I want to play it later. I'm gonna have to do it all over again.
digital games are not cheaper,in fact they're the opposite,you get less for more money. also always online and censorship are bad,there are no positives for digital over physical
You can attach a disc drive to the PS5 Pro (same drive as the digital PS5 Slim). That's what I'll be doing. PS6 will be a coin flip between having an attachable disc drive (sold separately) and not having that option at all. Given the popularity of the PS5 disc drive, I'm betting on the former. PS7 will be digital only, no question. Xbox Series X will be Microsoft's last power console. Game Pass is now their entire business model, so they'll make a digital only Game Pass box like Series S (small, less expensive, and less powerful fhan PS6). They'll probably make a Game Pass portable as well. MS is done with physical.
Yah totally agree. Microsoft actually represent, in my opinion, the bad side. They want to buy up the market, so that studios only make games for Xbox, thus starving ps and other consoles. Then, switch it all to subscription model, then they control the price and can up it without any issues. I’m going to do a video on it soon. People may hate it, there’s a lot of Xbox fan boys, but I need to say it
The only reason digital games don’t get price drops is because Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft don’t want to completely alienate the box stores since they still rely on the for sales. Once box store no longer sale games you’ll see price drops on digital games
15:20 i think you mispoke, there's literally 0 positives to digital only, having the option of physical media doesn't stop you from buying digital, so it's just something we lose for nothing in return
Yeah I was scraping the barrel really. Just that it’s convenient I guess? Saves you driving out to get the game? lol idk I don’t like digital games so it was hard to balance this one out lol
So many dumbos dont know the games are still fully on Disc and it just goes from the disc to the SSD, you can do it offline. Love how people are so stupid, enjoy your digital games, ill be buying physical for cheap while owning them.
I love having the actual games and just as an example the other day I bought silent hill 2 for £55. On the ps store it’s listed at £69. So I have already saved money by just buying a new game physically. And I heard that steam just came out and essentially confessed that their players don’t actually own their own games.
I was all for digital before PS 5 came out. 3 years ago this December I purchased around 250.00 of digital assests for my PS 4 like 10 new games. Last year I discovered that my library had been deleted. Thus I'll never purchase a digital download on Playstation network. I use steam for digital games for pc over 10 years now. Haven't lost games that I'm aware of being I have a library of several 100 games now. The just released terms of agreement changes concern me. If it's used to just randomly take away games from my library it means I know longer can expect my purchases to be played forever going forward as long as is relevant I'm losing my rights as a consumer. Thus as always I will use my dollars to speak to those I consume from. I will transition back to physical copies only. Won't guarantee access to the internet, updates, hardware changes, etc however I will still own my copy and ability to play it as long as it will boot up and do so. More and more the choices we as the masses have are being attacked by those wanting more control over us than ever. Such is the work for pay to afford our debt we can't seem to avoid trap
Thanks for sharing your experience! I think if you hold a game in your hands, you have it. If it’s online it’s sort of like a promise note. It’s there we promise! Just let us know when you want to play it! And it’s a big issue, at least in my opinion. We have to always have the backup option. If it goes away then they have full control of the market and those prices we been paying will change for sure!
No physical = less sales Lots of player are only paying games so they can sell it again in less than a week, if they can't sell it they will save thier money until a 40% to 70% discount Like what happens in steam
Yes and it allows people to task more risks! Like if I buy a game with mixed reviews, I can re sell it if it’s physical. If it’s online digital, I might not buy it at all due to that fear!
I don't believe you can replace the feeling physical games give you. Like your clips of skyrim instantly took me back to buying oblivion the instruction manual, the paper map, and just knowing I have hundreds, if not a thousand hours ahead of me.
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Always, always, ALWAYS buy physical copies before they make it impossible. For all the reasons you pointed out here.
@@stanettiels7367 completely agree! I’d hold onto what you can because it’s definitely not going to be an option one day. Plus it’s literally an investment if you get it now. It’s a physical product of value. Once it goes digital those days are gone :(
As much as I support physical media I can't help but prefer my digital library. I was never forced to get games digitally, it just happened naturally. I remember being stoked when the xbox 360 marketplace dropped as a kid, I honestly can't remember a game that I bought physically since then that I didn't eventually replace with a digital copy.
Even all of my classic consoles have whatever mod I need to store the entire game's library on a hard drive, which has saved me what would equate to thousands upon thousands if it were all physical.
In the case of tv/movies, I prefer having dvds because it saves me tons on streaming. But in the case of gaming, my only criticism is that PC has been a fully digital medium for what feels like 20 years now without any real criticism towards the change, and imo we aren't far off from consoles needing to compete with pc to sustain relevance (ps5 pro level pricing, the growing popularity of the steam deck, consumer trust transitioning from AAA to indie)
I’m happy with my series s and ps5 digital no need to waste time and gas to get a key to download a digital game when I can do tha from my couch
I still don't have black wukong because it's digital only I love physical copies to much
Wait even the current physical copies don't have the full game code. I like my media physical but we're being given less option on it.
The fact that there was suck a loud backlash over the lack of disc drive proves that physical media is not "dead" and there is still a demand for CDs.
Nobody uses discs anymore kiddo get with the times or get left behind
😂 this guy probably can't survive a day without logging into social media. true brainrot 😅@@slapshotjack9806
@@slapshotjack9806some do actually 😊
@@pinatacolada7986 more like vocal minority. It usually how it goes. Silent majority doesn’t give a crap.
@@slapshotjack9806Communist alert
This is why I will never buy a console that doesn’t allow for physical media.
PC players got used to it two generations ago
@@therealjaystone2344 But it is the thing that SEPERATES consoles from PC gaming. What's the difference if they take away the ability to physically buy/collect their games? A console then just becomes a cheap bad computer. and who wants that? There will be no incentive to buy consoles anymore. It is like they are eating their own market....
@@GamerofOld consoles are turning into streaming boxes
Have fun not getting the ps6 and whatever the next Xbox is gonna be
@@therealjaystone2344true and it’s pathetic. No more creativity or imagination to make an amazing product. It’s sad honestly
when physical games disappear its the death of console gaming since at that point just get a gaming pc
Exactly! That’s what I think the outcome would be. We’d all just save up for a good PC and move on from consoles. It’s disappointing Sony want that much money for a pro and then expect you to buy a disc reader separately for another £100. Not sure who they think had this sort of money to blow lol
100% What's the point if I can't collect them physically? Yeah once consoles ae all digital I am going to a gaming pc.
@@GamerofOldAs soon as I saw the ps5 pro announcement I decided then and there that I'm switching to pc by next gen. I've always been envious of pc gamers since a kid (mostly due to mods and library selection), but now as an adult the practical use of a pc is too attractive even outside of gaming. All I needed was a financial incentive.
How are those forced updates treating you?
Not sure Nintendo going to put their game on pc
The moment physical gaming media is gone is the moment I start sailing the seven seas.
Better start looking for a good boat then!
You're gonna need a big boat then. We'll join.
Offline games are also dying
@@EnejJohhem Lmao, sure buddy.
@@EnejJohhem I guess you're right. That's also sad.
I will buy physical until i cant. Digital and physical should always be both options. And i personally think there should be laws around digital where they cant take it away. I dont like separate disc drive requires internet to setup. People willingly giving up their rights is wild. If these companies worded it as licensing for $70 vs buying for digital games i feel those people who say it’s the future will sing a different tune. Digital only puts power in store’s hands and you see sony increasing old games price. A lot of games do start digital only but get a physical later so im okay as long as games get physical at all
I agree with you but the ship has already sailed. The moment consoles became connected to the internet and discs started requiring patches/internet downloads, you no longer own the physical copy. They can patch the consoles to not read the disc or prevent any necessary patches/internet downloads to brick the game from running anymore. Or send a new patch to just brick the game. They have many tools at their disposal to make the disc unplayable now remotely. And if they wanted to pull a specific game from the market, they can just patch the console itself to no longer read that specific game.
@@ey5373we don’t need negativity keep that defeatist mentality to yourself
@@ey5373 Most PS4/5 games still contain a fully playable version on the actual disc. Source: does it play. This is where emulation later one day comes in for PS4 (as it already has for PS3 and 360 now) for ultimate preservation and control, no console necessary. I agree it's a worsening situation and that they'll probably win in the end for future titles. But for the time being physical (when the data is on the disc) and GOG is the way to go when possible.
Thankfully the music industry is doing well with both. CD and vinyl sales are holding on and are slowly increasing in popularity as we speak. Let's hope the gaming industry follows suit.
@@ey5373just don’t download the patch then, simple as that
I like physical discs. The ps5 disc version will be the last game system I buy. It's unfortunate that physical media is dying. People don't know what they have until it's gone and once physical media is completely dead, people will dislike it.
I agree and have been collecting since PS1.
Only you dislike it nobody else cares
Times change and we change with the times.
@@slapshotjack9806bro if you have to go up to MULTIPLE people and say “nobody cares” MAYBE there’s people that care
@@EJElijah kid nobody is an exaggeration of the LARGE majority of people (like 80 percent of ps5 users) that no longer buy games on disc anymore just because you still play them on disc doesn’t mean Sony is benefiting off of it and thus you are not entitled to everything you expect from them when that majority of people don’t care for what you want
Lack of consumer choice is bad for the consumer
Imagine a world where you got a free digital download of the game with every disc purchase? Or where you paid much less for the digital version because you don't own the license and Sony can kick you out of your account at anytime and bye bye digital game library?
@@latingringo89 I’m imagining it right now but sadly I doubt we will ever see it :( it’s gone the other way actually. I miss getting the game with a map and guide etc. all for $40 too! Now we get a digital game which comes with an outfit for your in game character for $100 lol
I will never pass in a physical game. the day physical stop that's the day y stop collecting new games.
Obviously....
The moment new games turn digital I’ll quit buying them and permanently stick to 9th gen and before
Same, what’s the point of buying a product if I can’t own it.
totally agree same here
No you wont lol
Yep same here as well. I own physically alot of consoles since the day's of super nintendo and so many game's over the year's. I'm pretty satisfied now i game on playstation 5 and the switch and it seems that's where I would have to jump off the train. One's it becomes a full digital and all gaming company's go full digital only that's where I take my leave and say goodbye. I've been gaming for 34 year's and that's pretty much good for me unfortunately every good thing must come to a end. I did truly enjoyed these gaming with my friends and family relatives for a long time and the game's. for the new generation of kids playing on these newer consoles or future consoles or pc I hope this is what you wanted and dreamed about. A all digital only game world sounds crazy to me and insane. Now California law will require online stores to disclose you are purchasing licenses for digital games, movies, music, and ebooks, not owning them. Wow we already know this foray year's but now it's really going to show right in front of your faces. I love owning my physical game's most ps4 and ps5 game's have a 1.0 version that works right of the box from beginning to end same switch game's. You don't even have to update them unless you want to. However some game's are down right broken and some need a online connection. For example the division 1&2 and destiny 1&2 and even the newer call of duty game's like black ops 4 and newer cods you can't even play single player offline without a internet connection you see how bad that is. When those servers shutdown and it will that's it like look what they did to your warzone you can't even transfer your old purchases from the old cod warzone to the new one. They really bend you over and you fans just took it lol. Now I don't know if it's true that's what I heard.
@@whatevername6553 I don’t play new games much if at all so I’ll maybe miss the next TES or fallout and maybe a good cod
Yes, physical media is being killed off, but not by gamers.
Side note: the value of physical games is going to sky rocket HOLD ONTO YOUR PHYSICAL GAMES.
This is great advice! It’s crazy because the value starts at $60 then drops down to almost nothing after a few years, then it just bounces right up! Incredible really
I'm a game collector but I have some bad news for you, it won't. The reason games currently see a surge in price is because the kids of the 90s and 00s now have money to relive their childhood memories so they buy. The issue going forward is kids of the 2010s and 2020s will not have grown up with physical media so there will be no rush to purchase once they are older and prices will fall since there is no demand.
Its a sad reality but look on the bright side! by the time everyone in the world no longer cares about physical media we will be long dead so we won't have to deal with that reality 😂
@joeyisabsb1 that's what they said about vinyl.
That's a very, very over simplified take on it, but you do you, and I'll keep making bank off physical media.
Why rent a game for $70 when you can own a game for $70? If I can get a $20 game for $5 digital I will opt for the digital but if i have to pay 25+ give me the physical copy. I will hate the day that they opt to go digital only
Why waste time and gas for a key to download a game that will be taken away when the digital store goes down
@@slapshotjack9806 because no matter what happens even if they take the digital store away or your account gets hacked whatever you may lose your progress but at least you still have the game to play. Pt should have been the wake up call that they can do whatever they want with a digital download
@so you don’t like to own nothing? And keep that sh!t to yourself not everyone wants to have their options taken away
@@slapshotjack9806you are a sad, sad human being. 😢
@@slapshotjack98061) Forgot we can buy things online huh?
2) You’d rather have a PNG than a disc?
I've been a pc gamer for a long time now and digital only has been mostly the only option on pc for some time now so I'm used to this idea. But I also own a ps5 and when I bought it I got the disc version, I still like to buy physical copies of my games on console and I still like to buy Dvds and blu-rays and watch them on my console. That may be an old way of doing stuff but streaming is far from perfect and owning your games is a big plus if you in many ways if you ask me many of those ways you pointed out. So yeah I don't like the idea of a truly digital world only, physical games (and other stuff) have their place in this world and that place should be preserved.
Do you think it will Be? I can’t see it being around forever just because of the changes we are seeing now. Games going 100% digital. It’s interesting to see it happen over time but you can’t deny the convenience. I just like having the physical copies just to have them. Would be nice to keep both options open though. I guess we shall see!
@@AVVGaming1Won’t happen. Well, not to say it won’t happen but it can’t happen. It would mean the end of console gaming. The reasons why people accept digital on PC or with their music or movies are completely different from consoles and they are reasons that the consumers themselves shifted themselves into, not the publishers
@@AVVGaming1Those reasons being people shifted themselves to not owning their media with the rise of sailing the high seas with CDR and DVDR starting with music and movies. It wasn’t a shift brought on by publishers. PC is a very different ecosystem from console. The reason PC gamers are comfortable is because they have more than 1 place to get their games, be that soaking the high seas or multiple different storefronts. They can also backup those games themselves. None of this is possible on a console where you can lose your entire library if you’re banned for what ever reason they decide. There are no other storefronts. There is no way to backup the games yourself. You are entirely at the mercy of the publisher.
@@rickybobby5153 so you think that they will always keep physical games for console? Could be a good point! Thanks for sharing!
@@AVVGaming1 I'm not sure if it will be around forever, I hope it will but I'm not sure. However I think rickybobby made some good points I think physical on consoles is still popular so it may survive there. But on the other hand I'm thinking if that is the case why would Sony make a console with no disc option at all, to test the waters maybe? I guess we won't know for sure what way the wind blows until we see what Microsoft will do with the X-box, if they go digital only then we have our answer. Until then only time will tell.
the price doesnt alwasy stay the same. Sony just doubled the price of Horizon Zero Dawn to get people to buy the remaster version.
All his issues his Describing is a console issue. PC always have massive discount games do not get removed even if they lose rights.
If you have the original game Sony won't charge you the full price.
@nowayjose1313 they were till the backlash happens. Wait till they dont listen. They made games $70 standard afterall. they also don't agree we crossplay but slowly adding.
@@NatsumeKonno there are also a lot of games on the online store that go down a lot through sales that beat the physical media price.
The true threat to physical games is the gaming industry itself. While some gamers do accept and embrace digital media, Gaming companies are the ones that truly want an all digital future, not gamers. Subscription services is a scam to continuously milk people of money, so instead of paying one payment of X amount of dollars and be able to enjoy your favorite game for decades, you now have to pay a monthly/yearly payment forever to play your favorite game, which could potentially be taken from you if these companies want to take the game of the platforms service.
I love gaming, I've been doing it for over 30 years and always saw myself gaming forever, but I am preparing myself to let go of this hobby.
The sad truth is that we're living in the darkest video gaming age since the time of the crash in the mid-80s. Nintendo is honestly the only beacon of light in today's industry. I see PC and PS5 fans complaining that the Switch is graphically weak in comparison but forget graphics, Nintendo are the only ones still innovating and doing things (mostly) right.
I personally hate those people that think this is the future because its digital... They act like you're a luddite for actually wanting a disc and physically owning it.
Also, hot take from me here. I believe people should get off their butts and go to a GameStop or whatever to buy a game, it's not much harder than downloading a game from your console but people act like it is much harder and yet we've been living in the age of convenience for like the past century...
If you think about it being able to own that game disc or cartridge for virtually forever probably greatly outweighs the convenience of just downloading a game. Because unlike a digital game or physical copy can give you peace of mind that you will always have it.
@@pwnomega4562 I have an update just right now whilst I’m typing a message to you. My wife owns the sims on pc. She bought it and about 50 bloody DLCs for it from EA. She bought it on the app origins. Now they sold out to EA and she needs to download that and is having trouble getting the game onto that account. She owns it, yet she doesn’t. Digital downloads only benefit one person and it ain’t the consumer. I think steam recently admitted players don’t actually own their games. What these companies want is to own the market. You want to play Sims? You need to have our app. You want to use our app? You need to enter you credit card details, so that way we can push microtransactions onto you. What if EA want a membership fee to use their app? Well you gotta pay it if you want to play YOUR game! What if you don’t have WiFi and the app needs an update? Too bad, you need the app updated to play the game. People who say owning physical games are old school don’t see this side of things. There is no benefit except for convenience. It’s a shame but you can only stick to what you believe and apply that advice to yourself.
get with the times
@@gamerbeast3616 have fun not owning anything
I grew up with physical media, I am a 31 year old woman, I have quite a bit of game retro collection with my husband, however lately we have switched to mainly PC and Switch. We have a PS5, but after the Pro was announced, we talked and just wanted to stay with PC and Nintendo.
Honestly we still like physical but if our house burned down all the physical games we would lose, and we would lose our computers, but all the digital games could be downloaded again. So there is pro and cons to both. Plus if Steam goes anti consumer and deletes a game that is even on our hard drive, if it's retro/classic enough we can emulate it if we wanted to play it so much.
The main problem is dedicated systems/consoles. They are becoming more obsolete, and if they really get rid of physical media, there is no reason for them. Just switch to PC.
Exactly! And I think that’s how things would turn if they stopped accepting discs. We’d all just go and save up for a good PC. It makes more sense and steam has more variety and better deals too. As far as the switch goes, that console is unreal! I buy all my games physical for the switch but that’s because my wife also has a switch and we can swap and play games together. I’m playing xenoblade chronicles 3 now and it’s outstanding. Honestly I’m gonna do a video about the switch because I think it’s one of the best consoles ever. Witcher 3, RDR, KCD, Persona 5, 4, Skyrim, BOTW, TOTK, smash bros, Mario kart, just mental selection !
You could just as easily lose those digital games. Someone else controls those servers and has the power to remove the content at a moments notice. Or rather no notice at all. In the end many would just resort to buying more expensive storage to make sure they keep their games
@@jefferytillis8309 That's an easy choice, piracy is the great equalizer and DRM is vanquished again and again. That's the relationship between company and consumer. If they won't satisfy, we won't spend. They keep making slop, we stop buying it, they raise console prices, we buy PCs, they misshandle a game, we mod it to be better, they take away access, we pirate and emulate.
Internet nerds are so brilliant at circumvention that sometimes I wonder what we need AAA for. Whether it's remastering or remaking games from scratch. Exploiting hardware through itterative jailbreaking. Rebuilding, privatizing, or loopholing servers after shutdowns such as the xbox 360 marketplace, the crew, or the pretendo network. Creating extensive expansions through modding and romhacking. Forming dev teams that take advantage of industry standard engines like UE. Or even stepping past troublesome emulation to port exclusives directly to pc through the process of decompilation as seen with SM64, Ocarina of time, and hopefully soon, Bloodborne.
In an anti-consumerist era, gamers have more insentive by the day to switch to Pc, and on PC, thanks to these few geek geniuses, gaming is dang near open source.
The digital platform can take away your digital games for anything reason they want and it’s statistically more likely than your house burning down.
I think judging by probability it is far more likely that digital content (under the control of someone else) gets delisted and no longer available to download instead of a house fire damaging owned physical copies.
Lets play a game; pull the internet cord out of your console and lets see what games you still can play....
Smart gamers buy physical! Dumb gamers buy digital.
You need internet for both Einstein. Unplug your Internet then try downloading a disk. Let me know how it works out.
"You will own nothing but be happy" 👎 I said it about 6 or so months ago that I feel the PS6 and next Xbox will be digital only.
@@wambamthankumamyou can. You just won't have dlc and patches.
@@thesilentone011which is often game breaking
I am playing all my games without updates and I beat game after game.
Today PSN was down for nearly 9 Hours, thats why i buy only physicals :D
Really? Can’t believe that type of stuff still happens to billion dollar companies but it definitely coincides with the point of the value of physical games!
@@AVVGaming1 Yes that >Problem was World Wide, you can find a lot on TH-cam & Google abt it, i had the Problem too.
has nothing to do with didgital games or phisicals one
Its not dying. It’s being killed..
Thank you! We are being cornered by these companies. "This is the only way to play video games!" is what they are saying towards digital only. Yet I am firm that I don't want to move towards digital. So what happens? This divide in the gaming community. One side pro physical and another pro digital. When did we get so comfortable not owning what we buy?
Correct, even DVD bluray was always selling so well. But it was companies plot to not even support the physical cause they want ALL PROFIT and CONTROL.
Exactly! Well said, much more concise than I was able to put it, but this is exactly what I was trying to say.
I remember 8 years ago you got all digital consoles 2024 still making physical copies but just a license on a disk no data so as you say it is being killed as they want people to more more to buy it digital so they make disks empty so people feel ripped of so they then download from store
Physical > digital
That use to be clear cut. Now it's iffy. You can't say it's for preservation cause so many patches come after a physical release. You need the internet to have them for a stable release.
I will say that it can be cheaper in the long run
Same in music! CD/Vinyl >>> Streaming.
Well you are right as a physical disk nowadays just acts as a online code to install data is downloaded via internet not from disk
When physical games go away from console, I won't have a reason to own them anymore. I will stick to PC.
I think that’s what everyone is saying. If physicals games no longer exist, everybody will just move over to Pc. It’s crazy because the consoles are doing it to themselves! Xbox had a plan for PC players whereas Ps doesn’t do I’m not sure why they did this lol. Selling a disc extension for £100+ is really cheeky in my opinion lol
@@AVVGaming1 I don't think everyone would just move over to PC as it has a clearly more limited target market.
get with the times
@@am_pm.17 yes I’m not sure. I think the majority of people in the comments have said they would move to PC if physical games were removed. Whether that’s the right move or indeed what would happen I don’t know. I’ve always loved console gaming, I just hope they always have the option for physical games.
The disadvantages of digital like storage space and restrictions to reselling and refunding are so obvious and overshadows the positives like not having to worry about shelf space.
Heck, I myself loved digital until I realized how annoying it was to have barely any space on my consoles and that I couldn’t get my money back.
How is digital winning when the negatives are so obvious and deal-breaking?
I will never go all digital for a console. I don't like it for pc, but have adapted, but so far my old games have not required specific hardware to play them. Console games will lose a lot of business going digital only.
Totally agree! I think if Xbox and ps announced the next consoles were digital only, most people would take the money they’d spend on them and invest in a gaming PC anyway. It’s crazy these companies don’t think about that. I think Microsoft is thinking about that though because they have been getting game pass on Pc. They must know something is coming.
That's one of the reasons alan wake 2 failed, it didn't have a physical version
The main issue is I don't want to spend $70+ on a game that I don't own. That amount, right now anyway, usually gets me a disc, case, some nice artwork, and maybe a little goodie inside like a keychain/art cards. Digital offers nothing but air. So far this year I have pre-ordered three physical games, wish I could afford more to support physical game releases! So many people tell me "it takes up to much space!" and I'm like "but you have no control over what you buy". What if you hit a rough patch and need some extra money? A digital game isn't exactly going to help you but having a physical game to sell online will. Add to the fact if you don't like a digital game you can't return it and get your money back, you are stuck with it forevermore! 🤧
You don't own most of the physical games these days either. Still gotta download the bulk of, if not the entire game even with a disc. If there is a version of the game on the disc, it's the busted, borderline unplayable version with no day one patch. So without the internet and access to these digital storefronts, the disc is useless anyway.
"You will own nothing and be happy" Klaus Schwab
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@@ExploderMaster18 Yes I know, my phone glitched out when I sent it 🤣
I currently own a variety of older video games consoles for this reason as well as they are dirt cheap. I picked up gears of war 1,2,3 all for $0.99 cents per game on a black Friday at a retro video game store. Which is insane value when you consider the hours I could spend playing them. I recently got a ps5 so I haven't touched my 360 in a minute but I love that I have a back log of tons of games to play and I don't even really need to buy new video games for quite some time.
Exactly! I think every game has a huge backlog though. I picked up 3 physical games for the switch about a year ago and each one has like 100+ hours of content and I got them for such a steal. My wife also has a switch so she can play them when she wants too. That’s why I prefer physical
I own both physical and digital on both Series X and PS5.
A worry I have is that digital content can be altered or removed at any time. (Look at the recent concord debacle which may have upset the 2 people that bought it 😅)
Sony removed some shows that customers had paid for due to licensing.
Another thing that worries me is does buying a physical copy really change the situation? Seems a lot of discs I've installed don't seem to be the full game.
15gb from the disc the rest downloads online, plus any updates and patches and DLC also is online.
(Don't get me started on how over reliant developers have become on patches.)
I see the pros in digital content, many people lack space to store all the physical copies.
You can play any game without getting a disc out or watch movies without switching a disc.
You can have a new game/movie in an instant through the digital store.
However there are a lot of cons.
Game stores seem to be dying.
Where I live there is literally one place when there used to be 4.
Trade in and swapping is pretty much dead.
Lending someone a game won't be possible anymore.
Sale prices don't generally seem as good.
We don't seem to really own said content. Which seems the worst part.
Yes physical is obsolete. Old heads you can retire or continue buying digital. The debate of physical vs digital is inconsequential/irrelevant for younger generations. They will adapt to digital.
Digital games will most likely never be cheaper than physical copies and they won’t be cheaper when physical is no more. But I will stop buying so there is that.
Yeah it’d change how we approach gaming overall. I like the option and think it should always be there. If you exclude it, then a lot of people will just switch to Pc I reckon
Let’s face it the majority of new gen gamers are lazy as hell and would rather download games rather than physically go somewhere to buy a game or wait and get it delivered from amazon…for me unless its free i never do downloadable games…i will buy physical games until i cant play anymore…
When these companies get rid of physical game discs entirely, it will just open a market for new developers/companies for gamers who strictly want physical media games and provides an avenue for more creative and enjoyable gaming titles to be born for us dedicated console gamers. Essentially becoming a win-win for indie developers and studios. If there is a will, there is a way to overcome this problem.
That depends on whether Sony/Microsoft will allow games to be loaded via disc in the first place. Even if they allow you to connect an external drive they may not allow you to load games from it. Especially if you need an internet connection which may be used to block any game loaded from a disk.
@@gipgap4 Not if it is built on a new console system entirely and does not rely on Microsoft/Sony servers.
And just so you know I’m not against your content, I like your content and I’m a 80% physical gamer. I buy mostly digital games when they are in deep sale😊
Thank you! I’ve seen your other comments too and will reply here, but I really appreciate the feedback. If I’m wrong about the life is strange being digital only, that’s my fault for not checking it enough. As for the series s part I did try to explain it would probably be tied to finances and those reports are from 2022, which could be totally different now. Either way, thank you for the kind words and all the comments with feedback. As I’m new I’m learning with each video and feedback like this will help me get better. As the channel grows, things I could get wrong before will no longer pass, so I have to make sure to be more thorough. Thanks again for taking the time to write the comments, provide the feedback and leave a positive message as well. It really means a lot.
@@AVVGaming1 I believe people only comment constructively when they care. Your videos are important. You talk about serious stuff and there’s not many channels like yours.
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As an ex game collector myself, i have come to the conclusion that all games have a shelf life, how long that is, depends on person, whilst its a trophy to have your games, i feel the entertainment value will eventually vanish until something else replaces it somehow, im not a believer of nostalgia, sega rally is still a fun game and all you want to do is be closer to the best experience, so you can either have the game or the arcade itself, and its always just a case of scratching an itch until the itch changes form.
I have been a fan of armored core since 97, armored core 6 actually released, its excessively rare i want to go back to AC1 even though i own it, I want to go back to 3 or last raven till this day, and yes i own the series so i can, AC6 is 10/10 as a fan of the series, but i still wont get the old stuff back until a remake (likely never) or a slight bit of hope of AC7 being more of the same with x10 the content and dynamics like old-gen, as when you go back thats what the old games feel like, its like getting the right portion size for dinner.
We are in such a strange place in gaming.
A lot of discs nowadays dont even contain the game you buy. it still just goes to the store to download it. The real question is how you get the data. If i buy a digital but drm free version of skyrim on GOG, i own it much more concretely than a disc version on the PS5 that still requires a bunch of downloads from the PS store (not sure exactly what the drm for skyrim specifically is on PS, but you get my point). Regardless of the fact that the GOG version is digital, i can save or copy the installer to whatever storage form i feel is best and never have to rely on the digital storefront again, even if the game were to lose a license or get delisted.
I bought calisto protocol for ps4 rihht and this game could not run. It was a mess. Couldn’t handle it, shaky, lagged, literally unplayable. Patch required day 1, 30GB. Saved the game. But if I didn’t have the internet and update the game would be unplayable. It has unfortunately become a necessity but it’s poor from game developers to release these games so unfinished in the first place! Great point though! Thanks for commenting!
It depends on the game. There are many games that are fully on the disc. Large triple A games usually have/need patches but some is the devs fault. I watch a channel called N Game Arts for quality games that are fully on the disc.
When i can not collect proper physical game copies with a playable build anymore, I'll just re-switch to PC again. There i can at least download a crack for most games that i care about to "own" them. I already get games on PC that are either online only or have an incomplete build on disc, even though they are not a lot.
FUTURE> Buying Digital Games = Not Owning the game.
The only way to get Forza MotorSport 5/6/7 is buying a physical copy.
Totally agree with you! Steam have just had to admit that you don’t own your games when you buy through them!
We always need a physical option, we need to preserve these games, and all digital will make it worse, corporations has already shutdown digital storefronts, and is a bad sign for preservation!
We have statistics which clearly show people still want physical media. So companies that want to eliminate it entirely should be told "No" by the law. They cannot be allowed to have 100% control of our video games. Their job is to provide all the options possible. And that has always included physical media.
I think it all comes down to consumer reaction. If people get upset, or even worse, don’t buy the new consoles, they’ll reevaluate and include physical. But if only 10% complain and the rest go for it, they’ll stick with it. If they want to control the market and be fully in control of all sales and price, they will want it digital
The price of second hand physical games is really a rip off. In my country, they are selling it for almost the same price it was sold for 10-15 yrs ago. I need to have physical games, if its not available on pc, im buying it for ps1-4. With a full time job, side business, and financial responsability, i still cant afford this hobby, between pc parts, consoles, games, it quite sucks, and its forcing me to go full digital, moreso because indies pump out bangers, and they dont do physical releases, but thsy do have drm-free downloads
That’s absolutely fair! Which country are you living in? I think that’s tough because usually you can get a better deal on physical games but if they aren’t lowering the price and it’s higher than the digital, you have to buy what’s affordable. If you’re working full time etc you gotta put your own finances first!
In my country I get excellent deals for second-hand physical games, I recently bought god of war ragnarok for only 25$ and it costs 70$ on the store, after I finished it I traded it for spider man 2
I prefer physical, though there are times I buy digital. Mostly because it might be digital only. I do buy DLC digital, mostly because they are on the shop/store. You don't like go to a gaming store and buy a copy with a DLC code or something. Or maybe it has happened in some scenarios. So yeah, I'm scared if video games get digital only, due to the fact that companies could remove the game out of nowhere. Especially if it happens with games you've bought.
Yes and I’ve seen it happen a few times. For me, I ended up with a series s Xbox for financial reasons. But just recently I got a ps5 for a great deal and it felt so good to get physicals games again. It just means more to me when it’s physical. And the fact I actually have a tangible product I can keep or sell in the future it means a lot! I hope physical games don’t die off
It’s “common knowledge that the series S became most people’s 2nd or 3rd console only due to the price and for gamepass but the same dynamic didn’t happen with the PS5 digital
I bought GTA for Xbox One for $30 at Walmart and it was online for $50.
It's a console issue. On PC game is like $10-20 new. Plus they do not remove games just cause they lost the License you just can't buy it anymore.
Hitman Blood Money from 2006. Online it is £60. On eBay you can get a physical copy for 0.99p.
Physical games contain the 1.0 version no matter what, no ifs ands or buts about it YOU OWN IT!
Yes! No matter what! And that’s very important
Push for DRM-FREE digital.
consumers will get to *own* their software. GOG is a perfect example where consumers get a backable offline installer.
Yeah as long as it's DRM free I don't think there is much of an issue with digital only. If the market is heading that way because people are buying less and less physical games, it's fair enough.
Download takes so much time. Other than that. I love digital gaming. Because u won't have to maintain the physical copy or protect it. It's safe and secure online. No🗿 it's fine as long as i get to play the game.
Torrents are the future. The companies crossed all the red lines. Now there's no way back. They don't even have whisper of idea to serve customers.
I used to buy physical games until the pandemic, and then we all went into quarantine. So I started buying digital, and I haven't stopped ever since and to me. It just felt more convenient because switching between games was easier.
Also, some of the cons of having physical games mean that there's a chance that the disk could either get lost or break or get scratched or even perhaps disk rot.
I think games should go all digital because I want companies to be able to fuck over my purchases and your purchases and everyone's purchases and you're going to like it 🤓
Haha that’s very evil!
There are communists in this comments section who actually want that 💀
Sorry but it's the capitalists that want to fuck your wallet over.
In the UK, we have a shop called CEX. They sell used games and DvDs. The good news is, they are absolutely bouncing most days. Especially on the weekend. I went to the one in Cardiff as I wanted a physical Breath of the Wild, I actually was in a queue and had to wait for like 20 minutes as there were a few people looking to sell some second hand media in front of me.
I’m in the UK! Thanks for sharing this! I reckon I’ll go and find one of those shops near me and check it out! I love getting physical games and I won’t stop buying them!
I buy physical whenever I can. They wanted to die, but us legacy gamers no better.
A big issue is that you technically do have physical media when downloaded via data on your hard drive. The issue comes from overhead from developers making digital storefronts the only way to buy the games. They do that to avoid piracy because you could just download the games for free way too easily in that case, if you legally had ownership of anything that you had on your hard drive that you have a receipt for or proof of purchase, it should never be able to be blocked or removed for you.
This is so sad... They're stilling everything from us. That's the main reason why I only buy old consoles, everything digital is like not owning nothing 😢 no collectables, no game artwork, no memories...
I know! I miss that so much! Having the maps in the case, the booklets etc. it’s crazy cuz they used to give us a physical game, with a map and a booklet for $40. Now they’ve managed to charge $70 for no map, booklet or even a bloody disc lol
Making any kind of comment is now impossible because you said literally everything I was going to. 😅 So spot on.
I still buy physical copies of the games I REALLY care about. But lately I have gotten lazy and bought more digital copies. Even of my favorite series. It sure is convenient to the point they are no longer available. But there's very little we can do about it. The future will be digital and collecting games will become impossible. No more manuals, maps or art books. Nothing. Just ones and zeros. Of course this has been the case for PC gaming for a long time now. But you'd trust platforms like Steam to have the games forever. But they won't be there forever either. It's a sad world we are living in. Greed rules over everything.
Really good video. Amazing job. Covered pretty much every point I wanted to make.
Thank you very much! If it happens we, the consumers, are screwed really. We have no control over it. When you end up in a situation where a product has no competition, prices can go as high as they like. And as these companies have shown in the past, they will definitely exploit that opportunity
Love physical media! I have a list of games I want to get! I'm collecting all of my PS3 an 360 games now! Also getting the last few games for my PS4 an PS5! 🎮🤙👌
Man I bet you’ve got a heck of a collection! Which are your most valuable/means the most to you games you have? The ones you cherish?
This generation I bought the PS5 digital.
Let's have a discussion on why the digital to me is more advantageous over the PS5 with the disc drive.
@@nowayjose1313 go!
@@AVVGaming1 The digital version is cheaper.
Since the PS4 Pro has only sold about 15 million units, it is understandable that consumers are not overly concerned about the PS5 Pro. The majority of PS5 owners would likely purchase the PS5 and then sell their games after they were through.
Yes, you’re probably right with that assessment. It was a high price point for something that doesn’t have a disc reader too. I’m not sure it will sell so good.
The disc drive is required for me to purchase a console. If it doesn’t have that, I won’t purchase it
Both options have their advantages.
Digital copy - download in a matter of minutes and play. You can share it with friends.
Physical copy - you own a physical product that’s yours. You can collect a library. And most importantly resell it.
So provide us with two options and we’ll choose what to buy. For instance, I voted for Physical discs 2 years ago, when purchased PS5 with Blue-Ray drive. If Sony and Xbox release digital consoles only, then stop buying it, and sooner or later we’ll see a new Super-Puper PS6 with Blue-ray drive Come Back to classics version. I mean it)
It is stupid to get rid a physical games. Gaming systems are targeting the rich. Not everyone has unlimited data. An some of those games use a lot of data
To play and download. They real cutting off a source of revenue. An I not pay for games to just rent it. Waste of my money.
I live in the midwest and there is no internet service where I live that has unlimited data. If everything was streaming idk if I would even have enough internet to be able to play video games.
It’s far from “inevitable” that we end up with all digital. That’s very deterministic- companies want all digital to maximise profits - that’s it. I personally would not purchase an all digital console for the reasons outlined in video. I don’t see any upsides to digital other than don’t have to get up to change disk but this limitation is only there as consoles force you to swap disks they could let you install full game and validate ownership once a week or something
I am similar where I currently buy games where they are the cheapest. I have rdr2 digitally, but I have some games on discs, like black ops 1 and 2. I also wanted to say I discovered your channel yesterday and I have watched a bunch of your videos already. I want to say that your content is great, and keep up the hard work as you are bringing up conversations and ideas most wouldn't think of covering. Also I want to end with a question: Will downloading your games on a hard drive or sd card serve the same purpose of physically owning the game? Like if your friend downloaded the telltale game of thrones on a hard drive and tried to play it again, would the same have happened? I am asking because I don't have a pc I have a mac, where I play on a ps2 emulator with the classic games.
Well thank you very much for the kind words! Really glad you’re enjoying the videos! So, what they did is they downloaded the game and then uninstalled it. So if they had kept it downloaded on an SD card or hard drive, they would have been able to play it. The fact is they deleted it under the assumption it would still be there but by saving them elsewhere you do always have a backup and protect it. It’s often a case of deleting stuff to free up space and when you remove it completely you take that risk. If you saved them you’re safe! Thanks so much again for the really nice words!
While I will always prefer physical over digital (and will pay full price for physical), I will only buy digital when it is on sale and dirt cheap (under $20), as my view is if software companies only want me to 'rent' their games, then they are only worth a rental price. I refuse to pay full price for any digital game, and there is plenty to play that I can wait until they are on sale
A console without a disk drive is a MAJOR deal breaker for me!
Me too now! Got the series s to get by (bad time financially) but now I’ve got a ps5 with disc reader and I ain’t going back. It’s so much better! I got ff16 which was £60 online for just £12 made up!
Physical and digital should both always be options. The pros and cons for both are just so vast, it would just save everyone the trouble if both were always an option when it comes to home console gaming
Its funny that people are willingly opting for all digital just for convenience, over better and cheaper prices in the long run for most physical games.
Theres a reason companies like limited run are very popular and keep growing.
For all the games i really want to own forever i buy physical games. If its something i feel like im taking a stab in the dark with i buy digitally when its on sale.
It's not surprising when you look at how entertainment media has been consumed and evolved.
Companies make the medium and leave it to the consumer to choose or reject.
Digital media is being chosen by the vast majority of consumers and the money listens.
If consumers wanted physical media to survive. they'd have bought at levels to justify keeping it. They haven't. That is fact and companies see that.
Unfortunately that is the truth! Some people will be upset but a lot of people just want convenience. They don’t care or think ahead of how the market will be controlled, or how they won’t end up on owning everything, or how they are giving power to the companies to increase prices. They just think of now. They wan the game right now and don’t want to have to wait for it to arrive or drive out and get it. One day, it’ll be realised but I fear it’ll be too late by then!
I'm not that worried about game companies going digital. If they do, there is a demand that isn't met anymore and if someone then provide physical games, that's where I'll go along with many others. Yes, most people obviously opt for convenience when it comes to media, but there will always be a market for enthusiasts like myself. Music artists even release music on vinyl.
I may not be able to get every new game released on that future physical games platform but so what... I'll just keep one of the current digital consoles and buy digital games when they're about 90% off, just like I do today.
I too have a library of digital game licenses, but the price I'm willing to pay for each one is lowering for every passing day in the current market.
My main reasons for staying physical are
1. Collecting purposes. I was born in the 80s. I like to hold a game, look at the box art and carefully sift through the manual. The way it used to be. A lot of nostalgia tied to this of course.
2. Resell value. If something unfortunate happens and I'm in dire need of money.... then a Nintendo Switch with 70 physical games is worth a little bit more than a Switch with no games....
I buy used and sell used, so I hardly lose anything at all when selling.
3. Some kind of legacy for my kids. When I pass away, what's my account with 1000 digital games worth...? If I have a collection of physical games I can pass them on to the next generation. If they decide they hate games, well, then there's the resell argument again.
4. Game preservation. If a licensing disagreement results in a game being taken down from the digital storefront, the physical copy stays on my shelf. Also, some games change dramatically via updates, and not always for the better. Take the game Generation Zero for example. It started out an atmospheric, mysterious tactical shooter with immersive sim elements, but five years of updates have morphed it into a live service looter shooter. If I have the physical disc, I can choose to enjoy the launch version of the game. That's not an option with the digital version.
You should have made a point on environment and carbon footprint. Which is better option for environment , etc.
I went digital only after red dead2 but got back into physical media about a year ago. I love owning my games again and seeing the collection grow. Even have all my old pokemon games still, ps2, and ps3 games and some gamecube. It takes up space sure but at least you get to own them
Advantage of digital only:
Quick and instant download
(For ps+) free monthly games
Doesn't take up space in house
Disadvantage of digital only:
Requires Internet connection
Only exclusive to one account
Can get removed
Stays full price
Can't sell and trade
I think there should be balance on the disc and digital. The ps4 eara seems to have the perfect balance between the two. If there's the best game out there, they can get it immediately online if they wanted too, but if the game is bad or meh, they can simply wait at least a month and go to the nearest game store to probably get the game pre-owned for a cheaper price.
The online is like a roulette luck based game where you will have to wait till your game is on sale or free but maybe might regret to find out the game gets a cheaper deal the next time it goes on sale.
Physical media sadly doesn't always solve everything antmore, unless the game in FULL is on-the-disc w/ all DLC's, all patches, no server-dependencies, and has NO DRM period - which would make most sense on re-releases when they're actually done w/ a product.There's already games like SW Outlaws & new Avatar on consoles requiring activation, like PC retail disc games been doing for decades. There's already games on consoles w/out the full-game on disc, so you need to download the rest. So...if the activation servers go away, won't matter or you don't have the full game downloaded - well, you need to have it all backed-up on a HDD. So, on consoles: do NOT uninstall your game, if it has required-activation if it's a single-player game; same would go for PC too on sold older games w/ certain DRM styles. Some games on disc on PC use Securom, Safedisc, StarForce and other DRM-garbage - and those won't work b/c Microsoft blocked those games from working on modern Windows b/c of security concerns or those DRM's ain't had updates to work on modern OS's (Starforce, I'm looking at you). I'm better off looking online if a No-DRM PC store like GOG sells it with offline installers and no-required client-app junk for their single-player content & backing those offline-installers and/or game-folders up on CD, DVD, BR, BDXL, thumb drive, SSD, HDD, or whatever else it'll fit on.
They will be when the PS7 comes out. Because I read an article I'm not sure if it's true or not it probably is but Sony have announced the PS6 when it comes out will be the last Playstation console with a disc drive. I suppose it kind of makes sence since nearly everything is all online now but it sucks for the phycial disc collectors like myself included, also not everyone can afford digital games on the store especially since now most games cost like £50-£60 sometimes even £70 which isn't really worth it in my opinion unless you really want it and there are no other options available.
That’s super interesting and thanks for sharing! I might seek out that article and make a video on it soon! It’s sad to see but I feel it’s inevitable that one day it will soon br digital only
People had a high opinion then of digital games was before we learned that digital only means you no longer own anything and it can be taken away at anytime.
Exactly! It’s convenient but man it’s a price to pay! $60 gone. No way to get it back. For a promise it’ll be there if you need it…which it might not be. Plus digital only means more space which means additional hard drives for more money, or you delete it and try to download it later but it might be gone..
thats why im collecting physical copies now for my retirement.
remember, "you'll own nothing and be happy"
future will be a rental economy.
applications are now monthly/annual subscription.
there will be no such thing as perpetual license anymore.
games will be next.
Apple is already doing it
you can only play games if you rent digitally.
Now I want to start looking for the games I currently have in digital. Got the Series S in middle of Covid at almost twice the price about $450 but really want to get the Series X with disk drive as soon as possible which means saving up
Besides gaming going digital, it’s the same for movies, books, and music. These made great gifts for Christmas or birthdays, being digital means a gift card to get whatever and that is so impersonal in my opinion, and for me there is nothing like a good physical book to open and read same for games.
Now a days they make it such a hassle to get physical games. My homies preordered Dragon Ball Sparking Zero, like they actually went to the store pre ordered and then ut turns out there were no more copies on launch day they had more pre orders than they did copies so they all canceled their pre order and bought it digital instead. This isnt the only game its happened with either. A lot of modern releases seem to be limited print too. Since alot of people now a days have settled for digital just doe concenience. I think the ratio might be 70% digital 30% physical users. Its just that physical users are more vocal about it. Its such a shame too, alot of people, mostly the younger generation dont even care if they have a copy in their hand. So many people i know got the digital PS5 or the Xbox Series S. Stating they havent bought a physical game in years. I think physical will still continue to stay for longer than we might be thinking, but it all might be very limited prints for those that still want them. Kind of like Blu Ray/DVD. They still make em but cant tell you the last time i bought a physical movie
Saw the same thing happen with my wife just now. She got metaphor fantasio for ps5 physical. It got lost in the post and came a day late. She was desperate to download it instead but I talked her into pre ordering. It’s a shame because companies like GameStop, Argos don’t realise that their own incompetence is going to lead to their extinction!
@AVVGaming1 I wanna have more self control like that, but say for example, Final Fantasy 7 Remake Intergrade on PS5 is basically like over $80 between like $70-100 on the used market because I guess it's rare now. Or there were limited prints. And if it's used it doesn't have the DLC story which I think is another $10 or $20?? But then digitally it was on sale the other day complete for like $20. I would go out of my way too far for physical especially if the digital deal can be better. But that's how they seem to be doing physical now
We’re unfortunately in an era where old features are now a premium; the pro tells us Sony will likely release a disc less PS6 and may not care enough to provide a disc drive option.
Everything in this era is now made with the mindset of pushing subscriptions or alternatively be free but full of ads and micro transactions.
I only buy physical. I have almost 65 PlayStation 5 games so far. Recent stats show that physical is still doing well. I think more and more people are realising how bad digital is for ownership etc. You also left out the whole birthday and Christmas thing. All my friends and family grew up getting games for birthdays and Christmas. You can't wrap up digital and give it as a gift. I'm also seeing a shift in the younger generation buying cheap second hand physical games as were in tough economic times and the younger generations are looking to save money. My little brother and his mates get cheap games from CEX and cut their GamesPass subscriptions. They've gone back to DVDs as well. Another thing I noticed people are missing is midnight launches. If it went digital I'd stop buying new games and just stick with retro. I'm happy replaying my favourite games and there are tons of old games I've not played on eBay.
You’re right about the Christmas gift thing. It hits much harder rather than handing a download code lol. Completely agree with everything you’ve said. I have just got a ps5 last month. Are there any games you recommend as must haves? Right now I’ve just got FF7R, new newest ff and silent hill 2. Metaphor as well
@@AVVGaming1 Nice. My favourite games so far this generation are. Still Wakes The Deep
Chernobylite
Dead Island 2
Hitman Trilogy
Watchdogs Legion
Hell Let Loose for when I play online
Astrobot. Astrobot is my game of the year so far. I also like PSVR2 and games like Resident Evil 4, Village, the Pixel Ripped Series. Enjoy your PS5.
This is why my switch is picked up more than my steam deck - I love the physical games
I love my switch! So many good games! Xenoblade chronicles 3 is my new obsession!
@@AVVGaming1 I nearly picked that up today - I’m a bit intimidated by the size of the game though
@@thedembot honestly it’s so good! Like it’s made me fall in love with it. But here’s the thing, main story clocks in around 50 hours. That’s just doing the odd side quest but mainly sticking with the main story. If you wonder off and try to do all side quests it’ll take over 120. The side quests are really good, and you can do them anytime even after the main story, but yes I agree that if you’re a completionst and try to do it all, you’ll get burned out. I can’t wait to finish it because I need to get back to making videos lol
We don’t have to worry about Nintendo going digital anytime soon.
Physical will always be better and you actually own your games they cant do anything to get it back
you own digital games to stop lying
@@gamerbeast3616 everyone does some games are only digital especially on pc almost nobody buys cds
Only PC media I’m gonna invest into is GoG. The only one who most closely respects you. It’d be even better if on PC you could trade, lend, borrow and sell your license keys once you’re done with them.
Essentially a 3rd party license trading system that gives you your property rights back. Either that or give us back offline working physical media for PC games using keys. We will get it back regardless if the internet is taken down by the Russians.
For consoles I only support physical media for the Nintendo Switch and some ps5 games that are content complete (very rare now on PlayStation; Nintendo is usually better for this). If they go full digital, I’m done with consoles completely. They will lose all value to me.
With the world collectively moving towards minimalism and making the maximum out of progressively limited space, it was only a matter of time. This pet theory isn't probably as far-fetched as it sounds!
Convenience as well. That’s what gets us in the end! Convenience of fast food got us good. Convenience catches us and it will probably get us here too lol. Ps5 pro is certainly a move in that direction and Xbox been pushing hard to get game pass on pc so they know something is coming
The problem right now is that storage is still required to play top tier games. Doesn't matter if it's a Blu-ray disc or the more expensive internal drive. Streaming the top games would take tremendous bandwidth that's just not there. For me , if I can't get a physical copy, I'm not buying. Leaves too much power in the hand of the owner of the servers. One minute you own a game, the next minute you don't. It's all up to those that control the storage. I see it as no different than government trying to force you to public transportation. When did we start accepting that others should have control of the products we purchased?
@@jefferytillis8309 you're absolutely right but as AVV said we are nearing the end of life on physical copies for all the reasons he mentioned in cost cutting and convenience. If the companies do end up keeping physical copies for people like you who refuse to digitise entirely, then it will be those overpriced collector's edition discs which will make you pay a premium for the same game and basically include a markup on the price for printing and shipping :P
@@debopamroy56Even those aren't safe. Some collector editions now come with an empty steelbook and a download code instead of a disc. It's completely idiotic.
@@candybracelets I'm sorry but this sounds hilarious ahahaha. Dire times indeed xD
The moment all games are digital is the moment you see me with a peg leg and an eyepatch.
You don’t own digital games, and digital games are straight up more expensive. There are digital store sales, but there are no discount bins.
I’ve straight up refused to buy games that released only as digital. If they want my money, they have to give me a product to own.
So one problem creates another? See this is why we’ll continue to have problems find a solution
Another pro for physical games is those of us with bad internet speeds. I bought gran turismo 7 on disk. It was about 90GB and I had it installed and ready to play in an hour. Horizon Call of the Mountain on the other hand I received digitally with my psvr2. It was about 40GB. Took about a week to download. And if I run out of storage space and delete it and decide I want to play it later. I'm gonna have to do it all over again.
digital games are not cheaper,in fact they're the opposite,you get less for more money.
also always online and censorship are bad,there are no positives for digital over physical
Convenience is the only thing I can think of. I’m a fan of the physical games myself. They are definitely not cheaper. The prices don’t move online
You can attach a disc drive to the PS5 Pro (same drive as the digital PS5 Slim). That's what I'll be doing.
PS6 will be a coin flip between having an attachable disc drive (sold separately) and not having that option at all. Given the popularity of the PS5 disc drive, I'm betting on the former. PS7 will be digital only, no question.
Xbox Series X will be Microsoft's last power console. Game Pass is now their entire business model, so they'll make a digital only Game Pass box like Series S (small, less expensive, and less powerful fhan PS6). They'll probably make a Game Pass portable as well. MS is done with physical.
Yah totally agree. Microsoft actually represent, in my opinion, the bad side. They want to buy up the market, so that studios only make games for Xbox, thus starving ps and other consoles. Then, switch it all to subscription model, then they control the price and can up it without any issues. I’m going to do a video on it soon. People may hate it, there’s a lot of Xbox fan boys, but I need to say it
The only reason digital games don’t get price drops is because Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft don’t want to completely alienate the box stores since they still rely on the for sales. Once box store no longer sale games you’ll see price drops on digital games
15:20 i think you mispoke, there's literally 0 positives to digital only, having the option of physical media doesn't stop you from buying digital, so it's just something we lose for nothing in return
Yeah I was scraping the barrel really. Just that it’s convenient I guess? Saves you driving out to get the game? lol idk I don’t like digital games so it was hard to balance this one out lol
I don't have a physical game for a few years already.
I miss the magic of opening the box and reading the manuals before start the game.
Isn't the Series S a weaker console compared to Series X?
It is! Did I say something contrary to that? Someone else said that so not sure if I mis worded it or something
@@AVVGaming1 you didn't misword it, you didn't even word it. For the uninformed, it might sound like they were the same console under the hood
So many dumbos dont know the games are still fully on Disc and it just goes from the disc to the SSD, you can do it offline.
Love how people are so stupid, enjoy your digital games, ill be buying physical for cheap while owning them.
I love having the actual games and just as an example the other day I bought silent hill 2 for £55. On the ps store it’s listed at £69. So I have already saved money by just buying a new game physically. And I heard that steam just came out and essentially confessed that their players don’t actually own their own games.
@@AVVGaming1 i bought silent hill 2 remake and sparking zero for 42€ each before being released. Ps Store has them for 80€.
Yup.
@@AVVGaming1 Steam store changes are making the rounds too. I think people will soon realize their mistakes. Collect cheap while you can.
I was all for digital before PS 5 came out.
3 years ago this December I purchased around 250.00 of digital assests for my PS 4 like 10 new games.
Last year I discovered that my library had been deleted. Thus I'll never purchase a digital download on Playstation network.
I use steam for digital games for pc over 10 years now. Haven't lost games that I'm aware of being I have a library of several 100 games now.
The just released terms of agreement changes concern me. If it's used to just randomly take away games from my library it means I know longer can expect my purchases to be played forever going forward as long as is relevant I'm losing my rights as a consumer. Thus as always I will use my dollars to speak to those I consume from. I will transition back to physical copies only. Won't guarantee access to the internet, updates, hardware changes, etc however I will still own my copy and ability to play it as long as it will boot up and do so.
More and more the choices we as the masses have are being attacked by those wanting more control over us than ever. Such is the work for pay to afford our debt we can't seem to avoid trap
Thanks for sharing your experience! I think if you hold a game in your hands, you have it. If it’s online it’s sort of like a promise note. It’s there we promise! Just let us know when you want to play it! And it’s a big issue, at least in my opinion. We have to always have the backup option. If it goes away then they have full control of the market and those prices we been paying will change for sure!
the feeling of being able to pop in a disk with no internet connection and then play a complete game prepatch is spectacular
It really is! No updates, no constant asking to re connect to their server etc. just a good game ready to go!
No physical = less sales
Lots of player are only paying games so they can sell it again in less than a week, if they can't sell it they will save thier money until a 40% to 70% discount Like what happens in steam
Yes and it allows people to task more risks! Like if I buy a game with mixed reviews, I can re sell it if it’s physical. If it’s online digital, I might not buy it at all due to that fear!
I don't believe you can replace the feeling physical games give you. Like your clips of skyrim instantly took me back to buying oblivion the instruction manual, the paper map, and just knowing I have hundreds, if not a thousand hours ahead of me.
Had an ISP outage for 8 hours. Couldn’t play my digital games. That was my wake up call to go back to physical
I don’t think the price will go down just cause they save on shipping physical media